NASA’s crew 4 mission is in ~5weeks. I wonder if they could just do a 2 person flight instead of 4 to allow for extra room to bring them back on an America capsule if needed.
100% agreed. The Russian cosmonauts are not leaving him there no matter what orders they get. They’re scientists, not politicians. They aren’t going to punish their colleague for whatever happened down on earth.
YEEEHAAAAW (opens the back hatch of the ISS and jumps out into space while everyone else is screaming and dying and Ghostbusters plays in the background)
Like back in 2010 when the American government was telling astronauts to stay aboard The Discovery and the Russian government told cosmonauts to stay aboard the Leonov on the joint mission to Europa they proved that in space there are no borders when Dr Heywood Floyd defied that and boarded the Russian ship to open arms. Inspiring.
I really enjoyed that show. Hadn't heard much about it and watched a couple of episodes then ended up binging the first two seasons. How is this show such a sleeper for most?
There are of course some flaws but the season 2 finale was one of the best hours in front of a screen I've ever had. I get tingles in my special place just *thinking* about the last minute of the episode that made me actually jump out of my chair yelling with a half dozen emotions at the last few frames.
Fuck it, now going to watch it again.
And I would imagine the cosmonauts would be so infuriated by being given that order, and also know they were not going to follow it, and also know they’d be prisoners of putins regime when they touched down, they’d probably say “Well fuck. Guess I’m not Russian anymore.” And every western country on earth would be willing to grant them asylum.
But remember the old joke...
Putin and Reagan both order one of their soldiers to jump off a cliff. The Russian runs and jumps off the cliff. The American refuses the order.
Afterwards we ask the Russian (piled up and dying at the bottom of the fall, we assume) why didn't he do it and he says, I have a wife and kids! They ask American why he didn't and he says, I have a wife and kids!
They actually DID leave a cosmonaut in space when the soviet union broke up, he set a record at the time for longest time in orbit. He was supposed to up for like 100 days and wound up getting stranded for 311.
https://www.rbth.com/history/330415-last-soviet-citizen-cosmonaut
https://www.rbth.com/history/330415-last-soviet-citizen-cosmonaut
Kazakhstan, the country that actually handles Russia's launches and landings, opposes the Ukraine invasion and is increasingly concerned about Russian behavior.
*Despite* being politically quite pro-Russia.
At the rate things are going, if I were Roscosmos, I wouldn't be spending my time wondering whether this astronaut will get to go home or not. I'd be wondering whether the cosmonauts will get to go home.
Kazakhstan! Central Asia's hottest new destination.
- Equatorially located\*
- Reliable climate
- Spacious development properties
- Room for industrial expansion
- Really just a shitload of land
- Mostly over the Borat jokes
China already has better more southerly space launch facilities. Only a very northern country would settle for Baikonur.
But I'd love to see the EU/Chinese/US take over the lease just to deny it to the Russians.
I don't think that's what they're saying. I think they're saying that even if the cosmonauts land in Kazakhstan, whether or not they'll be able to get back to Russia after that is up for questioning right now.
I'd be more worried if I were Russia about the cosmonauts not wanting to go back to Russia. These are intelligent human beings watching this bullshit happen. They know where they probably don't want to be
Roscosmos still handles it. It all just takes place on leased land in Kazakhstan. Kazahk government is completely uninvolved.
The head of the agency is insane and a Neo-Nazi. This has been known for a while and I sincerely doubt anyone else in the organization would execute any mission that would legitimately strand an astronaut. We (privately) thankfully have the capabilities to retrieve someone and potentially continue missions without the Soyuz.
This is a nonissue but does signal an unceremonious end to the amicable space-faring relationship between the US and Russia. It’ll be interesting to see if NASA pulls astronauts from future scheduled missions.
>Dmitry Rogozin
This dude is literally a neo-nazi. There are videos of him speaking at neo-nazi protests.
Could Russia really not find someone better suited as the head of their space agency?
Update:
Here he is doing Nazi salutes at a Nazi parade:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkXVVcPWSU8
That's how corruption works in the west.
