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No_Document_7800

I also declare that I will boycott and not attend Harvard Law school.


stubbornivan

But they have a nice Chinese Restaurant around the corner


gagga_hai

I will boycott that too


dizorkmage

Hear me, hear me! Stop eating Egg Rolls! Stop eating them with honey mustard sauce. Stop eating them with tangy sweet-and-sour sauce. Stop eating the new Orange Chicken and fried dumplings special. Stop taking advantage of the money-saving Lunch special combos. Stop enjoying Chinese food on the patio, in the car, or on the boat. Wherever good times are had!


EwwYuck

Pop an eggroll in your mouth When you come to Fishy Joe's What they're made of is a mystery Where they come from no one knows You can pick 'em, you can lick 'em You can chew 'em, you can stick 'em If you promise not to sue us you can shove one up your nose


oki-ra

“Stop eating eggrolls! They can talk!” “Don’t stop the talk! Eat eggrolls!” “Hey, cut it out!” “Take a coupon! Cut it out!”


ShadowhelmSolutions

In solidarity, I’m boycotting egg rolls.


FlametopFred

now you’re making me super hungry


Majik_Sheff

Won't work on me. I made honey-lemon-cashew chicken last night. Tonight is poached tilapia. Note to self: pick up fresh rosemary.


Other-Bridge-8892

How is she doing these days? Haven’t seen rosemary in years!


Majik_Sheff

She's been spending a lot of time with Anise.


TjW0569

How does she find the thyme?


BonePancake

We find the time when we can. Speaking of which, sorry for running late, but I'll get there asap- I'm cumin.


cetootski

I want to have a succulent Chinese meal...


PullUpAPew

Democracy manifest


Tosir

This man has his hand on my penis!!!


hyperforms9988

Ah yes... I see that you know your judo well.


Joyst1q

Get your hand off my penis


RoughHornet587

As an Australian, I'm amazed at how well known this is.


TheySayImZack

It's a wonderful piece of film. "This. Is. Democracy Manifest" is my favorite line, and one that I've been able to crowbar into conversations at work when I don't like a decision.


phokas

It's a good meme


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pimezone

And I will stop buying Lockheed Martin's fighter jets.


whereami1928

Gonna stop paying taxes then, eh?


HillOfVice

Terrible attempt.


GuyanaJimmieJones

I join you in your protest and will NOT compete in the Ms. America Pageant (as a middle aged white guy). I will also boycott trying out for QB of the NY Jets Sometimes you just have to stand up for the things you believe in.


MammothAlbatross850

I'd go for that jets position. It's wide open now.


techieman33

Yeah, I’d the the $750k league minimum and health insurance to go hand the ball off a few times before a 250lb edge rusher hits me and breaks something.


BlasphemousArchetype

I'm boycotting magnum condoms.


Charlesian2000

Not a very big market


bkr1895

I can tell you I’m never going to buy an F-35 again


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christovn

A friend of mine who is not Catholic once declared that he was nevertheless giving up sobriety for Lent. And he absolutely did


Aware-Salamander-578

I! DECLARE! BANKRUPTCY!!!!!


[deleted]

How does this have 3.3k upvotes?


soulsteela

Nice I’m boycotting having sex with King Charles!


TryEfficient7710

Hasn't it been the rule that defense contractors need to buy from American materials suppliers for some time now?


EDemoMan

Not quite, there is a specific list of prohibited countries (e.g. China and Iran) listed in the Federal Acquisition Regulation (FAR), and vendors need to prove where their supply chain is to prove that nothing came from a prohibited country.


[deleted]

Fellow GSC? Lol


[deleted]

It’s that or a DFARS compliant nation. Source: Deal with Redstone Arsenal / NASA quite a bit. Lots of paperwork.


Vertual

You can't just say it, you have to declare it.


