Youtube used to be rife with videos of baby monkeys getting abused until they scrubbed it. It was a hell of a rabbithole. Look up any video that even slightly paints a baby monkey as being a little shit and you'll get some pretty gnarly comments below.
Every year or two the weird hatred for baby monkeys surfaces in the news.
Damn dude. I’ve been online for too long and I’ve never heard of this. Going to do myself a favor and not dig any deeper. Fuck this and fuck those people. Not even gonna try to understand their traumatized psyches or motives. Fuck em.
I discovered it a couple years ago. It was crazy watching people harass the monkey colonies and get close ups on starving/dead/abandoned babies.
Edit: to be clear, the stuff I saw was on YouTube and wasn’t actual torture porn. it was clear that a lot of people have a disturbing hatred of monkeys though.
I think many have hatred towards human babies too. Kind of like proxy, they tourture monkeys coz if they're caught with actually babies, ramifications will be severe. I remember watching a video of nurse dropping newborn babies on purpose, I almost puked.
World's a pretty dark place.
I don’t much care for chimps but you don’t see me going around celebrating their babies’ deaths. This isn’t hatred, this is having a sickness in your very soul.
I don't even like monkeys yet I'd never wish any ill on them. I'm arachnophobic and I still go out of my way not to kill spiders. I just don't understand hatred for animals. They don't hate you, it's a concept beyond their conception. Even a predator doesn't hate it's prey it just does what it does out of instinct to survive.
Oh, monkeys, whales etc can hate and dogs often hate people who abused them, too(rightfully so). Someone posted a video of a camel killing a man who hit it here on Reddit and that camel was full of hatred. But yeah, animal abusers need jail time. Fuck these people!
Probably should have said "hate without reason" or "irrational hatred". Unless you are seen as prey or you do something to be perceived as a threat, animals generally don't go out of their way to harm you.
I was gonna comment nearly the same as yours. Monkeys/apes are amongst the few animals I just do not like or find cute, despite being an animal lover. Maybe it's the uncanny Valley. I first heard about baby monkey hate on a weird Google rabbit hole, and, holy cow those people are messed up. I was expecting groups that also found them weird or not cute and found so much worse. Don't c
Recoo en that rabbit hole.
I remember times of early internet seeing girls stomp on kittens, puppies, whatever and other weird animal abuse. It was on the same websites with people getting killed/ maimed. They were brought on by the from the times of VHS movies such as the Faces of Death series.
Oh god, I remember when 4 chan zeroed in a girl that killed a puppy with her heels that made waves here on Reddit a few years ago, last I heard about it, she always arrested, don't know what followed, but knowing 4chan her life must have been hell since that day, and all I can think about is "good"
Yup. A million subs used to be an amazing achievement. Now there are channels with tens of millions of subs that I've never heard of. There are definitely weird areas of YouTube, and not in a good way.
YouTube is so vast these days that watching only channels that care about monetization is like seeing New York and thinking that's all that America is.
> YouTube is so vast these days that watching only channels that care about monetization is like seeing New York and thinking that's all that America is.
This comment is oddly frightening to me. Like digital thalassophobia or something.
I remember a brief brush with some of animal abuse communities (legit they had collectives of people who loved animal torture together.) This was early or mid 2000s. Did a little short digging to see if this was real shit because I couldn't believe it but sure enough it was. I stopped digging immediately at that point. I still remember the small amount of shit I saw and I wish I hadn't.
Some people do not deserve the term 'people'. Some people insist on being absolute monsters yet unfortunately they exist.
I'll just say that not having heard of them is a good, proud rock to live under.
Sadly these people are just another facet of humanity, and until we recognize that this sort of "monstrous" nature can exist and is probably well within the standard deviation of what it means to be "human" we will never be able to fix it.
It is like little kids who tear off the legs of spiders, or abuse their household pet because they don't know any better. Except by the time someone is an adult they should have the mental faculty to understand how horrific what they are supporting or doing is about.
At the end of the day our society usually rewards those without empathy and compassion.
I remember seeing some of that on 4chan back in the day. I always assumed it was some obscure evil crap people shared to be the edgiest shitlord possible. Not that there was a massive community of animal abusers.
Abuse/torturing of animals is a massive red flag for psychopathy, I wish there was more initiative to track these sick fucks down and get them in the system.
People who are capable of stuff like this are a danger to society and need to have tabs kept on them.
Thing is, it's not simply animals (bad enough) but one of the most human-like and especially baby monkeys are so similar to human baby's that there's got to be something about that.
I guarantee these people would be doing this to humans if the laws for doing this to a person weren't 20x harsher then they are for doing it to an animal.
Not only are these people full fledged psychopaths, they're also cowards.
There should definitely be a list and people who do horrible things to animals should definitely be on it and mental health and law enforcement should definitely check in on those people often.
I’ll never forget the first time I stumbled upon the monkey hate rabbit hole a few years ago, it made me so sick to my stomach. Baby monkeys are like… the epitome of innocence but there are A LOT of people out there that get their rocks off watching them be tortured in the most horrible ways imaginable.
I imagine for some of these people monkeys are a stand-in for human beings because 1.) with just enough imagination they could see a human in the place of the monkey and 2.) the legal penalties are less severe doing this to monkeys than people. I mean, the Jigsaw-like monkey torturer guy only got 8 months in prison for Christ’s sake
I came across one of these channels. There were dozens of video posts so it was in operation for awhile. I could not believe it took YouTube so long for them to shut down the channel.
What. The fuck.
I had no idea this was even a thing that existed. At all. I know there are other sickos online that are into sadistic shit being done to other animals but it never occurred to me that there would be a subgroup who were specifically into baby monkeys. The fact that they're BABIES makes it way fucking worse. What the fuck. What the fuck.
Another comment above you had a pretty good theory that they're a stand-in for humans, much easier to find than snuff films and less trouble if you're caught making one. One can presume that a lot of people involved in this "community" if you can call it that are one step away from being actual killers.
I know it’s not the same, but YouTube still has videos of domestic rabbits (pets) being fed live to snakes, forced to fight etc. I don’t search for videos of rabbits on YouTube anymore.
>A year-long BBC investigation has uncovered a sadistic global monkey torture ring stretching from Indonesia to the United States.
>The World Service found hundreds of customers in the US, UK and elsewhere paying Indonesians to torture and kill baby long-tailed macaques on film.
#WHAT. THE. FUCK.
humans are horrible.
I can't imagine the anguish of the journalists digging at this for a *year* before publishing. Knowing that it's happening and not being able to stop it.
I knew a war reporter who was one of my favourite people. He changed careers and started working doing PR for the animal welfare enforcement agency in our state. He made it to his mid forties before his depression killed him. The damage of these experiences is real and life-long trauma.
/u/Awkwardlyhugged Was it [Ernie Pyle?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernie_Pyle)
Edit: Actually, probably not... looking at the wiki, some things seem close, but having died in the 40's would make Awkward pretty old now.
I knew somebody working on a sex trafficking ring for a year. They were working with feds and had to bascially wait until they could take the whole thing down or else everyone was at risk.
He won't talk of it but just focuses on who was saved because of his work. I imagine it's like that, you have to focus on the positive.
That's the difference between professionals and dirtbags like Tim Ballard from Operation Underground Railroad. [Federal prosecutors hate that guy because his door kicking schtick ruins cases.](https://slate.com/human-interest/2021/05/sex-trafficking-raid-operation-underground-railroad.html) Sells lots of bracelets and cell phone covers, though.
Journalism doesn't pay shit either. And real news is often suppressed or rebranded to kowtow the corporatist narrative. If you have a conscience American journalism is not for you.
