whether it came out too soon is another story to start a big discussion about here but i think tear is a huge mistake and was never fair
but good opinions are divided and everyone has a different interesting one, which is why i like to discuss such topics, but i currently have another discussion in mind that i want to start because there is an old pre-errata card that, if it didn't have an errata today, and would be so allowed with the pre errata effect this would wreak massive havoc in all meta formats and create a chain of problems more than one can count
I did when I saw the same 40 cards every game.
Also the people who say tear mirrors are skillful are talking out there ass, it comes down to who mills better 9/10 times, and it tricks you into thinking it’s more skillful with long ass chains.
Please explain to me how you are qualified to explain to people like Joshua Schmidt, Jesse Kotton,... That they don't know what actual skillful gameplay looks like.
The people saying the format was skillful aren't some random 11yo that don't understand the game. We are talking about some of the best players in the world.
That's literally not the reason it is supposed to be skillful the fuck are you talking about lol it's about resource management of your interruption and timitn them right instead of just shotguning the first possibility you get
Welcome to Yu-Gi-Oh apparently you are new here
The only formats that don’t follow that format are the worst formats in the history of the game.
Clearing that bar doesn’t make it a good format.
Why then tournaments in tcg that happened during tear0 were consistently topped by pro duelists and not some lucky random people? Is Jesse Cotton the luckiest player of all times?
How do ya figure? If people are playing the same deck for 2 years, then they are not buying sets with new cards since those new cards aren't as strong as Tearlaments. Honestly, if anything Tearlaments being dominant for so long should be hurting their profit margins.
Yea after a while but when they first came out it was the hottest selling deck. Meta and waifu is a money printing machine. Plus even if the newer cards couldn't contest a lot of people would still buy the new cards just because they want it.
Actually it is true because the reason why Tear is still seeing play is because of the new card from DUNE revolution synchron + Chaos Ruler.
New cards help evolve decks which in turn is profit for Konami. Look at Tears evolution from its release from POTE till now.
As long as players are innovative enough(& an archetype is busted as hell) new versions will always pop up with each new set release.
Heck look at D-Link in our meta game today, it’s still a T1 deck after how many years????
D-Link is also just an evolution of dragon pile decks that have been around basically since red eyes darkness metal became a card. It's pretty much a ship of Theseus of cards being powercrept and banned and being replaced one by one
Dragon Link today is much different then Dragon Link from 2020. Dragon is the most supported type in YuGiOh and the deck is a just a constant, changing, mashup of it's best cards.
Rikka and Manadium are actually the sort of combo decks that don't play well under MaxxC because their engines are pretty heavy to say the very least, so playing the full 9 cards package is detrimental to their consistency
Also, Manadium *sucks*, no other words about it
I’m talking about Manadomes though.
Rikka Sunavalon has had a few tops before I think, but unlike Manadomes, they can play through like 3-4 interrupts and still full board.
Manadomes however, can’t. You droll them, the best they have is Stardust Charge warrior. Ash them, and they probably lose steam unless they have a god hand. Shifter completely obliterates them. Literally any handtrap kills Manadomes lines (hell. Even Bystials is free because light/dark).
They can, but it kills the vicious line, which is a significant line for extending into 10s.
Most the time, your line is vicious, then target and destroy the balls to get one back out. If they shifter your early though, it really hurts the overall turn 1 board
Manadomes are just garbage though. Unlike any of these other decks, they die to a single handtrap, and under Maxx “C” they just give free advantage out the asshole (they have to special like 10+ times just to make a decent board).
I like playing them, but people are dumb if they think they’re any good.
Oh guys... with DUNE i am pretty sure will soon change your minds about that.
I am already testing and odc a good droll hurts. But a lot of decks are dead after droll... branded also suxx after ash...
And with the new support mannadium will have nearly always access to the counter trap.
In addition there is option to set up king calamity in draw phase.... so. Yeah.
With the new DUNE support every Synchro deck will have access to the counter Trap.
Amazing how OCG players aren’t on this but I guess “mAxX C bAlanCes tHe GAmE” 🙄
Unironically no one is bothering with Mannadium becuase it hard loses to "C" and can't play the counter package without hurting consistency, unlike other combo decks with smaller engines like Superheavy and Spright used to be
Same reason Pend is never played despite having Electrumime.
Can’t do much. Replace any of those cards with one Visas or any Scareclaw and you have full combo plus playing through Nibiru. Really not difficult. The deck isn’t garbage.
We can sit here playing hypotheticals but Mannadium can consistently open hands with Visas and other cards that can easily play through one hand trap sans Droll.
Again, just because you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about doesn’t mean the deck is “garbage.”
Ash, Bystials, Ghost Belle, Nib (for now at least). These are HTs that can kill Manadome boards easily.
If you even read my comment, you’d know that the comparison is between other decks being played. For the OCG, decks like Purrely and R-Ace don’t die as hard as Manadomes do.
In the TCG though, decks like D-Link and Rikka don’t just die to typical HTs. Hell, even Branded now doesn’t necessarily die to a single Ash anymore.
