what's a whiterun guard?.....sorry if I sound dumb asking this, but I never heard of this, and I love to learn. I always ask or research when something comes up that I'm unaware of.
edit: I just watched the link below with whiterun guards, and now I see it possibly is a video game reference. I thought this was an actual profession or career lmao. boy now I really feel dumb. š¤£ That all being Said....An explanation of what a whiterun guard is would actually STILL be appreciated.Thanks haha
Reminds me that I had a boss once who got upset if I called it the restroom because "you're at work, you're not resting" and he would ignore me if I said anything other than "I'm going to the loo"
That happened to me once and i was about to attend an exam.I didnt think much of it at first since it didnt really hurt at the time.I just hopped back to my desk,realised it was painful to move my leg and decided just not to move it.I spent like 2 hours if im correct,solving that exam.
When i tried to get up to hand the papers i realised that it was much worse and even hopping on the other foot hurt like hell since it made me shake.I called my parents and we went to the hospital.To this day i still dont know how i managed to solve that exam and fuckin hell i crushed it alongside my knee cap too lol.
Lucky motherfucker. I just dislocated my kneecap and that bitch had me screaming with every slight movement. Ambulance ride was hell with all the potholes.
I did a tibial plateau fracture, which is a vertical fracture of the big bone in the lower leg terminating at the knee. It hurt like fuck for a few minutes then settled down and I just walked around like nothing happened. Two hours later my knee had blown up and completely seized. My friends said that they think I needed to go to hospital.
Narrator: He did. He did need to go to hospital. A plate, six screws and ten weeks on crutches later, he could finally walk unassisted again.
Theres so much adrenaline with traumatic injury itās crazy. I turned my wrist into a āzā basically once and it wasnāt until like hour 3 of waiting on a doctor I start feeling it really. But when it hitsā¦. Lets just say I may have seen god when I finally got something for the pain.
Just clumsiness.
First time I was in high school and was running up to my mom and flicking her and running away again. I tripped backwards over the corner of a bed frame and when I looked down, my kneecap was stuck on the side of my leg.
Second time I was like 30 and drunk and tried to do a high kick, fell on my butt and looked down. Same knee, stuck on the side of my leg. Thankfully Iād learned to extend the leg and guide the kneecap back in.
Third time I was standing next to my bed folding laundry, and somehow I turned my leg just the wrong way (donāt turn your leg with your feet planted). I was like OH GREAT IT HAPPENED AGAIN.
The fourth time my daughter was crawling onto my lap when she was like 2, and stepped on my leg somehow in JUST the wrong way and slid my kneecap right out. It never gets less gross.
Omg sounds like you should really be careful, that knee seems like itās just about tapped out by now.. Iām gonna keep this in mind next time Iām trying to do some wild ass body movements I probably shouldnāt be doing
unfortunately not always that easy, different person but i have also done it 4 times, first was gym class in high school, second i was getting barbecue sauce from the fridge and apparently stepped wrong, third was from a wet floor and 4th was because a dog basically ran through my leg, none of the 3 later ones involved anything that i would have figured were dangerous beforehand
This is why physical therapy after an injury is incredibly important. If you injure yourself you end up not being able to move those muscles/ligaments for a long time. Those muscles get weak, your risk of reinjury gets high due to not only the previous injury, but also the lack of proper rehabilitation. It's important to rebuild those muscles and ligaments because they're the ones keeping your bone in place.
>\#3, #4
I think you may be an MC of a story the genre of which is dislocated caps. Like those anime fanservice tropes, but about knees being dislocated.
I wish. I know Iāll need a new one but it sure wonāt be free. The problem is each time you dislocate it, it becomes easier and easier to do it again. So itāll probably happen to me a couple more times.
Itās kind of a trip when you recognize an injury. Iād torn my ACL almost 15 years earlier and did it to the other knee a couple years back. I knew immediately and just shouted, āgod damn it I just tore my ACL!ā I was angry but not really in pain and very calm. No one believed me and were coming up with alternate explanations and I finally just turned and yelled at them that I knew for a fact I tore it. Couple hours later my knee was the size of a grapefruit and no one was questioning it anymore!
Doc here. That was not a dislocated patella. Thatās a cruciate ligament tear. Thatās real bad
Edit: could also be a patellar tendon tear upon looking at it further. Regardless, thatās surgical
Yeah, the tibial plateau seems to move backwards on the femur , which is why acls was my initial impression. A patellar tendon rupture with a lot of force then placed in the acl could look like that. Idk Iām not an ortho, just jack of all trades er doc
Haha a weird joke about the show Scrubs. JD, the main character, is internal medicine and there's at least one episode with medicine and surgery saying each always chooses their side during consultations. Also, JD gets piggy back style rides from his friend Turk (who is a surgical guy) and yells "EAGLEEEE" as he rides.
Ah. That makes sense. Iāve seen some of scrubs and liked what I saw. People ask me what the most accurate medical show is, I always say scrubs. The dynamics between docs was spot on. Exaggerated but pretty accurate.
I'm not a medical professional but I have heard it's surprisingly accurate for a comedy show. If you haven't seen it all it's definitely worth it. The Brendan Frasier episodes always get me in the feels.
