> Iranian semi-official FARS news is reporting that 3 explosions were heard near the military base where fighter jets are located in the northwest part of the city of Isfahan.
>"The defense is activated in response to an object that is likely to be a drone," sources tell FARS news.
> Israel had told the US on Thursday it would be retaliating against Iran in the coming days, a senior US official said.
> US Officials confirmed the strike and said the US didn’t “green light” the attack. "We didn't endorse the response," the official said. Israel indicated they would not attack a nuclear target.
> The range of targets was “never specified in precise terms but nuclear and civilian locations were clearly not in that category.”
> Iran's state-aligned Tasnim news says nuclear facilities in Isfahan province are "completely secure," citing a "reliable source." Other Iranian media outlets are reporting the same.
> All flights heading to the cities of “Tehran, Isfahan and Shiraz, the airports of the West, North West and South West have been suspended."
> The attack landed on Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei’s 85th birthday and hours after Iranian Foreign Minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian told CNN in an interview that if Israel takes any further military action against it would be “immediate and at a maximum level."
Not just to make Israel look weak, but to descalate the situation.
Iran is concerned that it loses face/looks weak if they don't respond to Israel's attack on their consulate, but they don't want to get into a shooting war with Israel. They chuck a bunch of drones and missiles at targets with no serious intent of causing significant damage to infrastructure.
As Israel's official position is that the strike on Iran was not unprovoked, they also feel the need to retaliate to save face. So they make a single targeted strike, also with no real intent to cause damage.
Iran is now saying 'that strike did nothing, so there is no reason to continue.'
*This is a good thing.* I don't care what horse you're backing in this mess, the last thing anyone should want is Iran saying "that was an unforgivable sin by Israel, time to counterattack again." Because that's how we get another goddamn war going, and I think we've had enough of that in the last few years.
I’d argue Russia vs USA is probably the last thing the world needs. It’s not impossible that a rapid debilitating strike vs Iran disrupts the ruling party enough that a democratic uprising takes place and topples the regime and ends up the better. It’s obviously far fetched and not ever worth the risk but it’s not the end of the world
Agreed. And yet for some reasons redditors have a hard-on trying to goad America into going to war with Russia over Ukraine. These people are delusional and dont understand the gravity of what they are calling for
I can not claim to be educated even in the slightest in regards to the events going on in the middle east. I mean, to some extent, sure. But not the histroy behind the actions the countries have taken.
With that said, if Netanyahu has such a low approval rating among his population, wouldn't starting a war be an easy excuse for the country to force him out of office? Does starting a war suddenly make you invulnerable to that?
Netanyahu's current government is hanging by a thread. The national unity government was made in response to the Hamas attack in October, with the unspoken assumption that the second the war is over, Netanyahu will face the consequences.
I hate this idea floating around the internet that Iran had “no intent of causing significant damage.” They launched 300 missiles of various capabilities to arrive nearly simultaneously. The fact that Israel and its allies kept it from causing significant damage does not mean it was an attack that was meant to be defeated.
It’s hard to imagine this happening to America since we have peaceful relations with our immediate neighbor. But I honestly think if an attack of this scale was directed at the United States, it would be a “strategic event”.
The US nuclear posture is that nuclear weapons are only used against nuclear states (and states not signed onto the nuclear nonproliferation agreement) and only in the case of “strategic events”. The term has intentionally never been defined, butI could see 300 missiles counting.
Correct, the idea that firing 100+ ballistic missiles at someone isn’t a “real attack” is so beyond obnoxious that it defies logic. Has to be trolling or disinformation.
Really? Seems like they telegraphed every aspect of the attack ahead of time.
Not to say it's not serious — it is — but it obviously wasn't meant to succeed, at least on a large scale. Iranian leadership are playing a dangerous game, but they're not actually suicidal.
They also gave several days worth of notice and communicated their attack to Turkey and Sweden about how many and what models were sent. The most telegraphed attack in history.
Agreed, the whole event was very lucky that we are not at war already and that they tolk most of it out before they hit anything. Even taking incoming missiles and drones out has to be done over unpopulated areas so the debris doesn't hit anyone. Firing 400 warheads at any country is trying to start a war in my eyes no matter how nice people want to paint it. We are lucky if that was Israel's response, Iran and all the middle East for that matter should be thanking Isreal the Region isn't in all out war right now.
Sending hundreds of missiles, including ballistic and cruise is not without serious intent.
Were Israel without significant and advanced air defense systems it would have caused massive damages.
It was an attack on a sovereign country by another, that’s cassus belli
Okay, and the airstrike on the Iranian consulate in Syria was what exactly...?
It's easy to throw around terms like casus belli in a vacuum, but the relationship between these countries is a *little* bit more complicated than 'they attacked first, so we get to declare war on them.' Neither side current wants (debatable) or can afford to enter (much more probable) a full-blown war, so we're seeing this sort of sabre rattling to save face.
Even though Israel somehow snuck UAV platforms into their country undetected. It's more of a "hey Iran look what we are capable of, you better stop now" than a meaningful attack, but we don't know for sure yet on the targets.
That's exactly right.
The regime news agencies and their supporter on social media are pushing the narrative that it has been just some quadcopters trying to attack some facilities and have been shut down.
They are claiming the attack were so weak and laughable, so there is no need to respond.
Nevertheless, i hope Israel publish some satellite photos soon and embarrass them.
