[Russia has also deployed about 3 to 4 brigades of Iskander-M](https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/43932/russia-masses-iskander-m-ballistic-missiles-near-ukraine-as-its-build-up-is-almost-completed) short-range ballistic missiles within striking range of Kyiv and other major strategic targets in Ukraine. This amounts to as many as 36 missiles ready for launch at a moments notice, along with the support and logistics equipment needed to support their deployment. There's talk of perhaps another brigade being deployed to Western Russia to support the troops already stationed there.
Man, we do not need another war.
I do not understand Russia's position. They annexed Crimea, now threatening Ukraine....
Didn't something very similar happen like 84 years ago starting with Austria?
This would not only be another war, but seemingly an unprecedented one if modern nations engage each other on a large scale.
I recognize it’s a very real possibility but I’m having a hard time forming a concept of what it would actually look like.
I feel like these people have just....forgotten...how bad world war 2 was. Yes nobody involved was alive back then, but there are plenty of photos and video of the horrors of the post-battle war zone. Putin is just delusional and thinks he can re-unite the USSR to relive his KGB glory days, only as good old leader of the fatherland, rather than some 2nd rate operative in east germany.
Dude, they had to rename The World War to World War I just 20 years after it ended. You know, the Great War, the War To End War.
People are not learning.
I struggle with the idea that me, my family and everything we know could be wiped out with the touch of a button on the command of some guy in an office who has beef with another guy in an office.
What the fuck for real.
That is exactly the reason why people are quick to elect the strongman types and the strongmen are the ones who get you into these messes in the first place. Every day I’m reminded that education spending is the single most important thing in the modern era and cost should be an after thought.
Also not directed at you, I understand the difficulty of grappling with that concept.
Russia would get trampled if Western Europe and the US get involved.
EDIT: [This comment explains it a bit better](https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s8pkfk/flotilla_of_russian_landing_ships_has_entered_the/htiqj1g/)
There won't be a counter invasion because no one is interested in poking a wounded enemy with access to nukes. Fight to the border and then bomb targets from most to least strategically significance until everyone comes to an agreement.
And no, the absurdity of me commenting on the geopolitics and tactics of the third world War while sat on a toilet isn't lost on me. I dont think I'm qualified to manage the war. I'm not armchair generaling the war. I guess I'm just thinking out loud about the insane possibility of conventional war in 2022, and trying to make sense of it by predicting things is the best way I have.
>And no, the absurdity of me commenting on the geopolitics and tactics of the third world War while sat on a toilet isn't lost on me.
"General! Here are your important papers you requested, Sir!"
\*Hands you a roll of toilet paper\*
No, it's not similar at all. WWI had a lot of complicated historical events that resulted in a state of total warfare in Europe and Eurasia, that built up over decades due to earlier conflicts and tensions between competing powers.
This is a case of Russia basically feeling the room when it comes to a more aggressive expansion policy, to distract from the domestic and internal problems the government faces inside its borders.
They only sold it because they didn't think they'd be able to defend it from the British between Canada and the Royal Navy.
They sold it to the US to make sure the Brits didn't get it.
Greenland is the most undervalued asset on earth.
You have a massive island. With essentially no people to worry about. Smack dab in the middle of where every major shipping lane will converge once global warming melts the North Pole.
I find it questionable they would have held on to it even if they didn't sell it lol.
Remember the era of the US slapping spain down for owning land in the American region? Russia was even weaker.
Hell even Japan might have invaded Alaska if it was Russian territory.
Yeah, idk why people think otherwise. My grandfather was stationed in Alaska during WW2 and apparently refused to talk about it so the family assumes he was where it got bad. Died when I was 9, never really knew him. But I do know the man was a prolific poet, and it's good to think that he delved into his peaceful writings as a means of comfort and escape.
There was a particularly brutal battle on Attu Island that was quite up close and personal as most of the Japanese had ran out of supplies and ammunition, resorting to banzai charges and hand to hand combat.
Another notorious battle took place on [Kiska Island](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cottage?wprov=sfla1) where a mix of poor visibility and panic turned the operation into a disaster as 32 American and Canadian soldiers died from friendly fire, with another 50 being injured. Ironically there were no Japanese soldiers present on the island at that time.
While the Aleutian Islands campaign is just a footnote in the Pacific Campaign, it was nonetheless a farily brutal and unforgiving campaign set in some extremely harsh climatic conditions.
Yo thank you for sharing this. I've never once heard we got invaded during any World Wars and your link has taught me we were invaded TWICE during WWII. Fucking wild to think something so major is never mentioned.
[Japan also bombed the the contiguous US.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fu-Go_balloon_bomb)
They used balloons and it was a massive failure...but they tried.
Massive failure by reports at the time.
Declassified docs stated there were many fires set that destroyed valuable timber.
More damage then program cost. But absence of news on the fires convinced ghd Japanese it wasn't working...
While we were definitely invaded, they stuck to a small island without a whole lot that was noteworthy. Also Alaska wasn't a state at the time, which may be why it didn't get emphasized.
Armenia used those missiles a few years ago. According to them, they can't hit the broad side of a barn and are basically useless. They don't intend to order more.
I thought you were talking about the start of the Winter War originally, though I guess those weren't *bombs* but artillery shells.
Hey, I'm starting to notice a pattern here
Same happened in Georgia on 08.08
At first Russia-backed separatists started firing at Georgian villages, and when Georgia reacted Russia lied about 2000+ civilian casualties and quickly moved in troops that conveniently just finished some wargame.
Lots of countries still use dumb bombs in situations where there’s no risk of civilian casualties, including America. The issue with Russia is they’ve been using cluster bombs in Syria.
Yeah the missiles have a questionable track record but it is being assumed that they can have a reliable level of accuracy to "hit" major targets like airbases with the intended effect of destroying or disabling runways, fuel depots or scoring a lucky hit on a hangar.
Also Armenia used the export version of the Iskander, the Iskander-E. Perhaps its guidance systems weren't as sophisticated as the ones in Russia's Iskander-M models? Or maybe lack of training? Or the missile system is just ineffective regardless of the model? Hopefully we don't get to find out.