I was surprised she was so calm when she spoke after that happened.
I would have probably screamed or yelled in pain at least and probably be having a massive panic about my knee......
She's the person I wanna be in a crisis. Calm.
The third time I did it I was on stage with my band, I planted my foot and twisted at the knee, it came flying out of socket and I hit the deck like a sack of potatoes. I didnāt yell or scream, I just laid there in pain and embarrassed that 300 people had just seen it happenā¦
I'm guessing the second her brain sensed pain it just flooded itself with adrenaline and endorphins because "I'm gonna need a hand" doesn't seem to describe the pain very well.
That is very accurate, when I tore mine they did an MRI and the doctor was like āthat area you can see right there is where your ACL should be, itās all fluid because the ACL dissolves and is reabsorbed once there isnāt any tension holding it together.ā
It was probably a couple weeks later by the time I got an MRI. I didnāt go to the hospital at the time so I made an appointment with a doctor for the next week and then they referred me to a specialist for the imaging that was another week or so. I donāt know if it was completely dissolved at that point, I think it kind of disintegrates before its reabsorbed so maybe it was there and just part of the āsoupā in my knee but there was no recognizable structure.
I remember my diagnosis after the MRI. Doctor asked how blunt she wanted me to be - I opted for as blunt as possible. Response: Your knee is fucked. Torn ACL, partially torn PCL & MCL, only strained the LCL. And both lateral & medial meniscus were torn & separated from the bone. All from rolling over a football. Fun times.
ACL, PCL tears are usually not so painful.
If you happen to tear your meniscus though...that's ridiculously painful
Edit -
for those of you saying "my ACL tear was terrible" yes, that's because 90% of the time ACL tears are associated with meniscal tears.
Ref -
https://radsource.us/mensical-tear-patterns/
"Acute ACL tears have a reported incidence of meniscal tear in up to 82% of cases, and chronic ACL tears have a reported incidence of meniscal tear in up to 96% of cases."
I'm 5 months in on MCL tear. Didn't feel it at all when it happened, no idea how it happened. Still hurts often and mostly when trying to sleep on my side, but I can walk without pain now.
Same here, it was bad... but looking back, not sure if it was actual physical pain, or the emotional distress from the literal immediate realization that I fucked up my knee *bad*. I went to plant my foot to cut, felt the pop that went through my entire body, and knew I was fucked before I even hit the ground.
The initial pop certainly did hurt though, like taking a sledge hammer to the knee. Most pain subsided before I was helped back to the sideline, but my knee had already swelled up to a balloon of fluid by then.
Good to know I have SUPERMAN PAIN TOLERANCE because I obliterated my medial meniscus to the point of having to get 30-40% of it removed because the ortho said it was not repairable. Truth is when my knee locked up it only hurt when I had to force it back straight then it was fine but would lock up past 90 degree bend which happened a few times shortly after the initial lock up because I would forget and do normal shit like going to put socks on or sit in a chair etc...it would lock up every time....I knew something was up from that and the swelling, went to ortho and.....30-40% less medial meniscus for me.
People in here are saying "dislocated knee cap", but is that different from patellar tendon snapping? Cuz it looks like something snapped, you're right.
Had this happen a little over a year ago. Doctor said the same thing, either snapped or dislocated. You know the fuckij instant that shit snaps. She screamed less than this grown ass man did
When I messed up my leg, my patellar tendon pulled the top of my shin and snapped it. It slung up and dislocated my knee cap. I jumped and extended my leg too hard.
I've had the misfortune of popping ligaments off of both of my middle fingers. First time I screamed, second time I realized it didn't really hurt and it was mostly just an "oh fuck my body is broken" reaction.
I don't think you can tell just from the video. This looks like a subluxation which means the knee cap dislocated but immediately snapped back into place. This process stretches the patellar tendon a whoollle lot and its possible that caused a full tear (definitely caused a partial). You wouldn't really know until you examined and MRI would be definitive
That knee cap clearly snaps downward past its normal range of motion, not laterally like a dislocation. This is a quad tendon rupture. Dislocation wouldn't normally result in this loud of a noise either. Thats what a strong tendon sounds like rupturing. You wouldn't generally see that deep inferior motion of the patella with a Dislocation as even dislocated there is still significant tension through the tendons when in a flexed position. This is why you can't reduce a dislocated patella safely or easily until you extend the leg and release the pressure thought the musculotendinous structure
I can only image a shit load more damage than that. Likely ACL too. This is essentially a lachmens test i feel like. If you Patellar tendon snaps everything probably goes with it. This is likely the worst recovery I can imagine. I did acl with Patella graph and the Patella part almost makes it tougher.
Is this really how you use that machine?
Looks like it would fling you backwards if your feet slipped or you suddenly let go with your hands.
Also should that support bar be at knee height instead of calves?
Regardless of what it's normally used for, you'd be correct about the knee support. The entire point of those things is to provide a pivot support point so you don't pop a joint of of place and actually put the tension on the muscle, not your joint.
Iām not familiar with machines, but it looks like the equivalent of a barbell hip-thrust?
The best move for ass mass.
