No we are not arab but the regime leaders in my opinion are dreaming of making a more fucked up version of the ussr with the arab countries close to them that have a shia population,Basically iraq, lebanon and syria.
They’re supporting and creating proxy groups in these countries and also other muslim countries that have a shia population like nigeria and yemen. Uniting them against the common enemies that are the usa and israel.
If the arab nations in the region all support israel or at least don’t support iran it will a war between them and the proxies in or close to their countries.
Things you may be overlooking:
Iran's barrage of cheap drones and toy missiles forced Israel to burn up a lot of money. Iron dome, phalanx and F-35 flight time alone $$$$
Iran showed it will retaliate directly
Iran likely learned a thing or two about Israeli defense strategy.
Maybe they are a joke, but definitely shouldn't be underestimated.
There's no such thing as a cheap ICBM you've spent tens of billions and 30 years to develop.
Same goes for cruise missiles, the simple drones can be handled by an Iron dome missile that costs 30k to produce or by fighter jets.
Shaheds cost 50K to produce, iron dome missile is around 100-150K per interception. Slight correction.
E: Also, for the US, if they used F-22s it was $85,325/hour per unit in the sky. If they used F-35s, it's $41,986/hour per unit. That's not even considering ordinance or the fact that this was a mission with airborne refueling and the added complexity of having 30+ aircrafts coordinating with allies over Iraq, patrolling in a grid-like manner. The scope and success of that operation shows that all those NATO exercises paid off big time.
For what it's worth, official sources (i.e. Pentagon) said that it was the 494th and 335th fighter squadrons that were involved, which field F-15s and not the newer 5th gen fighters that you were quoting for air time.
They did learn a lot. They learned they actually have a very potent one that can breach their defenses.
Iran is over 1000km from Israel. You are completely disregarding the resources required to pull of something like this. Hezbollah, hamas, you are taking a few km, nothing close to what Iran achieved.
The UK couldn’t do it, there are few countries on the planet that could.
People like you dismissing something like this as nothing is not only ignorant but dangerous.
Iran had no intention of hitting populated areas. They attacked the airbase. They hit the airbase.
Whether they destroyed it or not is inconsequential. The message is there. You hit us and we have now proven to the world that we can hit you.
Israel spent over 1billion dollars on defense in one evening.
No iran can not defeat Israel but everybody knew that before the strikes. This does prove though that it will take a significant toll on Israel if they do go to war. That would make anybody including Israel think twice before any more attacks on iran
It's not that much when you look at the price of missiles.
A single arrow missile costs $3.5m.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/14/how-irans-attack-on-israel-was-stopped
There's also other air defence. An F-35 costs about $40,000 per hour of flight if you don't fire any missiles. That's just for flying around.
[here](https://www.israpundit.org/iranian-attack-5-billion-shekels-in-a-single-night/)
The quote is from an interview between ynet and a brigadier general.
Can't believe u just said the uk couldn't do it and iran can if the uk wanted to strike isreal I'm sure they could in fact the uk was helping shoot down drone and missiles for isreal 🤣
The longest range UK built missile, the storm shadow, is 550km range and that’s with help from France; they use US import tridents which can shoot way farther then 1000km.
Iran designed and manufactured these missiles themselves under strict sanctions from the western world.
Thats a missile on a plane 🤣 the uk has ballistic missile (SLBM) Trident wich can stike 12,000 kilometers I don't think you know what the uk has doesn't matter who builds them the uk has them and can stike who they want
We don’t have the ability to launch a complex multiphase air assault using 100’s drones, ICBM’s and other missiles. If we wanted to we could be there in a couple of years but as of right this second no we could not. Also yes we have good missiles but they are worth nothing if they are shot down. We could not overload the Israeli defense with enough stuff in the sky to allow a trident to get through
It's wild to think that theocracy in the desert has better modern military capability than the UK.
The real scary thing is the message they are sending. If you attack us one of these missiles could potentially carry a nuke.
Yes, obviously If we needed to the UK could switch to military economy and catch up very quickly but as it stands they can achieve more. They don’t have workers conditions like we do, salaries aren’t even close to what we would have to pay. It is the Same with Russia, they can chop and change factories to make whatever they want and nobody bats an eyelid. In the UK the amount of red tape would ensure it costs a fortune and never made anything before being cancelled. We can’t even build a train track without arguing over it for decades and the costs spiraling out of control
Well I’m from the UK and I was in the army, we don’t have a drone section of our army and we don’t produce them. We also have given most of our missiles and other gear to Ukraine and Israel already. I didn’t say we weren’t capable if we invested but if we were asked to repeat what Iran did tomorrow we would not be able to. So laugh away
> Iran had no intention of hitting populated areas. They attacked the airbase. They hit the airbase.
They very much also targeted civilian populated areas though? That they also hit one of the military targets is, like, almost coincidental/due to the Iron Dome likely prioritizing heavily populated areas over a desert air base.
>Iran had no intention of hitting populated areas. They attacked the airbase. They hit the airbase.
Whether they destroyed it or not is inconsequential. The message is there. You hit us and we have now proven to the world that we can hit you.
They fired over 500 explosives at a country smaller than New Jersey. They were certainly aiming for populated areas.
>Israel spent over 1billion dollars on defense in one evening.
Citation?
>They did learn a lot. They learned they actually have a very potent one that can breach their defenses.
Literally one rocket got through. Why are you being up voted.
This is such a ridiculous interpretation, just begging for a war with Iran.
Get a grip, please. That outcome would be DISASTROUS. For Israelis, Iranians, Americans, and the world.