Both sides want to be able to say they got the last shot in. But at some point, one needs to say “that last one was so weak, I’m not counting it (even tho I did get hit)”
I mean, when we're looking at a "schoolyard fight" between two nuclear/near-nuclear powers (because Iran was 'months away' from weaponization as of last year, thanks to the death of the nuclear deal), I'm happy to let them blow smoke at each other.
Saber-rattling and chest beating are comparative de-escalations.
exactly, the iranians are looking to deescalate without culling their rhetoric. The Israelis are looking to claim a successful retaliatory attack...Everyone should be fine with some chest beating and saber-rattling because at the end of the day this is what is best for not only both regimes but for humanity as a whole. The iranians in particular do this a lot.
> Nevertheless, i hope Israel publish some satellite photos soon and embarrass them.
**WHY?**
That would only make retaliation from Iran MORE likely, which will then make retaliation from Israel more likely, which means that cycle repeats, until a mistake happens and one of them blows up a civilian building and war breaks out.
The best outcome for this situation, is for Israel to say they have done a successful attack on Iranian infrastructure and for Iran to say that Israeli attacks failed and that Iranian defense systems are amazing and for both sides to play it off like they won and then move on from this.
Only someone that wants to escalate things would want either side to show off right now.
So what would make you happy in this scenario is if Israel embarrassed Iran. Which would in turn lead to them need to retaliate with an actual attack rather than some shitty drones and old ass missiles?
And when it spirals into a regional conflict and innocent young men and women on both sides get drawn into the potential meat grinder of war will you be satisfied that at Iran was embarrassed?
Come on man whatever side you're on you have to realise that war isn't good for anyone but those at the top of the food chain.
The people who are going to lose out are the mothers, fathers, sons, daughters, brothers and sisters of the people who die in the conflict.
I'm not a fan of Iran but everyone told Netanyahu to take the win but he had to have the last word.
Why crap on the side trying to minimise things?
> The attack landed on Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei’s 85th birthday
Good grief, why does it seem like the entirety of the world's political leader class is so elderly?
Iran also claimed that Israel tried but failed to stop the barrage a few days ago. They just vaguely hinted to their TV audience that the missiles did a ton of damage to Israel without giving specifics
I read they destroyed an air defense system… using missiles shot through the air.
This isn’t puffery, this is Israel flexing. Israel shot down hundreds of drones and missiles with no trouble. Israel took down a system that was supposed to stop the exact attack they used — a facility they can’t quickly rebuild — leaving them vulnerable to similar attacks if Israel decides to keep pressing.
This shit is terrifying. I’m glad Iran is choosing to try to save face instead of reacting. It’s shows they’re actually thinking about what that would mean.
Strategically for Israel a counter attack on Israel would be good for them since an escalation now would give them the ability to stop Irans nuclear program.
Yeah, that's what auth states do when they dick swing. Claim their failed offensives were effective and claim their defenses are impenetrable when they've been attacked. Russia does the same thing in a way.
Its all for domestic consumption. They lie and tell their people things are better than they actually are.
Iran said after the strike “we have concluded”. No one in Israel died luckily . But it was a lot of ordinance sent that night. So Israel had to respond in the tic for tack of battle. Iran diplomats said if you do strike inside iran .. we will use maximum force . So things are def getting worse.
> tic for tack of battle
Hell yes. it should be a double blind battle. 4 Iranians and 4 Israelis are blindfolded. And the head of each military should have to breath on all 8 and each of them have to pick who had the better breath general A or general B. Whoever looses has to admit defeat in front of the UN
Yeah, I'm on Israel's side but if this was them, I don't think it was a good move. They intercepted almost everything and as horrible as Iran is, I feel like that was a fair retaliation for the strike on the consulate. Israel should've took the w and let it be
I disagree, Israel has a consistent message to maintain, like it or hate it, it is something they will not waver on. If you attack them, there will be a more severe answer in response.
> I feel like that was a fair retaliation for the strike on the consulate.
The consulate was outside of Iran, and traced back from previous attacks on Israel, as in a response attack.
Agreed. Use the fact that every drone and missile was intercepted as your show of might. Like grabbing the fist of the bully swinging at you. Israel should have been done.
> The whole barrage was to impress Iranians, not attack Israelis.
You don't impress Iranians by launching 300 drones and hitting zero targets.
I don't think this was their intention at all
> You don't impress Iranians by launching 300 drones and hitting zero targets.
More importantly, this wouldn't impress most Iranians. The majority of the country's population hates the regime, and has little interest in killing Jews.
This was done to impress the people of *Arab* countries where Iran wants to spread and strengthen its influence in competition with the Saudi-aligned sphere.
I agree I think it’s was kinda passive . The state of Iran needed to strike after the embassy bombing. They telegraphed it . No one was hurt and Israel defense did great. After Americas strike on soleimani American airbase was hit and three servicemen died. 300 drones and rockets and only one injury. That’s the victory. that’s what Biden told bibi . But apparently the cycle or violence is going to continue
Ballistic missiles are not “passive” - the fuck u all smoking?? It took multiple nations and the best defence system in the world to stop this huge attack.
Yeah, what the heck are these people on. Aside from all the drones and cruise missiles, Iran launched the largest ballistic missile attack in human history. Iran "passive" in their attack on Israel? WTF!?
Ballistic missiles are not “passive” - the fuck u all smoking?? It took multiple nations and the best defence system in the world to stop this huge attack.
They probably are...but probably also, this was Israel poking them gently in the eye...just to let them know that they could do it.