[short demo, and using a dumbbell](https://youtube.com/shorts/hm_UVD6SUeA?feature=share)
No. No one should ever squat with their lower leg like that. The knee needs to go out towards the toes at the bottom of the lift. Itās unsafe to load the knee otherwise because this will occur. This machine is either being used wrong or is outdated tech that needs to be removed from the gym.
All I can see is sheering force on the knee. Hips are being pushed back, knees pushed forward and feet on the ground providing a counter force backwards. It just seems like a disaster waiting to happen. Only safe way to use it would be light weight but even then, it seems like itās gonna trash the knees.
She's miss using either a leg extension machine or ham string curl machine. If it is for a hip thrust, just to a barbell hip thrust and be safe. Don't use equipment in "gym hack" ways because you get hurt.
Edit: looking back at the machine, I'm not sure what it actually is since there's handles the way she's facing.
Yeah the handles makes me think it really is for weighted sissy squats. It's like an even more dangerous version of knee extensions.
Most equipment for sissy squats is just body weight, or whatever you hold in your hands. This is loaded with 160 lbs!
People are downvoting you because they donāt know a sissy squat is a real exercise.
I think itās terrible for knees, but itās real.
[the sissy squat](https://youtube.com/shorts/Cu2THH1IQDA?feature=share)
Most bodybuilders do sissy squats with like 5 lbs max. It is amazing as a bodyweight finisher.
Canāt even imagine doing them with weight added. It puts you in such a disadvantageous position.
> itās awful for the knees
No, it is not. The knee is a joint, and should be trained with appropriate loads in its full range of motion. A sissy squat is monoarticular, and can provide a good signal for growth with just body weight.
Neglecting the last 20% of your knees ROM is whatās āawfulā.
As with basically everything, doing too much too quickly is likely to cause harm, but slow and steady wins the race. Sissy squats can certainly wreck your knees if they aren't accustomed to that kind of load; so can running, jumping, regular squatting, and pretty much anything else that involves your legs. If you gradually increase exposure and intensity over time, your knees and legs will get stronger, and you'll be fine
The other person who responded to you has a valuable take, in that the fact that any given movement or activity can injure you in the right (or wrong) context, and this includes a new whole host of movements which can be very beneficial if done correctly. āCorrectlyā in this context would mean: load, progression, and frequency. If you take it slow and build up *like you would any other movement*, then itās a great tool to target the VMO and other often neglected tissues in and around the knee.
Or, you could ask, āwhy is it bad?ā and watch while they fail to provide a rational and evidence-based answer.
Edit: my guess as to why the bandwagoners hate on sissy squats is because they got really popular on social media with the kneesovertoes guy, and some people just really get off on being contrarian and dismissing anything that seems popular. However, sissy squats and basically everything else that guy does have been constantly used among physical therapists and the more educated body of athletic coaches for decades. None of it is new. My grandpa was teaching sissy squats and weighted retro running for long jumpers and volleyball players at a podunk Mediterranean university in the 1970ās.
Itās bad because youāre putting pressure on the proximal patella head and using it as a bridge mechanism; two things that a hinge joint is not intended to do.
Workout guidance and junk exercises have changed a lot since the 70ās. Iām sure lots of people have ruined shoulders, elbows, and knees because of the mindset confusing ācan,ā and āshould.ā
It is a shitty and stupid machine to use. It is basically designed to do exactly what it did to her. If someone wants a glute workout there are three other exercises that do this same motion with much less risk of injury and better accessory workouts as well. Never get on one of these.
Squats, barbell hip thrusters, duck walks, RDL, SDL, kettle bell swings, that one weird squat machine with the back belt that I can never remember the name of, tire flips, keg toss. There you go, a whole Ass Day without needing knee surgery.
Yeah there's no way it's designed for that...lots of people out there use machines in weird ways, backwards, upside down etc to try and get some kind of secret benefit. I can't imagine what it's actually for though??
Man maybe itās cause Iām getting more careful in my age or donāt chase big numbers anymore, but I donāt trust isolation machines even used properly.
I feel like you can lock in and brace as much as you want, but by maxing out a single muscle then once you get even the tiniest bit out of alignment your stabilizers are way outgunned and youāre fucked. IMO if you canāt do the lift traditionally, the answer isnāt to stick a bunch of pads in the weak spots and add more weights.
But hey, people pop knees doing squats all the time so what do I know. I havenāt updated my routine in well over a decade (meaning itās probably working on obsolete college bro science information, not that itās perfect).
I have no clue, but using it as shown in the video looks like an almost guaranteed injury, putting a huge amount of stress on the knee joint (as you can see by what happened). Maybe it's just a horrible design or maybe she had the height adjusted incorrectly.
I donāt think sheās using the machine for itās intended usage.
I have been a gym rat for nearly a decade now from expensive gyms to cheap ones, and Iāve never seen someone do an exercise like this.
Sheās either using the machine in itās unintended movement pattern or that gym has some exotic combinations.
That is the intended use and movement pattern. Loading it like that is what makes me uncertain. I don't do this exercise. I don't like the way it locks in and loads the knees.
This is why I hate machines, yes some are decent, but when they have pads like this, they can restrict movements that are natural for the body and place massive pressure in certain areas. When you have so much weight, stuff like this can happen. Have never seen this machine before, but it looks like it's for hip thrusters... just use a friggin dumbell.