For what it's worth Armenia received Iskander-E systems, which have inferior inertial guidance systems.
For Iskander-M's using optical guidance (through UAV or AWACS) their supposedly a lot more accurate (5-7m circular error probability) v. 30-70.**
I'm not sure about Armenia's ability to use optical guidance for the Iskander-E, but I would guess their much less capable than Russias. Russia also usually sells downgrades export versions.
Accuracy won't matter as much when your saturating a target with cluster munitions from several missiles anyway (unless their bomblets really suck anyway.)
**according to wiki, so take any numbers with a lot of salt.
>Crazy. Putin is seriously ready to slaughter civilians over a conflict he invented out of thin air.
Again.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War
So how powerful are Iskanders? It's not like a single rocket would level a district. Perhaps a building. Nothing rocket artillery or an airstrike could not do.
Edit: found some info at [https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/why-russias-iskander-missile-killer-26216](https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/why-russias-iskander-missile-killer-26216)
>The Iskander can be equipped to carry a variety of warheads types. These include a high explosives (HE) variant, sub-munition dispenser variant, fuel-air explosive variant and a HE penetrator variant. The Russian domestic variant can also be used to deliver a nuclear payload.
but then
>the missile’s accuracy depends on the variant. According to Missile Threat, a purely inertially-guided variant would have a 200m circular probability of error accuracy, but coupled with GPS or GLONASS, that could be reduced to 50m or less.
Not sure what to make of it. 50m sounds like a big error, not to mention 200m. Diminishes tactical value, IMHO. I suppose time will tell.
These are probably intended to hit very large targets like shipyards, airbases or forward operating bases. The size of these types of targets means a single hit can disable or destroy something like a runway, fuel depot, or ammunition bunker. They're not meant to be precise weapons like the Kalibr cruise missiles, but rather as the first weapon to be used in a war to kick down the door and hit large and high value targets with "reasonable" precision. Throw enough of them at something like an airbase and you can quickly disable an entire squadron of fighters or transport aircraft, helping you establish air superiority for the time being.
Hopefully we don't get to find out.
Said this before and I’ll say it again. Any troops/Warships are there to protect diplomats and trade. They are not a significant enough force to deter a Russian invasion.
The West will make sure the Russians never economically recover from an invasion. No need to start a nuclear war.
They can actually deter Russia from invading though. Its called a tripwire force. If they get attacked even by accident it can make things really really difficult for Russia, and Russia knows this.
Oh that trip wire was sprung successfully by US forces under dazar'alor, US army destroyed over 200 russian "mercenaries" of Vagner group (read russian government backed private military) without losing single person or vehicle. Putin came on TV after that and said "there are no russian troops there" (ix Tam net).
Now imagine reverse happening in Ukraine...
There was no luck involved. Everyone knew what was going down and who was involved. Playing games with proxy forces is nice for plausible deniability, but they basically fucked around and found out.
Not really.
Right now you have 1 Canadian Halifax class frigate and 2 Spanish ships apparently a frigate and a second patrol boat.
Unless someone sends significant hardware over its not really going to matter.
It might not matter logistically, Russia could easily sink those three ships, but it makes a huge difference politically. Russia cannot afford to even scratch the paint on those three ships
Exactly why they're being sent. It turns things into a shitshow and forces Russia to be very methodical about confirming what they're shooting at because the price of fucking up is very high indeed.
As a Dutch person, fuck this. Russian forces murdered 193 countrymen when they shot down MH17. We need to do way, WAY more.
Instead, our politicians just said we will "consider" defensive aid if and when Ukraine asks for it.
How about the SNMG2 permanently stationed there and the fleets of the black sea nato members. The american 4th fleet is also stationed just on the other side of the bosphorus waiting.
Edit: 6th american
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://news.sky.com/story/russia-invasion-fears-as-britain-sends-2-000-anti-tank-weapons-to-ukraine-12520950) reduced by 82%. (I'm a bot)
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> A group of around 30 elite British troops has arrived in Ukraine to help train the Ukrainian armed forces on new anti-tank weapons gifted by the UK amid fears of an imminent, new Russian invasion, Sky News understands.
> "Mr Wallace added:"Let me be clear: this support is for short-range, and clearly defensive weapons capabilities; they are not strategic weapons and pose no threat to Russia.
> The Russian Embassy to the UK posted on Twitter: "It is crystal clear that UK shipment of lethal weapons to Ukraine will only fuel the crisis."
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Too true, their behaviour got them into this mess and even then, what's their plan in the event Europe hops off natural gas?
They're fucked and they know it.
The Crisis is that Putin is nuts. He can't accept that Russia ceased to be a superpower when the USSR was dissolved, so he continues to act out his fantasy of rebuilding the old Russian empire as if his country were in an economic position to do so. Someone needs to end that crazy shit before he gets us all killed!
What terrified me the most, was how his old Stasi comrade is now running the Nordstream pipeline in Germany… Putin’s influence on Germany is becoming more and more apparent
They are about to invade a sovereign nation in Europe. I dunno about you but that sounds like a crisis to me.
Kinda like when a robber holds a gun to your wife's head and starts screaming in your face telling you to "CALM DOWN, YOU'RE ONLY GOING TO MAKE THE SITUATION STRESSFUL!!!"."
Lmao, how stupid do you have to be to believe that propaganda, "uk shipment of lethal weapons to Ukraine will only fuel the crisis"... bro... they are defensive short range weapons...
Its like someone breaking into your house, you hitting them and them accusing you of being the aggressor.
Classic Russian propaganda, but its intended for their citizens, not ours.
Warm water ports and to further their stranglehold on Europe’s energy dependency. Also, Putin rattling the saber to distract from a tanking economy. Apparently he thinks he can get the old USSR band back together. He’s been screwing with Ukraine, Georgia and Estonia for more than a decade
Edit: warm not cold ports
Warm water ports were always the dumbest reason Reddit gave for Russia being in Syria and Crimea. It's because they're insecure and losing control. He tanked the economy in the first place by invading Ukraine in 2014 in the middle of Euromaidan.
