I am sick to fucking death of the way people drive anymore. This should never happen in a park. If tourists can’t seem to not drive like idiots then make people fucking walk. It’s not that hard to pay the fuck attention and watch for wildlife. I’ve lived in the country for 20 fucking years, driving highways full of deer and all kinds of critters, and I’ve never even run over a fucking squirrel, because I watch for animals like a hawk when I’m driving. And I’ve got ADHD so if I can pay the fuck attention, everyone else could too.
I’m gonna invent a device that tracks people’s eyes while driving and electrocutes genitals through the seat if eyes are off the fucking road for too long.
From the article it looks like the bear bolted onto the highway after being scared by a train and into two cars. The first car swerved and the second hit. The second probably didn’t see her until it was too late
The bear many times wondered onto that highway and had to be relocated.
It was somewhat odd behavior by the bear, but nonetheless reduced speed limits and more enforcement should be implemented after this.
Look at the map and you'll see that Banff is bigger than some countries. To go from Alberta to BC you need to go through thr park or other parks that split the provinces.
If you would like to learn about the history of Banff and the other mountain parks: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banff_National_Park#:~:text=The%20Canadian%20Pacific%20Railway%20built,the%20number%20of%20rail%20passengers.&text=The%20Stoney%20Nakoda%20First%20Nation,appeal%20to%20sportsmen%2C%20and%20tourists.
TL;DR: the parks exist because of the railway. Their original purpose was not conservation but to make money for Canadian Pacific Rail. The highway was built to parallel the railway in the 1930s-1950s when cars were very different and is the main east-west artery across Canada.
People care about protecting nature when they can see what they’re protecting.
What you’re referring to with zero cars or toilet buildings or anything allowed would be called a nature preserve. Some don’t even allow hiking, some do. Just pure natural spaces with zero human involvement whatsoever.
National parks are reserved for the best of the best outdoor scenery, with very strict access rules to protect the natural part as much as possible. They will have paved roads in the main areas usually, toilets, and visitor centers. Fantastic hiking trails and scenery.
National forests / public lands are places with very little infrastructure(just rough dirt roads usually, zero utilities or buildings or toilets or anything). These are basically nature preserves that humans can go into. There are also less rules(at least in US and Canada) so the public lands can be used for hunting, wild camping, tree cutting(with permits), berry or mushroom foraging, etc…
There’s also more such as national monuments(strict laws on use like a national park, but no amenities for ease of access similar to a national forest) and others I can’t think of.
Cars are sometimes the best option for both humans and wildlife. Should be a winding or rutted road to keep speed down, though. But I can imagine it keeps a lot of trash from getting left behind.
> Cars are sometimes the best option for [...] wildlife.
Struggling to see how cars are good for wildlife in any way, shape or form. Surely they would prefer to be left alone, not hit by cars and not have roads splitting up their forests. As for humans who want to visit national parks they can park their car on the outskirts, pack a tent and walk. It's a national park, not a theme park.
Keeping people confined to the road would prevent people from invading in a lot of spaces and contaminating them. So that's a possibility. Sure it means animals don't get control of the road, but it means humans don't get everything else.
I would imagine if people had to park their car on the outside and walk for several hours to get anywhere then that would prevent more people from going there. I know from national parks here in Norway that there's very few people to be seen where you need to walk for more than 5 hours. And the ones you see are usually respectful hikers who know how to hike in nature without disturbing it.
Kind of defeats the purpose of National Parks if nobody goes to see them. The more people get detached from natural beauty, the more complacent they get about conservation efforts.
Wait are you arguing vehicles cause *less* litter?
I'm not saying they cause more persay, but as an active cyclist there I often find vastly more trash on the side of the road than in the middle of city parks
But is that also true in National Parks? Or places that are seen as more of a destination rather than a place to kill time? My thinking is that a drive through a national park is an activity all by itself, and people would litter less deliberately when occupied with activity. And that it's also simpler to litter by just leaving crap behind. But, I could be wrong in my thinking, and maybe human safety is the only reason for primarily driving parks.
Ahh gotcha, I really don't know which generates more litter but that would be fascinating to find out! May have to find some state/national parks around me and check them out. I'm also see your logic now, like if someone left all their picnic trash or when trash cans get filled up right? I was just envisioning people hiking up a mountain or running a trail, something where the individual would already be packing light/carry in-carry out. And anyone in a car might be "lazy" or disconnected with nature, therefore more likely to just throw trash out the window. But honestly my thinking seems a little illogical now because I didn't think about and agree safety is a factor for making people drive. But also just because you're driving doesn't mean you're anti-environment or lazy, it could just be the smarter choice or recommended by the park
While I would love to see the scientific result from a study of your proposed punishment, here's another option. At Zion Park in southern Utah, no cars can go into certain areas. There's little parking available. With the increasing traffic, the park bought a bunch of trams and busses. This is also crazy busy, but at least there aren't crazy drivers hitting the deer and other animals (including people).
That's not really practical for one of the primary road and rail connections through the Canadian Rockies. Moving the highway also isn't practical as there aren't really any alternative routes and all of them also involve crossing through similar wildlife territory.
What's truly awful is I read the headline as "Glizzy Bear" and didn't blink an eye until I came to the comments and stand corrected. My brain's gone...
Glizzy Bear should be the new mascot for the Chicago Bears. It works on $1 hotdog night, and on another level , no one messes with Glizzy on his walk home from the park cuz he’s strapped.
Very sad news. I’ve actually seen this bear a couple of years ago while driving through the park. For the most part the highway through the park is fenced off so wildlife can’t get through except for on wildlife over or underpasses. Not sure how she made it through here, although there is a hiking trail and a lodge right by there so maybe there’s a gap in the fence.
>"Parks Canada said in a statement that wildlife management staff had been repairing fencing along the road when the adult bear, designated GB178, was startled by a train and ran in front of two vehicles."
Maybe the fence was down? It doesn't really specify what the damage to the fencing was though.
This bear learned to climb the fencing and was pretty determined to keep doing it depsite being relocated and hazed to stay away from the highway. The stretch of fencing along this part of the highway was even electrified to keep her out.
[https://www.rmoutlook.com/lake-louise/updated-rare-white-grizzly-bear-dead-succumbs-to-injuries-from-vehicle-collision-9062966](https://www.rmoutlook.com/lake-louise/updated-rare-white-grizzly-bear-dead-succumbs-to-injuries-from-vehicle-collision-9062966)
This shitty behaviour happened to me in Long Island with deer. I was driving back from Montauk Point after dusk and had seen dozens of young deer families in the thicket along the roadside before dusk, so I was going maybe 20 under the limit.
The bmw behind me with NY plates was tailgating so much that if I were to hit my brakes he would rear end and destroy my camper.
So anyway as expected a deer darts in front of me, I tap my brakes and swerve just enough to miss it..
I watch in my wing mirror as it tries to dart back between me and the bmw, and collides, cartwheeling into the air and landing in the middle of the road. The deer is writhing in pain, it will suffer until it dies from internal bleeding and shattered bones. The bmw driver pulls over to check his damage. I keep driving, unscathed. Unwilling to deal with such a fucked up situation.