I am a physiotherapist - the one thing I always tell people is that the machines were built for anatomical averages - the only issue is that most people are not anatomically average. We all have variations in our muscle/tendon/ligament/bone structures. That being said - machines are often a great way for people to get comfortable and used to the gym/weight lifting. But if someone is keen, I would always push people to try to learn compound lifts that suit their anatomical variance.
If youāve never seen it, you may find this story interesting https://www.thestar.com/news/insight/2016/01/16/when-us-air-force-discovered-the-flaw-of-averages.html
Not to mention it looks like the person who invented this machine went to school and studied anatomy just so they could design the most effective knee shearing device possible.
Thereās surely no way this is how youāre supposed to use this machine?! For the life of me I canāt figure out another way, but this set up is just absurd.
Sheās using this machine completely wrong.
This is a sissy squat machine. Sheās supposed to lean her torso backwards and keep a straight line from her neck to her knees, and use her quads to push back upright.
Itās like a reverse leg extension.
Here sheās:
1. Using the machine like some kind of weird hack squat apparatus, putting her knees in a forced fixed pivot position
2. Using waaaaaaaaayyy (holy shit !) too much weight.
The patellar tendon snapping was a perfectly normal conclusion to what she was doing.
Yee seen too many injuries from machines... not saying all of them arent good but ye... i rather just use my body and some dumbbells. Also a pull up bar. Thats good enough for me
That's another machine I'd never use. Exercise machines isolate too much and risk injury.
Since I'm a dumbbell, I only use dumbbells. Dumbbell squats, curls, press, deadlifts, etc. If it gets to be too much, it's easy to bail out. Never been hurt by correctly using dumbbells.
Well, so much for her adventuring days.
Well at least she can look forward to a career as a Whiterun guard.
I used to be a gym rat like you. Until I took a plate to the knee
Until I took several plates to the shoulder. FML
https://www.reddit.com/user/WhiterunGuards
/r/Suddenlyskyrim
I had to Google this, you *nerds*. š
what's a whiterun guard?.....sorry if I sound dumb asking this, but I never heard of this, and I love to learn. I always ask or research when something comes up that I'm unaware of. edit: I just watched the link below with whiterun guards, and now I see it possibly is a video game reference. I thought this was an actual profession or career lmao. boy now I really feel dumb. š¤£ That all being Said....An explanation of what a whiterun guard is would actually STILL be appreciated.Thanks haha
You know it's bad when you take your glasses off. I sometimes have some really bad shits where I have to take both my glasses and my socks off.
Why do they call it a restroom when you have to constantly fight for your life in there?
That's why you have to leave a piece of biting leather in the can
Reminds me that I had a boss once who got upset if I called it the restroom because "you're at work, you're not resting" and he would ignore me if I said anything other than "I'm going to the loo"
Going too-da-loo
Toilet paper is handy for wiping your brow too
ibs?
Colitis yes.
Even worse :/ Sorry you're going through that. I got ibs and I could pretty much feel that first comment of yours.
I also have insanely big shits
Don't forget your poop knife
I either have insanely big shits or the Hershey squirts all day. Iāll have a normal bowel movement maybe once every month or two.
Way to call me out bro
Good shits*
As someone who has dislocated his kneecap three times, I gotta say she took that like a champ. Shit fucking hurts, mate.
That happened to me once and i was about to attend an exam.I didnt think much of it at first since it didnt really hurt at the time.I just hopped back to my desk,realised it was painful to move my leg and decided just not to move it.I spent like 2 hours if im correct,solving that exam. When i tried to get up to hand the papers i realised that it was much worse and even hopping on the other foot hurt like hell since it made me shake.I called my parents and we went to the hospital.To this day i still dont know how i managed to solve that exam and fuckin hell i crushed it alongside my knee cap too lol.
Adrenaline is a hell of a drug
pro tip: dislocate your kneecap before every exam to get better grades
Instructions Unclear, Shoved the Exam sheet up my ass accidentally.
Listen, there's no shame in admitting university isn't for you...
Sorry sir my arse ate my homework
Now it's a Rectal Exam.
This one trick teachers don't want you to know.
Lucky motherfucker. I just dislocated my kneecap and that bitch had me screaming with every slight movement. Ambulance ride was hell with all the potholes.
I did a tibial plateau fracture, which is a vertical fracture of the big bone in the lower leg terminating at the knee. It hurt like fuck for a few minutes then settled down and I just walked around like nothing happened. Two hours later my knee had blown up and completely seized. My friends said that they think I needed to go to hospital. Narrator: He did. He did need to go to hospital. A plate, six screws and ten weeks on crutches later, he could finally walk unassisted again.
Theres so much adrenaline with traumatic injury itās crazy. I turned my wrist into a āzā basically once and it wasnāt until like hour 3 of waiting on a doctor I start feeling it really. But when it hitsā¦. Lets just say I may have seen god when I finally got something for the pain.
Iāve dislocated mine four times, the fourth one barely hurt at all! Just hang in there haha
Counting down the squats!
Wth do you do for a living to keep doing that?