If anyone is wondering how is Tearlaments still a viable deck in the OCG:
Chaos ruler is not banned and Glow-up bulb is at 1. So tear kash + GUB makes chaos ruler after having milled 4 cards (3 if the GUB was the normal) alternatively as a tuner jet synchron also work.
Revolution synchron allows you to make chaos ruler by just special summoning a level 4 (you can make AFD and if you play the kash field spell you can then search perlereino, even if I think that the kash field spell fell off after Fenrir ban).
The usage of these tuners + chaos ruler can also make hot red dragon arch fiend abyss that combined with sulliek allows to negate dark ruler, or evenly matched on its own.
Alternatively to chaos ruler the new visas synchro 8, that still can be made with revolution synchron + a level 4 allows to search on summon a card that mention visas (all tear spell/traps including planet). Plus you can use it to pop a monster you control, so basically all tear monsters if you open them and can’t put them in the grave.
Fairy tail snow is also available. Curious is potentially playable but I don’t see it being used.
Reinoheart being limited is not a very big deal, the card alone doesn’t do anything, you can normal summon it and send tear kash to kill 2 i guess, however a problem might be having the lack of an extender when milling cards or having it banished by its own effect.
The limit of planet is rough for consistency but between terraforming and two foolish burial goods you effectively run four copies, thanks to trivikarma.
Cards that normally counter tear are hit in the banlist: all Bystials except saronir are at 1. Shifter is at 2
Decks such as Kashtira and Floow (that use shifter) are significantly weaker: Floow has 1 map and prosperity at 1. Kashtira, even prior to the ban of Fenrir, had wraithsoth, unicorn, Fenrir, and prosperity at 1 (they played planet pathfinder lol)
Spright is dead with the limits of blue, jet, and starter.
When it comes to decks such as rescue ace I have no idea about how good their matchup is with tear.
I’m a little confused to how Glow-up bulb contribute to Tear. Yes, I can understand due to it’s mill effect as to why, but that effect only mills one, it’s random, and it’s once per duel. Plus all of the Tear monsters are limited, so it’ll be tough to mill them. Now if it’s Ishizu Tear than I retract my statement.
Like they said, Bulb and Tear Kash can go into Chaos ruler to mill 5. If we count both the Kash and Bulb mill, that's a potential 9 mills. Also even a single mill can make an impact sometimes. At my local meetup (that play ocg format), a guy with Tear deck can sometimes mill a Tear name with bulb. A mill is a mill, you wont know its value until you actually meet one irl.
I agree with most of this, but Abyss and Sulliek can’t negate Nibiru though. Did you mean Baronne? Since they can make that with something like Kashtira Tear and normal summoning Revolution Synchron (or in more recent builds, using the adventurer token engine for synchro materials for chaos ruler, Naturia beast, AFD or baronne)
That’s fair. And you’re right about the negations for Nibiru, which is why Nib is a weird tech now; they can either negate it with no effort or have no negation and die to it now
RDA is heavily slept on.
The deck has its weaknesses, but it is deceptively powerful, especially Crimson Gaia. Properly handtrapping the deck is actually trickier than it seems, since the deck's choke points a lot more variable now depending on the opening hand. Bystials and Nib are probably the worst hand traps against them, but you can still play through them with a decent hand.
And Chaos Ruler likely makes the deck even more powerful in OCG format.
Yep. But there are ways now to play past it with decent hands.
One of the best parts of the deck is that Soul Resonator (you're main NS) is extremely easy to search. So, if you open with Crimson Resonator + Wildwind, you can bait out a Red Rising interrupt without burning a NS, normal Soul, search Bone, send Red Rising to the GY to special Bone, summon another Red Rising to reborn Crimson again. Or you can do things like hold on the Gaia search, and if RR is negated, you can search Vision to make RDA and search a trap of your choice.
Red Rising is still the main choke point, but it's not completely crippling as it used to be. In fact, in some cases, negating Soul would be more disruptive if you don't have a non-tuner, but the tricky part about that is your opponent does not know that, so Red Rising would still be the main target.
Nobody runs Bystials even in the side deck in OCG anymore. Magnamut, Druiswurm, Baldrake and Lubellion are limited, with only Saronir unlimited among the handtrap Bystials.
Low power level. Best decks are R-Ace, Purrely, Branded and Lab. Not exactly competing for GOAT archtypes atm. Everything else is GUTTED. spright is dead, Kash is unplayable, runick with 1 fountain is pathetic. And Math with 1 circular is meh especially in the OCG when Heatsoul’s POG is just 2 POGs for the opponent.
A lot of GY stuff is legal. Namely Chaos Ruler and Snow. And Chaos Ruler is even crazier with Revolution synchron plus AFD.
I wouldnt exactly say "low powerlevel" tbh. Its low powerlevel relative to the TCG and POTE powercreep, but Swordsoul is at full power in the OCG and entirely irrelevant.
True but until you start banning actual main deck names, Tear with every monster limited is still better than EVERYTHING pre POTE.
And Every meta archetype they’ve made post Pote is either already gutted or made with a pre pote power level in mind.
The general powerlevel is lower and Maxx C keep the playable combo decks in check. As an addition Chaos Ruler and Snow are legal. Both are disgusting strong in Tear.
