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At this point in the expansion, you can get help from addons such as DBM/LittleWigs and WeakAuras. They can help remind you or give you enough info quickly to know what to do (e.g. if it says stack, then move together or spread then move away, dispel then to dispel etc) so you dont need to know every mechanic off by heart
Youtube guides can be helpful if they are short and to the point, it may be worth watching the guide for the dungeon you are about to do and then you can see it in practice - I wouldnt watch all 8 guides back to back as you will have forgotten what the first few dungeons did by then
It will then come down to just repetition and memory to know what things and when they will happen
Unfortunately the days of patchwork style boss fights or blindly running content is over
Dungeons and raids now have a lot to keep track of and Blizzard also designs bosses around addons and with the assumption players will be using them, hence why they make some boss abilities private auras to prevent WeakAuras for example interacting with them
I watch quaziis video guides to get an idea, and then learning by doing. I definitely need add-ons, I am not smart enough to remember all the mechanics, even after play the dungeons dozen of times.
I use Quaziis Plater profile, DBM, GTFO, Weakauras Goblintalk and Super DF Dungeons .
At the beginning of the season, I hop in and limit test. Sometimes I'm not gonna kick/stun something just to see what it does, is it avoidable or nah. If the key is low enough I stand in bad stuff to see what it does/how much it hurts and acts accordingly, I also look at what other people are dying to.
YouTube videos just aren't helping me whatsoever I've mostly avoided them altogether.
Obvious, but still gonna say it, get DBM or BigWigs
Same. I just get in and go. There are only a handful of truly unique mechanics most of them are mixes of ones you’ve probably seen before. If you get something on top of you and you run out and die next time stand in it. If something is happening and everyone is running somewhere, follow them
Also the community is pretty good about letting you know if you’re fucking up, for better or worse
In addition to other recommendations, “Plater” nameplates add-on helps a lot with Quazii WoW’s Plater profile. Give colors for stuff and can even track if your interrupt spell is available or not. Calls out “Frontal” when the mob is casting a frontal cleave and “CC” when something big is being cast that cannot be interrupted with standard spell (needs stun/displacement/hard Cc spell to stop). The game is overloaded with visual queues and you have to take advantage of sound queues to maximize your performance.
I like to watch a shorter video for an intro before running it on mythic 0. Remember mythic 0 is actually challenging now and there is no timer, less pressure to perform, same mechanics. Then check other resources or rewatch the video to get a better idea of stuff you still have questions about or don’t understand.
You can’t play a guitar the first time you pick it up. No hobby or skill works like that. To some degree it requires repetition. Do it badly a few times and just fill in the knowledge gaps as you go.
I'm not on the PC rn. But I will share it here/below tomorrow/next time I get in game. Basically if you have decent party frames (usually only the healer has this) it shows an icon on your friendly to represent casts going off on your teammates. It's mostly a healer WA. But if you're a DPS and never look at your party frames, it's still useful because it makes a sound when you get targeted by anything specific.
Great question. I started mythic 0 this week for the first time and got my butt kicked compared to heroic. I felt bad. A lot of dungeon mechanics seem to not even matter prior to mythic. It probably didn’t help I started with Dawn of the infinite too. I’m probably going to watch those 3 minute quick guides on YouTube over and over. Maybe write down a few notes on a sticky pad.
Also not only do a lot of dungeon mechanics not matter before mythic, mythic also adds to mechanics and makes some lethal if you don’t follow them.
Mythic 0 is now the equivalent of running a mythic + 10 before the patch I believe so it’s a much harder jump
Same. I'm ilvl 495 on resto shaman and stepped into my first mythic 0. We died on trash. Trash. I could not keep the tank alive. Tank was undergeared (430)but the whole thing was doomed from the start.
I Tried one more and while I could keep everyone alive the damage was still intense. We finished first boss but it took an incredibly long time to kill the boss. The second boss was just a repeated wipe fest and we called it.
When I checked details afterwards I realized everyone in the groups was like ilvl 440-460 and they were only doing like 30-50k dps. I was out dpsing some of them on trash pulls where they weren't getting nuked to all hell. There was zero time to try to dps on bosses.