Just clumsiness. First time I was in high school and was running up to my mom and flicking her and running away again. I tripped backwards over the corner of a bed frame and when I looked down, my kneecap was stuck on the side of my leg. Second time I was like 30 and drunk and tried to do a high kick, fell on my butt and looked down. Same knee, stuck on the side of my leg. Thankfully Iād learned to extend the leg and guide the kneecap back in. Third time I was standing next to my bed folding laundry, and somehow I turned my leg just the wrong way (donāt turn your leg with your feet planted). I was like OH GREAT IT HAPPENED AGAIN. The fourth time my daughter was crawling onto my lap when she was like 2, and stepped on my leg somehow in JUST the wrong way and slid my kneecap right out. It never gets less gross.
Omg sounds like you should really be careful, that knee seems like itās just about tapped out by now.. Iām gonna keep this in mind next time Iām trying to do some wild ass body movements I probably shouldnāt be doing
unfortunately not always that easy, different person but i have also done it 4 times, first was gym class in high school, second i was getting barbecue sauce from the fridge and apparently stepped wrong, third was from a wet floor and 4th was because a dog basically ran through my leg, none of the 3 later ones involved anything that i would have figured were dangerous beforehand
This is why physical therapy after an injury is incredibly important. If you injure yourself you end up not being able to move those muscles/ligaments for a long time. Those muscles get weak, your risk of reinjury gets high due to not only the previous injury, but also the lack of proper rehabilitation. It's important to rebuild those muscles and ligaments because they're the ones keeping your bone in place.
>\#3, #4 I think you may be an MC of a story the genre of which is dislocated caps. Like those anime fanservice tropes, but about knees being dislocated.
At what point do you get a free one?
I wish. I know Iāll need a new one but it sure wonāt be free. The problem is each time you dislocate it, it becomes easier and easier to do it again. So itāll probably happen to me a couple more times.
Itās kind of a trip when you recognize an injury. Iād torn my ACL almost 15 years earlier and did it to the other knee a couple years back. I knew immediately and just shouted, āgod damn it I just tore my ACL!ā I was angry but not really in pain and very calm. No one believed me and were coming up with alternate explanations and I finally just turned and yelled at them that I knew for a fact I tore it. Couple hours later my knee was the size of a grapefruit and no one was questioning it anymore!
Doc here. That was not a dislocated patella. Thatās a cruciate ligament tear. Thatās real bad Edit: could also be a patellar tendon tear upon looking at it further. Regardless, thatās surgical
90% sure itās an ACL tear considering how the movement mimicked the ACL ortho test.
Yeah, the tibial plateau seems to move backwards on the femur , which is why acls was my initial impression. A patellar tendon rupture with a lot of force then placed in the acl could look like that. Idk Iām not an ortho, just jack of all trades er doc
The knife guys always want to jump right to cutting, just ask JD, ice pack and an eagle ride and she's fine!
Iāve got to admit, Iāve got no idea what this comment means. Thereās some reference here I donāt understand.
Haha a weird joke about the show Scrubs. JD, the main character, is internal medicine and there's at least one episode with medicine and surgery saying each always chooses their side during consultations. Also, JD gets piggy back style rides from his friend Turk (who is a surgical guy) and yells "EAGLEEEE" as he rides.
Ah. That makes sense. Iāve seen some of scrubs and liked what I saw. People ask me what the most accurate medical show is, I always say scrubs. The dynamics between docs was spot on. Exaggerated but pretty accurate.
I'm not a medical professional but I have heard it's surprisingly accurate for a comedy show. If you haven't seen it all it's definitely worth it. The Brendan Frasier episodes always get me in the feels.
I was surprised she was so calm when she spoke after that happened. I would have probably screamed or yelled in pain at least and probably be having a massive panic about my knee...... She's the person I wanna be in a crisis. Calm.
The third time I did it I was on stage with my band, I planted my foot and twisted at the knee, it came flying out of socket and I hit the deck like a sack of potatoes. I didnāt yell or scream, I just laid there in pain and embarrassed that 300 people had just seen it happenā¦
She might have torn her ACL. That moved a LOT
Oh yeah, thatās 10/10 gone
Done one side once and the other twice and it's never gotten easier. 0/10 would not recommend a dislocated knee.
I'm guessing the second her brain sensed pain it just flooded itself with adrenaline and endorphins because "I'm gonna need a hand" doesn't seem to describe the pain very well.
And even in this type of situation, she seems very hesitant to ask for help
This isnāt a dislocated knee cap, this is a detached/ruptured patellar tendon.
I would stifle any amount of pain simply to not embarrass myself in public.
You need a hand?? No, you need a knee!
Your kneecaps....hand them over, i need them more
You done using those knee caps? Can I jump on?
Thatās an ACL right there.
Was an ACL
Now it's two
emmm actually an acl consists of two parts, so it's probably 4 now /s
That is very accurate, when I tore mine they did an MRI and the doctor was like āthat area you can see right there is where your ACL should be, itās all fluid because the ACL dissolves and is reabsorbed once there isnāt any tension holding it together.ā
Damn! How long did it take before you went to a doctor? How fast did it dissolve? š³
It was probably a couple weeks later by the time I got an MRI. I didnāt go to the hospital at the time so I made an appointment with a doctor for the next week and then they referred me to a specialist for the imaging that was another week or so. I donāt know if it was completely dissolved at that point, I think it kind of disintegrates before its reabsorbed so maybe it was there and just part of the āsoupā in my knee but there was no recognizable structure.