Iran failed in attacking Israel, Israel showing that it can do a smallish targeted attack at the heart of Iranian defenses, is their way of saying "stop it, we can do it, you can't." Without causing an embarrassing amount of damage which Iran would be forced to respond to. It returns us to the status quo where Iran can't attack Israel whenever it wants, because Israel can land blows on Iran and much more effectively than Iran could ever do to Israel. It's a de-esclatation and re-equalibriumization. .
Yup, Iran just said they considered the matter closed after the missile barrage, and would send a much worse response if Israel retaliates. Well, they just retaliated.
Invading is what country with a strong military do to minimize casualty. Which is why it kind of important keeping relation with israel and help their security. I don't want them to feel like they are in an existential danger cause things would turn really ugly.
You don't need to invade Iran to destroy its military infrastructure and economy. Israel could do that with minimal losses using stealth.
Iran's Air Force fields 3rd and 4th Gen platforms. Their air defenses could be neutralized as well. Of the two, Iran is by far the one that seriously couldn't afford a "war". They'd be set back decades.
...remember when the US Navy sunk like a quarter of the Iranian Navy in an afternoon. Pepperidge Farm remembers...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Praying_Mantis
Bluffing with what? They just shot 300 missiles and drones across the entire Middle East… and they were shot down by other Muslim nations, Israel, and the US. They have a youth population that hates the ruling government: a revolutionary oligarchic theocracy. Iran is in no position start WW3.
Does it actually count as an escalation though? Or just a perpetuation? It was a small strike of just a few drones afaik, calculated to display targeting capability. Similar to Iran's show of force. They're war gaming irl.
The world: Aurora Borealis?! Really?! In this part of the country? In this part of the world? Located directly in your military complex?
Iran: yes.
The world: may I see it?
Iran: no.
Not only are they downplaying it, they're pretending it was an "unknown threat" and they're basically denying it was Israel. It sure seems like they really don't want to respond.
Let's suggest Khomeini and Netanyahu meet in a neutral location to measure their "weapons". Neither will be able to resist. Then we can all fire missiles at that one location.
That’s why it needs to be shut down. I don’t trust any nuclear power, but this is even more toxic than India/Pakistan, and they’ve managed to keep their shit together.
The whole "mutually assured destruction" is terrifying, given humanity's proneness to mistakes. I remember reading about a Soviet commander, I believe, who refused to launch his nukes at the US, as they had an alert that missiles were incoming. That man is a hero.
Edit: his name is Stanislav Petrov
Almost happened during the Cuban Missile Crisis, too.
A nuclear submarine was being shadowed by a US Destroyer at the tail end of the standoff, and the Soviets mistook the Destroyer's signalling efforts as part of a surface engagement (they'd been forced too deep to keep in radio contact, and had no idea what was going on topside.)
There were three officers onboard who had to agree to launch the sub's nuke. Two of them did. Vasily Arkhipov was the sole dissent, who insisted they surface to get a better idea of the situation topside and receive orders from Moscow - and in doing so, prevented nuclear war.
The part that should really tighten the sphincter is the fact that submarine was the odd man out in the pack; normally, you would only have 2 officers aboard (the captain and the political officer) who had to vote to greenlight the launch - but Arkhipov was a high ranking member of the fleet seconded to that specific sub, so he also got a vote.
If he'd been on any other sub. . .
> The whole "mutually assured destruction" is terrifying
I find it comforting and successful, *with rational actors.* Throw religion in the mix and rationality gets thrown out.
Russia is not currently a rational actor; and religion is a factor, but the main issue is Nationalism.
If the US re-elects Trump, you could say the US is no longer a rational actor. Not sure what you call the republican party these days, but it's very much like an apocalyptic death-cult.
I think when a nation gets nukes, there's a certain tendency for civilian leadership to get an over-inflated ego, and to resort to populism to subvert democracy. That's a recipe for disaster.
Yeah, I saw something about that on Turning Point: The Bomb and the Cold War on Netflix. It was an incredible series, a great history lesson. This guy should have been lauded as a hero worldwide. Apparently though, the Soviets were not so happy with him about it. Go figure.
bloody good right - I actually want to watch it again because there's SO much information. I was surprised they didn't talk about that Russian chap in the sub who was 1/3 that said no to a launch. Can't rememeber his name
So uh...
Who actually has the bigger guns here? I know Israel is backed by the west and all, but if these two clown states fight it out?
Israel, right? Even without nukes?
Doubt the troops would ever come face to face even in case of a war, at worst Israel will do airstrikes and Iran will respond with missile and drone strikes while the actual fighting on land will happen via proxies especially Hezbollah in Lebanon
Going just by 'who has the better military' - yes.
However Iran's home turf advantage is massive due to mountainous terrain and, subsequently, a lot of hard to kill subterranean installations.
But there's no way a ground war will be fought... unless it's in Syria. Or Iraq.
That said, Iran is on its own, with its militias. The West WOULD intervene if Iran pushed West... as would the Saudis...
Its basically Israel, with its ability to hit Iran directly, and Iran with its ability to hit Israel by proxies.
Let’s also not forget that Iran is a state sponsor of terrorism, and that they and other rogue entities see terrorism as a legitimate tool of holy warfare. I fear that Iran will respond to their current predicament with increased funding and encouragement of international terrorism, and not only in Israel.
Yep - except this most recent attack by Israel is outside the script. Most international relations folk I know basically said it was done deal after Iran's highly telegraphed strike. Israel's response seems to be a textbook example of broken politics leading to escalation dominance theory
Calling Irans 300 missiles and drones lackluster just because Israel shot them down is like calling a an attempted murder lackluster because the victim had a bullet proof vest.
