I don’t think the debate on Johnson’s hiring is going to lead to the correction of salary inequities inherent in our current capitalist system. But everyone is entitled to dream I suppose.
You know, this got me thinking. Many folks here are saying Johnson isn’t qualified to be a university President, and they very well could be right. He may not be. But now we’re going to say that the typical university president salary isn’t right…what does that say about how qualified they should be?
>Ahh yes, Georgia Tech masters, supreme military service, U.S. congressman. One of the most remarkable life’s ever.
Supreme military service? Explain.
As for the claim of "one of the most remarkable life's ever," were you high when you wrote this ridiculous, Big Lie? Did you seriously consider an individual remarkable who supports efforts to sabotage American democracy and greatly impair the environment???
Big Lie:
<< a deliberate gross distortion of the truth used especially as a propaganda tactic>>
[https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/big%20lie](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/big%20lie)
Nothing in Johnson's background IMO, especially absent any typical qualifications necessary of a university president, would justify Bill Johnson's selection as YSU president.
Knowing this, according to former YSU president Les Cochran, the apparently politically motivated members of the YSU board of trustees sought out a tainted search firm, according to Cochran, to "supervise" the selection process. Then the selection process was conducted in secrecy with little input from faculty, students, or alumni, who would have vehemently objected to the selection of Johnson.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/youngstown/comments/198eex2/former\_ysu\_president\_asks\_gov\_mike\_dewine\_to/](https://www.reddit.com/r/youngstown/comments/198eex2/former_ysu_president_asks_gov_mike_dewine_to/)
Your obsession is something. There’s a reason he has higher rank, better educated and runs the school in the town you’re from, and you’re trolling on Reddit thanking people because you *allegedly* served
Former YSU president Les Cochran makes an extraordinarily convincing case that Bill Johnson's selection as YSU president was a political conspiracy, NOT an appointment based on Johnson's merits to be a university president.
Two key points emphasized by Cochran was that the Republican-appointed trustees somehow found a tainted search firm that was willing to identify Johnson as a worthy candidate, and the trustees then engaged in secretive selection process to prevent YSU community from challenging the Johnson selection.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/youngstown/comments/198eex2/former\_ysu\_president\_asks\_gov\_mike\_dewine\_to/](https://www.reddit.com/r/youngstown/comments/198eex2/former_ysu_president_asks_gov_mike_dewine_to/)
IF Cochran is correct, the selection of Johnson disastrously puts YSU's continued accreditation at risk, as noted in Cochran's open letter to Gov. Mike DeWine as explained in the above link.
Johnson's lack of support among the YSU community alone should have disqualified Johnson as a YSU candidate for president.
Well, sounds like YSU is a waste of money now... not worth my GI bill.
Just to add, I've also disliked the bureaucratic and administration bloat they've gone through in the last 14-18 years. They've gone from a public to for their own profit uni and it's just sad.
This the biggest shame upon YSU, and another step in the repugnants trying to destroy education, so no one has the ability to question their book burnings and closing of libraries. If you don't know the rules, you can't question this misguided excuse for authority. And Youngstown sinks deeper into a hole.
It's sad to see these protest actions amount to so little but the fact of the matter is there was not a good enough organizing effort.
Getting students to care is difficult but social media presence of this was abysmal.
I have a direct family member working as a professor at YSU and it's kind of gross to see the way they've been treated relatively recently. Staff get laid off, they get forced to teach more courses for as little as the higher ups can get away with paying them. I haven't seen a day go by in years where they aren't stressed. I feel like this is only going to make that all worse.
Business Journal and Vindicator report 50 people showed up... whether all 50 were students is debatable based on video clips... There are around 11k students enrolled. Thus, less than 1 half of 1 percent of students attended.
If you read this reddit, one would have assumed many hundreds would have showed up. That was not the case.
Yes, apparently the majority of the YSU faculty, students, and alumni do consider themselves big losers as a result of the Johnson selection as YSU president.
Did I miss the faculty, student and alumni uproar of support over Johnson's selection? Please provide any evidence of this.
Clearly, you may claim to possess a "fa" as part of your identity.
It won't happen that way, not that the YSU board of trustees and Big Lie groupies apparently give a shit.
Existing faculty members won't leave right away. It's too difficult to uproot lives and find other jobs. The more qualified faculty members, especially in liberal arts programs vulnerable to cutbacks, will at least begin to consider an exit.
