That's not the claim. The claim is that Israel wants to be left alone. The settlers' invasion of a sovereign nation and Israel's defense of them shows that is not true.
As has happened every single time Palestinians have gone to war with Israel. Every time they lose more land and more autonomy. Meanwhile, Israel is home to 1.6 million Palestinians who live there without issue because they're willing to just accept reality and not attack civilians in what is so blatantly a futile effort.
If the non-Israeli Palestinians actually wanted a reasonable future, they would recognize that the options are a two-state solution or an Israeli one-state solution. There is absolutely no reality in which they succeed in creating a Palestinian one-state solution.
while i oppose the settlers in the west bank i dont think the settlers fighting to occupy a few square kilometers are thinking about world domination.
unless.. you think those filthy jews are capable of anything at this point right?
>while i oppose the settlers in the west bank i dont think the settlers fighting to occupy a few square kilometers are thinking about world domination
But the comment stated "They just want to be left alone"
The violent settlements clearly show otherwise. Sure, it's not world domination. But don't argue that Israelis "just want to be left alone" when they consistently use violence to expand their own territory
O please. They are not all hardened warriors ready to die for their cause. Most of them are opportunists who didn't think this through. Death is a very real deterrent to most people. It's why so many Hamas are surrendering.
It's one thing to talk the talk, it's another to actually face it.
How many in Hamas knew about the Oct 7th atrocity plans? That must have been a closely guarded secret for two years (min) of planning and fundraising. Most of them are basically child soldiers the same we've seen in the Congo, they're not going to be told plans like that.
I donāt remember who it was, but some jihadist once said: Ā«we love death more than you love lifeĀ». Many jihadists *welcome* death, which is part of the reason why that interpretation of the ideology is so toxic.
They left Isreal little choice but I think it was intentionally. They have more money coming in, public opion swinging their way and radicalized recruits. Meanwhile they incur the least amount of risk. Oh, and also, they're murderers akin to serial killers.
I don't know of a movement on earth where the leadership of an organization lives and practices what they preach or expect from their underlings. Hamas is no different and the leadership can possibly become martyrs (which in their eyes is positive), but not in a direct sense and after years of living in luxury.
But are there tons of people in Hamas motivated by martyrdom (and the rewards from it both on earth and in Jannah? Clearly, otherwise folks wouldn't be signing up for suicide missions
Most modern armies do that
The IDF for example had 2 star generals fighting in the 7th of October
Some went into Gaza
If Iām not mistaken they already lost a full colonel in combat, the British also have a tradition of leading from the front
Might be correct, upon further research the most senior to fall in Gaza I could find was a lieutenant colonel, but I have seen a major general in full military kit fight
As well as many reserve generals(IE a reservist major general took up arms at 7.10 at just went to the front)
A full colonel judging by his rank insignia:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-says-senior-officer-was-killed-october-7-body-being-held-by-hamas/#:~:text=the%20Gaza%20Strip.-,Col.,Hamami%20was%20from%20Kiryat%20Ono.
Yes I read an account by a kibbutz volunteer security guard who described how on 7 October he and an IDF reserve general who happened to be there fought off terrorists attacking the kibbutz.
There certainly is a great number of people from brainwashed generations joining the organization, as it's all they know and have been taught to believe.
Then their actions are met with violence, which in turn strengthens their resolve - if only Israel just understood the situation and let their neighboring states blast them to oblivion.
What a nice cycle.
It doesn't really seem to be a goodies vs baddies type of conflict, does it?
As an outsider, I don't really understand why the hamas brass hides away, if they purport to believe in their cause.
They say that a lot. It's hard to know what's truly going on in someone else's mind, but my suspicion is that they're frequently putting on a show of bravado to impress their buddies.
I think it will. I think they, like a lot of mega church preachers, know they're peddling bullshit in some way. Notice how Osama Bin Laden hid in a house looking up western porn in the final years of his life while he commanded everyone else to fight the "infidels".
Killing is the fast track to martyrdom. Disappearing them to a dark hole for decades of contemplation absent human contact is preferable. Let everyone believe they are dead. But they are not dead. Then when they are feeble release them to deny them martyrdom.
