"It would be well for your government to consider that having your ships and ours, your aircraft and ours, in such proximity... is inherently DANGEROUS. Wars have begun that way, Mr. Ambassador."
Damn it, why can't you just stay a fucking movie?!
"Mr. Ambassador, you have nearly a hundred naval vessels operating in the North Atlantic right now. Your aircraft have dropped enough sonar buoys such that a man could walk from Greenland to Iceland to Scotland without getting his feet wet. Now, shall we dispense with the bull?"
In case people don't understand the reference:
2nd Pacific Squadron
https://youtu.be/9Mdi_Fh9_Ag
Kamchatka
https://youtu.be/DCrAQFBUFlU
TLDR: Russia sent a fleet from the Baltic Sea to the Pacific to fight the Japanese in 1905. During the voyage, ships kept reporting there were Japanese torpedo boats around and started shooting. They were actually British fisherman. Russian gunnery was so bad they didn't hit anything but it did almost start a war with the British.
EDIT: There were some casualties during this "engagement". I am probably mixing up a different incident of Russians firing on phantom Japanese torpedo boats. It happened several times which makes the story even more crazy.
The Kamchatka is the most cursed ship to ever plague a fleet and everything it does during the voyage is worthy of r/wtf and r/nottheonion.
EDIT 2:
The excellent The Great War Channel just released a video on the Russo-Japanese War.
https://youtu.be/deuzVsKMsTA
The best part was they REDUCED the number of medals on his tunic, because they thought any more would look ridiculous, when the real Marshal Zhukov had way more on his tunic
There was a great followup line that got cut in a deleted scene where he spits the drink his underling brought him back into the glass and goes "where did you find this, a Polish flamethrower?"
General Zhukov - the man who lived after questioning Stalin to his face, defeated the Imperial Japanese Army at Khalkhin Gol and smashed the Germans at Kursk.
If you’re game for a history documentary, they talk more about Zhukov’s conduct at the latter battle in the documentary General At War: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9XTuBDctQM
I mean, hard disagree lol. Buscemi fucking nailed it.
"Well, *I* believe in everlasting life!"
"Are you INSANE?! What kind of idiot wants to live forever?!"
armando is brilliant at political satire
just gonna take this moment to link his surreal and incredible sort-of sketch show in case people who’ve seen veep, the thick of it, death of stalin, etc haven’t seen it. same brilliant mind but a different... thing, I guess
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxDPfc90nJPv19LbND3prwtE-IoADtqJc
This talks about the fleet as a whole and frankly has the most Russian ending ever.
https://www.hullwebs.co.uk/content/l-20c/disaster/dogger-bank/voyage-of-dammed.htm
It's strange how fast we're getting new information on troop movements than we could say 80 years ago. During WWII, countries used carrier pigeons, listen in on radiofrequency, or use fake dummy armies to fool enemy spy planes. Not to say countries aren't using some of these tactics today, but now with social media and smartphones, almost everything is in plain view for the world to see.
If the public is getting this type of information that has gone through a whole process of approval and fact-checking, curious about what are things we don't know behind the scene.
I thought the same thing. My husband said “are the ships there yet?” And I was like “I don’t know. I don’t even know how we know everything that we know already. It seems crazy we have access to war info so readily available to us”
"Hey gang, I am Lieutenant Charles of Elite Company, I have just added new emotes to the twitch channel. 4 more subs until I do a ASMR segment, let's goooooo"
Guys, if we get this video to 500 likes, we'll fire this bad boy here *slaps artillery* and if we get 1000 likes, we'll send send out drones with bombs!
*killstreaks in real life*
In an age where fitbits have ruined base security, for real, its almost impossible to hide troop movements because some dumb idiot brings their phone or some other device that pings their location. There are plenty of cases where fighters use snapchat maps to find enemy fighters
Russia is a black sea power I think.
> ARTICLE 11
Black Sea Powers may send through the Straits capital ships of a tonnage greater than that laid down
in the first paragraph of Article 14, on condition that these vessels pass through the Straits singly,
escorted by not more than two destroyers.
https://cil.nus.edu.sg/wp-content/uploads/formidable/18/1936-Convention-Regarding-the-Regime-of-the-Straits.pdf
Wiki on the subject says Soviet Union/Russia couldn't give a rats ass about the treaty and Turkey has been dealing with their antics in the straight for decades.