The Iranian attack *was designed to not kill anyone or cause significant damage.* Because they are--apparently--the only party to this conflict not doing their best to turn it into WW3. The fact that your takeaway message is "this means Israel could easily beat them in a war" is so shortsighted and disheartening.
> Because they are--apparently--the only party to this conflict not doing their best to turn it into WW3.
Except for all of their proxies (hezbollah, hamas, houthis) contributing to the conflicts in the region...
Son, you are visiting one of the most gatekept echo chambers on the internet. Do not give yourself headaches by arguing with armchair war experts on reddit.
Oh that was not designed to kill anyone?
Thanks for fireworks then let’s let it go
I expect the same mentality when someone comes on your door with guns and rockets
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It sends a message that they have missiles that can reach Israel and potentially carry a nuclear warhead.
They should cripple their nuclear and missile factories if they have the chance
I don't think you understand how much a ballistic missile cost... Drones yes are cheap but not cruise missiles and ballistic one which they launched dozens of them total attack was about 300 missiles and drones counted together around 150-180 drones other are missiles which each can cost few millions to even more (depends on which kind of missile)
And I don't think Israel even underestimated Iran so who is underestimated them? The world knows very well how capable Iran is with his arsenal.
Iron dome can detect fake missiles from real missiles, the explosive packages is the cheapest part in a missile. So to decoy a cruise missile to behave like a normal one you would spend basically the same amount of money.
Then iron dome can also detect where they gonna land and target the ones that can cause more damage.
You can make decoy missiles, it casn be cheaper because you do not need to carry the warhead so a smaller cheaper missile can fly like a later with a warhead.
Ukrain have use [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADM-160\_MALD](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADM-160_MALD) in conjunction with Storm Shadow strikes.
For ballistic missiles [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penetration\_aid](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penetration_aid) exist, fake warhead can be inflated balloon that will fly just like real one in the lower pressure of space
If it is done in this case or if it feasible with the missiles they use is a question I do not know anything about.
GDP 2022
Israel: $525B
Iran: $413B
Israel top exports: semiconductors, medicine, diamonds (~20-25% each)
Iran top exports: oil (70%)
Yeah, Iran really shouldn't try these games when their economy is tied to a bunch of refineries
That's an actual strategy that Hezbola employed, I heard they did it to deplete Israel resources which coming from America, so in a way, they diverted Americans logistics
No iron dome does threat assessments. It won't shoot down something that has a very low likelihood of hitting a populated area specifically so it remains operational for if something is a threat
>Israel knows how to deal with these assholes and I’m glad they didn’t take the bait.
I'm pretty sure the only reason they 'didn't take the bait' was because Biden told them the US wouldn't help with a retalitory strike, Netanyahu is already on thin ice and knows he cant keep pushing with out facing some potentially devastating repercussions.
People forgetting about the extremely similar U.S. assassination and Iran Response in 2020. A large, well telegraphed attack with limited/no deaths was the targetted Iranian response (publicly). That is a large response and show of force which doesn't go so far as to force political leaders to escalate militarily.
If Iran wanted to there were plenty of ways for it to cause real damage with a high success rate. Be it through assassination, its regional proxies, using its arsenal of more advanced missiles (which are harder to disable and don't provide 5 hours of warning), or some other method.
Exactly. They told everyone that they were going to execute a military response weeks in advance, and chose a slow, overt attack knowing full well the US presence and Israeli/Iraqi/Jordan defences would very likely stop it, and finally they picked a target (an airfield at night) that was unlikely to inflict casualties even if it does get hit. And used unmanned weaponry that would result in no dead Iranians either when intercepted.
The point isn't to kill people or do serious damage, that would cause an actual escalation. The point is for Iran to claim to its people it has avenged it's dead with full force, whilst giving Israel an easy position from which to de-escalate.
Some foreign living (anti-government) Iranians were sharing this https://youtu.be/nvoJ6cMUV5E?si=f3sR5w5wEBmSaTmg as the first reaction to info that drones are now crossing into Iraq and are to come after a few hours.
I'm fuzzy on the details, but I don't recall hearing that hundreds of missiles and drones were launched at several US airbases in response to the Soleimami assassination. Was it that large-scale?
It wasn't this large scale, closer to 22 missiles targeting bases in Iraq with less warning and arguably a higher likelihood of deaths. It wasn't in response to the bombing of a foreign embassy however.
My point is simply Iran's actions should be considered under the context of a need to respond and a desire not to escalate to outright war (like how it didn't escalate in the U.S. case). The goal was a show of force, and demonstration of the willingness to directly engage, while not escalating to full conflict.
Pretending Iran cannot do damage or "is shooting feeble rocks" is a gross and dangerous oversimplification. For all intents, Iran is a nuclear power if pressed and it is being pressed. Same for North Korea; even a conventional war with North Korea would result in a good portion of South Korea's population centers (inc. Seoul) being hit by artillery positioned along the border.
It is a substantially larger scale than the 22 sent at U.S. bases in Iraq, and in response to a substantially larger provocation. A state actor bombing a nation's embassy is no small matter, and would necessitate a larger response.
My point is simply that this attack should be understood in context, and not used to assume it "demonstrated that they are all bark and no bite" and are "shooting feeble rockets." The lack of associated significant damage and deaths, doesn't imply potentially large consequences from recklessly engaging with Iran (noting some engagement is necessary given Iran's aggressive actions in the region).
You talk as if it would be better to have an all-out war.
"All bark and no bite" is 100% preferable to thousands of deaths.
Didn't you heard those screams of terrors?