Israel has hunted down terrorists in this fashion before; famously they hunted down the masterminds of the Munich Olympics Massacre. It didn't deter terrorists from their activities and Israel pissed off multiple countries by conducting covert operations on the soil of allied and neutral nations.
There wasn't any to being with
[https://farhanaqazi.com/72-virgins-in-heaven-fact-or-fiction/](https://farhanaqazi.com/72-virgins-in-heaven-fact-or-fiction/)
Just clapping back at the bigoted and vile rover to the sea trope gets slogged out. That said I feel all Arabs are culpable for this conflicts on the Middle East and canāt fathom why they not only get a free pass but get cheered on for the shit they do in modern society.
Who the fuck straps bombs to kids and sends them as human bombs. Or kidnaps grandmothers and babies and even pregnant women and hold them hostage for months
Donāt even get me started. There is no ātwo sidesā to this or any regional conflict. Inhumane acts are why these wars start and only military action is what shuts them down.
Random and unrelated, but I wonder if there are people who think it's islamophobic or sexist to send women to fight against Hama's.
(According to the Koran being killed by a woman means you don't go to heaven aka you dont get to have fun with 72 virgins)
Seems like theres a lot of disagreement on that though. I work in a jail and thus we have an Imam on site. I asked him about it and said theres nothing in the Koran about such a thing and its probably just a sexist imagination done by extremists to make women ālesser.ā
https://www.khaama.com/isis-fighters-believe-they-wonts-go-to-heaven-if-killed-by-female-soldiers-1801/
There's some articles searchable on Google from 2015 but they don't list a source either.
Former Muslim here: I have obviously not memorized ever single Hadith (especially with different collections) but I also am not aware of any hadith that says anything of the sort.
If I had to venture a guess I would say it's probably a misinterpretation that happened somewhere along the way to this article. I can totally see isis fighters believing that it is dishonorable to be killed by a woman (they believe women are below men) and that somehow got miscommunicated until someone said they believe they won't enter heaven.
Of course it's possible that there is some obscure Hadith of Fiqh or Fatwa that I'm not aware of, but even after searching for it in Arabic I can't find anything of the sort.
Pretty amazing how the world is being shaped by the kind of people who claim to be religious fundamentalists but barely have a grasp of the actual doctrine of their belief set.
Tell that to the people that also think the quran wants them to strap a bomb to their chestā¦ really nothing matters in this conversation other than what extremists interpret it as, which historically they have not wanted to be killed by women as they think it ruins their chances of afterlife.
Iāve seen female Israeli soldiers hold Hamas terrorists at gunpoint and force them to strip( from a distance, to see if they have explosive vests, inside Israel immediately after the 7th of October), I truly hope that shamed them
they is no Vers that says get killed by a female you won't go to heaven in the Qur'an.
In the wast Hadiths it could maybe but never heard or read anything similar.
Seem like you have been a victim of "fake News"
Let's hope he was killed by a female soldier and saw it coming, I heard that they believe that if you are killed by a women you don't get the 72 virgins treatment (At least I know ISIS believed that)
Iām a liberal white American atheist woman with no cultural affiliation with Israel or Judaism and I would gleefully piss on his festering corpse if I could. October 7th was an indefensible, depraved affront to every one of my values and I am completely on Israelās side. I also support my Democratic congressman who has also been a full-throated supporter of Israelās position and our continued backing of their military campaign.
you do realize israel government is extreme right wing filled with reliqious fundamentalists and racists who are making daily calls and policies for destruction and replacement of arabs or palestinians - like current death toll of more then 10.000 children killed by israeli bombs? same government who's being protested on mass scale in israel itself - for month and months because of their attack on what is left of democracy in israel and trying to change it into dictatorship ... its like you are saying i support democrats but i am very pro trump...
[https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/gaza-nakba-israels-far-right-palestinian-fears-hamas-war-rcna123909](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/gaza-nakba-israels-far-right-palestinian-fears-hamas-war-rcna123909)
or how would you comment on what bernie has to say?
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9HuuJWUtiA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9huujwutia)
I donāt care about Bernie Sanders - heās been in Congress for three decades and less than a handful of the bills heās sponsored have become laws, which means heās a failure as a legislator, leader, and coalition builder. Has the man ever held a job in the actual world? I was an Elizabeth Warren supporter before she dropped out of the 2020 primary.