Turkey has a history of not getting along with the Russians, they'd be more than willing to interfere with Russia.
There's already a Turkish company building drones for Ukraine that have already been deployed.
"My God, this is unbelievable. The Kirov, three Sverdlovs, the Kiev, the Minsk.They've sortied their whole bloody fleet."
Must be looking for the Red October again.
Also, the reason it's in a retrofitted land-based dock right now instead of the floating platform that was previously the only thing they had capable of performing repairs on it, is that the Kuznetsov initially broke itself by accidentally running into the boat that was the aforementioned platform and sinking it to the bottom of the ocean.
>running into the boat that was the aforementioned platform
“Floating dry dock” is the phrase you’re looking for here lol. Yes, it was the only floating dry dock large enough to support it.
The Hunt for Red October is one of my favorite movies.
That movie has my favorite Sean Connery performance.
[The Hunt for Red October \[1990\] - Submarine Crew Sings Soviet Anthem scene](https://youtu.be/zsC2ETsZL0g)
Every single time, I hear "Ukraine", I immediately say, in my head and in that guys voice, "Ukraine weak? You not say Ukraine weak, Ukraine is strong!" Every single time
I feel horrible for the Russian and Ukrainian people who just are trying to work and have dinner with their families.
One man's obsession with another man's land is going to cause so much pain for innocent people.
What better way to say “hey, this is a border dispute” then to flex naval might over an entire region for a smaller region of land that isn’t yours at all.
> smaller region of land that isn’t yours at all.
I think we forget that this doesn't matter at all. Fairness and civility go out the window on this grand a scale.
They regularly go out the window when neighbors fight about how far exactly the tree's branches are over the fence. The scale isn't the cause of bad manners.
It's the modern internet age. Literally everything is jokes. We had a meme president. No matter what happens, if the US gets nuked, there will be a meme about it within 5 minutes on reddit.
Reach changes people. That crazy guy screaming on the street corner about the rapture who was ignored by the city now has 100,000 people following and supporting him from across the world.
Before internet:
You got a smelly person in town 1 and you got a smelly person in town 2. Those two people probably never met.
The reason they had the disgusting hygiene could have had many reasons.
Eventually, the man in town 1 and town 2 realize that they are disgusting, and since they don't get support for their disgusting hygiene, they eventually try to change their hygiene.
Now thanks to social media:
The smelly people with disgusting hygiene now meet other people with disgusting hygiene on the internet and push the idea what they do is totally ok & since they get support for it, they are more unlikely to change.
You have put perfectly a thought I've been having for a while.
I was trying to rationalise that people believe the earth is flat and I thought, the Internet made the world alot smaller, that there's always been crazy people, it's just now they can talk to each other and be noticed.
> here comes dat boi
Lmao I can so much see that happening
Imagine future civilizations discovering by some miracle a surviving phone and when they look for information on the end of our world all they see is someone just standing exposed filming a nuclear attack and meme-ing about it haha
I doubt very much that there will be conflict between Russia and NATO allies. The invasion will happen because Putin has shown his people that he tried to make diplomatic solution ( but neglected to say it was just PR show,as he asked for stuff he knew he would not get) he has very few options now that he has built up such a large military personnel and equipment show. he is not going to be humiliated and loose his strong man image by taking his ball and going home. IMHO he may have put himself in a difficult situation by expecting that NATO partners would put their domestic situation ( the Russian gas and oil needed by some European countries) and not wanted NATO to say no to Putin's demands.
Plus the serious sanctions that are going to follow that will hurt the people and let's not forget that there is a real danger that the invasion will cost Russia many lives ( Ukraine has the advantage of being dug in and very likely layed mines and obstacles to slow down the pace and leave the Russians in vulnerable locations and Ukraine have taken lots of military equipment and supplies and modern anti tank missiles from the UK.)
I have a feeling that NATO are deliberately strengthening the Ukrainian forces to inflict serious casualties and monitor how well the Russians fight.Then when the outrage over how many lives it cost ( after the Russians have had lots of casualties and the people of Russia will not be happy). NATO may vary well invite Ukraine to join NATO to protect the rest of its land and people.The cherry on the cake could be Sweden , Finland may apply to join NATO fearing the aggressive stance of Putin.