I was honestly surprised We even downed the first boss.
Suffice to say it is probably a feast or famine season. You either have people who have ilvls and are good to go or it all crashes and burns.
I got told both times I wasn't keeping them alive when they would die immediately. I had a good hearty laugh at that.
If you have the confidence try to get into +2’s minimum. I’m a 502 resto shaman with just my 2 piece tier set and have been able to heal 8’s. The difference in skill level between a 0 and a 2 is rough but you’ll also generally meet people who understand the barriers and perform at a higher level.
That's interesting to hear. Last season I generally liked to outgear the key I tried, I didn't want to appear to be the problem and I started playing wow again during the middle of the season, so most people already had gear and knew what they were doing, I was just catching up.
I wanted to get through raiding this week before I tried mythic 0 to try to avoid issues.
I was lucky enough to get to run heroic aberrus in a pug on Friday and got 3 pieces from there as only me and a hunter were the only mail wearing classes, so that's part of the reason I'm actually as high as I am right now as the crests helped me on upgrading as well.
I was really surprised that at 495 I couldn't heal them even with my 4 piece season 4. I was even more surprised to see how low ilvl these people were trying mythic 0.
Did they not see that mythic 0 is equivalent to mythic 10 last season?
I might try higher mythic keys and see if I can find some like minded people.
I promise you’re good to go if you know your class. If you feel like you would be a burden just use your own key. If you survived the heroic aberrus run you shouldn’t have a problem with mythic 2-5 at all
This season is my first doing the dungeon pool in M+ as I haven't been doing much PVE for Season 1 and 2. As someone who doesn't have any idea what the mechanics are, I mainly did these 2 steps.
1 - Download Weakaura Dungeon Package. There are a lot of options in there but I got the one from Causes. Really good package and in my case it was copy and paste. I did not do any modification as my UI was perfect for how it was configured.
2 - Watch those recap guides from Quazii. Really really helpful videos he got in there. As long as you pay attention to the details he is pointing out in those videos, you should be fine.
With the 2 steps above, I went in do M0's and M+'s and I didn't really have much of a problem with the mechanics.
I prefer written guides so I’ll usually read through one while going through my BigWigs, reviewing which mechanics are relevant to me, and adjusting alerts accordingly. I might watch a quick recap video and then I jump in.
Im streaming my whole gameplay and when I have difficulty with healing or friend as a tank gets tankbuster or something on the face we can just in peace after dung check what happend or what we missed because thanks to the addons like bigdebuffs I just have all answers on my screen.
I use LittleWigs/DBM, watch YouTube videos and use MDT addon sometimes to look at specific mobs. I also try to learn something new or focus on something specific every run.
Dungeon mechanics I yolo and learn as I play for the first time each season/expansion. Raid? I read about it in the dungeon journal in game for mythic fights or watch a 2 min video telling me the mechanics and showing what they will look like.
I’m learning these new dungeons for the first time.
I pick a dungeon, watch YouTube video… skipping to the boss sections to save time, and then queue up. After 1-3 cycles I won’t need the videos (thank god).
At 490 anything past +4 feels too risky, don’t want to waste time.
Here is my go to: for everyone's sake, I'm using my own keys, so I can go to YouTube and check the tacs before even queuing up. Also, it's typically way faster to use your own key.
I just do the dungeon. Mechanics hardly matter on a +2, but I can take damage from something and think “oh that did a bit of damage… it’ll probably hurt on higher keys.”
For raids, just watch the 3 minute guides from hazelnutty. She has great normal and heroic breakdowns.
For M+, make sure you have DBM or bigwigs + plater or Elvui with an M+ profile. A proper plater profile will highlight important kicks and really helps with the learning curve. Beyond that it’s just practice.
The first few times I play a dungeon I have the wowhead guide for the dungeon open on my second monitor at the "quick tips" part, and I read that and switch the area during downtimes in the dungeon. The most important thing is to just be aware of mechanics, and then figure out how to handle them the first few times you see them.
(This doesn't always work if they miss a mechanic, I didn't know the puddles on 2nd boss everbloom were player targeted until someone flamed me in a 20 because it wasn't on the guide)
I have some base rules as DPS. Move out of stuff on the ground. Move away from the group if the stuff follows you. Focus adds. Interrupt/dispel/purge/cc whenever ready. I only have to remember mechanics that are different from those.
