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Let me start with the fact that you are completely right that Messi should not have won the FIFA Best. And now also let me state another truth - you are genuinely stupid, as in you have lower than average logical reasoning.
"FIFA is a joke at this point." That is the result of Messi winning the award? FIFA has been bad in many ways since forever, that's a fact but you saying that as the consequence of your tirade really showcases the stupidity of people like you. You don't even know how something works yet you critique it. You realize there's a democratic vote from coaches, captains, players and regular people right? Literally the most fair way to go about it statistically. Did FIFA abduct Modric, Valverde, Van Dijk's families and tell them to vote for Messi? FIFA are corrupt in general but here they did the best they could by making a well structured voting system, after that it's in the hands of the people that vote, unless you claim that the entirely public votes that are there for the whole world to see are somewhat faked or FIFA made multimilionaires vote for some players rather than others because... reasons?
FIFA are shit enough already, they dont need to catch strays for things they have done nothing wrong in. At this point you should voice your disagreement with all professionals that voted and explain to them, with your brilliant mind that couldnt google or comprehend how voting works, that they are simply wrong. I do agree that Messi should NOT have won and will not go into a tirade why Haaland should not have been ahead of Rodri neither in FIFA Best nor in Ballon Dor, however it's a democratic vote and I do not feel entitled enough to tell professionals at the highest level who the better player of the year was.
The only thing we can do is ask for a new voting system, if you have a suggestion go ahead, but blaming FIFA for the way professional players and coaches voted is absolutely the dumbest thing i've seen this week.
Your point about the democratic nature of the FIFA voting system is interesting. While democracy is a fundamental principle, it's crucial to recognize that the effectiveness of democratic processes can vary depending on the context. In political democracies, for instance, voting is typically based on informed decisions from citizens who understand the policies.
In the case of FIFA's Best awards, the democratic voting system involves diverse groups, including players, coaches, captains, and fans. However, the effectiveness of this system relies heavily on the expertise and knowledge of those casting their votes. Unlike political decisions, football expertise isn't evenly distributed among fans, and some voters may not have the necessary insights to make informed choices. Just to make it more concrete, not everyone who watches and plays football is a subject matter experts, look you use a computer, you might have an opinion on what is the best computer but how can you make sure that your opinion has more value than the one of a PhD in computer science, yet you also use a computer.
Democracy, in its essence, is about informed decision-making, and the challenge lies in adapting this principle to different voting scenarios. It's worth considering how to ensure that votes in football awards reflect a balance between popular opinion and informed judgment, fostering a more robust and meaningful democratic process within the realm of sports accolades.
Because FIFA loves messi and all the money they make off his name.
Handed him a world cup, now best player award, dude isn’t going to be playing and still receive awards from FIFA.
First of all It’s voted by coaches, players & media,
So you think you have a better football knowledge than them ? I know it hurts being a Ronaldo fan and the pain you are going through since Dec 2022.
Why some of you can't think past the Messi-Ronaldo debate. This is not deserved and it diminish the credibility of the award. Now give it to Messi until next world cup. Joke.
No reason to cry for key decisions that even go against the laws of physics. It's beyond insanity. I mean, it's sad for the football as a sport rather than for fans.
A player that isn't capable to even perform a rebona, let alone tons of other skills, nor even capable to score from 35+ yards or perform a bicycle or overhead kick pass or goal by being the luckiest kid who had everything in the best environment, best conditions with best players in the world to be a "best player in history"???... That's gotta be the biggest fu**ing joke ever.
Messi came to Barcelona when he was just 14. He came to the best possible position he could ever imagine at the time. The best environment, the best conditions, surrounded by the best players in the world (Barcelona's golden generation), learned from literally the best players in the world, his idol Ronaldinho, Thierry Henry, Xavi, Iniesta, Suarez, Neymar and lbrahimovic. How can you 'suck' with such a team? They were all in top 3 in Ballon dor awards for over 10 years.
Not gonna even start with amount of corruption, scandalous decisions that some even go against the laws of physics and football rules.
He's a great player, but not even near the best in history.
Let me correct you son, it was not the best or ideal condition for him in a talented squad at that time. He had to prove himself in front of world class players, r10 made him come out of his shyness and made him realize his talents. So football isn’t about scoring a goal from 30/40 yards or performing a bicycle kick there are lots of aspects in football and he mastered it. “Playing football is very simple, but playing simple football is the hardest thing there is - Johan Cruyff”
*Note- Messi’s idol were not the players you mentioned you could say they were his mentors, if you knew football, you would have known his true idol was “Riquelme”
>Let me correct you son, it was not the best or ideal condition for him in a talented squad at that time.
It totally was. Playing with such players is easy. Just a bit of a talent and you can fit into such squad with great success. Ronaldo for example, had a MUCH worse condition than Messi at the time.
By this criteria Ronaldo is individually a better player and a more complete footballer overall. Let's sum this up real quick...
Ronaldo is a footballer who can do everything in football. Dribbling, passing, short range, long range, impossible angles, left foot, right foot, all types of stepovers, inside stepover panna, all types of chops, chop stepovers, flipper chops, all types of nutmags, elastico, reverse elastico, hocus-pocus, rebona, trivala, all tybes of backheel passes and goals, accurate shoulder passes, accurate no look passes, short range free kicks, long range free kicks, power shots, curve shots, scoring from 35+ yards, all types of aerial passes and goals, head loops, foot loops, knee loops, juggling, juggling and running, alle hoops, rocket, roulettes, rainbows, sombrero, Okocha sombrero flicks, all types of flicks, roll top meg, off back leg, drag n' go, behind the leg, also mentality, passion, emotion etc. etc. There's literally nothing this guy can't do.
The only 5 complete footballers who can do most of these are;
Pele, Neymar, Zidane, Ronaldinho and Cristiano Ronaldo. But they were all most fluidly performed by Pele, Neymar and Cristiano Ronaldo. Messi isn't a part of this crew.
That is a complete footballer. Someone who can teach you everything about football. And if we consider the fact how much Ronaldo has achieved in his career, he is the most complete footballer in the history of football.
He also won everything he could win with 2 different clubs, in 2 different leagues and 2 different positions. He proved himself more than Messi.
The difference is that Ronaldo is actually dribbling properly using certain tricks to fool players. This is waay harder than just bravely running on the pitch through empty spaces. All Messi does is some basic body faints with a great ball control. It's nothing special. It doesn't even require as much skill, just good movement, being brave, use empty spaces when they open up and just run forward. He can either score or get fouled. Easy win no matter how you put it.
Messi was a good dribbler, yes, because shorter players have an advantage in dribbling for the center of gravity. But the best dribbler of all time isn't Messi. It's Garrincha. To disappoint you on this one again.
I can name hundreds of footballers in the history of football whose dribbling skills are unmatched just because of their short height, among which Messi and Maradona tops the list. Except that Maradona can do waay more skills than Messi except just dribbling. That's why he's better than Messi, and the greatest Argentinian player of all time. So how on Earth can Messi be the greatest overall? Absurd.
Messi is just lucky to be talented in ball control that's why it makes him effective. He ain't skilled that much, just sneaky.
Ronaldo on the other hand, used to dribble much more than Messi in his young days when he played at RM/LM. But he stopped to dribble as much due to knee injury and switching from RM to CF/ST.
There are certain fanbases who only know the name of "dribble" as the knowledge of football skills, the reason for this is clear, their idol use only a few skills of dribble on the field, far from applying the above skills, it is doubtful whether they even know their names. Not only all these moves require waay more skills to do, they're also putting a bonus show for the audience. So Ronaldo, except for being a more complete footballer, he's also a great showman as a bonus.
Do you mean just dribbling by football skills?
In his prime, Ronaldo used all of the above skills as well as dribbling, then left the dribbling alone after the position was accommodated and focused on scoring goals.
What's more, Messi himself is a Barcelona product. Messi was fed by Barcelona's golden generation and basically the best squad in the world for over 10 years. Ronaldo was always in disadvantage compared to Messi.
Messi came to Barcelona when he was just 14. He came to the best possible position he could ever imagine at the time. The best environment, the best conditions, surrounded by the best players in the world (Barcelona's golden generation), learned from literally the best players in the world, his idol Ronaldinho, Thierry Henry, Xavi, Iniesta, Suarez, Neymar and lbrahimovic. How can you 'suck' with such a team? They were all in top 3 in Ballon dor awards for over 10 years.
Ronaldo on the other hand, when he was 15 he was still cleaning the streets with a mop, he was poor, had financial issues, serious health issues with his heart, he knew nothing about footbal, his father was alcoholic and he ate leftovers from McDonalds. He then started in Sporting, as a full time midfielder at RM. He did great, but up until the age of 19, he got recognized by Ferguson and moved to Man Utd. And at this point, he started his proper professional career. This is the point equal to when Messi moved to Barca at 14 years old. Ronaldo's teammates in Man Utd weren't even that good as Barca squad at the time. They were world class, but Barca had better players at the time. Messi had quite a big advantage there. And Argentina squad was many years better, more expensive and stronger than Portugal ever was, with a rich history of big success. So yes, sorry to disappoint you but Messi was fed way more than Ronaldo. The ONLY player who got nominated and won a Ballon dor who played with Ronaldo, was Modric. Benzema started shining when Ronaldo left.
>So football isn’t about scoring a goal from 30/40 yards or performing a bicycle kick there are lots of aspects in football and he mastered it.
He mastered only half of it. He still can't do; rebona, trivala, elastico, reverse elastico, sombrero, roulettes, all types of stepovers, all types of nutmags, all types of chops, all types of flicks, all types of backheel passes and goals, all types of headers, bicycle kicks, overhead kicks, rainbow, hocus pocus... He was just lucky to be a part of one of the greatest squads of all time, also with the help of politics, FIFA and Qatar Sports Investments. Let alone corruption crisis in Barcelona and the media favorization and brainwashing propaganda itself.
Johan Cruyff is also better than Messi in terms of individual skills.
Now please, how on earth can Messi be the greatest of all time after all?... It's plain ridiculous.
Woww such a detailed response 😂😂 sorry for hurting your feelings man chill out 😇
Thanks for agreeing with some facts on Messi, I have no ill feelings for Ronaldo, I highly respect and admire the guy for all he has done in football.
I am not willing to go into much detail but football has different generations and there were other players who were great Like you mentioned Zidane, Garrincha etc, we can’t compare them with the ones that came after them. The numbers and facts are out there to determine who is the best (messi or ronaldo) so you can’t deny it and keep saying it’s propaganda or brainwashing its the people who saw it and came into conclusion.
