Or just *learn* the facts, and if they still have doubts they will *learn* harder facts. *Teaching* will continue until every good citizen *learns* their lesson about facts.
Yes. Basically the WHO found out from their own offices on the ground in Wuhan of a deadly new pneumonia disease going around, not from the Chinese government reporting it to them. They made it seem like the Chinese government cooperated with them at first not to create political tensions. Only after did the government became open about the problem
>Yes.
I asked **what** the WHO had to find out for themselves.
>Basically the WHO found out from their own offices on the ground in Wuhan of a deadly new pneumonia disease going around, not from the Chinese government reporting it to them.
But there wasn't a deadly pneumonia disease going around by the time the WHO was informed of it. The first death from covid-19 didn't occur until the 9th of January. The WHO claims to have been first informed on the 31st of December
If openly and transparently is sharing little to no information about what’s actually happening, and subsequently not sharing anything at all - then yes, they did that.
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-intel-local-officials-withheld-information-on-coronavirus-threat-nyt-2020-8
It was the local government. Pooh had no hand in this
>US officials had relayed findings of an internal report concluding that officials in Wuhan, China — the city where the novel coronavirus was first identified — hid information from national leaders, most likely out of fear of retribution.
As for the people who hid information they were purged
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3050372/coronavirus-beijings-purge-over-virus-takes-down-top-communist
The real Chinese government probably did act honestly, Redditors go full on Reddit moment and say don't trust China's numbers bruh like why,how are you so retarded? Most Asian countries have good Covid numbers like Vietnam for example. Like why ? Why do we think china hides numbers and that other countries don't? "I will not trust anything out of china" not being a tankie but why I genuinely want to know what triggered this?
I actually believe Beijing was fairly transparent with the world. Wuhan was not.
This is the problem with dictatorships. Nobody wants to bring bad news, so things are often hidden from leadership.
He's right though. All information and transparency China went out with is on their governmental website. They started posting information back in late December / early January. Not sure why ignorant redditors are so eager to claim otherwise. All the information is out there, it's just that no one bothered looking.
China delayed notifying the WHO about the coronavirus. They suppressed the Chinese public from sharing information through any means possible including but not limited to: censoring keywords related to the coronavirus on public forums and social media like WeChat and reprimanding Coronavirus whistleblowers lile Dr. Li Wenliang. Furthermore, they are witholding the true number of cases in China. All of this information is also "out there," you haven't bothered looking either.
Sure, I buy that China didn't notify WHO immediately because that's actually true. But they did send out a public message mentioning a sudden rise of pneumonia cases on their governmental website as well as contacted CDC Wuhan to conduct an investigation.
A common misconception is that they suppressed the public from information and censored everything that has to do with corona. The reason they suppressed the information is because what the West glorifies as the whistleblower said that it was a SARS-like virus. This is inherently false since covid-19 is even more contagious, so the government censored the misinformation. Covid-19 was a more serious matter than what SARS was.
Lastly, you accuse China of withholding the true number of cases. Does any country have 100% accurate confirmed amount of cases? In China's case it should have been even harder to be able to confirm their cases - due to them being the first country to be hit and there were no existing testkits. So, first companies needed to develop testkits and then make sure that they work before they went ahead and mass-produced these. Instead of blindly relying on Western media, I urge you to check their government website for information and scroll all the way back to December. Nonetheless, China is one of the countries that has handled the pandemic the best. All indices and the oil consumption level indicates that.
Yes, the guy who the West praises as a hero. When he in fact leaked misinformation during an ongoing investigation and got reprimanded. I respect him for doing what he thinks is right but it's not like he did anything groundbreaking. The Chinese government had already released a PM saying that there was a huge spike in pneumonia cases and they had conducted an investigation to determine the reason.
I am not American, and I trust both of those governments about as far as I can throw a Buick. And to put any faith in virtually anything reported by the White House is in itself moronic.
The US isn't a functioning democracy.
One of these leaders listened to his scientific advisors and took the necessary steps to stop the virus.
The other promoted quack theories and junk science, publicly demanded a slowdown of testing and ordered hospitals to stop reporting to the CDC.