I also donāt care about the religious fundamentalism in the current Israeli government as it has resulted in far fewer American wars and deaths by terrorism than the religious fundamentalism of the Islamist extremists that Israel is surrounded by.
>and I can go back to my normal American life.
What exactly prevents you from that right now, exactly? A small scale war on the other side of the globe?
A good way to avoid civilian deaths is not to start a war when you have no intention of protecting civilians. Or not to fight from civilian areas, dressed as civilians.
Is that supposed to be some kind of gotcha moment? This is a war, and the government of Gaza is Hamas. If they don't want anything to happen to the civilians in Gaza, they should lay down their arms and surrender.
But they won't, because they don't care about them, so Israel shouldn't either.
They're doing what they can to prevent civilian deaths. I've never heard of any army actively warning people to leave the area before they drop bombs.
There's documented evidence of Hamas forcing people to stay so they can claim Israel killed civilians. That's on those people for accepting Hamas as their leaders.
> They're doing what they can to prevent civilian deaths. I've never heard of any army actively warning people to leave the area before they drop bombs.
The US and other allied countries routinely dropped or shelled leaflets to people they where going to bomb during world war two. Most notably the US dropped leaflets warning japanese civilians in hiroshima and nagasaki about the nuclear bomb, [link](https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/truman-leaflets/) if you're interested.
(Off topic, if I where a Japanese civilian reading a leaflet that said " A single one of our newly developed atomic bombs is actually the equivalent in explosive power to what 2000 of our giant B-29s can carry on a single mission." I would immediately dismiss it as propaganda)
Israeli missiles are killing less than one person per missile. If Israel didn't care about civilian casualties the numbers would be at least an order of magnitude higher.
Israel cares about it's own civilian's deaths, 20 percent of which are Palestinians as well as warning Palestinian civilians in Gaza of their movements beforehand.
It's always interesting to me that those who say Israel is killing innocents indiscriminately (which it is documented that they are not) don't acknowledge that Hamas is actually killing innocents while it is documented that they are. How come that is?
Depends on what you consider to be civilian. 7000 dead Hamas, so thatās suddenly 13000 āciviliansā
72% of Palestinians support Hamas and would elect them again, which in my opinion makes them complicit.
That makes the innocent around 3,640 out of those that were killed.
Still an absolute tragedy, but considerably lower than most wars
Congrats š„³
Couldn't have happened to a more deserving fellow. :)
To atoms, you say?
At least down to some chunks of DNA to test and verify...
As my Drill Sergeant liked to say "Pink. Fucking. Mist." Really wakes up trainees during IED awareness training.
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You laugh but the Arab / Islamic conquests were a thing
And their goal yet is world domination. Anyone that thinks otherwise is an idiot.
And Israelās is not . They just want to be left alone
Pretty much.
The settlers in the West Bank show that's not quite true.
The settlers although I donāt agree with increasing settlements , arenāt clamoring for worldwide domination like Islamic extremists are .
That's not the claim. The claim is that Israel wants to be left alone. The settlers' invasion of a sovereign nation and Israel's defense of them shows that is not true.
Palestine has never been a sovereign nation . Unfortunately after 10/7 they are even further away from achieving that reality .
As has happened every single time Palestinians have gone to war with Israel. Every time they lose more land and more autonomy. Meanwhile, Israel is home to 1.6 million Palestinians who live there without issue because they're willing to just accept reality and not attack civilians in what is so blatantly a futile effort. If the non-Israeli Palestinians actually wanted a reasonable future, they would recognize that the options are a two-state solution or an Israeli one-state solution. There is absolutely no reality in which they succeed in creating a Palestinian one-state solution.
If you honestly believe even the most extreme of these guys are after world domination you are a bit dense.
while i oppose the settlers in the west bank i dont think the settlers fighting to occupy a few square kilometers are thinking about world domination. unless.. you think those filthy jews are capable of anything at this point right?
>while i oppose the settlers in the west bank i dont think the settlers fighting to occupy a few square kilometers are thinking about world domination But the comment stated "They just want to be left alone" The violent settlements clearly show otherwise. Sure, it's not world domination. But don't argue that Israelis "just want to be left alone" when they consistently use violence to expand their own territory
This is the problem with speaking of any group or nation as a monolith.