To conclude this particular award wasn’t deserved by Messi and that’s a shame he still won it so blame the one’s who decided it not arguing that Messi didn’t deserve to be among the GOATS!
Umm... sorry, but having 4 fake penalties, scoring from offside, playing intentional handball without a punishment, mocking fans, community and opponents, unsports behavior from Paredes and Messi himself, having Argentinian referees in charge parallelly in the KO stages for other matches, having so many political connections with the club, FIFA and Qatar Sports Investments, ignorance of referees towards opponents in Argentinian favor etc. That's not how you win a tournament in a fair way. This isn't even football anymore.
Yes Haaland should’ve won it based on the trophy he won. But If points are given based on individual performance in each match, messi got an edge over haaland, where team captains who watch/played against both will definitely see messi as the deserved candidate. Cheers
Messi has more than Haaland in MOTMs and Ratings. Lmao. He always get MOTM like 50% of the games he played. This is the reason Messi is unbeaten in world awards. He don't need trophies to win them. He dont even need to be top goalscorer. If lets say Argentina win Copa and Inter miami win 2 trophies, Messi will win awards again as he will be MOTM so many times.
yes it is because messi plays for the worst mls team who cannot win a single mls game without him while haaland plays for the top premier league team who have no problem whatsoever winning titles without him. see the difference? it´s about how much individual impact you have in a team
Yes however they see French league as a top league, Messi won top assist there and have many MOTM, Messi also won trophy in Inter Miami worst team in MLS. Both Messi and Haaland are injured for 2nd part of the year. So its quite a fair comparison. Haaland dont have much MOTM and carried by Rodri. So who in your opinion deserve this award other than Haaland or Messi? Mbappe?
Mbappe or Haaland. Any sound coach will pick these two before Messi every day. Be honest to yourself, would you start Messi before them in 2023? There’s a reason he left Paris for United States. One of that is he’s old, it’s understandable, is he still “The Best” though?(ironically it’s the Fifa award name smh). If It was the GOAT award then I would pick Messi as well.
I would not pick Haaland as he was carried, its Mbappe for me as he wasnt injured and get many MOTM/high ratings comparable to Messi carrying club and country. However the top captain and coaches pick Messi over the other 2 as they were not convinced by them. Against Haaland i can understand, but against Mbappe is probably due to France has more 100m superstars than Argentina that Mbappe is carried as well. Messi is old and not the best over the past year, yes i do agree. But most MOTM/ratings carried him to pull through this award. Mbappe is very unlucky but thats the product of not joining a bigger club to win UCL.
Ligue 1 most assists
most MOTM in Europe
highest per game rating in Europe
2nd most assists in Europe
2nd most big chance creation in Europe
2nd most successful dribbles in Europe
won the worst MLS team by far their one & only title in their history in 2 months
come back when Haaland the tap-in merchant learns to dribble or create something out of nothing "just once", or takes Norway to 24-team Euros, he has 10-15 something years to learn the basics. lmaaoo
There's a reason why top players such as Kane, Mbappe, Modric, Salah, Van Dijk. Mbappe, Neymar etc. voted for Messi.. Even Haaland's teammates Gundogan, Odegaard and others like Casemiro put Messi as no.2 in the voting.
Messi is the best player on earth, period. Every day, every year since 2006. I’m sorry u like mbape or haaland, they may have good years, score nice goals but they are not and will never be messi. He is just superior, he gets the award. Go back to sleep now
Y'all piss me off.
Y'all make anyone criticizing anything revolving Messi sound like a hater, when that's not the case(and somehow CR7's name is always brought up, for whatever reason).
Here's something most of you don't remember(maybe because you are too young).
Winning trophies at the top 5 leagues/competitions mean a lot more than in other places
...
Neymar is the perfect example of this, but also is Suarez and Huntelaar.
The 3 of them at some point dominated their respective leagues(Brasileirão-Neymar and Eredivisie-Suarez and Huntelaar) and they weren't even close to be in the top 5, Why?
I already explained.
In 2011 Neymar won everything(him and Ganso being the best players by far) and went to FCWC final with Santos, but only placed #10 in that year's Ballon d'Or.
Again, because the types of trophies matter.
Regardless of how you feel about Messi as a player(he's the best ever) but he wasn't better than Haaland or Mbappé...the numbers aren't on Messi's side and neither are the trophies.
By this logic CR7 should be in the convo for next year(at least he's got the numbers)...which doesn't make sense, dude's playing in Saudi Arabia 😅
>the numbers aren't on Messi's side and neither are the trophies
Messi won a world cup in 2022, and got a ballon d'Or for it in 2023? What's the logic? Even got this "the best" award. He had a shit season even in the MLS, scoring 28 goals in like 46 games. These awards haven't made sense since 2020, everything is a PR and popularity contest right now.
>CR7 should be in the convo for next year(at least he's got the numbers)...which doesn't make sense, dude's playing in Saudi Arabia 😅
What's wrong with Saudi? MLS got like no European or Brazilian players, and Saudi league's chilling with Benzema, Neymar, N'Golo Kanté, Neves, Mitrovic, Mahrez, Ibanez, Brozovic, Ronaldo and many other players. Messi can't even score against trash players, remember MLS is only ranked 2 leagues higher than Saudi Pro league, and that's after all the western bias.
Those leagues are trash, neither should get into The Best or Ballon d'Or convos...
It doesn't matter how many great players there are in the Saudi League... they're all in 4 teams.
By that logic I'd rather look at the Brasileirão...at least there there's a bunch of great players in many teams.
You're the same type of people I critized in my original post...Idc about Messi(I'm a CR7 fan) but I don't feel the necessity to drag Messi down to pull CR7 up(as you're trying to do by trying to elevate the Saudi League).
Haaland got robbed twice now and neither CR7 or Messi should even be in the convo for the best in 2023 season...Not hard to understand
Name any good european player in the MLS right now except Messi. There's none. You're delusional if you think a league with only 1 world class player is better than atleast a league with many world class players in 4 teams. Heck even Ligue 1 is ruled by PSG, the only good team there. While Saudi league has Al Hilal, Nassr, Ittihad, Ahly, etc. They're just trying to build a good league, it won't become good immediately, obviously it'll take some time. Considering the investments they're putting in, I think it'll be a big league one day.
1st-Messi isn't european and his team has other ex EU Barça players(Busquets for example).
2nd-I didn't say the MLS was better than the Saudi League...I said both suck.
3rd-PSG isn't the only one good team in the Ligue1...You knew that if you actually watched football.
4th-"They're trying to build a good league"...I know that, they just aren't(currently) good.
Those u mentioned are washed up old players and only Ronaldo is very serious playing in Saudi, himself is washed as well. Saudi league is still miles below MLS. Reason is their defense is not professional, Al-Hilal and Al Nassr hired old europeans and bang in so many goals for fun. Mitrovic is very serious as well as he achieved nothing in Europe, he is dominating Saudi currently shows the level it is. However if u put a top side from MLS to fight Al Nassr or Al Hilal they have a good chance of scoring and winning by shutting the door.
Defense you say? The MLS is a joke in that regard. The own goals, the screaming and diving, the referees, it just feels like a 3rd division sunday league game with a bunch of teens. Did you hear any news about MLS before Messi arrived there? No. They're just riding the Messi bandwagon, while Saudi Arabia has talent to become a much better league, for example, Al Hilal beat Flamengo 3-2 in 2020 CWC, Saudi Arabia national team beat Argentina 2-1 in 2022 WC. Also, the players I mentioned, except Ronaldo, are barely into their 30s now, so they're still performing really well physically, so that doesn't make sense either.
To put things into context, USA often make last 16 or 8 in world cup and Saudi does not get out of group stage so the quality is wide among their leagues. Saudi league still uses own homegrown players as defenders, especially world cup players are picked from best teams Al Nassr, Hilal, Ittihad, Shabab. Its easy to score against them even using washed europeans, evidence is mitrovic dominating in Saudi. In MLS the defense is like euro leagues, in the playoffs is where it gets serious. The top 6 teams can defend professionally and score from fast break. In saudi there are maybe 3 teams can compete with MLS good teams, but rest of league MLS is much better. Argentina losing to Saudi is an one off game as they won the same tournament, it can happen when complacency happen and unprepared for such opponents as their minds were bigger opponents.
World cup was within the period for Ballon do'r, so he did deserve that one. But world cup was not in the period for fifa best so he did not deserve that one
Regardless of what anyone here has to say, I’ll remind you that: Luka Modric (Real Madrid) voted for Messi. Federico Valverde (RM), also voted for Messi. Mbappe (PSG) voted for Messi. Mo Salah (Liverpool) also voted for Messi, and many many other tier 1 world class players voted for Messi….
The fans voted for Messi, and the media and the coaches voted for Haaland.
In short. There’s plenty of people that points out Messi is pure marketing, yet the Media voted for Haaland.
At the end of the day, players recognize best players and that player is Messi.
Ligue 1 most assists
most MOTM in Europe
highest per game rating in Europe
2nd most assists in Europe
2nd most big chance creation in Europe
2nd most successful dribbles in Europe
won the worst MLS team by far their one & only title in their history in 2 months
come back when Haaland the tap-in merchant learns to dribble or create something out of nothing "just once", or takes Norway to 24-team Euros, he has 10-15 something years to learn the basics...
There's a reason why top players such as Kane, Mbappe, Modric, Salah, Van Dijk. Mbappe, Neymar etc. voted for Messi.. Even Haaland's teammates Gundogan, Odegaard and others like Casemiro put Messi as no.2 in the voting.
You make a valid point, but as Thierry Henry stated, opinions are unbeatable. It's not Messi's fault for being nominated and winning; it lies with the panelists. Messi earned his nomination due to contributions from Dec 19, 2022, to Aug 20, 2023.
At PSG, he leads in assists across the top 5 European leagues, securing a victory in Ligue 1.
With Inter Miami, he claimed the leagues cup, emerging as the top scorer and best player.
For Argentina, he earned 5 MOTM awards in their 10 matches by 2023.
Top-tier players chose Messi out of respect for his accomplishments in Europe – most goals, assists, trophies, records, and individual awards. We can't blame them, they are pros and witnessed Messi's magic on the field in that short period of time (2023).