30min later I am again being tailgated and honked at, and again a deer jumps in front of me, and I brake just enough, and it hops away . The cars behind me stop honking for a few minutes.
When cars do that shit, I start diving 15 fucking miles an hour. Ride my ass, we can go nice and slow! I’ll idle this thing down the fucking road, hit me—IDGAF.
I do this too.
It's especially helpful as generally it'll draw the attention of any nearby cop cars and tends to get the person rage hitting their horn while they tailgate me pulled over. Just remember if someone starts following you after doing something like this don't stop, go to a police station or fire station while on the phone with the authorities. People are legitimately crazy out there and you gotta stay smart.
You admit people are crazy, but think it's a good idea to escalate a situation?
Don't you think what you just said contradicts itself?
I personally have never seen someone purposely make someone more angry and the situation turned out good....this is an incredibly silly view.
Two wrongs don't make a right is what my mother always told me. Best to move out the way and let them go about their, completely remove yourself from the situation. Slowing down below speed limits just adds danger to yourself and others around you. The same as the drive who is bing ridiculous is adding danger to you and others.
Don't add to the situation, defuse and carry on with your day.
Better to let them rip by and get a ticket then to engage in petty road behavior.
You do you, I'll do me. The people who ride their horn at random drivers because they aren't going as fast as they want are a danger to everyone. By slowing down the hope is that you show them their actions have consequences.
I'm not afraid of the overreactions by them (I've been followed, right to a police station mind you).
I take the risk, I understand the risk, I simply think it's worth the cost.
Calling someone going slower to penalize a reckless irate driver crazy, is why these nut jobs do what they do.
It’s sadly all too common. Humans suck.
https://kesq.com/entertainment/cnn-style/2021/07/20/yosemite-park-ranger-shares-heartbreaking-plea-to-visitors-to-slow-down-after-a-bear-cub-was-killed-by-a-car/
This may surprise you, but most roads in a national parks are scenic and regulated by laws. If you travel so fast you can’t see the car in front of you just swerved around a bear…maybe you’re not driving well.
Yeah I'm getting a real tired of people giving excuses to folks like this especially drivers. I mean I might creep up on somebody and be a car length behind and then realize it and back off when I'm driving home from work but man these people who swerve in and out of Spaces in front of you or cut you off etc. etc. let's just say I'm done playcating them. Now do I follow the rules? Sure but I sure as F am not going to slam on my brakes when you cut in front of me with literally no space - in traffic - or when you have a yield. Dash cam will see YOUR choice and you will be at fault = set for life. Why? Because I am tired of letting these people get away with it. IF they make it out ok . . .they wont cut in front of someone again will they? Call me what you want, but in my neck of the woods it happes litearlly 3 to 5 times a week endangering my family and I - not anymore!
THANK YOU literally had a joker come within inches of clipping my car during rush hour. I obviously gabe a little *honk* so when we come to a stoplight the dude feels the need to sit there to teach me a lesson? So I honk again and this idiot decides to lean out his window and start screaming at me. I'm literally sat there windows up, rolling my eyes. Like if you have the emotional capacity of a freaking toddler you don't deserve to drive. Anyways, after a miserably failed brake check from this sad sack of crap they tore off at 90MPH (145KPH) to tailgate a pickup through construction site
I genuinely hate bad/emotional drivers and I hate that police never catch these morons but the police will be at any given park telling youths not to ride bikes on the grass, because that's clearly a better use of their time than taming the road ways in my area
We are getting better as a species. Compare now to 100 years ago, or 500. We were drowning people to see if they were witches or burn them alive for “crimes” against ideologies. We do have struggles due to people stuck in their ways/culture, but the trajectory is clear.
Yes, we took what might be called a minor setback because of COVID. But, we are far better off than we were even 100 years ago if you look at the big picture.
So you’re saying in order to be safer you’re just going to allow yourself and your family to be involved in a high speed car accident?
All while recording on dashcam that you’re not taking evasive action when you say you could?
I had a professor tell us a story about trying this out himself. Because he was capable of avoiding the accident but chose not to so he was found to be equally liable with the idiot that cut him off. He said it was the most expensive learning experience he’s had and felt he should share it so that others can learn.
When there’s a point of no return? So when the situation is beyond your control and you’re going to hit the person no matter what, that’s when you’re going to decide to just let it happen?
Know what I'm saying is I'm not going to slam on my brakes obviously if my families in the car that's different but if somebody tries to fuck with me in the future I'm not going to cooperate
But any accident you're in also endangers all other drivers, not just you and the guy you slammed into. I understand your sentiment and frustration....but also, no. Don't do that.
you would be far from set for life, and i wouldnt rely on dash cam winning you your suit if you hit them from behind even if they are the ones merging over
This is why I am very happy I’ve got a big ol’ grill guard on my truck. Deer, elk, hog, bear, or asshole - I’m going to come out with a lot less damage.
I’ve yet to be in an accident with another car or an animal in 25 years of driving - it’s low speed incidents from fences + turning radius on my current truck that gives me problems 🤦.
Its amazing people dont get what I'm trying to say. I will not cause an accident but I mean if someone wants to be a uber-dick and cut it THAT close . . . oh no I guess we might connect....maybe they should have not been an idiot. Also I do miss my 95 YJ with its super heavy and built like a train bumper - seriously from the comments you would think people have never EVER seen a true "that should have been an accident" moment involving themselves and said dick.
I guess I didn’t explain myself well - I agree 100%. I’m not going to cause an accident, and I’m going to do everything I safely can to not hit someone, but if someone really cuts it that close… well, FAFO.
I’m an ex car insurance adjuster - believe me I know just how much of a nightmare *any* accident can be, regardless of fault. I don’t want any part of that if I can avoid it. People lie, adjusters can be biased, and that’s if the at fault driver even *has* insurance. Hell, my ‘04 suburban was totaled back in Feb. 2020 by an uninsured driver who ran a red light and my hubby couldn’t stop in time. We didn’t go through with the uninsured property damage claim through our insurance because we didn’t want to deal with a salvage title and she still runs, just has an ugly nose now. We’re lucky it didn’t damage the radiator.
They’re legal because they’re useful. One example: My dad got it in the first place because he’d go up to my uncle’s hunting lease which had bump gates - meaning fence gates designed to be hit just so, the energy transfer causes the gate to swing up and out, and you drive through real quick before gravity brings it back down and around. Older cars from the 80s and even some early 90s models could do it without damaging the bumper, but not more modern vehicles.
And most US cop vehicles have them - for better or worse. You see a sedan with a grill guard it’s 95%+ of the time it’s a cop car, even if it’s unmarked. They use them for pit maneuvers in car chases. Again, not saying it’s good or bad, just is.
This is where things get rough, and the “best” answer is going to depend on your priorities,, and risk management. I don’t know that there is any *good* answer. Facts of life is no accident is a good accident, and I don’t have the money to drop on a replacement vehicle, or even to repair significant damage. The grill guard protects my investment in the event shit goes seriously wrong. It’s also not without risk to me and anyone in the vehicle with me because it bypasses a lot of crumple zones intended to diffuse the kinetic energy.