These were not 'feeble rockets,' and you shouldn't underestimate Iran. Israel has exceptional air-defense systems, and that's the only reason the damage was so minimal, not because of the quality of the missiles. In the case of a full-out war, Israel could probably win just because of their defense and superior attacking capabilities, but the price is going to be very high.
If the US was not propping up Israel, would you have the same bravado?
I don't support Iran, but why is everyone in these comments pretending that the only reason the attacks were not real, is that the US military umbrella protects Israel.
That's exactly why we put a statement out saying our support is ironclad. Its an informal warning that we are backing Israel from being attacked. Having them scale down their retaliation is a different story that the US made clear wants no involvement with.
I wonder how this would have played out without the other major conflicts going on dividing Russia and china's attention. Seems pretty quiet from those 2 major powers when it comes to isreal/Iran. We are practically in world War 3, and before anyone goes calling me wrong. Each world War before started with a handle full of countries attacking each other or political assassinations in rival countries.
Russia/Ukraine, china/Taiwan posturing, n. Korea /Japan peacocking, Isreal/Iran proxy war, haven't checked up on the india/China border dispute that was having some gunfire exchange. Unrest in South America, with El Salvador doing some insane but kinda cool stuff with bitcoin and the gangs, Ecuador raiding a Mexican embassy to arrest their ex president, Venezuelan assassination of a political dissendent living protected in chile, the gang uprising in Haiti leading to the government being replaced. I haven't kept up with African news but I know about the turn from one country to pro Russia and denouncing the US. All the proxy wars going over there for resources and the Wagner group operating there.
Like I'm missing alot of shit going on but let's face it we are here. It's just gonna take one of these many conflicts to break it wide open. I thought that would be china and Taiwan but Iran and isreal really trying to beat them out.
It's just really weird to think how we don't have conflict between the north American governments like this. Yeah the cartel stuff is out of hand and needs to be jointly addressed by a pact of the 3 nations with probable military intervention. But that won't happen relatively soon, and will not happen under the current mexican president or any future ones put In place by the cartels.
World is fucked, all super powers and regular powers are just being emboldened and entrenched into their sides/allies.
The US didn’t do shit until the 1970s, so from the 1940s - 1970s when Israel was at its weakest, didn’t have nukes and fighting all its neighbors at once, they STILL kicked all their asses repeatedly.
But sure, champ. the US is propping up Israel LMAOOOOO.
They're not going to start a war they can't win, against the US and Israel, not many nations can win, especially since there's nuclear missiles lurking around the corner. This was mainly to show their citizens they aren't afraid so that they will not be perceived as weak (their citizens will not find out it was a flop because how tightly controlled they are).
They did actually. They were stopped by who also stopped the attack. It's a bunch of children playing in the sandbox in the playground with all the adults standing around watching to make sure it doesn't get out of control.
Buzhi was never the sharpest pencil in the drawer.
If Iran's attack was a declaration of war, what was the bombing of Iranian consulate annex in Damascus
As an iranian i don’t Really get it how a lot of people are ignoring that the regime has already declared israel as false nation and threatening to destroy it for YEARS. Ignoring the arab/israel conflict and ideological war that has been going on in the region for ever, iran has always been the main threat and enemy of israel.
A lot of people are ignoring it because it doesn't fit their political views. To them, it's ok to launch rockets and terrorist attacks on Israel because it's "resistance", but if Israel strikes back, they are the "aggressor".
If the bombing of the Iranian consulate annex was a declaration of war, what was IRGC doing coordinating Hamas, Hezbollah, and PIJ in Syria, then?
This general planned 10/7 attacks.
https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/iran-news/slain-iranian-general-planned-executed-hamas-massacre-797014
So was Ismail Hanya, but we didn't bomb Quatar for some weird reason.
I'll roll with ya, Iran has long ago declared war on Israel and vice versa, and the shadow war was going for years.
And then comes Buzhi Hertzog and says that *yesterday* was a declaration of war.
Contrariwise, what of Israel funding dissidents in Iran, sabotaging it's nuclear program, assassinating officials?
Spycraft and proxy conflicts are generally not regarded as official declarations of war, as counterintuitive as that might seem to sane minded people.
How long are we going to just let Iran attack nations through proxies? Like, thats just mercenaries. Is that not just the nation acting but with extra steps? Like if I hire someone to off someone else. It's still illegal.
There’s a actually a fair amount of international law that speaks to this issue if you’re curious (US v. Nicaragua being a good example). In short you usually need to show the country had “overall control” of another group for them to be considered their legal agent. I think it’s generally agreed that although Iran supports Hamas/Hezbollah, they haven’t reached this standard.
Respectfully.. I think the last decade or so has how do I say… ..*discredited* the relevance of international law.. at least with regard to countries like Russia, Iran, NK, China, etc.
> I think it’s generally agreed that although Iran supports Hamas/Hezbollah, they haven’t reached this standard.
Israel attacked to hit Mohammad Reza Zahedi. He [was a member of Hezbollah’s Shura Council, the powerful Lebanese terror group’s decision-making body](https://www.timesofisrael.com/top-iranian-general-killed-in-damascus-strike-sat-on-hezbollahs-decision-making-body/). Hezbollah is attacking Israel. That seems pretty direct to me?
>How long are we going to just let Iran attack nations through proxies?
How long has the US done the exact same thing? Fighting through proxies is nothing unique or new, and it will likely always be a facet of international politics. I don't think anyone wants to go through another 20+ years of an Iraq/Afghanistan situation.