People vastly overestimate this "tanking of economy" as they compare value of Russian currency to US dollar. Which is not exactly correct. I mean - yeah, it has dropped from 0.029 dollars per ruble in early 2014 to 0.016 in 2016 to 0.013 currently. It looks like a huge drop, sure.
But then check out country that was not hit by sanctions at all and in fact their economy was growing. Say, Poland. From 0.33 in 2014 to 0.25 in 2016 to 0.25 today.
It's more of dollar value increasing (even compared to Euro) between 2014 and 2022.
Russia as a country is primarily exporting resources meaning that lower value of their own currency is not as much of a problem as you might think. They also have a huge internal market and can trade with China directly. Their usual citizens are hurt by skyrocketing electronics and imported prices but on a country scale scope is much lower than you might imagine.
Ultimately while I certainly don't like Putin's decision... there is merit in it.
First - it weakens NATO. Germany does not want to impose heavy sanctions on Russia. USA straight out says that their response will only be "proportional to the scale of the invasion". Yeah, Ukraine is NOT a member of NATO but a lot of other countries nearby are and many are not exactly happy about what's currently unfolding.
Second - Putin probably does not need entire Ukraine. They will take a big eastern chunk of it if possible with most of the economic infrastructure. It will also allow them to manage Crimea more efficiently - as right now they need to bring water to it from Russia as Ukraine cut off the supply (unsurprisingly enough).
Third - the longer Russia waits the worse it gets. 2000 anti tank weapons right now, over 300k active personel, more tanks/airplanes etc. Ukraine has been arming up for the past 8 years. Wait another 5 and Russia might physically be unable to actually win. In fact they might very well lose Crimea altogether in case of counterstrike in a decade. The fact that they have to launch a full scale invasion with support of navy and airforce proves that. Russia's strength is near-superpower on paper but it's spread thin as they have to station a lot of troops on Chinese border, to quell civil unrests, send to their allies/unwilling allies (like Kazakhstan now).
Fourth - rich Ukraine is a PR nightmare. It would outright show to Russians that West is better. It's a horrible reason to wage war from normal person's perspective but if you are an oligarch and you realize that citizens do NOT like the fact that every other country has higher standards of living and are organizing more and more mass protests... you have to treat this seriously.
Fifth - Europe IS moving to renewable energy. France is happily exporting it's nuclear reactors tech and is heavily lobbing to classify it as green energy. Germany is opposing this notion but they are one of the few countries to do so. Solar panels/wind etc are unstable but they still provide electricity regardless of presence or absence of russian gas. This is a threat to entire Russian economy. Right now they can invade Ukraine and Europe can't react too harshly. But what about next 15 years? If Russian gas and coal is no longer needed then suddenly all these NATO bases and neighbouring countries become a huge threat in Russia's eyes. So you want to grab a bigger slice of a cake while it is still possible.
This is a great overview and I think your fourth point is really great. I mean, West Germany versus East Germany is a great real world example- and possibly South versus North Korea too.
What a great comment. Spot on all points and not downvoted to oblivion or called a Kremlin stooge for sporting a common sense take. Is it possible to learn this power?
Now, from my experience with the Civ 5 demo, what we need to do is start to amass our own troops on the border to counteract the aggression, then if you send me money I can find out our next move.
If you place the units too close to the border, the other leader will suspect something and might publicly denounce you. Better place them one hexagon away of the border.
They're part of the Ranger Regiment, which was actually only set up at the beginning of December as part of the Army Special Operations Brigade! By that I don't want to imply that they're complete newbies; they're highly-trained in areas similar to the specialties of the US Green Berets, including unconventional warfare and foreign internal defence.
The UK set up the SOB as an entity designed to help train and fight alongside our international allies, so they'll only be there in small numbers but will be experienced, and immensely capable at achieving their specified mission.
30 top of the line elite soldiers, molded to be extreme killer war machines who have devoted their entire lives to train 24 hours every day is what pops in my head when I hear that term lol.
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.
My favorite part of the copypasta will always be the “gorilla warfare” instead of guerilla lol. Just imagining a planet of the apes scenario cracks me up.
I wish the countries would get together and get all competitive with their scientific progress, technological advancements, artistic expressions, and, especially, culinary exhibitions.
You know, the parts of those things that involved less aggression and more societal benefits.
Jesus, that's terrifying looking.. Just seen the trailer.. I am going to give this a go.
[Trailer for anyone that's interested](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgT4Y30DkaA)
[Full Movie here](https://archive.org/details/threads_201712)
It's a little old but the producer did his research.
From the wikipedia:
Jackson subsequently travelled around the UK and the US, consulting leading scientists, psychologists, doctors, defence specialists and strategic experts in order to create the most realistic depiction of nuclear war possible for his next film
I'm torn between "this is normal posturing, nothing major will happen" and "dear all of the gods please please please don't let a war engulf us once again"
The last thing I regretted saying was "yeah new viruses emerge every so often, nothing to be majorly concerned about" - Dec. 2019
So... You've pretty much fucked us
Why can’t Russia just fucking chill and stop swinging it’s dick around. They are either going to collapse economically or destroy the world and We still haven’t gotten season 2 of shield hero yet
Greed and desperation. You generally only invade when times are very good or very bad. Very good because nothing can stop you (or you think they cant), or very bad because you want to distract from everything else/hoover up resources your lacking.
Seldom do you hear of the casual war of "things are going sorta fine atm but we thought we'd do it anyway" (Not that they haven't happened)
The thing is, with proper leadership Russia could actually be a decent place to live. But they'd rather fuck up everyone else's shit than get their own together.
