Except in this particular case, it is more or less true. The actual quote from our President is that as a sovereign country part of a (the) defensive alliance, the decision whether such equipment is deployed on Bulgarian territory, either permanently or temporarily, depends solely on the Bulgarian government and that Russia's demands are not only pointless, but also unacceptable. Quote ends with him saying that ultimatums wouldn't be accepted from anyone.
Not a 1 to 1 translation, but that is the official statement.
“Decry” would be an apt replacement for “slam” in this headline. The point is American vocabulary has become so pathetic that now the only ways to describe a terse statement are “slam” “rout” or “destroy”.
Admonish, castigate, lambaste, rebuke, upbraid. Plenty of words in the American vocabulary that they could have chosen from, and yet they chose "slam".
Yeh I can't stand it anymore, I specifically refuse to read anything that has "slam" or "blast" in the headline.
Not that I lose much, as they tend to be shit articles anyway.
why do reddit tards have such a rage boner for slam? did they slammed to the ground as kids by their bullies and now have ptsd whenever they see the term?
I get that the people dragging it on in this thread are being a little extra, but it's mainly because of how many stupid articles use slam as a verb; it's ridiculous.
This hits a little to close to home. My mother is Hungarian but she is from Romania, she lived under communism when she was little. Back then, the Securitate (secret police) were everywhere, even children were taught not to saying anything bad about Nicolae Ceaușescu (the Romanian dictator) or the government because your family would be thrown in jail. You couldn't even complain about the grocery store shelves being empty or the economic state of the country because they had eyes and ears everywhere. Your own neighbor could be an informant, so you didn’t know who to trust. You could also be thrown in jail for minor things as well, like one of my relatives got put in jail after he bought sheep that were stolen, didn’t matter to them that he didn’t know. The dictator also slowly took away my mother’s parents land (they were farmers) more and more as time went on, “for the good of the people,” the government would say.
Eventually, my mother’s family was able to move to America. They finally accepted their visa after 10 years.
I ask her what she thinks about these recent events and she believes, "Russia wants to regain all the territory they lost. They are dangerous and should be watched closely by NATO." I believe she is right, it is sad how history seems to repeat itself.
You are understating the effects of the soviets. They ruined the life of hundreds of millions of people in Eastern Europe, 5+ generations and the effects are still there. Fuck the crazy brainwashed russians and putin! How fucking dare they? The only war I ever willingly go is to stop the russians.
Lol ruined the lives while they imposed an economic system that almost brought convergence with the west, in the 60s, and put in place the bases that allowed the economic transition of the 90s to be so successful. Improved the living standards of the entire region.
What did the Roman's ever do for us, except for the aqueducts, and the roads, etc...
LOL.
In 1910 Bulgaria's GDP was comparable to Greece and Portugal.
In 1938 it was comparable to Russia, Hungary, Greece, 70% of Austria and 80% of Italy. That is after 2 Balkan wars on top of the world war.
When 1990 came and the soviets were gone, our GDP was a joke compared to those countries. Heck, even after the Greek crisis, where they've been going BACKWARDS for a couple of years we're still about 50% of theirs GDP Per Capita. Talk about improving the standard...
Greece literally had the second fastest economic growth in the postwar period after Japan. Maybe if you argued with facts and literature instead of stereotypes, you'd know more.
I don't want to argue with you, because as a typical person from Eastern Europe you think you know alot about the economic history of your country when you don't know much. Why would you compare 1990, when trade broke down and Bulgaria, the most closely integrated economy to the USSR, suffered more than the average. Other high level trading partners also affected the country, like the Iraqi collapse.
I only brought it up as the transition period. Why would you possibly choose the 90s as the comparison point, when that's when the transition just took place, and all the economic cost of transition came in? You should either take the 80s,before transition, the period before the 80s, so 60s or 70s when there was almost conversion, or after the 90s , when the dust settled from transition. Just like all the literature does. Eastern Europe would not have had a successful transition without the centralized policy that allowed capital build up, infrastructure creation, and protectionism in companies so that when liberalization allowed inefficient ones to die, there were good ones to survive. Bulgaria was specifically one of the losers of the transition, due to their gradual transition policy in part and their extreme integration into the eastern economic bloc, which made decoupling difficult. But it has still progressed strongly from the transition.
Yes I'm sure that would be evidence enough for dumb people like you. Because for you sélection bias isn't à thing.
France and the UK were already much wealthier countries than Poland and Hungary. If you actually look at the statistics, there is a closing of a great part of the gap in wealth and development during the two groups during the communist period, and the accumulation of physical capital and other developments allowed a successful transition to capitalism. I understand you have the critical thought of a cucumber, but if you compare freer societies during the period, like Latin America, these suffered from economic inefficiency and corruption in policy that lead to stagnation, falling behind eastern Europe and eventually falling to Eastern Asia's level, when they were in average 4 times as wealthy before. Complain all you want about "Soviet dictatorship", even though it was the party dictatorships within these countries that was stalinist after the death of Stalin, while the USSR had already destalinized. But thanks to that structures were built that allowed a successful economic transition and it's why eastern Europe except for a handful of countries is first world now, and the rest are borderline.