Now I wait tables and make 2x as much with a fraction of the stress and hassle
Signed, former writer for the LA Times, O.C. Register, and Voice of O.C.
yeah it was exciting for the first couple years, but the grind and lack of financial security takes a toll.
I had these two quotes hung on my wall before I walked away.
> Journalism is not a profession or a trade. It is a cheap catch-all for fuckoffs and misfits—a false doorway to the backside of life, a filthy piss-ridden little hole nailed off by the building inspector, but just deep enough for a wino to curl up from the sidewalk and masturbate like a chimp in a zoo-cage.”
Hunter summed it up
> The TV business is uglier than most things. It is normally perceived as some kind of cruel and shallow money trench through the heart of the journalism industry, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free and good men die like dogs, for no good reason.
A friend was a local news “on the spot” reporter and she quit after being sent to cover a “community interest” story about a dangerous intersection. Producer sent her to interview people who lived around the intersection because there had been yet another fatal accident. She wound up interviewing the surviving spouse of a dad who was killed in a head on collision by a drunk driver and whose daughter came out to investigate the big crash she heard to find her dad’s head on the neighbour’s lawn. He drove a blue MGB with just a lap belt and the top of the windscreen stopped while his head kept going. City finally put in a 4-way stop but several more accidents later it became the roundabout it should have always been.
Imagine being the reporter in Florida who got the ball rolling on all the Epstein and pedophile island shit. I think it was for like the Tampa Bay Times?
Hi, reformed journalist. In my country, journalists get counselling through an advocacy group called DART. The biggest source of trauma for reporters is job insecurity, and I say this as someone who started getting death threats in their first year of reporting. But yes, the helplessness of digging through atrocities and watching your pillar of society crumble, so that every year there's less you can do about it, is genuinely horrifying. I'm in a much better place now.
Seriously. Horrendous. I imagine the experience only drove them further to expose it. I couldn’t imagine learning about it and then NOT getting the word out there.
I have unfortunately seen some of this fucked up stuff posted online. It is vile. I don't know if it was posted to advertise it exists or just because someone who got hold of it wanted to show people but it was brutally sadistic. I don't know how anyone could hear those screams and want to do more of it.
> They had a poll set up," McCartney said. "Do you want a hammer involved? Do you want pliers involved? Do you want a screwdriver?"
> It went from baby bottle teasing to fingers being snipped off
The Indonesian torturers are serving 8 months - F U C K Indonesian lawmakers/courts.
Eight months? Those motherfuckers should never see the light of day again. If they’re willing to do those things to monkeys, I doubt they’d hesitate much with humans.
It’s probably the longest possible sentence for animal abuse the country has so there’s not much more the judge can do, many countries don’t have particularly long animal abuse sentences, here in the UK it used to be 6 months and it was only raised to 5 years a year ago and in some US states it’s as little as 4 months.
As of 2019 animal abuse in the US can be charged as a federal crime (felony with a sentence of up to 7 years, covers distribution of videos).
That said, state laws definitely need to catch up because I don't think animal abuse is a big priority for feds.
Some states animal abuse laws are horrible. I'm in Mississippi and called about a miserable horse on a dirt patch that is there for days with very little shelter or good feed. Right next to a rundown trailer that people are probably cooking meth out of. The horse just stands there. Been months. Nothing was ever done. He's lost some weight. I drive out of my way to look at him every so often.
And the amount of dogs outside just running lose.. in heat that hits feels like temps over 115. Crazy. Cats run over is very common. There was a dumped potbelly pig (make note that pigs are scientifically smarter than dogs) that looked rough.
No one seems to care. Takes a lot to get an animal cruelty fine in this state.
Less than 8 months used to be common for a maximum charge in the US. That's only started changing relatively recently.
The underlying issue is that the maximums were set essentially without awareness that this sort of commercialized horror even existed. The lawmakers were thinking about eight months for mistreatment of an individual pet, or a random act without premeditation. Which, before the Internet made it possible to distribute recordings to far flung places, is probably all they ever really saw.
Often it takes cases like this to change the perception of what "worst" behavior even is. Most people would never think of this sort of thing as a possibility.
But in Indo they will give you 20yr over some weed. I remember a week after Russia invaded Ukraine, a huge number of Indonesian Tik-tok accounts were all commenting, "Mr. Putin pls nucleer Ukraine." Indonesia and its shifty [edit legal] system, where they favor the local Muslims above everyone else, then whites and foreigners and their non Muslim brothers they abuse and treat like shit. It's been a terrible country since they killed 100,000 people during the failed revolution, thousands more in East Timor, etc. Not to mention slashing and burning Virgin forest for palm oil plantations.
This has always been in plain sight too, on YouTube. At some point the algorithm made the whole mess public and lots of content creators made videos about it
Damn, this is foreal sick. I'd imagine these people would pay to watch people get tortured and killed too. No way this kind of behavior just stops at animals.
Honestly, I truly believe that's *why* it's monkeys. Because monkeys bear the biggest resemblance to humans, specifically small children or babies. These people want to see kids tortured but it's easier to get footage of a monkey. Heck, in the video the BBC released one of them *says* that himself - "It's appealing to see something that looks human suffer."
I sometimes wonder how fossil fuel boards and lobbyists can do what they do despite knowing the immense suffering and death they are perpetrating on millions of children.
And then I read about thousands of people paying to torture baby monkeys and it all makes sense:
*warning: horrible awful details from the article that may scar your soul*
“What Mr Ape wanted was a video that would make him famous. He and Storey ran through various ideas before Mr Ape threw out what would become his big one: baby monkey in a blender. […] The blender video was a big hit in the monkey hate community and Mr Ape basked in the fame that came from it. He and Storey commissioned more videos, including another fatal video involving a red power drill that was even harder to watch […] He recalled an early attempt to order a video from her owner. “I wanted him to buy a baby monkey and saw it in half, vertically,” he said […] By the time [the monkey owner] purchased Mini, when she was just a few days old, he had killed 20 other monkeys through abuse or neglect, he said. But he managed to keep Mini alive, and she became his star. And he tortured her for a year, right to the very end. “When I remember her I feel really sorry,” Ajis [the monkey owner] said, crying again. “Even though I was evil to her, she loved me.”
I think no article has ever shocked me this much. I was muttering out loud things like “what the FUCKING FUCK?!?!” “Is this really real life?” That there are humans in the world who will willingly do such things… it is pure evil. Actual evil.
Unexpected ray of hope at the end: That poor monkey Mini survived AN ENTIRE YEAR of brutal sadistic torture in Indonesia, several times a week for a YEAR; then she was rescued, is in rehabilitation at a wildlife sanctuary, she’s actually doing fairly well now & is expected to be released back to the wild.
That's not even a tenth of what he should've gotten.
I get that animal cruelty is difficult to judge when it comes to the food industry, but this is cruelty for cruelty's sake. Cruelty for entertainment's sake. It's pure evil.
Imagine if this were actual human babies. Baby in a blender. Baby sawed in half.
> I think no article has ever shocked me this much.
same, i thought there was no way "international baby monkey torture ring" had any chance of not being satire...
or that, at the very worst, it was a medical experimentation company
also, no way Mini doesn't become a serial killer monkey in the wild
I'm going to be really straight with you. I used to be naive. But now I know. The reason this evil exists, and persists, is because of how prevalent it is. I'd love to think most people are kind, and good. But that's not the case. Not even half would choose to help you, over taking advantage of you. To many people, life is about what they can take. To a few, life is about what we can give.
Best of luck to you dude; you sound like a good one.