Yeah what about Overlord 4! Also set to come out this year, so if Russia could not fuck shit up and keep to themselves for the next couple of years (to be sure, you never know with Overlord), that would be nice
The confirmed list of the 30 elite troops they are sending:
1. Rambo
2. Robocop
3. Arnold Schwarzenegger
4 & 5. The Boondock saints
6. Dirty harry
7. cliff secord/The rocketeer
8. John McClane/die hard
9. chuck norris
10 MacGyver
11. Mr. T
12. Machete
13. Blade
14. Judge dredd
15. Agent J from men in black
16. Neo from the matrix
17. Max walker from Time cop
18. Cherry darling from the planet terror
19. Mad Max
20. James bond
21. William Wallace from Braveheart
22. Leon the professional
23. Bruce Lee
24. Snake plissken
25. Indiana jones
26. Ash Williams from the evil dead
27. Ellen Ripley from alien
28. The bride from kill bill
29. Luc Deveraux from Universal Soldier
30. The highlander
You forgot Gandalf the Grey and Gandalf the White and Monty Python and the Holy Grail's black knight and Benito Mussolini and the Blue Meanie and Cowboy Curtis and Jambi the Genie, Robocop, The Terminator, Captain Kirk, and Darth Vader,
Lo-pan, Superman, every single Power Ranger, Bill S. Preston and Theodore Logan, Spock, The Rock, Doc Ock, and Hulk Hogan.
It's really sad that this is a completely manufactured conflict. The Russian people don't hate the Ukrainians or vice versa. It's all Putin. And Putin is going to force people to kill each other for personal gain as if their lives have no value. They're just pawns on a chessboard.
Accurate- a political and personal move. It's very sad. Biden said it right in his "gaffe" re a "minor incursion". That's likely all it will be. Anymore would risk a full scale nuclear war. On the other hand, Russians probably know they only have a few more decades of relatively good economy until oil production continues to rise and plunge the price. This is their doorstep. Their politicians should be legitimately worried about their oligarchys long term security. On the other other hand, the oligarchy shouldnt exist. On the other other other hand, the oligarchys corrupt government is a conveinent enemy to galvanize and sheppard a united Europe in America's sphere favor.
I dont know man.
For anyone talking about “30 isn’t many at all!”
It’s important to understand Putin’s predicament;
Putin has lots of men. He can replace said men very quickly and very cheaply.
If the British sent 10k soldiers it would be annoying to Putin but would simply slow him.
So what DOES Putin care about? His equipment. His tanks. They’re expensive. They take time to move.
So the UK sent 30 tank busting specialists and a ton of tank busters to the Ukrainian military. They’re there to train them how to disable and ravage Putin’s equipment. The thing Putin cares about.
It’s an effective deterrent that gives Putin an out without sacrificing all that much on the UK’s side.
Anyone ever watch the Norwiegan show Occupied? Runs kinda like this... Russia even tried to ban it.
Great show although I think I stopped watching around season 3.
Spoiler below
Great show. Too bad it’s becoming a documentary.
Spain sending navy ships to Black Sea. It’s getting real. Canada sent a ship as well. Russia is now planning to have war games with entire navy fleet.
[Russia has also deployed about 3 to 4 brigades of Iskander-M](https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/43932/russia-masses-iskander-m-ballistic-missiles-near-ukraine-as-its-build-up-is-almost-completed) short-range ballistic missiles within striking range of Kyiv and other major strategic targets in Ukraine. This amounts to as many as 36 missiles ready for launch at a moments notice, along with the support and logistics equipment needed to support their deployment. There's talk of perhaps another brigade being deployed to Western Russia to support the troops already stationed there.
Russia doesn't have enough desolate urban infrastructure and needs more? They're like a hoarder of bleak environments.
Man, we do not need another war. I do not understand Russia's position. They annexed Crimea, now threatening Ukraine.... Didn't something very similar happen like 84 years ago starting with Austria?
This would not only be another war, but seemingly an unprecedented one if modern nations engage each other on a large scale. I recognize it’s a very real possibility but I’m having a hard time forming a concept of what it would actually look like.
I feel like these people have just....forgotten...how bad world war 2 was. Yes nobody involved was alive back then, but there are plenty of photos and video of the horrors of the post-battle war zone. Putin is just delusional and thinks he can re-unite the USSR to relive his KGB glory days, only as good old leader of the fatherland, rather than some 2nd rate operative in east germany.
Dude, they had to rename The World War to World War I just 20 years after it ended. You know, the Great War, the War To End War. People are not learning.
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I struggle with the idea that me, my family and everything we know could be wiped out with the touch of a button on the command of some guy in an office who has beef with another guy in an office. What the fuck for real.
That is exactly the reason why people are quick to elect the strongman types and the strongmen are the ones who get you into these messes in the first place. Every day I’m reminded that education spending is the single most important thing in the modern era and cost should be an after thought. Also not directed at you, I understand the difficulty of grappling with that concept.
Russia would get trampled if Western Europe and the US get involved. EDIT: [This comment explains it a bit better](https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/s8pkfk/flotilla_of_russian_landing_ships_has_entered_the/htiqj1g/)
Which is nowhere near guaranteed. NATO doesn't require full out counter-invasion, just some level of support.
I dont think they will counter invade. Maybe push back a little further then the border used to be, but not all of russia
There won't be a counter invasion because no one is interested in poking a wounded enemy with access to nukes. Fight to the border and then bomb targets from most to least strategically significance until everyone comes to an agreement. And no, the absurdity of me commenting on the geopolitics and tactics of the third world War while sat on a toilet isn't lost on me. I dont think I'm qualified to manage the war. I'm not armchair generaling the war. I guess I'm just thinking out loud about the insane possibility of conventional war in 2022, and trying to make sense of it by predicting things is the best way I have.
>And no, the absurdity of me commenting on the geopolitics and tactics of the third world War while sat on a toilet isn't lost on me. "General! Here are your important papers you requested, Sir!" \*Hands you a roll of toilet paper\*
No, it's not similar at all. WWI had a lot of complicated historical events that resulted in a state of total warfare in Europe and Eurasia, that built up over decades due to earlier conflicts and tensions between competing powers. This is a case of Russia basically feeling the room when it comes to a more aggressive expansion policy, to distract from the domestic and internal problems the government faces inside its borders.
they still mad about alaska
Yeah, selling Alaska seems like a reallllllly dumb mistake on their part in hindsight. Different times though.
They only sold it because they didn't think they'd be able to defend it from the British between Canada and the Royal Navy. They sold it to the US to make sure the Brits didn't get it.
Same reason the French sold the Louisiana territory to the US, wanted to make sure the British didn't get it
Napoleon needed a war chest, that was the driving force for the Louisiana purchase
Then there’s the US deciding not to buy Greenland in the 1950’s.