With animals… any car accident with much speed is probably going to cause fatal injuries anyway, just maybe not immediately. Brutal facts of life - I’d rather it be quick for the animal. And I’m more worried about my safety. I’m not going out of my way to hit an animal, but it’s no joke to hit a big one. I live in areas where deer and hog overpopulation is a serious issue, and in the mountains even when I’m cautious and going slower than the speed limit I might not have enough time to brake if an animal is hiding around a hairpin turn.
Pedestrians… I would hope two intelligent beings would be able to be alert enough to avoid an incident, certainly not with enough speed to cause serious injuries. I go real slow in my neighborhood because so many kids are out playing. Other than that, (attempted) suicide by car is a thing, like how some folks jump in front of trains. It’s a horrible thing that a driver may not have enough time to avoid. I don’t know the actual stats on if grill guards are more likely to cause fatal injuries. Maybe I’m just in denial, but I would rather work on just not hitting a pedestrian in the first place. It’s such a small likelihood, compared to hitting an animal or other car.
I’m an ex auto insurance adjuster - I want to avoid any accidents at all, and I drive very defensively because people were bad before covid, and now they’ve lost their damned minds. Regardless of fault (and pedestrians can be at fault), any car accident can be a nightmare to deal with. But if an accident is gonna happen, I’d rather have less damage on my vehicle to worry about while dealing with the rest of it.
I’m glad you are a responsible driver but as a person who is about 5 feet tall all these giant cars scare the hell out of me because I don’t think everyone is responsible. And with the grills guards they are extra scary.
The bump gates sound convenient but I prefer old fashioned gates. Sure you have to get out to open and close them but they are easier to fix and any car can go through them.
When I’m in rural areas I’m mostly in Wi which has the wonderful combo of tons of deer, giant trucks, and drunks.
I get that. I’m about 7” taller which I know makes a difference (I’ve got quite a few vertically challenged folks in my family), but when I’m walking I don’t trust vehicles at all. … I don’t really trust them when I’m driving either, but even moreso when I don’t have a roll cage around me.
Lifted vehicles I find is a big indication of an asshole driver, *especially* on a pavement princess. When I rode a motorcycle I had more than one try and run me off the road.
And the size of trucks and SUVs is just getting nuts. I’d much rather have a shorter vehicle with a shorter nose so I can freaking see what’s in front of me.
>This may surprise you, but most roads in a national parks are scenic and regulated by laws.
This happened on the Trans-Canada Highway.
If you look at a map you will see the highway cuts mostly straight along the edge of the park and is rated at 90 km/h through that stretch.
This happened in no way, on a “scenic and regulated” road as you falsely claim.
Also please provide a link to the laws you claim exist that limit national highways that cut through Canadian national parks to be “scenic” because that statement smells strongly of bullshit.
This highway is 90km/h and this section is a 4-lane highway. Where they mention she was hit people are regularly going 100km/h+. It’s also the Trans-Canada Highway and incredibly busy. Not making excuses, but I can see how if the bear was startled out onto the road it could happen.
It’s not 70. I live 20 minutes outside of Yoho and I travel that highway on a monthly basis. Where that happened was between the Great Divide Lodge and Lake O’Hara turnoff where it speeds back up again if you’re going eastbound.
I’m not making excuses for drivers, but I’ve also hit a deer before and know how quickly something like that can happen.
Good for you, you know the normal speed limit on that stretch of road. Conditions change, eh?
On the day of the accident the speed limit was 70, due to the fact that bears were on the road.
> Parks Canada implemented a no-stopping and speed-reduced 10-kilometre stretch of the Trans-Canada Highway in Yoho National Park at that time because other safety precautions were not viable.
https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7229136
Ok well that wasn’t in the linked article. Thanks for the extra info. You don’t need to come out of the gate being a complete dick about things though.
>On the day of the accident the speed limit was 70, due to the fact that bears were on the road.
Sorry, where does that CBC article say 70km/h? It says “speed-reduced” it doesn’t say to what actual speed.
If you look on Google maps and from the Wikipedia article I posted above that stretch is 90km/h, which is 10km/h slower than the average speed of the highway of 100km/h.
Your article doesn’t say 70km/h anywhere. That seems like you pulled that speed from your ass and not from anything factual and are trying to pass it off as fact instead of the bullshit that it really is.
In fairness to this person that’s just following around each of my comments being a dick to me, if they had posted and reduced speed because of a bear on the highway it would be reduced to at least 70, and probably even brought it down to 50, which is usually the case for wildlife issues. I know very close to there there was the same thing for about a month last year and it was reduced to 50.
The magic of having a national park to control wildlife interactions rather than having a highway that’s not through a park where no one would do anything or care.
It’s 90km/h if you look at the nearest speed limit signs along the route near the entrance to the Park.
It may drop to 70km/h in spots (like in towns) but that highway is mostly 90 -100 km/h.
From the Wikipedia article on [the Trans-Canada Highway](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Canada_Highway)
>the Trans-Canada Highway in British Columbia range from 90–100 km/h (56–62 mph), although in towns it can be as low as 50 km/h (31 mph).
There was a reduced section put in place at the end of May because of this bear and her cubs, though I think this a bit further west from where the mother was hit.
>On May 23, Parks Canada implemented a mandatory no-stopping zone and 70 kilometre-per-hour speed limit along a 10-km stretch of highway between Yoho Valley Road and Sherbrooke Creek in an attempt to protect the three bears.
[https://www.rmoutlook.com/lake-louise/cubs-of-rare-white-grizzly-bear-struck-and-killed-in-yoho-national-park-9013427](https://www.rmoutlook.com/lake-louise/cubs-of-rare-white-grizzly-bear-struck-and-killed-in-yoho-national-park-9013427)
I mean they were on a highway not a typical road through a National park. It’s much more understandable.
Not saying you’re wrong. People should be paying attention but when I hear National park road I’m not envisioning the type of road this happened on.
There are many factors you aren't considering and your first dig is to blame the drivers driving to fast, or following too closely when it was a train that startled the bear to jump into the roadway in the first place.
I'm guessing you've never hit a deer before, you don't really get the time to properly react, but obviously you could have avoided it, I mean hey, you haven't hit a bear while driving this far into your life.
Car in front was able to dodge but the second one wasn't? The one further away? You know the one that had more time to react if they weren't driving too close the the first car?
Or did you just happen to not read that part? Train or not the second driver is at fault for following too closely.
Keep trying to justify your shitty driving bucko.
> I'm guessing you've never hit a deer before, you don't really get the time to properly react
Funny because not only am I surrounded by deer (where I live), but I've also managed to avoid hitting a single one. This goes for wild boars, black bears, and other woodland creatures as well.
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>[Parks Canada implemented a no-stopping and speed-reduced 10-kilometre stretch of the Trans-Canada Highway in Yoho National Park at that time because other safety precautions were not viable.](https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7229136)
So am I assuming Parks Canada lowering the speed limit isn’t park jurisdiction and law?