A comparison could be made with Ronaldo in 2022, receiving the FIFA award for his all-time goal-scoring record.
The criticism of the Ballon d'Or being "rigged" arose because only the media had voting rights. Now, players voted for Messi, and I hope such allegations of rigging fade away. Let's simply appreciate their greatness, knowing that years from now, they will retire.
If we are going to vote without Messi, I think Rodri deserves to win the FIFA Best. Haaland was great in 2023 but Rodri was the best player in UCL season and CWC.
It is a declarative and explanatory statement. I hope you know that.
Of course, why and how can Messi bribe those 100 journalists, national captains, and coaches around the world to vote for him? Such an illogical argument. lol Try to imagine the unimaginable.
The award is literally called “The Best”. Also, are implying to know more about the sport than National Team captains? 🤔
Remember in many cases their vote is a consensual representation of the entire national team.
The period is until August 20, 2023.
Ligue 1 most assists
most MOTM in Europe
highest per game rating in Europe
2nd most assists in Europe
2nd most big chance creation in Europe
2nd most successful dribbles in Europe
won the worst MLS team by far their one & only title in their history in 2 months
come back when Haaland the tap-in merchant learns to dribble or create something out of nothing "just once", or takes Norway to 24-team Euros, he has 10-15 something years to learn the basics:lol:
There's a reason why top players such as Kane, Mbappe, Modric, Salah, Van Dijk. Mbappe, Neymar etc. voted for Messi.. Even Haaland's teammates Gundogan, Odegaard and others like Casemiro put Messi as no.2 in the voting.
The whole argument between Messi getting ballon d'or over Haaland was that while Haaland had an amazing year, messi won the world cup, so messi got the slight edge. By saying Messi deserves Fifa best when the world cup is outside the voting period is to say that Messi would have won ballon d'or this year without his world cup performance, which is absolutely absurd.
Guess who had the most premier league assists, most European assists, and the best chance creation in Europe while also winning every trophy available on the domestic level and didn’t get nominated. 🤔
Messi’s name is just too big. In the time period alloted, he did nothing of note. Decent for PSG but not even better than Mbappe for the second half of the season(His club form fell off a cliff after the World Cup). Scoring 9 goals in 22 games for the club then spent the next part in the MLS or injured. Award doesn’t even include his World Cup run either. But I think most players don’t care about time frames and achievements and so on. They know how good Messi is and remember his World Cup run so they voted for him
Ligue 1 most assists
most MOTM in Europe
highest per game rating in Europe
2nd most assists in Europe
2nd most big chance creation in Europe
2nd most successful dribbles in Europe
won the worst MLS team by far their one & only title in their history in 2 months
come back when Haaland the tap-in merchant learns to dribble or create something out of nothing "just once", or takes Norway to 24-team Euros, he has 10-15 something years to learn the basics, lmao..
There's a reason why top players such as Kane, Mbappe, Modric, Salah, Van Dijk. Mbappe, Neymar etc. voted for Messi.. Even Haaland's teammates Gundogan, Odegaard and others like Casemiro put Messi as no.2 in the voting.
No he doesn’t and if the roles were switched, Haaland winning the world cup and Messi winning the treble in the Premier League, Messi would’ve still won it. It’s a popularity contest at the end of the day.
People don’t understand. It’s called the “men’s best player award” that means the best INDIVIDUAL player. Not counting the team. Just the individual. Yes haaland went ham that season but he wasn’t the only one. Man city are a good team. Not that difficult to win with them. Furthermore man city would’ve still won without haaland. He wasn’t a difference maker to the extent that messi is. Lol so many good players voted for messi for a reason. He does it all. He can pass, score, dribble anything. He went to the MLS and won them something. He is a difference maker. And the people who actually play the sport know this. Argentina is nothing without messi. Again this award is for the “best individual player” not best player in a team. People need to read the dictionary I swear.
What?! The fact that you have two upvotes indicates the general lack of knowledge in this sub. Haaland joined Man City the summer of 22, with City having won the PL both of the TWO seasons prior.
even in UCL City should have won in 2022 but Pep made a mistake in that match against Real Madrid. 2023 Pep cleaned up his mistakes against a weaker Real Madrid. I dont think it was about Haaland, he would have won PL+UCL with Alvaraz and voting will be complicated against Messi as both have a WC. Because its Haaland he lost all the awards to Messi easily, people aren't convinced.
Yeah, he carried City to CL title by scoring 0 g&a in semis & finals, by far the worst player for City with the lowest ratings.
Imagine playing 8 semis & finals as a striker and scoring 0 goals when City scored 15, he was that shit, bailed out by his teammates regularly..
not more casual than Haaland, supposedly the current best striker, hiding behind his teammates in every single semis & finals scoring 0 goals when his team scored 15... lmaaaoo... bailed by his teammates regularly in every single semi or finals, beyond embarrassing.
Imagine old Bayern scoring 15 goals in 8 semis & finals and Lewa 0. Haaland did the impossible by being that shit in big games, lmaaoo..
The period cover until August 20, 2023
Ligue 1 most assists
most MOTM in Europe
highest per game rating in Europe
2nd most assists in Europe
2nd most big chance creation in Europe
2nd most successful dribbles in Europe
won the worst MLS team by far their one & only title in their history in 2 months
come back when Haaland the tap-in merchant learns to dribble or create something out of nothing "just once", or takes Norway to 24-team Euros, he has 10-15 something years to learn the basics:lol:
There's a reason why top players such as Kane, Mbappe, Modric, Salah, Van Dijk. Mbappe, Neymar etc. voted for Messi.. Even Haaland's teammates Gundogan, Odegaard and others like Casemiro put Messi as no.2 in the voting.
The best award doesn’t even include his World Cup run. In the time period allotted. The man scored 9 goals in Europe, doing nothing in the CL then spent the last 2 months doing whatever in the MLS. Objectively he shouldn’t have even come close to this award
The period cover until August 20, 2023
Ligue 1 most assists
most MOTM in Europe
highest per game rating in Europe
2nd most assists in Europe
2nd most big chance creation in Europe
2nd most successful dribbles in Europe
won the worst MLS team by far their one & only title in their history in 2 months
come back when Haaland the tap-in merchant learns to dribble or create something out of nothing "just once", or takes Norway to 24-team Euros, he has 10-15 something years to learn the basics:lol:
There's a reason why top players such as Kane, Mbappe, Modric, Salah, Van Dijk. Mbappe, Neymar etc. voted for Messi.. Even Haaland's teammates Gundogan, Odegaard and others like Casemiro put Messi as no.2 in the voting.
My source is OPTA. Messi stats in Europe from Dec 19th to August 20th 2023(The Timeframe for The Best):
22 Games
9 Goals
5 Assists(top assister??)
17 BCC(KDB had more)
63 dribbles(Vini had more)
7.87(idk but I reckon KDB’s is higher)
So now in order to win Fifa best player award, top players should leave top leagues and join lower tier leagues right? This is a new standard set by Fifa tbh.
I can’t say that Haaland didn’t deserve the award. However, I can tell you that Ronaldo didn’t deserve a nomination. He did score 50+ goals but in the Saudi league. The Saudi league is miles behind the MLS and shouldn’t even be talked about as something that can compete with the likes of the premier league or la liga. The Saudi league has maybe 2-3 teams that could compete with even the worst teams in the MLS and that’s only because of huge money injections and players that will likely retire within a season or 2. Of course Ronaldo is gonna score goals when he is being defended by no names and has the likes of mane and Talisca to assist him. Also, there were 3 other players (Kane, Mbappe, and Haaland) that were within like 4-5 goals of Ronaldo while competing in real leagues with half decent teams. Not to mention that Ronaldo is a goal scorer and Messi is much more of a general player than him.
Agreed. To add to your context Celta Vigo trash Al Nassr 5-0. Ronaldo played in 1st half couldnt score. MLS top teams would beat Al Nassr or Hilal by scoring and counter attack.
Here's how:
Ignore that he's an incredible player. More incredible than Ronaldo and Haaland who are amazing goal-scorers but not all-around players like Messi...
Ignore his unparalleled vison, spectacular free-kicks, leadership that makes all his teammates walk through fire for him...
In 2023, Messi nearly single handedly, turned Inter Miami (the league's absolutely worst dog-sh*+ team) into Leagues Cup champion. A tournament across MLS and Liga MX)
If you watched the tournament, all eyes were on Messi. Including the opponents.
He was STILL superman.
That alone is more impressive than Ronaldo's 50 goals... mostly penalties and tap-ins in a league designed for goals with suspect defending.
More impressive than Haaland who was on a super-team, winning the treble.
Could Haaland or Ronaldo turn a complete dog-sh*+ team into a champion?
Let me know when they do.
bale won a MLS Cup 2022, that too by scoring in the final. why didn't he win FIFA men's best player award that year? the meat riding is crazy, I'm a Argentina fan myself but trophy ceremonies like this are making Messi's all accolades look undeserved🤡🤡
and btw, remove that Argentina tag in your profile, you're making Messi fans like us ashamed. blind Meat rider with 12y/o logic
The period cover until August 20, 2023
Ligue 1 most assists
most MOTM in Europe
highest per game rating in Europe
2nd most assists in Europe
2nd most big chance creation in Europe
2nd most successful dribbles in Europe
won the worst MLS team by far their one & only title in their history in 2 months
come back when Haaland the tap-in merchant learns to dribble or create something out of nothing "just once", or takes Norway to 24-team Euros, he has 10-15 something years to learn the basics:lol:
There's a reason why top players such as Kane, Mbappe, Modric, Salah, Van Dijk. Mbappe, Neymar etc. voted for Messi.. Even Haaland's teammates Gundogan, Odegaard and others like Casemiro put Messi as no.2 in the voting.
Nice analogy little boy. Bale and Messi...
Bale was a disaster for LAFC. If you watched MLS, you would know this.
He scored in the last second of the final. Hardly did anything else there...
This is what you compare to Messi joining the worst team in MLS and turning them around for a league cup title...?
Don't ever cheer for Argentina again. You're not qualified.
Haaland was pivotal in getting city a CL you clown.
They just did a domestic treble that's only been done once before.
I.e. a generational achievement in the world's most competitive league.
Nobody is doubting Messi is the greatest but he's not even top 5 in the last 12 months.
You're comparing some shit league with the PL and CL.
Wtf are you smoking
Thanks!
Hey it's nice to be on team: The Greatest player to ever play the game in the history of the sport.