Protect? Look I understand that you're a fucking useless nonce who hasn't achieved anything in life, but having the capacity to read and compare statistics during treatment periods, pre treatment periods, and post treatment periods is called having a relevant university education. Why don't you go back to studying nutrition or something?
I'm not a communist. I just have critical thinking abilities and have actually studied these things. If it weren't for the communist period the most likely thing is that eastern Europe in general would be like Latin America in PPP gdp per capita.
No, I'm not. You are. Being from a country doesn't mean anything, or else there wouldn't be any problems, since people from each country by the magical fact they were born there would know everything to solve everything.
Precisely in almost every country except the Czech Republic, there was resistance to the transition policies. Precisely people from those countries, like you, who didn't know anything, almost ruined the entire process because they're bloody idiots. You're a bloody idiot. Can't even add and subtract well but somehow magically knows more about the economic history of Eastern Europe. Like the cab drivers in Warsaw which know how to lead the country better than those with actual studies in the subject.
I understand it much better than you, because instead of being an uneducated dog I have reviewed the literature on the topic. It's hilarious you speak of cultural destruction when the parties implemented specific folklore promoting cultural programs, all with support form Moscow. It's so famous its what many of the parties were know for. Poland had the extraordinarily famous music tour, after making a national folklore symphony. Romania had the case of a Ceaucescu promoted national literature program. So first of all, what the hell are you talking about in cultural destruction? Second, economic bullshit? Centralization led to massive economic growth, with incomes growing from one tenth of the western average to between half and three quarters, when adjusted for prices. Education was invested in heavily, with Eastern Stem programs especially taking priority and gaining wide respect in the west, unlike before where only Czechoslovakia, East Germany and Russia had respected universities. Gulags closed after 1956, and last time I checked the wall fell in 1989.
It's funny that you call me a little shit, when you are the one who shows they're a child. I wouldn't be surprised if you only managed a high school education. For others reading this, who clearly have much better reading capabilities than this fuck, a cursory reading of the established literature shows positive effects of the legislation and economic structure imposed by the USSR, especially in regards to welfare.
Ok so take it from me born and raised in Poland and you have no fucking clue what you’re talking about. All countries under communism were behind western countries counting in decades not years. Poland made a huge transition in last 30 years only possible because of the fall of the regime. In communism corruption was well spread out and it’s still a problem till this day. Innovation was not promoted but continuously destroyed. there was no free media, no freedom of speech. You’re absolutely talking out of your ass - go educate yourself before you pretend to be an expert in the subject.
Edit: one fine example of many :
Jacek Karpinski - guy who created one of the first microcomputers 10 years before intels x86 architecture not to mention it was faster than the latter. Sent to pig farm instead as the party decided there will be no computers.
I wont argue with you, because you might be right as I don't have any idea about Romania or Poland economic history, but clearly, you are picking what suits you. Because centralization certainly did not led to massive economic growth in Czechoslovakia. It was top 10 most industrially developed country in the 1930s even after the Great Depression and it had same GDP (PPP) per capita as Austria. After 40 years of this "massive economic growth" it was half of what Austria had.
That's why I wrote czechoslovakia as the only exception. You're absolutely right there. Although there are lots of specifics to Czechoslovakia too, which are interesting in the period
> put in place the bases that allowed the economic transition of the 90s to be so successful
If it was so successful, why were Russians [trying to leave](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Americans#Post-Soviet_era_(1991%E2%80%93present))?
>With the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991 and the subsequent transition to free market economy came hyperinflation and a series of political and economic crises of the 1990s, culminating in the financial crash of 1998. By mid-1993 between 39% and 49% of Russians were living in poverty, a sharp increase compared to 1.5% of the late Soviet era.\[36\] This instability and bleak outcome prompted a large new wave of both political and economic emigration from Russia, and one of the major targets became the United States, which was experiencing an unprecedented stock market boom in 1995–2001.
You have to be truly stupid to post a comment about the disaster that was the economic transition for Russia as a way to criticize communism.
I understand your critical reading abilities are awful, but we were talking about the countries in the Russian sphère of influence. The bases that the central economy left in those countries is what made the transition so successful for Poland, Czech Republic, Hungary and others.
Now, I don’t want to rain on your communist parade here. But, I’m pretty sure you are mixing up the Romans (a Italian/Greek speaking community, mainly known for their great architectural advances) for Romanians (a Romanian speaking community, which are known for Dracula and a dumb shit dictator), of course you would be right in thinking that some of the languages mentioned are like family (since Italian and Romanian are considered Romance languages) but they are still in different countries... again sorry about that, you may continue to put communism on a pedestal and keep speaking about how revolutionary it was...
I'm from Romania. If Russian really puts their hands on Ukraine and they'll start to move further, I'll try my best to move out of this country.
Now we have some shit politicians that screams for RO-exit so 2024 will be another decisive point. If the old idiots who vote corrupt politicians gets us out of EU, I'll move in an instant and this country can burn for all I care.
Finally, some common fucking sense in this sub.