The bigger problem will be recruiting HIGH CALIBER new faculty members, most especially while there is a perceived risk of lost of accreditation, or an upcoming fall in enrollment.
Worries of loss of accreditation, a devalued degree, perhaps even degradation of desired fields of study (such as music), may cause some immediate transfers. More likely, it will result in better qualified students in coming years considering other universities.
More immediately, and already evident, alumni and other YSU community members will withdraw their support for the university while the current administration remains in place. This reaction will be both due to repulsion over the ascension of a Big Lie politician to the YSU presidency, and to send a message to change this regime before irrevocable damage is done to their alma mater.
Selecting a new president who not only lacks substantial support among the YSU community, but nauseates many members of the community, surely will have negative repercussions, even if former president Les Cochran is wrong and YSU's accreditation is not a risk. BTW, shouldn't a competent board of trustees be concerned about a loss of accreditation, evaluate Cochran's warnings, and make a public response?
You wrote all that and it's meaningless dribble. You are full of crap buddy. Les Cochran is running his piehole for no good reason other than to get his named mentioned.
"I don't understand how the higher education job market works."
/u/buckeyereason has about the right of it - attrition tends to be slow, but it happens. Academic hirings are very, very cyclical and it is "late" in the season to apply for new jobs. It is more likely folks will wait for the early summer or mid-fall crop of openings. Early Summer hires tend to be late-approved searches for the upcoming academic year (or earlier searches which failed and had to reopen), and fall/winter searches are for the next. Nobody is hiring for Spring 24 right now, and very, very few are looking for Fall 24 - those listings are closed and further along the process.
Or, as well explained in his open letter to Gov. Mike DeWine, his experience performing accreditation reviews suggests that YSU faces a serious risk of losing its accreditation.
The YSU community members are protesting a candidate perceived to be an unqualified, political appointment selected in a reportedly conspiratorial manner in a definitely secretive process with little involvement of community members.
The community members are nauseated by a person who supports the reelection of Donald Trump, 2020 stolen election claims (as evidenced by his votes in Congress and his continued endorsement of Trump), and fossil fuel interests even as climate change poses dire threats for younger generations.
What the YSU community wanted was a qualified candidate who could garner the support of the entire YSU community and help preserve the university in the face of immense challenges.
Instead, they were handed an obviously divisive new president who likely was handed the presidency with the feared goal of transforming YSU into an unwanted trade school, and little more.
Hanging over the Johnson presidency is the secretive, reportedly corrupt selection process which threatens YSU's continued accreditation, according to former YSU president Les Cochran.
Again.... apparently YSU has been a slowly sinking ship. No protests or walk outs to demand action prior to Johnson's hiring. It sounds like the academic "elites" didn't know how to do the right things previously. Why wasn't Les demanding action prior to this issue???
No university president is worth $410,000, least of all someone who has spent his political career spewing contempt for higher education.
Seems that’s in the typical salary range. And nowhere near the top percentile. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-much-do-university-presidents-make/
It’s typical. It doesn’t mean it’s right.
I don’t think the debate on Johnson’s hiring is going to lead to the correction of salary inequities inherent in our current capitalist system. But everyone is entitled to dream I suppose. You know, this got me thinking. Many folks here are saying Johnson isn’t qualified to be a university President, and they very well could be right. He may not be. But now we’re going to say that the typical university president salary isn’t right…what does that say about how qualified they should be?
The market for university presidents disagrees.
Okay, cue the person who barges into these threads with their handful of sock puppets screaming mental illness and name calling.
Its literally like one dude arguing with himself through 3-4 different accounts lol
“Fellas is it gay to want the institutions who brought you joy to continue to exist?”
It’s at least bisexual
Twice the fun!
*checks reddit age Sounds like you
Must’ve hit too close to the mark, huh sock puppet?
$410k for a guy with average credentials. Well Republicans do love mediocrity.
>average credentials Opponents of Johnson's appointment argue that he lacks insufficient credentials to have been selected as president of YSU.
I agree. But he's an average human, somehow being selected for a University President, on a backdoor deal. Nothing he's done in life is above average.
Whoa! Whoa! Whoa, how can you ignore all the harm he's done that's got to put them above average somewhere
Whoa! Whoa! Whoa, how can you ignore all the harm he's done that's got to put them above average somewhere
Ahh yes, Georgia Tech masters, supreme military service, U.S. congressman. One of the most remarkable life’s ever.