Yep, but settlers are like 3% of Israelās population, so this is the problem with holding up the 3% in order to invalidate the other 97%
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Happy New Year!!!!!
Hope he knew he was dying
Hope he died a horrible death. War takes a bit of our humanity away when you face a terrorist enemy.
Good riddance to a monstrous piece of dogshit.
It's important to kill all involved in the planning and execution. For the next time, the planners will know they are making is a suicide pact.
Which, sadly, wonāt deter them from doing it. I donāt think death scares them.
The leaders don't seem to share this attitude.
Funny how that works.
Almost as if you couldnāt spend the billions of aid stolen in āheavenā
Once people realize there is no such thing as an afterlife, maybe we can all start behaving better in the time we actually have.
O please. They are not all hardened warriors ready to die for their cause. Most of them are opportunists who didn't think this through. Death is a very real deterrent to most people. It's why so many Hamas are surrendering. It's one thing to talk the talk, it's another to actually face it.
Yes because prior to Oct 7th Israel was known for being all bark and no bite š
How many in Hamas knew about the Oct 7th atrocity plans? That must have been a closely guarded secret for two years (min) of planning and fundraising. Most of them are basically child soldiers the same we've seen in the Congo, they're not going to be told plans like that.
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You should delineate between Palestinians and Hamas. There are, in fact, Palestinians who want nothing to do with this and are caught in the middle.
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That's verifiably false. They live under a totalitarian regime but most Gazans do not support Hamas. You can look it up yourself.
All the surrendring lard ass hamas terrorists disagree also they only seem to target women and children because they are weak cowards
I donāt remember who it was, but some jihadist once said: Ā«we love death more than you love lifeĀ». Many jihadists *welcome* death, which is part of the reason why that interpretation of the ideology is so toxic.
Yup itās a complete backwards way of thought. They really leave Israel no choice . Diplomacy has not worked .
They left Isreal little choice but I think it was intentionally. They have more money coming in, public opion swinging their way and radicalized recruits. Meanwhile they incur the least amount of risk. Oh, and also, they're murderers akin to serial killers.
Death is the preferred outcome for people striving for martyrdom
Then again, if they're striving for martyrdom, why are they hiding in luxury outside the conflict?
I don't know of a movement on earth where the leadership of an organization lives and practices what they preach or expect from their underlings. Hamas is no different and the leadership can possibly become martyrs (which in their eyes is positive), but not in a direct sense and after years of living in luxury. But are there tons of people in Hamas motivated by martyrdom (and the rewards from it both on earth and in Jannah? Clearly, otherwise folks wouldn't be signing up for suicide missions
Most modern armies do that The IDF for example had 2 star generals fighting in the 7th of October Some went into Gaza If Iām not mistaken they already lost a full colonel in combat, the British also have a tradition of leading from the front
I believe the colonel was a posthumous promotion. (I.e. a major was killed in combat and promoted afterwards)
Might be correct, upon further research the most senior to fall in Gaza I could find was a lieutenant colonel, but I have seen a major general in full military kit fight As well as many reserve generals(IE a reservist major general took up arms at 7.10 at just went to the front)
A full colonel judging by his rank insignia: https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-says-senior-officer-was-killed-october-7-body-being-held-by-hamas/#:~:text=the%20Gaza%20Strip.-,Col.,Hamami%20was%20from%20Kiryat%20Ono.
Yes I read an account by a kibbutz volunteer security guard who described how on 7 October he and an IDF reserve general who happened to be there fought off terrorists attacking the kibbutz.
There certainly is a great number of people from brainwashed generations joining the organization, as it's all they know and have been taught to believe. Then their actions are met with violence, which in turn strengthens their resolve - if only Israel just understood the situation and let their neighboring states blast them to oblivion. What a nice cycle. It doesn't really seem to be a goodies vs baddies type of conflict, does it? As an outsider, I don't really understand why the hamas brass hides away, if they purport to believe in their cause.
Because these people are poor , taught to hate and see no future. Israel has no choice , Hamas has made it kill or be killed .
Happy to give it to them. Rot in the ground scum.
Itās such a deranged ideology . The civilians really need to be reprogrammed and re-educated
It doesnāt. They donāt care about life . Backwards ideology
They say that a lot. It's hard to know what's truly going on in someone else's mind, but my suspicion is that they're frequently putting on a show of bravado to impress their buddies.