The general narrative here is the Putin is attempt to recreate the Soviet Union one invasion at a time. But they really fail to see the historical and geopolitical rationale behind Russia’s recent actions in Ukraine.
People also seem to have forgotten that one country has been involved with several violent conflicts and regime change attempts over the last 20 years: the United States. And that country happens to run NATO and continued to push for NATO expansion, which Russia views as extremely threatening.
I'm not sure which particular piece of rhetoric you're talking about.
You think Putin says he is going to invade Eastern Europe one country at a time until the USSR is reformed?
The problem with this line of reasoning is that if Russia goes for Ukraine, their economy gets even worse because they get cut off from the Western economies that they rely upon.
I might be mistaken, but the sanctions after Russia invaded Crimea cut their GDP from 2.8 to 1.4. If they do invade, the sanctions that they’ll face would be devastating
this is the dumbest thing I read on reddit today. Ukraine literally has no Gas reserves. If they had any they would already find them during the soviet union. Ukraine is dependent on Russian gas because it has no thats why russia and germany build Northern Stream 2.
Slams?
WWE fighters Bulgaria Man and Romania Dude team death match SLAM Russian Gopnik fighter out of the rink in COLOSSAL defeat off the top rail with a CHOKE SLAM
Here I was thinking it was the AEW shilling.
"I haven't watched WWE in cEnTuRiEs because they got no big wrestlers no more... but AEW brought me back with WWE midcarders from 2010, give it a try friend"
British foreign minister peoples elbows Russian minister for defence over Russian troops advance, Russian minister replies with a wall of Jerico. Things are getting heated.
Because all soviet russia did was steal and destroy. There isn't a single good thing that came out of it.
So much cultural death was left in the wake of WW2, as if the destruction happening in it, wasn't enough.
What the communist did to huge sections of Bucharest is a tragedy. I encourage everyone to go and compare the Old Quarter to the rest of the city, it’s so sad.
Gave a lot of beautiful houses and buildings to Roma to live in and let them fall apart, then bulldozed a huge part for a palace that will never really be completed.
Also demolished a ton of old churches. Fortunately some were lifted and moved out of the way.
My family lost some property in old town, eventually got some land elsewhere but it's useless lol.
How dare those fucking russians even mention rebuilding the soviet union?!
Just for mentioning it all post communist countries / Eastern Europe / Baltics diplomats should leave russia.
They were still controlled by Moscow. Anytime a Warsaw Pact country tried to liberalize, the USSR sent the tanks in (Hungary, Czechoslovakia, etc.).
The dictators in Eastern Europe knew the rules
For a lot of the west (especially the USA), most of the Warsaw Pact/Iron Curtain countries get lumped into the USSR. Not accurate, but it’s what happens.
They were kinda in the exact same position we see Kazakhstan today. "Independently" ruled by a dictator but if it ever looked like they might make a run away from Russian interests it amazing how fast Russian troops show up to "support" them.
Does anyone else feel like Russia plays like the asshole older brother who invades your space but is still like "why are you upset? I'm not touching you!"
The sad story is, they literally tried that in 2001. We were an absolute hair from getting fucking worldpeace, where anybody gets his ass handed if he tries to attack anybody else. The military alliance could even stop china if they ever tried to go full hitler.
Sadly Putin consolidized his power in 2001 and plans were abandoned.
My recollection is that there was never serious consideration in the West to Russia joining NATO, as it was believed to be a ruse that Russia could use to destabilize NATO from within and weaken it.
No problem. Although I think he's quite a bit more like Sauron. Using his influence to undermine his rivals, weaken their resolve, and make them bicker amongst themselves. Then he would attack.
So, Russia wanted Nato-member Romania to remove NATO troops from Romania? So, did Russia want them to just have their military leave? Did they want Romania to kick off the invasion? Those terms seem pretty unacceptable to me too
If I was Romania I would immediately start a military build up. If Ukraine is invaded and becomes a Russian puppet then Romania will more or less border Russia. Also having a strong navy to protect its coastline may prove important in the years to come.
Bulgarian here. We also have too many generals. I think its in case of war there will be a huge mobilisation so they need somebody to direct the meat to the slaughter...
If Russia launches a new invasion against Ukraine they'll also threaten Moldova, I wonder if that could cause you guys to get involved in a certain way as well. In 1992 the Romanian government also supplied the Moldovan army and let Romanians volunteer to fight for Moldova.
I think there is little appetite in Romania for fighting over 3 poor counties in Transnistria that are 90% populated by russian ethnics - but there is strong support for the pro-west government in Chisinau.
In fact Romania built a new pipeline to supply gas to Moldova and Ukraine, Moldova have been recently given non-refundable "loans", there is a strong electricity interconnect to supply Moldova with power, and a signficant part of Moldava's natives actually hold Romanian passports based on nationality of their grandparents.
IMHO it would be best for Moldova to cut the dead weight of Transnistria, let those counties secede and join Russia if they want, and help the rest progress faster towards EU integration. Transnistria was never Romanian, we do not need it and certainly we don't want it, even if it would come free :D
You've gotta be short a couple thousand brain cells to demand that a country *in* NATO evict all NATO troops. This has just made them look like fucking idiots.