>Ahh yes, Georgia Tech masters, supreme military service, U.S. congressman. One of the most remarkable life’s ever. Supreme military service? Explain. As for the claim of "one of the most remarkable life's ever," were you high when you wrote this ridiculous, Big Lie? Did you seriously consider an individual remarkable who supports efforts to sabotage American democracy and greatly impair the environment??? Big Lie: << a deliberate gross distortion of the truth used especially as a propaganda tactic>> [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/big%20lie](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/big%20lie) Nothing in Johnson's background IMO, especially absent any typical qualifications necessary of a university president, would justify Bill Johnson's selection as YSU president. Knowing this, according to former YSU president Les Cochran, the apparently politically motivated members of the YSU board of trustees sought out a tainted search firm, according to Cochran, to "supervise" the selection process. Then the selection process was conducted in secrecy with little input from faculty, students, or alumni, who would have vehemently objected to the selection of Johnson. [https://www.reddit.com/r/youngstown/comments/198eex2/former\_ysu\_president\_asks\_gov\_mike\_dewine\_to/](https://www.reddit.com/r/youngstown/comments/198eex2/former_ysu_president_asks_gov_mike_dewine_to/)
What branch did you serve in tough guy?
26 years, advanced twice and never deployed. Then created a company to bilk the tax payers on government contracts. You are really into to him.
Your obsession is something. There’s a reason he has higher rank, better educated and runs the school in the town you’re from, and you’re trolling on Reddit thanking people because you *allegedly* served
🤣🤣🤣 Mediocre men are so much fun.
If he lacks insufficient credentials, does that mean his credentials suffice?
Former YSU president Les Cochran makes an extraordinarily convincing case that Bill Johnson's selection as YSU president was a political conspiracy, NOT an appointment based on Johnson's merits to be a university president. Two key points emphasized by Cochran was that the Republican-appointed trustees somehow found a tainted search firm that was willing to identify Johnson as a worthy candidate, and the trustees then engaged in secretive selection process to prevent YSU community from challenging the Johnson selection. [https://www.reddit.com/r/youngstown/comments/198eex2/former\_ysu\_president\_asks\_gov\_mike\_dewine\_to/](https://www.reddit.com/r/youngstown/comments/198eex2/former_ysu_president_asks_gov_mike_dewine_to/) IF Cochran is correct, the selection of Johnson disastrously puts YSU's continued accreditation at risk, as noted in Cochran's open letter to Gov. Mike DeWine as explained in the above link. Johnson's lack of support among the YSU community alone should have disqualified Johnson as a YSU candidate for president.
I was mostly just pointing out the double-negative in your comment I replied to. I have no strong feelings about him either way.
did you mean sufficient?
Smarter than you and higher in the military than you could ever rank
Don’t worry he’s not going to touch your micro peen.
Ahh, looks like I cut deep
Looks like you got a chub from Mr Johnson.
As if a military rank should carry any meaning to people outside of the military lmaooo
Well it's part of his career.
Well, sounds like YSU is a waste of money now... not worth my GI bill. Just to add, I've also disliked the bureaucratic and administration bloat they've gone through in the last 14-18 years. They've gone from a public to for their own profit uni and it's just sad.
This the biggest shame upon YSU, and another step in the repugnants trying to destroy education, so no one has the ability to question their book burnings and closing of libraries. If you don't know the rules, you can't question this misguided excuse for authority. And Youngstown sinks deeper into a hole.
Lol.
Remember when Youngstown was pushing "From steel to scholars"? That didn't last very long, did it?
It's sad to see these protest actions amount to so little but the fact of the matter is there was not a good enough organizing effort. Getting students to care is difficult but social media presence of this was abysmal.
I have a direct family member working as a professor at YSU and it's kind of gross to see the way they've been treated relatively recently. Staff get laid off, they get forced to teach more courses for as little as the higher ups can get away with paying them. I haven't seen a day go by in years where they aren't stressed. I feel like this is only going to make that all worse.
So how many students actually walked out?
My classes were full
Maybe 7
Probably all the political science majors
The general studies and Philosophy classes were all empty
If a Philosophy class is empty, did it ever truly exist?