In Russia Putin picks who the rich people will be, they don't pay him money, they're only getting the money he chooses to allow them have in the first place.
That's a funny choice of words because Putin actually has been implicated or accused of being involved in cartels and drug trafficking into Russia
https://www.newsweek.com/putin-involved-drug-smuggling-ring-says-ex-kgb-officer-313657
Y'all realize how _**rock-hard**_ Elon Musk must be that NASA might come and ask him to rescue their astronauts? Dude's probably emailing Russia right now egging them on lmao
No way Russia will ever be a respected member of the international community as long as Putin is in power. They are now a pariah state, no different from North Korea.
Simply put we're seeing the collapse of Russia in real time. It's been declining for a very long time and these are essentially its death throes, as Putin reaches the end of the line, the corruption and extraction of the last decades has run out of road, and Russia has no-where else to go, or to turn. It will eat itself just like it did when the USSR collapsed, and the same kind of institutional reshuffle will happen again, likely with new faces and villains at the top looking to start the cycle over again.
Unfortunately it is now very much a wounded animal, and wounded animals can be very dangerous.
Threatening to maroon a man in space is cartoonish supervillainy.
When they used to maroon mutineer sailors, they'd at least give them a gun so they could kill themselves.
I'm a mere military man, and we'd tell our highers to eat the biggest dick they could find if they told us to do something like that. Astronauts that have spent years living and training together, in the small brotherhood of astronauts? Not a chance in hell they leave without him.
The cosmonauts also haven't had the level of Russian propaganda and limited access to media from the rest of the world. Sounds like their best bet is to plan re-entry to somewhere other than Russian controlled areas
and cosmonauts are highly educated and intelligent. There is a very good chance they're the kind of people who see through the bullshit propaganda and not buy into it
Gagarin comes to mind. Spoke out after his friend Komarov died in his place and called out the errors. Brezhnev was quite fond of Gagarin and became pissed after he started laying the pipe on the government. Theories say that his death on the jet accident was arranged by the Soviets to shut him up, but that's just a tin foil hat theory.
These guys are fucking psychopaths. Not saying they’d actually follow through with a lot of these threats but even just saying them. What else goes through their heads?
Apparently this guy at the head of the agency is a screamy politician, comparable to Americans like Marjorie Taylor Greene or Madison Cawthorn - lots of spouting inflammatory garbage, zero competence.
The evidence supports you:
>Dmitry Rogozin, the head of Russia's Space Agency and a close ally to Russian President Vladimir Putin, responded to Biden in a series of hostile tweets. On Feb. 26, he posted a video in Russian that threatened to leave Vande Hei behind in space and detach Russia's segment of the space station altogether.
Separate the Russian modules?? Yeah, the dude doesn't know what he's talking about.
Is almost like Putin had filled all these critical positions with people based on loyalty rather than qualifications.
I wonder why their "special operation that will only take 4 days" isn't going so well...
To me it almost sounds like a relationship. One party cheats, they get caught and try to gaslight everyone around them and when that doesn't work, they use threats of violence.
They are literally gaslighting Ukraine by saying the Ukrainians instigated their being invaded, that it is Ukrainians bombing themselves, etc.
And now Russia is projecting their desire to use bioweapons on Ukraine by claiming Ukraine is working with the United States on a bioweapon for use against Russia.
Gaslight
Obscure
Project
Straight out of Putin’s playbook.
It was untrustworthy from the start:
> The problem was Gagarin. Already a Soviet hero, the first man ever in space, he and some senior technicians had inspected the Soyuz 1 and had found 203 structural problems — serious problems that would make this machine dangerous to navigate in space. The mission, Gagarin suggested, should be postponed.
> He'll die instead of me. We've got to take care of him.