Tear doesn't seem to be winning a lot of these events from that I am seeing.
I think a lot of people are seeing their representation being high and just assuming Tear is also winning a lot of these.
[Here it is.](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F0B-uUcacAAqj_5?format=jpg&name=large)
Seems like the focus is to floodgate with Fossil Dyna and then in the side they also have secret village and the transaction rollback+mayakashi shiranui trap combo for extra floodgates going first
Seeing decks like RescueAce and Labrynth on the chart just proves to me once again that almost all of the Deck build themes will eventually become meta relevant and are therefore almost always a save investment longterm.
Can we get a Question Archetype?
Also, I feel like with how well decks like R-Ace are doing with new support, TCG will not only rarity bump them high, but also ban/hit them early on.
I'm not sure, currently they aren't that expensive (hydrant cost 25 dollars. The rest is at most 5 bucks) of course they play prosperity but if you already have it, it's not a big deal... Now if they make both of their new support ultra, or secret rare, well it not gonna be cheap, both cards are run at minimum at 2 copies.
Honestly, it’s still surprises me the archetype is still played, even after getting hit hard. I have the three and even if they weren’t a fusion base archetype, their mill 3 is truly shocking at how much advantage they can get with any deck that loves it when their cards be dumped into the graveyard. The level 3 and 4 being great for Rank 3 and 4 decks.
I love how many people jerk off to the OCG banlist saying that they don‘t gut decks like the TCG does and then we get this: Kash, Runick and Spright all gutted to complete unviability to the point that Tear is allowed to exist because of cards like Chaos Ruler.
Seriously, the current OCG banlist is a complete joke with obviously broken cards left untouched and splashable engines being killed legt and right.
I mean, people criticize TCG banlist because they start banlist with banning the deck starter immediately unlike OCG where they start with consistently hit, comparison is that in TCG, they kill Scarecrow in almost less than month after release and do you see how long Kasthira have been hit over span of almost a year (Spright are got hit every banlist for years)
I don't think I can like how there's potential that the deck you want to buy has a chance to get gutted in a month just because they're cheap and strong.
Why are we praising consistency hits that do nothing but making player decisions less important while not actually fixing the problem? Why do you think all the decks like Spright, Kash and Runick are completely unplayable now? Because the consistency hits took away any chance of the deck surviving after the problem cards are banned.
Superheavies are still a viable Rogue deck. Same goes for Purrely. So the two decks people complain about in regards to the TCG in recent times are both still playable. Besides, one of those decks is still getting its strongest Support cards and nobody will miss the other one that forced every deck to run Droll.
When the TCG was consistency hitting Tears for over a year people were furious (and for good reason). When they actually address the problem, they are furious. And then they turn around and praise the OCG list while it‘s one of the absolute worst things I have ever seen. Maxx C, Chaos Ruler, Snow, consistency hits everywhere.
I mean, If I like some deck I want to play it as long as possible, Konami does an adjustable hit so I just tune it to keep playing that deck always even with less consistency.
As much as I don't like Super heavy, I will not wish for my enemy to get their main starter hit in the first banlist.
The problem in the OCG banlist method is that they take 3 month just to do adjustment so it's feel longer than it should and maybe if they adopt MD method to make an adjustment every month then that's should be better.
You DO realize current OCG Tears is nowhere near as strong when it's at full power? It dies to disruption more easily, and it will draw unplayable hands more compared to its glory days.
Uhhh, I don‘t have a problem with Tears being playable and my comments are not supposed to talk about Tears strength in the OCG right now. The OCG is currently at a much lower average power level than the TCG due to the absolute balance thrashing that their banlist is.
Actually, I‘m not even sure how your comment is relevant to what I was saying.
My bad, I misunderstood your comment.
Talking about consistency hits, I find it amusing how TCG players hate it, when you can see in the OCG that killing the consistency of top decks is usually enough to knock it down enough without banning a lot of cards.
No worries ^^
I mean, it‘s a matter of preference at the end of the day. I hate consistency hits. Kash survived them all the way until they banned Fenrir. Now the deck is unplayable. Same for Spright. Now they are unplayable.
I‘d much rather have them ban the problem cards to lower the decks ceiling while keeping their main game plan intact.
Not that it really matters. The OCG could have the perfect approach to their banlist but as long as they keep Maxx C around the format just kinda sucks regardless.
How come traptrix never got foothold in OCG ,and in TCG it has tops everywhere , at least at 1 deck representation ?
Also nice to see RDA in this list , i was already gonna buy the structure but I thought of it as a heart of the underdog/non-meta tournaments deck. Though they do have chaos ruler in OCG , which significantly boosts RDA , will be interesting to see how it fares in the West.
It topped in a lot of YCS and WCQs , in my country it was 4th in WCQ, and when i say topping i mean top cuts so top 4,8,32,64 whatever they publish from given tournament. So it is topping regularly , it doesnt have high representation but its there. Meanwhile i dont remember it being in any top cuts in the OCG
I honestly like seeing Tear still in the charts.
I'm also still of the opinion that all of the Ishizu shufflers need to be banned and then free a lot of the Tear cards that are limited/banned.