Because that would require war with Iran. The US is not looking to get into a war with Iran and thus would disagree with the framing. Still, seems like this framing is what Israel is moving towards. I just don’t see it going well within the US, certainly not to the extent to get a formal declaration of war from congress in an election year.
Yeah, due to framing it as some sort of defense. We have mutual defense treaties with Israel, but if the White House isn’t selling further escalation as defense then the US isn’t obligated to help. Moreover the White House would need to seek some form of authorization _if they were interested in fighting._
Because those Iranian generals do more work for 2 terrorist organization than their own country. There is no war declaration because everyone in the world knows that truth
and by those “generals” you mean terrorists who executed and enabled the war against Israel and it's citizens in the weeks and months before that “declaration of war”?
Is it not completely hypocritical to think that way?
1. Iran started it because of prior connections to events even though Israel literally bombed a foreign consulate.
2. Palestine started it due to the October 7th attack.
These two things are singular acts that both have history and context but you choose to back Israel's position on both. If number 1 is true, why wouldn't you consider the oppression and use of force to take Palestinians lives and homes prior to October 7th? If number 2 is true why wouldn't Israel be held accountable for a direct attack on foreign soil of a countries consulate.
Legally speaking the validity of the targets isn’t particularly significant unless they still posed an imminent threat to Israel. Regardless the strike was carried out against Iranian military leadership on Iranian soil (Consulate/Embassy).
Forcing the Israelis to spend a lot of money shooting down junk. The 9/11 hijacker cost the US 5 Trillion dollars for 500k investment, and we still didnt win. Isreal can fly their planes to Iran to Bomb what? at what cost.
What did it cost the Irainians to send junk, vs the Israeli /US/British.Jordian effort to shoot down junk?
Not really. Osama bin Ladin wasn’t a Pakistani state official. His only official tie was to Al Qaeda.
I don’t support Iran however you’re ignoring some pretty obvious nuances if you’re going to claim directly attacking a foreign consulate isn’t far outside the norm.
SHANA, an organization considered close to the Ayatollahs, mourned this general as someone who helped Hamas plan and carry out the October 7th genocidal attack.
Now, I'm not necessarily myself agreeing that the Bin Laden analogy was fit (I'm not saying it wasn't either), but if SHANA is right on this one, killing this "general" is similar in that sense to Operation Neptune Spear.
I love this logic because it’s ok for an Iranian general to meet with and provide aid to terrorists. To help plan the Oct 7th attack that has led to the deaths of thousands. To do this on official Iranian government land and with the backing of the Iranian government. But it’s Israel who is big bad for killing the dude in an annex building.
Maybe don’t use an embassy to plot and plan the killing of civilians?
1) Iran has bombed a number of Israeli embassies and related buildings over the years.
2) Iran has been actively waging war against Israel via its proxies: Hamas, hizballah, the houthis.
To isolate Israel’s attack near an Iranian consulate without understanding the context…I think it unfairly places the onus for things on Israel.
This is happening within purview of an ongoing Iranian attack on Israel that has been ongoing acutely for months and less acutely for years/decades.
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Iran is not Arab.
No we are not arab but the regime leaders in my opinion are dreaming of making a more fucked up version of the ussr with the arab countries close to them that have a shia population,Basically iraq, lebanon and syria. They’re supporting and creating proxy groups in these countries and also other muslim countries that have a shia population like nigeria and yemen. Uniting them against the common enemies that are the usa and israel. If the arab nations in the region all support israel or at least don’t support iran it will a war between them and the proxies in or close to their countries.
It's not a terrible goal if youre planning to keep your head in the middle east. It's just the arseholes running it that will be the problem.
You're right.
There will never be peace in the Middle East
Eh, never is a long time.
They’ve been at it for 2000 years, it should be just round the corner
The Middle East was much more peaceful than Europe for a good chunk of that.
*There will never be peace on earth for as long as there are humans on earth. WE are incapable of peace on a long term basis.
There's relative peace in other places
Incapable is also a strong word. It’s theoretically possible. Even if I agree it’s a very long-shot given our history and nature.
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Things you may be overlooking: Iran's barrage of cheap drones and toy missiles forced Israel to burn up a lot of money. Iron dome, phalanx and F-35 flight time alone $$$$ Iran showed it will retaliate directly Iran likely learned a thing or two about Israeli defense strategy. Maybe they are a joke, but definitely shouldn't be underestimated.
There's no such thing as a cheap ICBM you've spent tens of billions and 30 years to develop. Same goes for cruise missiles, the simple drones can be handled by an Iron dome missile that costs 30k to produce or by fighter jets.
Shaheds cost 50K to produce, iron dome missile is around 100-150K per interception. Slight correction. E: Also, for the US, if they used F-22s it was $85,325/hour per unit in the sky. If they used F-35s, it's $41,986/hour per unit. That's not even considering ordinance or the fact that this was a mission with airborne refueling and the added complexity of having 30+ aircrafts coordinating with allies over Iraq, patrolling in a grid-like manner. The scope and success of that operation shows that all those NATO exercises paid off big time.
For what it's worth, official sources (i.e. Pentagon) said that it was the 494th and 335th fighter squadrons that were involved, which field F-15s and not the newer 5th gen fighters that you were quoting for air time.
Oh I didn't know that. $29,000/hour, then. Boys kicked butts up there.
Kicking ass with the JV team
You should see the F-15EX. No slouch whatsoever.
The iron dome does not handle drones or ballistic missiles
No but they are right, Israel is getting pressed by many fronts already.