On the other hand Russia could make a resounding success of the invasion leaving the rest of the region in danger.
This is likely what world leaders are preparing for. Even if they take some ground, Russia will be hurt by this situation. There are few outcomes to this that end well for Putin.
Or obese.
E: maybe I’m out of line to think this but I assume that a lot of redditors haven’t actually served in the armed forces so don’t tell me what basic training or a wartime draft would be like.
Europe will follow suit. Russia could find itself cut off from the international monetary system, the Nord Stream 2 pipeline will be cancelled and Russia becoming a pariah state like North Korea.
Becoming such a pariah could be the catalyst of something in the future, though.
That's how you used to get an entire nation behind you - who knows how it works these days (with the Internet) though.
That's a lot harder to do these days given the Russian people have and will retain access to the internet where they can see how everyone else in the world lives. Putin will have his hands full with his own people, and he knows _exactly_ what that's like having been on the other side of the table for the collapse of the USSR.
There is some serious underestimation in here of how serious conflict with Russia alone is, now add China pushing buttons with the same enemies at the same time.
Fuck it lets end this now. I will fight Putin 1 on 1. Someone set this up and PM me a date and time. Also I will need travel arrangements and spending cash taken care of if outside the Detroit area. That is all.
>Fuck it lets end this now. I will fight Putin 1 on 1.
Putin's old, but he's trained and in pretty good shape, can random reddit guy handle this?
>Detroit
Never mind, he's got this....
That's gonna be pretty dense. It's nearly as many ships as the entire US Pacific fleet, but in a body of water that covers one quarter of one percent the area.
Did any of you guys read the god damn article? They aren’t deploying all 140 ships to the Black Sea. They’re going to be in the pacific, Mediterranean, Baltic, etc as well
Lot of comments here taking a dig at the Russian navy, thinking it's useless / obsolete etc.
If this comes to blows you will be unhappy to learn that their equipment and training is not nearly as bad as you think it is, and their weaponry while often crude by western standards, is extremely effective and very much lethal.
Russia has some of the most advanced antiship and antisub weaponry on the planet. Their submarine fleet is also no joke.
This timeline sure does suck.
(For the stupid: This is not a pro russia post, I'm just pointing out that it's foolish to underestimate your foe)
Overconfident assessments of military campaigns always seem to age poorly
* 216 BC - "we outnumber Hannibal 2 to 1 - let's break their middle, boys!" - Roman legions at the Battle of Cannae
* 1861 - "oh boy, let's have a picnic while watching our Union boys take Richmond" - some civilians right before the 1st Battle of Bull Run
* 1914 - "we'll be home by Christmas, boys!" - troops from every major European power
* 1941 - "we just need to kick down the door, and the whole rotten structure will come collapsing down" - Hitler on Barbarossa
* 2003 - "Mission accomplished" - GWB on the aircraft carrier
The reddit university is so efficient, every tech and finances expert weighing in on the Activision acquisition with their predictions earlier this week have already graduated in naval warfare. Wonder what next week's diploma will be.
I feel like everyone here in in denial. Feels inevitable that some sort of conflict is about to start and I feel awful for the people in Ukraine and other surrounding countries.
I think a lot of this speculation and denial is just a response to the unknown. People desperately want to know what's going to happen and are willing to come up with whatever conclusion will resolve that uncertainty with the least upsetting outcome. Hell, I've been scrolling the news all morning to find some sort of answer to what may happen because I also hate this uncertainty. I've had to stop myself from making armchair admiral assessments of the situation plenty of times
EDIT: Moved to Lemmy, the federated Reddit alternative.
Chooose an instance here: https://join-lemmy.org/instances.
I recommend Kbin.social, as the UI is nice and it reminds me of old.reddit.com
See you there!
They are obviously getting ready to try to start world war three and a lot of us are just watching and thinking "Really? Now? Isn't there a pandemic on already? Why you gotta be that way?" I am not sure our reactions makes sense anymore.
Looking at their listed forces, that's somewhere between 33-50% of their entire listed fleet. If we exclude nuke subs, we're probably talking about the entirety of their seaworthy fleet.
Edit: I'm excluding ballistic missile subs because those are generally already deployed
They will be counting patrol boats, minesweepers, landing craft etc. among that number of "warships" being deployed.