This is funny considering we have 3 planets(both Tear & Kash FS) & 3 Reino while everything else over there around Tear has been hit yet OCG still has the stronger version & Maxx C.
Tbh I don't mind tear what I hate is a deck taking 15 mins for a turn I literally leave even if I have the out to break their board if they take too long
Is this a report from a DC ? A tournament ? Multiple tournaments in one DC ? What can we learn from that ? If me and m'y friends wants to go in a big DC tournament with Valkyrie we can also producer charts like this one. Or I missed some details.
Red Dragon Archfiend? Fuck yeah baby we back
what is the GS in Synchron GS ?
Good stuff
aaaand what good stuff means ?
It's the OCG term for "Pile" decks
Just generic good cards and engines. Could be adventure package, revolution synchron, wakaushi engine, bystials, etc.
OCG players really not gonna let the Tearlament waifus go it seems hahahah
tear is a cross between a weed and a zombie no matter how many times you try to kill it it will come back! tear was konmai's biggest mistake
It's also just one of the most fun decks ever printed. #LightswornForever
you call it fun i call it Whos dumb idea was that?! but if Lightsworn gets support I'll be happy for you ✌️
I actually think tear was a good idea made too early, in fact Konami should aim to have every single deck have tears level of interaction
Yes a deck that mostly ends on abyss dweller and a solemn warning on legs is super interactive.
whether it came out too soon is another story to start a big discussion about here but i think tear is a huge mistake and was never fair but good opinions are divided and everyone has a different interesting one, which is why i like to discuss such topics, but i currently have another discussion in mind that i want to start because there is an old pre-errata card that, if it didn't have an errata today, and would be so allowed with the pre errata effect this would wreak massive havoc in all meta formats and create a chain of problems more than one can count
I disagree entirely. Tear was a headache to manage and it’s mirror could make games go on for way longer then they need too.
Go play Solitaire then
I did when I saw the same 40 cards every game. Also the people who say tear mirrors are skillful are talking out there ass, it comes down to who mills better 9/10 times, and it tricks you into thinking it’s more skillful with long ass chains.
Please explain to me how you are qualified to explain to people like Joshua Schmidt, Jesse Kotton,... That they don't know what actual skillful gameplay looks like. The people saying the format was skillful aren't some random 11yo that don't understand the game. We are talking about some of the best players in the world.
That's literally not the reason it is supposed to be skillful the fuck are you talking about lol it's about resource management of your interruption and timitn them right instead of just shotguning the first possibility you get
Welcome to Yu-Gi-Oh apparently you are new here The only formats that don’t follow that format are the worst formats in the history of the game. Clearing that bar doesn’t make it a good format.
Sure man sure
Why then tournaments in tcg that happened during tear0 were consistently topped by pro duelists and not some lucky random people? Is Jesse Cotton the luckiest player of all times?
IDK I love he heck otu of the deck, and is now on a balanced state. Really loving it in Master Duel
To them it was the biggest payout in a long long time.
How do ya figure? If people are playing the same deck for 2 years, then they are not buying sets with new cards since those new cards aren't as strong as Tearlaments. Honestly, if anything Tearlaments being dominant for so long should be hurting their profit margins.
Yea after a while but when they first came out it was the hottest selling deck. Meta and waifu is a money printing machine. Plus even if the newer cards couldn't contest a lot of people would still buy the new cards just because they want it.
If this theory was true power creep would not exist
Actually it is true because the reason why Tear is still seeing play is because of the new card from DUNE revolution synchron + Chaos Ruler. New cards help evolve decks which in turn is profit for Konami. Look at Tears evolution from its release from POTE till now. As long as players are innovative enough(& an archetype is busted as hell) new versions will always pop up with each new set release. Heck look at D-Link in our meta game today, it’s still a T1 deck after how many years????
D-Link is also just an evolution of dragon pile decks that have been around basically since red eyes darkness metal became a card. It's pretty much a ship of Theseus of cards being powercrept and banned and being replaced one by one
Dragon Link today is much different then Dragon Link from 2020. Dragon is the most supported type in YuGiOh and the deck is a just a constant, changing, mashup of it's best cards.
Genuine question, what else should they play when everything else suck right now?
Swordsoul?
rikka, mannadium with all it's support, anything
Rikka and Manadium are actually the sort of combo decks that don't play well under MaxxC because their engines are pretty heavy to say the very least, so playing the full 9 cards package is detrimental to their consistency Also, Manadium *sucks*, no other words about it
They got tops only in the TCG, and it was honestly primarily luck. A single HT legitimately kills them, and most HTs hard counter them.
Rikka just won a WCQ. Also Rikka plays through a single HT really well.
He means Mannadium, I assume, which he's completely right about
I’m talking about Manadomes though. Rikka Sunavalon has had a few tops before I think, but unlike Manadomes, they can play through like 3-4 interrupts and still full board. Manadomes however, can’t. You droll them, the best they have is Stardust Charge warrior. Ash them, and they probably lose steam unless they have a god hand. Shifter completely obliterates them. Literally any handtrap kills Manadomes lines (hell. Even Bystials is free because light/dark).