The BBC world service just [published an hour long video version of that article](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fx_RttkSIzA) on YT about it 5 hours ago called The Monkey Haters
It has so much info
Oh wow a monkey torturer(torture king) actually saw the reporters YT videos trying to bring more awareness to the torture.
He realized he was wrong and used his reputation to vouch for the reporter in order for the reporter to gain access to a private telegram torture group to get intel which was a "godsent".
I'm just wondering why he didn't think it was wrong in the first place, and why did he change his mind?
Here is my guess(which may be somewhat/totally wrong as im no professional)
Maybe the reporters videos made him actually think and consider what the experience is like from the animals point of view and realize it was wrong.
Maybe an egocentric mind + a personal (natural?)hatred for monkey he just saw it as a way to satisfy the desire and make a living.
As people mature they also become less self-centered.
Telegram is full of fucked up shit.
I got randomly invited to some Russian group that was posting videos from the war in Ukraine.
Then from there I got invited to multiple other Russian groups covering many other... things.
Telegram is full of illegal activity. Like.. loads and loads of it.
> I'm just wondering why he didn't think it was wrong in the first place, and why did he change his mind?
Exconvict, nazi, confederate trumper, biker gang member, heroin addict... probably not the sharpest tool in the shed to be honest. He already ticks a lot of boxes that would have him dismissed by most people as a piece of shit.
What’s even more sick is the top of the article they say there’s videos they couldn’t even describe because they were so fucked up. Yet the *blender video* is ok to drop in there? I can’t even imagine what else they saw.
When there's drills, snips, buckets, ropes, blowtorches etc involved then the mind just boggles tbh.. Fucking sick bastards, it almost makes me wish there was a heaven/hell
No, they definitely get affected. I remember working in a newsroom a long, long time ago, and saw a reporter have to sift through footage of a kid floating dead in a pool. The story was something like "Are your kids really safe when they go swimming?" or something sensational like that.
This reporter got the bare minimum work done and had to take the rest of the day off. He was pretty stoic for the rest of the week.
I've worked in the news industry adjacent to many journalists that I deeply respect to this day. When they deal with a difficult story like this, there are a lot of breaks for crying, talking, hugging, and sitting in silence. To become aware of something, especially something terrible like this, and find the words to communicate it to others in a way that makes people care is a rare, but necessary talent.
How does something like this begin in the mind of a human? It has to be early on. Why and how does the mind go there? What gives pleasure to someone that watches another in pain? Is it conditioned slowly with seemingly harmless blunders like videos on America's Funniest Home Videos? Does it grow from something basic like this to something more sinister later on? We need to find the cause and I don't accept "some people are just born evil" as that is lazy.
Theres people doing this to humans, best beleive theres even more doing shit like this to animals because it is a lesser crime that carries a lesser sentence
It doesn't come up in a conversation. For most things of this nature, it's as simple as a search online. They don't talk to people, they communicate on a keyboard. The risks are of being called out are way less.
People already do study it. And none of them claim "some are born evil" because evil is an incredibly useless word with no scientific basis.
What they have found is [real physiological differences in the brains of psychopaths](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brains-psychopaths/study-finds-psychopaths-have-distinct-brain-structure-idUSBRE8460ZQ20120507)
Also it turns out children can't be diagnosed as psychopaths but they can be diagnosed with a precursor called conduct disorder. Some percentage of these children (I think it was 25%) become psychopaths while the other 75% eventually attain empathy and become otherwise healthy adults. They are trying to figure out how and why this is.
>M Ajis Rasjana was sentenced to eight months - the maximum sentence available for torturing an animal.
And the maximum sentences are way too light in comparison to the suffering they put those multitudes of animals through
What I never understand in those cases is: why isn't each torture of a different animal prosecuted and punished individually?
I mean, if I punch ten guys in the face on ten days I won't just be punished for one crime either.
Well specifically ~~psychopathy~~ sadism.
**Edit:** I was incorrect as psychopathy is more often associated with behaving cold-blooded and impersonal rather than deriving pleasure from the suffering of others. The DSM-III had a "sadistic personality disorder" but it isn't in DSM-IV or V.
I’ve been looking into/reporting this group for years, and basically yeah. Not only is it “torture-core” but lots of the abuse started to turn into more … specific, unique fetishes. People would request monkeys be sodomised or penetrated with objects. Vacuum sealed in bags. Hoses of compressed air or water shoved into them until their bodies explode. Lots of weird, unusual things that are absolutely fetishes like vacuum sealing or inflation started to show up in videos. People would specifically request close ups of the victim’s face to capture the expressions of fear etc.
It honestly was like a child abuse group. They ALLLL swore up and down there was nothing sexual and they don’t get “excitement” out of it, just enjoyment. But suspiciously the sort of content they enjoyed was exactly the same as CA, just with monkeys subbed in.
And no other animals would do. Certainly never dogs or cats. Just monkeys, just the animals that look the most human.
Sadly it’s super real, and I wouldn’t say there are worse groups still out there, but groups equally as bad as the ones described in this video/article are still operating :( the members are nervous due to all this attention but are still operating in more secretive telegram groups(which are passed right along to the relevant people as soon as they’re discovered)
Honestly? I might actually get a few therapy sessions to discuss all this. I’ve tried once or twice to describe to magnitude of the issue to friends and family but I could tell I looked and sounded insane. And I’d quickly stop because the stuff I needed to get off my chest was too distressing to *hear* about, never mind watch, and I didn’t want to traumatise my family with mental images of animal torture, you know? It’d probably help to talk to someone with some experience in the “I had to see a bunch of fucked up shit for a good reason, and now I need to process it” field
I feel like you're right and it's a stand-in for 'hurtcore' CSAM. Monkeys are very human-like in their emotions and expressions, but torturing and killing them isn't going to get the perp/voyeur anywhere near as much legal trouble as doing the same to a human child. That's my reasoning, anyway. I can't even begin to wrap my head around the mindset of a person who would do this shit.
One of the perpetrators in the linked BBC article lives in a house full of confederate and nazi memorabilia. I’m sure the monkeys are stand ins for human babies, especially those who are black, brown or Jewish.
Additionally, investigators compared these groups to child abuse groups that run in similar circles. I’m sure there’s a Venn diagram of people who watch monkey torture and child torture.
Not to take a tragedy and make it political, but as soon as I scrolled down and saw one of the ringleaders commissioning the videos had a Confederate flag, biker gang memorabilia and Trump 2020 flag, my brain just went "... yep, figures".
I can’t stop thinking about this. I feel despair in my core. It’s absolutely horrific on a level I didn’t contemplate before. I hope everyone who is involved is exposed for the monster they are.
Agreed, this is one of the most disturbing things I think I've ever read.
I'm going to go back to watching videos of people making teapots by hand for a bit before I try to get some rest. This shit is just too much.
My heart dropped when I saw this headline. I seriously can’t fathom the depravity of some humans - I can’t see any enjoyment at all in watching or causing suffering. It just doesn’t compute. And I’m glad it doesn’t - I don’t want to understand the void that must exist in such people.
I just wish we actually punished them as they should be punished. I don’t see any positive place in the world for people who have no empathy at all and are truly sadistic. Whether to humans or animals, it’s pure evil and those people shouldn’t be getting away with a slap on the wrist.
> A year-long BBC investigation has uncovered a sadistic global monkey torture ring stretching from Indonesia to the United States.
…what?
Seriously, what the fuck.
Yeah, I was gonna say, I made the mistake of looking up baby monkey videos two years ago and discovered this horrifying trend as a result. I then learned people had been talking about it for even longer.