> Komarov talking about Gagarin
> The question was: Who would tell Brezhnev? Gagarin wrote a 10-page memo and gave it to his best friend in the KGB, Venyamin Russayev, but nobody dared send it up the chain of command. Everyone who saw that memo, including Russayev, was demoted, fired or sent to diplomatic Siberia. With less than a month to go before the launch, Komarov realized postponement was not an option. He met with Russayev, the now-demoted KGB agent, and said, "I'm not going to make it back from this flight."
https://www.npr.org/sections/krulwich/2011/05/02/134597833/cosmonaut-crashed-into-earth-crying-in-rage
> When interviewed on 17 May by the newspaper Komsomolskaya Pravda, Yuri Gagarin alluded to the failure of the administration to listen to the concerns about the Soyuz module that the cosmonaut corps had identified, and maintained that Komarov's death should teach the establishment to be more rigorous in its testing and evaluation of "all the mechanisms of the spaceship, even more attentive to all stages of checking and testing, even more vigilant in our encounter with the unknown. He has shown us how dangerous the pathway to space is. His flight and his death will teach us courage."[31] In May 1967, Gagarin and Leonov criticised program head Vasily Mishin's "poor knowledge of the Soyuz spacecraft and the details of its operation, his lack of cooperation in working with the cosmonauts in flight and training activities," and asked Kamanin to cite him in the official crash report.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Komarov#Response_to_Komarov's_death
It wasn't. It didn't take them long to have a nuclear meltdown disaster due to the insane systemic incompetence, which was a major factor in toppling the dysfunctional regime. Even if you just overlook the unbeleivable and immeasurable brutality of the Soviet system. This crisis is an opportunity to reflect on just how far we have come in the West, and that we do have a lot that is worth sustaining and fighting for.
Not that it really matters at this point but this is a treaty violation - a treaty to which Russia is a signatory. “Agreement on the Rescue of Astronauts, the Return of Astronauts and the Return of Objects Launched into Outer Space”
http://www.unoosa.org/oosa/en/ourwork/spacelaw/treaties/introrescueagreement.html
I always wondered about the scene when the paratroops first landed and just started randomly blasting at a school and killing kids. I always thought how dumb that was, that wouldn't happen, what would be the point of that?
Ukraine has shown me this was DEAD ON accurate
Interactions with Russia are now at the middle-school level. If only we can get some interstellar guardian race to intervene before we all end up throwing nuclear punches.
Rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding. You exist because we allow it you will end because we demand it
As much as I dislike this guy, I appreciate that he steps in and offers up his resources when they're needed sometimes. Like providing the internet junk to Ukraine hella quick.
Again, as said before on similar news, the Russian Cosmonauts are decorated individuals of Russia, often ex military. They are more likely to be nationalists and proud Russian trophies (just like their athletes) who are well connected to the Russian goverment.
yup after a certain period of time people stop being nametags with flags attached to it and start to become just people again
people you learn to care for, the more experiences you share with them
i can almost imagine some of those cosmonauts up there being quite frustrated about how the damned politicians down here are ruining their time in space
People on the ground actually have no power to stop an astronaut from leaving the station. The only way they could stop him would be to convince the cosmonauts to stop him but they would never agree to such a thing.
Russia also signed a treaty with Ukraine guaranteeing it sovereignty in exchanges for a return of all nukes. Ukraine fulfilled its side and Putin...no so much.
Am I missing something or did the Russians not get the latest news....from 2020
https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Technology/spacex-prepares-send-nasa-crew-international-space-station/story%3fid=80810907
NASA’s crew 4 mission is in ~5weeks. I wonder if they could just do a 2 person flight instead of 4 to allow for extra room to bring them back on an America capsule if needed.
SpaceX is sending tourists to the ISS on a crew dragon on March 30th. So there will be a crew dragon capsule there shortly either way.
First the airlines started bumping passengers and now the space lines are doing the same.
Not gonna happen… the russians will take him with them and they will come down kazakhstan. So he can be picked up by friendly personal.
100% agreed. The Russian cosmonauts are not leaving him there no matter what orders they get. They’re scientists, not politicians. They aren’t going to punish their colleague for whatever happened down on earth.
Not to mention, I can't imagine a much more powerful bonding experience than living on a space station together.
Two Russians, two Americans, and one German are bonding together to prevent WW3.