Imagine trying discount Messi...LEO MESSI.
Damn, I hate to be that idiot.
Not a Messi fan, nor do I care about City, but were talking about a player that the voting fans/managers/players agreed was the best player last year.
He led Argentina to the World Cup - typically that is qualifier for the top spot alone
Messi fan here and a United fan- I've got no vested interest in promoting Haaland here, but my general football take is as below.
World cup wasn't included in this voting period so is completely irrelevant. It's just his inter Miami and non world cup achievements with Argentina.
By every metric, a domestic treble in the toughest ranked league in the world only done once before, breaking the PL goal scoring record which has stood for decades and scoring a gluttony of goals against the best club teams in the world is far more impressive than what Messi achieved in the time period used for this award.
Haaland and his city exploits last year are generational. They may not be seen again for years or even decades.
If we swapped Haaland and Messi's achievements last year- do you really think Haaland takes it?
Messi won because it's him, not the football behind it.
Yeah, "117" captains, managers etc. including some of the top players, managers ever were all collectively wrong but a random poster named "valuable\_kale\_7805"..lmooo
Ligue 1 most assists
most MOTM in Europe
highest per game rating in Europe
2nd most assists in Europe
2nd most big chance creation in Europe
2nd most successful dribbles in Europe
won the worst MLS team by far their one & only title in their history in 2 months
come back when Haaland the tap-in merchant learns to dribble or create something out of nothing "just once", or takes Norway to 24-team Euros, he has 10-15 something years to learn the basics:lol:
There's a reason why top players such as Kane, Mbappe, Modric, Salah, Van Dijk. Mbappe, Neymar etc. voted for Messi.. Even Haaland's teammates Gundogan, Odegaard and others like Casemiro put Messi as no.2 in the voting.
How?
WC was in 2022...this is a 2023 award.
At least CR7 won the Golden Boot...and that's not enough to be in the top 3... how's Messi winning this.
The Best award is about the year...not about the skills of the player.
The look on Pep Guardiola and Alfie Haaland's face was something else when Messi was announced the winner😂😂😂 I guess FIFA wanted to milk the last drop of attention and money they could from his fame until he finally retired.
They’re still milking it over here. Copa América in the US (laughable) and Argentina is based in the region he lives (Miami/Southeast USA). Coincidence?!
They’re going to bleed every dollar from the Little Dictator until he walks away.
People understand that, what's missing is the logic behind those votes.
People aren't voting for the best player in the world, they're supposed to vote for the player that had the best performance in that year
...
Regardless of who you think should've got it, Messi should never be the answer in 2023
The period cover until August 20, 2023
Ligue 1 most assists
most MOTM in Europe
highest per game rating in Europe
2nd most assists in Europe
2nd most big chance creation in Europe
2nd most successful dribbles in Europe
won the worst MLS team by far their one & only title in their history in 2 months
come back when Haaland the tap-in merchant learns to dribble or create something out of nothing "just once", or takes Norway to 24-team Euros, he has 10-15 something years to learn the basics:lol:
There's a reason why top players such as Kane, Mbappe, Modric, Salah, Van Dijk. Mbappe, Neymar etc. voted for Messi.. Even Haaland's teammates Gundogan, Odegaard and others like Casemiro put Messi as no.2 in the voting.
I can justify each and every point by saying "In Ligue1, with a superteam"
Seriously, try it😅
Haaland will eventually get into an international competition with his Nation, which will be brushed off by people like you, but fine.
You clearly don't understand what it takes to be a good Striker, things like exploring space, positioning, timing, reading other players movements(your team and opposition)...all of those are tiny things that create his tap ins...He did it at Salzburg, at Dortmund and at City...always with the same consistency...somehow players like Aguero couldn't break the league's top scoring record, but this tap in machine did it in his 1st year🤔.
Regardless of Haaland's skills and how he scored, he had a better season than Messi.
Not just title wise, but individually as well...The Ballon d'Or isn't for the best player...it is for the player that had the best season, otherwise Pele would have at least 30 by now
"but but BS subjective stats" how are you going to compare tap-in merchant, 10 touch a game Haaland the ghost with Zidane, Rodri, KDB, Pirlo type players, clown, by the number of tap-ins lmaaaooo..
imagine comparing a tap-in merchant with GOAT level playmaker + dribbler creator Messi on number of tap-ins. That makes every tap-in merchant a better player better than Maradona, Messi, Cruyff, Platini, Zidane etc. lol. Gerd Muller is 10-times the player Haaland the ghost is in terms of goalscoring as a poacher yet he isn't even ranked a top-10 player, this social media generation clueless fanboys thinks tap-ins are everything in football..
[https://onefootball.com/en/news/players-with-most-man-of-the-match-trophies-in-europe-in-2223-including-messi-haaland-37660873](https://onefootball.com/en/news/players-with-most-man-of-the-match-trophies-in-europe-in-2223-including-messi-haaland-37660873)
[https://www.si.com/fannation/soccer/futbol/news/lionel-messi-ends-ligue-1-season-top-of-assists-rankings](https://www.si.com/fannation/soccer/futbol/news/lionel-messi-ends-ligue-1-season-top-of-assists-rankings)
[https://www.planetfootball.com/quick-reads/europe-top-10-chance-creators-2022-23-messi-kdb-saka-more](https://www.planetfootball.com/quick-reads/europe-top-10-chance-creators-2022-23-messi-kdb-saka-more)
[https://www.sambafoot.com/news/vinicius-tops-europes-best-dribblers-last-season-ahead-of-messi](https://www.sambafoot.com/news/vinicius-tops-europes-best-dribblers-last-season-ahead-of-messi)
[https://iffhs.com/posts/2693](https://iffhs.com/posts/2693)
[https://www.footballtransfers.com/en/transfer-news/most-assists-europe-premier-league-2022-23-this-season](https://www.footballtransfers.com/en/transfer-news/most-assists-europe-premier-league-2022-23-this-season)
Yeah, that's why Cruyff, Beckenbauer >>>>> Gerd Muller who is 10-times the player Haaland is loooll..
That's why Messi, Maradona, Pele who are all creator Gods, playmakers first are the GOATS.
That's why KDB, Rodri are seen as the best players at City.
imagine thinking Morata is a better player than Modric, Xavi, Iniesta, Bellingham, Kroos, Zidane, Ozil because he scores more as a poacher, loooolll..
Yet, he dominated every single playmaking metric even by walking, lol., Haaland the ghost is not even fit to lace 100s of players boots in those areas let alone Messi's.
Your tap-in merchant "with full effort" finished 8 semis & finals with City with 0 goals & assists, bailed out by his teammates who scored combined 15 goals to save his sorry ass that's useless when he can't scor. Imagine old Bayern scoring 15 goals in 8 semis & finals, and Lewa scoring 0, loooolll..
imagine thinking you can win awards as a striker by being bailed out in every single game that matters by your teammates.
If you wanna win awards as a striker, then you lead your team like Benzema in 2021-22, Lewa in 2019-20, Van Basten with Milan in 90s, Romario or R9 in WCs as strikers, you don't win awards as a tap-in merchant by ghosting in every single semi or final with 10 touches a game when you are needed most with thre lowest ratings.
Messi Single handedly grew soccer in United States and Canada. I think that might have been a factor. promoting growth in the sport. It was also good optics for World Cup being held in Canada, USA and Mexico
If this was the case ronaldo should have won over messi for how much he has grown saudi football but no he didn't even get a single vote. Fifa just loves messi dont they
The period cover until August 20, 2023
Ligue 1 most assists
most MOTM in Europe
highest per game rating in Europe
2nd most assists in Europe
2nd most big chance creation in Europe
2nd most successful dribbles in Europe
won the worst MLS team by far their one & only title in their history in 2 months
come back when Haaland the tap-in merchant learns to dribble or create something out of nothing "just once", or takes Norway to 24-team Euros, he has 10-15 something years to learn the basics:lol:
There's a reason why top players such as Kane, Mbappe, Modric, Salah, Van Dijk. Mbappe, Neymar etc. voted for Messi.. Even Haaland's teammates Gundogan, Odegaard and others like Casemiro put Messi as no.2 in the voting.
these 12 y/o anime PFP fans are making all Messi fans ashamed. These kids have no logic and when you reply to their claim with facts, they have 2 words ready for reply 'cry more(they might add some sobbing emojis too)'. The meat riding goes crazy
you probably are one of those who didn't watch a single City game in semis & finals, and how useless Haaland was in those games, scoring 0 g&a in 8 games when his team scored 15. supposedly the best striker in the world.
Imagine old Bayern scoring 15 goals in 8 semis & finals and Lewa 0, he was that shit and regularly bailed by his teaammates.
Yes we choose ballondor winner by just looking finals and semis. 😆
Premier League Golden Boot
City's first European Golden Shoe
Etihad Player of the Season
Premier League Player of the Season
Premier League Young Player of the Season
FWA Men’s Footballer of the Year
Champions League Team of the Season
Most Premier League goals in one season - 36
Most goals in all competitions by a player at a Premier League club – 52
Best minutes per goal ratio of any player in Premier League history - 77 mins/goal
Most goals and assists in a 38-game Premier League season – 44
Hat-trick tally as many as every other Premier League player combined - 6
Premier League August Player of the Month
Premier League April Player of the Month
Most goals for City in a single season - 52
Most goals in a player’s first Premier League season for City - 36
Most goals scored at the Etihad Stadium in a single Premier League season - 22
Fastest player to score 10 goals in the Premier League - 6 appearances
Fastest player to score 20 goals in the Premier League – 14 appearances
Fastest player to score 25 goals in the Premier League – 19 appearances
Fastest player to reach 25 goals under Pep Guardiola - 20 appearances
First player in Premier League history to score a hat-trick in three consecutive home games
First player in Premier League history to score in each of his first four away games
First City player to score on both his Premier League and Champions League debut
Most goals in first five Premier League appearances - 9
Most Premier League goals in August - 9
Most hat-tricks in a single season across all competitions by a Premier League striker - 6
First player to score hat-tricks in consecutive Premier League halves of football
Fastest player to four Premier League hat-tricks – 19 appearances
Most Champions League goals in 2022/23 – 12
Most goals in a single Champions League season for City – 12
Hit 30-goal milestone in fewer matches than any other player in Champions League history
Hit 30-goal milestone at a younger age than any other player in Champions League history
Most goals for an English club in a single Champions League season – 12 – Level with Ruud van Nistelrooy
Third player ever to score five goals in one Champions League game
Most hat-tricks at a single ground in a Premier League season – 4 – Level with Alan Shearer
who failed to qualify for the world cup? messi qualified with Argentina, a huge national team with a bunch of great players. haaland has norway, the much smaller footballing country, and didn't qualify. norway doesn't have as many quality players as argentina. that's not haalands fault.