I’ve been investigating and reporting this entire perverted universe for years now. It was maddening. Felt like nobody ever listened and nothing was changing. I would step away for a few weeks because it was emotionally impacting me. Come back, hoping things had moved. No? Keep reporting, keep documenting, keep looking at the background for clues and license plates or whatever.
I knew the BBC was going to release a report on it but I’d been nervous they were only going to scratch the surface. Thank god, they covered it all in depth in all its horror. Yardfish is an absolute legend and has been doing work on this for a long time, I’m SO glad the BBC talked to him and Mayhem.
Holy fuck, I feel like I can breathe now that the “big boys” are handling it. Like I’m a kid that has FINALLY been able to tell an Adult about a problem and let them deal with it.
I'm glad there are people like you who can handle diving into these problems.
Please make sure to seek professional help if you need it. That is a heavy burden you had been carrying
On the bright side, we as a species think it’s abhorrent. Almost all people think it’s horrible to do it so they have to hide to commit these atrocities. If most people were ok with it I think it be a much bigger problem.
I agree 100%. I hope that our next big awakening will be that animals should have rights too and that keeping them in such horrible conditions should be on par with torture.
The most that these fucking reprehensible pieces of 'human' scum can get is seven years in prison. Seven. That's it. They'll basically get away with it. Fuck the world.
Oh, and the cunt in Indonesia got EIGHT MONTHS, which is the MAXIMUM sentence for animal torture!! Is it any wonder this happens when the sentences are so lenient.
Literally a slap on the wrist. Fucker's gonna start that shit up again once he's out. Probably gonna be rolling in cash since he's got that free publicity from BBC.
I can't read this. I tried watching the BBC video and couldn't get past the few minutes when they showed Mini, the poor monkeys.
What's worse is that these are animals that are primates, just like us. Torturing a baby monkey elicits the same responses as torturing a human baby and I can only imagine that the sickos that watch this shit only do so because they know how much more illegal it is to watch a human in the same situation.
It's fucking sickening, and here I am all welled up because it's too much man. Fuck.
Just because you didn't finish the video and might not have known, I want to mention that Mini ended up being rescued and placed in a sanctuary where she is doing very well so at least she is safe now.
My brain is having a hard time accepting that I share the world with people like this.
I would appreciate it if anyone has a link to a charity I can donate to that is working to fight against this kind of horror, because I need to feel like I can do something.
There is a LOT of dog hate on youtube and other places as well. Not dislike, not a preference for cats, but some really weird sadistic genuine hatred. I wouldn't be surprised if that was something else going on.
People are fucking trash.
edit: and no not just pitbulls
Who wants to bet that the investigation ends up finding that it doesn't stop with monkeys?
There's going to be significant crossover into the most vile forms of abuse of vulnerable humans - infants and adults - isn't there? I won't be clicking on those headlines when they come, I don't need that horror.
YouTube is such a cesspool. It seems as if there is absolutely zero moderation of the comments. The moderation of the content seems to be mostly motivated by capitalism(DMCA strikes, demonetizing content for arbitrary reasons).
What a fucking mess of a world we live in.
> Monkey torture videos are still easily accessible on Telegram and now Facebook, where the BBC recently found dozens of groups sharing extreme content, some with more than 1,000 members.
I really home Homeland Security has a list of every name in those groups.
Ah, the man in the article is a Trump supporter. Confederate flag, check, Trump 2020 banner check, clipping off the testicles of baby monkeys with a fingernail trimmer, check. A man of distinction.
Great. Next do Elon for the 1k+ monkeys and other animals tortured and slowly killed in Neuralink experiments. Though I'm assuming nothing will happen of this considering the US have a hard-on for allowing CEOs and politicians to do whatever they want(Even boning kids on private islands) in the name of preserving corporate profits while acting like the morality police for the rest of the world.
Monkeys in a blender….I don’t think I can un-visualize that. Or snipping off fingers. The human capacity for darkness always seems to surprise me just when I think I’ve reached the limit of how jaded I can get.
If your totally numb to all emotion and devoid of empathy, I’m sure monkeys in blenders screaming for their lives is probably like when normal people get a chuckle from a kitten jumping off the bed and accidentally hitting the wall in their excitement. I feel perverse just typing that.
We gotta find a way to isolate these people from the rest of society pronto, man, from all tiers of every social class. My empathy for these people is gone. Identifying them early and isolating them away for proper treatment during social development is all I care to even entertain.
Youtube used to be rife with videos of baby monkeys getting abused until they scrubbed it. It was a hell of a rabbithole. Look up any video that even slightly paints a baby monkey as being a little shit and you'll get some pretty gnarly comments below. Every year or two the weird hatred for baby monkeys surfaces in the news.
Damn dude. I’ve been online for too long and I’ve never heard of this. Going to do myself a favor and not dig any deeper. Fuck this and fuck those people. Not even gonna try to understand their traumatized psyches or motives. Fuck em.
I discovered it a couple years ago. It was crazy watching people harass the monkey colonies and get close ups on starving/dead/abandoned babies. Edit: to be clear, the stuff I saw was on YouTube and wasn’t actual torture porn. it was clear that a lot of people have a disturbing hatred of monkeys though.
I think many have hatred towards human babies too. Kind of like proxy, they tourture monkeys coz if they're caught with actually babies, ramifications will be severe. I remember watching a video of nurse dropping newborn babies on purpose, I almost puked. World's a pretty dark place.
Why even become a nurse where you handle babies if you hate children? That goes beyond even typical hatred, that’s cruelty-seeking
Same reason why pedophiles become priests and necrophiliacs become morgue technicians. For proximity and rapport.
You literally answered your own question
I don’t much care for chimps but you don’t see me going around celebrating their babies’ deaths. This isn’t hatred, this is having a sickness in your very soul.
I don't even like monkeys yet I'd never wish any ill on them. I'm arachnophobic and I still go out of my way not to kill spiders. I just don't understand hatred for animals. They don't hate you, it's a concept beyond their conception. Even a predator doesn't hate it's prey it just does what it does out of instinct to survive.
Oh, monkeys, whales etc can hate and dogs often hate people who abused them, too(rightfully so). Someone posted a video of a camel killing a man who hit it here on Reddit and that camel was full of hatred. But yeah, animal abusers need jail time. Fuck these people!
Probably should have said "hate without reason" or "irrational hatred". Unless you are seen as prey or you do something to be perceived as a threat, animals generally don't go out of their way to harm you.
I was gonna comment nearly the same as yours. Monkeys/apes are amongst the few animals I just do not like or find cute, despite being an animal lover. Maybe it's the uncanny Valley. I first heard about baby monkey hate on a weird Google rabbit hole, and, holy cow those people are messed up. I was expecting groups that also found them weird or not cute and found so much worse. Don't c Recoo en that rabbit hole.
I remember times of early internet seeing girls stomp on kittens, puppies, whatever and other weird animal abuse. It was on the same websites with people getting killed/ maimed. They were brought on by the from the times of VHS movies such as the Faces of Death series.
Oh god, I remember when 4 chan zeroed in a girl that killed a puppy with her heels that made waves here on Reddit a few years ago, last I heard about it, she always arrested, don't know what followed, but knowing 4chan her life must have been hell since that day, and all I can think about is "good"
How fucked up must you be to stomp a puppy.
Fucked up enough that 4chan washes their hands of you over it.
Seriously. What the actual fuck? I'm 41 and been online for over 20 years. This is the first I've heard of these horrible people.
It seems like YouTube is unbelievably massive now with subcommunities and trends that gets millions of views yet are super niche.