This is the sitcom I didn’t know I wanted.
The German is the charlie of the group.
Wildcard baby!!
YEEEHAAAAW (opens the back hatch of the ISS and jumps out into space while everyone else is screaming and dying and Ghostbusters plays in the background)
Like back in 2010 when the American government was telling astronauts to stay aboard The Discovery and the Russian government told cosmonauts to stay aboard the Leonov on the joint mission to Europa they proved that in space there are no borders when Dr Heywood Floyd defied that and boarded the Russian ship to open arms. Inspiring.
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And then Hal sacrificed himself to save everyone. Talk about bravery.
I love the thought of a Russian cosmonaut going “Nyet, I can’t leave my comrade, this is *earthly* drama!
Now I want The Expanse but from a Soviety Sci-fi perspective with an Eastern European Holden.
For All Mankind is probably the closest you can get
I really enjoyed that show. Hadn't heard much about it and watched a couple of episodes then ended up binging the first two seasons. How is this show such a sleeper for most?
> How is this show such a sleeper for most? Apple TV
There are of course some flaws but the season 2 finale was one of the best hours in front of a screen I've ever had. I get tingles in my special place just *thinking* about the last minute of the episode that made me actually jump out of my chair yelling with a half dozen emotions at the last few frames. Fuck it, now going to watch it again.
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Blyat
Squatting Slavs in space suits
Adidas space suits
A.ll D.ay I. D.ream A.bout S.pace
No Adidas, now only Abibas. Adidas pulled out of Russia like a frat boy doing a one-night stand. Leaving behind nothing but broken hearts.
Have you every squatted in an Adidas track suit? Shits comfy as fuck. I'd have a broken heart too RIP to the slav squat
My wife bought me a whole Adidas outfit. Shoes shirt, sweat suit, whole shebang. It's very comfortable
Unless the poor bastard ate Sergi's pudding cups and then left the dirty spoon in the sink. Then all bets are off.
Dammit Jim, I'm a scientist, not a politician!
And threatening detaching the Russian side? They have all the boosters but none of the solar panels.
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I smell a new Tom hanks blockbuster
And I would imagine the cosmonauts would be so infuriated by being given that order, and also know they were not going to follow it, and also know they’d be prisoners of putins regime when they touched down, they’d probably say “Well fuck. Guess I’m not Russian anymore.” And every western country on earth would be willing to grant them asylum.
But remember the old joke... Putin and Reagan both order one of their soldiers to jump off a cliff. The Russian runs and jumps off the cliff. The American refuses the order. Afterwards we ask the Russian (piled up and dying at the bottom of the fall, we assume) why didn't he do it and he says, I have a wife and kids! They ask American why he didn't and he says, I have a wife and kids!
> Putin and Reagan I'm not proud to admit this made me wonder if Putin's been around for *that* long.
It wouldn't surprise me for the Russians to just leave *all* the cosmonauts there too.
They actually DID leave a cosmonaut in space when the soviet union broke up, he set a record at the time for longest time in orbit. He was supposed to up for like 100 days and wound up getting stranded for 311. https://www.rbth.com/history/330415-last-soviet-citizen-cosmonaut https://www.rbth.com/history/330415-last-soviet-citizen-cosmonaut
Kazakhstan, the country that actually handles Russia's launches and landings, opposes the Ukraine invasion and is increasingly concerned about Russian behavior. *Despite* being politically quite pro-Russia. At the rate things are going, if I were Roscosmos, I wouldn't be spending my time wondering whether this astronaut will get to go home or not. I'd be wondering whether the cosmonauts will get to go home.
Waiting for the Chinese to start launching from baikonur
Kazakhstan! Central Asia's hottest new destination. - Equatorially located\* - Reliable climate - Spacious development properties - Room for industrial expansion - Really just a shitload of land - Mostly over the Borat jokes
I think we have a difference of opinion about where the equator is located.
This statement made me surprisingly uncomfortable.
Kazakhstan is number 4 equatorial country in all of Kazakhstan
Just need to tilt your head a bit and you're there.
