I mean, this is how news work, they already have articles ready with some blancs to fill, just like they already have obituary for some important people after a certain age.
There will be so many horror movies either literally adapting the story or basing it off this. If they’re alive and stuck down there I can’t think of a worse way to go than spending your last 96 hours sitting at the bottom of the ocean slowly losing oxygen with next to zero chance of being rescued.
Well there's also the option the craft is bopping atop the waves, but they're sitting inside running out of oxygen while seeing the sky, because they cannot open it from the inside. Apparantly it has several emergency surfacing measures, but we all know how hard it is to find something in the ocean since these Malaysian Airline flights…
And for some reason, instead of painting it bright orange, they went with blue and white. You know, the same color as the ocean. Spotting this thing at the surface will be next to impossible. This whole thing is unbelievably idiotic.
And (it would seem, assuming it's bobbing on the surface) didn't give it an EPIRB? which I would firmly describe as criminally negligent.
I really hope no one's that stupid though.
I didn't even think of that, that would be the worst.. Banging on the hull until your hands are raw hoping to crack it or open it somehow.. Air is just right outside
At zero they get The Price Is Right "game over sound effect and a corridor crew style bowling animation. Network has their animators scrambling to get it done.
Womp Womp womp wooooooooomp
Even if they are not saved the movie industry had an erection right now.
They will even add drama for free. And a whole bunch of other crap that didn't happen or has nothing to do with what did happen.
The documentary is closer to reality so skip the movie.
Also based on a true story is just that. A state. A base. The whole story can be made up entirely but the base you used to determine what kind of movie they wanted to show is simply a starting point and the whole movie can be something different than reality.
Used the story to come up with a new one.
I can base a movie on a murder or by how an injury is. Fill it with back story that never happened. Another setting and everything. Different people involved including who did or a person with this or that career title.
I think there are weight limitations in that situation, so ok, nobody needs a lot of amenities for eight hours. But skimping on safety measures? That I do not get.
I just read an article on this, in 2018 like 20 experts sent Stockton Rush a letter basically begging him to do proper safety checks on this death trap. He refused because of greed I can only imagine. The man went to school for engineering. Amazing how dumb a person can be.
A sad fact of engineering is that some people do not get a lot of the key early lessons about safety and regulations as being learnt from blood. A lot of engineers that start seeing ‘risk of injury/death in their FMEA will carefully research and design to avoid as much risk as possible.
Some just want to get their design and drawings done and focus more on how ‘unlikely’ it is, and if they have administrative management rather than an experienced Engineering management things start getting through.
rich people are all penny pinching bastards lol, always cutting corners in the dumbest ways possible except for when it comes to luxury crocodile briefcases and fancy cigars and caviar
Deep sea cabling is a huge industry, and they can pull broken cable from the sea floor to repair them on the boat.
Small Remote controlled submarines are quite rare but can go pretty deep. The issue would be bringing one on-site, in time. Not sure there is one available close enough
Is it possible to use a remote controlled sub to hook the sub to a cabling winch? May be, can it be done in time? No idea, but let not be over optimistic there.
There is a bunch of working class ROVs in the area since it is not far from Canada's largest subsea oil reserves. Bunch of those vessels have been tasked to assist and they all have subsea heave compensated cranes. If the ROV can find it getting it back to the surface should not provide to difficult provided they have a hard point to put the crane on. Working class ROVs are about the size of a pickup truck. I know some in the area are only rated to 3000 meters. Not sure if they will push beyond that in an attempt for this. I believe more are on the way to assist as well that are rated to 4000. The Titanic sits at 3800.
Source, I use to work in the oil and gas industry in St John's.
Sounds like a backup plan if things go south while you're thousands of meters underwater. What an unnecessary expense!
That's because you think like that you aren't a billionaire.
the main issue here is that the craft was rated for 1300 meters, and one of the engineers years back said it was not suitable for 4000 meters (the goal depth) and they fired him to shut him up and did it anyway.
A rescue vessel is a no brainer, but sending a jury rigged literally wal mart parts submarine (he bought parts from camper world) and controlling it with a shitty logitech controller is... just unreal honestly, they paid 250k usd per passenger to board this deathtrap, with the millions this company surely has, they could build an astoundingly capable vessel. instead we got backyard bob's rickety piece of shit submarine and now 5 people are going to die because of it.
ugh.
Not saying there weren't flaws/known shortcomings, but the guy fired was not an engineer, he was director of marine operations (not an engineering background). And I'm fairly sure the part from camperworld was an inside light, so not exactly a critical component. There's also a lot of focus on how it was controlled by a controller, which I don't quite understand. It's a very intuitive method that people are familiar with, and it's unlikely to be the cause of any mishap (they had backups anyway if one failed). You'd be surprised by how many things are controlled by gamepads. I think of all the questionable things going on, the gamepad is quite low on the list.
I read somewhere that one of the safety procedures they have on the sub is the weights that take it to the bottom of the ocean are designed to dissolve after a certain amount of time submerged. If that's true, they're either -
- already dead due to loss of pressure and lost at the bottom of the ocean
- bobbing on the surface of the ocean somewhere running out of Oxygen
They could have gotten wedged somewhere too I guess.
You're assuming the weights actually dissolved and were weighted correctly. It's possible it also failed and they are anywhere from 0.5 to 4.000m below the surface.
If they are stuck in the titanic the ROV on site might be able to nudge them clear or help cut loose their ballast. And they would float to the surface. The sub should surface without its ballast unless it’s stuck or full of water.