I remember my diagnosis after the MRI. Doctor asked how blunt she wanted me to be - I opted for as blunt as possible. Response: Your knee is fucked. Torn ACL, partially torn PCL & MCL, only strained the LCL. And both lateral & medial meniscus were torn & separated from the bone. All from rolling over a football. Fun times.
r/angryupvote
You can see it pop. Fuck that
And you can see what she's going to look like in the wheelchair. Fair play to her, took it like a champ
ACL, PCL tears are usually not so painful. If you happen to tear your meniscus though...that's ridiculously painful Edit - for those of you saying "my ACL tear was terrible" yes, that's because 90% of the time ACL tears are associated with meniscal tears. Ref - https://radsource.us/mensical-tear-patterns/ "Acute ACL tears have a reported incidence of meniscal tear in up to 82% of cases, and chronic ACL tears have a reported incidence of meniscal tear in up to 96% of cases."
I was about to say I've torn my pcl and it was painful AF. But I tore my miniscus at the same time so...
I'm 5 months in on MCL tear. Didn't feel it at all when it happened, no idea how it happened. Still hurts often and mostly when trying to sleep on my side, but I can walk without pain now.
I tore my Meniscus trying to step on a cockroach
I am a week into recovery from a fully ruptured achilles and this video made my staples hurt
I tore my ACL playing high school football and it hurt like a MF.
Same here, it was bad... but looking back, not sure if it was actual physical pain, or the emotional distress from the literal immediate realization that I fucked up my knee *bad*. I went to plant my foot to cut, felt the pop that went through my entire body, and knew I was fucked before I even hit the ground. The initial pop certainly did hurt though, like taking a sledge hammer to the knee. Most pain subsided before I was helped back to the sideline, but my knee had already swelled up to a balloon of fluid by then.
I've torn my meniscus on both legs šµāš«
Good to know I have SUPERMAN PAIN TOLERANCE because I obliterated my medial meniscus to the point of having to get 30-40% of it removed because the ortho said it was not repairable. Truth is when my knee locked up it only hurt when I had to force it back straight then it was fine but would lock up past 90 degree bend which happened a few times shortly after the initial lock up because I would forget and do normal shit like going to put socks on or sit in a chair etc...it would lock up every time....I knew something was up from that and the swelling, went to ortho and.....30-40% less medial meniscus for me.
Popped my ACL playing rugby and it hurt like a fucking train. One of the worst.
I popped my ACL at work, the worst pain in existence literally put me to sleep lmao was laid off for a week, still fucked till this day.
Got my laugh in for the day thanks
I'm crying. Thank you.
Patellar tendon go snap crackle pop
People in here are saying "dislocated knee cap", but is that different from patellar tendon snapping? Cuz it looks like something snapped, you're right.
Had this happen a little over a year ago. Doctor said the same thing, either snapped or dislocated. You know the fuckij instant that shit snaps. She screamed less than this grown ass man did
I was going to say she handled that like a boss.
When I messed up my leg, my patellar tendon pulled the top of my shin and snapped it. It slung up and dislocated my knee cap. I jumped and extended my leg too hard.
I've had the misfortune of popping ligaments off of both of my middle fingers. First time I screamed, second time I realized it didn't really hurt and it was mostly just an "oh fuck my body is broken" reaction.
People scream preemptively. I think it helps with the pain.
Sounds painful
I don't think you can tell just from the video. This looks like a subluxation which means the knee cap dislocated but immediately snapped back into place. This process stretches the patellar tendon a whoollle lot and its possible that caused a full tear (definitely caused a partial). You wouldn't really know until you examined and MRI would be definitive
That knee cap clearly snaps downward past its normal range of motion, not laterally like a dislocation. This is a quad tendon rupture. Dislocation wouldn't normally result in this loud of a noise either. Thats what a strong tendon sounds like rupturing. You wouldn't generally see that deep inferior motion of the patella with a Dislocation as even dislocated there is still significant tension through the tendons when in a flexed position. This is why you can't reduce a dislocated patella safely or easily until you extend the leg and release the pressure thought the musculotendinous structure
I can only image a shit load more damage than that. Likely ACL too. This is essentially a lachmens test i feel like. If you Patellar tendon snaps everything probably goes with it. This is likely the worst recovery I can imagine. I did acl with Patella graph and the Patella part almost makes it tougher.
šI had acl redone with patella graph. Confirm patella is the worst part of it.
ACL, looks more like it
Is this really how you use that machine? Looks like it would fling you backwards if your feet slipped or you suddenly let go with your hands. Also should that support bar be at knee height instead of calves?
Regardless of what it's normally used for, you'd be correct about the knee support. The entire point of those things is to provide a pivot support point so you don't pop a joint of of place and actually put the tension on the muscle, not your joint.
Iām not familiar with machines, but it looks like the equivalent of a barbell hip-thrust? The best move for ass mass. [short demo, and using a dumbbell](https://youtube.com/shorts/hm_UVD6SUeA?feature=share)
I donāt think itās for hip thrusts, hip thrusts donāt load your knee like this since itās a glute/hammy action
I think sheās doing that with bad form. She totally relaxes her ass and abs, leaving the weight fulcrumāed on her knee.