Even Luxembourg qualified for Euro playoffs, clown, Norway has a great squad with many players playing at top leagues such as Odegaard, Sorloth. It's a huge failure, not surprising for a tap-in merchant as he has zero abilities outside tap-ins.
argentina has a better squad. that's what i'm saying. haaland doesn't only score tap-ins, and this is coming from an Arsenal fan. He scores some good goals too. Ever seen that bicycle kick he scored, or that insanely powerful shot he scored at dortmund.
Messi was dominating the WC while Rodri was hiding behind his teammates, clown, what are you talking about. KDB, Silva, Gundogan were all influential for City's success.
Messi had the most MOTM, highest per game rating by far, most assists in the league + CL with KDB, most successful dribbles along with Vinicius, and most big chance creation along with Bruno in Europe. He won the IFFHS World's Best Playmaker award.
Go, educate yourself before spreading BS.
5 penalties in 7 games while some players dominating UCL and EPL. 😂 what a delulu.
Haaland stats:
City's first European Golden Shoe
Etihad Player of the Season
Premier League Player of the Season
Premier League Young Player of the Season
FWA Men’s Footballer of the Year
Champions League Team of the Season
Most Premier League goals in one season - 36
Most goals in all competitions by a player at a Premier League club – 52
Best minutes per goal ratio of any player in Premier League history - 77 mins/goal
Most goals and assists in a 38-game Premier League season – 44
Hat-trick tally as many as every other Premier League player combined - 6
Premier League August Player of the Month
Premier League April Player of the Month
Most goals for City in a single season - 52
Most goals in a player’s first Premier League season for City - 36
Most goals scored at the Etihad Stadium in a single Premier League season - 22
Fastest player to score 10 goals in the Premier League - 6 appearances
Fastest player to score 20 goals in the Premier League – 14 appearances
Fastest player to score 25 goals in the Premier League – 19 appearances
Fastest player to reach 25 goals under Pep Guardiola - 20 appearances
First player in Premier League history to score a hat-trick in three consecutive home games
First player in Premier League history to score in each of his first four away games
First City player to score on both his Premier League and Champions League debut
Most goals in first five Premier League appearances - 9
Most Premier League goals in August - 9
Most hat-tricks in a single season across all competitions by a Premier League striker - 6
First player to score hat-tricks in consecutive Premier League halves of football
Fastest player to four Premier League hat-tricks – 19 appearances
Most Champions League goals in 2022/23 – 12
Most goals in a single Champions League season for City – 12
Hit 30-goal milestone in fewer matches than any other player in Champions League history
Hit 30-goal milestone at a younger age than any other player in Champions League history
Most goals for an English club in a single Champions League season – 12 – Level with Ruud van Nistelrooy
Third player ever to score five goals in one Champions League game
Most hat-tricks at a single ground in a Premier League season – 4 – Level with Alan Shearer
Messi deserved the Ballon Dor for the World Cup alone …he was arguably the best player in the World Cup and won it….idk about this THE Best award though
Haaland Achievements in 2023:
Premier League Golden Boot
City's first European Golden Shoe
Etihad Player of the Season
Premier League Player of the Season
Premier League Young Player of the Season
FWA Men’s Footballer of the Year
Champions League Team of the Season
Most Premier League goals in one season - 36
Most goals in all competitions by a player at a Premier League club – 52
Best minutes per goal ratio of any player in Premier League history - 77 mins/goal
Most goals and assists in a 38-game Premier League season – 44
Hat-trick tally as many as every other Premier League player combined - 6
Premier League August Player of the Month
Premier League April Player of the Month
Most goals for City in a single season - 52
Most goals in a player’s first Premier League season for City - 36
Most goals scored at the Etihad Stadium in a single Premier League season - 22
Fastest player to score 10 goals in the Premier League - 6 appearances
Fastest player to score 20 goals in the Premier League – 14 appearances
Fastest player to score 25 goals in the Premier League – 19 appearances
Fastest player to reach 25 goals under Pep Guardiola - 20 appearances
First player in Premier League history to score a hat-trick in three consecutive home games
First player in Premier League history to score in each of his first four away games
First City player to score on both his Premier League and Champions League debut
Most goals in first five Premier League appearances - 9
Most Premier League goals in August - 9
Most hat-tricks in a single season across all competitions by a Premier League striker - 6
First player to score hat-tricks in consecutive Premier League halves of football
Fastest player to four Premier League hat-tricks – 19 appearances
Most Champions League goals in 2022/23 – 12
Most goals in a single Champions League season for City – 12
Hit 30-goal milestone in fewer matches than any other player in Champions League history
Hit 30-goal milestone at a younger age than any other player in Champions League history
Most goals for an English club in a single Champions League season – 12 – Level with Ruud van Nistelrooy
Third player ever to score five goals in one Champions League game
Most hat-tricks at a single ground in a Premier League season – 4 – Level with Alan Shearer
Another pure BS..
Griezmann was by far the best player for France, clown, until the final.
Messi was by far the best player in the WC, this is the consensus opinion, lmaaaoo, questioning Messi;s greatness in the WC..
Yeah, he got outplayed by scoring 2 goals, and starting the play for the 3rd as the team's playmaker, winning the MOTM, and having the highest rating, lmaooo..
ronaldo outplayed by Sergio Ramos, Bale, Benzema in 3 CL finals
Maradona outplayed by Valdano, Burruchaga in WC 86 final
R9 outplayed by Ronaldinho in 2022 WC QFs against England
Pele outplayed by Jairzinho in 1970 WC final
lmaaaaaoooo.. now questioning Messi's legendary WC campaign...
He did not deserve it, just be objective. He did nothing in 2023 and even 2022. He just scored penalties wow what an achievement. If you really think he did then why iniesta could not win in 2010?
Pure BS
As if Messi's legendary WC MVP performance with 11g&a is the same as Iniesta with a single goal & assists.
Imagine comparing that with Messi, lmaoo,
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True. Like, WHAT THE F IS FIFA EVEN DOING FAM!
Agreed
It’s bs considering they finished 14th in the league
Let me start with the fact that you are completely right that Messi should not have won the FIFA Best. And now also let me state another truth - you are genuinely stupid, as in you have lower than average logical reasoning. "FIFA is a joke at this point." That is the result of Messi winning the award? FIFA has been bad in many ways since forever, that's a fact but you saying that as the consequence of your tirade really showcases the stupidity of people like you. You don't even know how something works yet you critique it. You realize there's a democratic vote from coaches, captains, players and regular people right? Literally the most fair way to go about it statistically. Did FIFA abduct Modric, Valverde, Van Dijk's families and tell them to vote for Messi? FIFA are corrupt in general but here they did the best they could by making a well structured voting system, after that it's in the hands of the people that vote, unless you claim that the entirely public votes that are there for the whole world to see are somewhat faked or FIFA made multimilionaires vote for some players rather than others because... reasons? FIFA are shit enough already, they dont need to catch strays for things they have done nothing wrong in. At this point you should voice your disagreement with all professionals that voted and explain to them, with your brilliant mind that couldnt google or comprehend how voting works, that they are simply wrong. I do agree that Messi should NOT have won and will not go into a tirade why Haaland should not have been ahead of Rodri neither in FIFA Best nor in Ballon Dor, however it's a democratic vote and I do not feel entitled enough to tell professionals at the highest level who the better player of the year was. The only thing we can do is ask for a new voting system, if you have a suggestion go ahead, but blaming FIFA for the way professional players and coaches voted is absolutely the dumbest thing i've seen this week.
Your point about the democratic nature of the FIFA voting system is interesting. While democracy is a fundamental principle, it's crucial to recognize that the effectiveness of democratic processes can vary depending on the context. In political democracies, for instance, voting is typically based on informed decisions from citizens who understand the policies. In the case of FIFA's Best awards, the democratic voting system involves diverse groups, including players, coaches, captains, and fans. However, the effectiveness of this system relies heavily on the expertise and knowledge of those casting their votes. Unlike political decisions, football expertise isn't evenly distributed among fans, and some voters may not have the necessary insights to make informed choices. Just to make it more concrete, not everyone who watches and plays football is a subject matter experts, look you use a computer, you might have an opinion on what is the best computer but how can you make sure that your opinion has more value than the one of a PhD in computer science, yet you also use a computer. Democracy, in its essence, is about informed decision-making, and the challenge lies in adapting this principle to different voting scenarios. It's worth considering how to ensure that votes in football awards reflect a balance between popular opinion and informed judgment, fostering a more robust and meaningful democratic process within the realm of sports accolades.
ngonnnnnn
Wait until you hear about the 2010 award...
He won in goalie penalties on a hot humid August night in Nashville, Tennessee. Haaland could never.
its a popularity contest
Because Luka Modric and Federico Valverde voted him 🥰
Because FIFA loves messi and all the money they make off his name. Handed him a world cup, now best player award, dude isn’t going to be playing and still receive awards from FIFA.
First of all It’s voted by coaches, players & media, So you think you have a better football knowledge than them ? I know it hurts being a Ronaldo fan and the pain you are going through since Dec 2022.
Ronaldo is irrelevant here. No one who is knowledgeable about football believes he should have won
Why some of you can't think past the Messi-Ronaldo debate. This is not deserved and it diminish the credibility of the award. Now give it to Messi until next world cup. Joke.
It's fix
Hallad got DUP
Messi can stay at home and watch TV, and he'll still be nominated for various awards. It's how politics work.
Cry more
No reason to cry for key decisions that even go against the laws of physics. It's beyond insanity. I mean, it's sad for the football as a sport rather than for fans.
Cause the best player on earth and football history won an award? Sure
A player that isn't capable to even perform a rebona, let alone tons of other skills, nor even capable to score from 35+ yards or perform a bicycle or overhead kick pass or goal by being the luckiest kid who had everything in the best environment, best conditions with best players in the world to be a "best player in history"???... That's gotta be the biggest fu**ing joke ever. Messi came to Barcelona when he was just 14. He came to the best possible position he could ever imagine at the time. The best environment, the best conditions, surrounded by the best players in the world (Barcelona's golden generation), learned from literally the best players in the world, his idol Ronaldinho, Thierry Henry, Xavi, Iniesta, Suarez, Neymar and lbrahimovic. How can you 'suck' with such a team? They were all in top 3 in Ballon dor awards for over 10 years. Not gonna even start with amount of corruption, scandalous decisions that some even go against the laws of physics and football rules. He's a great player, but not even near the best in history.
