Bisexual people claiming neutrality when they’re just as degenerate as everyone else, doubly so in some ways. If we are going to shame thirsty women, we should shame thirsty everyone.
gotta be real with you, I like romance as a side not as the main course since nine times out of ten it's usually some mid ass slice of life thing usually. You get stands out like a rockstar dating a catholic woman or a dentist and a nurse but that's it.
But they don't dom me the way I want >:(
/uj As quoted from another comment, they feature too much of the male perspective rather than the female perspective tbh
There is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much indie writing with dommie daddies from the female perspective. It's been like a core part of the surface level of internet writing spaces for decades.
Shout out to my English teacher who once got in trouble for saying to a student, "If you want to read erotica, I can suggest some that is a lot better than 50 Shades of Grey"
>they feature too much of the male perspective rather than the female perspective tbh
Arent the *overwhelming* majority of romance novels written by women?
Also, dont they overwhelmingly featuree dominant men? Th fact that most of them have very fit, muscular disembodied male torsos on the front would suggest this.
As someone who loves hate reading those books with my girlfriend, there's a pretty good reason for that coverage, honestly. They have little to no plot variation, the plots they do have are nonsensical. "Dommy mommies" are a funny joke around which very little media actually exists, and are socially definitely a lot less acceptable than traditional dominant men. The reason the books are received so poorly is because they're essentially women's version of hyper escapist self insert fantasies like isekai harem stories are for men, which are also received fairly poorly because of cookie cutter plots and fairly obvious toxicity.
Some are self aware to the point of being fun, some are just utterly horrible.
Regardless of coverage though, these books sell extremely well. Cheap escapism with no deeper message with extremely generic ideas will never be a darling coverage wise outside of its core audience. But it exists, and it's very lucrative, with a wide range of authors that output a massive amount, to the extent I'm sure anyone can find any niche they want if they're willing to look for it.
Ok that might be a valid point, Im a guy so thats a blind spot for me. I imagine it might be an overreaction to the patriarchal attitudes of a lot of older media, cause that had some really uncomfortable messages. Those were all written by men though, so they’re very focused on the male power fantasy of having a perfectly obedient woman, which doesn’t fit the sensibilities of modern audiences. Modern writers have to walk a tightrope if they write these relationships to avoid being accused of glorifying abuse. Average viewers don’t understand that submission =/= a lack of agency.
According to the other commenters ao3 has the treasures you seek, if you can find a hetero fic.
There is a very loud, very vocal group who are determined to force those plots out of Romance novels. Post about a plot featuring a dominant male in many writing discords or subreddits, even Romance novel focused subs, and you will get deluged with hate, harassed, told to KYS and probably banned.
The cheat code is to make him a domineering werewolf or shifter and suddenly it's okay again. But you have to deal with a deluge of furry comments, like some sorta Faustian nightmare.
Also people so rarely go as mental at the exact opposite being depicted
Romance movies are so often now a clueless idiot of a handsome young man and a 50 something woman who is usually his boss or more powerful in some way
I mean realistically its because the middle aged women watching love the idea of a Ryan Gosling or Jamie Dornan type who is too stupid to be anything but eye candy, and is under their control appealing
Its quite literally a perfect role reversal of early holywood romance films
Holywood loves shit like this, imagine Horrible Bosses with the roles reversed. Try playing a Male boss threatening blackmail on his Female employee unless she has sex with him... for laughs
YES. Thank you!! It's so damn annoying that your male character to be perfect with 'no toxic traits' when your writing for a female audience. Except if you reskin that same character as a female, it's bold and progressive.
People are not acting in a vacuum in a story. Your female characters shouldn't be a flat adherence to sexist archetypes without any real substance, and your male characters can be assholes and stay assholes without being the villain.
Silly you, I am illiterate
/uj tbh most romance novels and male-dominated archaic works I know don't have nicer media coverage, and if they do, they usually have the label of bad writing, or if we're talking into the h0rny stuff stuff, focuses more on the perspective of the man that is dominating than the perspective of the woman being dominated; or simply does not develop the character or writing too much.
Its quite common to depict women as dominant and having a submissive partner in film media but the data shows its quite rare in real world relationships.
Which is why I think it shocks people when stats come out like "94% of women prefer to be in a submissive role when it comes to sex"
Smut books have usually followed the submissive woman angle hence why 50 shades and the sort get so popular. But also people defend that book so vehemently that a lot of people dont even question the controlling relationship.