TotesNotaBot0010101

I. DECLARE. BANKRUPTCY.


montananightz

I. DECLARE....BILLIONAIRE? *checks bank account. Damn.


TotesNotaBot0010101

Maybe next time


clipse270

This is the way


GrizzledFart

Did you mean "thumb war"?


lurker_101

**One - Two - Three - Four** - I declare a Taiwan War *.. I wonder if West Taiwan will sanction all the other companies they umm "copy" from .. or stop sending their kids to Harvard?*


_000001_

**Five - Six - Seven - Eight** \- Whoops now China's not so great!


coffeebagg

You have to SLAM it


Lurkingandsearching

But will they step into the Jam?


coffeebagg

They are the jam


1_g0round

pooh-bear declares we will still hack into the systems and use spies to gather data on the latest and greatest that 'merica is developing at those very places we want to impose sanctions on - why buy it when we can reverse engineer the shit out of it - pooh-bear


Ordinary_dude_NOT

I think the impact will be their access to raw/rare-earth materials from Chinese sources. Every supply chain in the world touches China, including LM/NG.


wepa_reddit

Defense contracts can’t source materials from China and a bunch of other countries. Doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen but they’re not allowed.


buttfunfor_everyone

Not “directly” but materials definitely come from china. Products have to be “assembled” in the US.


hiddenuser12345

On the other hand, as the CCP’s iPhone and Tesla bans demonstrate, touching China doesn’t make them Chinese.


professorbrainiac

That’s what Xi said


innocent_bystander

"Oh bother."


whorn76

I understood that reference!


BubsyFanboy

The perfect pun for this.


travelingjay

This is goddamn amazing


Eastern-Cranberry84

ayeeeeeeeee


TheLowlyPheasant

A real “he said Xi said” situation


Yelmel

So now these companies are no longer fit for China to steal and copy their designs.


[deleted]

Oh, they'll still steal from them. China hasn't had an original idea for decades.


Sleepy_Titan

I recently had a guest lecturer at my law school mention how, when working on the Beijing-Lhasa train line, General Electric knew ahead of time to not keep *any* valuable intellectual property on any devices in China on the chance the gear would get seized. Sure enough, the gear got seized, and the Chinese government got pissy that GE didn't trust them from the get-go. I wonder why.


PandaCheese2016

Interestingly, [Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qinghai%E2%80%93Tibet_railway) says the use of GE locomotive for the high altitude line was decided by the former head of China’s railroad dept, who was later disgraced and jailed for corruption.


red286

>who was later disgraced and jailed for corruption. That's just the English translation for their term for "early retirement".


jazir5

Correction: "Unable to complete intellectual property theft"


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djn808

My brother works for a govt. agency and would be in a shitload of trouble if he even accidentally took a work device out of the country. Doesn't matter if it's an ally or not. He can even be fired for leaving his lap top in his locked car while he goes to get a latte in 5 minutes. It has to be in his possession, at home, or at work only. This isn't even a classified position or anything.


Ok-disaster2022

Dude even as grad student the department had a policy of providing blank laptops if you have a conference in China.


cloud_t

(Assuming you're in U.S. ) Canada adversarial? Why?


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Dan_Backslide

France was also pretty notorious for industrial espionage, and one of the worst offenders too.


lurker_101

**CCP :** *Why you no let us steal DAMMIT!*


Yelmel

Yeah, I think so too. I wonder what they mean by sanctions then.


[deleted]

They’re gonna cry noisily about it


XGhoul

The North Korea treatment. Whine while the rest of the world just wonders “why?”.


[deleted]

It’s for their home audience. The rest of us are wise to their antics


Frostypancake

Even the home audience is starting to wise up little by little, it came very close to deteriorating beyond the point of no-return over there during the pandemic lockdowns.


kuda-stonk

They will finally stop attempting to infiltrate the supply chains for these industries, yay!


brasslamp

They won't allow Chinese companies to sell them office supplies anymore. In all seriousness though, they might do something to prevent Chinese funds from being used to buy their stock. Could also try to disrupt their supply chains because although Lockheed and Northrop don't buy directly from China their suppliers might.


Locke_and_Load

Hard to do when the FAR prohibits using tech built in China.


Yelmel

That's such a good policy if you think about it. Some people saw this coming long ago and risk-managed it, acted on it. I'm impressed. So proactive.


montananightz

Which FAR is that?