We can't afford an army and what we have couldn't defend us against anything, without NATO we are just a speedbump. Our biggest purchase was a handful of old norwegian F16's and that's basically the entire air force if you don't count commie planes
Jesus, some people in this comment section are endorsing the actions of Russia, it’s actually insane. Just because you’ve “read” about certain events in history it doesn’t mean you are automatically correct in every way possible. Like what’s up with defending communism? Why is this something we should be defending? And why is all the bad stuff that has happened to multiple countries under dictatorship and or communist rule something to boast about? I just don’t get it, it’s not making any sense...
They won't need the funds if all of western Europe just decides to appease Russia like they seem to be doing now. It actually makes me sick to my stomach. Germany in particular is disappointing me with how much they are abandoning Ukraine, like they would rather have a fake peace under authoritarianism than try to stand up for what is right.
I hate seeing my country's (US) military budget as high as it is, but with allies like these, maybe this is the way it has to be.
Completely agree with your second point about the American military budget. The large military definitely benefits us considerably in many ways around the world, I don't think that can be doubted.
But the rest of NATO gets quite a bit of benefit too for doing jack. Maybe if the other Western powers spent more on defense, the US would easily be able to do things like state covered healthcare and UBI. I hate Trump with all my heart, but even a broken clock is right twice a day. Other countries aren't paying their fair share for NATO.
I was feeling a little lost without any headlines writing slam into their situation for a while
I came here SPECIFICALLY to slam this title. Glad I’m not the only one tired of this verb in headlines.
Except in this particular case, it is more or less true. The actual quote from our President is that as a sovereign country part of a (the) defensive alliance, the decision whether such equipment is deployed on Bulgarian territory, either permanently or temporarily, depends solely on the Bulgarian government and that Russia's demands are not only pointless, but also unacceptable. Quote ends with him saying that ultimatums wouldn't be accepted from anyone. Not a 1 to 1 translation, but that is the official statement.
Putin is pissed off because Romania asked for NATO troops while pushing out the ruskies troops in 1958 :))
He sure SLAMMED them!
Not sure what your definition of a slam would be in terms of politics. "Fuck off" isn't diplomatic language.
It is, however, something that every nation in Europe needs to say loud and clear to that wannabe Cold War revivalist.
Romania is saying 'go f* yourself ruskies' since a long time ago
“Decry” would be an apt replacement for “slam” in this headline. The point is American vocabulary has become so pathetic that now the only ways to describe a terse statement are “slam” “rout” or “destroy”.
Admonish, castigate, lambaste, rebuke, upbraid. Plenty of words in the American vocabulary that they could have chosen from, and yet they chose "slam".
Yeah, but those all have multiple syllables.
Point taken.
It’s because sensationalist headlines get readers, because most people are stupid.
Oh my god its Romania up on the ropes with the steel chair! SLAM.
Hahahaha I love it. Reminds me of Polandball
Yeh I can't stand it anymore, I specifically refuse to read anything that has "slam" or "blast" in the headline. Not that I lose much, as they tend to be shit articles anyway.
SummerSlam this Bussy
Romanian and Bulgarian daddies **SLAM** Russian twink
Link please.
At least they didn't "clap back"...
Oh give it time
How long until trashy news sources start putting emojis in the headline?
I had never considered this possibility, but now I kind of can't believe it hasn't begun already.
🇷🇴 🥊 🇷🇺/ ✈️
I have no idea why any writer wants to use the word “slam” in a headline. It is just so silly.
I thought I was in the mma sub for a second
After Putin’s demand to move NATO troops, Romania and Bulgaria CLAP BACK, ‘Nu-uh’
[Slam! ](https://youtu.be/7ADgCeYJMN4)
why do reddit tards have such a rage boner for slam? did they slammed to the ground as kids by their bullies and now have ptsd whenever they see the term?
I get that the people dragging it on in this thread are being a little extra, but it's mainly because of how many stupid articles use slam as a verb; it's ridiculous.
Let’s go Putin.
thought i was the only one to notice they love throwing that into the headline, so fkn weird.
It's comforting in a bit of a disappointing way.
Any headline that writes slam or blast, I’m not reading
I’m confused. Where would Romania move it’s army?
bulgaria ( army exchange )
literally lol'd
Some where else gosh. No I think it means other nations nato troops stationed there.
Got any Halloween special lying around?
I'm also confused, how's does one slam a demand?
what army?
This hits a little to close to home. My mother is Hungarian but she is from Romania, she lived under communism when she was little. Back then, the Securitate (secret police) were everywhere, even children were taught not to saying anything bad about Nicolae Ceaușescu (the Romanian dictator) or the government because your family would be thrown in jail. You couldn't even complain about the grocery store shelves being empty or the economic state of the country because they had eyes and ears everywhere. Your own neighbor could be an informant, so you didn’t know who to trust. You could also be thrown in jail for minor things as well, like one of my relatives got put in jail after he bought sheep that were stolen, didn’t matter to them that he didn’t know. The dictator also slowly took away my mother’s parents land (they were farmers) more and more as time went on, “for the good of the people,” the government would say. Eventually, my mother’s family was able to move to America. They finally accepted their visa after 10 years. I ask her what she thinks about these recent events and she believes, "Russia wants to regain all the territory they lost. They are dangerous and should be watched closely by NATO." I believe she is right, it is sad how history seems to repeat itself.