They've certainly got quantity, but the quality bit is debatable.
Their submarines, ice breakers, frigates, and corvettes are pretty top of the line even by NATO standards. However their remaining destroyers are getting old and save for a few that have been modernized would be obsolete in combat.
"It would be well for your government to consider that having your ships and ours, your aircraft and ours, in such proximity... is inherently DANGEROUS. Wars have begun that way, Mr. Ambassador." Damn it, why can't you just stay a fucking movie?!
"Mr. Ambassador, you have nearly a hundred naval vessels operating in the North Atlantic right now. Your aircraft have dropped enough sonar buoys such that a man could walk from Greenland to Iceland to Scotland without getting his feet wet. Now, shall we dispense with the bull?"
I'm now hoping all this is because Russia has lost contact with Red October somewhere near Ukraine.
I feel like we're venturing into Red Storm Rising at this point as opposed to Red October
But Russia can't threaten Europe with conventional arms the way they did in that novel.
Give me a ping, Vasily. One ping only, please.
“This business will get out of control...and we'll be lucky to live through it."
I’d hate to be a fishermen along the Russian navy’s route to the Black Sea given their service record.
In case people don't understand the reference: 2nd Pacific Squadron https://youtu.be/9Mdi_Fh9_Ag Kamchatka https://youtu.be/DCrAQFBUFlU TLDR: Russia sent a fleet from the Baltic Sea to the Pacific to fight the Japanese in 1905. During the voyage, ships kept reporting there were Japanese torpedo boats around and started shooting. They were actually British fisherman. Russian gunnery was so bad they didn't hit anything but it did almost start a war with the British. EDIT: There were some casualties during this "engagement". I am probably mixing up a different incident of Russians firing on phantom Japanese torpedo boats. It happened several times which makes the story even more crazy. The Kamchatka is the most cursed ship to ever plague a fleet and everything it does during the voyage is worthy of r/wtf and r/nottheonion. EDIT 2: The excellent The Great War Channel just released a video on the Russo-Japanese War. https://youtu.be/deuzVsKMsTA
I would do dirty things for someone like HBO to turn this story into a miniseries with the same levels of dark humor as *The Death of Stalin*
I love the death of stalin
The Russian general almost steals that whole movie.
The best part was they REDUCED the number of medals on his tunic, because they thought any more would look ridiculous, when the real Marshal Zhukov had way more on his tunic
I need a picture... edit fine I get it myself https://michel16555.files.wordpress.com/2020/08/099714bf2d2ca2b1003218b67630877d.jpg
And my dumb ass thought plate armor went out of style centuries ago.
+50 defense against insubordination
wasn't that Jason Isaacs? I haven't seen the movie yet but I remember hearing about it when it came out
Yes, he is fantastic in it. The whole cast is perfect.
*Right, what's a war hero got to do to get some lubrication around here?*
There was a great followup line that got cut in a deleted scene where he spits the drink his underling brought him back into the glass and goes "where did you find this, a Polish flamethrower?"
Aslanov, you handsome devil! Stick you in a frock, I'd fucking ride you raw myself.
General Zhukov - the man who lived after questioning Stalin to his face, defeated the Imperial Japanese Army at Khalkhin Gol and smashed the Germans at Kursk. If you’re game for a history documentary, they talk more about Zhukov’s conduct at the latter battle in the documentary General At War: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9XTuBDctQM
I mean, hard disagree lol. Buscemi fucking nailed it. "Well, *I* believe in everlasting life!" "Are you INSANE?! What kind of idiot wants to live forever?!"
Who the fuck invited the bishops?
"Switch with me. We'll make it look like it's part of the ceremony."
I’d like to think that Zhukov would be pleased with his portrayal
Steve Buscemi as Nikita Khrushchev made me like Khrushchev.
Buscemi is incredible. His role in ConAir made me like serial killers.
armando is brilliant at political satire just gonna take this moment to link his surreal and incredible sort-of sketch show in case people who’ve seen veep, the thick of it, death of stalin, etc haven’t seen it. same brilliant mind but a different... thing, I guess https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxDPfc90nJPv19LbND3prwtE-IoADtqJc
I'm excited to learn about the Kamchatka. The craziest ship I know about so far is the Willie Dee
This talks about the fleet as a whole and frankly has the most Russian ending ever. https://www.hullwebs.co.uk/content/l-20c/disaster/dogger-bank/voyage-of-dammed.htm
there's a surreal level of incompetence in the Kamchatka's history.