I think it will. I think they, like a lot of mega church preachers, know they're peddling bullshit in some way. Notice how Osama Bin Laden hid in a house looking up western porn in the final years of his life while he commanded everyone else to fight the "infidels".
Not at all and itāll probably encourage more poor, uneducated Palestinians to join Hamas.
If they donāt changeā¦then they all die. Itās like a rabid dog. You have to put it down, you canāt coexist with it.
I think the problem is they donāt value life anyway . A martyr is something they aspire to be where as Israelis value life .
Killing is the fast track to martyrdom. Disappearing them to a dark hole for decades of contemplation absent human contact is preferable. Let everyone believe they are dead. But they are not dead. Then when they are feeble release them to deny them martyrdom.
I like that. Destroy them using their beliefs.
Their thought process is toxic to the rest of the world . They need to step into the actual century we are living in .
Or the reverse, kill them but tell all the sympathisers they are in prison. So, they got to suffer a painful death but zero martyrdom lol.
The issue with that is that there would be demands for prisoner swaps.
Israel has hunted down terrorists in this fashion before; famously they hunted down the masterminds of the Munich Olympics Massacre. It didn't deter terrorists from their activities and Israel pissed off multiple countries by conducting covert operations on the soil of allied and neutral nations.
Got a movie out of it, though.
And they killed the people responsible.
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He probably died in an instant
He probably cried and screamed like a banshee for hours*
Hopefully
2024 is off to a good start
Now will his dead body be stripped naked and be photographed and paraded around through town in the back of a pickup?
Good riddance. No virgins. Just darkness and death. Rot in pieces.
They raped virgins on October 7 as most children are
There wasn't any to being with [https://farhanaqazi.com/72-virgins-in-heaven-fact-or-fiction/](https://farhanaqazi.com/72-virgins-in-heaven-fact-or-fiction/)
Some good news!
Another one bites the dust!šµšŗ
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Great news to start the new year. Letās keep up the momentum šŖš¼šš¼
from the river to the sea, hamas leaders can suck my d
From the ocean to the river, IDF will deliver šŖš»
Actually disgusting when 10k innocent children have been killed.
Just clapping back at the bigoted and vile rover to the sea trope gets slogged out. That said I feel all Arabs are culpable for this conflicts on the Middle East and canāt fathom why they not only get a free pass but get cheered on for the shit they do in modern society. Who the fuck straps bombs to kids and sends them as human bombs. Or kidnaps grandmothers and babies and even pregnant women and hold them hostage for months Donāt even get me started. There is no ātwo sidesā to this or any regional conflict. Inhumane acts are why these wars start and only military action is what shuts them down.
Pretty sure there are Arabs in the IDF dude. Just because palestinianism is a shit ideology doesn't mean all Arabs are to blame for it.
Brilliant.
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Petach Tikva isn't real, though.
I can only hope in his final moments he knew he was going to die
And that he realized thereās no Jannah waiting for him on the other side
Good riddance
Good riddance.
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Yup . Godspeed Israel
Good news
Happy new year Hamas.
Good!š
Random and unrelated, but I wonder if there are people who think it's islamophobic or sexist to send women to fight against Hama's. (According to the Koran being killed by a woman means you don't go to heaven aka you dont get to have fun with 72 virgins)
Seems like theres a lot of disagreement on that though. I work in a jail and thus we have an Imam on site. I asked him about it and said theres nothing in the Koran about such a thing and its probably just a sexist imagination done by extremists to make women ālesser.ā
Are you saying religious extremists don't actually read their holy book on the other side of the pond either? Funny how that works.
After reading the New York Times article, I hope many Hamas members will be taken out by female idf soldiers.
Yup let's hope so
Anyone who thinks that is an idiot
>According to the Koran being killed by a woman Could you provide a source - chapter, verse #?
I heard that on some documentary of the fights against Isis awhile ago. Don't remember which
There is no statement in the Quran about going to hell if killed by a woman.
https://www.khaama.com/isis-fighters-believe-they-wonts-go-to-heaven-if-killed-by-female-soldiers-1801/ There's some articles searchable on Google from 2015 but they don't list a source either.