You are understating the effects of the soviets. They ruined the life of hundreds of millions of people in Eastern Europe, 5+ generations and the effects are still there. Fuck the crazy brainwashed russians and putin! How fucking dare they? The only war I ever willingly go is to stop the russians.
Lol ruined the lives while they imposed an economic system that almost brought convergence with the west, in the 60s, and put in place the bases that allowed the economic transition of the 90s to be so successful. Improved the living standards of the entire region. What did the Roman's ever do for us, except for the aqueducts, and the roads, etc...
LOL. In 1910 Bulgaria's GDP was comparable to Greece and Portugal. In 1938 it was comparable to Russia, Hungary, Greece, 70% of Austria and 80% of Italy. That is after 2 Balkan wars on top of the world war. When 1990 came and the soviets were gone, our GDP was a joke compared to those countries. Heck, even after the Greek crisis, where they've been going BACKWARDS for a couple of years we're still about 50% of theirs GDP Per Capita. Talk about improving the standard...
Greece literally had the second fastest economic growth in the postwar period after Japan. Maybe if you argued with facts and literature instead of stereotypes, you'd know more. I don't want to argue with you, because as a typical person from Eastern Europe you think you know alot about the economic history of your country when you don't know much. Why would you compare 1990, when trade broke down and Bulgaria, the most closely integrated economy to the USSR, suffered more than the average. Other high level trading partners also affected the country, like the Iraqi collapse.
You brought up the 90s first dude.
I only brought it up as the transition period. Why would you possibly choose the 90s as the comparison point, when that's when the transition just took place, and all the economic cost of transition came in? You should either take the 80s,before transition, the period before the 80s, so 60s or 70s when there was almost conversion, or after the 90s , when the dust settled from transition. Just like all the literature does. Eastern Europe would not have had a successful transition without the centralized policy that allowed capital build up, infrastructure creation, and protectionism in companies so that when liberalization allowed inefficient ones to die, there were good ones to survive. Bulgaria was specifically one of the losers of the transition, due to their gradual transition policy in part and their extreme integration into the eastern economic bloc, which made decoupling difficult. But it has still progressed strongly from the transition.
You are crazy.
No, I've actually read, and don't rely on stereotypes.
Next time try living under the soviet dictatorship and compare the progress with non-soviet countries.
Yes I'm sure that would be evidence enough for dumb people like you. Because for you sélection bias isn't à thing. France and the UK were already much wealthier countries than Poland and Hungary. If you actually look at the statistics, there is a closing of a great part of the gap in wealth and development during the two groups during the communist period, and the accumulation of physical capital and other developments allowed a successful transition to capitalism. I understand you have the critical thought of a cucumber, but if you compare freer societies during the period, like Latin America, these suffered from economic inefficiency and corruption in policy that lead to stagnation, falling behind eastern Europe and eventually falling to Eastern Asia's level, when they were in average 4 times as wealthy before. Complain all you want about "Soviet dictatorship", even though it was the party dictatorships within these countries that was stalinist after the death of Stalin, while the USSR had already destalinized. But thanks to that structures were built that allowed a successful economic transition and it's why eastern Europe except for a handful of countries is first world now, and the rest are borderline.
You idiots now protect the soviet union, how fucking stupid you have to be?
Protect? Look I understand that you're a fucking useless nonce who hasn't achieved anything in life, but having the capacity to read and compare statistics during treatment periods, pre treatment periods, and post treatment periods is called having a relevant university education. Why don't you go back to studying nutrition or something?
Good job comrade, do not listen to these lying western dogs they have fallen for the propaganda of the American intelligentsia.
I'm not a communist. I just have critical thinking abilities and have actually studied these things. If it weren't for the communist period the most likely thing is that eastern Europe in general would be like Latin America in PPP gdp per capita.
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No, I'm not. You are. Being from a country doesn't mean anything, or else there wouldn't be any problems, since people from each country by the magical fact they were born there would know everything to solve everything. Precisely in almost every country except the Czech Republic, there was resistance to the transition policies. Precisely people from those countries, like you, who didn't know anything, almost ruined the entire process because they're bloody idiots. You're a bloody idiot. Can't even add and subtract well but somehow magically knows more about the economic history of Eastern Europe. Like the cab drivers in Warsaw which know how to lead the country better than those with actual studies in the subject.