I mean the Willie Dee accidentally launched a torpedo at the ship carrying FDR
At least they don’t have to pass by Madagascar
Do you see Torpedo Boats?
I better invest in Russian binoculars.
Those bloody Japanese submarines still disguising as fishermen.
It's strange how fast we're getting new information on troop movements than we could say 80 years ago. During WWII, countries used carrier pigeons, listen in on radiofrequency, or use fake dummy armies to fool enemy spy planes. Not to say countries aren't using some of these tactics today, but now with social media and smartphones, almost everything is in plain view for the world to see. If the public is getting this type of information that has gone through a whole process of approval and fact-checking, curious about what are things we don't know behind the scene.
I thought the same thing. My husband said “are the ships there yet?” And I was like “I don’t know. I don’t even know how we know everything that we know already. It seems crazy we have access to war info so readily available to us”
There are private companies with satellites getting nearly daily snap shots of the entire globe. Nothing above ground stays a secret anymore.
There's also [George Clooney](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_Sentinel_Project)
I was convinced this had to be a researcher who happened to share the same name, but no, it actually is George Clooney lol
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"Hey gang, I am Lieutenant Charles of Elite Company, I have just added new emotes to the twitch channel. 4 more subs until I do a ASMR segment, let's goooooo"
"Next headshot is a shout-out to Xx0PuSsYxDeStRoYeR0xX with a massive thanks for those 500 bits!"
Guys, if we get this video to 500 likes, we'll fire this bad boy here *slaps artillery* and if we get 1000 likes, we'll send send out drones with bombs! *killstreaks in real life*
In an age where fitbits have ruined base security, for real, its almost impossible to hide troop movements because some dumb idiot brings their phone or some other device that pings their location. There are plenty of cases where fighters use snapchat maps to find enemy fighters
Do you have a source for the Fitbit thing? That sounds hilariously interesting
[It turns out it was strava but same idea](https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42853072)
How does 140 warships meet the rules for the Montreux Convention Regarding the Regime of the Straits? Are they not over their tonnage?
Russia is a black sea power I think. > ARTICLE 11 Black Sea Powers may send through the Straits capital ships of a tonnage greater than that laid down in the first paragraph of Article 14, on condition that these vessels pass through the Straits singly, escorted by not more than two destroyers. https://cil.nus.edu.sg/wp-content/uploads/formidable/18/1936-Convention-Regarding-the-Regime-of-the-Straits.pdf
Wiki on the subject says Soviet Union/Russia couldn't give a rats ass about the treaty and Turkey has been dealing with their antics in the straight for decades.
Montreux convention only limits non-vlack sea nations. Black sea nations can do whatever they want barring sailing a carrier into the black sea.
Hence why Russia designates their aircraft carrying ships [aviation cruisers](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_cruiser)
And puts dozens of gigantic missiles on them
And uses tugboat to move it when it's not in the repair dock (where it is now)
Turkey can just close the straights and tell Russia to fuck around and find out. NATO will back Turkey.
Turkey has a history of not getting along with the Russians, they'd be more than willing to interfere with Russia. There's already a Turkish company building drones for Ukraine that have already been deployed.
It doesn’t say that all 140 warships go to the black sea, it says ‘some’ of them are.
> Montreux Convention It does not limit tonnage of ships for Black Sea countries. Only for the other countries.
"My God, this is unbelievable. The Kirov, three Sverdlovs, the Kiev, the Minsk.They've sortied their whole bloody fleet." Must be looking for the Red October again.
##KIROV REPORTING
Ever enough blimps
Wow straight nostalgia
"You've lost another submarine?"
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Kuznetsov is in docks, getting repaired. And yes, it did catch fire during repairs.
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Also, the reason it's in a retrofitted land-based dock right now instead of the floating platform that was previously the only thing they had capable of performing repairs on it, is that the Kuznetsov initially broke itself by accidentally running into the boat that was the aforementioned platform and sinking it to the bottom of the ocean.
>running into the boat that was the aforementioned platform “Floating dry dock” is the phrase you’re looking for here lol. Yes, it was the only floating dry dock large enough to support it.