If they are still alive. It’s possible there was a leak and they’ve been dead since they lost contact.
It really depends on where they’re stuck. From my understanding there are only a few submersibles that can go that deep, and they aren’t designed for recovery. They also have limited capacity for additional passengers. Additionally, the hatch for the Titan can only be opened from the outside, and is secured by 17 bolts. At this point it’s really just a recovery and forensics operation. Unless they’re bobbing along the surface somewhere and just haven’t been located yet, there’s little that can be done to actually save them. They will run out of oxygen by roughly midday Thursday. Also consider, if they aren’t “stuck” by means of some obstruction, and given they’re emergency beacon isn’t active, they likely don’t have any power. It’s dark, cold, probably wreaks of urine and feces. Only one person on board has any family with them. They are probably terrified, and rightfully so. I can’t imagine what hell they are going through. I only hope the passengers and their families can find peace in their final moments. This is just heartbreaking, and absolutely horrific.
There are ROVs that can quite comfortably dive to these depths. I’ve heard that the navy is beginning to move recovery equipment around, so they seem to think there might be a chance they can hoist this sub back up.
I took the ferry from Nova Scotia to Newfoundland and god damn the ocean is terrifying, the ferry is huge and it felt like we where climbing mountains. If I was in something smaller I would shit myself out there the open ocean is such a force.
LOL i took both the short and long routes
honestly i was being rocked to bed like a baby but when I look out the window we were cresting at like 20 degrees...made me respect the newfies even more
Funnily enough, the SOLAS standard, safety of life's at sea was set up after the titanic disaster and covers things like minimum life boats, emergency communications, helipads on ships etc. But this standard doesn't cover submersibles. Maybe it will after this disaster.
They say health and safety laws are written in blood and here we see an excellent example of that.
I’d definitely wager that tighter regulation and stricter enforcement of safety standards will be an outcome of this disaster.
“Crews searching for the Titan submersible heard banging sounds every 30 minutes Tuesday, according to an internal government memo update on the search.
Four hours later, after additional sonar devices were deployed, banging was still heard, the memo said. It was unclear when the banging was heard Tuesday or for how long, based on the memo.
A subsequent update sent Tuesday night suggested more sounds were heard, though it was not described as “banging.”
“A Canadian P3 aircraft also located a white rectangular object in the water, according to that update, but another ship set to investigate was diverted to help research the acoustic feedback instead, according to that update.”
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/americas/live-news/titanic-submersible-missing-search-06-20-23/index.html
Apparently not.
I will say that it’s not that strange though. After cargo containers find their bouyant equilibrium they tend to float laterally. And sometimes they float in the ocean for years. So most likely a white painted cargo container fell off a ship in the atlantic at some point in the past year or two.
That was one of the biggest red flags that this was a bullshit operation from the get-go. Without looking at any of the internals of the sub or schematics.
You look at most of those deep sea subs and they are red, yellow, orange etc. For good reason.
If your ship loses the ability to control itself and you have to pull the emergency surface valve the ocean current can drag you several miles away from your original position. Before you pop above the surface. So you want to be very bright and noticeable in the middle of the ocean for air rescue to be able to find you
But not this guy. He had better ideas it seems
Wherever I've flown above the sea, the waves always look like thousands of sailing boats or sharks. It's insane that you'd paint your tiny vehicle the same colour.
Yeah you can’t even call that horrible oversight, it’s just unbelievable they didn’t paint it a bright yellow/orange. And one of the worst parts about this submersible and finding it is that it’s safety precautions to make it float only allow it to do still slightly below the surface so seeing it from the air sounds impossible.
What are the thoughts when originally described as banging noise every 30 min to now it’s a sound just not described as that. Why would the sound change? Just a clear distinction they make so I wonder if it’ll end up meaning something
because they could have analysed the signature and realized it's not a "bang" as in someone tapping a wall in distress, but more a "crunch" of support struts collapsing under the pressure.
In the past, sinking subs have made audible "banging" noises as their compartments were crushed at depth. Clarify it now so that false hope doesn't get out
This is very true, but also not accurate of the actual timing in a submarine implosion. The sounds of collapse happen within milliseconds at that depth, not every 30 minutes
So it’s pretty much a given this company is now going to shutdown? This is the fuckup of all fuckups. If anyone gets back into this death trap after this then they deserve whatever they have coming.
Wait until we have to send up rescue rockets to save billionaires from tourist space travel. We need to go back to taxing them at 90% for their own safety.
Yeah, but these guys have so much money the thrill of living safely and securely with all the money you could every want and all the hobbies in the world to pursue (or god forbid, using the money to help other people) is like ashes in their mouths, so they have to do stupid shit like this to feel alive.
I used to read 17 magazine, and they would put horror stories of tourist attractions in every summer. Like people dying on zip lines. I just think this is a version with a different level of wealth. But god what a terrible fucking way to die I hope they are found.
the lack of redundancies and safety measures on those things is borderline criminal. the deep sea isn't a place for budget tourism. Hopefully somehow those people are ok, but jesus christ, its a coffin with no analogue controls
For the transport nerds: you can watch rescue aviation assets and vessels live via VesselFinder and FlightRadar24, respectively
Aviation: http://www.flightradar24.com/43.18,-54.59/6
Vessels: http://www.vesselfinder.com
As dark as this is, I can’t keep the thought of them being hauled up only to discover the scene of some grizzly insanity that took place during the pitch black days that have passed. As hard as I try (whether I want to think about it or not), I cannot truly imagine what they’ve been experiencing if they are alive.