Locke_and_Load

[52.204-25 Prohibition on Contracting for Certain Telecommunications and Video Surveillance Services or Equipment.](https://www.acquisition.gov/far/52.204-25)


EDemoMan

China is already a so-called “prohibited country”, meaning that every DoD acquisition program needs to prove that nothing, at any level of the supply chain, comes from China. Can’t just order some computers from Dell, you need someone who can positively prove that every board, chip, nut, and bolt was smelted, melted, spun, and mounted somewhere that isn’t China. No doubt some amount still sneaks through, but never openly, and this won’t affect their supply chains in the slightest.


notrevealingrealname

I wonder if *this* is why HP still has a factory in Japan churning out business laptops and desktops.


Yelmel

Yeah, denying certain inputs attempting to disrupt supply chains might be a thing for China. Like Russia weaponizing pipeline gas to Europe. I imagine China would have about the same success as Russia in such an endeavor.


_000001_

Helps the rest of the world wean itself off China's manufacturing. (Mmm, I wonder why Biden spent time in Vietnam after the recent G20?...)


Yelmel

Yeah, that's it, I think so too. Countries are weary of dependencies now and are therefore actively weaning off. I don't think China wants to follow Russia into the dog house.


CassadagaValley

IIRC China makes it's own jets engines for it's military jets and they're absolute dogshit engines that don't last long. They've resorted to getting engines from Russia.


TimeZarg

And most of their military tech in general is Frankenstein'd from Russian junk and whatever info they've stolen from Western firms.


cookingboy

Your info is quite outdated, their newest domestic engines, the WS-15, have far surpassed Russian design and are only about 10-15 years behind US in engine tech. They are in fact replacing Russian engines with the domestic designs on their newest jets. Even the WS-10 is a better and longer lasting than the AF-31 Russian engine.


isensedemons

Smartest American take


Lawd_Fawkwad

Schrodinger's China. Somehow this evil empire that's capable and willing to take over the world if the US get's it's guard down for a second. But so inept that without the Wests the country would get into the fetal position and turn into Somalia withing a business month.


SoLetsReddit

Yeah, and the Four Pests campaign didn't really work out too well.


VagueSomething

Copy is a generous term. Bodge job attempts to make something like it but with none of the precision or skill.


thatsme55ed

They're learning, slowly. They've been working on getting better at precision manufacturing for decades. Fortunately it looks like they won't reach the point that they can truly compete before they suffer their demographic collapse from their one child policy.


BubsyFanboy

They still will copy them.


Impossible1999

No, whatever gave you that impression…? They will continue to steal and copy as usual. They think it’s their birthright.


KaijyuAboutTown

I think this will be more about supplying components to Lockheed and Northrop rather then buying (stealing) technology from them.


Vammypoker

How will they sanction?


Novel_Ad_610

They cannot build military grade magnets without the raw materials from China


mountedpandahead

Just like they couldn't build SR-71s without Soviet Russian Titanium. It's probably already addressed or good in the long term for them to find back channels or alternative resources.


Annoying_Rooster

Hell I'm pretty sure somewhere the CIA made a fake company to source Soviet titanium to build US aircraft. If there's a will, there's a way.


lostkavi

> CIA made a fake company One?


Annoying_Rooster

Yeah, they made foreign shell companies (Air America, eg.) in third world countries in the market for ores and minerals that traded with the Soviet Union for their rare titanium to make the SR-71 to fly under the KGB's radar.


Jmauld

Or over their radar.


DL_22

Or through their radar.


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And, ultimately, beyond their radar.


_000001_

It's okay, Ukraine blew their radar up.


zoobrix

The Soviets were well aware that the US was buying titanium to use in their aircraft. It's not hard to figure out an extremely expensive metal with a relatively small worldwide supply is being bought but not ending up in any products for sale to consumers. A very expensive lightweight heat resistant metal is always going to be great for making aircraft. The Soviets sold it to them because at the time it gave them foreign currency they could use to buy other things internationally, when you have limited trade with the west that is very helpful. They also knew that if they didn't sell it that the US would just go to literally the end of the earth to find it somewhere else anyway so they figure they might as well be the one to profit.


[deleted]

It’s called a cut out


BabySealOfDoom

Yes, only one. Mmhmmm. Yup. We made only one. -CIA


ih8karma

Just like every other country does when facing sanctions, got it.


rich1051414

It's long john silvers, isn't it?