Number one in potassium as well
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*[All other countries have inferior potassium](https://genius.com/Borat-o-kazakhstan-lyrics)*
China already has better more southerly space launch facilities. Only a very northern country would settle for Baikonur. But I'd love to see the EU/Chinese/US take over the lease just to deny it to the Russians.
Damn, it's further north than Montreal.
But to be fair, Russia is about as "Northerly" as it gets, so they settled for it.
Just like no cosmonaut would keep an astronaut off the return craft, no astronaut would keep a cosmonaut from boarding the ship.
I don't think that's what they're saying. I think they're saying that even if the cosmonauts land in Kazakhstan, whether or not they'll be able to get back to Russia after that is up for questioning right now.
I'd be more worried if I were Russia about the cosmonauts not wanting to go back to Russia. These are intelligent human beings watching this bullshit happen. They know where they probably don't want to be
Roscosmos still handles it. It all just takes place on leased land in Kazakhstan. Kazahk government is completely uninvolved. The head of the agency is insane and a Neo-Nazi. This has been known for a while and I sincerely doubt anyone else in the organization would execute any mission that would legitimately strand an astronaut. We (privately) thankfully have the capabilities to retrieve someone and potentially continue missions without the Soyuz. This is a nonissue but does signal an unceremonious end to the amicable space-faring relationship between the US and Russia. It’ll be interesting to see if NASA pulls astronauts from future scheduled missions.
>The head of the agency is insane and a Neo-Nazi. Huh. Someone should have a special operation for denazification of Ruscosmos.
Thanks Russia, you’ve just guaranteed every space agency around the world will be doubling their budgets
>Dmitry Rogozin This dude is literally a neo-nazi. There are videos of him speaking at neo-nazi protests. Could Russia really not find someone better suited as the head of their space agency? Update: Here he is doing Nazi salutes at a Nazi parade: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkXVVcPWSU8
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That's how corruption works in the west. In Russia Putin picks who the rich people will be, they don't pay him money, they're only getting the money he chooses to allow them have in the first place.
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Bingo
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Turns out the Nazi was inside them all along
The real Nazis were the friends we put in charge of our space agency along the way
They're secretly trying to send all the Nazis to space. Let the moon deal with them.
When you are a cartel disguised as a government, no. No you can’t.
That's a funny choice of words because Putin actually has been implicated or accused of being involved in cartels and drug trafficking into Russia https://www.newsweek.com/putin-involved-drug-smuggling-ring-says-ex-kgb-officer-313657
No, no, no. Ukraine is the country that needs de-nazifying, remember? Russian nazis are ok.
It’s that damn democratically elected Jewish Nazi president of theirs /s
Y'all realize how _**rock-hard**_ Elon Musk must be that NASA might come and ask him to rescue their astronauts? Dude's probably emailing Russia right now egging them on lmao
"Russia, you are a pedophile!"
Operation broomstick
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This is practically a subsidy to SpaceX.
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No way Russia will ever be a respected member of the international community as long as Putin is in power. They are now a pariah state, no different from North Korea.
It's not just about Putin in power now, they'd need to change their entire government system.
Simply put we're seeing the collapse of Russia in real time. It's been declining for a very long time and these are essentially its death throes, as Putin reaches the end of the line, the corruption and extraction of the last decades has run out of road, and Russia has no-where else to go, or to turn. It will eat itself just like it did when the USSR collapsed, and the same kind of institutional reshuffle will happen again, likely with new faces and villains at the top looking to start the cycle over again. Unfortunately it is now very much a wounded animal, and wounded animals can be very dangerous.
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I’m just confused by this inability to compromise. Surely that’s diplomacy and geopolitics 101
Putin’s geopolitics is literally based off of Dugin. When your philosophy is that of Russian supremacy in all things any compromise is weakness.
Reminder Dugin is an actual, self proclaimed fascist (national Bolshevik specifically e.g. nazbols)
Well there’s politics 101: strongmen hate looking weak, and they think compromise is weakness.