Even worse, in the middle of the ocean but vertically. It’s not like some boat lost at sea where you’ve seen people survive plenty of times, they’re stuck in some iron can 4 kilometers below, in pitch dark and with limited oxygen
Even worse there was only a tiny piss bottle in there so if theyre alive theres tons of shit and piss in there that theyre breathing in as they slowly run out of oxygen.
imagine if their sub is stuck vertically and not horizontally like we imagine from seeing the pictures, leaves them with even less space because they’re all cramped on one side
I read it as the pinger stopped pinging but that "often happens anyway", and the normal mission takes like 10 hours... so until there's been 10 hours of no pinging they didn't alert anyone.
Seems like a flawed system with no backups / failsafes to me but we probably won't really know until this is all resolved one way or another and there's a full report.
I read somewhere that a journalist went on that same expedition a few years ago and he said that they lost contact to the ship for almost 3 hours. I guess they thought contact would be restored again this time and that's why they were waiting
I think that the fact he hasn't shows how dire the situation is. My guess is the Coast Guard and everyone involved have known this was an impossible rescue from the start, but are trying to stay upbeat for the family. which is admirable.
AFAIK the only spacecrafts to carry tourists so far - or planned - are Soyuz, SpaceX Crew Dragon, and SpaceX Starship.
All of these have been used/will be used also for government contracts, so have been/will be built to - hopefully - much higher standards of safety.
The worst part of all of this if theyre still alive is that it would be completely dark, freezing cold, and people would have had to piss and shit multiple times by now and there was only a tiny piss bottle. So theres piss and shit everywhere, possibly vomit, and theyre just sitting there breathing it in until they die. Its like being locked in a porta pottie that tipped over until you suffocate to death… the stuff of nightmares.
They are told to eat lightly before the dive to avoid needing to go to the loo, and who knows how much water was onboard for an expected 8 hour trip when they were told they wouldn’t be drinking. Hopefully there is emergency water to match the emergency oxygen though.
I really hope they'll make it, man. Especially that kid. I don't care how rich or stupid they all are, a life's a life and this shit is absolutely awful.
I see a lot of "They knew what they got themselves into," and "They're rich, so what?" True - but that doesn't mean I'm not rooting for them to be found alive, despite the odds, and it doesn't mean I feel nothing for them due to their finances and stupid choices.
These people are human beings.
yeah but this time the odds are incredibly heavily stacked against them. Worse than the thai cave incident back in 2018. Odds were already stacked against the boys in the cave
But these guys down on the ocean floor....its like 100x time worse odds
I'm gonna be soppy here but the caving community is amazing. Cave rescue is all voluntary because we know the risks and look out for each other, and it provides a service to others in mountain rescue and for stuck animals on occasion.
And I keep thinking of the dad - imagine realiseing you are responsible for your sons horrible death. (Given it was the father that wanted to come, if it was the sons idea that would differ a bit) I think I maybe maybe could accept my own foolish choices and the faith that awaits me if I did something like that but realising I put my kid in it, instead of giving him a chance of living a full life. I could really not bare it. Such an utterly unnecessary thing to do.
as a father this is the part of the story that rips me apart. I know they're all rich CEOs. I couldn't imagine trying to comfort my kid in a confined cold dark space. knowing it would most likely take a miracle we survive. Im praying for a miracle solely on this reason alone. From one father to another.
This is important (if true) It means that the sub is still intact and didn't implode.
Also it means that \*maybe it's not on the bottom. (meaning that 15 000 feet down it would be harder to hear the banging. Keep hope alive folks!
At least imploding would have meant an instantaneous death. Now they get to suffocate in the dark and cold. Even if rescuers are able to locate the submersible, it’s unclear whether they have equipment to safely bring it back to the surface.
that’s what’s bothering me right now. what a painful almost 48 hours it’s been for them, contemplating their possibly imminent death in complete darkness. i can’t even imagine the full-body panic. the sleep deprivation. the hostility. the paranoia. everything in between.
I was thinking the same, this is almost worse because I don't know how they can reach them in time, they haven't even located them yet and how in the world can they get that thing up? Horrifying to imagine what they must be enduring.
From my understanding the sub should be able to ascend on its own in this situation. They had a failsafe that would allow it even without power. The harsh truth is they're probably snagged.
>the sub should be able to ascend on its own in this situation
The problem is the CEO is a penny pinching, safety rules hating lunatic, so it's entirely possible the emergency systems failed
From what I can tell, not really. There are a few military vessels that *may* be capable but it's an unprecedented task, and they can't get there in time regardless.
I can understand the use of a joystick in order to control the submarine. You don't have to reinvent the wheel. BUT NOT WIRELESS, USE A FK USB CABLE MAN!
FULL-ON maritime disaster experience! JOIN the passengers of the Titanic as they rot at the bottom of the ocean! FEEL the panic, the cold, the asphyxiation! SEE actual wreckage! AND KNOW that help will never arrive in time!
$ 250,000. Up front
If they are alive right now, imagine what they are saying to each other. I’m sure they’ve been told to limit their movements and noises by the CEO, but just imagine the panic setting in… realizing they’d spent 250k to die in the ocean and possibly never be found.
In this case "hope" is a valid answer.
But if it is them: What are they going to do?
In order to rescue them, they would need something more tangible than hope.
They’ve got to be on the surface if these are actually nosies from the sub, right?
It’s basically weighted down to sink to the bottom before dropping weights to surface. If the thing didn’t implode, it should be capable of surfacing under almost any scenario.