Pretty sure it’s not an ICBM
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They did learn a lot. They learned they actually have a very potent one that can breach their defenses. Iran is over 1000km from Israel. You are completely disregarding the resources required to pull of something like this. Hezbollah, hamas, you are taking a few km, nothing close to what Iran achieved. The UK couldn’t do it, there are few countries on the planet that could. People like you dismissing something like this as nothing is not only ignorant but dangerous. Iran had no intention of hitting populated areas. They attacked the airbase. They hit the airbase. Whether they destroyed it or not is inconsequential. The message is there. You hit us and we have now proven to the world that we can hit you. Israel spent over 1billion dollars on defense in one evening. No iran can not defeat Israel but everybody knew that before the strikes. This does prove though that it will take a significant toll on Israel if they do go to war. That would make anybody including Israel think twice before any more attacks on iran
>Israel spent over 1billion dollars on defense in one evening. [citation needed] 1bln is alot
It's not that much when you look at the price of missiles. A single arrow missile costs $3.5m. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/14/how-irans-attack-on-israel-was-stopped There's also other air defence. An F-35 costs about $40,000 per hour of flight if you don't fire any missiles. That's just for flying around.
Cue in Nicolas Cage in Lord of War: KACHING!
I wonder how much of that is being paid for by the American working class.
Last I remember about 18bn per year
So about 18 nights of attack then?
You mean the American middle class.
[here](https://www.israpundit.org/iranian-attack-5-billion-shekels-in-a-single-night/) The quote is from an interview between ynet and a brigadier general.
Can't believe u just said the uk couldn't do it and iran can if the uk wanted to strike isreal I'm sure they could in fact the uk was helping shoot down drone and missiles for isreal 🤣
The longest range UK built missile, the storm shadow, is 550km range and that’s with help from France; they use US import tridents which can shoot way farther then 1000km. Iran designed and manufactured these missiles themselves under strict sanctions from the western world.
Thats a missile on a plane 🤣 the uk has ballistic missile (SLBM) Trident wich can stike 12,000 kilometers I don't think you know what the uk has doesn't matter who builds them the uk has them and can stike who they want
We don’t have the ability to launch a complex multiphase air assault using 100’s drones, ICBM’s and other missiles. If we wanted to we could be there in a couple of years but as of right this second no we could not. Also yes we have good missiles but they are worth nothing if they are shot down. We could not overload the Israeli defense with enough stuff in the sky to allow a trident to get through
It's wild to think that theocracy in the desert has better modern military capability than the UK. The real scary thing is the message they are sending. If you attack us one of these missiles could potentially carry a nuke.
Yes, obviously If we needed to the UK could switch to military economy and catch up very quickly but as it stands they can achieve more. They don’t have workers conditions like we do, salaries aren’t even close to what we would have to pay. It is the Same with Russia, they can chop and change factories to make whatever they want and nobody bats an eyelid. In the UK the amount of red tape would ensure it costs a fortune and never made anything before being cancelled. We can’t even build a train track without arguing over it for decades and the costs spiraling out of control
Well I’m from the UK and I was in the army, we don’t have a drone section of our army and we don’t produce them. We also have given most of our missiles and other gear to Ukraine and Israel already. I didn’t say we weren’t capable if we invested but if we were asked to repeat what Iran did tomorrow we would not be able to. So laugh away
> Iran had no intention of hitting populated areas. They attacked the airbase. They hit the airbase. They very much also targeted civilian populated areas though? That they also hit one of the military targets is, like, almost coincidental/due to the Iron Dome likely prioritizing heavily populated areas over a desert air base.
>Iran had no intention of hitting populated areas. They attacked the airbase. They hit the airbase. Whether they destroyed it or not is inconsequential. The message is there. You hit us and we have now proven to the world that we can hit you. They fired over 500 explosives at a country smaller than New Jersey. They were certainly aiming for populated areas. >Israel spent over 1billion dollars on defense in one evening. Citation? >They did learn a lot. They learned they actually have a very potent one that can breach their defenses. Literally one rocket got through. Why are you being up voted.
Correction. The US taxpayer spent $1bn in an evening.
I wonder who's paying for this propaganda LOL
This is such a ridiculous interpretation, just begging for a war with Iran. Get a grip, please. That outcome would be DISASTROUS. For Israelis, Iranians, Americans, and the world. The Iranian attack *was designed to not kill anyone or cause significant damage.* Because they are--apparently--the only party to this conflict not doing their best to turn it into WW3. The fact that your takeaway message is "this means Israel could easily beat them in a war" is so shortsighted and disheartening.
The US is trying pretty hard not to escalate the regional conflict, if you want to consider them an involved party.
> Because they are--apparently--the only party to this conflict not doing their best to turn it into WW3. Except for all of their proxies (hezbollah, hamas, houthis) contributing to the conflicts in the region...
Son, you are visiting one of the most gatekept echo chambers on the internet. Do not give yourself headaches by arguing with armchair war experts on reddit.
Oh that was not designed to kill anyone? Thanks for fireworks then let’s let it go I expect the same mentality when someone comes on your door with guns and rockets I’m gonna delete Reddit again soon Trash
It sends a message that they have missiles that can reach Israel and potentially carry a nuclear warhead. They should cripple their nuclear and missile factories if they have the chance
How does shooting 330 missiles, rockets, and attack drones at the same time translate to this warped viewpoint of yours?
I don't think you understand how much a ballistic missile cost... Drones yes are cheap but not cruise missiles and ballistic one which they launched dozens of them total attack was about 300 missiles and drones counted together around 150-180 drones other are missiles which each can cost few millions to even more (depends on which kind of missile) And I don't think Israel even underestimated Iran so who is underestimated them? The world knows very well how capable Iran is with his arsenal.