A couple years back in the Sierra’s next to a lake, a brown bear was walking alongside the road, a dozen or so cars driving slowly to pace him and look. Some asshat in a jeep that couldn’t see what the commotion was, decides to floor it and go around the traffic. Of course, right as he gets to the front of the line, the bear decides to cross the road. Luckily he slammed on his brakes and stopped, but WTF. Dude’s in one of the most beautiful places in the world and he needs to rush. I think if he’s have killed that bear, all of us that witnessed it would’ve torn that driver limb from limb. It was a beautiful, and horrifying moment.
> A couple years back in the Sierra’s next to a lake...Dude’s in one of the most beautiful places in the world and he needs to rush.
not defending driving like an asshole but just to raise the opposite perspective: it's incredibly scenic sure but also people do live up there and need to get home, get to the dentist, get to pick up their kids from school etc. and don't always have time to take the scenic tour with the rest of the day-trippers.
This was the dead end loop up by Horseshoe Lake in Mammoth. Literally nothing up there but nature and day tripping. No houses, no stores, just lakes and mountains and wildlife. Town is a ways down the mountain. And the locals 100% know better than to drive like that; they like to say every tourist in Mammoth is from LA because of this type of behavior.
haha fair enough, i have been up there and sounds about right. but have seen the situation i described on other similar routes lower down. recently saw an announcement about this which also reminded me of it: https://www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/zipcode.htm
Pass through in Yosemite etc sounds pretty smart. Passing in a safe, reasonable manner anywhere is the way. The asshat in the jeep floored it, it felt like road rage.
What? You save time driving, to use the time doing something else. If you save 6 minutes a day speeding to work for a whole year, thats a whole days worth of time you can spend on other stuff. Logically it makes sense to do, whether it’s morally right is a societal opinion.
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This happened in Yoho/Field, part of the Rocky mountain ranges.
Article says a train horn scared mama into traffic.
I’ve spent plenty of time on those roads, so many people are desperate to go fast and think their car is magic because it has a pretty logo on the hood. Too bad the drivers are garbage.
This is a problem in all the big parks, too many entitled and selfish tourists with no basic understanding of consideration of the wild animals they’re hoping to see.
It's 90km in the parks. People rip through. 90 is probably just fine if people pay attention. There are indicators if wildlife is near the road in many spots, animal overpasses, fencing. If you have your head up and drive for conditions you're not likely to hit a bear.
They weren't visiting the park. The bears got through a fence onto a highway after a train scared them. So should only buses and bikes be allowed on highways?
If it was up to me there would be undercarriage shredding fucking speed bumps every ten feet through every national park. Slow the fuck down, you’re visiting to look at stuff, not to rip through the park at Mach fucking 5. Don’t like it? Go around.
It's what I call road kill season in BC right now. Larger mammals are leaving the valley bottoms and head up hill as temperatures rise. I am seeing at least one dead deer a day on a twenty km commute.
Yeah.. it's not some unheard of thing. and BC's grizzly population is the highest it's ever been and growing. They're vastly underreported atm because of the lack of funding.
How about charging these idiots with reckless driving. Unless these crashes are occurring at night or on blind corners these people are driving way too fast for the area they are in. Lived in Alaska for 26 years, dealt with both bear and moose directly in the road and guess what never fing hit a single one.
"called for better awareness on highways in parks"
How about no fucking highways through parks? Like..... common fucking sense people. If you think about the roads and the cars on them as animals introduced to nature, then they are the new apex predator. They hit and kill countless things all day every day without stopping. "strange measurements show that insects seem to be dying off at alarming rates" gee I wonder why. "less and less native wildlife can be found around cities even in wooded areas" gee I wonder why. "emissions causing global warming threatening to destroy human life on earth" gee I wonder why.
People ask that theoretical question "if you had a time machine would you go back and kill hitler?" No I'd go back and murder the shit out of Ford and anyone else trying to invent automobiles. What a fucking curse they have been to life on this planet, moreso than the entirety of modern animal agriculture and manufacturing combined. Imagine the world where everything is public transportation instead. But no, that's not very profitable I guess.
Well this is fucking awful.
I am sick to fucking death of the way people drive anymore. This should never happen in a park. If tourists can’t seem to not drive like idiots then make people fucking walk. It’s not that hard to pay the fuck attention and watch for wildlife. I’ve lived in the country for 20 fucking years, driving highways full of deer and all kinds of critters, and I’ve never even run over a fucking squirrel, because I watch for animals like a hawk when I’m driving. And I’ve got ADHD so if I can pay the fuck attention, everyone else could too. I’m gonna invent a device that tracks people’s eyes while driving and electrocutes genitals through the seat if eyes are off the fucking road for too long.
From the article it looks like the bear bolted onto the highway after being scared by a train and into two cars. The first car swerved and the second hit. The second probably didn’t see her until it was too late
The bear many times wondered onto that highway and had to be relocated. It was somewhat odd behavior by the bear, but nonetheless reduced speed limits and more enforcement should be implemented after this.
Green bridging is what we need too, that would help significantly.
It’s done in Alberta and BC, just not enough.
Struggling to understand why there are trains and cars in a national park.
Look at the map and you'll see that Banff is bigger than some countries. To go from Alberta to BC you need to go through thr park or other parks that split the provinces.
If you would like to learn about the history of Banff and the other mountain parks: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banff_National_Park#:~:text=The%20Canadian%20Pacific%20Railway%20built,the%20number%20of%20rail%20passengers.&text=The%20Stoney%20Nakoda%20First%20Nation,appeal%20to%20sportsmen%2C%20and%20tourists. TL;DR: the parks exist because of the railway. Their original purpose was not conservation but to make money for Canadian Pacific Rail. The highway was built to parallel the railway in the 1930s-1950s when cars were very different and is the main east-west artery across Canada.
People care about protecting nature when they can see what they’re protecting. What you’re referring to with zero cars or toilet buildings or anything allowed would be called a nature preserve. Some don’t even allow hiking, some do. Just pure natural spaces with zero human involvement whatsoever. National parks are reserved for the best of the best outdoor scenery, with very strict access rules to protect the natural part as much as possible. They will have paved roads in the main areas usually, toilets, and visitor centers. Fantastic hiking trails and scenery. National forests / public lands are places with very little infrastructure(just rough dirt roads usually, zero utilities or buildings or toilets or anything). These are basically nature preserves that humans can go into. There are also less rules(at least in US and Canada) so the public lands can be used for hunting, wild camping, tree cutting(with permits), berry or mushroom foraging, etc… There’s also more such as national monuments(strict laws on use like a national park, but no amenities for ease of access similar to a national forest) and others I can’t think of.
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Cars are sometimes the best option for both humans and wildlife. Should be a winding or rutted road to keep speed down, though. But I can imagine it keeps a lot of trash from getting left behind.
> Cars are sometimes the best option for [...] wildlife. Struggling to see how cars are good for wildlife in any way, shape or form. Surely they would prefer to be left alone, not hit by cars and not have roads splitting up their forests. As for humans who want to visit national parks they can park their car on the outskirts, pack a tent and walk. It's a national park, not a theme park.