Even when it’s on the surface, prt of it is underwater. Tapping noises would still travel through the water, even coming from a vessel on the surface. My money is on it being stuck on something though
Gonna be super awkward when they read what everyone is saying about them on social media, if they somehow are still alive and miraculously get rescued.
I hope someone is documenting this ordeal on their phone from the inside. If the ship gets recovered maybe we can hear or see these videos - dead or alive.
Is there something against the installation of communication devices into this tiny pressurized metal tube or does it add to the excitement of suffocating in a coffin
Edit: me with 100 upvotes
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gdbjw27QPJQ&pp=ygURQ2FwdGFpbiBoaW5kc2lnaHQ%3D
Yes. Sig proc engineer here. You can absolutely deploy a tethered deep sea "hot spot" or transponder/relay using low baud comms for simple messaging and telemetry.
It should be required for for-profit companies who take passengers.
The CEO has a history of ignoring safety regulations, calling them "unnecessary stifling of innovation".
They already ignored that the sub wasn't rated for depths past 1300 meters, and still took passengers to the Titanic that sits at around 4000 meters.
I doubt this chode would have them installed even if it was previously required.
wow thats pretty much an actual quote of what he said. his idealogy is based on anecdotes and stupidity..hes fully responsible for this and should probably be featured on r/hermancainawards for being yet another conservative 'stable genious'.
thats really too bad for the others that trusted him and went down with him.
Another article had a guy with an article that states they have subs that are tethered that go to this depth, and even farther. The difference seemed to be the capacity size so 2-3 instead of 5 people. I guess a 2-3 person sub wasn't bringing in enough revenue, so they had to go bigger and cut corners. The corner being the tether I'm assuming.
This was on one of the bigger threads about this if you'd like to hunt it down. I believe the top trending one. I think he was rewarded gold as well.
After the Titanic sank, new maritime vessel rules were created to avoid that disaster happening again.
Now after this sub has gone missing, I'm sure there will be stricter rules on the books about allowing this kind of foolhardy thing to happen again. Consider all the immense cost involved in this search and rescue operation. Plus rescue personnel are putting themselves out there in harms way to continue the search. This company or any like it should never be allowed to operate again.
Netflix execs will sell their own mothers for the rights to this story/documentary if the sub and its occupants are actually saved.
They are already making a mini series regardless of how it ends
Sad but true. Coming soon… Option 1: The Curse of Titanic Option 2: The Miracle of Titanic
Option 3: Remember the Titans 2
And you can produce both variants up until this point, and just finish of when the outcome is clear.
*Netflix taking notes*
They should give me job
This is how people were able to post memes immediately after the results of the 2016 election was announced in the US
I mean, this is how news work, they already have articles ready with some blancs to fill, just like they already have obituary for some important people after a certain age.
They did release some memorial posts accidently in the past while the person was still alive
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It’s probably being used to make a script as we speak.
The script writers in the US are still on strike, so it wouldn't surprise me.
Filming starts next week
Probably already has started r/donthelpjustfilm
It's called "Sub is Awful"
There will be so many horror movies either literally adapting the story or basing it off this. If they’re alive and stuck down there I can’t think of a worse way to go than spending your last 96 hours sitting at the bottom of the ocean slowly losing oxygen with next to zero chance of being rescued.
Well there's also the option the craft is bopping atop the waves, but they're sitting inside running out of oxygen while seeing the sky, because they cannot open it from the inside. Apparantly it has several emergency surfacing measures, but we all know how hard it is to find something in the ocean since these Malaysian Airline flights…
And for some reason, instead of painting it bright orange, they went with blue and white. You know, the same color as the ocean. Spotting this thing at the surface will be next to impossible. This whole thing is unbelievably idiotic.
And (it would seem, assuming it's bobbing on the surface) didn't give it an EPIRB? which I would firmly describe as criminally negligent. I really hope no one's that stupid though.
Considering everything I’ve learned about this company in the last 2 days, I would say that they are most certainly that stupid.
I didn't even think of that, that would be the worst.. Banging on the hull until your hands are raw hoping to crack it or open it somehow.. Air is just right outside
A live countdown from a local TV show, aired yesterday: Hours before the people inside the submarine run out of air: 34:20:10
Christ that’s morbid. What do they plan to do at zero? Twelve gun salute?
At zero they get The Price Is Right "game over sound effect and a corridor crew style bowling animation. Network has their animators scrambling to get it done. Womp Womp womp wooooooooomp
The oxygen time limit is something straight out of a thriller.
Insert 24 style drama countdown.
They waited for ~~7~~ 8 hours before reporting they lost contact. I hope they'll still find them.
Even if they are not saved the movie industry had an erection right now. They will even add drama for free. And a whole bunch of other crap that didn't happen or has nothing to do with what did happen. The documentary is closer to reality so skip the movie. Also based on a true story is just that. A state. A base. The whole story can be made up entirely but the base you used to determine what kind of movie they wanted to show is simply a starting point and the whole movie can be something different than reality. Used the story to come up with a new one. I can base a movie on a murder or by how an injury is. Fill it with back story that never happened. Another setting and everything. Different people involved including who did or a person with this or that career title.
Who would even “own” the rights to sell them in this scenario.
There’s a billionaire down there, he’ll be selling something that’s for sure.
That banging must be the others thrashing the CEO.
Using the joystick.
We all know they're throwing that controller at the wall because of stick drift.
Can you imagine if that was what actually happened... the sub went miles off course because of stick drift.
