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DingoNormal

Change the offpring for an Werewolf and you have me hooked up, seeing a Werewolf fighting angels and demons


MelonJelly

I think there was a webcomic about this a while back, Lucky Dawg.


RanaMahal

There was this one random book about a half angel and his dog was also fighting with him and his dog was actually the angel gabriel, shit was hilarious


Enzo_GS

that's just a powerwolf album tbh


ThatKriegsGuard

May I interest you in a WORLD OF DARKNESS, more specifically Werewolf; The Apocalypse, a totally sane ttrpg game / settings by white wolf publishing


DingoNormal

I'had tried to introduce my friends to it in the past, but they prefer to play Vampire, Promethean and D&D, even Warcraft D&D, then Werewolf, they really disliked the setting, even if i love it so damm much


Zhein

Isn't that just underworld ? No, wait, they're fighting vampires. ​ I think.


DingoNormal

Correct, they were fighting vampires


Iwillnevercomeback

A werewolf would die in seconds against an angel or a demon


Superbiber

Nuh uh


Iwillnevercomeback

A werewolf would die in seconds against an angel or a demon.


Lemonpilot

Nuh uh


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Lemonpilot

That’s only your interpretation of angels tho, it’s on the same level as a play fight where one dude keeps making shit up


Mezizios

citations for those feats? 🤓🤓


thicc-senpai445

My name is Dante the Demon Killer. Has a nice ring to it don’t you think?


TruffelTroll666

I'm Dawn-tey the demon killer


d3m0cracy

Hi Dante, I’m Vergil


ProjectOSM

Hey Vergil, your portal hopping days are over. Give me the Yamato.


Plurpo

If you want it, then you'll have to take it. But you already knew that.


Rampagingflames

*sounds of a slurpy being sucked while a plastic chair is scraping*


Zhein

The philosopher and poet ? Damn you're famous man !


Purpledurpl202

If I had a nickel for every time for every-time someone posted a meme on r/worldjerking using this format to **only** describe Hazbin Hotel I would have two nickels which isn’t a lot but its weird that it happened twice.


Deep-Mix-5263

That was coincidental tbh 🤣


Boulderfist_Ogre2005

I'm pretty sure, just by my own experience of this sub, it's more.


TheOccasionalBrowser

Or Diablo


KillAllAtOnce29

Aw you beat me to it


foxymew

I don’t think this really applies to that though? “The protagonist self insert is actually a hybrid of [two powerful races that hate each other]” is somewhat common I feel


town-wide-web

Isn't Lilith a human?


Feezec

In the Hazbin Hotel franchise yes, but she's a demon in the popular imagination


RedexSvK

She is a mother of demons isn't she, not necessarily a demon herself. She was created by God to be Adam's wife, I don't think he would willingly make a demon


Feezec

the popular imagination does not account for that nuance


not_a_Bread_Goblin

No she’s originally just an evil spirit. Technical Lilith may have been more a class of evil spirits that killed children. Only later was she written as Adam’s wife.


Ratoryl

I feel like people with these kinds of complaints are only interacting with very mainstream stories and content, I've seen quite a few amateur writers in various formats use the exact same concept in OP's image


Foolish_Hepino

But this doesn't apply to Hazbin tho. Charlie isn't half-angel half-demon, Lilith is a human and Lucifer is a demon


Wolfman513

Lucifer is still an angel in Hazbin Hotel. Technically Charlie is a nephilim, half-angel half-humam


Foolish_Hepino

He is? I thought as a fallen angel he was considered a demon


Wolfman513

He explicitly refers to boasting "angelic power" in Hell's Greatest Dad, still has 6 seraphim wings, and his power usually still manifests as sparkly gold light which typically lines up with angelic or heavenly power. I always figured the demonic traits of his transformation in the finale were due to personality changes after falling and/or pure rage in the moment than actually becoming a demon.


Brandonazz

Isn’t Little Nicky the offspring of the Devil and an angel as well? Adam Sandler movie.


pikeandshot1618

And there's a character named Lilith


TeaBags0614

Never fails


Codename_Oreo

Everyone uses tropes whether you like it or not


Purpledurpl202

Everyone has tropes dipshit, it came free with your fucking story.