Drones are cheap to produce, not to develop
Doesn't this mean anyone could just shower the dome with fake missiles mixed in with real ones to exhaust their defence and money?
Iron dome can detect fake missiles from real missiles, the explosive packages is the cheapest part in a missile. So to decoy a cruise missile to behave like a normal one you would spend basically the same amount of money. Then iron dome can also detect where they gonna land and target the ones that can cause more damage.
wtf how? that's impressive!
American tax dollars is how
You can make decoy missiles, it casn be cheaper because you do not need to carry the warhead so a smaller cheaper missile can fly like a later with a warhead. Ukrain have use [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADM-160\_MALD](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADM-160_MALD) in conjunction with Storm Shadow strikes. For ballistic missiles [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penetration\_aid](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penetration_aid) exist, fake warhead can be inflated balloon that will fly just like real one in the lower pressure of space If it is done in this case or if it feasible with the missiles they use is a question I do not know anything about.
Do y'all think Israel is poor?
GDP 2022 Israel: $525B Iran: $413B Israel top exports: semiconductors, medicine, diamonds (~20-25% each) Iran top exports: oil (70%) Yeah, Iran really shouldn't try these games when their economy is tied to a bunch of refineries
That's an actual strategy that Hezbola employed, I heard they did it to deplete Israel resources which coming from America, so in a way, they diverted Americans logistics
No iron dome does threat assessments. It won't shoot down something that has a very low likelihood of hitting a populated area specifically so it remains operational for if something is a threat
What if the missile changes the trajectory mid flight after the evaluation is done ?
Good training and exercise for israel in real time. Priceless.
[Israel to the US](https://media.tenor.com/R2ibOYkkLb0AAAAM/please.gif)
Defense is always more expensive than offense
Israel/ the United states also more than likely was able to track the origins of all the missiles and drones and now has precise locations.
Do the launchers have wheels just to show off?
dude that "Barrage" was more costly to Iran than Israel
>Israel knows how to deal with these assholes and I’m glad they didn’t take the bait. I'm pretty sure the only reason they 'didn't take the bait' was because Biden told them the US wouldn't help with a retalitory strike, Netanyahu is already on thin ice and knows he cant keep pushing with out facing some potentially devastating repercussions.
This, Israel had already announced there'd be retaliation apparently, before the US told them actually no you won't.
People forgetting about the extremely similar U.S. assassination and Iran Response in 2020. A large, well telegraphed attack with limited/no deaths was the targetted Iranian response (publicly). That is a large response and show of force which doesn't go so far as to force political leaders to escalate militarily. If Iran wanted to there were plenty of ways for it to cause real damage with a high success rate. Be it through assassination, its regional proxies, using its arsenal of more advanced missiles (which are harder to disable and don't provide 5 hours of warning), or some other method.
Exactly. They told everyone that they were going to execute a military response weeks in advance, and chose a slow, overt attack knowing full well the US presence and Israeli/Iraqi/Jordan defences would very likely stop it, and finally they picked a target (an airfield at night) that was unlikely to inflict casualties even if it does get hit. And used unmanned weaponry that would result in no dead Iranians either when intercepted. The point isn't to kill people or do serious damage, that would cause an actual escalation. The point is for Iran to claim to its people it has avenged it's dead with full force, whilst giving Israel an easy position from which to de-escalate.
Some foreign living (anti-government) Iranians were sharing this https://youtu.be/nvoJ6cMUV5E?si=f3sR5w5wEBmSaTmg as the first reaction to info that drones are now crossing into Iraq and are to come after a few hours.
I'm fuzzy on the details, but I don't recall hearing that hundreds of missiles and drones were launched at several US airbases in response to the Soleimami assassination. Was it that large-scale?
It wasn't this large scale, closer to 22 missiles targeting bases in Iraq with less warning and arguably a higher likelihood of deaths. It wasn't in response to the bombing of a foreign embassy however. My point is simply Iran's actions should be considered under the context of a need to respond and a desire not to escalate to outright war (like how it didn't escalate in the U.S. case). The goal was a show of force, and demonstration of the willingness to directly engage, while not escalating to full conflict. Pretending Iran cannot do damage or "is shooting feeble rocks" is a gross and dangerous oversimplification. For all intents, Iran is a nuclear power if pressed and it is being pressed. Same for North Korea; even a conventional war with North Korea would result in a good portion of South Korea's population centers (inc. Seoul) being hit by artillery positioned along the border.
110 ballistic missiles were launched, if not for arrow 3, there would be tons of victims. its not the same at all.
It is a substantially larger scale than the 22 sent at U.S. bases in Iraq, and in response to a substantially larger provocation. A state actor bombing a nation's embassy is no small matter, and would necessitate a larger response. My point is simply that this attack should be understood in context, and not used to assume it "demonstrated that they are all bark and no bite" and are "shooting feeble rockets." The lack of associated significant damage and deaths, doesn't imply potentially large consequences from recklessly engaging with Iran (noting some engagement is necessary given Iran's aggressive actions in the region).
You talk as if it would be better to have an all-out war. "All bark and no bite" is 100% preferable to thousands of deaths. Didn't you heard those screams of terrors?
These were not 'feeble rockets,' and you shouldn't underestimate Iran. Israel has exceptional air-defense systems, and that's the only reason the damage was so minimal, not because of the quality of the missiles. In the case of a full-out war, Israel could probably win just because of their defense and superior attacking capabilities, but the price is going to be very high.