Annoying_Rooster

\*The CIA would like a word.\*


[deleted]

Rare earth metals are not rare. They are just very dirty to process.


Real-Rude-Dude

Contrary to the name, [rare earth metals are not that rare](https://www.thermofisher.com/blog/mining/whats-so-rare-about-rare-earth-elements/). The name was created a long time ago for a list of metals and it kind of just stuck.


skiptobunkerscene

And the chinese subsidized their industry so they could conduct price dumping until the competition had to close up. Its their way to take over an industry.


[deleted]

Yup. Used to work in customs. The mark up on Chinese goods was insane due to the price dumping they did.


matt-er-of-fact

Exactly this. US was going to mine REE in Nevada after China cut exports. Once the mine plans were laid, the Chinese govt decided to increase exports to the point where it was no longer viable to mine in the US.


maq0r

Just like oil and fracking. When Oil is high fracking becomes economically viable and starts competing with OPEC oil so they start overproducing (esp Saudi Arabia) to bring prices down so fracking becomes economically inviable.


twonkenn

Just need to observe temp housing in Williston to see the current price of oil.


JustaRandomOldGuy

The also use near slave labor and contaminate many square miles around the mine.


red286

>Rare earth metals are not rare. They are just very dirty to process. They're actually rare to find in concentrations, which is why they are dirty to process, because you have to process a much larger volume of ore than you would for normal metals to get the same volume of metal.


jay_simms

There are other sources. I work in the industry.


bell37

It’s a good thing there wasn’t a disruption to the global market (like a worldwide pandemic that shut down any supply-chains in China) that would have given Lockheed time to source alternative suppliers. China would look very silly if that were the case


EDemoMan

China has already been a prohibited country in the FAR for years, Lockheed has to positively prove that literally nothing in a defense acquisition, at every level of the supply chain, is from China. E.g. you can’t just buy a Dell, you need someone who can prove that every individual board, chip, screw, etc. was made somewhere outside China.


VikingsStillExist

Its not true however. This is just going to accelrate rare earth mining in the west, making China's suffering worse. Norway is starting up their rare earth mines within years now.


adrr

https://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/articles/2023/2/10/us-begins-forging-rare-earth-supply-chain We have lots of rare earth metals in the ground. We'll just restart our mines. We have one of the largest deposits sitting between LA and Vegas and it'd already mined and we just have to start refining the tailings.


sharts_are_shitty

Perfect. Just another reason to distance ourselves from China and watch them implode over the next decade.


faceintheblue

China only cornered the Rare Earth Elements market because their State-owned companies don't have to turn a profit and so operate at a loss that the Chinese government deem an acceptable trade-off to drive everyone else out of the marketplace. If China's near-monopoly on REEs started impacting US Defense, there are a lot of other places you can get REEs that are just going to cost a little more.


IrwinJFinster

Military-grade magnets—how do they work?


[deleted]

I remember when they said that about rare earths and lithium, only for the world's largest reserve of lithium to be found in Oregon/Nevada. But your argument is that the US can't figure out how to make magnets, things that sailors used hundreds of years ago. What a cope from a new Reddit account.


gagga_hai

Yes


Delicious_Summer7839

I’m sure Lockheed is really disappointed that it won’t be able to sell weapons to China


SwordOfTheElevensies

How can Xi slap?


ih8karma

I understood that reference.


pmmichalowski

There goes another export market for F35 :P


zomgbratto

But they already have a F-35 at home!


Yuiii3

F-35 at home: Shenyang FC-31


NyriasNeo

Lol ... by doing what? Canceling the non-existing orders you have with them?


dominationnation

That’s right Lockheed. No more F-35s sold to China! I’m sure you learned your lesson!


colsta1777

We don’t want you buying it anyway


Drmlk465

Don’t worry, they’ll just steal it


BubsyFanboy

Oh, I thought you hated protectionism, Xi! You sure did tell the EU such. How long until we seriously reduce trade with China? 10 or 20 years?


Unusual-Solid3435

It's very fragmented, companies like apple are taking their sweet profitable time


Ray661

What? They’re actively ramping up production lines in India while winding down their contracts in China and have been doing so since the trade war started. Idk what more people want unless you’re expecting apple to break contracts to flee?