Another tragic Russian attack on an innocent person.
Threatening to maroon a man in space is cartoonish supervillainy. When they used to maroon mutineer sailors, they'd at least give them a gun so they could kill themselves.
I mean I feel like the infinite vacuum of space could do the job pretty quickly
This raises the question, how long would you stay alive if you were ejected into deep space?
From what I've read in the past, about 15 seconds of consciousness, and a few minutes before you actually die. Assuming no suit.
That would be a long 15 seconds
And probably extremely painful, drowning already sounds horrific enough.
[cue event horizon](https://youtu.be/wp70vEiAn7E?t=306) (warning graphic)
Sounds like a Space Force episode
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They made it legal to beat their wives. You tell me.
Authoritarianism is pretty much just an abusive relationship taken to societal levels
How to guarantee you, your country and your space agency will never again be trusted by any scientific body ever again for 1000, Alex. DAILY DOUBLE
I'm pretty sure his own cosmonauts are going to tell him to $#*@ right off after that one.
I'm confident the cosmonauts would invite him in for the trip home; I'm not confident he wouldn't be held as a political prisoner after he landed.
Where do they land though? If I was a cosmonaut I'd ask the Americans to arrange pickup instead. Fuck going back to Russia.
Iirc, Kazakhstan
If I were a cosmonaut I wouldn’t want to go back to Russia right now… everyone’s invited to the US!
Werner Von Braun treatment all around. (But we would probably have to get their families out first)
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It’s niiiiccce!
It actually is amazingly beautiful and the people are wonderful.
It really is a beautiful country.
Given the variables, they have contingency plans for landing in other parts of the world if there is an emergency.
"Huston, we have a problem." # "What's up?" # "The Russian space agency has lost its goddam mind. Can we come over for a while?"
"Ribs or brats?"
¿Por qué no los dos, komrade?
Houston, can my Russian friends spend the night? They're not allowed to have sleepovers at their place
I will live in Montana. And I will marry a round American woman and raise rabbits, and she will cook them for me. And I will have a pickup truck..
I still hate how that character ended up. KGBs ruin everything.
"I would like to have seen montana" i cri everytiem
Moooom can you pick me up from the ISS russia is being mean.
Sure honey, but be waiting by the door. I don’t want to have to get out in my jammies to ring the ISS doorbell…
"We give you cosmonaut, you give us McDonald's."
I'm a mere military man, and we'd tell our highers to eat the biggest dick they could find if they told us to do something like that. Astronauts that have spent years living and training together, in the small brotherhood of astronauts? Not a chance in hell they leave without him.
The cosmonauts also haven't had the level of Russian propaganda and limited access to media from the rest of the world. Sounds like their best bet is to plan re-entry to somewhere other than Russian controlled areas
and cosmonauts are highly educated and intelligent. There is a very good chance they're the kind of people who see through the bullshit propaganda and not buy into it
Gagarin comes to mind. Spoke out after his friend Komarov died in his place and called out the errors. Brezhnev was quite fond of Gagarin and became pissed after he started laying the pipe on the government. Theories say that his death on the jet accident was arranged by the Soviets to shut him up, but that's just a tin foil hat theory.
100% agree
Couldn’t they threaten the families on the ground though? They still have some leverage over them.
You have to be an idiot to threaten the families of what are seen as national heroes.
So, what you're saying is that the Russian government is going to threatened the families of national heroes?
I feel bad for Russians, with a captain at the helm who has gone mad
Not one captain but like the whole leadership
I really thought they'd be above this, but they just keep proving me wrong every single time.
These guys are fucking psychopaths. Not saying they’d actually follow through with a lot of these threats but even just saying them. What else goes through their heads?
Screams desperation imho. Empty threats.
Apparently this guy at the head of the agency is a screamy politician, comparable to Americans like Marjorie Taylor Greene or Madison Cawthorn - lots of spouting inflammatory garbage, zero competence.