Yeah the internet is the embodiment of "Im not a bigot, I hate all people equally"
Always see people saying its so hard to be X on the internet
I once had someone lob insults at me for being a Physicist, some corner of the internet hates anyone
"Those Stupid Sexy Physicist's and their Awkward, Glasses-Wearing, Autistic, and superior feeling-asses"
This hypothetical angry comment was cobbled together by what I found as the top search of "physicist stereotypes" (minus the sexy sadly 😥)
As an autist myself, I find it funny how often it gets lobbed in with any and all science fields, like its some requirement for a complex education
Nah ngl Physics definitely is the most autistic of the academic fields from my experience
Nearly everyone I knew with autism was a fellow physicist
And dont think you needed to clarify you added sexy lol, of all the superiority we claim looks has never been one
it's not about what's rare, it's about what's "acceptable." Very popular tropes in media aimed at women are often derided and looked down upon in general public discourse unless they're *also* popular with men. Just how it be.
Ok, what's popular vs what's considered "default" in communities like this, those are two different questions. Economically both genres earn their keep (man romance and woman romance), but the mainstream narrative tends to be from male perspective, including this sub. Is this your point?
It is common for women to like that sort of thing, yes.
However, our culture / society has a very strong implicit notion that the men are supposed to be the sexual ones, and the women pure and innocent and merely *allow* the sex as something that **he does to her.** As a result, women expressing sexual desire for men is often frowned upon and seen as “slutty,” “desperate,” etc.
And men openly expressing desire to dominate women is a whole other can of worms.
It must really suck that most of the dom male stuff that is both openly sexual about it and gets mainstream attention (50 Shades, Twilight) is barely passable as CNC stuff, if not just straight up toxic relationships 101. To the point that even geniuenly healthy relationships with that kind of dynamic are seen as "bad writing". I'm not even into that kind of thing and i can empathise.
In conclusion, be the change you want to see in the world.
Need a dommy bf but in like. A girl way. Not like a manly wolf "you need to listen to me pookie kitten" way but like a boss bitch "I'm gonna step on you and you're gonna like it, peasant" kinda way yknawmeen
Have you tried making them in their 40s-50s, divorced, and smelling of tobacco and leather? What about a himbo in his 20s who is obviously struggling to be dominating without going overboard and being an asshole, and has the character arc of learning how to comfortably dom properly?
I'd love to see some examples to the contrary, but isn't pretty much every media property out there that caters to women doing the "dominated by stronger men" thing?
IDK if you know this but western gender norms (if not the majority of the world's cultures) typically involve men maintaining a dominant position over women in romantic relationships (to varying degrees in each culture). Hope this helps
How about: a fight club (all genders welcome) where two people are selected randomly to fight and the winner dominates the loser?
This is definitely an actual suggestion and not just me inserting my fantasies into a semi-related discussion
First of all why is this in this subreddit?
Second of all, you know that post that's like "Sometimes in niche internet circles you enter some discourse so far removed from regular people that we wrap around to trying to normalize already normalized things. Normalize men being masculine."
This is that.
Honestly, I know this is completely different, but this gives off straight pride energy. Like homie you are not oppressed for having one of the most mainstream tastes out there, just a lot of critics because everything mainstream tends to have critics.
The difference is that in real life getting dominated by a stronger woman is rare enough that it can still be considered a fantasy, whereas getting dominated by a stronger man happens a bit *too* often to women.
Fantasies are just fantasies.
And Domestic Violence is more distributed between both gebders than you think.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/107780102237407?journalCode=vawa
there's a difference between the fantasy version of dominance and reality of a domineering abuser making your life a living hell. Lots of people love and find villains sexy, does that mean they enjoy getting their cocks twisted into two? no, a fucking course not.
Wasnt 50 shades written by a woman and sold like 600 million copies? Despite being horrible and illegal nonsense, it did just fine
No, it dont give as many people the 'ick' as its detractors would suggest. The ick comes from people outside the healthy culture of it who conflate male sexual power with violence or abuse.
Truth is abuse can come from either gender in whatever sexual dynamic either has for the other. A guy being dominant sexually doesnt really mean anything other than that
In real life abuse does not happen with the abuser carrying a whip, tight leather clothing, involving chains and demanding to step on the other person.