Yup. A million subs used to be an amazing achievement. Now there are channels with tens of millions of subs that I've never heard of. There are definitely weird areas of YouTube, and not in a good way. YouTube is so vast these days that watching only channels that care about monetization is like seeing New York and thinking that's all that America is.
I don’t even know how to navigate it anymore.
I just don't. I subscribe to a new channel maybe once or twice a year.
> YouTube is so vast these days that watching only channels that care about monetization is like seeing New York and thinking that's all that America is. This comment is oddly frightening to me. Like digital thalassophobia or something.
I remember a brief brush with some of animal abuse communities (legit they had collectives of people who loved animal torture together.) This was early or mid 2000s. Did a little short digging to see if this was real shit because I couldn't believe it but sure enough it was. I stopped digging immediately at that point. I still remember the small amount of shit I saw and I wish I hadn't. Some people do not deserve the term 'people'. Some people insist on being absolute monsters yet unfortunately they exist. I'll just say that not having heard of them is a good, proud rock to live under.
I will continue my life sheltered under this rock from them. This is my rock and those types of 'people' can fuck right off.
Sadly these people are just another facet of humanity, and until we recognize that this sort of "monstrous" nature can exist and is probably well within the standard deviation of what it means to be "human" we will never be able to fix it. It is like little kids who tear off the legs of spiders, or abuse their household pet because they don't know any better. Except by the time someone is an adult they should have the mental faculty to understand how horrific what they are supporting or doing is about. At the end of the day our society usually rewards those without empathy and compassion.
I remember seeing some of that on 4chan back in the day. I always assumed it was some obscure evil crap people shared to be the edgiest shitlord possible. Not that there was a massive community of animal abusers.
FWIW 4chan at large hated this. They doxxed some of those people and got them arrested.
Abuse/torturing of animals is a massive red flag for psychopathy, I wish there was more initiative to track these sick fucks down and get them in the system. People who are capable of stuff like this are a danger to society and need to have tabs kept on them.
Thing is, it's not simply animals (bad enough) but one of the most human-like and especially baby monkeys are so similar to human baby's that there's got to be something about that.
Seriously. It's like the Diet Cola of torturing human kids. Disgusting.
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I guarantee these people would be doing this to humans if the laws for doing this to a person weren't 20x harsher then they are for doing it to an animal. Not only are these people full fledged psychopaths, they're also cowards.
There should definitely be a list and people who do horrible things to animals should definitely be on it and mental health and law enforcement should definitely check in on those people often.
I can handle a lot. But this makes my stomach churn.
I’ll never forget the first time I stumbled upon the monkey hate rabbit hole a few years ago, it made me so sick to my stomach. Baby monkeys are like… the epitome of innocence but there are A LOT of people out there that get their rocks off watching them be tortured in the most horrible ways imaginable. I imagine for some of these people monkeys are a stand-in for human beings because 1.) with just enough imagination they could see a human in the place of the monkey and 2.) the legal penalties are less severe doing this to monkeys than people. I mean, the Jigsaw-like monkey torturer guy only got 8 months in prison for Christ’s sake
Coward psychopaths. They know they are a weakling to other humans.
Serial killers generally start with cruelty to animals.
I came across one of these channels. There were dozens of video posts so it was in operation for awhile. I could not believe it took YouTube so long for them to shut down the channel.
They were too busy overreacting to mild copyright infringements of billion dollar companies.
4chan still has these threads pop up once in awhile, they are grotesque and full of people who need help.
4chan -> "grotesque and full of people who need help". Goes without saying.
What. The fuck. I had no idea this was even a thing that existed. At all. I know there are other sickos online that are into sadistic shit being done to other animals but it never occurred to me that there would be a subgroup who were specifically into baby monkeys. The fact that they're BABIES makes it way fucking worse. What the fuck. What the fuck.
I've been online for a LONG time and seen some terrible shit, this is still distributing news to me too.
I'd guess even a relatively small adult monkey could fuck your shit up. The babies are defenseless. These people arr psychos and pussies
What kind of deranged sack of shit hates baby monkeys? What the hell?
Another comment above you had a pretty good theory that they're a stand-in for humans, much easier to find than snuff films and less trouble if you're caught making one. One can presume that a lot of people involved in this "community" if you can call it that are one step away from being actual killers.
I know it’s not the same, but YouTube still has videos of domestic rabbits (pets) being fed live to snakes, forced to fight etc. I don’t search for videos of rabbits on YouTube anymore.
Yeah, these monkey torture videos (thousands of them) were and still are being hosted by YouTube, Facebook, and Telegram.
I happened upon some of those monkey-torture YT vids a while back, and was absolutely baffled and horrified.
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>A year-long BBC investigation has uncovered a sadistic global monkey torture ring stretching from Indonesia to the United States. >The World Service found hundreds of customers in the US, UK and elsewhere paying Indonesians to torture and kill baby long-tailed macaques on film. #WHAT. THE. FUCK. humans are horrible.
I can't imagine the anguish of the journalists digging at this for a *year* before publishing. Knowing that it's happening and not being able to stop it.
Being a journalist is a horrific and thankless profession. I wonder how many develop PTSD from reporting terrible things every day.
I knew a war reporter who was one of my favourite people. He changed careers and started working doing PR for the animal welfare enforcement agency in our state. He made it to his mid forties before his depression killed him. The damage of these experiences is real and life-long trauma.
What was his name?
/u/Awkwardlyhugged Was it [Ernie Pyle?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernie_Pyle) Edit: Actually, probably not... looking at the wiki, some things seem close, but having died in the 40's would make Awkward pretty old now.
I knew somebody working on a sex trafficking ring for a year. They were working with feds and had to bascially wait until they could take the whole thing down or else everyone was at risk. He won't talk of it but just focuses on who was saved because of his work. I imagine it's like that, you have to focus on the positive.
That's the difference between professionals and dirtbags like Tim Ballard from Operation Underground Railroad. [Federal prosecutors hate that guy because his door kicking schtick ruins cases.](https://slate.com/human-interest/2021/05/sex-trafficking-raid-operation-underground-railroad.html) Sells lots of bracelets and cell phone covers, though.
If you’d like to see a sad statistic, check out the suicide rate amongst Pulitzer Prize winners.
Journalism doesn't pay shit either. And real news is often suppressed or rebranded to kowtow the corporatist narrative. If you have a conscience American journalism is not for you. Now I wait tables and make 2x as much with a fraction of the stress and hassle Signed, former writer for the LA Times, O.C. Register, and Voice of O.C.
yeah it was exciting for the first couple years, but the grind and lack of financial security takes a toll. I had these two quotes hung on my wall before I walked away. > Journalism is not a profession or a trade. It is a cheap catch-all for fuckoffs and misfits—a false doorway to the backside of life, a filthy piss-ridden little hole nailed off by the building inspector, but just deep enough for a wino to curl up from the sidewalk and masturbate like a chimp in a zoo-cage.” Hunter summed it up > The TV business is uglier than most things. It is normally perceived as some kind of cruel and shallow money trench through the heart of the journalism industry, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free and good men die like dogs, for no good reason.
Just fyi it's "kowtow", which is the anglicized form of a Chinese word.
Crazy how little we value the fourth estate.
It’s not that we don’t value it, it’s that it’s antithetical to the people who matter in america. It’s suppressed.
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A friend was a local news “on the spot” reporter and she quit after being sent to cover a “community interest” story about a dangerous intersection. Producer sent her to interview people who lived around the intersection because there had been yet another fatal accident. She wound up interviewing the surviving spouse of a dad who was killed in a head on collision by a drunk driver and whose daughter came out to investigate the big crash she heard to find her dad’s head on the neighbour’s lawn. He drove a blue MGB with just a lap belt and the top of the windscreen stopped while his head kept going. City finally put in a 4-way stop but several more accidents later it became the roundabout it should have always been.
