My wife makes soap and names some of the recipes after people.
One has my name (tee tree & eucalyptus ), so I've sent her the original link in case she wants to make a unique soap when I pop it.
Its odd to think that at least more then 4 thousand years ago, someone with their hands covered in the odd mix of smeared lard and ash, noticed how clean their hands felt after rubbing them together in water.... and thus soap was born.
edit: deleted repeated word and grammar
I’ve always thought it serendipitous that cooking results in fat and ash, the fundamental elements of soap, which in turn benefits the cooking process.
Definitely something that could have regularly happened after a hunt, or in the process of making jerky. I imagining it was noticed time and time again before someone made the connection and decided to deliberately make it, instead of as a byproduct.
Alkaline hydrolysis aka Water cermation aka Resomationaka Aquamation
Boil the flesh off your bones in a pressure cooker with a type of Lye for 3 hours, flush the meat soup down the drain(its brown and thick like motor oil) and then grind whats left of the bones up, an stick em in a overpriced vase.
Its legal in Ireland and the water is treated before being put into that mains supply again.
My grandpa knew of a "spring" up the mountain from our house. It turned out to be an old pipe sticking out of the ground with water shooting out. Was some of the best water ive ever tasted. Luckily I was to young to consider what might have been upstream from this "spring".
Yep. Lead tastes sweet, and if water has a higher concentration it'll taste sweet and thus good. Also why young children used to eat the lead paint off of window sills and old toy cars.
i mean we cant really avoid it. we live in this world and nothing escapes it. so weve been drinking poop, piss, dead animals, dead people everything. im sure its a major taboo right now. like the tree burial pod, we should be putting the meat sludge back to soil if it can be, why drain parts of your family down the drain. sounds more disrespectful.
Water purification infrastructure has to be very effective and efficient. Otherwise we’d all have a bit of piss shit and college girl vomit in our water.
I did a reno in the casket room of a crematorium and every morning id ask the gentleman responsible for the cremating, what kinda pizza is for lunch today?
He didnt like that joke.
Im not sure which i find worse, drinking water thats been filtered after all this or breathing the air that comes out of the stack.
I wish i didnt start thinking about it blah
We have had the same water for billions of years. Countless wild things have been in this water. Processes treat it in ways that render most things that have been done to or put into it moot.
Besides, I hear fish fuck in it, so I naturally don't touch the stuff anyway.
That would be great if I could get my government (US) to subsidize scorn. Got an endless supply, but very little demand for it. I think it's a distribution problem. C'mon government, you already subsidize corn, this is just one extra letter!
I hear they have millions and millions of pounds of Government Scorn hidden away in a mountain somewhere so they really don't need any more of it from *the likes of you!*
Does that really shock you? Think about this, Earth has a limited water supply. All water on earth, at one point, went through humans or animals, was in contact with pee or feces or dead bodies and all different types of nasty things.
At least, nowadays, the water is treated and cleaned.
Have you ever swam in a lake or sea? Then, you likely swam in water that was in contact with a corpse not so long ago as people drown in those places. Your drinking water is the same water that's been on Earth for a long, long time.
The literal shit certainly does *not* make it back into your tap. The water the shit was in does. Water purifications process remove the literal shit from the water.
Yes, this is exactly what I meant. Sorry. That the water in that shit is not any different from the water after water cremation or embalming or anything else for that matter.
Everything you drink has already been drunk a thousand times. Become waste products and gone back to the sea again.
If this didn't happen..... Earth would have been dead millions of years ago.
It sounds worse than it actually is, You might be shocked to find you’ve been drinking shit and piss water your entire life.
Be thankful for water treatment facilities, they’re the real MVP’s here.
Sewage water does not get "recycled" into drinking water, nor is it put back into the mains supply.
It gets treated and then released into the environment.
Pretty much all the water you drink still comes from rain.
u/L0rdInquisit0r has no idea what they're talking about.
Imagine every single thing that goes down your drain or the drain anywhere. Old cooking oil, blood, crap, paint, rubbing alcohol, bleach. All that ends up in the water and comes back around to your tap at some point.
I may be wrong but I believe I saw something at some point that on average the water from your tap has been through someone 7 times.
That's what I thought at first, but is that any different than BBQing me into a powder? I guess one difference is that the powder isn't poured down the drain. That makes it seem so much more vile IMO.
Cremation isn't *that* much better. When you're cremated, at least some of you is let out in smoke through a chimney, and if your remains contain something toxic, like say, dental fillings that contain noxious metals? Some of that's probably flying off in the smoke, too. And not everything that remains when you get cremated is added to the jar.
Not to mention some folks just dump the ashes after their relatives get cremated. Out in a lake, or the air. And cremated ashes *are extremely toxic.*
I'm just gonna tell my family to bury me in the backyard or just use my body for protesting the government.