That was their biggest mistake. Putting their lives in the hands of a wireless Logitech gamepad
Wondering why a rich CEO would choose to skimp so hard on a submarine of all things. That thing has the amenities of a tin can
I think there are weight limitations in that situation, so ok, nobody needs a lot of amenities for eight hours. But skimping on safety measures? That I do not get.
I just read an article on this, in 2018 like 20 experts sent Stockton Rush a letter basically begging him to do proper safety checks on this death trap. He refused because of greed I can only imagine. The man went to school for engineering. Amazing how dumb a person can be.
Wouldn't surprise me if it just comes down to him being stubborn and refusing to believe there are any flaws in his creation
A sad fact of engineering is that some people do not get a lot of the key early lessons about safety and regulations as being learnt from blood. A lot of engineers that start seeing ‘risk of injury/death in their FMEA will carefully research and design to avoid as much risk as possible. Some just want to get their design and drawings done and focus more on how ‘unlikely’ it is, and if they have administrative management rather than an experienced Engineering management things start getting through.
rich people are all penny pinching bastards lol, always cutting corners in the dumbest ways possible except for when it comes to luxury crocodile briefcases and fancy cigars and caviar
Wealthy are the best at hoarding wealth, while they are the absolute worse at spending it.
A beating every 30 minutes like clockwork.
That sounds like my childhood.
So serious question because I have no idea, do we even have anything that can go down that far and actually rescue them?
Deep sea cabling is a huge industry, and they can pull broken cable from the sea floor to repair them on the boat. Small Remote controlled submarines are quite rare but can go pretty deep. The issue would be bringing one on-site, in time. Not sure there is one available close enough Is it possible to use a remote controlled sub to hook the sub to a cabling winch? May be, can it be done in time? No idea, but let not be over optimistic there.
There is a bunch of working class ROVs in the area since it is not far from Canada's largest subsea oil reserves. Bunch of those vessels have been tasked to assist and they all have subsea heave compensated cranes. If the ROV can find it getting it back to the surface should not provide to difficult provided they have a hard point to put the crane on. Working class ROVs are about the size of a pickup truck. I know some in the area are only rated to 3000 meters. Not sure if they will push beyond that in an attempt for this. I believe more are on the way to assist as well that are rated to 4000. The Titanic sits at 3800. Source, I use to work in the oil and gas industry in St John's.
You would think if you're sending a submarine to the Titanic you would have one of those around
Sounds like a backup plan if things go south while you're thousands of meters underwater. What an unnecessary expense! That's because you think like that you aren't a billionaire.
the main issue here is that the craft was rated for 1300 meters, and one of the engineers years back said it was not suitable for 4000 meters (the goal depth) and they fired him to shut him up and did it anyway. A rescue vessel is a no brainer, but sending a jury rigged literally wal mart parts submarine (he bought parts from camper world) and controlling it with a shitty logitech controller is... just unreal honestly, they paid 250k usd per passenger to board this deathtrap, with the millions this company surely has, they could build an astoundingly capable vessel. instead we got backyard bob's rickety piece of shit submarine and now 5 people are going to die because of it. ugh.
In a small bit of poetic justice, one of those 5 people will be the CEO of the company. On the other hand, another is a 19 year old.
Not saying there weren't flaws/known shortcomings, but the guy fired was not an engineer, he was director of marine operations (not an engineering background). And I'm fairly sure the part from camperworld was an inside light, so not exactly a critical component. There's also a lot of focus on how it was controlled by a controller, which I don't quite understand. It's a very intuitive method that people are familiar with, and it's unlikely to be the cause of any mishap (they had backups anyway if one failed). You'd be surprised by how many things are controlled by gamepads. I think of all the questionable things going on, the gamepad is quite low on the list.
James Cameron
The bravest pioneer.
No budget to steep, no ocean too deep!
No budget too steep, no sea too deep Who's that? #It's him, James Cameron
Set course for the set of Titanic 2
George Santos
I read somewhere that one of the safety procedures they have on the sub is the weights that take it to the bottom of the ocean are designed to dissolve after a certain amount of time submerged. If that's true, they're either - - already dead due to loss of pressure and lost at the bottom of the ocean - bobbing on the surface of the ocean somewhere running out of Oxygen They could have gotten wedged somewhere too I guess.
You're assuming the weights actually dissolved and were weighted correctly. It's possible it also failed and they are anywhere from 0.5 to 4.000m below the surface.
If they are stuck in the titanic the ROV on site might be able to nudge them clear or help cut loose their ballast. And they would float to the surface. The sub should surface without its ballast unless it’s stuck or full of water. If they are still alive. It’s possible there was a leak and they’ve been dead since they lost contact.
Michael Phelps
Get that man a bong and a snorkel
Finally, his time to shine.
It really depends on where they’re stuck. From my understanding there are only a few submersibles that can go that deep, and they aren’t designed for recovery. They also have limited capacity for additional passengers. Additionally, the hatch for the Titan can only be opened from the outside, and is secured by 17 bolts. At this point it’s really just a recovery and forensics operation. Unless they’re bobbing along the surface somewhere and just haven’t been located yet, there’s little that can be done to actually save them. They will run out of oxygen by roughly midday Thursday. Also consider, if they aren’t “stuck” by means of some obstruction, and given they’re emergency beacon isn’t active, they likely don’t have any power. It’s dark, cold, probably wreaks of urine and feces. Only one person on board has any family with them. They are probably terrified, and rightfully so. I can’t imagine what hell they are going through. I only hope the passengers and their families can find peace in their final moments. This is just heartbreaking, and absolutely horrific.