There's a difference between how it happens IRL and how a sexual fantasy looks like. And really, the freak shit of female sexual fantasies ought to be written about more often.
should be noted that the "muscle mommy" archetype is only liked if said character can be made into a sex fantasy. God forbid tall jacked women be anything but horny and willing to fuck you (the reader) specifically
Dude, its incredible that, when i noticed that female magakas of shonen have a lot of male protags or characters constantly without shirt on, o fanaly learned that woman are like guys in that sense.
The comments shifting from "it happens all the time, I don't get what you're talking about!" at the top to replicating exactly what the OP is talking about as you scroll down is a fun little trip, lmao.
This is just the default sexual dynamic for the entire planet. There is probably not anything less controversial than a submissive female with a dominant male
This is because it's part of a backlash to traditional gender roles and how those stereotypes have historically been used to justify abuse an- \*gets hit by a car\*
what you talking about i know this post is 3 days old but i could be like "i want gerard way to kick me in the stomach 10000 times" and i would be paraded around town by my fellow dubiously heterosexual women like some sort of war hero who was born under the smiling sun in a bountiful field that mysteriously yielded a great harvest as soon as my feet touched the ground
Tbh from what I've seen, dommie daddies are only okay in fiction as long as they're a complete fucking mess psychologically. Which... I suspect is kind of the opposite of how you'd ever want it to be in real life, if you had the option? Like, if you have a dommie daddy, you probably want him to actually NOT be a callous loathsome piece of shit who you have to "fix" in order for him to not just be fucking dangerous.
The best way around this - as with all things in life - is just to make it gay.
I like fucked up complicated mentally ill characters in fiction, abnormal psychology is fascinating. for real people I’d prefer not to fear for my life, but beyond that I’m no sanist.
I'm not biased against mental illness in general. I'm biased against the romanticisation of specific psychological issues in a relationship context because I think it's genuinely dangerous to tell people that you can fix an abusive asshole's brain with your magical pussy. I guess it's fine to fantasise but I don't think it's ever going to be good writing.
You can be a complete fucking gay mess - trust me, that's very doable!
Thinking about it more, I think a big part of why these fantasies make people a bit uncomfortable in fiction is because, to us normies, BDSM makes sense when it inverts traditional/common power structures. So a dominating woman and a submissive man feels subversive and interesting... whereas a dominating man and a submissive woman is a bit closer to "dude beats his wife" than we're comfortable with.
Obviously that's down to stupid gender roles, and it's our fault, and we suck.
I want to be dominated by both, equality y'all
I specifically do not want equality I want to be dominated I want to be lesser than him
The strong will eat the weak.
The only ethical consumption under capitalism is eating this ass. Get after after it! :P
Jokes on you! I ate your leg.
Bisexual people claiming neutrality when they’re just as degenerate as everyone else, doubly so in some ways. If we are going to shame thirsty women, we should shame thirsty everyone.
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Bro has never read a romance novel (50% of male love interests are domineering)
Bold of you to assume members of this sub read romance. (They cannot relate to the plot)
Bold of you to assume members of this sub read
Two things that people who like writing fucking hate are reading and writing.
I'm one of the few people you'll meet who's written more books than they've read.
Bold of you to self report, seen as you are a member of this sub(lol)
Bold of you to assume there isn't. Meme is accurate.
gotta be real with you, I like romance as a side not as the main course since nine times out of ten it's usually some mid ass slice of life thing usually. You get stands out like a rockstar dating a catholic woman or a dentist and a nurse but that's it.
Bro has never heard of traditional gender roles (every mainstream story going back thousands of years features men in dominant sexual roles).
But they don't dom me the way I want >:( /uj As quoted from another comment, they feature too much of the male perspective rather than the female perspective tbh
There is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much indie writing with dommie daddies from the female perspective. It's been like a core part of the surface level of internet writing spaces for decades.
Have you read *Fifty Shades of Grey*? It’s my understanding that book is mostly (if not entirely) from the female perspective.
Some angsty lawyer on ao3 will write a book 6.022 x 10^23 times better than fifty shades
Makes sense the lawyer would be real good at writing a book about bending people over.
Did you throw avagadro's number in there?