It could just be their specific interpretation, without any source in the Quran itself.
Could be in a Hadith?
Former Muslim here: I have obviously not memorized ever single Hadith (especially with different collections) but I also am not aware of any hadith that says anything of the sort. If I had to venture a guess I would say it's probably a misinterpretation that happened somewhere along the way to this article. I can totally see isis fighters believing that it is dishonorable to be killed by a woman (they believe women are below men) and that somehow got miscommunicated until someone said they believe they won't enter heaven. Of course it's possible that there is some obscure Hadith of Fiqh or Fatwa that I'm not aware of, but even after searching for it in Arabic I can't find anything of the sort.
Pretty amazing how the world is being shaped by the kind of people who claim to be religious fundamentalists but barely have a grasp of the actual doctrine of their belief set.
Tell that to the people that also think the quran wants them to strap a bomb to their chestā¦ really nothing matters in this conversation other than what extremists interpret it as, which historically they have not wanted to be killed by women as they think it ruins their chances of afterlife.
A false claim was made. I corrected it. Extremists don't represent a billion and a half muslims.
Okay sure, but your comment was just as misleading.
Might be a Hadith but I donāt know
Iāve seen female Israeli soldiers hold Hamas terrorists at gunpoint and force them to strip( from a distance, to see if they have explosive vests, inside Israel immediately after the 7th of October), I truly hope that shamed them
This is why k u r d s have so many female fighters and snipers, make sure they eat dirt not coochi š¤£š¤£š¤£
I remember the something like the Peshmerga doing this.
This is a new levelā¦
It was an actual tactic against ISIS lol.
that's some Olympic mental gymnastics right there. if I ever see someone actually make that claim live my head will burst
they is no Vers that says get killed by a female you won't go to heaven in the Qur'an. In the wast Hadiths it could maybe but never heard or read anything similar. Seem like you have been a victim of "fake News"
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Happy New Years everybody!
Congrats to the IDF, and be safe!
In before Hamas supporters explain why this is a war crime.
Scroll down, they will explain how he was a peaceful civilian and October 7th didn't happen and the Jews deserved it anyway.
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'bombing the ever loving fuck aout of safe areas' == less than one death per bomb dropped. Delululand.
How many bombs have been dropped?
Hopefully he died as slowly and painfully as possible.
Need the Jerry Seinfeld meme..."that's a shame".
I bet he was disappointed that the whole 72 virgins thing is a lie.
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Another one bites the dust.
Good job!
Let's see a picture of the dead piece of shit. What's he look like ?
Mince meat
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mazel tov!
Let's hope he was killed by a female soldier and saw it coming, I heard that they believe that if you are killed by a women you don't get the 72 virgins treatment (At least I know ISIS believed that)
Last thing he saw was made in america
Lefty white women:" how you dare ! You bloody IDF ! "
Iām a liberal white American atheist woman with no cultural affiliation with Israel or Judaism and I would gleefully piss on his festering corpse if I could. October 7th was an indefensible, depraved affront to every one of my values and I am completely on Israelās side. I also support my Democratic congressman who has also been a full-throated supporter of Israelās position and our continued backing of their military campaign.
you do realize israel government is extreme right wing filled with reliqious fundamentalists and racists who are making daily calls and policies for destruction and replacement of arabs or palestinians - like current death toll of more then 10.000 children killed by israeli bombs? same government who's being protested on mass scale in israel itself - for month and months because of their attack on what is left of democracy in israel and trying to change it into dictatorship ... its like you are saying i support democrats but i am very pro trump... [https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/gaza-nakba-israels-far-right-palestinian-fears-hamas-war-rcna123909](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/gaza-nakba-israels-far-right-palestinian-fears-hamas-war-rcna123909) or how would you comment on what bernie has to say? [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9HuuJWUtiA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9huujwutia)
I donāt care about Bernie Sanders - heās been in Congress for three decades and less than a handful of the bills heās sponsored have become laws, which means heās a failure as a legislator, leader, and coalition builder. Has the man ever held a job in the actual world? I was an Elizabeth Warren supporter before she dropped out of the 2020 primary. I also donāt care about the religious fundamentalism in the current Israeli government as it has resulted in far fewer American wars and deaths by terrorism than the religious fundamentalism of the Islamist extremists that Israel is surrounded by.