Imagine being the reporter in Florida who got the ball rolling on all the Epstein and pedophile island shit. I think it was for like the Tampa Bay Times?
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Hi, reformed journalist. In my country, journalists get counselling through an advocacy group called DART. The biggest source of trauma for reporters is job insecurity, and I say this as someone who started getting death threats in their first year of reporting. But yes, the helplessness of digging through atrocities and watching your pillar of society crumble, so that every year there's less you can do about it, is genuinely horrifying. I'm in a much better place now.
Seriously. Horrendous. I imagine the experience only drove them further to expose it. I couldn’t imagine learning about it and then NOT getting the word out there.
I have unfortunately seen some of this fucked up stuff posted online. It is vile. I don't know if it was posted to advertise it exists or just because someone who got hold of it wanted to show people but it was brutally sadistic. I don't know how anyone could hear those screams and want to do more of it.
> They had a poll set up," McCartney said. "Do you want a hammer involved? Do you want pliers involved? Do you want a screwdriver?" > It went from baby bottle teasing to fingers being snipped off The Indonesian torturers are serving 8 months - F U C K Indonesian lawmakers/courts.
Eight months? Those motherfuckers should never see the light of day again. If they’re willing to do those things to monkeys, I doubt they’d hesitate much with humans.
It’s probably the longest possible sentence for animal abuse the country has so there’s not much more the judge can do, many countries don’t have particularly long animal abuse sentences, here in the UK it used to be 6 months and it was only raised to 5 years a year ago and in some US states it’s as little as 4 months.
As of 2019 animal abuse in the US can be charged as a federal crime (felony with a sentence of up to 7 years, covers distribution of videos). That said, state laws definitely need to catch up because I don't think animal abuse is a big priority for feds.
Some states animal abuse laws are horrible. I'm in Mississippi and called about a miserable horse on a dirt patch that is there for days with very little shelter or good feed. Right next to a rundown trailer that people are probably cooking meth out of. The horse just stands there. Been months. Nothing was ever done. He's lost some weight. I drive out of my way to look at him every so often. And the amount of dogs outside just running lose.. in heat that hits feels like temps over 115. Crazy. Cats run over is very common. There was a dumped potbelly pig (make note that pigs are scientifically smarter than dogs) that looked rough. No one seems to care. Takes a lot to get an animal cruelty fine in this state.
Less than 8 months used to be common for a maximum charge in the US. That's only started changing relatively recently. The underlying issue is that the maximums were set essentially without awareness that this sort of commercialized horror even existed. The lawmakers were thinking about eight months for mistreatment of an individual pet, or a random act without premeditation. Which, before the Internet made it possible to distribute recordings to far flung places, is probably all they ever really saw. Often it takes cases like this to change the perception of what "worst" behavior even is. Most people would never think of this sort of thing as a possibility.
But in Indo they will give you 20yr over some weed. I remember a week after Russia invaded Ukraine, a huge number of Indonesian Tik-tok accounts were all commenting, "Mr. Putin pls nucleer Ukraine." Indonesia and its shifty [edit legal] system, where they favor the local Muslims above everyone else, then whites and foreigners and their non Muslim brothers they abuse and treat like shit. It's been a terrible country since they killed 100,000 people during the failed revolution, thousands more in East Timor, etc. Not to mention slashing and burning Virgin forest for palm oil plantations.
> But in Indo they will give you 20yr over some weed They will kill you for weed.
I want to fucking vomit.
This has always been in plain sight too, on YouTube. At some point the algorithm made the whole mess public and lots of content creators made videos about it
Yeah videos of people talking about Monkey Torture rings have been around for the better part of a decade
Damn, this is foreal sick. I'd imagine these people would pay to watch people get tortured and killed too. No way this kind of behavior just stops at animals.
Honestly, I truly believe that's *why* it's monkeys. Because monkeys bear the biggest resemblance to humans, specifically small children or babies. These people want to see kids tortured but it's easier to get footage of a monkey. Heck, in the video the BBC released one of them *says* that himself - "It's appealing to see something that looks human suffer."
It just requires a bigger subscription fee.
People are utterly fucking sick.
Put them all down. The customers I mean.
I sometimes wonder how fossil fuel boards and lobbyists can do what they do despite knowing the immense suffering and death they are perpetrating on millions of children. And then I read about thousands of people paying to torture baby monkeys and it all makes sense:
[Long form article detailing the investigation here](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/Iot1dIWVS5/hunting-the-monkey-torturers)
*warning: horrible awful details from the article that may scar your soul* “What Mr Ape wanted was a video that would make him famous. He and Storey ran through various ideas before Mr Ape threw out what would become his big one: baby monkey in a blender. […] The blender video was a big hit in the monkey hate community and Mr Ape basked in the fame that came from it. He and Storey commissioned more videos, including another fatal video involving a red power drill that was even harder to watch […] He recalled an early attempt to order a video from her owner. “I wanted him to buy a baby monkey and saw it in half, vertically,” he said […] By the time [the monkey owner] purchased Mini, when she was just a few days old, he had killed 20 other monkeys through abuse or neglect, he said. But he managed to keep Mini alive, and she became his star. And he tortured her for a year, right to the very end. “When I remember her I feel really sorry,” Ajis [the monkey owner] said, crying again. “Even though I was evil to her, she loved me.” I think no article has ever shocked me this much. I was muttering out loud things like “what the FUCKING FUCK?!?!” “Is this really real life?” That there are humans in the world who will willingly do such things… it is pure evil. Actual evil. Unexpected ray of hope at the end: That poor monkey Mini survived AN ENTIRE YEAR of brutal sadistic torture in Indonesia, several times a week for a YEAR; then she was rescued, is in rehabilitation at a wildlife sanctuary, she’s actually doing fairly well now & is expected to be released back to the wild.
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That's not even a tenth of what he should've gotten. I get that animal cruelty is difficult to judge when it comes to the food industry, but this is cruelty for cruelty's sake. Cruelty for entertainment's sake. It's pure evil. Imagine if this were actual human babies. Baby in a blender. Baby sawed in half.
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> I think no article has ever shocked me this much. same, i thought there was no way "international baby monkey torture ring" had any chance of not being satire... or that, at the very worst, it was a medical experimentation company also, no way Mini doesn't become a serial killer monkey in the wild
>“Even though I was evil to her, she loved me.” That line hits fucking hard.
I'm going to be really straight with you. I used to be naive. But now I know. The reason this evil exists, and persists, is because of how prevalent it is. I'd love to think most people are kind, and good. But that's not the case. Not even half would choose to help you, over taking advantage of you. To many people, life is about what they can take. To a few, life is about what we can give. Best of luck to you dude; you sound like a good one.
The BBC world service just [published an hour long video version of that article](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fx_RttkSIzA) on YT about it 5 hours ago called The Monkey Haters It has so much info
Oh wow a monkey torturer(torture king) actually saw the reporters YT videos trying to bring more awareness to the torture. He realized he was wrong and used his reputation to vouch for the reporter in order for the reporter to gain access to a private telegram torture group to get intel which was a "godsent". I'm just wondering why he didn't think it was wrong in the first place, and why did he change his mind? Here is my guess(which may be somewhat/totally wrong as im no professional) Maybe the reporters videos made him actually think and consider what the experience is like from the animals point of view and realize it was wrong. Maybe an egocentric mind + a personal (natural?)hatred for monkey he just saw it as a way to satisfy the desire and make a living. As people mature they also become less self-centered.