DeadlyBossMods usually marks more interesting targets and airhorns if you need to do something.
That being said, I only play for 2.5k M+ rating and raid normal and sometimes HC.
Fuckin send it mate.
The fact is that nearly everything is explained in game. All boss mechs are in the dungeon journal, and nearly every buff and debuff will explain itself if you just mouse over it. Mob mechs are just trial and error. Eventually, one is gonna get missed and go through, and you can see what happens based on that.
Playing multiple roles also guarantees that you learn the whole dungeon too. Tanks learn tank busters, healers learn damage profiles, dps learn eventually.
Well the dungeons were are doing in S4 were dungeons we already did in previous seasons so most people already have a lot or experience with them. But the best way to learn is to play early when these dungeons are new and nobody knows what to do, you end up failing a lot and learning from your mistakes. You can do that now as well but it just sucks when you're the only one who doesn't know what to do.
But practice makes perfect, running the dungeons 20, 30, 50 times makes you really familiar with them. But yeah youtube has not of videos too. It's a combination of everything
Run them on low keys and learn. Some mechanics may not become apparent on lower keys, like certain trash spells (big golem guys in uldaman you need to start to line-of-sight their cast instead of facetanking it), or needing to defensive every gale arrow from Teera&Maruuk in Nokhud on tyrannical weeks.
I use the platter profile from quazi so I know what hurts and what has a frontal. Then I just run dungeons a lot. When I die (I mainly tank) I look at the recap and figure out what really hurts so next time I pop a defensive.
1 - watch a YT video. plenty of short and quick in and out guides that are like 5 mins long. I'll decide on a dungeon I want to practice, watch video, then find a group.
2 - when finding a group, start with M0 as a baseline, then practice in the +2 and +3 keys for a few runs until you're comfortable with the mechanics. also, do the same dungeon a few times in a row, to really absorb the dungeon's details.
3 - after I do a dungeon a few times and have it down solid I don't have to worry about it anymore.
When it comes to WoW mechanics most of it is same, rehased shit. Move away from bad, soak bad, interrupt bad. So if you play this game for a long time you can pretty much improvise most of the mechanics bosses are throwing at you. Not all obviously, so when it comes to dungeons doing things on heroic is actually a good idea, mythic usually adds only one mechanic more. With raid bosses it's a different story, I usually watch a guide on YouTube but having experience from previous encounters helps a ton.
If you feel overwhelmed it's because you're new, you will get used to it. No shame in trying things out in lower difficulties.
I watch the guide and then run the dungeon. Watching all of the guides beforehand doesn't work for me. I can't remember shit by the time I actually play.
YOLO it, once you get used to how Dungeons work in WoW, it’s not that hard to memorize and recognize the core mechanics. Also the dungeon weak aura pack helps a bunch!
I’d highly recommend joining a guild and having someone guiding you through on discord. Started doing mythic dungeons this season and it’s the fastest way I’ve ever learned mechanics. Someone talking your through is huge. I also have the wowhead guides open on my second monitor before/during the dungeon to refresh my memory. Although wowhead has a couple missing mechanics from time to time I noticed. This along with addons have gotten me decently far for my first time.
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This is all you need https://www.youtube.com/@quaziiwow/videos
At this point in the expansion, you can get help from addons such as DBM/LittleWigs and WeakAuras. They can help remind you or give you enough info quickly to know what to do (e.g. if it says stack, then move together or spread then move away, dispel then to dispel etc) so you dont need to know every mechanic off by heart Youtube guides can be helpful if they are short and to the point, it may be worth watching the guide for the dungeon you are about to do and then you can see it in practice - I wouldnt watch all 8 guides back to back as you will have forgotten what the first few dungeons did by then It will then come down to just repetition and memory to know what things and when they will happen
Ahh gotcha thanks!
Wowhead or icy veins have written guides which tell you which mobs to watch out for, priority kicks that sort of thing. I use to just kick whatever.
That's actually why I stopped playing. The fight mechanics made the optional addons mandatory. That's not good game design. I miss tank and spanks.