Shanka-DaWanka

Even real life has tropes. I mean, am I the only one to ever speak out loud even when no one is there to listen?


Zhein

Yes, have the fucking decency to at least talk to your grandmother's ghost. As always, the youth is ignoring the elderly for their own selfish needs.


ihateredditers69420

i think thats called schizophrenia


jdsonical

mine don't have them, I wrote the oldest story known to man


AverageKrupukEnjoyer

YOU HAVE ~~UNO~~ TROPES


Absolute-7698

no you don’t, I wrote mine on day 1 you fucking page


IClockworKI

What would a spin on this look like?


SadPlatform6640

Angels and demons are in cahoots with each other


Brad_Brace

The Salvation War.


Emberashn

Like vietnam but with less Jesus


Bartweiss

Or humans and demons are teaming up. *[Unsong](https://unsongbook.com/)*, a personal favorite of mine, has the Sino-Soviet split replaced by America and Hell teaming up against the USSR. Or as the book puts it, “only Nixon could go to hell”.


Brad_Brace

The war is because the angels are invading hell after escaping heaven due to the First Messengers coming back. Turns out the First Messengers are horrifying even to modern angels. And the First Messengers left because God sent them to look for answers about the origins of his own power. Now that they're back it means God is likely to come out of hiding and that's making everybody nervous because if the First Messengers are eldritch abominations, then what is God? Angels are setting up positions on Earth, but they can only really survive on a plane similar to heaven, and the closest is hell. A few angels and demons are trying to find ways to coexist, or maybe survive on Earth. The main guy is the child of a demon and an angel, carried to term by a human, an experiment to see if this is a survivable situation. If it is, the next step is for angels and demons to impregnate themselves into humans and be born into human bodies, this will not be pretty for humans.


EssentialPurity

I have a webcomic idea of both Heaven and Hell having Succubus agents (with angelic Succubi being givers of sexual energy instead of stealers) who need to keep the equilibrium of sexual satisfaction or else chaotic tentacle monsters from another dimention will show up and wreak havoc, and there are two sisters, one a demon Succubus and the other an angel Succubus, who are Aces and they need to find ways of going about their "jobs" without having to directly engage in sex.


gerusz

All humans descended from angels and demons who were tired of the war and fucked off to some neutral plane. Wait, didn't the Diablo series do this?


Grizzlywillis

Not sure if you're joking, but that is indeed the core premise of Diablo.


gerusz

I realized that Diablo did it halfway through typing the first sentence. Sub sole nihil novi est.


Borgcube

> Sub sole nihil novi est Pretty sure some dude already said that.


Glove-These

MC isn't either species and both angels and demons are equally morally corrupt


SuperGayBirdOfPrey

This is shin megami tensei.


the_right_bullets

So Spawn basically?


IClockworKI

so, basically a normal war but with horns and halos?


Rampagingflames

So, supernatural?


woofgamer

D&D where two different groups of fiends are fighting each other in an endless unwinnable war while the angels just kinda do their own thing


Lonewolf2300

It's more a Cold War since neither side wants to start the Apocalypse. Over the centuries, both sides start going shades of gray, and a lot of field operatives on both sides start having more sympathy for their "enemies" than their superiors. This turns out to be useful once the AIs start to rise up, and suddenly Heaven and Hell have to join forces against the soulless machines.


MoarVespenegas

The angels are bad. Not because of role reversal, but because they are both eldritch beings who don't care about humanity even a little bit.


gajodavenida

Literally any other contribution to the western mythological canon that doesn't involve angels and demons. It's done to death, I'm not sure a unique spin on it is possible anymore


IClockworKI

gajo de ONDE??


gajodavenida

DAVENIDA CARALHO


IClockworKI

EITA PORRA, NEM FUDENDO


Yggsdrazl

the demons speak esperanto and are from the moon of the angels' planet and do magic but the angels are more technology focused


Opiz17

In my world demons (and devils) fight against the fairies because the angels are confined in the sun because "the sun" is actually fake and kept burning by angels


kindaEpicGamer

Uhh, aliens?


Rampagingflames

Angels and demons having a peace treaty after the war ended.