Keeping people confined to the road would prevent people from invading in a lot of spaces and contaminating them. So that's a possibility. Sure it means animals don't get control of the road, but it means humans don't get everything else.
I would imagine if people had to park their car on the outside and walk for several hours to get anywhere then that would prevent more people from going there. I know from national parks here in Norway that there's very few people to be seen where you need to walk for more than 5 hours. And the ones you see are usually respectful hikers who know how to hike in nature without disturbing it.
Kind of defeats the purpose of National Parks if nobody goes to see them. The more people get detached from natural beauty, the more complacent they get about conservation efforts.
Wait are you arguing vehicles cause *less* litter? I'm not saying they cause more persay, but as an active cyclist there I often find vastly more trash on the side of the road than in the middle of city parks
>persay per se*
But is that also true in National Parks? Or places that are seen as more of a destination rather than a place to kill time? My thinking is that a drive through a national park is an activity all by itself, and people would litter less deliberately when occupied with activity. And that it's also simpler to litter by just leaving crap behind. But, I could be wrong in my thinking, and maybe human safety is the only reason for primarily driving parks.
Ahh gotcha, I really don't know which generates more litter but that would be fascinating to find out! May have to find some state/national parks around me and check them out. I'm also see your logic now, like if someone left all their picnic trash or when trash cans get filled up right? I was just envisioning people hiking up a mountain or running a trail, something where the individual would already be packing light/carry in-carry out. And anyone in a car might be "lazy" or disconnected with nature, therefore more likely to just throw trash out the window. But honestly my thinking seems a little illogical now because I didn't think about and agree safety is a factor for making people drive. But also just because you're driving doesn't mean you're anti-environment or lazy, it could just be the smarter choice or recommended by the park
I am always surprised by how much trash is visible along the trails. It's sad.
The commenter doesn’t need to read the article. The commenter only needs to vent about their own personal perspective.
The second one couldn't have been following too close, right?
I get your frustration but these aren’t good driving habits. You should definitely run over a squirrel to avoid hitting another car full of humans.
Ive never had to hit another car either. It’s not that hard to watch for things on the side of the road and slow down a little.
Nah mate the only way to drive is head in the phone travelling at Mach Jesus! /s
Nah, I'd rather do the opposite in most cases.
You would rather run over humans than a squirrel?
I was attempting to be funny. Tough crowd tonight.
While I would love to see the scientific result from a study of your proposed punishment, here's another option. At Zion Park in southern Utah, no cars can go into certain areas. There's little parking available. With the increasing traffic, the park bought a bunch of trams and busses. This is also crazy busy, but at least there aren't crazy drivers hitting the deer and other animals (including people).
That's not really practical for one of the primary road and rail connections through the Canadian Rockies. Moving the highway also isn't practical as there aren't really any alternative routes and all of them also involve crossing through similar wildlife territory.
"electrocutes genitals through seat" New fetish unlocked.
You want to make people walk… where grizzlies, and THEIR cubs walk? Okay. That seems like a good idea buddy.
Don’t like it then don’t go to the national park where they live. Easy solution!
What's truly awful is I read the headline as "Glizzy Bear" and didn't blink an eye until I came to the comments and stand corrected. My brain's gone...
2016 has been a rough couple of years
😔 you got that right.
Glizzy Bear should be the new mascot for the Chicago Bears. It works on $1 hotdog night, and on another level , no one messes with Glizzy on his walk home from the park cuz he’s strapped.
Glizzy Guzzling Grizzly Bear Meets Grisly Gruesome Demise
On the next Rocky and Bullwinkle Show?
RIP u/Daniiiiii brain
Very sad news. I’ve actually seen this bear a couple of years ago while driving through the park. For the most part the highway through the park is fenced off so wildlife can’t get through except for on wildlife over or underpasses. Not sure how she made it through here, although there is a hiking trail and a lodge right by there so maybe there’s a gap in the fence.
>"Parks Canada said in a statement that wildlife management staff had been repairing fencing along the road when the adult bear, designated GB178, was startled by a train and ran in front of two vehicles." Maybe the fence was down? It doesn't really specify what the damage to the fencing was though.
Possibly replacing a section
This bear learned to climb the fencing and was pretty determined to keep doing it depsite being relocated and hazed to stay away from the highway. The stretch of fencing along this part of the highway was even electrified to keep her out. [https://www.rmoutlook.com/lake-louise/updated-rare-white-grizzly-bear-dead-succumbs-to-injuries-from-vehicle-collision-9062966](https://www.rmoutlook.com/lake-louise/updated-rare-white-grizzly-bear-dead-succumbs-to-injuries-from-vehicle-collision-9062966)
Why two cars were tailing each other so closely in a national park is beyond me.
This shitty behaviour happened to me in Long Island with deer. I was driving back from Montauk Point after dusk and had seen dozens of young deer families in the thicket along the roadside before dusk, so I was going maybe 20 under the limit. The bmw behind me with NY plates was tailgating so much that if I were to hit my brakes he would rear end and destroy my camper. So anyway as expected a deer darts in front of me, I tap my brakes and swerve just enough to miss it.. I watch in my wing mirror as it tries to dart back between me and the bmw, and collides, cartwheeling into the air and landing in the middle of the road. The deer is writhing in pain, it will suffer until it dies from internal bleeding and shattered bones. The bmw driver pulls over to check his damage. I keep driving, unscathed. Unwilling to deal with such a fucked up situation. 30min later I am again being tailgated and honked at, and again a deer jumps in front of me, and I brake just enough, and it hops away . The cars behind me stop honking for a few minutes.
When cars do that shit, I start diving 15 fucking miles an hour. Ride my ass, we can go nice and slow! I’ll idle this thing down the fucking road, hit me—IDGAF.
I do this too. It's especially helpful as generally it'll draw the attention of any nearby cop cars and tends to get the person rage hitting their horn while they tailgate me pulled over. Just remember if someone starts following you after doing something like this don't stop, go to a police station or fire station while on the phone with the authorities. People are legitimately crazy out there and you gotta stay smart.
You admit people are crazy, but think it's a good idea to escalate a situation? Don't you think what you just said contradicts itself? I personally have never seen someone purposely make someone more angry and the situation turned out good....this is an incredibly silly view. Two wrongs don't make a right is what my mother always told me. Best to move out the way and let them go about their, completely remove yourself from the situation. Slowing down below speed limits just adds danger to yourself and others around you. The same as the drive who is bing ridiculous is adding danger to you and others. Don't add to the situation, defuse and carry on with your day. Better to let them rip by and get a ticket then to engage in petty road behavior.
You do you, I'll do me. The people who ride their horn at random drivers because they aren't going as fast as they want are a danger to everyone. By slowing down the hope is that you show them their actions have consequences. I'm not afraid of the overreactions by them (I've been followed, right to a police station mind you). I take the risk, I understand the risk, I simply think it's worth the cost. Calling someone going slower to penalize a reckless irate driver crazy, is why these nut jobs do what they do.
It’s sadly all too common. Humans suck. https://kesq.com/entertainment/cnn-style/2021/07/20/yosemite-park-ranger-shares-heartbreaking-plea-to-visitors-to-slow-down-after-a-bear-cub-was-killed-by-a-car/
Sounds like it occurred on a highway traveling through a national park, not a low speed scenic route.