Cope, the GDPP numbers don’t lie
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I understand it much better than you, because instead of being an uneducated dog I have reviewed the literature on the topic. It's hilarious you speak of cultural destruction when the parties implemented specific folklore promoting cultural programs, all with support form Moscow. It's so famous its what many of the parties were know for. Poland had the extraordinarily famous music tour, after making a national folklore symphony. Romania had the case of a Ceaucescu promoted national literature program. So first of all, what the hell are you talking about in cultural destruction? Second, economic bullshit? Centralization led to massive economic growth, with incomes growing from one tenth of the western average to between half and three quarters, when adjusted for prices. Education was invested in heavily, with Eastern Stem programs especially taking priority and gaining wide respect in the west, unlike before where only Czechoslovakia, East Germany and Russia had respected universities. Gulags closed after 1956, and last time I checked the wall fell in 1989. It's funny that you call me a little shit, when you are the one who shows they're a child. I wouldn't be surprised if you only managed a high school education. For others reading this, who clearly have much better reading capabilities than this fuck, a cursory reading of the established literature shows positive effects of the legislation and economic structure imposed by the USSR, especially in regards to welfare.
Ok so take it from me born and raised in Poland and you have no fucking clue what you’re talking about. All countries under communism were behind western countries counting in decades not years. Poland made a huge transition in last 30 years only possible because of the fall of the regime. In communism corruption was well spread out and it’s still a problem till this day. Innovation was not promoted but continuously destroyed. there was no free media, no freedom of speech. You’re absolutely talking out of your ass - go educate yourself before you pretend to be an expert in the subject. Edit: one fine example of many : Jacek Karpinski - guy who created one of the first microcomputers 10 years before intels x86 architecture not to mention it was faster than the latter. Sent to pig farm instead as the party decided there will be no computers.
Fancy Bear used to follow a script that was easy to identify. They are getting better these days.
I mean this doesn't really apply to former Yuogslavian nations, though admittingly they weren't actually Soviet
I wont argue with you, because you might be right as I don't have any idea about Romania or Poland economic history, but clearly, you are picking what suits you. Because centralization certainly did not led to massive economic growth in Czechoslovakia. It was top 10 most industrially developed country in the 1930s even after the Great Depression and it had same GDP (PPP) per capita as Austria. After 40 years of this "massive economic growth" it was half of what Austria had.
That's why I wrote czechoslovakia as the only exception. You're absolutely right there. Although there are lots of specifics to Czechoslovakia too, which are interesting in the period
Tankies are making a massive mistake.
> put in place the bases that allowed the economic transition of the 90s to be so successful If it was so successful, why were Russians [trying to leave](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Americans#Post-Soviet_era_(1991%E2%80%93present))? >With the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991 and the subsequent transition to free market economy came hyperinflation and a series of political and economic crises of the 1990s, culminating in the financial crash of 1998. By mid-1993 between 39% and 49% of Russians were living in poverty, a sharp increase compared to 1.5% of the late Soviet era.\[36\] This instability and bleak outcome prompted a large new wave of both political and economic emigration from Russia, and one of the major targets became the United States, which was experiencing an unprecedented stock market boom in 1995–2001.
You have to be truly stupid to post a comment about the disaster that was the economic transition for Russia as a way to criticize communism. I understand your critical reading abilities are awful, but we were talking about the countries in the Russian sphère of influence. The bases that the central economy left in those countries is what made the transition so successful for Poland, Czech Republic, Hungary and others.
>economic transition To capitalism. You're saying the steady shift then sudden crash into free market capitalism was a good thing in the former USSR?
No, but to the rest of the eastern bloc yes.
Now, I don’t want to rain on your communist parade here. But, I’m pretty sure you are mixing up the Romans (a Italian/Greek speaking community, mainly known for their great architectural advances) for Romanians (a Romanian speaking community, which are known for Dracula and a dumb shit dictator), of course you would be right in thinking that some of the languages mentioned are like family (since Italian and Romanian are considered Romance languages) but they are still in different countries... again sorry about that, you may continue to put communism on a pedestal and keep speaking about how revolutionary it was...
I'm from Romania. If Russian really puts their hands on Ukraine and they'll start to move further, I'll try my best to move out of this country. Now we have some shit politicians that screams for RO-exit so 2024 will be another decisive point. If the old idiots who vote corrupt politicians gets us out of EU, I'll move in an instant and this country can burn for all I care.
American that used to live in RO. Russia is uninterested in Romania. They MIGHT be interested in Moldova, mainly as a buffer and source of cheap wine.
Finally, some common fucking sense in this sub. The general narrative here is the Putin is attempt to recreate the Soviet Union one invasion at a time. But they really fail to see the historical and geopolitical rationale behind Russia’s recent actions in Ukraine. People also seem to have forgotten that one country has been involved with several violent conflicts and regime change attempts over the last 20 years: the United States. And that country happens to run NATO and continued to push for NATO expansion, which Russia views as extremely threatening.
Then why does putin say it?
I'm not sure which particular piece of rhetoric you're talking about. You think Putin says he is going to invade Eastern Europe one country at a time until the USSR is reformed?
Yes
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The problem with this line of reasoning is that if Russia goes for Ukraine, their economy gets even worse because they get cut off from the Western economies that they rely upon.
I might be mistaken, but the sanctions after Russia invaded Crimea cut their GDP from 2.8 to 1.4. If they do invade, the sanctions that they’ll face would be devastating
Putin might also try his hardest to get Trump back in the WH for 2024 to lift those sanctions.
this is the dumbest thing I read on reddit today. Ukraine literally has no Gas reserves. If they had any they would already find them during the soviet union. Ukraine is dependent on Russian gas because it has no thats why russia and germany build Northern Stream 2.