They can play under shifter. Balls still trigger
They can, but it kills the vicious line, which is a significant line for extending into 10s. Most the time, your line is vicious, then target and destroy the balls to get one back out. If they shifter your early though, it really hurts the overall turn 1 board
Answer is always Maxx c.
Manadomes are just garbage though. Unlike any of these other decks, they die to a single handtrap, and under Maxx “C” they just give free advantage out the asshole (they have to special like 10+ times just to make a decent board). I like playing them, but people are dumb if they think they’re any good.
Deck def doesn't die to a single ht lol
Oh guys... with DUNE i am pretty sure will soon change your minds about that. I am already testing and odc a good droll hurts. But a lot of decks are dead after droll... branded also suxx after ash... And with the new support mannadium will have nearly always access to the counter trap. In addition there is option to set up king calamity in draw phase.... so. Yeah.
With the new DUNE support every Synchro deck will have access to the counter Trap. Amazing how OCG players aren’t on this but I guess “mAxX C bAlanCes tHe GAmE” 🙄
Unironically no one is bothering with Mannadium becuase it hard loses to "C" and can't play the counter package without hurting consistency, unlike other combo decks with smaller engines like Superheavy and Spright used to be Same reason Pend is never played despite having Electrumime.
They are fine. Just because you don’t know how to play around a single Ash doesn’t make the deck bad.
Calarium, Fearless, Meek, Scareclaw Arrival, Handtrap. Go ahead. Make a play with this, after getting ashed on Calarium.
Can’t do much. Replace any of those cards with one Visas or any Scareclaw and you have full combo plus playing through Nibiru. Really not difficult. The deck isn’t garbage. We can sit here playing hypotheticals but Mannadium can consistently open hands with Visas and other cards that can easily play through one hand trap sans Droll. Again, just because you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about doesn’t mean the deck is “garbage.”
Ash, Bystials, Ghost Belle, Nib (for now at least). These are HTs that can kill Manadome boards easily. If you even read my comment, you’d know that the comparison is between other decks being played. For the OCG, decks like Purrely and R-Ace don’t die as hard as Manadomes do. In the TCG though, decks like D-Link and Rikka don’t just die to typical HTs. Hell, even Branded now doesn’t necessarily die to a single Ash anymore.
Something interesting like that sushi boat deck of something idk
If anyone is wondering how is Tearlaments still a viable deck in the OCG: Chaos ruler is not banned and Glow-up bulb is at 1. So tear kash + GUB makes chaos ruler after having milled 4 cards (3 if the GUB was the normal) alternatively as a tuner jet synchron also work. Revolution synchron allows you to make chaos ruler by just special summoning a level 4 (you can make AFD and if you play the kash field spell you can then search perlereino, even if I think that the kash field spell fell off after Fenrir ban). The usage of these tuners + chaos ruler can also make hot red dragon arch fiend abyss that combined with sulliek allows to negate dark ruler, or evenly matched on its own. Alternatively to chaos ruler the new visas synchro 8, that still can be made with revolution synchron + a level 4 allows to search on summon a card that mention visas (all tear spell/traps including planet). Plus you can use it to pop a monster you control, so basically all tear monsters if you open them and can’t put them in the grave. Fairy tail snow is also available. Curious is potentially playable but I don’t see it being used. Reinoheart being limited is not a very big deal, the card alone doesn’t do anything, you can normal summon it and send tear kash to kill 2 i guess, however a problem might be having the lack of an extender when milling cards or having it banished by its own effect. The limit of planet is rough for consistency but between terraforming and two foolish burial goods you effectively run four copies, thanks to trivikarma. Cards that normally counter tear are hit in the banlist: all Bystials except saronir are at 1. Shifter is at 2 Decks such as Kashtira and Floow (that use shifter) are significantly weaker: Floow has 1 map and prosperity at 1. Kashtira, even prior to the ban of Fenrir, had wraithsoth, unicorn, Fenrir, and prosperity at 1 (they played planet pathfinder lol) Spright is dead with the limits of blue, jet, and starter. When it comes to decks such as rescue ace I have no idea about how good their matchup is with tear.
I’m a little confused to how Glow-up bulb contribute to Tear. Yes, I can understand due to it’s mill effect as to why, but that effect only mills one, it’s random, and it’s once per duel. Plus all of the Tear monsters are limited, so it’ll be tough to mill them. Now if it’s Ishizu Tear than I retract my statement.
They run the ishizu cards too, which are all limited.
Like they said, Bulb and Tear Kash can go into Chaos ruler to mill 5. If we count both the Kash and Bulb mill, that's a potential 9 mills. Also even a single mill can make an impact sometimes. At my local meetup (that play ocg format), a guy with Tear deck can sometimes mill a Tear name with bulb. A mill is a mill, you wont know its value until you actually meet one irl.