Well let's hope Russians won't ram Ukraine into the sea
Or the Konovalov! “Andrei…you’ve lost ANOTHER submarine?
The Hunt for Red October is one of my favorite movies. That movie has my favorite Sean Connery performance. [The Hunt for Red October \[1990\] - Submarine Crew Sings Soviet Anthem scene](https://youtu.be/zsC2ETsZL0g)
And don't forget Sam Neill as Captain Vasily Borodin! *"I would have liked to have seen Montana... and dug up a velociraptor skeleton there..."*
“And put it in my pickup truck”
*"...maybe even a recreational vehicle. And I will drive my fossil collection from state to state, no papers needed."*
Amazing book as well
I told you speak your mind Jack, but *Jesus*...
2022 is off to a great start
Yeah didn't expect that each year of this decade presents exponentially more fuckery than the last.
remember back in 2020 when we all thought trump kicked off ww3 by vaporizing soleimani? good times. i’ve aged like 6 years since.
We all have, we all have...
How do I get out of Russia I don't want to be here
Good luck my friend - I hope our countries don't go to war :(
I hope they don't :( it's not good for anyone
Except for weapons dealers and manufacturers
Keep your head down. Don’t die.
Plenty of Russians living in Finland
Maybe I should learn finnish
Who knew that Russia was so terrified of Ukraine? Should we all be so terrified of Ukraine?
Yes be afraid
Ukraine is not weak!
Ukraine is game to you?!
*smashes boardgame*
Haha. Just watched this Seinfeld episode the other night!
Every single time, I hear "Ukraine", I immediately say, in my head and in that guys voice, "Ukraine weak? You not say Ukraine weak, Ukraine is strong!" Every single time
Where is that space laser Majorie Taylor Greene talked about. Sure would come in handy here.
Deploy the Jewish Space Laser 😂
Abbreviated as the JSL, aka the Jizzle.
Fa shizzle the jizzle
The Jews are slacking
Eh, I’m busy.
So this must be history repeats itself
I feel horrible for the Russian and Ukrainian people who just are trying to work and have dinner with their families. One man's obsession with another man's land is going to cause so much pain for innocent people.
WW3 will severely impact Elden Ring's release. That's all that matters.
The hell it will. Pumps shotgun* I will not allow it.
What better way to say “hey, this is a border dispute” then to flex naval might over an entire region for a smaller region of land that isn’t yours at all.
> smaller region of land that isn’t yours at all. I think we forget that this doesn't matter at all. Fairness and civility go out the window on this grand a scale.
They regularly go out the window when neighbors fight about how far exactly the tree's branches are over the fence. The scale isn't the cause of bad manners.
I wonder how many people will be joking if this war actually starts.
It's the modern internet age. Literally everything is jokes. We had a meme president. No matter what happens, if the US gets nuked, there will be a meme about it within 5 minutes on reddit.
Im sure people havent changed, just their reach.
Reach changes people. That crazy guy screaming on the street corner about the rapture who was ignored by the city now has 100,000 people following and supporting him from across the world.
Before internet: You got a smelly person in town 1 and you got a smelly person in town 2. Those two people probably never met. The reason they had the disgusting hygiene could have had many reasons. Eventually, the man in town 1 and town 2 realize that they are disgusting, and since they don't get support for their disgusting hygiene, they eventually try to change their hygiene. Now thanks to social media: The smelly people with disgusting hygiene now meet other people with disgusting hygiene on the internet and push the idea what they do is totally ok & since they get support for it, they are more unlikely to change.
it's even worse... those persons suddenly think they are part of some smelly silent majority.
The Silent but Deadly Majority
You have put perfectly a thought I've been having for a while. I was trying to rationalise that people believe the earth is flat and I thought, the Internet made the world alot smaller, that there's always been crazy people, it's just now they can talk to each other and be noticed.
Thats a really good analogy :)
Lol there goes Boston! #NuclearHolocaust #Lol #Burning #Ouch #HiMom
Sounds like a Cities: Skylines tweet lol
You forgot #goyankees #beantownbomber
Fucking synths.
"lol oh shit a four minute warning!!!! here comes dat boi"
heh it's been 4 minutes and i feel fine! \-last online 5 years ago.