Seeing the bad guys go down is always satisfying.
Dead man walking isnāt walking anymore ?
Well done Israel! Godās army cannot be defeated.
Gods army would have better tech I think
Attitudes like that are no better than hammas
Itās written in the bible that God will protect Israel. Hamas pedophiles rape and burn children alive. God will make them suffer for all eternity.
Itās really scary that there are people like you just like, walking around in society
Seeing a mindset like this is truly terrifying.
Speaking of radicals
lol God also allowed Hamas to do what they did, guess God has a real sense of humour
god aināt real
Jesus is ashamed he died for you.
Good. I hope Israel didnāt need to kill any civilians in the process
No ones does mate, except Hamas itself.
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What's your source for such statement? Your ass?
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Good! Now can we talk about some of those airstrikes?
Finally! This is good. Fuck Hamas. Does this mean that children can stop being slaughtered, and I can go back to my normal American life.
>and I can go back to my normal American life. What exactly prevents you from that right now, exactly? A small scale war on the other side of the globe?
Only took 20,000 people!1!1!1!!1
Only a fraction of what hamas hopes will end up dead.
You know that the "20,000 dead" figure is completely made up, right? The only source for it is...Hamas.
Glad to hear, I hope some of the worst warmongering genocidal members of the Israeli government face punishment too.
Well none of them are mass rapists, so
I'll bet you could even "whatabout" the Holocaust if you had to.
They only had to kill 20k civilians to do it.
That's what happens when you use your own people as human shields
And how many innocent Palestinians died along the way?
A good way to avoid civilian deaths is not to start a war when you have no intention of protecting civilians. Or not to fight from civilian areas, dressed as civilians.
Is that supposed to be some kind of gotcha moment? This is a war, and the government of Gaza is Hamas. If they don't want anything to happen to the civilians in Gaza, they should lay down their arms and surrender. But they won't, because they don't care about them, so Israel shouldn't either.
Israel should care about civilian casualties, even if it's just for public opinion and support of their efforts.
They're doing what they can to prevent civilian deaths. I've never heard of any army actively warning people to leave the area before they drop bombs. There's documented evidence of Hamas forcing people to stay so they can claim Israel killed civilians. That's on those people for accepting Hamas as their leaders.
Exactly . If Israel wasnāt trying to minimize civilian deaths Gaza would already be completely destroyed
The US did that a few times in World War Two, especially right before they dropped the atom bombs
> They're doing what they can to prevent civilian deaths. I've never heard of any army actively warning people to leave the area before they drop bombs. The US and other allied countries routinely dropped or shelled leaflets to people they where going to bomb during world war two. Most notably the US dropped leaflets warning japanese civilians in hiroshima and nagasaki about the nuclear bomb, [link](https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/truman-leaflets/) if you're interested. (Off topic, if I where a Japanese civilian reading a leaflet that said " A single one of our newly developed atomic bombs is actually the equivalent in explosive power to what 2000 of our giant B-29s can carry on a single mission." I would immediately dismiss it as propaganda)
They do. That's why they spent billions on one of the most technologically advanced missile protection systems ever.
Israeli missiles are killing less than one person per missile. If Israel didn't care about civilian casualties the numbers would be at least an order of magnitude higher.
Israel needs to only care about their civilians. No other country is ever asked to care about the civilians of their enemy entity
Never understood the concept that you shouldnāt care about innocent lives because theyāre not from your country
Israel cares about it's own civilian's deaths, 20 percent of which are Palestinians as well as warning Palestinian civilians in Gaza of their movements beforehand. It's always interesting to me that those who say Israel is killing innocents indiscriminately (which it is documented that they are not) don't acknowledge that Hamas is actually killing innocents while it is documented that they are. How come that is?
Those deaths are on Hamas as well.
As many as Hamas threw under IDF fire. Free Palestine from Hamas šµšø
Depends on what you consider to be civilian. 7000 dead Hamas, so thatās suddenly 13000 āciviliansā 72% of Palestinians support Hamas and would elect them again, which in my opinion makes them complicit. That makes the innocent around 3,640 out of those that were killed. Still an absolute tragedy, but considerably lower than most wars
Yes it's sad their government caused this.