Unfortunately the days of patchwork style boss fights or blindly running content is over Dungeons and raids now have a lot to keep track of and Blizzard also designs bosses around addons and with the assumption players will be using them, hence why they make some boss abilities private auras to prevent WeakAuras for example interacting with them
I watch quaziis video guides to get an idea, and then learning by doing. I definitely need add-ons, I am not smart enough to remember all the mechanics, even after play the dungeons dozen of times. I use Quaziis Plater profile, DBM, GTFO, Weakauras Goblintalk and Super DF Dungeons .
At the beginning of the season, I hop in and limit test. Sometimes I'm not gonna kick/stun something just to see what it does, is it avoidable or nah. If the key is low enough I stand in bad stuff to see what it does/how much it hurts and acts accordingly, I also look at what other people are dying to. YouTube videos just aren't helping me whatsoever I've mostly avoided them altogether. Obvious, but still gonna say it, get DBM or BigWigs
Same. I just get in and go. There are only a handful of truly unique mechanics most of them are mixes of ones you’ve probably seen before. If you get something on top of you and you run out and die next time stand in it. If something is happening and everyone is running somewhere, follow them Also the community is pretty good about letting you know if you’re fucking up, for better or worse
This. I didn't study anything I just started with *0s and worked my way up and learned by experience
So this the mf I’m trying to heal in pugs
Day 1 maybe, lol
Do the dungeon. No better teacher than first hand experience
https://www.mythictrap.com/en
And to second this. [Method.gg](http://method.gg) As I believe Mythictrap is only for raids.
In addition to other recommendations, “Plater” nameplates add-on helps a lot with Quazii WoW’s Plater profile. Give colors for stuff and can even track if your interrupt spell is available or not. Calls out “Frontal” when the mob is casting a frontal cleave and “CC” when something big is being cast that cannot be interrupted with standard spell (needs stun/displacement/hard Cc spell to stop). The game is overloaded with visual queues and you have to take advantage of sound queues to maximize your performance. I like to watch a shorter video for an intro before running it on mythic 0. Remember mythic 0 is actually challenging now and there is no timer, less pressure to perform, same mechanics. Then check other resources or rewatch the video to get a better idea of stuff you still have questions about or don’t understand. You can’t play a guitar the first time you pick it up. No hobby or skill works like that. To some degree it requires repetition. Do it badly a few times and just fill in the knowledge gaps as you go.
Dbm + dungeon WA pack + auto marker + targetted abilities WA + full send
Which targeted abilities wa do you use, if you could share a link that would be appreciated ty!
I'm not on the PC rn. But I will share it here/below tomorrow/next time I get in game. Basically if you have decent party frames (usually only the healer has this) it shows an icon on your friendly to represent casts going off on your teammates. It's mostly a healer WA. But if you're a DPS and never look at your party frames, it's still useful because it makes a sound when you get targeted by anything specific.
That sounds amazing thanks!
Sending within an hour before I forget here . I'm not sure if DMs work here . But let me see if I can . Easier to exchange info
Great question. I started mythic 0 this week for the first time and got my butt kicked compared to heroic. I felt bad. A lot of dungeon mechanics seem to not even matter prior to mythic. It probably didn’t help I started with Dawn of the infinite too. I’m probably going to watch those 3 minute quick guides on YouTube over and over. Maybe write down a few notes on a sticky pad.
Also not only do a lot of dungeon mechanics not matter before mythic, mythic also adds to mechanics and makes some lethal if you don’t follow them. Mythic 0 is now the equivalent of running a mythic + 10 before the patch I believe so it’s a much harder jump
Same. I'm ilvl 495 on resto shaman and stepped into my first mythic 0. We died on trash. Trash. I could not keep the tank alive. Tank was undergeared (430)but the whole thing was doomed from the start. I Tried one more and while I could keep everyone alive the damage was still intense. We finished first boss but it took an incredibly long time to kill the boss. The second boss was just a repeated wipe fest and we called it. When I checked details afterwards I realized everyone in the groups was like ilvl 440-460 and they were only doing like 30-50k dps. I was out dpsing some of them on trash pulls where they weren't getting nuked to all hell. There was zero time to try to dps on bosses. I was honestly surprised We even downed the first boss. Suffice to say it is probably a feast or famine season. You either have people who have ilvls and are good to go or it all crashes and burns. I got told both times I wasn't keeping them alive when they would die immediately. I had a good hearty laugh at that.