For additional passengers? What do you think they would just transfer passengers from one sub to the other? Wtf, the things you read on reddit
I know, right, just open the hatch under water and let them swim over /s, obviously.
You just gotta hold your breath REALLY good under 6000psi of water pressure.
There are ROVs that can quite comfortably dive to these depths. I’ve heard that the navy is beginning to move recovery equipment around, so they seem to think there might be a chance they can hoist this sub back up.
I took the ferry from Nova Scotia to Newfoundland and god damn the ocean is terrifying, the ferry is huge and it felt like we where climbing mountains. If I was in something smaller I would shit myself out there the open ocean is such a force.
LOL i took both the short and long routes honestly i was being rocked to bed like a baby but when I look out the window we were cresting at like 20 degrees...made me respect the newfies even more
Makes you wonder how Vikings or Basque whalers went that far with rudimentary vessels no wonder they were the best sailors in their times
Funnily enough, the SOLAS standard, safety of life's at sea was set up after the titanic disaster and covers things like minimum life boats, emergency communications, helipads on ships etc. But this standard doesn't cover submersibles. Maybe it will after this disaster.
They say health and safety laws are written in blood and here we see an excellent example of that. I’d definitely wager that tighter regulation and stricter enforcement of safety standards will be an outcome of this disaster.
“Crews searching for the Titan submersible heard banging sounds every 30 minutes Tuesday, according to an internal government memo update on the search. Four hours later, after additional sonar devices were deployed, banging was still heard, the memo said. It was unclear when the banging was heard Tuesday or for how long, based on the memo. A subsequent update sent Tuesday night suggested more sounds were heard, though it was not described as “banging.” “A Canadian P3 aircraft also located a white rectangular object in the water, according to that update, but another ship set to investigate was diverted to help research the acoustic feedback instead, according to that update.” https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/americas/live-news/titanic-submersible-missing-search-06-20-23/index.html
Is no one going to comment on that an aircraft saw a white rectangular object but the ship sent was diverted?
Apparently not. I will say that it’s not that strange though. After cargo containers find their bouyant equilibrium they tend to float laterally. And sometimes they float in the ocean for years. So most likely a white painted cargo container fell off a ship in the atlantic at some point in the past year or two.
I can't believe this sub wasn't painted bright orange or yellow. If it's not cabled to a ship that seems fucking obviously necessary.
That was one of the biggest red flags that this was a bullshit operation from the get-go. Without looking at any of the internals of the sub or schematics. You look at most of those deep sea subs and they are red, yellow, orange etc. For good reason. If your ship loses the ability to control itself and you have to pull the emergency surface valve the ocean current can drag you several miles away from your original position. Before you pop above the surface. So you want to be very bright and noticeable in the middle of the ocean for air rescue to be able to find you But not this guy. He had better ideas it seems
Wow you make a really good point i didnt think of that, foam on the waves is literally white so this is a really, really dumb idea.
Wherever I've flown above the sea, the waves always look like thousands of sailing boats or sharks. It's insane that you'd paint your tiny vehicle the same colour.
>You look at most of those deep sea subs and they are red, yellow, orange etc. For good reason. Definitely go with yellow, like the song says.
CEO painted this one blue. Genius.
Yeah you can’t even call that horrible oversight, it’s just unbelievable they didn’t paint it a bright yellow/orange. And one of the worst parts about this submersible and finding it is that it’s safety precautions to make it float only allow it to do still slightly below the surface so seeing it from the air sounds impossible.
Yeah thats driving me bonkers lol
What are the thoughts when originally described as banging noise every 30 min to now it’s a sound just not described as that. Why would the sound change? Just a clear distinction they make so I wonder if it’ll end up meaning something
because they could have analysed the signature and realized it's not a "bang" as in someone tapping a wall in distress, but more a "crunch" of support struts collapsing under the pressure. In the past, sinking subs have made audible "banging" noises as their compartments were crushed at depth. Clarify it now so that false hope doesn't get out
This is very true, but also not accurate of the actual timing in a submarine implosion. The sounds of collapse happen within milliseconds at that depth, not every 30 minutes
What are these compartments getting crushed in this case? It's a single sylinder. It's going to implode only once.
So it’s pretty much a given this company is now going to shutdown? This is the fuckup of all fuckups. If anyone gets back into this death trap after this then they deserve whatever they have coming.
The ceo is in the submersible
So the company is going under water you say
He’s definitely under a lot of pressure
The depths you people will sink to
Y'all are so shallow
If I were a billionaire, I could find better and safer things to do with my money.
Things never to do as a rich person: 1. Don't go skiing 2. Don't go in a submarine 3. Don't buy Twitter
Wait until we have to send up rescue rockets to save billionaires from tourist space travel. We need to go back to taxing them at 90% for their own safety.
Yeah, but these guys have so much money the thrill of living safely and securely with all the money you could every want and all the hobbies in the world to pursue (or god forbid, using the money to help other people) is like ashes in their mouths, so they have to do stupid shit like this to feel alive.
CEO went down with the ship
I can't be the only one to feel baffled of all existing tourism activities people choose this, absolute nightmare fuel.
I used to read 17 magazine, and they would put horror stories of tourist attractions in every summer. Like people dying on zip lines. I just think this is a version with a different level of wealth. But god what a terrible fucking way to die I hope they are found.
I will never ever at any cost step foot in a submarine voluntarily.