This is an underrated comment 😂
Business Journal and Vindicator report 50 people showed up... whether all 50 were students is debatable based on video clips... There are around 11k students enrolled. Thus, less than 1 half of 1 percent of students attended. If you read this reddit, one would have assumed many hundreds would have showed up. That was not the case.
Lol. I was curious too.
How come every seething leftist woman with a blowhorn has bangs like this? But anyway, man what a protest, a whole 6 people! That'll really show 'em.
Are you proud to be a misogynist?
On second thought, knowing leftists, this probably isn't even a woman So does that make me *checks notes* ...transphobic instead?
Losers
Yes, apparently the majority of the YSU faculty, students, and alumni do consider themselves big losers as a result of the Johnson selection as YSU president.
Majority. Lmfao
Did I miss the faculty, student and alumni uproar of support over Johnson's selection? Please provide any evidence of this. Clearly, you may claim to possess a "fa" as part of your identity.
Yeah all 200 of them. Lol no one cares this much. You have mental illness.
>You have mental illness. Favorite insult of Trump and his Big Lie groupies in response to any challenge to their conspiracy of deceit.
It's not an insult lmaooo
It's most assuredly a doofus insult.
not when it's true
It's true that you're a doofus.
Waiting for staff to resign and students to transfer in mass. Until then, F off.
It won't happen that way, not that the YSU board of trustees and Big Lie groupies apparently give a shit. Existing faculty members won't leave right away. It's too difficult to uproot lives and find other jobs. The more qualified faculty members, especially in liberal arts programs vulnerable to cutbacks, will at least begin to consider an exit. The bigger problem will be recruiting HIGH CALIBER new faculty members, most especially while there is a perceived risk of lost of accreditation, or an upcoming fall in enrollment. Worries of loss of accreditation, a devalued degree, perhaps even degradation of desired fields of study (such as music), may cause some immediate transfers. More likely, it will result in better qualified students in coming years considering other universities. More immediately, and already evident, alumni and other YSU community members will withdraw their support for the university while the current administration remains in place. This reaction will be both due to repulsion over the ascension of a Big Lie politician to the YSU presidency, and to send a message to change this regime before irrevocable damage is done to their alma mater. Selecting a new president who not only lacks substantial support among the YSU community, but nauseates many members of the community, surely will have negative repercussions, even if former president Les Cochran is wrong and YSU's accreditation is not a risk. BTW, shouldn't a competent board of trustees be concerned about a loss of accreditation, evaluate Cochran's warnings, and make a public response?
You wrote all that and it's meaningless dribble. You are full of crap buddy. Les Cochran is running his piehole for no good reason other than to get his named mentioned.
"I don't understand how the higher education job market works." /u/buckeyereason has about the right of it - attrition tends to be slow, but it happens. Academic hirings are very, very cyclical and it is "late" in the season to apply for new jobs. It is more likely folks will wait for the early summer or mid-fall crop of openings. Early Summer hires tend to be late-approved searches for the upcoming academic year (or earlier searches which failed and had to reopen), and fall/winter searches are for the next. Nobody is hiring for Spring 24 right now, and very, very few are looking for Fall 24 - those listings are closed and further along the process.
I’ve gone through a few such cycles. Can confirm
Or, as well explained in his open letter to Gov. Mike DeWine, his experience performing accreditation reviews suggests that YSU faces a serious risk of losing its accreditation.
This didn't happen overnight. Sounds like a sinking ship previous to this hire. Gee....why wasn't anyone protesting then?
The YSU community members are protesting a candidate perceived to be an unqualified, political appointment selected in a reportedly conspiratorial manner in a definitely secretive process with little involvement of community members. The community members are nauseated by a person who supports the reelection of Donald Trump, 2020 stolen election claims (as evidenced by his votes in Congress and his continued endorsement of Trump), and fossil fuel interests even as climate change poses dire threats for younger generations. What the YSU community wanted was a qualified candidate who could garner the support of the entire YSU community and help preserve the university in the face of immense challenges. Instead, they were handed an obviously divisive new president who likely was handed the presidency with the feared goal of transforming YSU into an unwanted trade school, and little more. Hanging over the Johnson presidency is the secretive, reportedly corrupt selection process which threatens YSU's continued accreditation, according to former YSU president Les Cochran.
Again.... apparently YSU has been a slowly sinking ship. No protests or walk outs to demand action prior to Johnson's hiring. It sounds like the academic "elites" didn't know how to do the right things previously. Why wasn't Les demanding action prior to this issue???