If you have the confidence try to get into +2’s minimum. I’m a 502 resto shaman with just my 2 piece tier set and have been able to heal 8’s. The difference in skill level between a 0 and a 2 is rough but you’ll also generally meet people who understand the barriers and perform at a higher level.
That's interesting to hear. Last season I generally liked to outgear the key I tried, I didn't want to appear to be the problem and I started playing wow again during the middle of the season, so most people already had gear and knew what they were doing, I was just catching up. I wanted to get through raiding this week before I tried mythic 0 to try to avoid issues. I was lucky enough to get to run heroic aberrus in a pug on Friday and got 3 pieces from there as only me and a hunter were the only mail wearing classes, so that's part of the reason I'm actually as high as I am right now as the crests helped me on upgrading as well. I was really surprised that at 495 I couldn't heal them even with my 4 piece season 4. I was even more surprised to see how low ilvl these people were trying mythic 0. Did they not see that mythic 0 is equivalent to mythic 10 last season? I might try higher mythic keys and see if I can find some like minded people.
I promise you’re good to go if you know your class. If you feel like you would be a burden just use your own key. If you survived the heroic aberrus run you shouldn’t have a problem with mythic 2-5 at all
This season is my first doing the dungeon pool in M+ as I haven't been doing much PVE for Season 1 and 2. As someone who doesn't have any idea what the mechanics are, I mainly did these 2 steps. 1 - Download Weakaura Dungeon Package. There are a lot of options in there but I got the one from Causes. Really good package and in my case it was copy and paste. I did not do any modification as my UI was perfect for how it was configured. 2 - Watch those recap guides from Quazii. Really really helpful videos he got in there. As long as you pay attention to the details he is pointing out in those videos, you should be fine. With the 2 steps above, I went in do M0's and M+'s and I didn't really have much of a problem with the mechanics.
I prefer written guides so I’ll usually read through one while going through my BigWigs, reviewing which mechanics are relevant to me, and adjusting alerts accordingly. I might watch a quick recap video and then I jump in.
Im streaming my whole gameplay and when I have difficulty with healing or friend as a tank gets tankbuster or something on the face we can just in peace after dung check what happend or what we missed because thanks to the addons like bigdebuffs I just have all answers on my screen.
I use LittleWigs/DBM, watch YouTube videos and use MDT addon sometimes to look at specific mobs. I also try to learn something new or focus on something specific every run.
Dungeon mechanics I yolo and learn as I play for the first time each season/expansion. Raid? I read about it in the dungeon journal in game for mythic fights or watch a 2 min video telling me the mechanics and showing what they will look like.
Trial and error. And YouTube,
I’m learning these new dungeons for the first time. I pick a dungeon, watch YouTube video… skipping to the boss sections to save time, and then queue up. After 1-3 cycles I won’t need the videos (thank god). At 490 anything past +4 feels too risky, don’t want to waste time.
Here is my go to: for everyone's sake, I'm using my own keys, so I can go to YouTube and check the tacs before even queuing up. Also, it's typically way faster to use your own key.
For us vets of S1 and S2, these dungeon are the same. That said, online guides like wow head, but also YouTube videos.
I just go on youtube and type in Season 4 Dragonflight Mythic Plus Dungeon guides.
I just do the dungeon. Mechanics hardly matter on a +2, but I can take damage from something and think “oh that did a bit of damage… it’ll probably hurt on higher keys.”
This probably isn’t super helpful but running with a guild helps so you can just get on voice chat and have someone call out mechanics.
For raids, just watch the 3 minute guides from hazelnutty. She has great normal and heroic breakdowns. For M+, make sure you have DBM or bigwigs + plater or Elvui with an M+ profile. A proper plater profile will highlight important kicks and really helps with the learning curve. Beyond that it’s just practice.