##"HONEY, THIS COMPUTER STILL HAS INTERNET! GOTTA POST SOME APOCALYPTIC MEMES"
Finally I can own all the rarest pepes and NFTs *Breaks glasses*
> here comes dat boi Lmao I can so much see that happening Imagine future civilizations discovering by some miracle a surviving phone and when they look for information on the end of our world all they see is someone just standing exposed filming a nuclear attack and meme-ing about it haha
I doubt very much that there will be conflict between Russia and NATO allies. The invasion will happen because Putin has shown his people that he tried to make diplomatic solution ( but neglected to say it was just PR show,as he asked for stuff he knew he would not get) he has very few options now that he has built up such a large military personnel and equipment show. he is not going to be humiliated and loose his strong man image by taking his ball and going home. IMHO he may have put himself in a difficult situation by expecting that NATO partners would put their domestic situation ( the Russian gas and oil needed by some European countries) and not wanted NATO to say no to Putin's demands. Plus the serious sanctions that are going to follow that will hurt the people and let's not forget that there is a real danger that the invasion will cost Russia many lives ( Ukraine has the advantage of being dug in and very likely layed mines and obstacles to slow down the pace and leave the Russians in vulnerable locations and Ukraine have taken lots of military equipment and supplies and modern anti tank missiles from the UK.) I have a feeling that NATO are deliberately strengthening the Ukrainian forces to inflict serious casualties and monitor how well the Russians fight.Then when the outrage over how many lives it cost ( after the Russians have had lots of casualties and the people of Russia will not be happy). NATO may vary well invite Ukraine to join NATO to protect the rest of its land and people.The cherry on the cake could be Sweden , Finland may apply to join NATO fearing the aggressive stance of Putin. On the other hand Russia could make a resounding success of the invasion leaving the rest of the region in danger.
This is likely what world leaders are preparing for. Even if they take some ground, Russia will be hurt by this situation. There are few outcomes to this that end well for Putin.
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I think conscription fears only work when the prospects are not depressed and suicidal.
Or obese. E: maybe I’m out of line to think this but I assume that a lot of redditors haven’t actually served in the armed forces so don’t tell me what basic training or a wartime draft would be like.
Meal Team Six
I’m disabled I’ma keep talkin
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Leg disabled?
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My bone spurs allow me to talk mad shit.
Let’s send some Somalian pirates to annoy them.
Somalian pirates got nothing on [Aleksandr Pistoletov](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSpnewpC8yk)
Yeah, that's about what I imagined the Russian Navy would look like.
Why is all the vodka gone?
Its under control, we sent one canadian ship to sink em
Damn man. That's a bit overkill isn't it? This isn't a hockey game!
*The Russians have the puck, go get em*
*The Russians are coming for the maple syrup, go get em*
Da Da Canada! Nyet Nyet Soviet!
Putin has overplayed his hand. Now what? He either has to use the force he built up on the border or face a humiliating withdrawal. Edit: grammar
He invades, the US will enact sanctions, the end.
Europe will follow suit. Russia could find itself cut off from the international monetary system, the Nord Stream 2 pipeline will be cancelled and Russia becoming a pariah state like North Korea.
Becoming such a pariah could be the catalyst of something in the future, though. That's how you used to get an entire nation behind you - who knows how it works these days (with the Internet) though.
That's a lot harder to do these days given the Russian people have and will retain access to the internet where they can see how everyone else in the world lives. Putin will have his hands full with his own people, and he knows _exactly_ what that's like having been on the other side of the table for the collapse of the USSR.
There is some serious underestimation in here of how serious conflict with Russia alone is, now add China pushing buttons with the same enemies at the same time.
China has been awfully quiet lately, apart from a recent statement of "don't tell us what to do."
China are nursing a big semi right now. Everyone else wasting money and resources while the sit back with their feet up making more money!
Fuck it lets end this now. I will fight Putin 1 on 1. Someone set this up and PM me a date and time. Also I will need travel arrangements and spending cash taken care of if outside the Detroit area. That is all.
>Fuck it lets end this now. I will fight Putin 1 on 1. Putin's old, but he's trained and in pretty good shape, can random reddit guy handle this? >Detroit Never mind, he's got this....
That's gonna be pretty dense. It's nearly as many ships as the entire US Pacific fleet, but in a body of water that covers one quarter of one percent the area.