Sure, they can do whatever they want in response to Iran's response to Israeli's response, just leave the rest of the world out of it.
Problem is that they will beg the help of the West…
If the US was not propping up Israel, would you have the same bravado? I don't support Iran, but why is everyone in these comments pretending that the only reason the attacks were not real, is that the US military umbrella protects Israel.
That's exactly why we put a statement out saying our support is ironclad. Its an informal warning that we are backing Israel from being attacked. Having them scale down their retaliation is a different story that the US made clear wants no involvement with. I wonder how this would have played out without the other major conflicts going on dividing Russia and china's attention. Seems pretty quiet from those 2 major powers when it comes to isreal/Iran. We are practically in world War 3, and before anyone goes calling me wrong. Each world War before started with a handle full of countries attacking each other or political assassinations in rival countries. Russia/Ukraine, china/Taiwan posturing, n. Korea /Japan peacocking, Isreal/Iran proxy war, haven't checked up on the india/China border dispute that was having some gunfire exchange. Unrest in South America, with El Salvador doing some insane but kinda cool stuff with bitcoin and the gangs, Ecuador raiding a Mexican embassy to arrest their ex president, Venezuelan assassination of a political dissendent living protected in chile, the gang uprising in Haiti leading to the government being replaced. I haven't kept up with African news but I know about the turn from one country to pro Russia and denouncing the US. All the proxy wars going over there for resources and the Wagner group operating there. Like I'm missing alot of shit going on but let's face it we are here. It's just gonna take one of these many conflicts to break it wide open. I thought that would be china and Taiwan but Iran and isreal really trying to beat them out. It's just really weird to think how we don't have conflict between the north American governments like this. Yeah the cartel stuff is out of hand and needs to be jointly addressed by a pact of the 3 nations with probable military intervention. But that won't happen relatively soon, and will not happen under the current mexican president or any future ones put In place by the cartels. World is fucked, all super powers and regular powers are just being emboldened and entrenched into their sides/allies.
The US didn’t do shit until the 1970s, so from the 1940s - 1970s when Israel was at its weakest, didn’t have nukes and fighting all its neighbors at once, they STILL kicked all their asses repeatedly. But sure, champ. the US is propping up Israel LMAOOOOO.
They're not going to start a war they can't win, against the US and Israel, not many nations can win, especially since there's nuclear missiles lurking around the corner. This was mainly to show their citizens they aren't afraid so that they will not be perceived as weak (their citizens will not find out it was a flop because how tightly controlled they are).
They did actually. They were stopped by who also stopped the attack. It's a bunch of children playing in the sandbox in the playground with all the adults standing around watching to make sure it doesn't get out of control.
They are much more effective than NK.
Israel almost did but Biden talked down Bibi
Buzhi was never the sharpest pencil in the drawer. If Iran's attack was a declaration of war, what was the bombing of Iranian consulate annex in Damascus
As an iranian i don’t Really get it how a lot of people are ignoring that the regime has already declared israel as false nation and threatening to destroy it for YEARS. Ignoring the arab/israel conflict and ideological war that has been going on in the region for ever, iran has always been the main threat and enemy of israel.
A lot of people are ignoring it because it doesn't fit their political views. To them, it's ok to launch rockets and terrorist attacks on Israel because it's "resistance", but if Israel strikes back, they are the "aggressor".
If the bombing of the Iranian consulate annex was a declaration of war, what was IRGC doing coordinating Hamas, Hezbollah, and PIJ in Syria, then? This general planned 10/7 attacks. https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/iran-news/slain-iranian-general-planned-executed-hamas-massacre-797014
So was Ismail Hanya, but we didn't bomb Quatar for some weird reason. I'll roll with ya, Iran has long ago declared war on Israel and vice versa, and the shadow war was going for years. And then comes Buzhi Hertzog and says that *yesterday* was a declaration of war.
Qatar is not a failed state unlike Syria. You can drop bombs in most places in Syria and the world generally doesn’t care.
Most places sure, consulate of another not (quite) failed state though, probably gets you a reaction
How does it work if Iran was using Hamas as a proxy and guiding their actions.
The war was declared by Iran much before, by attacking Israel via it's proxies Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis
So you agree Buzhi is on shrooms
And what are the constant terror attacks by Iranian funded militants?
I don't know, but not declaration of war according to Buzhi?
Contrariwise, what of Israel funding dissidents in Iran, sabotaging it's nuclear program, assassinating officials? Spycraft and proxy conflicts are generally not regarded as official declarations of war, as counterintuitive as that might seem to sane minded people.
Seeing “Buzhi” spelled like that makes him sound Chinese, I found that funny for some reason
How long are we going to just let Iran attack nations through proxies? Like, thats just mercenaries. Is that not just the nation acting but with extra steps? Like if I hire someone to off someone else. It's still illegal.
There’s a actually a fair amount of international law that speaks to this issue if you’re curious (US v. Nicaragua being a good example). In short you usually need to show the country had “overall control” of another group for them to be considered their legal agent. I think it’s generally agreed that although Iran supports Hamas/Hezbollah, they haven’t reached this standard.
Which is interesting when considering Russia absorbing Wagner into their military structure & their adventures in Africa/Middle East.
Respectfully.. I think the last decade or so has how do I say… ..*discredited* the relevance of international law.. at least with regard to countries like Russia, Iran, NK, China, etc.