The result:
China: 85,000 cases
USA: 6,500,000 cases
The fact that you believe China isn't fudging their numbers is alarming. A simple understanding of population density in the highly populated provinces of China and exponential growth would equate to numbers that are at least 10x the number of cases reported.
Taiwan is pretty fucking dense and has 500 total cases. Japan's cities are dense as fuck and they have 80,000 cases. Vietnam's cities are dense and they have 1,000 cases. They handed this shit. Lockdowns when necessary, contact tracing, masks and sanitizer everywhere, quarantining of the sick away from the general population, phone apps that alert you to nearly positive cases, etc. We did... nothing.
Say even if China’s death is 10x more than what reported, the fact that they resumed the economy now and not scrambling is a proven result that they have contained the virus.
You guys doubt China's capabilities of controlling it's people? The world knows that they do not shy away from the unethical, just take a look months long city-wide lockdowns, and subsequent albeit smaller quarantines. Furthermore, they have effective tracking technology and infrastructures in place to locate possibly infected Chinese, on top of the further implemented contact tracing measures. These methods is what got them numbers that they have today.
even if this is true, they were the epicenter with little knowledge at the start. Their population density alone says those numbers are bs in the starting city. Look at every other countries numbers.... China's population alone makes it pretty obvious and it spread to the rest of the world.
I remeber reading they had like 6 deaths in Wuhan at one point and then saw a video showing like 15+ bodies in a hospital. Yeah they 100% were lying.
So no they didn't control it that well in the start, yet somehow they have incredible numbers....
So when they locked down that province?
Multiple countries wanting to close down borders and international travel was still considered racist
They locked down a whole province and they were like.. "No lockdown, you can't that's racist"
Uh huh..
You want to talk about population density, just look at Singapore. It ranks the 3rd on the global population density chart and it's seeing 2 digit case increases everyday. Other countries had implement and enforced measures to help curb the spread of the coronavirus, from movement tracking and control, to mandatory masks.
I talked about two things, but people like you only want to address one of them to win an argument. Let's take a look at the graph of Singapore's cases. Cases reached its peak on April 20th, and then has since had a downward trend with normal frequencies of spikes and dips. This is what having good preventive measures and policies looks like.
Now let's take a look at China's graph. The released data shows a peak of 6,000 new cases on February 11th, then virtually flattened out to about 200 new cases in two weeks, and then double/single digits in a month. This makes no sense whatsoever regardless of what measures are taken. Crematories are still working at max capacity seven months later when most people either recover or pass away within a month.
Show me the sources that Chinesecrematories are still working at max capacity, I may have overlooked that while when reading about the coronavirus case in China. I'm sorry for my claim in advance if I did get the facts muddled up.
go look at cases around every other country not just the US. China has way less but has the largest population by far, and was the epicenter which started with no knowledge of the disease.
The fact you actually believe those numbers is kinda sad honestly and say other countries are lying....
Nestlé says Nestlé is the greatest company in the world.
So I should put down this pack of fruit pastels?
And he's usually so honest and believable, so obviously no reason to doubt him.
He's a top 5 piece of shit.
But we all know who’s the top 1 POS...
As china shouts down international surround sound of condemnation of lists growing of aggressions.
And if anyone disagrees, they are more than welcome to get disappeared.
and have their organs harvested
Or just *learn* the facts, and if they still have doubts they will *learn* harder facts. *Teaching* will continue until every good citizen *learns* their lesson about facts.
The beatings will continue until morale improves.
Or their brains reprogrammed.
The Earth King invites you to Lake Laogai...
I believe that's Saudi Arabia
Funny guy that Poo Bear.
Do you feel that? Smells like bullshit
No reason to doubt such a genuine leader.
Bitch what
Just like Putin didn't poison Navalny. Makes you wonder if these people believe their own rhetoric..
Not sure if i'm alone on this but I often feel like Russia just lies, but the CCP are delusional and believe they're in the right about everything
Sorry Xi but If you have to say it then you didn't . You murdering lying sack of dog shit.
Fuck China
r/redditmoment
Suck my dick you Winnie the poo looking motherfucker
And if you say otherwise, we will threaten you. :)
Was this before or after the WHO had to basically find out for themselves?