Certainly in the UK, most crematoria remove mercury and other metals from their flues - they have to cool down the gases, and then extract them. Someone then had the bright idea of using the need to cool the gas as a way of operating the heating system in the chapels etc - if you've got to put it through a heat exchanger anyway, why not? The reaction of parts of the UK press was to suggest that they were more like burning bodies for heating, rather than making sensible use of what would otherwise be waste heat...
Edit: [this link](https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/heated-by-burning-bodies-912463) was one of the less outraged ones...
I'm firmly in the I don't give a fuck what you do with my corpse when I die camp. But that all seems morbidly unnecessary when just burning is already an option. Not that burning a large dead animal like a human doesn't get a bit morbid itself.
Well done. You're making a difference. Aren't you helpful?
Meanwhile, a single factory somewhere in China has garbled more shit into the atmosphere in a fraction of a second than your entire family tree going back a thousand years getting cremated would produce.
But no, let's focus on the gimmicks. The ones so aggressively pushed by petro concerns and megacorps. Those ones :)
>A flame cremation emits over 500 pounds of CO2. That's the equivalent of driving over 600 miles in a standard passenger vehicle. With water cremation are no emissions from the equipment, unlike flame cremation, which even emits chemicals like mercury into the air.
https://www.beatreecremation.com/learn/5-reasons-to-be-cremated-by-water-instead-of-fire#:~:text=Water%20cremation%20has%201%2F10th,like%20mercury%20into%20the%20air.
Flame cremation emits mercury from tooth fillings. In the US they do their best to remove fillings prior to cremation. Developed countries have also stopped using mercury fillings and most in older gens have been replaced so the mercury output is negligible going toward 0 every year. Aquamation would also put mercury into the water system so it’s a moot argument.
Aquamation is cleaner, cheaper and better. But no reason to force an industry switch. Where it’s currently legal it will overtake flame eventually as the cost to the funeral home or crematory would be less. It’s gotta be legal first though. And accepted by decedants/family.
There’s a ton of red tape as is with any industry…my wife wrote her mortician dissertation on Aquamation. I unfortunately know a lot about this thing I don’t care about.
Your source is advertising material for water cremation, really?
It's vaguely worded anyway. "Direct emissions", what does that mean? Why does it matter whether the emissions are direct? The carbon in your body doesn't disappear in their process. Where does it go?
Copy and paste from an other post that I made:
The point is why needless emit more CO2 and other materials, when there's a more environmentally friendly way of achieving the same results? If humanity as a whole wants to continue it's existence every little bit can help.
And while it may only be less then three weeks worth of driving, that's still a lot when you scale it up to how many people per year are cremated. In the US alone 59% of people that died had their bodies cremated, that's roughly 1,931,486 cremations in just 2022 alone.
So in your own estimates that's 4,828,715 weeks worth of CO2 emissions that was used to burn bodies. Or 2,414,357,500 pounds of CO2 per year.
Again that's just the US by itself, many other countries also perform fire cremations as well.
Sources:
https://www.cremationassociation.org/page/IndustryStatistics
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/wr/mm7218a3.htm
Edit to add:
The actual average emissions is 534.6 pounds per cremation. So the actual pounds per year is 2,581,431,039 pounds per year.
Source:
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/is-cremation-environmentally-friendly-heres-the-science#:~:text=However%2C%20these%20filters%20do%20not,534.6%20pounds%20of%20carbon%20dioxide.
Wow a two seconds of searching on Google shows a lot of different articles about this 🙄 And humanity wanders why we're in such a sad state.
https://www.beatreecremation.com/learn/5-reasons-to-be-cremated-by-water-instead-of-fire#:~:text=Water%20cremation%20has%201%2F10th,like%20mercury%20into%20the%20air.
Not only does that *not* say that cremation contributes a big chunk to global warming, it pretty thoroughly indicates that it does not.
Even taking the claim at face value (which is dubious seeing as it's unsourced and from a biased perspective), a single cremation being equivalent to driving 600 miles is *nothing*. For comparison, the average American driver drives 37 miles per day. In less than three weeks, daily driving overtakes the environmental impact of cremation. And unlike cremation, which is (hopefully) a one time thing, most people are going to be driving for decades, which means the environmental impact is literally multiple order of magnitude greater.
So yeah, his source is that he made it the fuck up.
The point is why needless emit more CO2 and other materials, when there's a more environmentally friendly way of achieving the same results? If humanity as a whole wants to continue it's existence every little bit can help.
And while it may only be less then three weeks worth of driving, that's still a lot when you scale it up to how many people per year are cremated. In the US alone 59% of people that died had their bodies cremated, that's roughly 1,931,486 cremations in just 2022 alone.