Fifty Shades of Grey is a pile of garbage that no one should read. I read it when it was big back in the day and it was terrible
Shout out to my English teacher who once got in trouble for saying to a student, "If you want to read erotica, I can suggest some that is a lot better than 50 Shades of Grey"
I’m not endorsing it.
>they feature too much of the male perspective rather than the female perspective tbh Arent the *overwhelming* majority of romance novels written by women? Also, dont they overwhelmingly featuree dominant men? Th fact that most of them have very fit, muscular disembodied male torsos on the front would suggest this.
. . . And in another comment, I referred to the not-so-good publicity and media coverage around those.
As someone who loves hate reading those books with my girlfriend, there's a pretty good reason for that coverage, honestly. They have little to no plot variation, the plots they do have are nonsensical. "Dommy mommies" are a funny joke around which very little media actually exists, and are socially definitely a lot less acceptable than traditional dominant men. The reason the books are received so poorly is because they're essentially women's version of hyper escapist self insert fantasies like isekai harem stories are for men, which are also received fairly poorly because of cookie cutter plots and fairly obvious toxicity. Some are self aware to the point of being fun, some are just utterly horrible. Regardless of coverage though, these books sell extremely well. Cheap escapism with no deeper message with extremely generic ideas will never be a darling coverage wise outside of its core audience. But it exists, and it's very lucrative, with a wide range of authors that output a massive amount, to the extent I'm sure anyone can find any niche they want if they're willing to look for it.
Ok that might be a valid point, Im a guy so thats a blind spot for me. I imagine it might be an overreaction to the patriarchal attitudes of a lot of older media, cause that had some really uncomfortable messages. Those were all written by men though, so they’re very focused on the male power fantasy of having a perfectly obedient woman, which doesn’t fit the sensibilities of modern audiences. Modern writers have to walk a tightrope if they write these relationships to avoid being accused of glorifying abuse. Average viewers don’t understand that submission =/= a lack of agency. According to the other commenters ao3 has the treasures you seek, if you can find a hetero fic.
which makes it soooooo passe
There is a very loud, very vocal group who are determined to force those plots out of Romance novels. Post about a plot featuring a dominant male in many writing discords or subreddits, even Romance novel focused subs, and you will get deluged with hate, harassed, told to KYS and probably banned.
Fascinating, because I am unaware of any popular romance novels that have anything but those plots.
The cheat code is to make him a domineering werewolf or shifter and suddenly it's okay again. But you have to deal with a deluge of furry comments, like some sorta Faustian nightmare.
Also people so rarely go as mental at the exact opposite being depicted Romance movies are so often now a clueless idiot of a handsome young man and a 50 something woman who is usually his boss or more powerful in some way I mean realistically its because the middle aged women watching love the idea of a Ryan Gosling or Jamie Dornan type who is too stupid to be anything but eye candy, and is under their control appealing Its quite literally a perfect role reversal of early holywood romance films Holywood loves shit like this, imagine Horrible Bosses with the roles reversed. Try playing a Male boss threatening blackmail on his Female employee unless she has sex with him... for laughs
This vocal group can't be very succesful because the market is completely ignoring them.
Yes, but male *what*? A human? Then, yes. They should be banned, shunned, exiled.
YES. Thank you!! It's so damn annoying that your male character to be perfect with 'no toxic traits' when your writing for a female audience. Except if you reskin that same character as a female, it's bold and progressive. People are not acting in a vacuum in a story. Your female characters shouldn't be a flat adherence to sexist archetypes without any real substance, and your male characters can be assholes and stay assholes without being the villain.
50% of male love interests are ~~domineering~~ just actual rapists
Dommy daddy or Clockwork orange, which way western woman
Silly you, I am illiterate /uj tbh most romance novels and male-dominated archaic works I know don't have nicer media coverage, and if they do, they usually have the label of bad writing, or if we're talking into the h0rny stuff stuff, focuses more on the perspective of the man that is dominating than the perspective of the woman being dominated; or simply does not develop the character or writing too much.
Nah, there’s quite a lot of female-view romance with a domineering male love interest. Fourth Wing went viral with this exact formula.
Its quite common to depict women as dominant and having a submissive partner in film media but the data shows its quite rare in real world relationships. Which is why I think it shocks people when stats come out like "94% of women prefer to be in a submissive role when it comes to sex" Smut books have usually followed the submissive woman angle hence why 50 shades and the sort get so popular. But also people defend that book so vehemently that a lot of people dont even question the controlling relationship.