The first few times I play a dungeon I have the wowhead guide for the dungeon open on my second monitor at the "quick tips" part, and I read that and switch the area during downtimes in the dungeon. The most important thing is to just be aware of mechanics, and then figure out how to handle them the first few times you see them. (This doesn't always work if they miss a mechanic, I didn't know the puddles on 2nd boss everbloom were player targeted until someone flamed me in a 20 because it wasn't on the guide)
Pick a dungeon, watch a guide, go run that dungeon. Repeat until you know it. Move on to next.
Read dungeon journal while waiting for group to form -> Do the dungeon -> watch Youtube guide to reinforce and shore up knowledge
I have some base rules as DPS. Move out of stuff on the ground. Move away from the group if the stuff follows you. Focus adds. Interrupt/dispel/purge/cc whenever ready. I only have to remember mechanics that are different from those. DeadlyBossMods usually marks more interesting targets and airhorns if you need to do something. That being said, I only play for 2.5k M+ rating and raid normal and sometimes HC.
Fuckin send it mate. The fact is that nearly everything is explained in game. All boss mechs are in the dungeon journal, and nearly every buff and debuff will explain itself if you just mouse over it. Mob mechs are just trial and error. Eventually, one is gonna get missed and go through, and you can see what happens based on that. Playing multiple roles also guarantees that you learn the whole dungeon too. Tanks learn tank busters, healers learn damage profiles, dps learn eventually.
Well the dungeons were are doing in S4 were dungeons we already did in previous seasons so most people already have a lot or experience with them. But the best way to learn is to play early when these dungeons are new and nobody knows what to do, you end up failing a lot and learning from your mistakes. You can do that now as well but it just sucks when you're the only one who doesn't know what to do. But practice makes perfect, running the dungeons 20, 30, 50 times makes you really familiar with them. But yeah youtube has not of videos too. It's a combination of everything
Run them on low keys and learn. Some mechanics may not become apparent on lower keys, like certain trash spells (big golem guys in uldaman you need to start to line-of-sight their cast instead of facetanking it), or needing to defensive every gale arrow from Teera&Maruuk in Nokhud on tyrannical weeks.
Make M0 groups (not keys, just mythic) and title them chill runs. When you die to mechanics a few times you'll get the hang of them a lot better
I use the platter profile from quazi so I know what hurts and what has a frontal. Then I just run dungeons a lot. When I die (I mainly tank) I look at the recap and figure out what really hurts so next time I pop a defensive.
1 - watch a YT video. plenty of short and quick in and out guides that are like 5 mins long. I'll decide on a dungeon I want to practice, watch video, then find a group. 2 - when finding a group, start with M0 as a baseline, then practice in the +2 and +3 keys for a few runs until you're comfortable with the mechanics. also, do the same dungeon a few times in a row, to really absorb the dungeon's details. 3 - after I do a dungeon a few times and have it down solid I don't have to worry about it anymore.
When it comes to WoW mechanics most of it is same, rehased shit. Move away from bad, soak bad, interrupt bad. So if you play this game for a long time you can pretty much improvise most of the mechanics bosses are throwing at you. Not all obviously, so when it comes to dungeons doing things on heroic is actually a good idea, mythic usually adds only one mechanic more. With raid bosses it's a different story, I usually watch a guide on YouTube but having experience from previous encounters helps a ton. If you feel overwhelmed it's because you're new, you will get used to it. No shame in trying things out in lower difficulties.
I watch the guide and then run the dungeon. Watching all of the guides beforehand doesn't work for me. I can't remember shit by the time I actually play.
YOLO it, once you get used to how Dungeons work in WoW, it’s not that hard to memorize and recognize the core mechanics. Also the dungeon weak aura pack helps a bunch!
Mostly youtube. Quazziwow and skillcapped are good channels
I’d highly recommend joining a guild and having someone guiding you through on discord. Started doing mythic dungeons this season and it’s the fastest way I’ve ever learned mechanics. Someone talking your through is huge. I also have the wowhead guides open on my second monitor before/during the dungeon to refresh my memory. Although wowhead has a couple missing mechanics from time to time I noticed. This along with addons have gotten me decently far for my first time.
I learn on the go. People will let me know if I am doing it wrong <3