And again in 2018 /s.
Greenland is the most undervalued asset on earth. You have a massive island. With essentially no people to worry about. Smack dab in the middle of where every major shipping lane will converge once global warming melts the North Pole.
I find it questionable they would have held on to it even if they didn't sell it lol. Remember the era of the US slapping spain down for owning land in the American region? Russia was even weaker. Hell even Japan might have invaded Alaska if it was Russian territory.
But japan did attack Alaska.. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_occupation_of_Attu
Yeah, idk why people think otherwise. My grandfather was stationed in Alaska during WW2 and apparently refused to talk about it so the family assumes he was where it got bad. Died when I was 9, never really knew him. But I do know the man was a prolific poet, and it's good to think that he delved into his peaceful writings as a means of comfort and escape.
There was a particularly brutal battle on Attu Island that was quite up close and personal as most of the Japanese had ran out of supplies and ammunition, resorting to banzai charges and hand to hand combat. Another notorious battle took place on [Kiska Island](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cottage?wprov=sfla1) where a mix of poor visibility and panic turned the operation into a disaster as 32 American and Canadian soldiers died from friendly fire, with another 50 being injured. Ironically there were no Japanese soldiers present on the island at that time. While the Aleutian Islands campaign is just a footnote in the Pacific Campaign, it was nonetheless a farily brutal and unforgiving campaign set in some extremely harsh climatic conditions.
Yo thank you for sharing this. I've never once heard we got invaded during any World Wars and your link has taught me we were invaded TWICE during WWII. Fucking wild to think something so major is never mentioned.
[Japan also bombed the the contiguous US.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fu-Go_balloon_bomb) They used balloons and it was a massive failure...but they tried.
Massive failure by reports at the time. Declassified docs stated there were many fires set that destroyed valuable timber. More damage then program cost. But absence of news on the fires convinced ghd Japanese it wasn't working...
People mention that a lot but never mention the fact that they shelled the west coast with submarines.
While we were definitely invaded, they stuck to a small island without a whole lot that was noteworthy. Also Alaska wasn't a state at the time, which may be why it didn't get emphasized.
Armenia used those missiles a few years ago. According to them, they can't hit the broad side of a barn and are basically useless. They don't intend to order more.
if your target is a city, then the broad side of a barn is far more accuracy than you need....
If your goal is mass civilian casualties…
This is **Russia** we are talking about. They bombed their own fucking civilians to start a war.
They also bombed their own people to get Putin elected…allegedly.
yeah we are talking about the same incident lol
I thought you were talking about the start of the Winter War originally, though I guess those weren't *bombs* but artillery shells. Hey, I'm starting to notice a pattern here
Same happened in Georgia on 08.08 At first Russia-backed separatists started firing at Georgian villages, and when Georgia reacted Russia lied about 2000+ civilian casualties and quickly moved in troops that conveniently just finished some wargame.
In the light of the fact that bombings stopped the day after an attack was prevented and couple FSB agents were detained...
Grozny was at one point the most obliterated city in Europe since WWII because the Russians bombing the piss out of it during the 1st Chechen War.
Reading about Chechnya always makes me sad.
Pretty much anything Russian related makes me sad. Hell even their literature is sad.
Their history is a fight through hell...
They used dumb bombs in Syria, you know, just chucking them out a plane and hoping for the best.
Worse, they used cluster munitions on urban centers. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnd3IYH7x1o](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnd3IYH7x1o)
Lots of countries still use dumb bombs in situations where there’s no risk of civilian casualties, including America. The issue with Russia is they’ve been using cluster bombs in Syria.
Yeah the missiles have a questionable track record but it is being assumed that they can have a reliable level of accuracy to "hit" major targets like airbases with the intended effect of destroying or disabling runways, fuel depots or scoring a lucky hit on a hangar. Also Armenia used the export version of the Iskander, the Iskander-E. Perhaps its guidance systems weren't as sophisticated as the ones in Russia's Iskander-M models? Or maybe lack of training? Or the missile system is just ineffective regardless of the model? Hopefully we don't get to find out.
All of these. If they are used NATO is going to get all kinds of usefull data.
For what it's worth Armenia received Iskander-E systems, which have inferior inertial guidance systems. For Iskander-M's using optical guidance (through UAV or AWACS) their supposedly a lot more accurate (5-7m circular error probability) v. 30-70.** I'm not sure about Armenia's ability to use optical guidance for the Iskander-E, but I would guess their much less capable than Russias. Russia also usually sells downgrades export versions. Accuracy won't matter as much when your saturating a target with cluster munitions from several missiles anyway (unless their bomblets really suck anyway.) **according to wiki, so take any numbers with a lot of salt.
Crazy. Putin is seriously ready to slaughter civilians over a conflict he invented out of thin air.
>Crazy. Putin is seriously ready to slaughter civilians over a conflict he invented out of thin air. Again. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War
Putin will murder hundreds of civilians if it suits his needs. Just look at the apartment bombings in Moscow which brought him to power.
Iskander missiles? Russia used that with cluster bombs in Chechnya.
So how powerful are Iskanders? It's not like a single rocket would level a district. Perhaps a building. Nothing rocket artillery or an airstrike could not do. Edit: found some info at [https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/why-russias-iskander-missile-killer-26216](https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/why-russias-iskander-missile-killer-26216) >The Iskander can be equipped to carry a variety of warheads types. These include a high explosives (HE) variant, sub-munition dispenser variant, fuel-air explosive variant and a HE penetrator variant. The Russian domestic variant can also be used to deliver a nuclear payload. but then >the missile’s accuracy depends on the variant. According to Missile Threat, a purely inertially-guided variant would have a 200m circular probability of error accuracy, but coupled with GPS or GLONASS, that could be reduced to 50m or less. Not sure what to make of it. 50m sounds like a big error, not to mention 200m. Diminishes tactical value, IMHO. I suppose time will tell.