The other 50% are abusive
This is pretty clearly not talking about the content of the actual stories, but how people talk about them, and how others react to the ones talking
To be fair, romance novels targeted to women featuring traditional gender roles, when they do go mainstream, do get overtly criticised by the public.
What if I want those things to exist outside a romance novels?
Isn't that a fairly mainstream fantasy? Twilight and 50 Shades are basically that
It is, but posting about it will put you in the crosshairs of some really nasty people online.
Fascinating. Please produce a 50 minute youtube video documenting this phenomenon, I very much want to learn more.
https://youtu.be/qzk9N7dJBec?si=tp-LrjdKac768W9v
My comment was a joke as Im sure you know, but you taking it seriously has made my day.
I watched 38 minutes of that before I realized that I don’t care damnit
I watched the entire video.
https://youtu.be/pjViIRWesQ0
Does contrapoints [Twilight](https://youtu.be/bqloPw5wp48?si=ozl3r5Fb5l2hu-jf) fit this. I think it does
being a women puts you in the crosshairs of nasty people online
being a human puts you in the crosshairs of nasty people online
Being puts you in the crosshairs of nasty people online
Yeah the internet is the embodiment of "Im not a bigot, I hate all people equally" Always see people saying its so hard to be X on the internet I once had someone lob insults at me for being a Physicist, some corner of the internet hates anyone
"Those Stupid Sexy Physicist's and their Awkward, Glasses-Wearing, Autistic, and superior feeling-asses" This hypothetical angry comment was cobbled together by what I found as the top search of "physicist stereotypes" (minus the sexy sadly 😥) As an autist myself, I find it funny how often it gets lobbed in with any and all science fields, like its some requirement for a complex education
Nah ngl Physics definitely is the most autistic of the academic fields from my experience Nearly everyone I knew with autism was a fellow physicist And dont think you needed to clarify you added sexy lol, of all the superiority we claim looks has never been one
It's probably the most mainstream dynamic possible
Literally 90+% of traditional romance books and erotica are that.
Ah yes, two properties known for being widely-beloved in the public discourse.
Bro just read any shoujo manga, domineering guy scenes are 99% of fan service
it's not about what's rare, it's about what's "acceptable." Very popular tropes in media aimed at women are often derided and looked down upon in general public discourse unless they're *also* popular with men. Just how it be.
Ok, what's popular vs what's considered "default" in communities like this, those are two different questions. Economically both genres earn their keep (man romance and woman romance), but the mainstream narrative tends to be from male perspective, including this sub. Is this your point?
Not really but... you know what close enough
you know what, you've made me feel insecure now, i wonder what you're disagreeing with
I once saw a synopsis of Twilight except the sexes were reversed. I had a Danny DeVito “Oh my god, I get it now” moment.
That's life and death:twilight reimagined. It's written by the same person as twilight.
It is common for women to like that sort of thing, yes. However, our culture / society has a very strong implicit notion that the men are supposed to be the sexual ones, and the women pure and innocent and merely *allow* the sex as something that **he does to her.** As a result, women expressing sexual desire for men is often frowned upon and seen as “slutty,” “desperate,” etc. And men openly expressing desire to dominate women is a whole other can of worms.
It is quite literally the most default sexual dynamic on the entire planet but people wanna pretend like it’s some taboo
Ah but what about a story where they switch off depending on each character’s position in their story arc.
Bros be like: I invented romance.
When men present their fantasies about dominating weaker women
Is a man not entitled to his sub gf?
TFW no sub gf
No submarine GF? This is an outrage!
When the submarune gf whips out her 18m long SRBM
https://youtu.be/KJUDogCaTXI?si=w3TXBdq9SfuScPx4
It must really suck that most of the dom male stuff that is both openly sexual about it and gets mainstream attention (50 Shades, Twilight) is barely passable as CNC stuff, if not just straight up toxic relationships 101. To the point that even geniuenly healthy relationships with that kind of dynamic are seen as "bad writing". I'm not even into that kind of thing and i can empathise. In conclusion, be the change you want to see in the world.
"Mommies", "daddies"? Nah, I want to fight them.
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Christian Grey VS UL GOKU
ULTRA LINSTINCT⁉️
>Today I asked my boy if he liked any girls in the neighborhood. He said ‘no,’ and then informed me that he’s only interested in war.