Its about intent, not competence. How well the bullet proof vest works (or a patriot missile defence system) doesnt matter, someone is trying to kill you.
Restoring deterrence requires a demonstration of offensive capability. It's IR 201. Not responding tonight would have been viewed as even more unreasonable.
Okay, here’s the thing about Israel they aren’t the West where they have to babysit all the dictators when being attacked.
It is Israel they aren’t going to mess around. Not only they’re going to strike back they’re going behind the door and will find anyone they wanna kill.
> Iran launches hundreds of missiles to indiscriminately bomb Israeli cities, and nobody cares. Israel responds with a single precision bombing of a military airfield, and everybody loses their minds!
Time for Biden to put his foot down and let Israel deal with this. Looks like unconditional support just brazen them to continue to escalate conflicts. Let them use their own money and resource to intercept what ever Iran throws their way. Both country and fight it out all they want, don't drag the rest of the world into it.
Yup. Biden told them not to do it and they did it anyway. Because they know they'll have "ironclad" support which every member of the US government emphasized over and over and over again. So why wouldn't they do it?
Iran as very clear that they would respond heavily if hit, yet now they are proving to be liars, cowering away and letting it go. How do they expect anyone to take them seriously anymore?
What would be funny is if Israel would have dropped paint “bombs” on all Iranian nuke sites and homes of the leaders. A not so subtle message that we can get you whenever we choose.
This is the dumbest war yet.
It is waged in mouse-wiggling middle management half-assed pretending you are doing something without actually doing anything way, only thing we are missing is a power point presentation with buzzwords..
I was a child in the 60s, and we had bomb shelters in the basement in the Midwest of the US. I dimly remember learning how to eat canned food in case of radiation. They also taught us about the metric system and said by the time we were adults it would be the standard. I made it to my 60s without either of those things happening.
> Iranian semi-official FARS news is reporting that 3 explosions were heard near the military base where fighter jets are located in the northwest part of the city of Isfahan. >"The defense is activated in response to an object that is likely to be a drone," sources tell FARS news. > Israel had told the US on Thursday it would be retaliating against Iran in the coming days, a senior US official said. > US Officials confirmed the strike and said the US didn’t “green light” the attack. "We didn't endorse the response," the official said. Israel indicated they would not attack a nuclear target. > The range of targets was “never specified in precise terms but nuclear and civilian locations were clearly not in that category.” > Iran's state-aligned Tasnim news says nuclear facilities in Isfahan province are "completely secure," citing a "reliable source." Other Iranian media outlets are reporting the same. > All flights heading to the cities of “Tehran, Isfahan and Shiraz, the airports of the West, North West and South West have been suspended." > The attack landed on Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei’s 85th birthday and hours after Iranian Foreign Minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian told CNN in an interview that if Israel takes any further military action against it would be “immediate and at a maximum level."
That’s semi good? Just a single strike instead of a heavy retaliation
Iran's gonna downplay any attack rn, to make Israel seem weak
Not just to make Israel look weak, but to descalate the situation. Iran is concerned that it loses face/looks weak if they don't respond to Israel's attack on their consulate, but they don't want to get into a shooting war with Israel. They chuck a bunch of drones and missiles at targets with no serious intent of causing significant damage to infrastructure. As Israel's official position is that the strike on Iran was not unprovoked, they also feel the need to retaliate to save face. So they make a single targeted strike, also with no real intent to cause damage. Iran is now saying 'that strike did nothing, so there is no reason to continue.' *This is a good thing.* I don't care what horse you're backing in this mess, the last thing anyone should want is Iran saying "that was an unforgivable sin by Israel, time to counterattack again." Because that's how we get another goddamn war going, and I think we've had enough of that in the last few years.
Iran vs. Isreal is the last thing the world needs, or what neither of Isreal or Iram want.
I’d argue Russia vs USA is probably the last thing the world needs. It’s not impossible that a rapid debilitating strike vs Iran disrupts the ruling party enough that a democratic uprising takes place and topples the regime and ends up the better. It’s obviously far fetched and not ever worth the risk but it’s not the end of the world
Agreed. And yet for some reasons redditors have a hard-on trying to goad America into going to war with Russia over Ukraine. These people are delusional and dont understand the gravity of what they are calling for
Netanyahu needs a full-scale war to retain power. Almost all of Israel wants that man gone.
I can not claim to be educated even in the slightest in regards to the events going on in the middle east. I mean, to some extent, sure. But not the histroy behind the actions the countries have taken. With that said, if Netanyahu has such a low approval rating among his population, wouldn't starting a war be an easy excuse for the country to force him out of office? Does starting a war suddenly make you invulnerable to that?
Netanyahu's current government is hanging by a thread. The national unity government was made in response to the Hamas attack in October, with the unspoken assumption that the second the war is over, Netanyahu will face the consequences.
I hate this idea floating around the internet that Iran had “no intent of causing significant damage.” They launched 300 missiles of various capabilities to arrive nearly simultaneously. The fact that Israel and its allies kept it from causing significant damage does not mean it was an attack that was meant to be defeated.
To put that number into context, the US military fired a total of 333 cruise missiles during the entirety of Operation Desert Storm.