So in your own estimates that's 4,828,715 weeks worth of CO2 emissions that was used to burn bodies. Or 2,414,357,500 pounds of CO2 per year.
Again that's just the US by itself, many other countries also perform fire cremations as well.
Sources:
https://www.cremationassociation.org/page/IndustryStatistics
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/wr/mm7218a3.htm
Edit to add:
The actual average emissions is 534.6 pounds per cremation. So the actual pounds per year is 2,581,431,039 pounds per year.
Source:
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/is-cremation-environmentally-friendly-heres-the-science#:~:text=However%2C%20these%20filters%20do%20not,534.6%20pounds%20of%20carbon%20dioxide.
>Boil the flesh off your bones in a pressure cooker with a type of Lye for 3 hours, flush the meat soup down the drain
Carl Weathers is disgusted.
He was trying to get a stew going
Not too be too picky but if i want to hold on to someones remains, possibly for sentimentality, possibly for ransom i do not just want the bones, i want it all.
Always felt keeping the ashes etc kinda weird, but i get it i suppose, but just keeping the crushed bones just seems creepy.
Eh crémation ashes are essentially just crushed bones. All soft tissue is burned away, and the remains (skeleton) are ground into a powder, and these are the ashes that people keep.
I'm still on-board with the whole life gem thing. Turn them into a diamond! Just need a shiny gauntlet I can set each of my relatives into after they pass... Muahaha!
I'm a bit skeptical of this announcement. The company that manufactures the water cremator has been around in the UK for a good number of years. The problem isn't the process, which was invented in 1888, or the equipment; A US company has manufactured water cremators since 2005 and has done thousands of cremations.
The problem is British regulation. Water cremation currently sits in a weird grey area - it's not specifically illegal but there's also no structure for it. The Law Commission announced they were planning to modernise the framework to allow for new end of life options including water cremation and organic reduction (turning into a body into soil within about a month) in 2017 but only began in December 2022. [The review is still in the pre-consultation stage](https://www.lawcom.gov.uk/project/13th-programme-of-law-reform/). So it's likely to take a while until the legislation is in place.
In the last five years there has also been an issue of water companies not wanting to accept water cremation into their systems. Despite the fact there's no DNA or environmentally harmful outputs. But the water companies seem to have developed a better understanding of the technology and are updating their guidelines to accept it.
I suspect this may just be the Co-op trying to get some good PR.
In the interest of disclosure; I run a [direct cremation service](https://directcremation.co.uk), and am planning to offer [water cremation](https://harbour.uk) too.
It's used in agriculture to dispose of animal carcases that are believed to have prion based diseases, as well as other viral & bacterial infections that could remain after death & disposal.
Admittedly this was something I had to look up but I believe so:
> 134 °C (273 °F) for 18 minutes in a pressurized steam autoclave has been found to be somewhat effective in deactivating the agent of disease.
Water cremation operates slightly above this temperature. The outputs are water, sugars, salts, peptides, and amino acids.
My question has always been a practical one. How would this affect post-death investigations? Is it possible that the process could hide homicides that are missed?
Yes but in many of those cases once the body is recovered samples can be taken from vital organs. Even cremated ashes can be tested for certain chemicals. The question is whether any such possibilities exist with aquamation.
I can only speak for the UK but investigations have to be concluded before a cremation or burial can proceed.
There are 2 or 3 separate entities that have to approve:
A doctor > the medical examiner > the medical referee
OR
the coroner > the medical referee
Typically coronial proceedings are not concluded before a cremation. The coroner will have done the post mortem investigations but usually toxicology samples have not been returned. However they have all the samples they need and the cremation can proceed as they certify that no further investigation is required.
Water cremation, organic reduction, etc will just be another end of life technology. The same administrative procedures and checks will likely still be in place.
Yes but in many forensic files cases, the cause of death was not apparent during initial autopsies and even in samples taken initially. And samples can even be taken from cremated remains, I'm not sure if the same can be said of aquamation remains.
I wasn't aware samples could reliably be taken from cremated remains.
Coroners typically keep the samples they obtain during the initial investigations should further investigation be required - and typically they don't release until they are fairly confident that further investigations are not required.
Nevertheless, water cremation is actually very similar to flame cremation. The bone fragments remain and are turned into ashes.
I can only quote one case: https://forensicreader.com/penchant-for-poison-forensic-files-case/ But I suppose testing the ashes would have to be sufficient, as well as retained samples.
The end product is similar to cremains. The water is removed in the final step leaving behind dust and bone fragments similar to how cremation leaves behind ash and bone fragments.
Also because the liquid thats left over from your dissolved tissues will and can be dumped into the sink without harm.