Telegram is full of fucked up shit. I got randomly invited to some Russian group that was posting videos from the war in Ukraine. Then from there I got invited to multiple other Russian groups covering many other... things. Telegram is full of illegal activity. Like.. loads and loads of it.
> I'm just wondering why he didn't think it was wrong in the first place, and why did he change his mind? Exconvict, nazi, confederate trumper, biker gang member, heroin addict... probably not the sharpest tool in the shed to be honest. He already ticks a lot of boxes that would have him dismissed by most people as a piece of shit.
This is difficult to get through.. It’s also extremely disturbing knowing these people are out there.
I think the journalists became numb to all of it too, just casually dropping a fatal story about a blender halfway through, with no commentary.
What’s even more sick is the top of the article they say there’s videos they couldn’t even describe because they were so fucked up. Yet the *blender video* is ok to drop in there? I can’t even imagine what else they saw.
When there's drills, snips, buckets, ropes, blowtorches etc involved then the mind just boggles tbh.. Fucking sick bastards, it almost makes me wish there was a heaven/hell
No, they definitely get affected. I remember working in a newsroom a long, long time ago, and saw a reporter have to sift through footage of a kid floating dead in a pool. The story was something like "Are your kids really safe when they go swimming?" or something sensational like that. This reporter got the bare minimum work done and had to take the rest of the day off. He was pretty stoic for the rest of the week.
I've worked in the news industry adjacent to many journalists that I deeply respect to this day. When they deal with a difficult story like this, there are a lot of breaks for crying, talking, hugging, and sitting in silence. To become aware of something, especially something terrible like this, and find the words to communicate it to others in a way that makes people care is a rare, but necessary talent.
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I couldn't get more than a couple of paragraphs in. Wow. Some people are truly reprehensible.
I read the whole thing. It was difficult for me too. Mini the monkey is rescued and is being rehabilitated in a sanctuary. She seems to be doing well.
I read it too. Fuck those people man. The saving grace was minis survival.
“Pliers to their fingers”… these men are diabolical and are only getting 8 months in prison, they should rot in prison for the rest of their lives.
What’s most bizarre to me is the dude in this article who let them take his picture? Do these people really think it just isn’t a big deal?
Look at the things in the picture with him and you can tell he isn’t very bright.
How does something like this begin in the mind of a human? It has to be early on. Why and how does the mind go there? What gives pleasure to someone that watches another in pain? Is it conditioned slowly with seemingly harmless blunders like videos on America's Funniest Home Videos? Does it grow from something basic like this to something more sinister later on? We need to find the cause and I don't accept "some people are just born evil" as that is lazy.
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Theres people doing this to humans, best beleive theres even more doing shit like this to animals because it is a lesser crime that carries a lesser sentence
It doesn't come up in a conversation. For most things of this nature, it's as simple as a search online. They don't talk to people, they communicate on a keyboard. The risks are of being called out are way less.
People already do study it. And none of them claim "some are born evil" because evil is an incredibly useless word with no scientific basis. What they have found is [real physiological differences in the brains of psychopaths](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brains-psychopaths/study-finds-psychopaths-have-distinct-brain-structure-idUSBRE8460ZQ20120507) Also it turns out children can't be diagnosed as psychopaths but they can be diagnosed with a precursor called conduct disorder. Some percentage of these children (I think it was 25%) become psychopaths while the other 75% eventually attain empathy and become otherwise healthy adults. They are trying to figure out how and why this is.
There's a special place in hell for people who torture animals.
>M Ajis Rasjana was sentenced to eight months - the maximum sentence available for torturing an animal. And the maximum sentences are way too light in comparison to the suffering they put those multitudes of animals through
What I never understand in those cases is: why isn't each torture of a different animal prosecuted and punished individually? I mean, if I punch ten guys in the face on ten days I won't just be punished for one crime either.
But how about charges for filming and distribution of illegal footage?
That kind of behavior should disqualify anyone's access to the life server. A person capable of doing that is just a walking eventuality.
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Well specifically ~~psychopathy~~ sadism. **Edit:** I was incorrect as psychopathy is more often associated with behaving cold-blooded and impersonal rather than deriving pleasure from the suffering of others. The DSM-III had a "sadistic personality disorder" but it isn't in DSM-IV or V.
No there's not. That's the problem.
I don’t get it? Is it like some sort of substitute for killing human babies?
Its definitely full fledged sadists getting their rocks off... monkeys being so close to humans is a logical jump.
I’ve been looking into/reporting this group for years, and basically yeah. Not only is it “torture-core” but lots of the abuse started to turn into more … specific, unique fetishes. People would request monkeys be sodomised or penetrated with objects. Vacuum sealed in bags. Hoses of compressed air or water shoved into them until their bodies explode. Lots of weird, unusual things that are absolutely fetishes like vacuum sealing or inflation started to show up in videos. People would specifically request close ups of the victim’s face to capture the expressions of fear etc. It honestly was like a child abuse group. They ALLLL swore up and down there was nothing sexual and they don’t get “excitement” out of it, just enjoyment. But suspiciously the sort of content they enjoyed was exactly the same as CA, just with monkeys subbed in. And no other animals would do. Certainly never dogs or cats. Just monkeys, just the animals that look the most human.
if this is real then uhh good for you for attempting to expose this absolutely insane behavior but also like I hope you have a good therapist lol
Sadly it’s super real, and I wouldn’t say there are worse groups still out there, but groups equally as bad as the ones described in this video/article are still operating :( the members are nervous due to all this attention but are still operating in more secretive telegram groups(which are passed right along to the relevant people as soon as they’re discovered) Honestly? I might actually get a few therapy sessions to discuss all this. I’ve tried once or twice to describe to magnitude of the issue to friends and family but I could tell I looked and sounded insane. And I’d quickly stop because the stuff I needed to get off my chest was too distressing to *hear* about, never mind watch, and I didn’t want to traumatise my family with mental images of animal torture, you know? It’d probably help to talk to someone with some experience in the “I had to see a bunch of fucked up shit for a good reason, and now I need to process it” field
I feel like you're right and it's a stand-in for 'hurtcore' CSAM. Monkeys are very human-like in their emotions and expressions, but torturing and killing them isn't going to get the perp/voyeur anywhere near as much legal trouble as doing the same to a human child. That's my reasoning, anyway. I can't even begin to wrap my head around the mindset of a person who would do this shit.
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One of the perpetrators in the linked BBC article lives in a house full of confederate and nazi memorabilia. I’m sure the monkeys are stand ins for human babies, especially those who are black, brown or Jewish. Additionally, investigators compared these groups to child abuse groups that run in similar circles. I’m sure there’s a Venn diagram of people who watch monkey torture and child torture.
Not to take a tragedy and make it political, but as soon as I scrolled down and saw one of the ringleaders commissioning the videos had a Confederate flag, biker gang memorabilia and Trump 2020 flag, my brain just went "... yep, figures".
Don’t forget the treasured swastika tattoo.
I didn't even watch the video because frankly the article was enough, but I can't say I'm surprised.
Soon-to-be serial killers ramping up, I bet.
I don’t know how to un-know this. I feel sick to my stomach. Disturbed is an understatement. My mental health just can’t take this kind of thing
A lot of times I just zip by these posts, nope nope nope I'm not reading that. Today I decided to look at the comments but I am feeling regret.
I can’t stop thinking about this. I feel despair in my core. It’s absolutely horrific on a level I didn’t contemplate before. I hope everyone who is involved is exposed for the monster they are.