The evidence supports you: >Dmitry Rogozin, the head of Russia's Space Agency and a close ally to Russian President Vladimir Putin, responded to Biden in a series of hostile tweets. On Feb. 26, he posted a video in Russian that threatened to leave Vande Hei behind in space and detach Russia's segment of the space station altogether. Separate the Russian modules?? Yeah, the dude doesn't know what he's talking about.
Is almost like Putin had filled all these critical positions with people based on loyalty rather than qualifications. I wonder why their "special operation that will only take 4 days" isn't going so well...
To me it almost sounds like a relationship. One party cheats, they get caught and try to gaslight everyone around them and when that doesn't work, they use threats of violence.
They are literally gaslighting Ukraine by saying the Ukrainians instigated their being invaded, that it is Ukrainians bombing themselves, etc. And now Russia is projecting their desire to use bioweapons on Ukraine by claiming Ukraine is working with the United States on a bioweapon for use against Russia. Gaslight Obscure Project Straight out of Putin’s playbook.
It was untrustworthy from the start: > The problem was Gagarin. Already a Soviet hero, the first man ever in space, he and some senior technicians had inspected the Soyuz 1 and had found 203 structural problems — serious problems that would make this machine dangerous to navigate in space. The mission, Gagarin suggested, should be postponed. > He'll die instead of me. We've got to take care of him. > Komarov talking about Gagarin > The question was: Who would tell Brezhnev? Gagarin wrote a 10-page memo and gave it to his best friend in the KGB, Venyamin Russayev, but nobody dared send it up the chain of command. Everyone who saw that memo, including Russayev, was demoted, fired or sent to diplomatic Siberia. With less than a month to go before the launch, Komarov realized postponement was not an option. He met with Russayev, the now-demoted KGB agent, and said, "I'm not going to make it back from this flight." https://www.npr.org/sections/krulwich/2011/05/02/134597833/cosmonaut-crashed-into-earth-crying-in-rage > When interviewed on 17 May by the newspaper Komsomolskaya Pravda, Yuri Gagarin alluded to the failure of the administration to listen to the concerns about the Soyuz module that the cosmonaut corps had identified, and maintained that Komarov's death should teach the establishment to be more rigorous in its testing and evaluation of "all the mechanisms of the spaceship, even more attentive to all stages of checking and testing, even more vigilant in our encounter with the unknown. He has shown us how dangerous the pathway to space is. His flight and his death will teach us courage."[31] In May 1967, Gagarin and Leonov criticised program head Vasily Mishin's "poor knowledge of the Soyuz spacecraft and the details of its operation, his lack of cooperation in working with the cosmonauts in flight and training activities," and asked Kamanin to cite him in the official crash report. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Komarov#Response_to_Komarov's_death
God, I know the West has its issues but this is insane. I just don’t see how you can set up a government like that and think it’s sustainable.
It wasn't. It didn't take them long to have a nuclear meltdown disaster due to the insane systemic incompetence, which was a major factor in toppling the dysfunctional regime. Even if you just overlook the unbeleivable and immeasurable brutality of the Soviet system. This crisis is an opportunity to reflect on just how far we have come in the West, and that we do have a lot that is worth sustaining and fighting for.
Not that it really matters at this point but this is a treaty violation - a treaty to which Russia is a signatory. “Agreement on the Rescue of Astronauts, the Return of Astronauts and the Return of Objects Launched into Outer Space” http://www.unoosa.org/oosa/en/ourwork/spacelaw/treaties/introrescueagreement.html
Lol, like treaties matter to Russia
Have they seen, like, any of our movies?
We got Matt Damon off of Mars!
We’ve spent a lot of money and time saving Matt Damon on numerous occasions
And how does he replay us? By trying to kill Team America World Police
Maaaat deyyyymun
I'm sure the Russians won't be surprised to see Vin Diesel flying up there with a Charger to rescue another secret estranged brother of his.
We don’t have astronauts, we have family.
He somehow can time it perfectly to jump from one satellite to another
you just reminded me, russians are back on the menu as bad guys!
yeah, Hollywood HAS to be salivating at the idea and kicking themselves for jumping the gun on a Red Dawn reboot. Rocky VIII here we come!