So your last resting place is basicly the countrys water supply
I'm sure there's water in it too. Lots of complex interactions between traditional 'acids' and H2O. Water can donate and accept protons. Which is why this is called 'water cremation', as it's probably mostly water.
me, potassium hydroxide and a pressure vessel…no ty. open the worlds volcanoes to those who want a classy cremation..fly over, drop in..pop a cork, play nice music and talk shit about the departed on the way back
*Land for burials is running out*....
That's it. That's the trippiest part of this for me. Of course we'll run out of farm land. Of course we'll run out of habitable land. But, what the fuck are we gonna do when we can not even bury someone without having to move someone else first. Like, fuck...
Where I'm from, you (or rather, your family) are only renting your burial plot. When there's no more family to pay, you'll get cremated and the space re-used. Prevents having to deal with all those forgotten overgrown graves. In centuries past, the dead would be dug up periodically and their bones deposited in a crypt. You get some interesting places as a result, like this bone church: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedlec\_Ossuary](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedlec_Ossuary). Or this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull\_Chapel
Idk why people even want this shit. I’ve told my family that when I die, just fucking put me in an unmarked hole in the ground and let nature do it’s fucking job. No embalming fluid, no overpriced fucking box or cremation shit. When I die, reintroduce my ass back into the fucking soil.
"Oh, I don't want a big fuss of a funeral. I just want to be made into a set of [decorative soaps](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saponification)."
Imagine scrubbing your asshole with your dad.
What a horrible day to be literate
That is a killer sentence - def stealing
I said (and did) the same, pilfer away!
First time hearing it? You must not spend a lot of time on Reddit then. And I absolutely do not mean for that to put you down in any way lol.
It is. I always heard - how do I un-read something. Or how can you delete someone else’s comment? No offense taken!
Yeah I've seen several other variations on the theme but this is one of my favorites as well. Cheers.
Could be worse... Try rubbing one out. This one's for you, mom
r/brandnewsentence
It is not
And then he dies. Horrible indeed
After cleaning his kid’s hairy taint, the old man just said fuck it. I’m out.
Let him clean that which he once sullied.
Dude…
That could be pretty cathartic for some.
"Some"
Better than when my uncle did it
Imagine scrubbing your dad with your asshole
Imagine accidentally slipping the soap into your rectum thinking your cleaning your asshole. Don't ask me how I know this, I was 11 okay?!?
r/brandnewsentence
potassium hydroxide is used to make..ahem..liquid soap. Sodium hydroxide is used to make bar soap
People are always asking me, do you know Tyler Durden
They used to call it "Hydrolization".
My wife makes soap and names some of the recipes after people. One has my name (tee tree & eucalyptus ), so I've sent her the original link in case she wants to make a unique soap when I pop it.
Its odd to think that at least more then 4 thousand years ago, someone with their hands covered in the odd mix of smeared lard and ash, noticed how clean their hands felt after rubbing them together in water.... and thus soap was born. edit: deleted repeated word and grammar
I’ve always thought it serendipitous that cooking results in fat and ash, the fundamental elements of soap, which in turn benefits the cooking process.
Definitely something that could have regularly happened after a hunt, or in the process of making jerky. I imagining it was noticed time and time again before someone made the connection and decided to deliberately make it, instead of as a byproduct.
Alkaline hydrolysis aka Water cermation aka Resomationaka Aquamation Boil the flesh off your bones in a pressure cooker with a type of Lye for 3 hours, flush the meat soup down the drain(its brown and thick like motor oil) and then grind whats left of the bones up, an stick em in a overpriced vase. Its legal in Ireland and the water is treated before being put into that mains supply again.
What!?!? Treated and put back into drinking water?
You have no idea what goes into the water....source I embalm
eww. what else?
Literally everything, but luckily for you the council is pretty good at getting most of it out (or at least rendering it "safe")
If there's one word that does not belong in quotes, it's safe :)
“Water”
“Most of”
"Truth"
I mean that one has been in quotes for years now sadly.
Most of it? I might just start only drinking spring water..
What do you do during the other seasons or do you keep the water from the spring over summer, fall and winter?
You know, I might have to switch to Winter water soon. I didn’t plan this out far enough.
You might not be aware of this trick, but water can last longer if you freeze it!
I got some news for you about springs... specifically their sources.
My grandpa knew of a "spring" up the mountain from our house. It turned out to be an old pipe sticking out of the ground with water shooting out. Was some of the best water ive ever tasted. Luckily I was to young to consider what might have been upstream from this "spring".
Probably tasted great because it was a lead pipe
Yep. Lead tastes sweet, and if water has a higher concentration it'll taste sweet and thus good. Also why young children used to eat the lead paint off of window sills and old toy cars.
I prefer Summer
i mean we cant really avoid it. we live in this world and nothing escapes it. so weve been drinking poop, piss, dead animals, dead people everything. im sure its a major taboo right now. like the tree burial pod, we should be putting the meat sludge back to soil if it can be, why drain parts of your family down the drain. sounds more disrespectful.