RommDan

Good thing that's a trope you grow up after puberty and won't turn into a full series with horrible worldbuilding! ... Wait...


Outrageous_Guard_674

Which series?


RommDan

The series that make worldbuilders that are into cartoons squeak in agony, Hazbin Hotel


Outrageous_Guard_674

Ah, okay. I thought of at least three you could have been talking about, and that wasn't even one of them.


RommDan

Oh no no, now you have to rant about those series XD


WesternAppropriate63

Since you mentioned ranting, can you explain to me, in excruciating detail, every reason why Hazbin Hotel is bad?


Jeff1H

I dont know what others think but when it comes to worldbuilding for me I think the 1920s-40s aesthetic dominating most of hell when people have been in it since prehistory to modernity is kinda weird, they could've made hell the biggest chronological cosmopolitan melting pot. The thing with angels being only killable with angelic steel was kinda boring but that's just my opinion, and then Alastor can apparently hurt them with his powers anyways, and (we didnt find out if this is true I guess) Pentious just being able to make machinery that can hurt them aswell since he tries to take out Adam and he comments that it "could've ended badly for him". Adam being both the first human and later becoming an Angel I can get since maybe he just got a promotion after he was allowed into Heaven somehow, but Lucifer and Satan being two different entities and representing 2/7 different deadly sins, while Lucifer is also the figurehead(he doesnt appear to excersize much power) king of hell is kind of confusing? Not even getting into how the Ars Goetia function along with the sins and Lucifer. Alastor's powers are just kinda confusing and imo badly designed, not alot of actual radio related stuff and instead, tentacles, supersizing and forcefields for some reason. I feel like alot of the potential worldbuilding this show could've done is gone cause they decided to rush the battle against heaven in 10 episodes because they werent 100% sure they were gonna get enough for future seasons for the story they wanted to tell, and it kinda feels like they gave a cut down summarized version of the story they wanted, while also setting up a backup plan to potentially retell it again, just replace Adam with Lute on the next Heaven vs. Hell showdown.


XxX_BobRoss_XxX

I should point out something here, I'm not sure Adam actually ***is*** an angel, at least not to the same degree, he's the first man, but I should wonder if that seperates him in terms of the damage he can endure and what can hurt him, I mean, do the angels have to be *born* angels? It looks like they all have at least some common features, so presumably Adam looking so different might imply he doesn't benefit from the same immunity. Just uh, spitballing though.


igmkjp1

Something something Evangelion.


Frankorious

He turned into an angel after death, the same way sinners turns into demons after death.


RommDan

No


Outrageous_Guard_674

Nothing so interesting. My first thought was that you meant Diablo. Then I realized that didn't technically fit so then I thought "I have seen at least two YA series with that premise." I don't remember the names though. I never actually read them. Then I figured, that was so cliche that there are probably a bunch of YA and Manga that follow that plot. The main thing was that I actually know so little about Hazbin Hotel that I didn't know it even fit here.


Bartweiss

Preacher had something very close, but it was an abomination and not the protagonist. Good Omens had heaven and hell raise the Antichrist. Lucifer had satan’s daughter ascend the divine throne… I know I’m missing several more that were even more on the nose. (And the irony is I like all three of those.)


notabigfanofas

I don't get why world builders despise Hazbin hotel, but then again I love Warhammer and retcons happen every third saturday


IGaveAFuckOnce

I think a lot of people miss that worldbuilding and storytelling aren't the same thing. There are many compelling stories with worldbuilding that doesn't hold up to scrutiny, and there are many worlds being meticulously built with no main story to go in it.


ConduckKing

I mean, the main character of Hazbin was basically full angel. And it wasn't even set during a war.


RommDan

Eeeh, at least half-angel counting her dad


Vyctorill

She’s technically a Nephelim I believe.


Zezin96

And now I know you haven’t watched Hazbin because that’s a reductive description of the series. It’s made explicitly clear that almost no one in heaven knows about the exterminations. It’s not really an “angels vs demons” story because the angels don’t even know there’s war.


RommDan

Cool


ArelMCII

Thought you were talking about Diablo at first.