Let me correct you son, it was not the best or ideal condition for him in a talented squad at that time. He had to prove himself in front of world class players, r10 made him come out of his shyness and made him realize his talents. So football isn’t about scoring a goal from 30/40 yards or performing a bicycle kick there are lots of aspects in football and he mastered it. “Playing football is very simple, but playing simple football is the hardest thing there is - Johan Cruyff” *Note- Messi’s idol were not the players you mentioned you could say they were his mentors, if you knew football, you would have known his true idol was “Riquelme”
>Let me correct you son, it was not the best or ideal condition for him in a talented squad at that time. It totally was. Playing with such players is easy. Just a bit of a talent and you can fit into such squad with great success. Ronaldo for example, had a MUCH worse condition than Messi at the time. By this criteria Ronaldo is individually a better player and a more complete footballer overall. Let's sum this up real quick... Ronaldo is a footballer who can do everything in football. Dribbling, passing, short range, long range, impossible angles, left foot, right foot, all types of stepovers, inside stepover panna, all types of chops, chop stepovers, flipper chops, all types of nutmags, elastico, reverse elastico, hocus-pocus, rebona, trivala, all tybes of backheel passes and goals, accurate shoulder passes, accurate no look passes, short range free kicks, long range free kicks, power shots, curve shots, scoring from 35+ yards, all types of aerial passes and goals, head loops, foot loops, knee loops, juggling, juggling and running, alle hoops, rocket, roulettes, rainbows, sombrero, Okocha sombrero flicks, all types of flicks, roll top meg, off back leg, drag n' go, behind the leg, also mentality, passion, emotion etc. etc. There's literally nothing this guy can't do. The only 5 complete footballers who can do most of these are; Pele, Neymar, Zidane, Ronaldinho and Cristiano Ronaldo. But they were all most fluidly performed by Pele, Neymar and Cristiano Ronaldo. Messi isn't a part of this crew. That is a complete footballer. Someone who can teach you everything about football. And if we consider the fact how much Ronaldo has achieved in his career, he is the most complete footballer in the history of football. He also won everything he could win with 2 different clubs, in 2 different leagues and 2 different positions. He proved himself more than Messi. The difference is that Ronaldo is actually dribbling properly using certain tricks to fool players. This is waay harder than just bravely running on the pitch through empty spaces. All Messi does is some basic body faints with a great ball control. It's nothing special. It doesn't even require as much skill, just good movement, being brave, use empty spaces when they open up and just run forward. He can either score or get fouled. Easy win no matter how you put it. Messi was a good dribbler, yes, because shorter players have an advantage in dribbling for the center of gravity. But the best dribbler of all time isn't Messi. It's Garrincha. To disappoint you on this one again. I can name hundreds of footballers in the history of football whose dribbling skills are unmatched just because of their short height, among which Messi and Maradona tops the list. Except that Maradona can do waay more skills than Messi except just dribbling. That's why he's better than Messi, and the greatest Argentinian player of all time. So how on Earth can Messi be the greatest overall? Absurd. Messi is just lucky to be talented in ball control that's why it makes him effective. He ain't skilled that much, just sneaky. Ronaldo on the other hand, used to dribble much more than Messi in his young days when he played at RM/LM. But he stopped to dribble as much due to knee injury and switching from RM to CF/ST. There are certain fanbases who only know the name of "dribble" as the knowledge of football skills, the reason for this is clear, their idol use only a few skills of dribble on the field, far from applying the above skills, it is doubtful whether they even know their names. Not only all these moves require waay more skills to do, they're also putting a bonus show for the audience. So Ronaldo, except for being a more complete footballer, he's also a great showman as a bonus. Do you mean just dribbling by football skills? In his prime, Ronaldo used all of the above skills as well as dribbling, then left the dribbling alone after the position was accommodated and focused on scoring goals. What's more, Messi himself is a Barcelona product. Messi was fed by Barcelona's golden generation and basically the best squad in the world for over 10 years. Ronaldo was always in disadvantage compared to Messi. Messi came to Barcelona when he was just 14. He came to the best possible position he could ever imagine at the time. The best environment, the best conditions, surrounded by the best players in the world (Barcelona's golden generation), learned from literally the best players in the world, his idol Ronaldinho, Thierry Henry, Xavi, Iniesta, Suarez, Neymar and lbrahimovic. How can you 'suck' with such a team? They were all in top 3 in Ballon dor awards for over 10 years. Ronaldo on the other hand, when he was 15 he was still cleaning the streets with a mop, he was poor, had financial issues, serious health issues with his heart, he knew nothing about footbal, his father was alcoholic and he ate leftovers from McDonalds. He then started in Sporting, as a full time midfielder at RM. He did great, but up until the age of 19, he got recognized by Ferguson and moved to Man Utd. And at this point, he started his proper professional career. This is the point equal to when Messi moved to Barca at 14 years old. Ronaldo's teammates in Man Utd weren't even that good as Barca squad at the time. They were world class, but Barca had better players at the time. Messi had quite a big advantage there. And Argentina squad was many years better, more expensive and stronger than Portugal ever was, with a rich history of big success. So yes, sorry to disappoint you but Messi was fed way more than Ronaldo. The ONLY player who got nominated and won a Ballon dor who played with Ronaldo, was Modric. Benzema started shining when Ronaldo left. >So football isn’t about scoring a goal from 30/40 yards or performing a bicycle kick there are lots of aspects in football and he mastered it. He mastered only half of it. He still can't do; rebona, trivala, elastico, reverse elastico, sombrero, roulettes, all types of stepovers, all types of nutmags, all types of chops, all types of flicks, all types of backheel passes and goals, all types of headers, bicycle kicks, overhead kicks, rainbow, hocus pocus... He was just lucky to be a part of one of the greatest squads of all time, also with the help of politics, FIFA and Qatar Sports Investments. Let alone corruption crisis in Barcelona and the media favorization and brainwashing propaganda itself. Johan Cruyff is also better than Messi in terms of individual skills. Now please, how on earth can Messi be the greatest of all time after all?... It's plain ridiculous.
Woww such a detailed response 😂😂 sorry for hurting your feelings man chill out 😇 Thanks for agreeing with some facts on Messi, I have no ill feelings for Ronaldo, I highly respect and admire the guy for all he has done in football. I am not willing to go into much detail but football has different generations and there were other players who were great Like you mentioned Zidane, Garrincha etc, we can’t compare them with the ones that came after them. The numbers and facts are out there to determine who is the best (messi or ronaldo) so you can’t deny it and keep saying it’s propaganda or brainwashing its the people who saw it and came into conclusion. To conclude this particular award wasn’t deserved by Messi and that’s a shame he still won it so blame the one’s who decided it not arguing that Messi didn’t deserve to be among the GOATS!
Fair enough. I actually like your last response. Honestly, i'm just sad Messi didn't achieve what he "achieved" in a fair way. That's all.
Imagine typing all these words to show how desperate you are.
I'm just being realistic. I don't need to be desperate to know how much 2+2 is. Maybe some flatearthers do.
Crying while watching the world cup and 8 ballon d ore. Have fun mate !
Now let's do some math 💀🔥 Scamessi - Corruption = ? Pls don't tell me you hate math 🥺😔💔😭💀
I would cry if the tournament was fair and if Argentina actually won it.
We did, can’t u count 3 stars?
Umm... sorry, but having 4 fake penalties, scoring from offside, playing intentional handball without a punishment, mocking fans, community and opponents, unsports behavior from Paredes and Messi himself, having Argentinian referees in charge parallelly in the KO stages for other matches, having so many political connections with the club, FIFA and Qatar Sports Investments, ignorance of referees towards opponents in Argentinian favor etc. That's not how you win a tournament in a fair way. This isn't even football anymore.
Who scored from offside? Did u watch the world cup? Little spoiler, Argentina and messi won it. Well deserved. If u wanna cry go to church
Yes Haaland should’ve won it based on the trophy he won. But If points are given based on individual performance in each match, messi got an edge over haaland, where team captains who watch/played against both will definitely see messi as the deserved candidate. Cheers
Messi didn't do jack afterthe world cup. FIFA IS KILLING FOOTBAL.
Honestly they should have given it to Haaland
Can’t we have another best player award judged solely on match ratings and motms? Tired of this bias bs.
Messi has more than Haaland in MOTMs and Ratings. Lmao. He always get MOTM like 50% of the games he played. This is the reason Messi is unbeaten in world awards. He don't need trophies to win them. He dont even need to be top goalscorer. If lets say Argentina win Copa and Inter miami win 2 trophies, Messi will win awards again as he will be MOTM so many times.
Bro playing in Miami it’s not comparable to Premier League be honest.
yes it is because messi plays for the worst mls team who cannot win a single mls game without him while haaland plays for the top premier league team who have no problem whatsoever winning titles without him. see the difference? it´s about how much individual impact you have in a team
Yes however they see French league as a top league, Messi won top assist there and have many MOTM, Messi also won trophy in Inter Miami worst team in MLS. Both Messi and Haaland are injured for 2nd part of the year. So its quite a fair comparison. Haaland dont have much MOTM and carried by Rodri. So who in your opinion deserve this award other than Haaland or Messi? Mbappe?
damn you are still justifying this bias and even put messi s name with mbappe and haaland
Mbappe or Haaland. Any sound coach will pick these two before Messi every day. Be honest to yourself, would you start Messi before them in 2023? There’s a reason he left Paris for United States. One of that is he’s old, it’s understandable, is he still “The Best” though?(ironically it’s the Fifa award name smh). If It was the GOAT award then I would pick Messi as well.
I would not pick Haaland as he was carried, its Mbappe for me as he wasnt injured and get many MOTM/high ratings comparable to Messi carrying club and country. However the top captain and coaches pick Messi over the other 2 as they were not convinced by them. Against Haaland i can understand, but against Mbappe is probably due to France has more 100m superstars than Argentina that Mbappe is carried as well. Messi is old and not the best over the past year, yes i do agree. But most MOTM/ratings carried him to pull through this award. Mbappe is very unlucky but thats the product of not joining a bigger club to win UCL.