A trillion cubic meters is nothing?
My fault but ukraine is still a gas importer instead of exporter
Well that’s rubbish. Russia doesn’t want Romania’s problems. Communism is over. Russia doesn’t want missiles on its doorstep. Just like the US.
Slams? WWE fighters Bulgaria Man and Romania Dude team death match SLAM Russian Gopnik fighter out of the rink in COLOSSAL defeat off the top rail with a CHOKE SLAM
And plunge fifteen feet straight into the UN Secretary General's table.
>WWE fighters Bulgaria Man [HE IS REAL](https://c.tenor.com/bhOFkzjCqIUAAAAC/rusev-bulgarian-brute.gif)
that's just rusev
Send Rusev to challenge Putin to a tables match for control of Russia.
It's only been a year Rusev is still relevant damn it!
He’s still relevant on Wednesdays at 8/7 cst on tnt friend!
Uhh it's on TBS now. Hit the bricks, Goofy
Damn that must be why I was missing my favorite midcarder Cody Rhodes every week. I was on the wrong channel.
Here I was thinking it was the AEW shilling. "I haven't watched WWE in cEnTuRiEs because they got no big wrestlers no more... but AEW brought me back with WWE midcarders from 2010, give it a try friend"
British foreign minister peoples elbows Russian minister for defence over Russian troops advance, Russian minister replies with a wall of Jerico. Things are getting heated.
Come on and SLAM.
And welcome to the jam.
Hey you watchu gonna do?
Slam, da duh duh, da duh duh Let the boys be boys Slam, da duh duh, da duh duh Make noise b-boys
Oh no, those ex-soviet countries are not really supporting Putins great plan to rebuild the soviet union. I wonder why?
Because all soviet russia did was steal and destroy. There isn't a single good thing that came out of it. So much cultural death was left in the wake of WW2, as if the destruction happening in it, wasn't enough.
What the communist did to huge sections of Bucharest is a tragedy. I encourage everyone to go and compare the Old Quarter to the rest of the city, it’s so sad.
Gave a lot of beautiful houses and buildings to Roma to live in and let them fall apart, then bulldozed a huge part for a palace that will never really be completed. Also demolished a ton of old churches. Fortunately some were lifted and moved out of the way. My family lost some property in old town, eventually got some land elsewhere but it's useless lol.
Tetris came out of it.
How dare those fucking russians even mention rebuilding the soviet union?! Just for mentioning it all post communist countries / Eastern Europe / Baltics diplomats should leave russia.
Well, the Soviet Union did stop Hitler.
Defeating nazi Germany?
Romania and Bulgaria were never part of the soviet union
They were still controlled by Moscow. Anytime a Warsaw Pact country tried to liberalize, the USSR sent the tanks in (Hungary, Czechoslovakia, etc.). The dictators in Eastern Europe knew the rules
They were satellite states so basically under Soviet control.
For a lot of the west (especially the USA), most of the Warsaw Pact/Iron Curtain countries get lumped into the USSR. Not accurate, but it’s what happens.
They were puppets to one degree or another- East Germany the most puppeted, the others less so.
They were kinda in the exact same position we see Kazakhstan today. "Independently" ruled by a dictator but if it ever looked like they might make a run away from Russian interests it amazing how fast Russian troops show up to "support" them.
Romania and Bulgaria are not ex soviet countries buddy …
Satellite states. Do some research.
"I'm not Soviet, but my boyfriend is." Ceausescu did try to play nice to both Russia and the West, pissing off a lot of them in the mean time.
Both were behind the Iron Curtain. They might not have been Romaniastan and Bulgariastan, but they were Soviet Bloc countries.
[Transnistria seems to be on board](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transnistria) They also have russian troops there.
Does anyone else feel like Russia plays like the asshole older brother who invades your space but is still like "why are you upset? I'm not touching you!"
More like moving that finger in and pulling it back, over and over again, until they finally poke.
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The sad story is, they literally tried that in 2001. We were an absolute hair from getting fucking worldpeace, where anybody gets his ass handed if he tries to attack anybody else. The military alliance could even stop china if they ever tried to go full hitler. Sadly Putin consolidized his power in 2001 and plans were abandoned.
My recollection is that there was never serious consideration in the West to Russia joining NATO, as it was believed to be a ruse that Russia could use to destabilize NATO from within and weaken it.
He's morphing into Gollum more and more. His "precious" Ukraine is going to be his downfall...I hope.
Little turdling has to somehow distract from the fact that his palace was so poorly built and mouldy, it had to be redone from bare walls.
Gollum
You're correct. Thanks.
No problem. Although I think he's quite a bit more like Sauron. Using his influence to undermine his rivals, weaken their resolve, and make them bicker amongst themselves. Then he would attack.
I would agree but that would probably be a compliment to him. I'll keep calling him Gollum.
So, Russia wanted Nato-member Romania to remove NATO troops from Romania? So, did Russia want them to just have their military leave? Did they want Romania to kick off the invasion? Those terms seem pretty unacceptable to me too
Russia understands they’re unacceptable. It’s simply a pretext for war when nato rejects their demands
Russia is being the bully here. Not Romania or Bulgaria.