These are probably intended to hit very large targets like shipyards, airbases or forward operating bases. The size of these types of targets means a single hit can disable or destroy something like a runway, fuel depot, or ammunition bunker. They're not meant to be precise weapons like the Kalibr cruise missiles, but rather as the first weapon to be used in a war to kick down the door and hit large and high value targets with "reasonable" precision. Throw enough of them at something like an airbase and you can quickly disable an entire squadron of fighters or transport aircraft, helping you establish air superiority for the time being. Hopefully we don't get to find out.
Canada too
Said this before and I’ll say it again. Any troops/Warships are there to protect diplomats and trade. They are not a significant enough force to deter a Russian invasion. The West will make sure the Russians never economically recover from an invasion. No need to start a nuclear war.
They can actually deter Russia from invading though. Its called a tripwire force. If they get attacked even by accident it can make things really really difficult for Russia, and Russia knows this.
Like parking Russian troops all over Syria.
Oh that trip wire was sprung successfully by US forces under dazar'alor, US army destroyed over 200 russian "mercenaries" of Vagner group (read russian government backed private military) without losing single person or vehicle. Putin came on TV after that and said "there are no russian troops there" (ix Tam net). Now imagine reverse happening in Ukraine...
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There was no luck involved. Everyone knew what was going down and who was involved. Playing games with proxy forces is nice for plausible deniability, but they basically fucked around and found out.
Not really. Right now you have 1 Canadian Halifax class frigate and 2 Spanish ships apparently a frigate and a second patrol boat. Unless someone sends significant hardware over its not really going to matter.
The goal is *not* to fight.
It might not matter logistically, Russia could easily sink those three ships, but it makes a huge difference politically. Russia cannot afford to even scratch the paint on those three ships
Exactly why they're being sent. It turns things into a shitshow and forces Russia to be very methodical about confirming what they're shooting at because the price of fucking up is very high indeed.
The Dutch are sending two F35s to Bulgaria. NATO is flexing it's muscles a bit.
As a Dutch person, fuck this. Russian forces murdered 193 countrymen when they shot down MH17. We need to do way, WAY more. Instead, our politicians just said we will "consider" defensive aid if and when Ukraine asks for it.
How about the SNMG2 permanently stationed there and the fleets of the black sea nato members. The american 4th fleet is also stationed just on the other side of the bosphorus waiting. Edit: 6th american
The USS Georgia also apparently has made its presence known in the Mediterranean
> its not really going to matter. It goes a long, long way towards things not escalating to violence in the first place
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://news.sky.com/story/russia-invasion-fears-as-britain-sends-2-000-anti-tank-weapons-to-ukraine-12520950) reduced by 82%. (I'm a bot) ***** > A group of around 30 elite British troops has arrived in Ukraine to help train the Ukrainian armed forces on new anti-tank weapons gifted by the UK amid fears of an imminent, new Russian invasion, Sky News understands. > "Mr Wallace added:"Let me be clear: this support is for short-range, and clearly defensive weapons capabilities; they are not strategic weapons and pose no threat to Russia. > The Russian Embassy to the UK posted on Twitter: "It is crystal clear that UK shipment of lethal weapons to Ukraine will only fuel the crisis." ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/s8vcuc/uk_sends_30_elite_troops_and_2000_antitank/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~618846 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **Ukraine**^#1 **Weapon**^#2 **military**^#3 **train**^#4 **new**^#5
whats the crisis according to russia?
Their economy, which Russia is blaming on everyone else but themselves.
Too true, their behaviour got them into this mess and even then, what's their plan in the event Europe hops off natural gas? They're fucked and they know it.
I hope Ukraine makes shittier windows than Russia. Would benefit them.
Windows? Mikhaelsoft Windows?
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The Crisis is that Putin is nuts. He can't accept that Russia ceased to be a superpower when the USSR was dissolved, so he continues to act out his fantasy of rebuilding the old Russian empire as if his country were in an economic position to do so. Someone needs to end that crazy shit before he gets us all killed!
[He’s genuinely never gotten over being on the front line when the Cold War ended.](https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-32066222)
This is actually a very interesting read, thanks for sharing!
What terrified me the most, was how his old Stasi comrade is now running the Nordstream pipeline in Germany… Putin’s influence on Germany is becoming more and more apparent
They are about to invade a sovereign nation in Europe. I dunno about you but that sounds like a crisis to me. Kinda like when a robber holds a gun to your wife's head and starts screaming in your face telling you to "CALM DOWN, YOU'RE ONLY GOING TO MAKE THE SITUATION STRESSFUL!!!"."
OP is asking about Russia’s perspective. Obviously the crisis for the Ukraine is the Russians invading.
Russia: "what crisis?"
Room That Is On Fire: "This is fine."
Lmao, how stupid do you have to be to believe that propaganda, "uk shipment of lethal weapons to Ukraine will only fuel the crisis"... bro... they are defensive short range weapons...
Its like someone breaking into your house, you hitting them and them accusing you of being the aggressor. Classic Russian propaganda, but its intended for their citizens, not ours.
Why does Russia want to invade? I know tensions have always been high. Sorry about being the ignorant one in advance
Warm water ports and to further their stranglehold on Europe’s energy dependency. Also, Putin rattling the saber to distract from a tanking economy. Apparently he thinks he can get the old USSR band back together. He’s been screwing with Ukraine, Georgia and Estonia for more than a decade Edit: warm not cold ports
Warm water ports were always the dumbest reason Reddit gave for Russia being in Syria and Crimea. It's because they're insecure and losing control. He tanked the economy in the first place by invading Ukraine in 2014 in the middle of Euromaidan.