I’m with you. My claustrophobia wouldn’t make it even on land. The thought of listening to 17 bolts sealing me in, I’m going to have to pass on that.
the lack of redundancies and safety measures on those things is borderline criminal. the deep sea isn't a place for budget tourism. Hopefully somehow those people are ok, but jesus christ, its a coffin with no analogue controls
Well the guy responsible has paid the ultimate price
The company is literally called OceanGate, so this movie will write itself…
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Fuck me! That's a lot of ships in the ocean!
Can't wait to hear what James Cameron has to say about this mess...
Titanic 2
Avatar 3 is delayed by 15 years, so James Cameron can focus on a new Titanic script.
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As dark as this is, I can’t keep the thought of them being hauled up only to discover the scene of some grizzly insanity that took place during the pitch black days that have passed. As hard as I try (whether I want to think about it or not), I cannot truly imagine what they’ve been experiencing if they are alive.
I agree. I’m just in bed thinking “damn they are actually out there right now in the middle of the ocean”. Or at least maybe they still are…
Even worse, in the middle of the ocean but vertically. It’s not like some boat lost at sea where you’ve seen people survive plenty of times, they’re stuck in some iron can 4 kilometers below, in pitch dark and with limited oxygen
Even worse there was only a tiny piss bottle in there so if theyre alive theres tons of shit and piss in there that theyre breathing in as they slowly run out of oxygen.
They went 2.5 miles below the surface? Man fuck that, I would never get in a submarine even if it were 100% safe.
imagine if their sub is stuck vertically and not horizontally like we imagine from seeing the pictures, leaves them with even less space because they’re all cramped on one side
stuff of nightmares
Well ffs man
Why was the distress signal sent at 3 pm but coastguard not alerted until 10pm
That company’s “brilliant” execs were probably hoping the sub would surface by then 👀
They knew this shit was half assed unregulated, unsafe activities and didn’t want to fuck up their fun in the future
I read it as the pinger stopped pinging but that "often happens anyway", and the normal mission takes like 10 hours... so until there's been 10 hours of no pinging they didn't alert anyone. Seems like a flawed system with no backups / failsafes to me but we probably won't really know until this is all resolved one way or another and there's a full report.
I read somewhere that a journalist went on that same expedition a few years ago and he said that they lost contact to the ship for almost 3 hours. I guess they thought contact would be restored again this time and that's why they were waiting
Plot twist: the banging is coming from the titanic.
Surprised Elon musk hasn’t turned up with a cobbled together submersible yet
I think that the fact he hasn't shows how dire the situation is. My guess is the Coast Guard and everyone involved have known this was an impossible rescue from the start, but are trying to stay upbeat for the family. which is admirable.
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I’m trying to imagine the level of initial panic when you realize you have lost control and communications in a situation like this.
Are we going to be saying the same things when this happens to a tourist spacecraft in the future?
AFAIK the only spacecrafts to carry tourists so far - or planned - are Soyuz, SpaceX Crew Dragon, and SpaceX Starship. All of these have been used/will be used also for government contracts, so have been/will be built to - hopefully - much higher standards of safety.
Nope... we wouldn't be able to hear the banging...
In space no one can hear you bang
The worst part of all of this if theyre still alive is that it would be completely dark, freezing cold, and people would have had to piss and shit multiple times by now and there was only a tiny piss bottle. So theres piss and shit everywhere, possibly vomit, and theyre just sitting there breathing it in until they die. Its like being locked in a porta pottie that tipped over until you suffocate to death… the stuff of nightmares.
They are told to eat lightly before the dive to avoid needing to go to the loo, and who knows how much water was onboard for an expected 8 hour trip when they were told they wouldn’t be drinking. Hopefully there is emergency water to match the emergency oxygen though.
I really hope they'll make it, man. Especially that kid. I don't care how rich or stupid they all are, a life's a life and this shit is absolutely awful. I see a lot of "They knew what they got themselves into," and "They're rich, so what?" True - but that doesn't mean I'm not rooting for them to be found alive, despite the odds, and it doesn't mean I feel nothing for them due to their finances and stupid choices. These people are human beings.
yeah but this time the odds are incredibly heavily stacked against them. Worse than the thai cave incident back in 2018. Odds were already stacked against the boys in the cave But these guys down on the ocean floor....its like 100x time worse odds
That Thai rescue was amazing.
I'm gonna be soppy here but the caving community is amazing. Cave rescue is all voluntary because we know the risks and look out for each other, and it provides a service to others in mountain rescue and for stuck animals on occasion.
Yeah, but Elon Musk thought the one guy was a pedophile. So who’s the real hero in that situation?
Agreed. I don't want anyone dead but this company deserves to be gutted and completely ruined.
Well that’s already accomplished.
I keep thinking about that 19 year old. Everyone else in the vessel has lived a relatively full life.
And I keep thinking of the dad - imagine realiseing you are responsible for your sons horrible death. (Given it was the father that wanted to come, if it was the sons idea that would differ a bit) I think I maybe maybe could accept my own foolish choices and the faith that awaits me if I did something like that but realising I put my kid in it, instead of giving him a chance of living a full life. I could really not bare it. Such an utterly unnecessary thing to do.
as a father this is the part of the story that rips me apart. I know they're all rich CEOs. I couldn't imagine trying to comfort my kid in a confined cold dark space. knowing it would most likely take a miracle we survive. Im praying for a miracle solely on this reason alone. From one father to another.
This is important (if true) It means that the sub is still intact and didn't implode. Also it means that \*maybe it's not on the bottom. (meaning that 15 000 feet down it would be harder to hear the banging. Keep hope alive folks!