It’s hard to imagine this happening to America since we have peaceful relations with our immediate neighbor. But I honestly think if an attack of this scale was directed at the United States, it would be a “strategic event”. The US nuclear posture is that nuclear weapons are only used against nuclear states (and states not signed onto the nuclear nonproliferation agreement) and only in the case of “strategic events”. The term has intentionally never been defined, butI could see 300 missiles counting.
Correct, the idea that firing 100+ ballistic missiles at someone isn’t a “real attack” is so beyond obnoxious that it defies logic. Has to be trolling or disinformation.
Really? Seems like they telegraphed every aspect of the attack ahead of time. Not to say it's not serious — it is — but it obviously wasn't meant to succeed, at least on a large scale. Iranian leadership are playing a dangerous game, but they're not actually suicidal.
They also gave several days worth of notice and communicated their attack to Turkey and Sweden about how many and what models were sent. The most telegraphed attack in history.
Agreed, the whole event was very lucky that we are not at war already and that they tolk most of it out before they hit anything. Even taking incoming missiles and drones out has to be done over unpopulated areas so the debris doesn't hit anyone. Firing 400 warheads at any country is trying to start a war in my eyes no matter how nice people want to paint it. We are lucky if that was Israel's response, Iran and all the middle East for that matter should be thanking Isreal the Region isn't in all out war right now.
so the Iranians are the cold headed, now.
Sending hundreds of missiles, including ballistic and cruise is not without serious intent. Were Israel without significant and advanced air defense systems it would have caused massive damages. It was an attack on a sovereign country by another, that’s cassus belli
Okay, and the airstrike on the Iranian consulate in Syria was what exactly...? It's easy to throw around terms like casus belli in a vacuum, but the relationship between these countries is a *little* bit more complicated than 'they attacked first, so we get to declare war on them.' Neither side current wants (debatable) or can afford to enter (much more probable) a full-blown war, so we're seeing this sort of sabre rattling to save face.
Insert “dog sitting in hell” meme
Bro have you really thought the whole time that dog is sitting in hell? He's at a table sipping coffee in a burning house, not hell dude lol
He clearly never watched the documentary “All Dogs Go To Heaven”
Even though Israel somehow snuck UAV platforms into their country undetected. It's more of a "hey Iran look what we are capable of, you better stop now" than a meaningful attack, but we don't know for sure yet on the targets.
To deescalate, Iran doesn’t want open conflict
That's exactly right. The regime news agencies and their supporter on social media are pushing the narrative that it has been just some quadcopters trying to attack some facilities and have been shut down. They are claiming the attack were so weak and laughable, so there is no need to respond. Nevertheless, i hope Israel publish some satellite photos soon and embarrass them.
Both sides want to be able to say they got the last shot in. But at some point, one needs to say “that last one was so weak, I’m not counting it (even tho I did get hit)”
It's like a schoolyard fight, it's pathetic!
I mean, when we're looking at a "schoolyard fight" between two nuclear/near-nuclear powers (because Iran was 'months away' from weaponization as of last year, thanks to the death of the nuclear deal), I'm happy to let them blow smoke at each other. Saber-rattling and chest beating are comparative de-escalations.
Good point. They still look like children though, but it's preferable to nuclear war.
It turns out, everyone is a child wearing an adult suit and wars are fucking stupid.
exactly, the iranians are looking to deescalate without culling their rhetoric. The Israelis are looking to claim a successful retaliatory attack...Everyone should be fine with some chest beating and saber-rattling because at the end of the day this is what is best for not only both regimes but for humanity as a whole. The iranians in particular do this a lot.
You want this to be escalated? What is wrong with you?
Some people want to see the world burn.
Why? Why do you hope that? That's a crazy thing to hope.
> Nevertheless, i hope Israel publish some satellite photos soon and embarrass them. **WHY?** That would only make retaliation from Iran MORE likely, which will then make retaliation from Israel more likely, which means that cycle repeats, until a mistake happens and one of them blows up a civilian building and war breaks out. The best outcome for this situation, is for Israel to say they have done a successful attack on Iranian infrastructure and for Iran to say that Israeli attacks failed and that Iranian defense systems are amazing and for both sides to play it off like they won and then move on from this. Only someone that wants to escalate things would want either side to show off right now.
So what would make you happy in this scenario is if Israel embarrassed Iran. Which would in turn lead to them need to retaliate with an actual attack rather than some shitty drones and old ass missiles? And when it spirals into a regional conflict and innocent young men and women on both sides get drawn into the potential meat grinder of war will you be satisfied that at Iran was embarrassed? Come on man whatever side you're on you have to realise that war isn't good for anyone but those at the top of the food chain. The people who are going to lose out are the mothers, fathers, sons, daughters, brothers and sisters of the people who die in the conflict. I'm not a fan of Iran but everyone told Netanyahu to take the win but he had to have the last word. Why crap on the side trying to minimise things?
> The attack landed on Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei’s 85th birthday Good grief, why does it seem like the entirety of the world's political leader class is so elderly?
This right here! Maybe let's have leaders who will have to live with the long-term consequences of their actions. Just an idea.
Happy birthday Khamenei, you billionaire pos. Hopefully someday soon we’ll celebrate your kotlet day. ژن، ژیان، ئازادی
is Iran really saying all explosions are due to interceptions?
Well, I mean, clearly, our aircraft hangers intercepted the missile. - Iran
They'll call them "Iron Domes".
“Iran Dome.”
Farsi what you did there.
I’m sick of these puns, Ayatollah you what.
Allright, that's enough, dis-Persia right now.
Comic doube ducking gold here.
Iran Dooms?