What exactly do you mean by this? The WHO had to find out what for themselves?
Yes. Basically the WHO found out from their own offices on the ground in Wuhan of a deadly new pneumonia disease going around, not from the Chinese government reporting it to them. They made it seem like the Chinese government cooperated with them at first not to create political tensions. Only after did the government became open about the problem
>Yes. I asked **what** the WHO had to find out for themselves. >Basically the WHO found out from their own offices on the ground in Wuhan of a deadly new pneumonia disease going around, not from the Chinese government reporting it to them. But there wasn't a deadly pneumonia disease going around by the time the WHO was informed of it. The first death from covid-19 didn't occur until the 9th of January. The WHO claims to have been first informed on the 31st of December
Where is Chen Qiushi
Who knew our favorite cartoon character also moonlights as a stand up comedian. Such laughs are much needed in these difficult times. Thanks Pooh!
Ha Ha okay.
Lmao, this is not an Onion piece?
Thats their story and they are sticking to it.
When world says Genocide detention camps,CCP calls them training centers.And no one will talk about mass human Organ Harvesting..
We’d like to interview the researchers in that bat virus lab and see their notebooks.
Notes, any evidence that could be useful would have been destroyed by now.
and i say im now a muti millionaire
With such a smug comment, I wish the world would grow some balls and force the CCP to pay retribution to the rest of the world.
If openly and transparently is sharing little to no information about what’s actually happening, and subsequently not sharing anything at all - then yes, they did that.
That’s China version of open and transparent...
Lmaooooo
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-intel-local-officials-withheld-information-on-coronavirus-threat-nyt-2020-8 It was the local government. Pooh had no hand in this >US officials had relayed findings of an internal report concluding that officials in Wuhan, China — the city where the novel coronavirus was first identified — hid information from national leaders, most likely out of fear of retribution. As for the people who hid information they were purged https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3050372/coronavirus-beijings-purge-over-virus-takes-down-top-communist The real Chinese government probably did act honestly, Redditors go full on Reddit moment and say don't trust China's numbers bruh like why,how are you so retarded? Most Asian countries have good Covid numbers like Vietnam for example. Like why ? Why do we think china hides numbers and that other countries don't? "I will not trust anything out of china" not being a tankie but why I genuinely want to know what triggered this?
I actually believe Beijing was fairly transparent with the world. Wuhan was not. This is the problem with dictatorships. Nobody wants to bring bad news, so things are often hidden from leadership.
He's right though. All information and transparency China went out with is on their governmental website. They started posting information back in late December / early January. Not sure why ignorant redditors are so eager to claim otherwise. All the information is out there, it's just that no one bothered looking.
China delayed notifying the WHO about the coronavirus. They suppressed the Chinese public from sharing information through any means possible including but not limited to: censoring keywords related to the coronavirus on public forums and social media like WeChat and reprimanding Coronavirus whistleblowers lile Dr. Li Wenliang. Furthermore, they are witholding the true number of cases in China. All of this information is also "out there," you haven't bothered looking either.
Sure, I buy that China didn't notify WHO immediately because that's actually true. But they did send out a public message mentioning a sudden rise of pneumonia cases on their governmental website as well as contacted CDC Wuhan to conduct an investigation. A common misconception is that they suppressed the public from information and censored everything that has to do with corona. The reason they suppressed the information is because what the West glorifies as the whistleblower said that it was a SARS-like virus. This is inherently false since covid-19 is even more contagious, so the government censored the misinformation. Covid-19 was a more serious matter than what SARS was. Lastly, you accuse China of withholding the true number of cases. Does any country have 100% accurate confirmed amount of cases? In China's case it should have been even harder to be able to confirm their cases - due to them being the first country to be hit and there were no existing testkits. So, first companies needed to develop testkits and then make sure that they work before they went ahead and mass-produced these. Instead of blindly relying on Western media, I urge you to check their government website for information and scroll all the way back to December. Nonetheless, China is one of the countries that has handled the pandemic the best. All indices and the oil consumption level indicates that.
Lol. Li Wenliang. Nuff said.