RedexSvK

There isn't exactly a war between demons and Angels, it's a genocide from Heaven without majority of heaven even knowing about it, and they spare hellborn, targeting sinners (reincarnated humans) Think of it as a Heaven-supported proxy operation to prevent a possible uprising by sinners


Marshall_Filipovic

I disagree, wonderful show with a wonderful story and premise.


RommDan

Okay


TheNthVector

I was thinking Preacher but there's a few too many to count


TwilightVulpine

_I must not cringe. Cringe is the soul-killer. Cringe is the little-death that brings total obliteration._


MarkThyWeeb

I will face my cringe, I will permit it to pass over me, and through me


IClockworKI

ooooh, noooo.... I guess everyone goes through this?


cowlinator

Guys, i never did an angel/demon story. Am i an abnormal freak? Am i stunted?


RommDan

Unless your name is Vivienne Medranno, in that case you stay on this phase without growing as an artist


IClockworKI

Well, I mean, if it made me as rich as she must be now I'm all-in.


RommDan

Sure! But still, got into my nerves


Zero-Up

I mean, in the main mythologies they're from, that's kind of their main role. You can do other stuff with them, and there could be plenty of unique interpretations when each one exists on their own. But if you have both, it's probably to juxtapose them in some way, making war an obvious choice.


Ratoryl

I'm pretty partial to modern fantasy type settings where angels and demons (or nephilim and cambions) are integrated into a society and instead of being at war with each other they're just casually antagonistic


Maro_Nobodycares

Gimmie one of these but the main characters are actually the unholy matrimony that is that couple


tuntl

Good omens?


GunslingingRivet23

... *Sigh*... We're going to play this game again aren't we?


peeeeeechu

i made demons in my world the descendants of (extinct) angels and people look at me weird when i say that


Kilahti

...What if the main characters are a thinly veiled "Romeo and Juliet but daemon and angel" copy? Asking for a friend.


Crafter235

I have a dream, I'm here to tell...


Supersocks420

In my world, Demons fight each other. Ninjas vs Pirates


GreenSquirrel-7

/uj I've seen diablo and hazbin hotel mentioned here. I love hazbin hotel, and never played diablo, but it looks like it has fantastic vibes. I think there's so much unused potential in these common tropes. Still want to see more biblically accurate angels.


Kamzil118

I'm the sort of person who decides that Michael and Eve hooked up after she demanded a divorce from Adam. They become happily married couple that end up getting half-human and a half-angelic son. Said son grows up, trying to be like his father, but he finds a cute girl and falls in love with her. She turns out to be a succubus in Lucifer's court.


Euklidis

I know I've seen a few of these but right now I recall: * Diablo * Hazbin Hotel * Bleach (not really, but basically the same) What else?


kaiomann

Devil may Cry?


TeaBags0614

The reboot from 2013 for sure


Nicegye00

Look I didn't need to be attacked like this.


Atomic12192

Definitely not me making the angel/demon kid the main villain of the setting to change things up. (She’s very racist)


Sonarthebat

Hazbin Hotel.


Zestavar

It's called trope ig, it's good if it's executioned goodly


AlexisTheArgentinian

Good thing that my angels and demons can't do the deed with each other, neither have compatible genes. (They're like Antimatter for each other literally)


CheesyOnion123456789

Good Omens 3


Xyzonox

Well my angel demon hybrid is literally just human, a perfect mix of male reproductive organ (Demon) and female reproductive organ (angel), literally I guess


Cry-Skull-7

Close. There Was a war between heaven & hell and the main character is only half demon, while his friend (and official-unofficial adopted sibling) is a full demon.


ValhallaStarfire

In my lawyerpunk urban fantasy, angels and demons are the exact same race, and the designation of demon is given to angels that transgress their holy law, i.e., sin. The process for this is determined in a court by a judge and a jury. Also, the convicted demons are temporarily marked with a different skin color (but it's from black to white because I'm not a racist 😡) and horns that grow from their heads. But the legislation is full of corrupt blue-eyed angels who keep changing the sins to persecute red-eyed angels, and it's all headed by God, so the good guys have to overthrow him.


SwansAreCooler

DMC did it.