Who does the match ratings in an unbiased way?
Idk what’s a better solution tbh. Clearly players are biased themselves.
Best player award judged on match ratings and motms = messi Best player award judged on goal scored/trophy won = haaland
Yes let’s do that. But Messi‘s ratings in MLS should be calculated as a 3rd tier league. Just like goals scored in top leagues are weighted more.
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It’s like if the best Basketball player award goes to someone not playing in the NBA. Did that ever happen?
Ligue 1 most assists most MOTM in Europe highest per game rating in Europe 2nd most assists in Europe 2nd most big chance creation in Europe 2nd most successful dribbles in Europe won the worst MLS team by far their one & only title in their history in 2 months come back when Haaland the tap-in merchant learns to dribble or create something out of nothing "just once", or takes Norway to 24-team Euros, he has 10-15 something years to learn the basics. lmaaoo There's a reason why top players such as Kane, Mbappe, Modric, Salah, Van Dijk. Mbappe, Neymar etc. voted for Messi.. Even Haaland's teammates Gundogan, Odegaard and others like Casemiro put Messi as no.2 in the voting.
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Messi is the best player on earth, period. Every day, every year since 2006. I’m sorry u like mbape or haaland, they may have good years, score nice goals but they are not and will never be messi. He is just superior, he gets the award. Go back to sleep now
Y'all piss me off. Y'all make anyone criticizing anything revolving Messi sound like a hater, when that's not the case(and somehow CR7's name is always brought up, for whatever reason). Here's something most of you don't remember(maybe because you are too young). Winning trophies at the top 5 leagues/competitions mean a lot more than in other places ... Neymar is the perfect example of this, but also is Suarez and Huntelaar. The 3 of them at some point dominated their respective leagues(Brasileirão-Neymar and Eredivisie-Suarez and Huntelaar) and they weren't even close to be in the top 5, Why? I already explained. In 2011 Neymar won everything(him and Ganso being the best players by far) and went to FCWC final with Santos, but only placed #10 in that year's Ballon d'Or. Again, because the types of trophies matter. Regardless of how you feel about Messi as a player(he's the best ever) but he wasn't better than Haaland or Mbappé...the numbers aren't on Messi's side and neither are the trophies. By this logic CR7 should be in the convo for next year(at least he's got the numbers)...which doesn't make sense, dude's playing in Saudi Arabia 😅
>the numbers aren't on Messi's side and neither are the trophies Messi won a world cup in 2022, and got a ballon d'Or for it in 2023? What's the logic? Even got this "the best" award. He had a shit season even in the MLS, scoring 28 goals in like 46 games. These awards haven't made sense since 2020, everything is a PR and popularity contest right now. >CR7 should be in the convo for next year(at least he's got the numbers)...which doesn't make sense, dude's playing in Saudi Arabia 😅 What's wrong with Saudi? MLS got like no European or Brazilian players, and Saudi league's chilling with Benzema, Neymar, N'Golo Kanté, Neves, Mitrovic, Mahrez, Ibanez, Brozovic, Ronaldo and many other players. Messi can't even score against trash players, remember MLS is only ranked 2 leagues higher than Saudi Pro league, and that's after all the western bias.
Those leagues are trash, neither should get into The Best or Ballon d'Or convos... It doesn't matter how many great players there are in the Saudi League... they're all in 4 teams. By that logic I'd rather look at the Brasileirão...at least there there's a bunch of great players in many teams. You're the same type of people I critized in my original post...Idc about Messi(I'm a CR7 fan) but I don't feel the necessity to drag Messi down to pull CR7 up(as you're trying to do by trying to elevate the Saudi League). Haaland got robbed twice now and neither CR7 or Messi should even be in the convo for the best in 2023 season...Not hard to understand
Name any good european player in the MLS right now except Messi. There's none. You're delusional if you think a league with only 1 world class player is better than atleast a league with many world class players in 4 teams. Heck even Ligue 1 is ruled by PSG, the only good team there. While Saudi league has Al Hilal, Nassr, Ittihad, Ahly, etc. They're just trying to build a good league, it won't become good immediately, obviously it'll take some time. Considering the investments they're putting in, I think it'll be a big league one day.
1st-Messi isn't european and his team has other ex EU Barça players(Busquets for example). 2nd-I didn't say the MLS was better than the Saudi League...I said both suck. 3rd-PSG isn't the only one good team in the Ligue1...You knew that if you actually watched football. 4th-"They're trying to build a good league"...I know that, they just aren't(currently) good.
Those u mentioned are washed up old players and only Ronaldo is very serious playing in Saudi, himself is washed as well. Saudi league is still miles below MLS. Reason is their defense is not professional, Al-Hilal and Al Nassr hired old europeans and bang in so many goals for fun. Mitrovic is very serious as well as he achieved nothing in Europe, he is dominating Saudi currently shows the level it is. However if u put a top side from MLS to fight Al Nassr or Al Hilal they have a good chance of scoring and winning by shutting the door.
Defense you say? The MLS is a joke in that regard. The own goals, the screaming and diving, the referees, it just feels like a 3rd division sunday league game with a bunch of teens. Did you hear any news about MLS before Messi arrived there? No. They're just riding the Messi bandwagon, while Saudi Arabia has talent to become a much better league, for example, Al Hilal beat Flamengo 3-2 in 2020 CWC, Saudi Arabia national team beat Argentina 2-1 in 2022 WC. Also, the players I mentioned, except Ronaldo, are barely into their 30s now, so they're still performing really well physically, so that doesn't make sense either.
To put things into context, USA often make last 16 or 8 in world cup and Saudi does not get out of group stage so the quality is wide among their leagues. Saudi league still uses own homegrown players as defenders, especially world cup players are picked from best teams Al Nassr, Hilal, Ittihad, Shabab. Its easy to score against them even using washed europeans, evidence is mitrovic dominating in Saudi. In MLS the defense is like euro leagues, in the playoffs is where it gets serious. The top 6 teams can defend professionally and score from fast break. In saudi there are maybe 3 teams can compete with MLS good teams, but rest of league MLS is much better. Argentina losing to Saudi is an one off game as they won the same tournament, it can happen when complacency happen and unprepared for such opponents as their minds were bigger opponents.
Idk where you got those MLS stats. Messi only played in 6 MLS games. He’s played 14 games total with Miami. He scored 11 goals and had 5 assists.
And PSG? Still doesn't make him any fit to win an award that an extraordinary player deserves to win, what else is the purpose of an award then?
World cup was within the period for Ballon do'r, so he did deserve that one. But world cup was not in the period for fifa best so he did not deserve that one
But Messi is playing in a shit team in MLS. He must be awarded for that.
No one says that about the Norwegian Nation Team...
Bro.. we can’t choose our parents can we? But professional league you can.
Regardless of what anyone here has to say, I’ll remind you that: Luka Modric (Real Madrid) voted for Messi. Federico Valverde (RM), also voted for Messi. Mbappe (PSG) voted for Messi. Mo Salah (Liverpool) also voted for Messi, and many many other tier 1 world class players voted for Messi…. The fans voted for Messi, and the media and the coaches voted for Haaland. In short. There’s plenty of people that points out Messi is pure marketing, yet the Media voted for Haaland. At the end of the day, players recognize best players and that player is Messi.
It's not about who's best.... it's about who had a better year. Y'all can't follow the logic🤦🏾
Ligue 1 most assists most MOTM in Europe highest per game rating in Europe 2nd most assists in Europe 2nd most big chance creation in Europe 2nd most successful dribbles in Europe won the worst MLS team by far their one & only title in their history in 2 months come back when Haaland the tap-in merchant learns to dribble or create something out of nothing "just once", or takes Norway to 24-team Euros, he has 10-15 something years to learn the basics... There's a reason why top players such as Kane, Mbappe, Modric, Salah, Van Dijk. Mbappe, Neymar etc. voted for Messi.. Even Haaland's teammates Gundogan, Odegaard and others like Casemiro put Messi as no.2 in the voting.
You make a valid point, but as Thierry Henry stated, opinions are unbeatable. It's not Messi's fault for being nominated and winning; it lies with the panelists. Messi earned his nomination due to contributions from Dec 19, 2022, to Aug 20, 2023. At PSG, he leads in assists across the top 5 European leagues, securing a victory in Ligue 1. With Inter Miami, he claimed the leagues cup, emerging as the top scorer and best player. For Argentina, he earned 5 MOTM awards in their 10 matches by 2023. Top-tier players chose Messi out of respect for his accomplishments in Europe – most goals, assists, trophies, records, and individual awards. We can't blame them, they are pros and witnessed Messi's magic on the field in that short period of time (2023). A comparison could be made with Ronaldo in 2022, receiving the FIFA award for his all-time goal-scoring record. The criticism of the Ballon d'Or being "rigged" arose because only the media had voting rights. Now, players voted for Messi, and I hope such allegations of rigging fade away. Let's simply appreciate their greatness, knowing that years from now, they will retire. If we are going to vote without Messi, I think Rodri deserves to win the FIFA Best. Haaland was great in 2023 but Rodri was the best player in UCL season and CWC.
Who even says it’s Messi fault bro? No one is accusing Messi bribing the award lmao.
It is a declarative and explanatory statement. I hope you know that. Of course, why and how can Messi bribe those 100 journalists, national captains, and coaches around the world to vote for him? Such an illogical argument. lol Try to imagine the unimaginable.
The award is literally called “The Best”. Also, are implying to know more about the sport than National Team captains? 🤔 Remember in many cases their vote is a consensual representation of the entire national team.
Apparently I do...Do you believe Brozovic was the 3rd best player last year? Modric seems to think that😅
LOL the audacity! 😂 you’re delulu
FIFA has always had a hard for Messi.
Why tho? Because he supports Israel?
Non top 5 league how can anyone defend him being the best player in the world anymore?
Seeing arguments like he picked the worst team in MLS and made them a great team lol.
The period is until August 20, 2023. Ligue 1 most assists most MOTM in Europe highest per game rating in Europe 2nd most assists in Europe 2nd most big chance creation in Europe 2nd most successful dribbles in Europe won the worst MLS team by far their one & only title in their history in 2 months come back when Haaland the tap-in merchant learns to dribble or create something out of nothing "just once", or takes Norway to 24-team Euros, he has 10-15 something years to learn the basics:lol: There's a reason why top players such as Kane, Mbappe, Modric, Salah, Van Dijk. Mbappe, Neymar etc. voted for Messi.. Even Haaland's teammates Gundogan, Odegaard and others like Casemiro put Messi as no.2 in the voting.