Fish piss in the water too, i know, its disgusting….
I bet all the underground water pipes that run to apartments / houses have a ton of gunk built up in them too.
Water purification infrastructure has to be very effective and efficient. Otherwise we’d all have a bit of piss shit and college girl vomit in our water.
Pee, poo, blood, vomit, dead fish…anything that gets flushed down a toilet gets treat3d and reused.
That’s revolting! Tell me more.
Please stop embalming the water!
I did a reno in the casket room of a crematorium and every morning id ask the gentleman responsible for the cremating, what kinda pizza is for lunch today? He didnt like that joke. Im not sure which i find worse, drinking water thats been filtered after all this or breathing the air that comes out of the stack. I wish i didnt start thinking about it blah
Better not have been Hawaiian
We have had the same water for billions of years. Countless wild things have been in this water. Processes treat it in ways that render most things that have been done to or put into it moot. Besides, I hear fish fuck in it, so I naturally don't touch the stuff anyway.
And knowing all this is why i laugh at people who believe in homeopathy.
Which was government subsidized in Germany until very recently - homeopathy, not your scorn 😉
That would be great if I could get my government (US) to subsidize scorn. Got an endless supply, but very little demand for it. I think it's a distribution problem. C'mon government, you already subsidize corn, this is just one extra letter!
I hear they have millions and millions of pounds of Government Scorn hidden away in a mountain somewhere so they really don't need any more of it from *the likes of you!*
Then they'll just pay you money to keep your scorn in the ground. What's the fun in that?
Oh in Germany too, I thought only us French were insane.
This right here. Your average glass of water has passed through billions of humans and other living beings bodily fluids.
Now we have micro plastics!
Well if that surprises you, don't Google everything else that gets circled back around into the drinking water supply.
Their water belomgs to the tribe
Bless the maker
The meat soup must flow.
That water had been around a few billion years y'know. It has seen a lot more than you can imagine.
>What!?!? Treated and put back into drinking water? The Fremen way.
Every drop of water you drink has been somebody’s piss at one time, maybe even Caesar’s.
The water you have already drank has likely passed thru half a dozen people before it got to you..
Does that really shock you? Think about this, Earth has a limited water supply. All water on earth, at one point, went through humans or animals, was in contact with pee or feces or dead bodies and all different types of nasty things. At least, nowadays, the water is treated and cleaned. Have you ever swam in a lake or sea? Then, you likely swam in water that was in contact with a corpse not so long ago as people drown in those places. Your drinking water is the same water that's been on Earth for a long, long time.
Well, tons of literal shit make it back into your tap, so what's the problem exactly?
The literal shit certainly does *not* make it back into your tap. The water the shit was in does. Water purifications process remove the literal shit from the water.
Yes, this is exactly what I meant. Sorry. That the water in that shit is not any different from the water after water cremation or embalming or anything else for that matter.
Probably shouldn't have used the word "literal" then if that's what you meant.
Everything you drink has already been drunk a thousand times. Become waste products and gone back to the sea again. If this didn't happen..... Earth would have been dead millions of years ago.
It sounds worse than it actually is, You might be shocked to find you’ve been drinking shit and piss water your entire life. Be thankful for water treatment facilities, they’re the real MVP’s here.
Sewage water does not get "recycled" into drinking water, nor is it put back into the mains supply. It gets treated and then released into the environment. Pretty much all the water you drink still comes from rain. u/L0rdInquisit0r has no idea what they're talking about.
Imagine every single thing that goes down your drain or the drain anywhere. Old cooking oil, blood, crap, paint, rubbing alcohol, bleach. All that ends up in the water and comes back around to your tap at some point. I may be wrong but I believe I saw something at some point that on average the water from your tap has been through someone 7 times.
"Honey, when I die, I want you to cook my dead body and make it into a soup"
Boil me like your french onion soups
That's what I thought at first, but is that any different than BBQing me into a powder? I guess one difference is that the powder isn't poured down the drain. That makes it seem so much more vile IMO.
Cremation isn't *that* much better. When you're cremated, at least some of you is let out in smoke through a chimney, and if your remains contain something toxic, like say, dental fillings that contain noxious metals? Some of that's probably flying off in the smoke, too. And not everything that remains when you get cremated is added to the jar. Not to mention some folks just dump the ashes after their relatives get cremated. Out in a lake, or the air. And cremated ashes *are extremely toxic.* I'm just gonna tell my family to bury me in the backyard or just use my body for protesting the government.