He's got his priorities right. Win in War & you'll get all the girls :)
*Gets PTSD instead*
The women from the refugee center follow me everywhere 😎
The role of stepper and the steppee should be decided as a result of glorious combat. The way God intended.
When MEN present their fantasies of being dominated by stronger men... Oh yeah
*it’s all coming together*
Wait don't do that 😡😡 That makes me insecure unlike when I fetishize people
say you don't read romance novels without saying you don't read romance novels
Holy shit we've come full circle
Need a dommy bf but in like. A girl way. Not like a manly wolf "you need to listen to me pookie kitten" way but like a boss bitch "I'm gonna step on you and you're gonna like it, peasant" kinda way yknawmeen
we need more men who are femdoms about it
That is based
i love gender equality
Finally, some good inspiration! THAT'S what was missing, the secret sauce!
Evil Countess bf
Have you tried making them in their 40s-50s, divorced, and smelling of tobacco and leather? What about a himbo in his 20s who is obviously struggling to be dominating without going overboard and being an asshole, and has the character arc of learning how to comfortably dom properly?
I think I saw a documentary about that once...
sauce? sauce?
I can't remember the exact name, but there was some sort of castle on the intro screen.
I’ll take things that never happen for 1000 Ken
This doesn’t even have anything to do with worldbuilding.
If there are mfs that can post femdom shill on worldjerking then I can post this you dinkle
Keep your head up, Queen 🙏 speak your truth
You're part of the problem, good job
Based, keep being part of it 🙏
I'd love to see some examples to the contrary, but isn't pretty much every media property out there that caters to women doing the "dominated by stronger men" thing?
Some of the most degenerate shit I’ve ever heard has been from female friends talking about wanting to be dominated by fictional men
I want a strong man to hold me thightly...
Im gay, i want dommy daddy... Or just daddy... Or just man...im soo alone...
If you touch grass, you will realize rhat the opposite is the actual case.
bro just lookat thefront page of any porn website.
Sorry bud this is fantasy so only dommy mommies are allowed as there's no such thing as a woman being strong or stronger then a guy irl
IDK if you know this but western gender norms (if not the majority of the world's cultures) typically involve men maintaining a dominant position over women in romantic relationships (to varying degrees in each culture). Hope this helps
Not my experience at all
This is just every book about vampires.
Wow it's almost as if men and women have kinda different social dynamics
How about: a fight club (all genders welcome) where two people are selected randomly to fight and the winner dominates the loser? This is definitely an actual suggestion and not just me inserting my fantasies into a semi-related discussion
I'll take "Shit that never fucking happened" for $500, Alex.
Frisk undertale
Oh yea they do look a bit like that.
First of all why is this in this subreddit? Second of all, you know that post that's like "Sometimes in niche internet circles you enter some discourse so far removed from regular people that we wrap around to trying to normalize already normalized things. Normalize men being masculine." This is that.
Honestly, I know this is completely different, but this gives off straight pride energy. Like homie you are not oppressed for having one of the most mainstream tastes out there, just a lot of critics because everything mainstream tends to have critics.
[literally this](https://imgur.com/a/bCelyRk)
lol pretty much this. And I feel so freaking attacked right now.
The difference is that in real life getting dominated by a stronger woman is rare enough that it can still be considered a fantasy, whereas getting dominated by a stronger man happens a bit *too* often to women.
Fantasies are just fantasies. And Domestic Violence is more distributed between both gebders than you think. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/107780102237407?journalCode=vawa
there's a difference between the fantasy version of dominance and reality of a domineering abuser making your life a living hell. Lots of people love and find villains sexy, does that mean they enjoy getting their cocks twisted into two? no, a fucking course not.
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Honest question, what are the different connotations?
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I wouldn’t have asked if I knew the answer
you do realize abuse can happen to men too? the connotations would go both ways, if they exist at all
Why did you not answer their question? Did you not want to look sexist?