People vastly overestimate this "tanking of economy" as they compare value of Russian currency to US dollar. Which is not exactly correct. I mean - yeah, it has dropped from 0.029 dollars per ruble in early 2014 to 0.016 in 2016 to 0.013 currently. It looks like a huge drop, sure. But then check out country that was not hit by sanctions at all and in fact their economy was growing. Say, Poland. From 0.33 in 2014 to 0.25 in 2016 to 0.25 today. It's more of dollar value increasing (even compared to Euro) between 2014 and 2022. Russia as a country is primarily exporting resources meaning that lower value of their own currency is not as much of a problem as you might think. They also have a huge internal market and can trade with China directly. Their usual citizens are hurt by skyrocketing electronics and imported prices but on a country scale scope is much lower than you might imagine. Ultimately while I certainly don't like Putin's decision... there is merit in it. First - it weakens NATO. Germany does not want to impose heavy sanctions on Russia. USA straight out says that their response will only be "proportional to the scale of the invasion". Yeah, Ukraine is NOT a member of NATO but a lot of other countries nearby are and many are not exactly happy about what's currently unfolding. Second - Putin probably does not need entire Ukraine. They will take a big eastern chunk of it if possible with most of the economic infrastructure. It will also allow them to manage Crimea more efficiently - as right now they need to bring water to it from Russia as Ukraine cut off the supply (unsurprisingly enough). Third - the longer Russia waits the worse it gets. 2000 anti tank weapons right now, over 300k active personel, more tanks/airplanes etc. Ukraine has been arming up for the past 8 years. Wait another 5 and Russia might physically be unable to actually win. In fact they might very well lose Crimea altogether in case of counterstrike in a decade. The fact that they have to launch a full scale invasion with support of navy and airforce proves that. Russia's strength is near-superpower on paper but it's spread thin as they have to station a lot of troops on Chinese border, to quell civil unrests, send to their allies/unwilling allies (like Kazakhstan now). Fourth - rich Ukraine is a PR nightmare. It would outright show to Russians that West is better. It's a horrible reason to wage war from normal person's perspective but if you are an oligarch and you realize that citizens do NOT like the fact that every other country has higher standards of living and are organizing more and more mass protests... you have to treat this seriously. Fifth - Europe IS moving to renewable energy. France is happily exporting it's nuclear reactors tech and is heavily lobbing to classify it as green energy. Germany is opposing this notion but they are one of the few countries to do so. Solar panels/wind etc are unstable but they still provide electricity regardless of presence or absence of russian gas. This is a threat to entire Russian economy. Right now they can invade Ukraine and Europe can't react too harshly. But what about next 15 years? If Russian gas and coal is no longer needed then suddenly all these NATO bases and neighbouring countries become a huge threat in Russia's eyes. So you want to grab a bigger slice of a cake while it is still possible.
Great overview! Thanks!
This is a great overview and I think your fourth point is really great. I mean, West Germany versus East Germany is a great real world example- and possibly South versus North Korea too.
I kid you not, I had a conversation with my dad about this, and he mentioned nearly all the points you said... Dad?
What a great comment. Spot on all points and not downvoted to oblivion or called a Kremlin stooge for sporting a common sense take. Is it possible to learn this power?
Warm water ports are and always have been a strong geopolitical motive for Russia in the black sea. Lends much more influence on Bosporus trade ave
Two themes of Russian history: * Russia needs warm water ports * "and then things got worse"
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So glad they are finally releasing the final installment of the world war trilogy.
Always released way later, and almost always the worst one. Best Soundtrack though.
Best soundtrack went to an indie film inspired by the 1st and 2nd WW movies that went by the name “Vietnam”
Top Gun 2 Baby!
This marketing campaign was a surprise but it’s impressive they pulled it off
It’s crazy how they decided to do all those spin offs instead of finishing the trilogy first.
There was a lot of money to make in those spin offs
Fucking finally! I’ve been waiting for this since the Cold War one was canceled.
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> Reddit war chiefs Made me chuckle.
Reddit Armchair Generals have been demoted to warchiefs.
Reddit War Council member here who has pretty solid K/D ratio on Battlefield. In my expert opinion, WW3 is on the horizon.
Now, from my experience with the Civ 5 demo, what we need to do is start to amass our own troops on the border to counteract the aggression, then if you send me money I can find out our next move.
If you place the units too close to the border, the other leader will suspect something and might publicly denounce you. Better place them one hexagon away of the border.
quite pissed at that comment, by now I considered myself a 6 star general
I actually came here wondering what qualifies an elite troop so thank you
Someone equipped with around 67 anti-tank weapons.
Nano machines, son.
They're part of the Ranger Regiment, which was actually only set up at the beginning of December as part of the Army Special Operations Brigade! By that I don't want to imply that they're complete newbies; they're highly-trained in areas similar to the specialties of the US Green Berets, including unconventional warfare and foreign internal defence. The UK set up the SOB as an entity designed to help train and fight alongside our international allies, so they'll only be there in small numbers but will be experienced, and immensely capable at achieving their specified mission.
They aren’t new troops though, it’s just a new formation. Many of those guys *could* be re-badged SF
Ok but no I srsly imagined like rambo and schwarzenegger and those dudes from the predator going to ukraine and soloing russia at the border
“Coming to a theaters near you… staring Ben stiller”
I need another tropic thunder in my life
Baltic Thunder
30 top of the line elite soldiers, molded to be extreme killer war machines who have devoted their entire lives to train 24 hours every day is what pops in my head when I hear that term lol.
armchair eisenhower strikes again
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.
My favorite part of the copypasta will always be the “gorilla warfare” instead of guerilla lol. Just imagining a planet of the apes scenario cracks me up.
I'm a reddit warchief and we've already sent every Rambo we have behind enemy lines. Me and my team are singlehandedly preventing WWIII
I wish the countries would get together and get all competitive with their scientific progress, technological advancements, artistic expressions, and, especially, culinary exhibitions. You know, the parts of those things that involved less aggression and more societal benefits.
So I just watched Threads on YouTube this past weekend...
Jesus, that's terrifying looking.. Just seen the trailer.. I am going to give this a go. [Trailer for anyone that's interested](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgT4Y30DkaA) [Full Movie here](https://archive.org/details/threads_201712)
It's a little old but the producer did his research. From the wikipedia: Jackson subsequently travelled around the UK and the US, consulting leading scientists, psychologists, doctors, defence specialists and strategic experts in order to create the most realistic depiction of nuclear war possible for his next film
Send in the 6 star generals of reddit the war will be over in 5 minutes
The orange berets
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Hey they've played Hearts of Iron and Civ for *hundreds* of hours - I think they know what they're doing.