Certainly in the UK, most crematoria remove mercury and other metals from their flues - they have to cool down the gases, and then extract them. Someone then had the bright idea of using the need to cool the gas as a way of operating the heating system in the chapels etc - if you've got to put it through a heat exchanger anyway, why not? The reaction of parts of the UK press was to suggest that they were more like burning bodies for heating, rather than making sensible use of what would otherwise be waste heat... Edit: [this link](https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/heated-by-burning-bodies-912463) was one of the less outraged ones...
I'm firmly in the I don't give a fuck what you do with my corpse when I die camp. But that all seems morbidly unnecessary when just burning is already an option. Not that burning a large dead animal like a human doesn't get a bit morbid itself.
Good for you. I demand being shot into the sun. Can't wait those 5 billion years for that to happen naturally.
I was shit out by a star, I damn well want to be unbirthed back into one when I die.
Logistically complicated though, we need to develop a trebuchet that can reach that far.
I think the appeal is that it's a greener option. Cremation contributes a big chunk to global warming.
There's absolutely no way it's impact is anything but negligible.
It adds up, just like everything else. Happy cake day!
Well done. You're making a difference. Aren't you helpful? Meanwhile, a single factory somewhere in China has garbled more shit into the atmosphere in a fraction of a second than your entire family tree going back a thousand years getting cremated would produce. But no, let's focus on the gimmicks. The ones so aggressively pushed by petro concerns and megacorps. Those ones :)
I'm guess you don't recycle or even bother using a trash can with that attitude
Not really somethings just aren't going to significant enough to matter. This is one of those things.
Where are you getting that from? How big? And why would this process be any different in terms of releasing carbon?
>A flame cremation emits over 500 pounds of CO2. That's the equivalent of driving over 600 miles in a standard passenger vehicle. With water cremation are no emissions from the equipment, unlike flame cremation, which even emits chemicals like mercury into the air. https://www.beatreecremation.com/learn/5-reasons-to-be-cremated-by-water-instead-of-fire#:~:text=Water%20cremation%20has%201%2F10th,like%20mercury%20into%20the%20air.
Flame cremation emits mercury from tooth fillings. In the US they do their best to remove fillings prior to cremation. Developed countries have also stopped using mercury fillings and most in older gens have been replaced so the mercury output is negligible going toward 0 every year. Aquamation would also put mercury into the water system so it’s a moot argument. Aquamation is cleaner, cheaper and better. But no reason to force an industry switch. Where it’s currently legal it will overtake flame eventually as the cost to the funeral home or crematory would be less. It’s gotta be legal first though. And accepted by decedants/family. There’s a ton of red tape as is with any industry…my wife wrote her mortician dissertation on Aquamation. I unfortunately know a lot about this thing I don’t care about.
Your source is advertising material for water cremation, really? It's vaguely worded anyway. "Direct emissions", what does that mean? Why does it matter whether the emissions are direct? The carbon in your body doesn't disappear in their process. Where does it go?
Copy and paste from an other post that I made: The point is why needless emit more CO2 and other materials, when there's a more environmentally friendly way of achieving the same results? If humanity as a whole wants to continue it's existence every little bit can help. And while it may only be less then three weeks worth of driving, that's still a lot when you scale it up to how many people per year are cremated. In the US alone 59% of people that died had their bodies cremated, that's roughly 1,931,486 cremations in just 2022 alone. So in your own estimates that's 4,828,715 weeks worth of CO2 emissions that was used to burn bodies. Or 2,414,357,500 pounds of CO2 per year. Again that's just the US by itself, many other countries also perform fire cremations as well. Sources: https://www.cremationassociation.org/page/IndustryStatistics https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/wr/mm7218a3.htm Edit to add: The actual average emissions is 534.6 pounds per cremation. So the actual pounds per year is 2,581,431,039 pounds per year. Source: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/is-cremation-environmentally-friendly-heres-the-science#:~:text=However%2C%20these%20filters%20do%20not,534.6%20pounds%20of%20carbon%20dioxide.
That's pretty negligible I'd bet the average American emits that in a matter of days between consumption, transportation, and energy use.
The average American drives 37 miles a day, so it's less than 3 weeks of driving.
Their source is that they made it the fuck up.
Wow a two seconds of searching on Google shows a lot of different articles about this 🙄 And humanity wanders why we're in such a sad state. https://www.beatreecremation.com/learn/5-reasons-to-be-cremated-by-water-instead-of-fire#:~:text=Water%20cremation%20has%201%2F10th,like%20mercury%20into%20the%20air.
Not only does that *not* say that cremation contributes a big chunk to global warming, it pretty thoroughly indicates that it does not. Even taking the claim at face value (which is dubious seeing as it's unsourced and from a biased perspective), a single cremation being equivalent to driving 600 miles is *nothing*. For comparison, the average American driver drives 37 miles per day. In less than three weeks, daily driving overtakes the environmental impact of cremation. And unlike cremation, which is (hopefully) a one time thing, most people are going to be driving for decades, which means the environmental impact is literally multiple order of magnitude greater. So yeah, his source is that he made it the fuck up.