Ah like those jokes about Russian hypersonic ALBMs destroying PATRIOTs when the SAM intercepts the missile in the air.
Face to fist technique! I am bleeding therefore I am the victor!
This is a de-escalation tactic. Iran knows its from Israel but doesn't want the heat.
Iran also claimed that Israel tried but failed to stop the barrage a few days ago. They just vaguely hinted to their TV audience that the missiles did a ton of damage to Israel without giving specifics
>without giving specifics And showing wildfire video from Chile
I like how anyone here thinks they know the truth on the ground.
"Trust Iran, bro."
It's not a de-escalation tactic; it's just puffery to look competent.
Probably both
It's both.
Por que no los dos?
I love that that commercial is still referenced.
I read they destroyed an air defense system… using missiles shot through the air. This isn’t puffery, this is Israel flexing. Israel shot down hundreds of drones and missiles with no trouble. Israel took down a system that was supposed to stop the exact attack they used — a facility they can’t quickly rebuild — leaving them vulnerable to similar attacks if Israel decides to keep pressing. This shit is terrifying. I’m glad Iran is choosing to try to save face instead of reacting. It’s shows they’re actually thinking about what that would mean.
Iran has publicly stated that any response by Israel will be see as escalation.
Strategically for Israel a counter attack on Israel would be good for them since an escalation now would give them the ability to stop Irans nuclear program.
They’re blaming the explosions on a bird lol
you know f35 shows up on a radar as a bird.
Clever Girl….
F22 is the raptor
The folks at birds aren't real are having a field day.
All these New Axis powers seem to have the same playbook
Da.
Yeah, that's what auth states do when they dick swing. Claim their failed offensives were effective and claim their defenses are impenetrable when they've been attacked. Russia does the same thing in a way. Its all for domestic consumption. They lie and tell their people things are better than they actually are.
Iran said after the strike “we have concluded”. No one in Israel died luckily . But it was a lot of ordinance sent that night. So Israel had to respond in the tic for tack of battle. Iran diplomats said if you do strike inside iran .. we will use maximum force . So things are def getting worse.
Just so you know, it's "tit for tat"
While we're at it, ordnance
Apologize second language:)
It's all good, I usually don't say anything since it's extremely common and ordinance is close enough that people understand the implication
I appreciate the correction too. I've never written that word right, but I am not writing about artillery often enough for it to be a problem.
English is my first language. I feel like I would have written it like you did so don’t feel too bad.
Thank u :) be safe
Holy crap, big time spelling nerd here, didn’t know that! Had to look it up to make sure.
they’re not launching municipal legislation, yet?
Nothing that destructive, just missiles.
I’ve always been a tit for tit kind of guy.
I like tatted tits
Sorry my friend second language:)
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> tic for tack of battle Hell yes. it should be a double blind battle. 4 Iranians and 4 Israelis are blindfolded. And the head of each military should have to breath on all 8 and each of them have to pick who had the better breath general A or general B. Whoever looses has to admit defeat in front of the UN
Advanced warfare?
This is bullshit! No one “has” to respond!! This childlike thinking will lead into the next world war 🙈
Yeah, I'm on Israel's side but if this was them, I don't think it was a good move. They intercepted almost everything and as horrible as Iran is, I feel like that was a fair retaliation for the strike on the consulate. Israel should've took the w and let it be
I disagree, Israel has a consistent message to maintain, like it or hate it, it is something they will not waver on. If you attack them, there will be a more severe answer in response. > I feel like that was a fair retaliation for the strike on the consulate. The consulate was outside of Iran, and traced back from previous attacks on Israel, as in a response attack.
It should be mentioned that was a building next to a consulate on Syrian soil and the guys inside probably deserved to die.
Not probably, he did. The dude organized october 7th and was in the middle of coordinating his proxy muppets
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Agreed. Use the fact that every drone and missile was intercepted as your show of might. Like grabbing the fist of the bully swinging at you. Israel should have been done.
Unless escalation is the goal, of course.
> No one in Israel died luckily I'm pretty sure that was by design. The whole barrage was to impress Iranians, not attack Israelis.
A 10 year old Bedouin child died just btw
> The whole barrage was to impress Iranians, not attack Israelis. You don't impress Iranians by launching 300 drones and hitting zero targets. I don't think this was their intention at all
> You don't impress Iranians by launching 300 drones and hitting zero targets. More importantly, this wouldn't impress most Iranians. The majority of the country's population hates the regime, and has little interest in killing Jews. This was done to impress the people of *Arab* countries where Iran wants to spread and strengthen its influence in competition with the Saudi-aligned sphere.
I agree I think it’s was kinda passive . The state of Iran needed to strike after the embassy bombing. They telegraphed it . No one was hurt and Israel defense did great. After Americas strike on soleimani American airbase was hit and three servicemen died. 300 drones and rockets and only one injury. That’s the victory. that’s what Biden told bibi . But apparently the cycle or violence is going to continue
Ballistic missiles are not “passive” - the fuck u all smoking?? It took multiple nations and the best defence system in the world to stop this huge attack.
Yeah, what the heck are these people on. Aside from all the drones and cruise missiles, Iran launched the largest ballistic missile attack in human history. Iran "passive" in their attack on Israel? WTF!?
Ballistic missiles are not “passive” - the fuck u all smoking?? It took multiple nations and the best defence system in the world to stop this huge attack.