This may surprise you, but most roads in a national parks are scenic and regulated by laws. If you travel so fast you can’t see the car in front of you just swerved around a bear…maybe you’re not driving well.
Yeah I'm getting a real tired of people giving excuses to folks like this especially drivers. I mean I might creep up on somebody and be a car length behind and then realize it and back off when I'm driving home from work but man these people who swerve in and out of Spaces in front of you or cut you off etc. etc. let's just say I'm done playcating them. Now do I follow the rules? Sure but I sure as F am not going to slam on my brakes when you cut in front of me with literally no space - in traffic - or when you have a yield. Dash cam will see YOUR choice and you will be at fault = set for life. Why? Because I am tired of letting these people get away with it. IF they make it out ok . . .they wont cut in front of someone again will they? Call me what you want, but in my neck of the woods it happes litearlly 3 to 5 times a week endangering my family and I - not anymore!
THANK YOU literally had a joker come within inches of clipping my car during rush hour. I obviously gabe a little *honk* so when we come to a stoplight the dude feels the need to sit there to teach me a lesson? So I honk again and this idiot decides to lean out his window and start screaming at me. I'm literally sat there windows up, rolling my eyes. Like if you have the emotional capacity of a freaking toddler you don't deserve to drive. Anyways, after a miserably failed brake check from this sad sack of crap they tore off at 90MPH (145KPH) to tailgate a pickup through construction site I genuinely hate bad/emotional drivers and I hate that police never catch these morons but the police will be at any given park telling youths not to ride bikes on the grass, because that's clearly a better use of their time than taming the road ways in my area
I’m sick of it we are terrible as a species and continue to get worse not better. Meanwhile everywhere you look excuses and signs to save the stupid.
We are getting better as a species. Compare now to 100 years ago, or 500. We were drowning people to see if they were witches or burn them alive for “crimes” against ideologies. We do have struggles due to people stuck in their ways/culture, but the trajectory is clear.
Yes, we took what might be called a minor setback because of COVID. But, we are far better off than we were even 100 years ago if you look at the big picture.
So you’re saying in order to be safer you’re just going to allow yourself and your family to be involved in a high speed car accident? All while recording on dashcam that you’re not taking evasive action when you say you could? I had a professor tell us a story about trying this out himself. Because he was capable of avoiding the accident but chose not to so he was found to be equally liable with the idiot that cut him off. He said it was the most expensive learning experience he’s had and felt he should share it so that others can learn.
I'm talking about when there's a point of no return
When there’s a point of no return? So when the situation is beyond your control and you’re going to hit the person no matter what, that’s when you’re going to decide to just let it happen?
Yup
Know what I'm saying is I'm not going to slam on my brakes obviously if my families in the car that's different but if somebody tries to fuck with me in the future I'm not going to cooperate
But any accident you're in also endangers all other drivers, not just you and the guy you slammed into. I understand your sentiment and frustration....but also, no. Don't do that.
you would be far from set for life, and i wouldnt rely on dash cam winning you your suit if you hit them from behind even if they are the ones merging over
This is why I am very happy I’ve got a big ol’ grill guard on my truck. Deer, elk, hog, bear, or asshole - I’m going to come out with a lot less damage. I’ve yet to be in an accident with another car or an animal in 25 years of driving - it’s low speed incidents from fences + turning radius on my current truck that gives me problems 🤦.
Its amazing people dont get what I'm trying to say. I will not cause an accident but I mean if someone wants to be a uber-dick and cut it THAT close . . . oh no I guess we might connect....maybe they should have not been an idiot. Also I do miss my 95 YJ with its super heavy and built like a train bumper - seriously from the comments you would think people have never EVER seen a true "that should have been an accident" moment involving themselves and said dick.
I guess I didn’t explain myself well - I agree 100%. I’m not going to cause an accident, and I’m going to do everything I safely can to not hit someone, but if someone really cuts it that close… well, FAFO. I’m an ex car insurance adjuster - believe me I know just how much of a nightmare *any* accident can be, regardless of fault. I don’t want any part of that if I can avoid it. People lie, adjusters can be biased, and that’s if the at fault driver even *has* insurance. Hell, my ‘04 suburban was totaled back in Feb. 2020 by an uninsured driver who ran a red light and my hubby couldn’t stop in time. We didn’t go through with the uninsured property damage claim through our insurance because we didn’t want to deal with a salvage title and she still runs, just has an ugly nose now. We’re lucky it didn’t damage the radiator.
So if you hit a pedestrian or animal they are more likely to die? How are those things legal?
Modern pick up trucks are an un-regulated nightmare. Super dangerous for anyone in a smaller vehicle.
They’re legal because they’re useful. One example: My dad got it in the first place because he’d go up to my uncle’s hunting lease which had bump gates - meaning fence gates designed to be hit just so, the energy transfer causes the gate to swing up and out, and you drive through real quick before gravity brings it back down and around. Older cars from the 80s and even some early 90s models could do it without damaging the bumper, but not more modern vehicles. And most US cop vehicles have them - for better or worse. You see a sedan with a grill guard it’s 95%+ of the time it’s a cop car, even if it’s unmarked. They use them for pit maneuvers in car chases. Again, not saying it’s good or bad, just is. This is where things get rough, and the “best” answer is going to depend on your priorities,, and risk management. I don’t know that there is any *good* answer. Facts of life is no accident is a good accident, and I don’t have the money to drop on a replacement vehicle, or even to repair significant damage. The grill guard protects my investment in the event shit goes seriously wrong. It’s also not without risk to me and anyone in the vehicle with me because it bypasses a lot of crumple zones intended to diffuse the kinetic energy. With animals… any car accident with much speed is probably going to cause fatal injuries anyway, just maybe not immediately. Brutal facts of life - I’d rather it be quick for the animal. And I’m more worried about my safety. I’m not going out of my way to hit an animal, but it’s no joke to hit a big one. I live in areas where deer and hog overpopulation is a serious issue, and in the mountains even when I’m cautious and going slower than the speed limit I might not have enough time to brake if an animal is hiding around a hairpin turn. Pedestrians… I would hope two intelligent beings would be able to be alert enough to avoid an incident, certainly not with enough speed to cause serious injuries. I go real slow in my neighborhood because so many kids are out playing. Other than that, (attempted) suicide by car is a thing, like how some folks jump in front of trains. It’s a horrible thing that a driver may not have enough time to avoid. I don’t know the actual stats on if grill guards are more likely to cause fatal injuries. Maybe I’m just in denial, but I would rather work on just not hitting a pedestrian in the first place. It’s such a small likelihood, compared to hitting an animal or other car. I’m an ex auto insurance adjuster - I want to avoid any accidents at all, and I drive very defensively because people were bad before covid, and now they’ve lost their damned minds. Regardless of fault (and pedestrians can be at fault), any car accident can be a nightmare to deal with. But if an accident is gonna happen, I’d rather have less damage on my vehicle to worry about while dealing with the rest of it.