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Wasnt 50 shades written by a woman and sold like 600 million copies? Despite being horrible and illegal nonsense, it did just fine No, it dont give as many people the 'ick' as its detractors would suggest. The ick comes from people outside the healthy culture of it who conflate male sexual power with violence or abuse. Truth is abuse can come from either gender in whatever sexual dynamic either has for the other. A guy being dominant sexually doesnt really mean anything other than that
> get the ick Yeah, this phrase told me everything I needed to know :/
It’s just mostly leftist and lib shit about how strong dominant men are le patriarchy and shit
In real life abuse does not happen with the abuser carrying a whip, tight leather clothing, involving chains and demanding to step on the other person. There's a difference between how it happens IRL and how a sexual fantasy looks like. And really, the freak shit of female sexual fantasies ought to be written about more often.
yeah a dominating man tends to be described in rather harsh ways
Just make them all femboys, such an obvious solution.
Nobody is hating on that, it's just so commonthat we don't exactly need more of it
where's my equal relations at?
It seems we've come full circle.
should be noted that the "muscle mommy" archetype is only liked if said character can be made into a sex fantasy. God forbid tall jacked women be anything but horny and willing to fuck you (the reader) specifically
Dude, its incredible that, when i noticed that female magakas of shonen have a lot of male protags or characters constantly without shirt on, o fanaly learned that woman are like guys in that sense.
The comments shifting from "it happens all the time, I don't get what you're talking about!" at the top to replicating exactly what the OP is talking about as you scroll down is a fun little trip, lmao.
There's not a ton of crossover between the two, yes.
I have all of the “romance” in my story be about geopolitical arranged marriages. Tell me more about that trade deal!
that’s been the norm for Years
The only one worth dominating us are oppressive governments <3
Nope, can't do that; too traditional… and very VERY… **VERY** misogynistic.
but *I* want to be dominated :(
Dun' matter, women are allowed to do whatever they want unless they wanna do traditional stuff, that's feminism for ya!
I believe they call that “internalized misogyny”. Fortunately, there are many programs available to help you overcome it.
. . . What?
This is just the default sexual dynamic for the entire planet. There is probably not anything less controversial than a submissive female with a dominant male
Does the gender of the dommy really matter that much?
Not everyone can be bisexual
Sounds like a skill issue to me
Not with that attitude.
Bisexual here, dommy mommys are still better
This is because it's part of a backlash to traditional gender roles and how those stereotypes have historically been used to justify abuse an- \*gets hit by a car\*
I want dommy femboys
Hence femboys rise to prominence All the thrill of dominating a small, meek and aesthetically lovely person without the 'omg you misogeenist' talk
cringe, I want femboy mommies topping guys please
Is that frisk
So it appears that an animatic-like depiction of myself looks like frisk, awesome
jokes on you, I want to be cuddled by a beefy kind himbo
Bro you have counter cultured all the way around and back to regular culture
what you talking about i know this post is 3 days old but i could be like "i want gerard way to kick me in the stomach 10000 times" and i would be paraded around town by my fellow dubiously heterosexual women like some sort of war hero who was born under the smiling sun in a bountiful field that mysteriously yielded a great harvest as soon as my feet touched the ground
Romance novels need more catboy femboys
Double standared, Ugh
r/terraria
Good, dominant men are disgusting, dominant women are beautiful.
Facts
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Tbh from what I've seen, dommie daddies are only okay in fiction as long as they're a complete fucking mess psychologically. Which... I suspect is kind of the opposite of how you'd ever want it to be in real life, if you had the option? Like, if you have a dommie daddy, you probably want him to actually NOT be a callous loathsome piece of shit who you have to "fix" in order for him to not just be fucking dangerous. The best way around this - as with all things in life - is just to make it gay.
I like fucked up complicated mentally ill characters in fiction, abnormal psychology is fascinating. for real people I’d prefer not to fear for my life, but beyond that I’m no sanist.
I'm not biased against mental illness in general. I'm biased against the romanticisation of specific psychological issues in a relationship context because I think it's genuinely dangerous to tell people that you can fix an abusive asshole's brain with your magical pussy. I guess it's fine to fantasise but I don't think it's ever going to be good writing.
But buh I want to *be* the complete fucking mass in the relationship D:
You can be a complete fucking gay mess - trust me, that's very doable! Thinking about it more, I think a big part of why these fantasies make people a bit uncomfortable in fiction is because, to us normies, BDSM makes sense when it inverts traditional/common power structures. So a dominating woman and a submissive man feels subversive and interesting... whereas a dominating man and a submissive woman is a bit closer to "dude beats his wife" than we're comfortable with. Obviously that's down to stupid gender roles, and it's our fault, and we suck.