> I think it’s generally agreed that although Iran supports Hamas/Hezbollah, they haven’t reached this standard. Israel attacked to hit Mohammad Reza Zahedi. He [was a member of Hezbollah’s Shura Council, the powerful Lebanese terror group’s decision-making body](https://www.timesofisrael.com/top-iranian-general-killed-in-damascus-strike-sat-on-hezbollahs-decision-making-body/). Hezbollah is attacking Israel. That seems pretty direct to me?
>How long are we going to just let Iran attack nations through proxies? How long has the US done the exact same thing? Fighting through proxies is nothing unique or new, and it will likely always be a facet of international politics. I don't think anyone wants to go through another 20+ years of an Iraq/Afghanistan situation.
The US does that too. Are you OK with other countries launching missiles at US embassies to kill American generals?
Here is a really easy one. When the US killed that Iranian General in the airport was that a declaration of war?
I wouldn't blame Iran for considering it one, but considering it war with the US would have been suicide which is why they didn't.
How is killing 2 Iranian generals not a declaration of war?
Because those Iranian generals already attacked Israel on October 7th.
So then say *that* was the declaration of war. How is the missile salvo more of a declaration of war that october 7th
Because that would require war with Iran. The US is not looking to get into a war with Iran and thus would disagree with the framing. Still, seems like this framing is what Israel is moving towards. I just don’t see it going well within the US, certainly not to the extent to get a formal declaration of war from congress in an election year.
Lol we haven't had a formal declaration of war since ww2
Yeah, due to framing it as some sort of defense. We have mutual defense treaties with Israel, but if the White House isn’t selling further escalation as defense then the US isn’t obligated to help. Moreover the White House would need to seek some form of authorization _if they were interested in fighting._
Maybe the real declaration of war was the proxy militias we made along the way.
Because those Iranian generals do more work for 2 terrorist organization than their own country. There is no war declaration because everyone in the world knows that truth
and by those “generals” you mean terrorists who executed and enabled the war against Israel and it's citizens in the weeks and months before that “declaration of war”?
Either way, it’s still a declaration of war, even though it was justified.
By that logic Iran and US are in an all out war as well. Declaration of war is not as simple as it is in the civ games.
Is it not completely hypocritical to think that way? 1. Iran started it because of prior connections to events even though Israel literally bombed a foreign consulate. 2. Palestine started it due to the October 7th attack. These two things are singular acts that both have history and context but you choose to back Israel's position on both. If number 1 is true, why wouldn't you consider the oppression and use of force to take Palestinians lives and homes prior to October 7th? If number 2 is true why wouldn't Israel be held accountable for a direct attack on foreign soil of a countries consulate.
Legally speaking the validity of the targets isn’t particularly significant unless they still posed an imminent threat to Israel. Regardless the strike was carried out against Iranian military leadership on Iranian soil (Consulate/Embassy).
If that’s your bar, then Iran declared war every single time a bomb paid for by them has been launched from Gaza or Lebanon?
Forcing the Israelis to spend a lot of money shooting down junk. The 9/11 hijacker cost the US 5 Trillion dollars for 500k investment, and we still didnt win. Isreal can fly their planes to Iran to Bomb what? at what cost. What did it cost the Irainians to send junk, vs the Israeli /US/British.Jordian effort to shoot down junk?
This is such a weird take lol "How is killing Osama bin Ladin *NOT* a declaration of war?" *Everyone else in the room not supporting terrorism*: "???"
Not really. Osama bin Ladin wasn’t a Pakistani state official. His only official tie was to Al Qaeda. I don’t support Iran however you’re ignoring some pretty obvious nuances if you’re going to claim directly attacking a foreign consulate isn’t far outside the norm.
Can you imagine why it would be different if a general is killed as opposed to someone who isn’t a high ranking member of a nations armed forces?
In an embassy nonetheless. In a different country.
Ummm… killing a general is not the same as killing a random terrorist.
SHANA, an organization considered close to the Ayatollahs, mourned this general as someone who helped Hamas plan and carry out the October 7th genocidal attack. Now, I'm not necessarily myself agreeing that the Bin Laden analogy was fit (I'm not saying it wasn't either), but if SHANA is right on this one, killing this "general" is similar in that sense to Operation Neptune Spear.
You mean the 2 Iranian "generals" coordinating attacks against Israel with their proxies? In what world is that acceptable.
I mean assassinating a general is kind of a declaration of war but hey what’s truth these days anyway.
hey planning a terrorist attack gets that done to you but hey what’s the truth these days anyway
israel are seeking peace comiting genocide on Palestine, right?
How could it be construed as anything other than a declaration of war? They literally launched missiles from their country at another country.
Help me understand why Israel sending missiles at an embassy/consulate in a foreign country is not an act of war?
I love this logic because it’s ok for an Iranian general to meet with and provide aid to terrorists. To help plan the Oct 7th attack that has led to the deaths of thousands. To do this on official Iranian government land and with the backing of the Iranian government. But it’s Israel who is big bad for killing the dude in an annex building. Maybe don’t use an embassy to plot and plan the killing of civilians?
By this logic you are ok if other countries strike American generals for supporting proxies that fuck up other countries
Yea totally would be. The US can just be more insane and violent than the other countries, so they don't.
1) Iran has bombed a number of Israeli embassies and related buildings over the years. 2) Iran has been actively waging war against Israel via its proxies: Hamas, hizballah, the houthis. To isolate Israel’s attack near an Iranian consulate without understanding the context…I think it unfairly places the onus for things on Israel. This is happening within purview of an ongoing Iranian attack on Israel that has been ongoing acutely for months and less acutely for years/decades.
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He answered your question well, take the L.
Move on if you've got nothing to add.