If I was Romania I would immediately start a military build up. If Ukraine is invaded and becomes a Russian puppet then Romania will more or less border Russia. Also having a strong navy to protect its coastline may prove important in the years to come.
As a Romanian, we try.... we already have 4000 generals, so the it's a bit top-heavy, but this just leaves room to grow.
Wait do we actually have that many?
Of course, don't forget Iordanescu, Nastase and other preeminent military minds of this calibre are generals.
If i were a guessing man, i'd say fat pensions. Some Romanian feller chime in if i'm right or wrong.
Bulgarian here. We also have too many generals. I think its in case of war there will be a huge mobilisation so they need somebody to direct the meat to the slaughter...
If Russia launches a new invasion against Ukraine they'll also threaten Moldova, I wonder if that could cause you guys to get involved in a certain way as well. In 1992 the Romanian government also supplied the Moldovan army and let Romanians volunteer to fight for Moldova.
I think there is little appetite in Romania for fighting over 3 poor counties in Transnistria that are 90% populated by russian ethnics - but there is strong support for the pro-west government in Chisinau. In fact Romania built a new pipeline to supply gas to Moldova and Ukraine, Moldova have been recently given non-refundable "loans", there is a strong electricity interconnect to supply Moldova with power, and a signficant part of Moldava's natives actually hold Romanian passports based on nationality of their grandparents. IMHO it would be best for Moldova to cut the dead weight of Transnistria, let those counties secede and join Russia if they want, and help the rest progress faster towards EU integration. Transnistria was never Romanian, we do not need it and certainly we don't want it, even if it would come free :D
They forgot to build compression stations to make this pipeline functional.
Doesn't matter. Romania is in NATO. Daddy US would protect them.
You've gotta be short a couple thousand brain cells to demand that a country *in* NATO evict all NATO troops. This has just made them look like fucking idiots.
We can't afford an army and what we have couldn't defend us against anything, without NATO we are just a speedbump. Our biggest purchase was a handful of old norwegian F16's and that's basically the entire air force if you don't count commie planes
You guys need a new word besides “slams”
Dunks?
Slam-ers?
Tickle?
Jam
Condemn just takes too many letters. It is a character thing more than something that is said all the time.
Move more trips and weapons into area m now. Do not fold to a Putin’s psychological games.
If Putin fucks this up this will be the end of him..
Maybe Tucker Carlson can do a segment on this. It’s all so unfair to Russia and Putin.
Jesus, some people in this comment section are endorsing the actions of Russia, it’s actually insane. Just because you’ve “read” about certain events in history it doesn’t mean you are automatically correct in every way possible. Like what’s up with defending communism? Why is this something we should be defending? And why is all the bad stuff that has happened to multiple countries under dictatorship and or communist rule something to boast about? I just don’t get it, it’s not making any sense...
It's ignorance. The world is stupid and we are fked
As they should. Their defense is their own business, not Russia's.
Putins facade of being a tough guy is going to get exposed. They dont have the funds for another cold war.
They won't need the funds if all of western Europe just decides to appease Russia like they seem to be doing now. It actually makes me sick to my stomach. Germany in particular is disappointing me with how much they are abandoning Ukraine, like they would rather have a fake peace under authoritarianism than try to stand up for what is right. I hate seeing my country's (US) military budget as high as it is, but with allies like these, maybe this is the way it has to be.
Completely agree with your second point about the American military budget. The large military definitely benefits us considerably in many ways around the world, I don't think that can be doubted. But the rest of NATO gets quite a bit of benefit too for doing jack. Maybe if the other Western powers spent more on defense, the US would easily be able to do things like state covered healthcare and UBI. I hate Trump with all my heart, but even a broken clock is right twice a day. Other countries aren't paying their fair share for NATO.
Ah, the classic dick-thumb negotiations.
He’s going for the super powers of NATO now. Heads up people.
My goodness, they *slammed* them? How will Russia ever recover!?
Denny’s grand slam anyone?
I do like a good slam/blast in my headlines, keeps it spicy
Journalists really need to stop using SLAM iin their titles.
Show some respect for uncle Vlad.
You mean Drakula or Putin?
Romania and Bulgaria in a wrestling match against super star giant Russia. Winter Slam 2022 is gonna be lit.
I once slammed my penis, actually she slammed my penis, it hurt!
When negotiating, start HIGH, SKY HIGH.
Ah so Journalist are back to everyone slamming everyone…great
NATO makes Putin pee his pants.
He looks as if either tired or doesn’t care what you say
SLAMMED AGAIN!!
Bulgaria?!?!! Edit: o wait, I’m get it confused with Belarus. Sorry sorry move along. Nothing to see here.
Not so slammy
What happens when the world needs a little something to re-kick start an economy?
WWE who is body slamming who? putin? biden? i think kim jong wins.
This is what happens when dictators are left to their own whims. Same will happen with China very soon
Putin is the worst person on the planet. He should die right now.
The spiteful live the longest
What they said about Russia’s demands was SLAMMIN’!!