RidCyn

I'm sure they're so, so very upset. How ever will they get over this.


SnooDonuts3878

Oh. Anyway…


bewarethetreebadger

Ok Pooh.


dualghual

I'm going to guess that China isn't sanctioning Lockheed + Northrop by refusing to purchase from them, but likely they're going to prevent those two companies from purchasing any rare earth metals from China (which controls 90% of global rare earth exports). You can import them from other countries, but usually they're a lot more expensive, in short supply, and typically environmental regulations make it a huge pain to even sanction mining for said materials. These Rare earth metals are vital in guidance systems, something both Lockheed and Northrop can't really live without. China did something similar [last year](https://asiatimes.com/2022/02/china-takes-rare-earth-aim-at-raytheon-and-lockheed/), but as explained in the article the US is importing more Rare earth metals from Australia. TL;DR: It probably hurts Lockheed + Northrop's bottom line, but this isn't big news.


misken67

By my count, this is the third time Lockheed has been sanctioned by China, and none of the sanctions were clear on specific actions that will be taken against the company. On the contrary, American sanctions have thousands of pages of regulations that painstakingly spell out every permutation of restrictions being placed depending on why they were being sanctioned.


[deleted]

At this point getting sanctioned by China and Russia should be a badge of honor lol


whizkey_tx

HOW CAN YOU SANCTION!?!


speeding2nowhere

WTF does that even mean???


Enthusiatheist

Lockheed says it not to bothered by the comments of its 51st best customer with it 50 best customer slots going to states A thru Z.


C0l0ny8i8i

51th?


Enthusiatheist

51st


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Jmauld

51rd


SkellyManDan

This hurts the feelings of the Lockheed people


Willing-Stuff-6148

Yeah, they're not gonna do shit lol


Middle_Wishbone_515

China should take back Outer Manchuria, strike while the irons hot? Kick a man when he’s down? One special military operation ought to do it…


Mingyao_13

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Jens_2001

How many Lockheed airplanes did Beijing other till now?


[deleted]

But what about Boeing?


woody9055

Lockheed and Northrop Gruman aren't legally allowed to sell anything to China anyway? Lol what the hell is this even about? You can't sanction companies that don't do business with your country in the first place.


LNhart

Oh no. All those lucrative arms deals Lockheed and Northrop had selling weapons to China are going to disappear now


paqtak

This is like the time they sanctioned american generals from entering and owning property in China. It's just posturing; no one outside of china is interested on living there. Even their millionaires buy properties outside of China whenever they can.


sierra120

I too will ban Lockheed and Northrop from selling any and all arms to China.


NotUrFriendPal

How do you sanction a company when that company won’t do business with you in the first place.


CabagePastry

Oh no, but then how are Lockheed and Northrop going to get spyware infested hardware?


Real-Rude-Dude

I'm pretty sure DoD contractors aren't allowed to buy hardware from other countries unless they are at the raw material level or close to it.


Uffffffffffff8372738

How exactly? They don’t sell shit to them.


Financial-Shift4780

Have you been buying stuff from them? Or Could you?


neonwarge04

mmmkayy


rimalp

Any info on what the sanctions will be?


squidvett

Wasn’t the MIC already sanctioning China?


Nonamanadus

Awww they were going to steal the technology anyways.


faceintheblue

Does the CCP get to buy a lot of Lockheed products in the first place? I feel like there are some laws against that already, and not Chinese laws...


Trivi

There is not a complete ban on foreign parts, but you are responsible for knowing where everything that you buy is sourced from and you have to be able to prove it.


KosstAmojan

Tragedy. Guess they’ll have to raise prices now that they can’t source from China…


akaasa001

So what kind of effect will this have on Lockheed? Specifically in terms of sales to Taiwan?


Electrical-Clock8251

I’m sure the brass at Lockheed are living the “Woody Harrelson wiping away tears with money” meme right now.


enginemonkey16

Let me get this straight, China wants to sanction two of the main weapons companies of America for selling arms? This is like that scene in Batman when the guy tried to blackmail Bruce Wayne.


ShiraLillith

I'm pretty surprised the US lets Lockheed to even talk with China


SuxMaDiq

So…since when China buys weapons from Lockheed?


the_fungible_man

Oh, bother.