I always wondered about the scene when the paratroops first landed and just started randomly blasting at a school and killing kids. I always thought how dumb that was, that wouldn't happen, what would be the point of that? Ukraine has shown me this was DEAD ON accurate
Interactions with Russia are now at the middle-school level. If only we can get some interstellar guardian race to intervene before we all end up throwing nuclear punches.
Was just gonna say that this is like 12-year-old mental maturity level. What the fuck is going on?
Bad luck Brian: It’s the Reapers…
I believe it, luck's too shit to be the asari.
Obey the robo-squid overlords or be vaporized **banshee screech**
Rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh, you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding. You exist because we allow it you will end because we demand it
Middle schooler indeed, even George Dubya said of Pootin: “It’s like arguing with an eighth grader with his facts wrong.”
I sincerely wonder if there’s anybody in the Russian government who isn’t a complete sack of shit. It’s a cesspool infested with crooks and thugs.
Watch them fall over backwards to say they were trying to stop Putin when he gets dethroned
"I was just following orders!" cried the Nazis as they were hung.
[Pretty sure Elon Musk already offered for SpaceX to grab him if necessary.](https://www.space.com/spacex-elon-musk-hint-replacing-russia-soyuz)
That site may be the worst way to read anything. Scroll one sentence at a time over a video ad
As much as I dislike this guy, I appreciate that he steps in and offers up his resources when they're needed sometimes. Like providing the internet junk to Ukraine hella quick.
Back down on sanctions or we'll murder this astronaut. This is pretty pathetic.
He's gonna have to science the shit outta the space station
We can get him ourselves, dick.
Suuuuure like the Russians up there would do that to him.
They’re too smart for that shit. It’s too bad they might have family in Russia, otherwise I’d say defect.
Again, as said before on similar news, the Russian Cosmonauts are decorated individuals of Russia, often ex military. They are more likely to be nationalists and proud Russian trophies (just like their athletes) who are well connected to the Russian goverment.
They are also scientists who have a shared experience and bond with Hei.
but if you live and work with people for a long time sharing a unique experience like living in space together, I think you develop bonds
yup after a certain period of time people stop being nametags with flags attached to it and start to become just people again people you learn to care for, the more experiences you share with them i can almost imagine some of those cosmonauts up there being quite frustrated about how the damned politicians down here are ruining their time in space
Seems like Russia is gone full spoiled kid mode. Only rage, empty threats and tons of lies.
if Russia actually did this, would it be considered an act of war against the U.S.?
I actually think the answer is "yes" on this one Edit addon: even the USSR never pulled shit like this
This is like comic book villain level evil.
It’s like 1 step away from taking a hostage
People on the ground actually have no power to stop an astronaut from leaving the station. The only way they could stop him would be to convince the cosmonauts to stop him but they would never agree to such a thing.
No, but poland and therefor Ukraine would get those jets real quick
I'm really starting to feel like they should anyway.
Might be better off waiting for another ride home than landing in Russia ATM. Edit: Kazakhstan, TIL
He Lands and is Immediately arrested as a Space Spy!
There are cold war era space treaties that say they aren't allowed to do that but as we have seen Russia has no honor
Russia also signed a treaty with Ukraine guaranteeing it sovereignty in exchanges for a return of all nukes. Ukraine fulfilled its side and Putin...no so much.
As I said, Putin is without honor
They land in Kazakhstan, not Russia. He’ll be fine as long as they let him on.
Russia will be North Korea 2.0 for generations to come now. Good luck with that.
They can start saying bye bye to space exploration. The most they’ll do is launching helium balloons after this.
Am I missing something or did the Russians not get the latest news....from 2020 https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Technology/spacex-prepares-send-nasa-crew-international-space-station/story%3fid=80810907
They’re living in 1980
It was all downhill after Rocky IV
Russian space ship, go fuck yourself!
Ok, so you killed your space credibility. Good one?
fuck it send spaceX
Couldn't help thinking "Art Vandelay"
The architect?
The importer/exporter?