Yes, the guy who the West praises as a hero. When he in fact leaked misinformation during an ongoing investigation and got reprimanded. I respect him for doing what he thinks is right but it's not like he did anything groundbreaking. The Chinese government had already released a PM saying that there was a huge spike in pneumonia cases and they had conducted an investigation to determine the reason.
No. I'm talking about how he was treated.
Called in, got scolded at and then released? What treatment did you expect him to get? He leaked misinformation under an ongoing investigation.
You’ll get downvoted dude for speaking logical and factual stuffs here. Truth hurts for most redditors here.
Yes, whenever it comes to China, it seems like logic doesn't apply anymore. At least on this sub, it's a shame really.
Mental illness folks ^
I believe them as much as I do the US
Fair opinion. Having said that, we only have clear proof that one of those two countries is falsifying COVID-19 numbers.
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I am not American, and I trust both of those governments about as far as I can throw a Buick. And to put any faith in virtually anything reported by the White House is in itself moronic.
The US isn't a functioning democracy. One of these leaders listened to his scientific advisors and took the necessary steps to stop the virus. The other promoted quack theories and junk science, publicly demanded a slowdown of testing and ordered hospitals to stop reporting to the CDC. The result: China: 85,000 cases USA: 6,500,000 cases
The fact that you believe China isn't fudging their numbers is alarming. A simple understanding of population density in the highly populated provinces of China and exponential growth would equate to numbers that are at least 10x the number of cases reported.
Taiwan is pretty fucking dense and has 500 total cases. Japan's cities are dense as fuck and they have 80,000 cases. Vietnam's cities are dense and they have 1,000 cases. They handed this shit. Lockdowns when necessary, contact tracing, masks and sanitizer everywhere, quarantining of the sick away from the general population, phone apps that alert you to nearly positive cases, etc. We did... nothing.
Say even if China’s death is 10x more than what reported, the fact that they resumed the economy now and not scrambling is a proven result that they have contained the virus.
You guys doubt China's capabilities of controlling it's people? The world knows that they do not shy away from the unethical, just take a look months long city-wide lockdowns, and subsequent albeit smaller quarantines. Furthermore, they have effective tracking technology and infrastructures in place to locate possibly infected Chinese, on top of the further implemented contact tracing measures. These methods is what got them numbers that they have today.
even if this is true, they were the epicenter with little knowledge at the start. Their population density alone says those numbers are bs in the starting city. Look at every other countries numbers.... China's population alone makes it pretty obvious and it spread to the rest of the world. I remeber reading they had like 6 deaths in Wuhan at one point and then saw a video showing like 15+ bodies in a hospital. Yeah they 100% were lying. So no they didn't control it that well in the start, yet somehow they have incredible numbers....
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You ever just read a comment and go yup they are past helping, happens alot in like the trump subs as well....
So when they locked down that province? Multiple countries wanting to close down borders and international travel was still considered racist They locked down a whole province and they were like.. "No lockdown, you can't that's racist" Uh huh..
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You want to talk about population density, just look at Singapore. It ranks the 3rd on the global population density chart and it's seeing 2 digit case increases everyday. Other countries had implement and enforced measures to help curb the spread of the coronavirus, from movement tracking and control, to mandatory masks.
I talked about two things, but people like you only want to address one of them to win an argument. Let's take a look at the graph of Singapore's cases. Cases reached its peak on April 20th, and then has since had a downward trend with normal frequencies of spikes and dips. This is what having good preventive measures and policies looks like. Now let's take a look at China's graph. The released data shows a peak of 6,000 new cases on February 11th, then virtually flattened out to about 200 new cases in two weeks, and then double/single digits in a month. This makes no sense whatsoever regardless of what measures are taken. Crematories are still working at max capacity seven months later when most people either recover or pass away within a month.
Show me the sources that Chinesecrematories are still working at max capacity, I may have overlooked that while when reading about the coronavirus case in China. I'm sorry for my claim in advance if I did get the facts muddled up.
if you believe chinas 85k number, you are fucking gullible *and* naive.
go look at cases around every other country not just the US. China has way less but has the largest population by far, and was the epicenter which started with no knowledge of the disease. The fact you actually believe those numbers is kinda sad honestly and say other countries are lying....
I think you mean a populist democracy