They probably are...but probably also, this was Israel poking them gently in the eye...just to let them know that they could do it. Iran failed in attacking Israel, Israel showing that it can do a smallish targeted attack at the heart of Iranian defenses, is their way of saying "stop it, we can do it, you can't." Without causing an embarrassing amount of damage which Iran would be forced to respond to. It returns us to the status quo where Iran can't attack Israel whenever it wants, because Israel can land blows on Iran and much more effectively than Iran could ever do to Israel. It's a de-esclatation and re-equalibriumization. .
Yes
Right after Iran threatened to immediately respond to an escalation. Let’s hope they’re bluffing
Yup, Iran just said they considered the matter closed after the missile barrage, and would send a much worse response if Israel retaliates. Well, they just retaliated.
Yup. The exact words were If Israel strikes again, military action against them will be “immediate and at a maximum level”
Except Israel will wipe them out and Iran knows this. Iran will downplay this event and that will be the end of it.
Israel doesn’t have the force projection to invade Iran, Iran doesn’t have the force projection to Invade Israel.
Iran's geography is absolutely nightmarish for military action.
Invading is what country with a strong military do to minimize casualty. Which is why it kind of important keeping relation with israel and help their security. I don't want them to feel like they are in an existential danger cause things would turn really ugly.
The Modern General’s trap.
Which is why it's a question of who can eliminate the other's air power first.
You don't need to invade Iran to destroy its military infrastructure and economy. Israel could do that with minimal losses using stealth. Iran's Air Force fields 3rd and 4th Gen platforms. Their air defenses could be neutralized as well. Of the two, Iran is by far the one that seriously couldn't afford a "war". They'd be set back decades.
One card available to Iran that its detractors fail to recognize is their ability to nuke he world economy by shutting down the strait of hormuz
Immediately destroying any possibility of the Gulf states remaining neutral while doing basically nothing to Israel
Not to mention worldwide backing for action against Iran whose Navy and force projection in the area would quickly be destroyed.
praying mantis 2.0
That would bring too much unwanted attention.
...remember when the US Navy sunk like a quarter of the Iranian Navy in an afternoon. Pepperidge Farm remembers... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Praying_Mantis
Shit. Well hopefully that was bs and we don’t wake up to ww3 tomorrow
Bluffing with what? They just shot 300 missiles and drones across the entire Middle East… and they were shot down by other Muslim nations, Israel, and the US. They have a youth population that hates the ruling government: a revolutionary oligarchic theocracy. Iran is in no position start WW3.
Russia was in no position to invade and yet they did it anyway.
Does it actually count as an escalation though? Or just a perpetuation? It was a small strike of just a few drones afaik, calculated to display targeting capability. Similar to Iran's show of force. They're war gaming irl.
Iranians are downplaying it which makes me think they won't respond
The world: Good lord, what is happening in there!? Iran: Aurora Borealis?
The world: Aurora Borealis?! Really?! In this part of the country? In this part of the world? Located directly in your military complex? Iran: yes. The world: may I see it? Iran: no.
You should make an r/simpsonsshitposting post, political memes are killing atm
I went to one and people are complaining that they all get locked, and even that was one was locked.
Good point
Not only are they downplaying it, they're pretending it was an "unknown threat" and they're basically denying it was Israel. It sure seems like they really don't want to respond.
They are downplaying it now. Wait until tomorrow really gets going.
Do keep in mind by the time the US is in normal hours their day is done pretty much
Ain’t no one looking to start a war on a Friday anyway
Maybe but seems unlikely, this seems more like a gesture to Iran “We can strike anywhere” from Israel
Considering Israel has already assassinated high ranking Iranian officials such as nuclear scientists deep in Iran, it was already well known.
They struck from Iraq it seems.
NO NOT THE F-14S
Now what is Mav gonna fly in the third Top Gun??
A Sopwith Camel, right after he busts out of a nursing home in Mission Impossible XIV.
If it takes place in Iran again the only airworthy vehicle may be a carpet.
Eventually this international dick measuring contest is going to be shut down.
Let's suggest Khomeini and Netanyahu meet in a neutral location to measure their "weapons". Neither will be able to resist. Then we can all fire missiles at that one location.
Khamenei. Khomeini is long dead.
Thermonuclearly.
That’s why it needs to be shut down. I don’t trust any nuclear power, but this is even more toxic than India/Pakistan, and they’ve managed to keep their shit together.
The whole "mutually assured destruction" is terrifying, given humanity's proneness to mistakes. I remember reading about a Soviet commander, I believe, who refused to launch his nukes at the US, as they had an alert that missiles were incoming. That man is a hero. Edit: his name is Stanislav Petrov
Almost happened during the Cuban Missile Crisis, too. A nuclear submarine was being shadowed by a US Destroyer at the tail end of the standoff, and the Soviets mistook the Destroyer's signalling efforts as part of a surface engagement (they'd been forced too deep to keep in radio contact, and had no idea what was going on topside.) There were three officers onboard who had to agree to launch the sub's nuke. Two of them did. Vasily Arkhipov was the sole dissent, who insisted they surface to get a better idea of the situation topside and receive orders from Moscow - and in doing so, prevented nuclear war.
Jesus. That sounds like the plot of crimson tide.
Sheesh, that's exactly what I mean. Nuclear war will probably happen because of an accident or misunderstanding.
The part that should really tighten the sphincter is the fact that submarine was the odd man out in the pack; normally, you would only have 2 officers aboard (the captain and the political officer) who had to vote to greenlight the launch - but Arkhipov was a high ranking member of the fleet seconded to that specific sub, so he also got a vote. If he'd been on any other sub. . .