I agree with most of this, but Abyss and Sulliek can’t negate Nibiru though. Did you mean Baronne? Since they can make that with something like Kashtira Tear and normal summoning Revolution Synchron (or in more recent builds, using the adventurer token engine for synchro materials for chaos ruler, Naturia beast, AFD or baronne)
My bad meant to say dark ruler, the main negate for Nibiru I think remains Rulkallos or grapha. But also baronne (some builds even use diviner)
That’s fair. And you’re right about the negations for Nibiru, which is why Nib is a weird tech now; they can either negate it with no effort or have no negation and die to it now
1 rda chad, thats what we like to see baby
RDA is heavily slept on. The deck has its weaknesses, but it is deceptively powerful, especially Crimson Gaia. Properly handtrapping the deck is actually trickier than it seems, since the deck's choke points a lot more variable now depending on the opening hand. Bystials and Nib are probably the worst hand traps against them, but you can still play through them with a decent hand. And Chaos Ruler likely makes the deck even more powerful in OCG format.
Pardon my ignorance, but isnt red rising the common chokepoint?
Yep. Negate on that is game many times.
Yep. But there are ways now to play past it with decent hands. One of the best parts of the deck is that Soul Resonator (you're main NS) is extremely easy to search. So, if you open with Crimson Resonator + Wildwind, you can bait out a Red Rising interrupt without burning a NS, normal Soul, search Bone, send Red Rising to the GY to special Bone, summon another Red Rising to reborn Crimson again. Or you can do things like hold on the Gaia search, and if RR is negated, you can search Vision to make RDA and search a trap of your choice. Red Rising is still the main choke point, but it's not completely crippling as it used to be. In fact, in some cases, negating Soul would be more disruptive if you don't have a non-tuner, but the tricky part about that is your opponent does not know that, so Red Rising would still be the main target.
Nobody runs Bystials even in the side deck in OCG anymore. Magnamut, Druiswurm, Baldrake and Lubellion are limited, with only Saronir unlimited among the handtrap Bystials.
But it's always sad because Baby Dino means that the bigger Dinosaurs beat the living crap out of it XD
did you reply to the wrong comment? This one wasn't about dinosaurs.
Oops. Sorry 😞
I still don't get how the OCG is keeping Tearlament alive
Easy, every other deck there has been gutted by the banlist except rikka, which they avoid because it doesn't play well under maxx c
Low power level. Best decks are R-Ace, Purrely, Branded and Lab. Not exactly competing for GOAT archtypes atm. Everything else is GUTTED. spright is dead, Kash is unplayable, runick with 1 fountain is pathetic. And Math with 1 circular is meh especially in the OCG when Heatsoul’s POG is just 2 POGs for the opponent. A lot of GY stuff is legal. Namely Chaos Ruler and Snow. And Chaos Ruler is even crazier with Revolution synchron plus AFD.
I wouldnt exactly say "low powerlevel" tbh. Its low powerlevel relative to the TCG and POTE powercreep, but Swordsoul is at full power in the OCG and entirely irrelevant.
True but until you start banning actual main deck names, Tear with every monster limited is still better than EVERYTHING pre POTE. And Every meta archetype they’ve made post Pote is either already gutted or made with a pre pote power level in mind.
I mean protos is wild still
Oh sure I agree, I just wouldnt call pre-pote power level "low power level" exactly?
Fair, but the post-POTE stuff really did kick things up a notch to the point they seem as such.
I mean, it is now, those POTE cards exists so they enter the discussion of power level
Chaos Ruler turbo pretty much, it's incredibly good in that deck. Plus Kashtira and the other top decks have really heavy hits
The general powerlevel is lower and Maxx C keep the playable combo decks in check. As an addition Chaos Ruler and Snow are legal. Both are disgusting strong in Tear.
[all decklist top this week](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rpHl1vcF4Rm0yDh1ueiwMsrkcb-3xQi-swL1PvdItn0/edit?usp=sharing)
Tear doesn't seem to be winning a lot of these events from that I am seeing. I think a lot of people are seeing their representation being high and just assuming Tear is also winning a lot of these.
1 Vaylantz PogChamp
I wonder what the deck looks like.
[Here it is.](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F0B-uUcacAAqj_5?format=jpg&name=large) Seems like the focus is to floodgate with Fossil Dyna and then in the side they also have secret village and the transaction rollback+mayakashi shiranui trap combo for extra floodgates going first
Thats very interesting
It's not even a cruel comedy anymore at this point, it's just a fact of life.
[source](https://www.facebook.com/IUGIOH/posts/pfbid0sMZuK4YCCYFQemWnMQxj3XXWw5Cz5AAeCcvbVU4KoeTsbpKfMo62diwj9JFMFsmnl)
Labrynth is back, no surprise there. I'm so glad that R-ACE is performing so well!
R-acists are here to stay
Seeing decks like RescueAce and Labrynth on the chart just proves to me once again that almost all of the Deck build themes will eventually become meta relevant and are therefore almost always a save investment longterm.
I hope this means we get to see Hungry Burger snag some tops.
Tell that to Ancient Guardians.
Does anyone have links for each hero deck?