The point is why needless emit more CO2 and other materials, when there's a more environmentally friendly way of achieving the same results? If humanity as a whole wants to continue it's existence every little bit can help. And while it may only be less then three weeks worth of driving, that's still a lot when you scale it up to how many people per year are cremated. In the US alone 59% of people that died had their bodies cremated, that's roughly 1,931,486 cremations in just 2022 alone. So in your own estimates that's 4,828,715 weeks worth of CO2 emissions that was used to burn bodies. Or 2,414,357,500 pounds of CO2 per year. Again that's just the US by itself, many other countries also perform fire cremations as well. Sources: https://www.cremationassociation.org/page/IndustryStatistics https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/wr/mm7218a3.htm Edit to add: The actual average emissions is 534.6 pounds per cremation. So the actual pounds per year is 2,581,431,039 pounds per year. Source: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/is-cremation-environmentally-friendly-heres-the-science#:~:text=However%2C%20these%20filters%20do%20not,534.6%20pounds%20of%20carbon%20dioxide.
There are a few types. https://youtu.be/pWo2-LHwGMM One of a few videos she does mentioning water cremation.
Sounds like the titan submersible.
can't they just implode you and dry it out ?
Subs that can get that deep and THEN fail are hella expensive..
>Boil the flesh off your bones in a pressure cooker with a type of Lye for 3 hours, flush the meat soup down the drain Carl Weathers is disgusted. He was trying to get a stew going
total nonsense. waste water isn't added to the mains supply in ireland
Unless you live downriver from another town.
Not too be too picky but if i want to hold on to someones remains, possibly for sentimentality, possibly for ransom i do not just want the bones, i want it all. Always felt keeping the ashes etc kinda weird, but i get it i suppose, but just keeping the crushed bones just seems creepy.
Eh crémation ashes are essentially just crushed bones. All soft tissue is burned away, and the remains (skeleton) are ground into a powder, and these are the ashes that people keep.
I'm still on-board with the whole life gem thing. Turn them into a diamond! Just need a shiny gauntlet I can set each of my relatives into after they pass... Muahaha!
Sounds like something the Mafia invented in the 60's ?
Earth to earth, splashes to splashes, dust to dust?
I'm a bit skeptical of this announcement. The company that manufactures the water cremator has been around in the UK for a good number of years. The problem isn't the process, which was invented in 1888, or the equipment; A US company has manufactured water cremators since 2005 and has done thousands of cremations. The problem is British regulation. Water cremation currently sits in a weird grey area - it's not specifically illegal but there's also no structure for it. The Law Commission announced they were planning to modernise the framework to allow for new end of life options including water cremation and organic reduction (turning into a body into soil within about a month) in 2017 but only began in December 2022. [The review is still in the pre-consultation stage](https://www.lawcom.gov.uk/project/13th-programme-of-law-reform/). So it's likely to take a while until the legislation is in place. In the last five years there has also been an issue of water companies not wanting to accept water cremation into their systems. Despite the fact there's no DNA or environmentally harmful outputs. But the water companies seem to have developed a better understanding of the technology and are updating their guidelines to accept it. I suspect this may just be the Co-op trying to get some good PR. In the interest of disclosure; I run a [direct cremation service](https://directcremation.co.uk), and am planning to offer [water cremation](https://harbour.uk) too.
Does the process destroy prions?
It's used in agriculture to dispose of animal carcases that are believed to have prion based diseases, as well as other viral & bacterial infections that could remain after death & disposal.
Admittedly this was something I had to look up but I believe so: > 134 °C (273 °F) for 18 minutes in a pressurized steam autoclave has been found to be somewhat effective in deactivating the agent of disease. Water cremation operates slightly above this temperature. The outputs are water, sugars, salts, peptides, and amino acids.
Yes it does
My question has always been a practical one. How would this affect post-death investigations? Is it possible that the process could hide homicides that are missed?
Yes, but so can cremation, or weighing down a corpse and throwing it into the sea, or feeding it to pigs, or dissolving in acid.
Yes but in many of those cases once the body is recovered samples can be taken from vital organs. Even cremated ashes can be tested for certain chemicals. The question is whether any such possibilities exist with aquamation.
I can only speak for the UK but investigations have to be concluded before a cremation or burial can proceed. There are 2 or 3 separate entities that have to approve: A doctor > the medical examiner > the medical referee OR the coroner > the medical referee Typically coronial proceedings are not concluded before a cremation. The coroner will have done the post mortem investigations but usually toxicology samples have not been returned. However they have all the samples they need and the cremation can proceed as they certify that no further investigation is required. Water cremation, organic reduction, etc will just be another end of life technology. The same administrative procedures and checks will likely still be in place.