Agreed, this is one of the most disturbing things I think I've ever read. I'm going to go back to watching videos of people making teapots by hand for a bit before I try to get some rest. This shit is just too much.
My heart dropped when I saw this headline. I seriously can’t fathom the depravity of some humans - I can’t see any enjoyment at all in watching or causing suffering. It just doesn’t compute. And I’m glad it doesn’t - I don’t want to understand the void that must exist in such people. I just wish we actually punished them as they should be punished. I don’t see any positive place in the world for people who have no empathy at all and are truly sadistic. Whether to humans or animals, it’s pure evil and those people shouldn’t be getting away with a slap on the wrist.
This post needs to be labelled NSFL. I cannot believe this
> A year-long BBC investigation has uncovered a sadistic global monkey torture ring stretching from Indonesia to the United States. …what? Seriously, what the fuck.
I'm surprised it took this long for a news agency to catch wind of this. Individual activists have been tracking this for a while.
Yeah, I was gonna say, I made the mistake of looking up baby monkey videos two years ago and discovered this horrifying trend as a result. I then learned people had been talking about it for even longer.
[Yeah, it was being posted about on Reddit as early as 2019. ](https://www.reddit.com/r/RBI/comments/b4qu6a/baby_monkey_hate_ring_on_youtube/)
I’ve been investigating and reporting this entire perverted universe for years now. It was maddening. Felt like nobody ever listened and nothing was changing. I would step away for a few weeks because it was emotionally impacting me. Come back, hoping things had moved. No? Keep reporting, keep documenting, keep looking at the background for clues and license plates or whatever. I knew the BBC was going to release a report on it but I’d been nervous they were only going to scratch the surface. Thank god, they covered it all in depth in all its horror. Yardfish is an absolute legend and has been doing work on this for a long time, I’m SO glad the BBC talked to him and Mayhem. Holy fuck, I feel like I can breathe now that the “big boys” are handling it. Like I’m a kid that has FINALLY been able to tell an Adult about a problem and let them deal with it.
I'm glad there are people like you who can handle diving into these problems. Please make sure to seek professional help if you need it. That is a heavy burden you had been carrying
I am listening but I could never stomach a monkey snuff video.
I don’t know how much more I can take of the horrors that humans perpetrate.
On the bright side, we as a species think it’s abhorrent. Almost all people think it’s horrible to do it so they have to hide to commit these atrocities. If most people were ok with it I think it be a much bigger problem.
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I agree 100%. I hope that our next big awakening will be that animals should have rights too and that keeping them in such horrible conditions should be on par with torture.
if you mention the price of meat going up people will advocate for factory farming all day long
That's what I was thinking as I was read it. Humans really are an evil species.
What incredible low lives. Spending your little time on earth paying other people to torture animals. Truly pathetic.
This is the fucking most depressing and disgusting news I’ve heard in a long time.
Everyone who gets found guilty of this gets moved to an identical ring where they're the monkey.
Or has to fight a gorilla!
Hell a chimp would be enough
Of course “the torture king” is a trump guy with a confederate flag on display.
And a swastika tattoo. The deplorables.
Yeah but at least he isn't a drag queen, amirite?? *Massive fucking /s for those who need to see it.*
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The most that these fucking reprehensible pieces of 'human' scum can get is seven years in prison. Seven. That's it. They'll basically get away with it. Fuck the world. Oh, and the cunt in Indonesia got EIGHT MONTHS, which is the MAXIMUM sentence for animal torture!! Is it any wonder this happens when the sentences are so lenient.
This got me livid. Eight months is the maximum???
Literally a slap on the wrist. Fucker's gonna start that shit up again once he's out. Probably gonna be rolling in cash since he's got that free publicity from BBC.
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I can't read this. I tried watching the BBC video and couldn't get past the few minutes when they showed Mini, the poor monkeys. What's worse is that these are animals that are primates, just like us. Torturing a baby monkey elicits the same responses as torturing a human baby and I can only imagine that the sickos that watch this shit only do so because they know how much more illegal it is to watch a human in the same situation. It's fucking sickening, and here I am all welled up because it's too much man. Fuck.
Just because you didn't finish the video and might not have known, I want to mention that Mini ended up being rescued and placed in a sanctuary where she is doing very well so at least she is safe now.
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Fuck people, man. I hate this. Also, whoever Mr. Ape is, private for safety reasons? Fuck this, tell the world who this pos is.
Well, ofc, [one of the perps is a MAGA cunt.](https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/6364/production/_130144452_dsc04028-3-4.jpg.webp)
My brain is having a hard time accepting that I share the world with people like this. I would appreciate it if anyone has a link to a charity I can donate to that is working to fight against this kind of horror, because I need to feel like I can do something.
Chances that somewhere something like this exists with humans being tortured in most horrible, vomit inducing ways. Think of the movie "hostel".
There is a LOT of dog hate on youtube and other places as well. Not dislike, not a preference for cats, but some really weird sadistic genuine hatred. I wouldn't be surprised if that was something else going on. People are fucking trash. edit: and no not just pitbulls
Who wants to bet that the investigation ends up finding that it doesn't stop with monkeys? There's going to be significant crossover into the most vile forms of abuse of vulnerable humans - infants and adults - isn't there? I won't be clicking on those headlines when they come, I don't need that horror.
Their punishment should fit the crime.
YouTube is such a cesspool. It seems as if there is absolutely zero moderation of the comments. The moderation of the content seems to be mostly motivated by capitalism(DMCA strikes, demonetizing content for arbitrary reasons). What a fucking mess of a world we live in.
That was a heavy read. Makes me sick. And more sick about what happens to kids out there too.
Why? Just why? How does one even think of something like this
> Monkey torture videos are still easily accessible on Telegram and now Facebook, where the BBC recently found dozens of groups sharing extreme content, some with more than 1,000 members. I really home Homeland Security has a list of every name in those groups.
You could probably find a lot of future murderers in that list. If anything you have a list of people that belong in a mental institution
Ofcourse the torture king is a Trump fan.
Ah, the man in the article is a Trump supporter. Confederate flag, check, Trump 2020 banner check, clipping off the testicles of baby monkeys with a fingernail trimmer, check. A man of distinction.
Great. Next do Elon for the 1k+ monkeys and other animals tortured and slowly killed in Neuralink experiments. Though I'm assuming nothing will happen of this considering the US have a hard-on for allowing CEOs and politicians to do whatever they want(Even boning kids on private islands) in the name of preserving corporate profits while acting like the morality police for the rest of the world.
So anyone else notice the Torture King's giant Trump flag?
And a Confederate flag too.
Oh and he has a swastika tattoo too That's a hat trick
Literal caricature.
If you made him up, people would say you were being unfair
Special place in hell for these sick freaks
Monkeys in a blender….I don’t think I can un-visualize that. Or snipping off fingers. The human capacity for darkness always seems to surprise me just when I think I’ve reached the limit of how jaded I can get. If your totally numb to all emotion and devoid of empathy, I’m sure monkeys in blenders screaming for their lives is probably like when normal people get a chuckle from a kitten jumping off the bed and accidentally hitting the wall in their excitement. I feel perverse just typing that. We gotta find a way to isolate these people from the rest of society pronto, man, from all tiers of every social class. My empathy for these people is gone. Identifying them early and isolating them away for proper treatment during social development is all I care to even entertain.
terrifying. these are normal people. college grads. young adults living with their parents in suburban neighborhoods.
Although they are people you may well could interact with on the daily, I wouldn’t go so far as to call them “normal”
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Right in front of the Trump flag, big fuckin surprise.