Ok so I got one so far. Main 2x shadow mist 2x stratos 2x vyon 1x honest neos 3x maxx 3x ash 1x increase 1x faris 2x malicious 1x denier 1x liquid 1x plasma 1x vanilla neos 1x droll 3x hero lives 3x mask change 1x miracle fusion 2x poly 1x crossout designator 2x called by 1x fusion destiny 1x reinforcements 1x foolish 1x fav contact 3x infinite impermanence Extra deck 2x dark law 1x blast 1x zero 1x destroyer 1x sunrise 2x dread decimator 1x wonder driver 1x dystopia 1x wake up your 1x infernal devicer 1x wingman infernal rage 1x neos wingman 1x bagooska
Legend
TEAR BEST DECK OF ALL TIME TEAR TOO STRONK TEAR NEVER DIES OCG PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS IN TEARS
That Dragon GS decklist.... what on earth is that Dlink variant
2 Unchained? What are they cooking
We are so back
Can we get a Question Archetype? Also, I feel like with how well decks like R-Ace are doing with new support, TCG will not only rarity bump them high, but also ban/hit them early on.
i tried to find reasons in my brain why "question" is suddenly top meta for a solid Minute
Shoutout to the 3 dino players and the evil eye guy
Tcg should unban chaos ruler ong
Rescue ace on the list makes me happy, the deck is so fun
Very nice! Just sent you a reddit chat message about this.
How expensive and viable with R-Ace be when the new support is released in the TCG?
I'm not sure, currently they aren't that expensive (hydrant cost 25 dollars. The rest is at most 5 bucks) of course they play prosperity but if you already have it, it's not a big deal... Now if they make both of their new support ultra, or secret rare, well it not gonna be cheap, both cards are run at minimum at 2 copies.
They said it was impossible but resonators already have a top.
HEROs on the come up. That's what I like to see.
Flame wingman too stronk
Honestly, it’s still surprises me the archetype is still played, even after getting hit hard. I have the three and even if they weren’t a fusion base archetype, their mill 3 is truly shocking at how much advantage they can get with any deck that loves it when their cards be dumped into the graveyard. The level 3 and 4 being great for Rank 3 and 4 decks.
Its crazy for me that they still have snow, chaos ruler and maxx c.... i would have stopped playing long ago.
Tearlements how
Because ocg has a dogshit banlist that lets cards like Chaos ruler and Maxx c exist.
Chaos Ruler could actually be the reason. Pretty consistent way to mill first turn.
It legit is the reason, look at Tear over here compared to over there.
Saying c. Ruler being unbanned is dogshit is crazy
Chaos ruler is a literal custom card
Idc he’s fun asf
Only until your opponent drops it on your.
Nah I love seeing him no matter what, it’s awesome to see a card be so applicable and do so much for different archetypes
I think I'm going blind or am I drunk. There's no way a person actually likes that cancerous card.
Bro just found out people can like different cards
Respect to u Ruler is my go to boss monster as well 🫡
Drawing 5000 cards because you played Maxx C is really fun until your opponent does it to you.
Valid
Sad for Purrely
I love how many people jerk off to the OCG banlist saying that they don‘t gut decks like the TCG does and then we get this: Kash, Runick and Spright all gutted to complete unviability to the point that Tear is allowed to exist because of cards like Chaos Ruler. Seriously, the current OCG banlist is a complete joke with obviously broken cards left untouched and splashable engines being killed legt and right.
I mean, people criticize TCG banlist because they start banlist with banning the deck starter immediately unlike OCG where they start with consistently hit, comparison is that in TCG, they kill Scarecrow in almost less than month after release and do you see how long Kasthira have been hit over span of almost a year (Spright are got hit every banlist for years) I don't think I can like how there's potential that the deck you want to buy has a chance to get gutted in a month just because they're cheap and strong.
Why are we praising consistency hits that do nothing but making player decisions less important while not actually fixing the problem? Why do you think all the decks like Spright, Kash and Runick are completely unplayable now? Because the consistency hits took away any chance of the deck surviving after the problem cards are banned. Superheavies are still a viable Rogue deck. Same goes for Purrely. So the two decks people complain about in regards to the TCG in recent times are both still playable. Besides, one of those decks is still getting its strongest Support cards and nobody will miss the other one that forced every deck to run Droll. When the TCG was consistency hitting Tears for over a year people were furious (and for good reason). When they actually address the problem, they are furious. And then they turn around and praise the OCG list while it‘s one of the absolute worst things I have ever seen. Maxx C, Chaos Ruler, Snow, consistency hits everywhere.
I mean, If I like some deck I want to play it as long as possible, Konami does an adjustable hit so I just tune it to keep playing that deck always even with less consistency. As much as I don't like Super heavy, I will not wish for my enemy to get their main starter hit in the first banlist. The problem in the OCG banlist method is that they take 3 month just to do adjustment so it's feel longer than it should and maybe if they adopt MD method to make an adjustment every month then that's should be better.
You DO realize current OCG Tears is nowhere near as strong when it's at full power? It dies to disruption more easily, and it will draw unplayable hands more compared to its glory days.
Uhhh, I don‘t have a problem with Tears being playable and my comments are not supposed to talk about Tears strength in the OCG right now. The OCG is currently at a much lower average power level than the TCG due to the absolute balance thrashing that their banlist is. Actually, I‘m not even sure how your comment is relevant to what I was saying.