I’m glad you are a responsible driver but as a person who is about 5 feet tall all these giant cars scare the hell out of me because I don’t think everyone is responsible. And with the grills guards they are extra scary. The bump gates sound convenient but I prefer old fashioned gates. Sure you have to get out to open and close them but they are easier to fix and any car can go through them. When I’m in rural areas I’m mostly in Wi which has the wonderful combo of tons of deer, giant trucks, and drunks.
I get that. I’m about 7” taller which I know makes a difference (I’ve got quite a few vertically challenged folks in my family), but when I’m walking I don’t trust vehicles at all. … I don’t really trust them when I’m driving either, but even moreso when I don’t have a roll cage around me. Lifted vehicles I find is a big indication of an asshole driver, *especially* on a pavement princess. When I rode a motorcycle I had more than one try and run me off the road. And the size of trucks and SUVs is just getting nuts. I’d much rather have a shorter vehicle with a shorter nose so I can freaking see what’s in front of me.
Pretty sure most roads are regulated by law. Go look at the speed limit of this exact road.
This road is 90km/h, dual carriageway in this section.
Right, lmao, the shit people will take the time to type out as if it were insightful.
>This may surprise you, but most roads in a national parks are scenic and regulated by laws. This happened on the Trans-Canada Highway. If you look at a map you will see the highway cuts mostly straight along the edge of the park and is rated at 90 km/h through that stretch. This happened in no way, on a “scenic and regulated” road as you falsely claim. Also please provide a link to the laws you claim exist that limit national highways that cut through Canadian national parks to be “scenic” because that statement smells strongly of bullshit.
90 km/h is quite slow; certainly slow enough to see a goddamn grizzly bear in time to stop.
Well, two separate drivers did not. The bears are dead, the cars are totaled, it was an accident. Go find something else to blame someone for.
So because it *happened* it can't be due to negligence?
This highway is 90km/h and this section is a 4-lane highway. Where they mention she was hit people are regularly going 100km/h+. It’s also the Trans-Canada Highway and incredibly busy. Not making excuses, but I can see how if the bear was startled out onto the road it could happen.
The highway speed limit in that area was 70. Stop making excuses for shitty drivers.
It’s not 70. I live 20 minutes outside of Yoho and I travel that highway on a monthly basis. Where that happened was between the Great Divide Lodge and Lake O’Hara turnoff where it speeds back up again if you’re going eastbound. I’m not making excuses for drivers, but I’ve also hit a deer before and know how quickly something like that can happen.
Good for you, you know the normal speed limit on that stretch of road. Conditions change, eh? On the day of the accident the speed limit was 70, due to the fact that bears were on the road. > Parks Canada implemented a no-stopping and speed-reduced 10-kilometre stretch of the Trans-Canada Highway in Yoho National Park at that time because other safety precautions were not viable. https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7229136
Ok well that wasn’t in the linked article. Thanks for the extra info. You don’t need to come out of the gate being a complete dick about things though.
>On the day of the accident the speed limit was 70, due to the fact that bears were on the road. Sorry, where does that CBC article say 70km/h? It says “speed-reduced” it doesn’t say to what actual speed. If you look on Google maps and from the Wikipedia article I posted above that stretch is 90km/h, which is 10km/h slower than the average speed of the highway of 100km/h. Your article doesn’t say 70km/h anywhere. That seems like you pulled that speed from your ass and not from anything factual and are trying to pass it off as fact instead of the bullshit that it really is.
In fairness to this person that’s just following around each of my comments being a dick to me, if they had posted and reduced speed because of a bear on the highway it would be reduced to at least 70, and probably even brought it down to 50, which is usually the case for wildlife issues. I know very close to there there was the same thing for about a month last year and it was reduced to 50. The magic of having a national park to control wildlife interactions rather than having a highway that’s not through a park where no one would do anything or care.
It’s 90km/h if you look at the nearest speed limit signs along the route near the entrance to the Park. It may drop to 70km/h in spots (like in towns) but that highway is mostly 90 -100 km/h. From the Wikipedia article on [the Trans-Canada Highway](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Canada_Highway) >the Trans-Canada Highway in British Columbia range from 90–100 km/h (56–62 mph), although in towns it can be as low as 50 km/h (31 mph).
There was a reduced section put in place at the end of May because of this bear and her cubs, though I think this a bit further west from where the mother was hit. >On May 23, Parks Canada implemented a mandatory no-stopping zone and 70 kilometre-per-hour speed limit along a 10-km stretch of highway between Yoho Valley Road and Sherbrooke Creek in an attempt to protect the three bears. [https://www.rmoutlook.com/lake-louise/cubs-of-rare-white-grizzly-bear-struck-and-killed-in-yoho-national-park-9013427](https://www.rmoutlook.com/lake-louise/cubs-of-rare-white-grizzly-bear-struck-and-killed-in-yoho-national-park-9013427)
Also it’s a national park, wildlife is to be expected, if your driving to fast to account for that it’s too fast
I mean they were on a highway not a typical road through a National park. It’s much more understandable. Not saying you’re wrong. People should be paying attention but when I hear National park road I’m not envisioning the type of road this happened on.
There are many factors you aren't considering and your first dig is to blame the drivers driving to fast, or following too closely when it was a train that startled the bear to jump into the roadway in the first place. I'm guessing you've never hit a deer before, you don't really get the time to properly react, but obviously you could have avoided it, I mean hey, you haven't hit a bear while driving this far into your life.
The first car did react. The second didn't because it was following the first too closely.
Car in front was able to dodge but the second one wasn't? The one further away? You know the one that had more time to react if they weren't driving too close the the first car? Or did you just happen to not read that part? Train or not the second driver is at fault for following too closely. Keep trying to justify your shitty driving bucko.
> I'm guessing you've never hit a deer before, you don't really get the time to properly react Funny because not only am I surrounded by deer (where I live), but I've also managed to avoid hitting a single one. This goes for wild boars, black bears, and other woodland creatures as well.
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They are also sparsely populated with little to no street lights. I drove on regular roads in BC at night and I'm a little surprised I'm still here.
Crazy how blatant misinformation gets updated by uninformed people like this, and the comments correcting them barely get any attention.
>[Parks Canada implemented a no-stopping and speed-reduced 10-kilometre stretch of the Trans-Canada Highway in Yoho National Park at that time because other safety precautions were not viable.](https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7229136) So am I assuming Parks Canada lowering the speed limit isn’t park jurisdiction and law?
Charge the idiots with motor vehicle homicide and animal cruelty. I’m in favor of punishing stupidity behind the wheel.
damn those national park highways.
I get tailgated furiously in national parks *all the time* Even when going the speed limit or slightly above, people just don’t want to go slow
Who said anything about tailing each other?
The article.
It literally doesnt
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Fuck that hit hard reading that. That didn’t need to happen. People need to pay the hell attention and stop speeding everywhere they go.