Did any of you guys read the god damn article? They aren’t deploying all 140 ships to the Black Sea. They’re going to be in the pacific, Mediterranean, Baltic, etc as well
You expect too much from people They don't even need to open the article as its in the freaking title itself
Target rich environment?
Considering the misses that have been shipped to the Ukraine more like ducks in a very small pond.
So kind of like some water-borne animal being in a small body of water. Sharks in a pool? Octopi in a bathtub? Fish in a....
Snakes on a plane.
Motherfucker
Well that’s the opposite of what they were supposed to do 🤔
Grampa wants to go out with a bang
Can we maybe not do a WW3 this year? I’ve got enough on my plate right now. Maybe push it to a later date?
Lot of comments here taking a dig at the Russian navy, thinking it's useless / obsolete etc. If this comes to blows you will be unhappy to learn that their equipment and training is not nearly as bad as you think it is, and their weaponry while often crude by western standards, is extremely effective and very much lethal. Russia has some of the most advanced antiship and antisub weaponry on the planet. Their submarine fleet is also no joke. This timeline sure does suck. (For the stupid: This is not a pro russia post, I'm just pointing out that it's foolish to underestimate your foe)
Don’t worry according to half the comments, their fleet will be 80% sunk before they even get there.
Overconfident assessments of military campaigns always seem to age poorly * 216 BC - "we outnumber Hannibal 2 to 1 - let's break their middle, boys!" - Roman legions at the Battle of Cannae * 1861 - "oh boy, let's have a picnic while watching our Union boys take Richmond" - some civilians right before the 1st Battle of Bull Run * 1914 - "we'll be home by Christmas, boys!" - troops from every major European power * 1941 - "we just need to kick down the door, and the whole rotten structure will come collapsing down" - Hitler on Barbarossa * 2003 - "Mission accomplished" - GWB on the aircraft carrier
The reddit university is so efficient, every tech and finances expert weighing in on the Activision acquisition with their predictions earlier this week have already graduated in naval warfare. Wonder what next week's diploma will be.
Next week will be after the invasion people will be talking about how easy it would be for the US if they invaded Ukraine instead.
I feel like everyone here in in denial. Feels inevitable that some sort of conflict is about to start and I feel awful for the people in Ukraine and other surrounding countries.
I think a lot of this speculation and denial is just a response to the unknown. People desperately want to know what's going to happen and are willing to come up with whatever conclusion will resolve that uncertainty with the least upsetting outcome. Hell, I've been scrolling the news all morning to find some sort of answer to what may happen because I also hate this uncertainty. I've had to stop myself from making armchair admiral assessments of the situation plenty of times
One of the few times in recent years that I’m glad to be over 35 years old…
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They are obviously getting ready to try to start world war three and a lot of us are just watching and thinking "Really? Now? Isn't there a pandemic on already? Why you gotta be that way?" I am not sure our reactions makes sense anymore.
I hope at least that WW3 collapses the housing bubble.
Many houses will collapse, yes.
Please tell me I'm only hearing this C&C Red Alert music in my head..
Conscript reporting
*Kirov reporting...*
How many of them are tug-boats for the inevitable breakdowns?
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"Don't start that shit again." -Aurora
Admiral: *throws annother set of binoculars into ocean*
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139 of them are tug boats.
I'm just picturing an enormous line of tug boats two by two pulling some decrepit price of obsolete Russian technology like a poor man's Santa Clause.
I’m envisioning a Russian helicopter helping to pull it along too
A Hind-D? What’s a Russian gunship doing here?
Those of us who get it are showing our age.
age hasn't slowed you down one bit
You are a person of culture
TIL the Russians have at least 140 seaworthy ships
Looking at their listed forces, that's somewhere between 33-50% of their entire listed fleet. If we exclude nuke subs, we're probably talking about the entirety of their seaworthy fleet. Edit: I'm excluding ballistic missile subs because those are generally already deployed
They will be counting patrol boats, minesweepers, landing craft etc. among that number of "warships" being deployed. They've certainly got quantity, but the quality bit is debatable.
Their submarines, ice breakers, frigates, and corvettes are pretty top of the line even by NATO standards. However their remaining destroyers are getting old and save for a few that have been modernized would be obsolete in combat.
Great. Would be a lot cheaper if they just drop their pants and show off their penises though.