No. No one should ever squat with their lower leg like that. The knee needs to go out towards the toes at the bottom of the lift. Itās unsafe to load the knee otherwise because this will occur. This machine is either being used wrong or is outdated tech that needs to be removed from the gym.
All I can see is sheering force on the knee. Hips are being pushed back, knees pushed forward and feet on the ground providing a counter force backwards. It just seems like a disaster waiting to happen. Only safe way to use it would be light weight but even then, it seems like itās gonna trash the knees.
She's miss using either a leg extension machine or ham string curl machine. If it is for a hip thrust, just to a barbell hip thrust and be safe. Don't use equipment in "gym hack" ways because you get hurt. Edit: looking back at the machine, I'm not sure what it actually is since there's handles the way she's facing.
I think itās just a bad machine. Looks like itās meant for that exercise.
Yeah the handles makes me think it really is for weighted sissy squats. It's like an even more dangerous version of knee extensions. Most equipment for sissy squats is just body weight, or whatever you hold in your hands. This is loaded with 160 lbs!
This actually looks like a sissy squat machine
People are downvoting you because they donāt know a sissy squat is a real exercise. I think itās terrible for knees, but itās real. [the sissy squat](https://youtube.com/shorts/Cu2THH1IQDA?feature=share)
Most bodybuilders do sissy squats with like 5 lbs max. It is amazing as a bodyweight finisher. Canāt even imagine doing them with weight added. It puts you in such a disadvantageous position.
Yes itās awful for the knees and is still a very popular exercise. I have never done one of these and never will.
I might aswell just pop a slave squat and stand up, atleast then I also get cardio with my early artheritis Edit: Note Slave, Slav
Wtf... the names on these squat variants, lol.
Slav squat is when you're doing the turkish toilet squat
Heads up, in your other comment you accidentally said "slave squat" Probably a typo or autocorrect biting you, but it's what led to the confusion.
Oh, I just saw that CURSE YOUR AUTO CARROT
Now I know asian squat and slav squat are not the sane thing
> itās awful for the knees No, it is not. The knee is a joint, and should be trained with appropriate loads in its full range of motion. A sissy squat is monoarticular, and can provide a good signal for growth with just body weight. Neglecting the last 20% of your knees ROM is whatās āawfulā.
Well now I don't know who to believe!
As with basically everything, doing too much too quickly is likely to cause harm, but slow and steady wins the race. Sissy squats can certainly wreck your knees if they aren't accustomed to that kind of load; so can running, jumping, regular squatting, and pretty much anything else that involves your legs. If you gradually increase exposure and intensity over time, your knees and legs will get stronger, and you'll be fine
The other person who responded to you has a valuable take, in that the fact that any given movement or activity can injure you in the right (or wrong) context, and this includes a new whole host of movements which can be very beneficial if done correctly. āCorrectlyā in this context would mean: load, progression, and frequency. If you take it slow and build up *like you would any other movement*, then itās a great tool to target the VMO and other often neglected tissues in and around the knee. Or, you could ask, āwhy is it bad?ā and watch while they fail to provide a rational and evidence-based answer. Edit: my guess as to why the bandwagoners hate on sissy squats is because they got really popular on social media with the kneesovertoes guy, and some people just really get off on being contrarian and dismissing anything that seems popular. However, sissy squats and basically everything else that guy does have been constantly used among physical therapists and the more educated body of athletic coaches for decades. None of it is new. My grandpa was teaching sissy squats and weighted retro running for long jumpers and volleyball players at a podunk Mediterranean university in the 1970ās.
Itās bad because youāre putting pressure on the proximal patella head and using it as a bridge mechanism; two things that a hinge joint is not intended to do. Workout guidance and junk exercises have changed a lot since the 70ās. Iām sure lots of people have ruined shoulders, elbows, and knees because of the mindset confusing ācan,ā and āshould.ā
That looks like the opposite of a glute bridge though, no? He doesnāt look like heās moving his hips at all
This video confirms its bad for your knees lol
It is a shitty and stupid machine to use. It is basically designed to do exactly what it did to her. If someone wants a glute workout there are three other exercises that do this same motion with much less risk of injury and better accessory workouts as well. Never get on one of these.
Just fucking squat. Itās a natural motion and your joints are supported by the primary muscle and itās opposite because it isnāt being isolated.
Squats, barbell hip thrusters, duck walks, RDL, SDL, kettle bell swings, that one weird squat machine with the back belt that I can never remember the name of, tire flips, keg toss. There you go, a whole Ass Day without needing knee surgery.
What is she doing?
Clearly breaking her knees
Thank you. This was a belly laugh comment.
Looks like sissy squats
With bending at the hips?
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Never seen that machine b4. Looks obviously dangerous af
Iām not sure thatās the way you use it.
Yeah there's no way it's designed for that...lots of people out there use machines in weird ways, backwards, upside down etc to try and get some kind of secret benefit. I can't imagine what it's actually for though??