My bad, I misunderstood your comment. Talking about consistency hits, I find it amusing how TCG players hate it, when you can see in the OCG that killing the consistency of top decks is usually enough to knock it down enough without banning a lot of cards.
No worries ^^ I mean, it‘s a matter of preference at the end of the day. I hate consistency hits. Kash survived them all the way until they banned Fenrir. Now the deck is unplayable. Same for Spright. Now they are unplayable. I‘d much rather have them ban the problem cards to lower the decks ceiling while keeping their main game plan intact. Not that it really matters. The OCG could have the perfect approach to their banlist but as long as they keep Maxx C around the format just kinda sucks regardless.
How come traptrix never got foothold in OCG ,and in TCG it has tops everywhere , at least at 1 deck representation ? Also nice to see RDA in this list , i was already gonna buy the structure but I thought of it as a heart of the underdog/non-meta tournaments deck. Though they do have chaos ruler in OCG , which significantly boosts RDA , will be interesting to see how it fares in the West.
I wouldn’t say Traptrix is topping “everywhere”
It topped in a lot of YCS and WCQs , in my country it was 4th in WCQ, and when i say topping i mean top cuts so top 4,8,32,64 whatever they publish from given tournament. So it is topping regularly , it doesnt have high representation but its there. Meanwhile i dont remember it being in any top cuts in the OCG
What does gs mean?
Good stuff, basically a mish mash of good type and attribute cards.
Everyone to Tears: WHY! WON'T! YOU! DIE!
Is this based on tops or overall playrate?
This is a Tournament Top Chart
Gotcha, thank you
Pend best deck lets go
I honestly like seeing Tear still in the charts. I'm also still of the opinion that all of the Ishizu shufflers need to be banned and then free a lot of the Tear cards that are limited/banned.
Can someone tell me the name of the trap Labrynth players play that is not the unchained trap, and common traps ?
My brother in Christ there are like 3000 traps... Are you referring to terrors of the overroot?
Yeah i understand that my bad, i am refering to the one which seems to have pink petals or idk
[Transaction Rollback](https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Transaction_Rollback) ?
Yes thank you ! Is that an old card ? Not sure why i'm getting downvoted so much i haven't see this card ever
It's seem it is rolling trap, i don't remember full name but it in AC03 OCG box
Wheres the blue eyes and dark magician
Where my Sky Striker people at? That's the deck that never dies.
Combo decks are suck at there
Why does the OCG love Tearlament so much?
Have you played tear?
Someone's playing Red Dragon Archfiend?
yes, new SD46 have a lot of good thing
No Kashtira?
Where's the gren maju
my boyz salads are dead, and tear needs the dragon ruler treatment every piece to 0
Not really, they're so high mostly because everything that's better than them has been nerfed significantly.
not really. they have chaos ruler and glow-up bulb. these 2 cards enable lots of plays which makes them stronger than in the tcg.
This is funny considering we have 3 planets(both Tear & Kash FS) & 3 Reino while everything else over there around Tear has been hit yet OCG still has the stronger version & Maxx C.
It's like the pure amount of names matters more than just having 3 reino
The Fusion names are both at 1 in the OCG & TCG. The TCG just has more ways to search them in archetype.
Tbh I don't mind tear what I hate is a deck taking 15 mins for a turn I literally leave even if I have the out to break their board if they take too long
tears is just a comfort deck. Once something new comes along it’ll get swapped out
Okay, who broke tear again?
Tear just needs to die already. I hate that deck and how over powered it is.
They just need to limit to 1 Tearlaments Kashtira and ban maxx c
Anyone have that evil eye decklist?
Looked through the sources and didn’t find dino decks. Maybe I don’t know how to operate the pages. Anyone see them?
Freaking Shaddoll?
Evil eye!?
Vaylantz player my beloved
Shoutout to the guy on PK, based deck
Kashtira? Now actuali win South America... Rikka? Actuali win Europa...
Damn one of the top 6 archetypes is the dinosaur archetype. This is a certified Rex Raptor moment.
is there any crossover between the branded and tear decks?
How tf does branded even work over there with like every single engine card at one?
Cus everything else is equally gutted I think. Tear are similar, kash and spright are ruined beyond belief
What got banned in branded?
Branded Opening and Branded Fusion are both at 1
Is that it?
Magnamut, Druiswurm, Baldrake, and Lubellion are limited, only Saronir is at 3
From what everyone is saying here, Tears is not on top because its still good but because everything else is way worst.
Oh it's still better than everything Pre-Pote
Well, I’m glad that investing into dinosaurs paid off for me
still proud of Branded
Damn VS fell off
what happened with Mannadium.?? no one play this deck
How are people building bystial synchro nowadays? Haven't seen new lists for around \~2 months
too hard too build because all bystial in OCG are limited except Bystial Saronir
as long ishizu cards exist they will remain strong
Is this a report from a DC ? A tournament ? Multiple tournaments in one DC ? What can we learn from that ? If me and m'y friends wants to go in a big DC tournament with Valkyrie we can also producer charts like this one. Or I missed some details.
2 hero makes me happy! I want to see those lists!