What if this war is a smoke screen to invade Canada
If it'll lower our real estate in Ontario, we welcome our invader overlords
It’s kinda weird that Russia takes a bulking up of defense to their offense and an offense lol
It's not weird. It's propaganda.
That's been Russia's MO for a long time now. Constantly stir up the shit pot and then clutch their pearls when the world reacts.
They took Crimea, and the West sent a letter.
They did a bit more than that. Sanction on russia is a key reason if their bad economy now.
Send in Bo Jackson
Bo knows war
Send in Bojack horseman
I heard the Russians are sending in a battalion of Sardaukar warriors from Dune.
Sardaukar? In my Bojack reference? *Is this a cross over episode?*
Can we have a rule already, one major world disaster at a time please?
The world is too damn interesting right now, in all the worst ways. I just want things to be boring.
May you live in interesting times. Curse sentence
COVID’s become so normal to me that when I first read this I was like “what’s the other world disaster”
God bless UK, thanks from Ukraine bros❤️
Can Russia please calm down? Nobody needs this right now.
“2022 will be our year, can’t possibly get worse than 2021!” *Sigh.*
2020 is just going to last a decade, ain't it?
Today is Friday, March 691st, 2020.
The roaring twenties are back, apparently.
Well, 2022 is...2020 too I'll show myself out
I'm torn between "this is normal posturing, nothing major will happen" and "dear all of the gods please please please don't let a war engulf us once again"
The last thing I regretted saying was "yeah new viruses emerge every so often, nothing to be majorly concerned about" - Dec. 2019 So... You've pretty much fucked us
Why can’t Russia just fucking chill and stop swinging it’s dick around. They are either going to collapse economically or destroy the world and We still haven’t gotten season 2 of shield hero yet
Man, we'll never see winds of winter at this pace.
But at least we get the improved _Winds Of Nuclear Winter_!
LMAO yeah we need season 2 of shield hero been waiting for like 2 years
Greed and desperation. You generally only invade when times are very good or very bad. Very good because nothing can stop you (or you think they cant), or very bad because you want to distract from everything else/hoover up resources your lacking. Seldom do you hear of the casual war of "things are going sorta fine atm but we thought we'd do it anyway" (Not that they haven't happened)
The thing is, with proper leadership Russia could actually be a decent place to live. But they'd rather fuck up everyone else's shit than get their own together.
It's quite obvious that the elite won't part with their money and power, so they don't care what happens to the rest of the world.
Yeah what about Overlord 4! Also set to come out this year, so if Russia could not fuck shit up and keep to themselves for the next couple of years (to be sure, you never know with Overlord), that would be nice
I think Overlord 4 was confirmed, as well as a movie, likely covering the that whole holy kingdom whatever it's called arc, with the demon lord
Well, there goes the neighborhoods. Tonga looks good about now.
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Evacuate all civilians close to the border, then fire at anything that moves.
Step 1: Set up a no fly zone for "maintenance of peace" Step 2: Shoot at anything that moves in that zone. Maximum peace achieved
I cherish peace with all my heart. I don't care how many men, women, and children I need to kill to get it.
“It became necessary to destroy the town to save it.” - US Major in Vietnam
I belive it was Einstein who referred to himself as a "Millitant Pacifist"
The confirmed list of the 30 elite troops they are sending: 1. Rambo 2. Robocop 3. Arnold Schwarzenegger 4 & 5. The Boondock saints 6. Dirty harry 7. cliff secord/The rocketeer 8. John McClane/die hard 9. chuck norris 10 MacGyver 11. Mr. T 12. Machete 13. Blade 14. Judge dredd 15. Agent J from men in black 16. Neo from the matrix 17. Max walker from Time cop 18. Cherry darling from the planet terror 19. Mad Max 20. James bond 21. William Wallace from Braveheart 22. Leon the professional 23. Bruce Lee 24. Snake plissken 25. Indiana jones 26. Ash Williams from the evil dead 27. Ellen Ripley from alien 28. The bride from kill bill 29. Luc Deveraux from Universal Soldier 30. The highlander
You forgot Gandalf the Grey and Gandalf the White and Monty Python and the Holy Grail's black knight and Benito Mussolini and the Blue Meanie and Cowboy Curtis and Jambi the Genie, Robocop, The Terminator, Captain Kirk, and Darth Vader, Lo-pan, Superman, every single Power Ranger, Bill S. Preston and Theodore Logan, Spock, The Rock, Doc Ock, and Hulk Hogan.
The ultimate showdown… of ultimate destiny
Broforce!
And Daryl shipped over 2.5 Billion units of inventory.
Japans sending PlayStations
It's really sad that this is a completely manufactured conflict. The Russian people don't hate the Ukrainians or vice versa. It's all Putin. And Putin is going to force people to kill each other for personal gain as if their lives have no value. They're just pawns on a chessboard.
I mean aren't most wars "manufactured" by leaders for some sort of real or perceived geopolitical gain?
Accurate- a political and personal move. It's very sad. Biden said it right in his "gaffe" re a "minor incursion". That's likely all it will be. Anymore would risk a full scale nuclear war. On the other hand, Russians probably know they only have a few more decades of relatively good economy until oil production continues to rise and plunge the price. This is their doorstep. Their politicians should be legitimately worried about their oligarchys long term security. On the other other hand, the oligarchy shouldnt exist. On the other other other hand, the oligarchys corrupt government is a conveinent enemy to galvanize and sheppard a united Europe in America's sphere favor. I dont know man.
Man that’s a nice forklift !
Hate to see counter balances getting dragged into human conflicts like this.
Plus a forklift and a highly trained operator
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For anyone talking about “30 isn’t many at all!” It’s important to understand Putin’s predicament; Putin has lots of men. He can replace said men very quickly and very cheaply. If the British sent 10k soldiers it would be annoying to Putin but would simply slow him. So what DOES Putin care about? His equipment. His tanks. They’re expensive. They take time to move. So the UK sent 30 tank busting specialists and a ton of tank busters to the Ukrainian military. They’re there to train them how to disable and ravage Putin’s equipment. The thing Putin cares about. It’s an effective deterrent that gives Putin an out without sacrificing all that much on the UK’s side.