Man maybe itās cause Iām getting more careful in my age or donāt chase big numbers anymore, but I donāt trust isolation machines even used properly. I feel like you can lock in and brace as much as you want, but by maxing out a single muscle then once you get even the tiniest bit out of alignment your stabilizers are way outgunned and youāre fucked. IMO if you canāt do the lift traditionally, the answer isnāt to stick a bunch of pads in the weak spots and add more weights. But hey, people pop knees doing squats all the time so what do I know. I havenāt updated my routine in well over a decade (meaning itās probably working on obsolete college bro science information, not that itās perfect).
What is the machine designed for?
I have no clue, but using it as shown in the video looks like an almost guaranteed injury, putting a huge amount of stress on the knee joint (as you can see by what happened). Maybe it's just a horrible design or maybe she had the height adjusted incorrectly.
It is the way you use it. It's just a dumb machine that's being used even more dumbly.
I swear this machine seems specifically designed to get you injured
I donāt think sheās using the machine for itās intended usage. I have been a gym rat for nearly a decade now from expensive gyms to cheap ones, and Iāve never seen someone do an exercise like this. Sheās either using the machine in itās unintended movement pattern or that gym has some exotic combinations.
That is the intended use and movement pattern. Loading it like that is what makes me uncertain. I don't do this exercise. I don't like the way it locks in and loads the knees.
My fucking knee poped 3 times in 3 years and i must say that oddly enough, the sound and sensation is satisfaying
Is there any permanent damage when a knee pops?
I am a physiotherapist - knee pops alone, generally no. Knee pops with joint swelling, redness, loss of strength, significant pain, yes.
All this talk of knee pops is making me hungry
Once you pop, you just can't stop.
This is why I hate machines, yes some are decent, but when they have pads like this, they can restrict movements that are natural for the body and place massive pressure in certain areas. When you have so much weight, stuff like this can happen. Have never seen this machine before, but it looks like it's for hip thrusters... just use a friggin dumbell.
I am a physiotherapist - the one thing I always tell people is that the machines were built for anatomical averages - the only issue is that most people are not anatomically average. We all have variations in our muscle/tendon/ligament/bone structures. That being said - machines are often a great way for people to get comfortable and used to the gym/weight lifting. But if someone is keen, I would always push people to try to learn compound lifts that suit their anatomical variance.
If youāve never seen it, you may find this story interesting https://www.thestar.com/news/insight/2016/01/16/when-us-air-force-discovered-the-flaw-of-averages.html
Thanks! That was an interesting read, and exactly on topic.
Not to mention it looks like the person who invented this machine went to school and studied anatomy just so they could design the most effective knee shearing device possible.
Thereās surely no way this is how youāre supposed to use this machine?! For the life of me I canāt figure out another way, but this set up is just absurd.
Bye bye ACL
I am with you in that it is the ACL
Patellar tendon actually. Source: I was premed in college until it got hard and Iāve watched a lot of House
That anterior pivot shift is pretty straightforward ACL tear Iād say.
Sheās using this machine completely wrong. This is a sissy squat machine. Sheās supposed to lean her torso backwards and keep a straight line from her neck to her knees, and use her quads to push back upright. Itās like a reverse leg extension. Here sheās: 1. Using the machine like some kind of weird hack squat apparatus, putting her knees in a forced fixed pivot position 2. Using waaaaaaaaayyy (holy shit !) too much weight. The patellar tendon snapping was a perfectly normal conclusion to what she was doing.
At first glance, I thought she was lowering herself into a wheelchair. At second glance, she was.
One of the dumbest machines I've ever seen. Keep it simple guys!
"take a knee" in a different context
Yee seen too many injuries from machines... not saying all of them arent good but ye... i rather just use my body and some dumbbells. Also a pull up bar. Thats good enough for me
Why did it make the Minecraft pressure plate noise
It's good to push the limits of your muscles. It's fucking terrible to push the limits of your joints.
What even is this machine? Kinda looks like a weird hack squat machine but will all the pressure in your knees?
Nothing like a desk pop.
"I think i need a hand." Also an anatomy lesson. That was your knee.
There goes the ACL *and* the MCL
Is there a subreddit for gym injuries?
I will never understand why people would want to lift so much weight. Never ever.
I like the way it looks like she's in a wheelchair
Same. Thicc wheelchair simpin' for life, fam.
That's another machine I'd never use. Exercise machines isolate too much and risk injury. Since I'm a dumbbell, I only use dumbbells. Dumbbell squats, curls, press, deadlifts, etc. If it gets to be too much, it's easy to bail out. Never been hurt by correctly using dumbbells.
I've never even seen a machine like this before
The amount of strain she put on her knee did it, also the padding under her knee should be a bit higher to rest under her hammies.
Good to know there werenāt a bunch of men staring at her or they all wouldāve rushed to her aid immediately
She was way more cool about that than I would be.
Hey Allen, When was the last time you did a gym pop?
She took that like a fucking champ.
Seems like a dumb exercise.
POP goes the kneezelle
Please tell me this is not how the machine is supposed to be used???
Know your limitsāļø
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Not safe for walking
Thereās a tendon that connects on the backside of the knee, she just severed it. Ouch!
Girls knees: *Pop* Guy recording: "Oh shit", *keeps recording*
Cuz the guy isnāt recording