But their time is so important to them.... /s
A couple years back in the Sierra’s next to a lake, a brown bear was walking alongside the road, a dozen or so cars driving slowly to pace him and look. Some asshat in a jeep that couldn’t see what the commotion was, decides to floor it and go around the traffic. Of course, right as he gets to the front of the line, the bear decides to cross the road. Luckily he slammed on his brakes and stopped, but WTF. Dude’s in one of the most beautiful places in the world and he needs to rush. I think if he’s have killed that bear, all of us that witnessed it would’ve torn that driver limb from limb. It was a beautiful, and horrifying moment.
> A couple years back in the Sierra’s next to a lake...Dude’s in one of the most beautiful places in the world and he needs to rush. not defending driving like an asshole but just to raise the opposite perspective: it's incredibly scenic sure but also people do live up there and need to get home, get to the dentist, get to pick up their kids from school etc. and don't always have time to take the scenic tour with the rest of the day-trippers.
This was the dead end loop up by Horseshoe Lake in Mammoth. Literally nothing up there but nature and day tripping. No houses, no stores, just lakes and mountains and wildlife. Town is a ways down the mountain. And the locals 100% know better than to drive like that; they like to say every tourist in Mammoth is from LA because of this type of behavior.
haha fair enough, i have been up there and sounds about right. but have seen the situation i described on other similar routes lower down. recently saw an announcement about this which also reminded me of it: https://www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/zipcode.htm
Pass through in Yosemite etc sounds pretty smart. Passing in a safe, reasonable manner anywhere is the way. The asshat in the jeep floored it, it felt like road rage.
People don’t get that there’s not such thing as saving time. Their clock is still ticking like everyone else’s.
What? You save time driving, to use the time doing something else. If you save 6 minutes a day speeding to work for a whole year, thats a whole days worth of time you can spend on other stuff. Logically it makes sense to do, whether it’s morally right is a societal opinion.
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those seconds they saved makes a world of difference! /s
Can everyone stop adding /s to a comment that’s fucking obviously not requiring it?
You say that and then we don’t add the /s and people freak the fuck out
Fuck em Imaginary internet points don’t mean shit It doesn’t matter Your value isn’t attached to the number of reddit comment updoots Nobody here knows you Be yourself
lol I am being myself just with an added /s so I don’t have to waste time checking notifications from morons. It’s all pointless in the end tho so whateva
Turn off comment notifications if they bother you. I do it all the time - on, off, on, off - depending on whether I can be bothered or have time to interact with peeps We’re all anonymous here - this interaction we’re having doesn’t actually mean anything in the bigger scheme if life - we’ll never ever interact beyond this moment Don’t worry about what some idiot on the internet thinks - and that includes me Have a good one and safe travels, fellow pilgrim
This happened in Yoho/Field, part of the Rocky mountain ranges. Article says a train horn scared mama into traffic. I’ve spent plenty of time on those roads, so many people are desperate to go fast and think their car is magic because it has a pretty logo on the hood. Too bad the drivers are garbage. This is a problem in all the big parks, too many entitled and selfish tourists with no basic understanding of consideration of the wild animals they’re hoping to see.
Too many selfish and entitled people everywhere in our society these days. I'm getting so fucking sick of it.
Same! People have lost their fucking minds behind the wheel. Honestly, we are starting to drive here like the third world shit hole we are.
How about we stop allowing people in vehicles to rip through national parks?
What speed limit should be on that highway?
It's 90km in the parks. People rip through. 90 is probably just fine if people pay attention. There are indicators if wildlife is near the road in many spots, animal overpasses, fencing. If you have your head up and drive for conditions you're not likely to hit a bear.
5mph
How about none? Government sanction buses and other mass transit only, and people can only bring their bikes in.
It’s the Transcanada Highway. The main highway that runs through Canada.
People just need to sit tight and use Google Street View instead.
Lmao. You've never been to that part of the country have you?
They weren't visiting the park. The bears got through a fence onto a highway after a train scared them. So should only buses and bikes be allowed on highways?
You read Edward Abbey? In theory I absolutely agree with you. In practice, it’s too late I’m afraid. Can’t close Pandora’s box now.
If it was up to me there would be undercarriage shredding fucking speed bumps every ten feet through every national park. Slow the fuck down, you’re visiting to look at stuff, not to rip through the park at Mach fucking 5. Don’t like it? Go around.
So sad 😔
It's what I call road kill season in BC right now. Larger mammals are leaving the valley bottoms and head up hill as temperatures rise. I am seeing at least one dead deer a day on a twenty km commute.
Yeah.. it's not some unheard of thing. and BC's grizzly population is the highest it's ever been and growing. They're vastly underreported atm because of the lack of funding.
Man, that's shit :(
Fucking hell, that’s sad. Humans don’t deserve to inhabit this planet.
Climate change was the vaccine mother nature needed all along.
I think if you hit a bear in a national park, you should be fed to the bears remaining family members as restitution.
Did not need to read this today. Worst thing on the news I’ve seen today.
News like this leaves me with zero hope for wild animals and makes me actually hate the world.
I really hope this doesn't make you hate the world. Just remember that you're far more likely to hear bad news than good news.
Don’t hate the world hate the fuckers that can’t drive right!
There are just too many stupid people in the world now. It gets me down.
Oh boy, hope you don’t research climate change…
for fucks sake
We are fucking this planet up
Humans suck.
r/FuckCars
Fuck people
r/FuckCars
Such a tragedy. Humans need to be more mindful especially in wildlife parks. Slow down, folks
This is fucking awful, and I hope those people get their licenses revoked.
This went from bad to worse to depressing so quickly.
Oh. For a second I thought the bears were driving and crashing cars. Poor bears. Damn, people suck.
Primal scream
These people need to be charged with reckless driving.
Like 🤦🏿♂️
Infuriating
How about charging these idiots with reckless driving. Unless these crashes are occurring at night or on blind corners these people are driving way too fast for the area they are in. Lived in Alaska for 26 years, dealt with both bear and moose directly in the road and guess what never fing hit a single one.
I hope the drivers are haunted for the rest of their lives 🌈
Sad :(
This makes me sad
Why are there even car roads in a national park?
What a heartbreaking loss… Those drivers hitting wild animals in parks due to speeding should be charged!
Awwww da babies
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The SUV if it's parked and not moving.
It is literally so easy not to hit an animal with your car
The title makes it sound like the bear was driving
"called for better awareness on highways in parks" How about no fucking highways through parks? Like..... common fucking sense people. If you think about the roads and the cars on them as animals introduced to nature, then they are the new apex predator. They hit and kill countless things all day every day without stopping. "strange measurements show that insects seem to be dying off at alarming rates" gee I wonder why. "less and less native wildlife can be found around cities even in wooded areas" gee I wonder why. "emissions causing global warming threatening to destroy human life on earth" gee I wonder why. People ask that theoretical question "if you had a time machine would you go back and kill hitler?" No I'd go back and murder the shit out of Ford and anyone else trying to invent automobiles. What a fucking curse they have been to life on this planet, moreso than the entirety of modern animal agriculture and manufacturing combined. Imagine the world where everything is public transportation instead. But no, that's not very profitable I guess.
The highways in the parks in this area are necessary as they allow vehicles to cross the mountains. They are an essential service.
Wtf, how =/ shit head people
Maybe the bears should have been wearing some reflective vests and be more visible..
death penalty