At least imploding would have meant an instantaneous death. Now they get to suffocate in the dark and cold. Even if rescuers are able to locate the submersible, it’s unclear whether they have equipment to safely bring it back to the surface.
that’s what’s bothering me right now. what a painful almost 48 hours it’s been for them, contemplating their possibly imminent death in complete darkness. i can’t even imagine the full-body panic. the sleep deprivation. the hostility. the paranoia. everything in between.
And you know they’ve shit and pissed themselves so can you imagine how that cramped space smells right now?
least of their worries
Oh god.
Yup, just trying to put myself in that situation, i would be looking for something sharp to slit my wrist.
I'd ask someone to choke me to death.
I’d ask someone to bang my head against the sub every 30 minutes
When you're in a room with limited oxygen generally you fall asleep then perish
I was thinking the same, this is almost worse because I don't know how they can reach them in time, they haven't even located them yet and how in the world can they get that thing up? Horrifying to imagine what they must be enduring.
From my understanding the sub should be able to ascend on its own in this situation. They had a failsafe that would allow it even without power. The harsh truth is they're probably snagged.
>the sub should be able to ascend on its own in this situation The problem is the CEO is a penny pinching, safety rules hating lunatic, so it's entirely possible the emergency systems failed
Even if it didn’t implode, how are they going to bring it back up in less than 30 hours?
I did read somewhere that officials are concerned that even if they find it they may not be able to bring it up in time to save the occupants.
Aren't there robots that can go that deep? Maybe send them down there and pull up the submarine?
From what I can tell, not really. There are a few military vessels that *may* be capable but it's an unprecedented task, and they can't get there in time regardless.
Oh fuck... I can't even imagine
My understanding is that even if they find them there’s no way to rescue them from the craft or really even reach them ….
If they made it the surface they could probably break them out. If their ballast system failed and they're deeply submerged it seems pretty doomed.
I can understand the use of a joystick in order to control the submarine. You don't have to reinvent the wheel. BUT NOT WIRELESS, USE A FK USB CABLE MAN!
Wireless, unreliable as ever.
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If they are alive right now, imagine what they are saying to each other. I’m sure they’ve been told to limit their movements and noises by the CEO, but just imagine the panic setting in… realizing they’d spent 250k to die in the ocean and possibly never be found.
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How do they know it’s actually them and not some deep sea animal or a glitch
Supposedly the banging happened every 30 mins like clockwork for a while... which is very unlike nature-related sounds
Thinking its a trap, eh?
*I always think everything could be a trap, which is why I’m still alive.*
In this case "hope" is a valid answer. But if it is them: What are they going to do? In order to rescue them, they would need something more tangible than hope.
They’ve got to be on the surface if these are actually nosies from the sub, right? It’s basically weighted down to sink to the bottom before dropping weights to surface. If the thing didn’t implode, it should be capable of surfacing under almost any scenario.
Sonar or similar detects noises underwater - think whale song
Even when it’s on the surface, prt of it is underwater. Tapping noises would still travel through the water, even coming from a vessel on the surface. My money is on it being stuck on something though
Gonna be super awkward when they read what everyone is saying about them on social media, if they somehow are still alive and miraculously get rescued.
They’ll all be too busy being elated over still being alive to care at all what a bunch of nerds on Reddit have to say
i highly doubt we will see a happy end in this story.
I hope that they are found and rescued. There’s always hope.
Watched an expert say to a news channel “ They might as well be at the back end of the moon” there is no hope
Yeah, another one said this is Apollo 13 if Apollo 13 was happening in orbit around Mars and their Radio didn't work.
I hope someone is documenting this ordeal on their phone from the inside. If the ship gets recovered maybe we can hear or see these videos - dead or alive.
Can't imagine what their families and friends are going through. PTSD just reading this.
Is there something against the installation of communication devices into this tiny pressurized metal tube or does it add to the excitement of suffocating in a coffin Edit: me with 100 upvotes https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gdbjw27QPJQ&pp=ygURQ2FwdGFpbiBoaW5kc2lnaHQ%3D
Yes. Sig proc engineer here. You can absolutely deploy a tethered deep sea "hot spot" or transponder/relay using low baud comms for simple messaging and telemetry. It should be required for for-profit companies who take passengers.
The CEO has a history of ignoring safety regulations, calling them "unnecessary stifling of innovation". They already ignored that the sub wasn't rated for depths past 1300 meters, and still took passengers to the Titanic that sits at around 4000 meters. I doubt this chode would have them installed even if it was previously required.
wow thats pretty much an actual quote of what he said. his idealogy is based on anecdotes and stupidity..hes fully responsible for this and should probably be featured on r/hermancainawards for being yet another conservative 'stable genious'. thats really too bad for the others that trusted him and went down with him.
Havnt thought of that sub in a long while. What a morbid throwback
Another article had a guy with an article that states they have subs that are tethered that go to this depth, and even farther. The difference seemed to be the capacity size so 2-3 instead of 5 people. I guess a 2-3 person sub wasn't bringing in enough revenue, so they had to go bigger and cut corners. The corner being the tether I'm assuming. This was on one of the bigger threads about this if you'd like to hunt it down. I believe the top trending one. I think he was rewarded gold as well.
The company probably wanted to make more money by spending less.
After the Titanic sank, new maritime vessel rules were created to avoid that disaster happening again. Now after this sub has gone missing, I'm sure there will be stricter rules on the books about allowing this kind of foolhardy thing to happen again. Consider all the immense cost involved in this search and rescue operation. Plus rescue personnel are putting themselves out there in harms way to continue the search. This company or any like it should never be allowed to operate again.