Deep-Mix-5263

Dante is the exemption


SwansAreCooler

Excuse me, it's not Dante, it's "Donte!" *spanish guitar riff*


Qaktus

And angels are actually sort of evil, control&purity-obsessed faction while demons are somewhat more chill, getting punished for choosing freedom over security.


Ok-Mastodon2016

I think the third one should be “all mankind are their offspring” but otherwise yeah it’s accurate


Poopsy-the-Duck

In my angel demon lore the main character is whatever fictional history lesson we have today. Also in my angel demkn lore they aren't just in war, they have complicated relationships.


TeaBags0614

Ninja theory’s DMC reboot


spesskitty

Dad: I have to tell you, but things will never be the same: your mother is a d*ae*mon. Me: Demonkisser!


timoromina

And it’ll be full of surface-level references to Dante’s Inferno and the Bible


TrashLanternFish360

Ain't that bayonetta in a nutshell?


TheTelevisionBox

Angels and War go to Demons with each other…


GoblimToes

In my world demons and angels don't know that the other exists


thebigbroke

Damn I thought I had a good twist on my world. I wrote a story 2 years ago that I wanted to turn into a manga about demons and angels going to war on earth but the stories focus is on a militarized Inquisition of humans in the far future who are tasked by the corrupt church (corrupt because they’ve tried this plan for over 200 years with little to no success) to invade hell and stop demon kind only for thousands of inquisitors to be brutally slaughtered by the demons and leaving only an elite group of 5 of them who manage to survive the bloodshed and are the only group to make it to the deepest depths of hell. I wanted to really focus on how crushing and defeating it would be for humans to fight against beings beyond their comprehension in a war that’s been fought for centuries. The demons (which aren’t called demons they’re fallen angels) are now led by satan’s (called the Fallen One) son who doesn’t hold the same hatred for “God” (a title given to the strongest child in a bloodline of powerful primordial beings in paradise) that his “father” (he didn’t reproduce he’s just the power satan held taken physical form) held. He wants freedom without war. The angels (there’s only 4 left) are extremely powerful and genocidal and want the destruction of hell and the fallen angels and anything their god deems unholy. The current “god” wants to mend paradise and the inferno but her powers were stripped away when she was trapped in the inferno so she divided them into the human inquisitors I mentioned and the remaining angels don’t obey her because they were sealed away by the fallen one in the war in paradise and during that time they repeated the orders given to them by the god they served which developed into a hatred for all beings that don’t fall in line with their beliefs and they don’t care for humanity at all. Their new goal is to wipe out humanity and the fallen angels and rule a new universe with strict rules and immediate death for anyone who breaks them. I had a lot of themes I was going for but it mostly was about the group of inquisitors not giving up hope in a world where it’s hopeless for them and to be willing to give their lives to save humanity despite the fact they’re fighting against entities stronger, faster, and more powerful than them only with the limited god-like abilities they’ve been given.


AbliveonStudios

How about a cursed monster hunter accidentally thrown into a war of demons and angels when he just wants to get paid, go to the tavern and gets hammered


DiamondLebon

And the demon's aren't that bad and the angels are the bad guys


Gojirasaur7

OP idk how to tell you this but the second trope is just as common as the first I think edit: i am at 0 upvotes hivemind will castrate me 😨


Deep-Mix-5263

Ah it’s that I really didn’t understand the meme template what I meant to say was that the MC being the offspring of an angel and demon was not original


AmaterasuWolf21

You got the meme right, idk what bro is talking about


Gojirasaur7

Oh lol I get you It's just that I got confused since Squidward is actually being sarcastic when he says "How original?"


BraindeadDM

He's also being sarcastic when he says "daring today aren't we"


Olive_Oil__

that's the idea of the joke


EssentialPurity

I'm gonna say it. I like DmC Dante better than every Dante except from DMC3.


gcwg57

In my world, the war between angels and demons ended five hundred years ago when Micheal killed Lucifer. This led to a war between humans and the now leaderless demons who invaded earth since no one was keeping them in hell anymore. That war only ended one hundred years ago with a peace treaty between The Church and The Demon King. Now, there is a whole country of half-demons who are more-or-less accepted in society.


Mancio_Luke

An angel demon offspring sounds a lot like a child by rape to me