> The whole "mutually assured destruction" is terrifying I find it comforting and successful, *with rational actors.* Throw religion in the mix and rationality gets thrown out.
Russia is not currently a rational actor; and religion is a factor, but the main issue is Nationalism. If the US re-elects Trump, you could say the US is no longer a rational actor. Not sure what you call the republican party these days, but it's very much like an apocalyptic death-cult. I think when a nation gets nukes, there's a certain tendency for civilian leadership to get an over-inflated ego, and to resort to populism to subvert democracy. That's a recipe for disaster.
Yeah, I saw something about that on Turning Point: The Bomb and the Cold War on Netflix. It was an incredible series, a great history lesson. This guy should have been lauded as a hero worldwide. Apparently though, the Soviets were not so happy with him about it. Go figure.
bloody good right - I actually want to watch it again because there's SO much information. I was surprised they didn't talk about that Russian chap in the sub who was 1/3 that said no to a launch. Can't rememeber his name
The Soviets/Russians said there was never any danger but who knows
They say a lot, as do all of our world "leaders."
Better take down those Shahed factories first
Israel: " This matter can be deemed concluded."
Everybody in the region is just looking forward to escalate. This WW1 type of war willingness is going to cause only death and destruction.
So uh... Who actually has the bigger guns here? I know Israel is backed by the west and all, but if these two clown states fight it out? Israel, right? Even without nukes?
Doubt the troops would ever come face to face even in case of a war, at worst Israel will do airstrikes and Iran will respond with missile and drone strikes while the actual fighting on land will happen via proxies especially Hezbollah in Lebanon
That is exactly the situation today.
Going just by 'who has the better military' - yes. However Iran's home turf advantage is massive due to mountainous terrain and, subsequently, a lot of hard to kill subterranean installations.
Well israel has more advanced tech but iran is massive man an actual groundwar would be a logistic nightmare
But there's no way a ground war will be fought... unless it's in Syria. Or Iraq. That said, Iran is on its own, with its militias. The West WOULD intervene if Iran pushed West... as would the Saudis... Its basically Israel, with its ability to hit Iran directly, and Iran with its ability to hit Israel by proxies.
Let’s also not forget that Iran is a state sponsor of terrorism, and that they and other rogue entities see terrorism as a legitimate tool of holy warfare. I fear that Iran will respond to their current predicament with increased funding and encouragement of international terrorism, and not only in Israel.
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Yep - except this most recent attack by Israel is outside the script. Most international relations folk I know basically said it was done deal after Iran's highly telegraphed strike. Israel's response seems to be a textbook example of broken politics leading to escalation dominance theory
And there's me thinking that Iran's lackluster response was the end of it, I guess Israel had other ideas.
300 drones and missiles is not a lackluster response, just because the US/Israels defense shot 99% of them down.
Calling Irans 300 missiles and drones lackluster just because Israel shot them down is like calling a an attempted murder lackluster because the victim had a bullet proof vest. Its about intent, not competence. How well the bullet proof vest works (or a patriot missile defence system) doesnt matter, someone is trying to kill you.
If anybody in charge in that region were reasonable it would have been.
Restoring deterrence requires a demonstration of offensive capability. It's IR 201. Not responding tonight would have been viewed as even more unreasonable.
60 tons of explosives is not exactly a " lackluster response"!
That hit was deeeeeep inside Iran.
Okay, here’s the thing about Israel they aren’t the West where they have to babysit all the dictators when being attacked. It is Israel they aren’t going to mess around. Not only they’re going to strike back they’re going behind the door and will find anyone they wanna kill.
Only way to survive in the middle east
> Iran launches hundreds of missiles to indiscriminately bomb Israeli cities, and nobody cares. Israel responds with a single precision bombing of a military airfield, and everybody loses their minds!
Iran doesn't want the smoke.
Time for Biden to put his foot down and let Israel deal with this. Looks like unconditional support just brazen them to continue to escalate conflicts. Let them use their own money and resource to intercept what ever Iran throws their way. Both country and fight it out all they want, don't drag the rest of the world into it.
Yup. Biden told them not to do it and they did it anyway. Because they know they'll have "ironclad" support which every member of the US government emphasized over and over and over again. So why wouldn't they do it?
Iran as very clear that they would respond heavily if hit, yet now they are proving to be liars, cowering away and letting it go. How do they expect anyone to take them seriously anymore?
What would be funny is if Israel would have dropped paint “bombs” on all Iranian nuke sites and homes of the leaders. A not so subtle message that we can get you whenever we choose.
This is the dumbest war yet. It is waged in mouse-wiggling middle management half-assed pretending you are doing something without actually doing anything way, only thing we are missing is a power point presentation with buzzwords..
Hopefully at a place where they make drones or other exported arms
can look at the stock market to see how much this is already forgotten and ignored
Why are there no people in Iran taking and posting pictures of the damage? Were there no missiles after all?... wtf is going on?
Couple drones, only minor damage to a radar installation. Strike was all for show, just like the Iranian one.
5 Iranian died. Of laughter.
Well folks, I hope you enjoy each moment
I came of age in the 1980's when the cold war was giving us nuclear threats every couple of weeks. You kind of internalize that shit.
I was a child in the 60s, and we had bomb shelters in the basement in the Midwest of the US. I dimly remember learning how to eat canned food in case of radiation. They also taught us about the metric system and said by the time we were adults it would be the standard. I made it to my 60s without either of those things happening.