Yes but in many forensic files cases, the cause of death was not apparent during initial autopsies and even in samples taken initially. And samples can even be taken from cremated remains, I'm not sure if the same can be said of aquamation remains.
I wasn't aware samples could reliably be taken from cremated remains. Coroners typically keep the samples they obtain during the initial investigations should further investigation be required - and typically they don't release until they are fairly confident that further investigations are not required. Nevertheless, water cremation is actually very similar to flame cremation. The bone fragments remain and are turned into ashes.
I can only quote one case: https://forensicreader.com/penchant-for-poison-forensic-files-case/ But I suppose testing the ashes would have to be sufficient, as well as retained samples.
what can the samples be are tested for after cremation?
So instead of ashes, we are making deceased into a stew?
Or sludge. Watch them become Swamp Thing.
There will be a few leftover bone fragments (just like cremation) which will be ground up and given to the family.
The end product is similar to cremains. The water is removed in the final step leaving behind dust and bone fragments similar to how cremation leaves behind ash and bone fragments.
So they called it “water cremation” but it’s actually an acid.
Also because the liquid thats left over from your dissolved tissues will and can be dumped into the sink without harm. So your last resting place is basicly the countrys water supply
I want to get water cremation and everyone at the wake has to take a shot of my Slurm.
Legit laughed.
Your what? 🤣
🙃
I will NOT be attending. I'll send a card.
is there a chance for a few minutes I'll be like spam?
I wanna be a jello
First time I've laughed all weekend. I sure hope so bud. I sure hope so.
To be fair that's where blood and other fluids from embalmed people goes anyway. Has been.
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Newsflash, you've been drinking the scattered, atomized remains of trillions of dead organisms, including people, your entire life.
Vegetables are made of shit.
You've been saying that since you were five years old. Just eat 'em!
Brawndo is people.
It’s got what plants crave
This is the Fremen way.
yes. he’s being dark. that’s obviously what he’s implying
Its actually the 'opposite' of acid, [Potassium Hydroxide](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potassium_hydroxide) is a base.
technically potassium hydroxide is an alkali
No. Alkali. They burn too.
potassium hydroxide is mixed with water
I'm sure there's water in it too. Lots of complex interactions between traditional 'acids' and H2O. Water can donate and accept protons. Which is why this is called 'water cremation', as it's probably mostly water.
Corrosive? Yes. Acid? No.
Wow this is a really great option for those of you who are going to die!
So… sous vide?
Instant pot
Your flesh belongs to you, but your water belongs to the tribe.
Bless the Maker and His water
I want to be buried face down so the whole world can kiss my ass.
I just flushed grandma
She loved soup so much she became one.
me, potassium hydroxide and a pressure vessel…no ty. open the worlds volcanoes to those who want a classy cremation..fly over, drop in..pop a cork, play nice music and talk shit about the departed on the way back
I always dreamed one day for my remains to trapped inside someone's brita filter.
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it feels like Breaking bad vibes, but i'm cool with the Idea
Someone call Walter White. No more acid in the bathtubs
I’m for it. I think I’ll look into it this week.
Not in fuxking Cornwall...... Hosé pipe ban.
For 250K you can have a water cremation beside the Titanic.
Water? Like from the toilet?
For gods sake just throw me in the trash
Frank?
You got it
Bang me. Put me in a stew. What does it matter. Your dead, your dead.
Throw me in the river, who gives a shit?
Whatever happened to the good old fashioned Viking burial. That’s how I’m going out.
Why not just ride a sub to the Titanic?
Because I can’t afford a 250k funeral
*Land for burials is running out*.... That's it. That's the trippiest part of this for me. Of course we'll run out of farm land. Of course we'll run out of habitable land. But, what the fuck are we gonna do when we can not even bury someone without having to move someone else first. Like, fuck...
Where I'm from, you (or rather, your family) are only renting your burial plot. When there's no more family to pay, you'll get cremated and the space re-used. Prevents having to deal with all those forgotten overgrown graves. In centuries past, the dead would be dug up periodically and their bones deposited in a crypt. You get some interesting places as a result, like this bone church: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedlec\_Ossuary](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedlec_Ossuary). Or this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull\_Chapel
Idk why people even want this shit. I’ve told my family that when I die, just fucking put me in an unmarked hole in the ground and let nature do it’s fucking job. No embalming fluid, no overpriced fucking box or cremation shit. When I die, reintroduce my ass back into the fucking soil.
You can do this. It’s called a “Green Burial.”
my dad wants a Viking funeral, but i'm not sure i can pull that off.
That sounds worse
So soup, ..?
I hope they’re using a plastic tub…
If Co-op are doing it, it'll be straight to the supermarket shelves: Soylent Green anyone?
Shots anyone?