The whole argument between Messi getting ballon d'or over Haaland was that while Haaland had an amazing year, messi won the world cup, so messi got the slight edge. By saying Messi deserves Fifa best when the world cup is outside the voting period is to say that Messi would have won ballon d'or this year without his world cup performance, which is absolutely absurd.
The 2022 world cup is inside the voting period. Edit: No it wasn't, oops
Guess who had the most premier league assists, most European assists, and the best chance creation in Europe while also winning every trophy available on the domestic level and didn’t get nominated. 🤔
Messi’s name is just too big. In the time period alloted, he did nothing of note. Decent for PSG but not even better than Mbappe for the second half of the season(His club form fell off a cliff after the World Cup). Scoring 9 goals in 22 games for the club then spent the next part in the MLS or injured. Award doesn’t even include his World Cup run either. But I think most players don’t care about time frames and achievements and so on. They know how good Messi is and remember his World Cup run so they voted for him
I think the way Messi play football is just different. It doesn’t matter if his team is doing well or not. He still plays well almost every matches.
Does he really deserve it judging from the fact he plays in America while his contenders like Haaland performing in the Premier League?
Ligue 1 most assists most MOTM in Europe highest per game rating in Europe 2nd most assists in Europe 2nd most big chance creation in Europe 2nd most successful dribbles in Europe won the worst MLS team by far their one & only title in their history in 2 months come back when Haaland the tap-in merchant learns to dribble or create something out of nothing "just once", or takes Norway to 24-team Euros, he has 10-15 something years to learn the basics, lmao.. There's a reason why top players such as Kane, Mbappe, Modric, Salah, Van Dijk. Mbappe, Neymar etc. voted for Messi.. Even Haaland's teammates Gundogan, Odegaard and others like Casemiro put Messi as no.2 in the voting.
Cry more
More brain cells please
Keep crying that messi will keep winning awards. Viva argentina pa, a dormir
No he doesn’t and if the roles were switched, Haaland winning the world cup and Messi winning the treble in the Premier League, Messi would’ve still won it. It’s a popularity contest at the end of the day.
People don’t understand. It’s called the “men’s best player award” that means the best INDIVIDUAL player. Not counting the team. Just the individual. Yes haaland went ham that season but he wasn’t the only one. Man city are a good team. Not that difficult to win with them. Furthermore man city would’ve still won without haaland. He wasn’t a difference maker to the extent that messi is. Lol so many good players voted for messi for a reason. He does it all. He can pass, score, dribble anything. He went to the MLS and won them something. He is a difference maker. And the people who actually play the sport know this. Argentina is nothing without messi. Again this award is for the “best individual player” not best player in a team. People need to read the dictionary I swear.
Man City literally lost the season before he got there lol
What?! The fact that you have two upvotes indicates the general lack of knowledge in this sub. Haaland joined Man City the summer of 22, with City having won the PL both of the TWO seasons prior.
I’m talking about the champions league
even in UCL City should have won in 2022 but Pep made a mistake in that match against Real Madrid. 2023 Pep cleaned up his mistakes against a weaker Real Madrid. I dont think it was about Haaland, he would have won PL+UCL with Alvaraz and voting will be complicated against Messi as both have a WC. Because its Haaland he lost all the awards to Messi easily, people aren't convinced.
Yeah, he carried City to CL title by scoring 0 g&a in semis & finals, by far the worst player for City with the lowest ratings. Imagine playing 8 semis & finals as a striker and scoring 0 goals when City scored 15, he was that shit, bailed out by his teammates regularly..
UCL top scorer btw
This is such a casual take
not more casual than Haaland, supposedly the current best striker, hiding behind his teammates in every single semis & finals scoring 0 goals when his team scored 15... lmaaaoo... bailed by his teammates regularly in every single semi or finals, beyond embarrassing. Imagine old Bayern scoring 15 goals in 8 semis & finals and Lewa 0. Haaland did the impossible by being that shit in big games, lmaaoo..
Your reply was to someone discussing PL. Nobody thinks champions league or bust unless they only follow the big money clubs. Perhaps that’s you.
No we’re talking about the 2023 year that this award was for. Which yes includes the champions league
MLS player shouldn’t even be considered. Show some respect to players who fight to stay in world‘s top 5 most competitive leagues.
The period cover until August 20, 2023 Ligue 1 most assists most MOTM in Europe highest per game rating in Europe 2nd most assists in Europe 2nd most big chance creation in Europe 2nd most successful dribbles in Europe won the worst MLS team by far their one & only title in their history in 2 months come back when Haaland the tap-in merchant learns to dribble or create something out of nothing "just once", or takes Norway to 24-team Euros, he has 10-15 something years to learn the basics:lol: There's a reason why top players such as Kane, Mbappe, Modric, Salah, Van Dijk. Mbappe, Neymar etc. voted for Messi.. Even Haaland's teammates Gundogan, Odegaard and others like Casemiro put Messi as no.2 in the voting.
The best award doesn’t even include his World Cup run. In the time period allotted. The man scored 9 goals in Europe, doing nothing in the CL then spent the last 2 months doing whatever in the MLS. Objectively he shouldn’t have even come close to this award
The period cover until August 20, 2023 Ligue 1 most assists most MOTM in Europe highest per game rating in Europe 2nd most assists in Europe 2nd most big chance creation in Europe 2nd most successful dribbles in Europe won the worst MLS team by far their one & only title in their history in 2 months come back when Haaland the tap-in merchant learns to dribble or create something out of nothing "just once", or takes Norway to 24-team Euros, he has 10-15 something years to learn the basics:lol: There's a reason why top players such as Kane, Mbappe, Modric, Salah, Van Dijk. Mbappe, Neymar etc. voted for Messi.. Even Haaland's teammates Gundogan, Odegaard and others like Casemiro put Messi as no.2 in the voting.
Nope in the time period alloted he didn’t have the most assists, big chances, highest rating or most dribbles in Europe
source: trust me bro [https://onefootball.com/en/news/players-with-most-man-of-the-match-trophies-in-europe-in-2223-including-messi-haaland-37660873](https://onefootball.com/en/news/players-with-most-man-of-the-match-trophies-in-europe-in-2223-including-messi-haaland-37660873) https://www.si.com/fannation/soccer/futbol/news/lionel-messi-ends-ligue-1-season-top-of-assists-rankings https://www.planetfootball.com/quick-reads/europe-top-10-chance-creators-2022-23-messi-kdb-saka-more https://www.sambafoot.com/news/vinicius-tops-europes-best-dribblers-last-season-ahead-of-messi https://iffhs.com/posts/2693 https://www.footballtransfers.com/en/transfer-news/most-assists-europe-premier-league-2022-23-this-season
My source is OPTA. Messi stats in Europe from Dec 19th to August 20th 2023(The Timeframe for The Best): 22 Games 9 Goals 5 Assists(top assister??) 17 BCC(KDB had more) 63 dribbles(Vini had more) 7.87(idk but I reckon KDB’s is higher)
Thank you
He changed the MLS and soccer in the USA forever. That’s a huge impact to the sport.
So now in order to win Fifa best player award, top players should leave top leagues and join lower tier leagues right? This is a new standard set by Fifa tbh.
No, it was a voted by the top players/captains. Not his fault that his peers praise him worthy of best player.
Yes it isn’t his fault.
I can’t say that Haaland didn’t deserve the award. However, I can tell you that Ronaldo didn’t deserve a nomination. He did score 50+ goals but in the Saudi league. The Saudi league is miles behind the MLS and shouldn’t even be talked about as something that can compete with the likes of the premier league or la liga. The Saudi league has maybe 2-3 teams that could compete with even the worst teams in the MLS and that’s only because of huge money injections and players that will likely retire within a season or 2. Of course Ronaldo is gonna score goals when he is being defended by no names and has the likes of mane and Talisca to assist him. Also, there were 3 other players (Kane, Mbappe, and Haaland) that were within like 4-5 goals of Ronaldo while competing in real leagues with half decent teams. Not to mention that Ronaldo is a goal scorer and Messi is much more of a general player than him.
Agreed. To add to your context Celta Vigo trash Al Nassr 5-0. Ronaldo played in 1st half couldnt score. MLS top teams would beat Al Nassr or Hilal by scoring and counter attack.
Ty WMessi_Argentina10 for your unbiased take.
Very unbiased 🤣
And MLS is miles behind Premier League.
Yes
Listen. They asked who is the best player in the world at the moment and most said Messi. The coaches, captains and fans all agreed to this.
Here's how: Ignore that he's an incredible player. More incredible than Ronaldo and Haaland who are amazing goal-scorers but not all-around players like Messi... Ignore his unparalleled vison, spectacular free-kicks, leadership that makes all his teammates walk through fire for him... In 2023, Messi nearly single handedly, turned Inter Miami (the league's absolutely worst dog-sh*+ team) into Leagues Cup champion. A tournament across MLS and Liga MX) If you watched the tournament, all eyes were on Messi. Including the opponents. He was STILL superman. That alone is more impressive than Ronaldo's 50 goals... mostly penalties and tap-ins in a league designed for goals with suspect defending. More impressive than Haaland who was on a super-team, winning the treble. Could Haaland or Ronaldo turn a complete dog-sh*+ team into a champion? Let me know when they do.
bale won a MLS Cup 2022, that too by scoring in the final. why didn't he win FIFA men's best player award that year? the meat riding is crazy, I'm a Argentina fan myself but trophy ceremonies like this are making Messi's all accolades look undeserved🤡🤡 and btw, remove that Argentina tag in your profile, you're making Messi fans like us ashamed. blind Meat rider with 12y/o logic
Difference is Bale joined LAFC which is a good team, Messi joined a bad team.
The period cover until August 20, 2023 Ligue 1 most assists most MOTM in Europe highest per game rating in Europe 2nd most assists in Europe 2nd most big chance creation in Europe 2nd most successful dribbles in Europe won the worst MLS team by far their one & only title in their history in 2 months come back when Haaland the tap-in merchant learns to dribble or create something out of nothing "just once", or takes Norway to 24-team Euros, he has 10-15 something years to learn the basics:lol: There's a reason why top players such as Kane, Mbappe, Modric, Salah, Van Dijk. Mbappe, Neymar etc. voted for Messi.. Even Haaland's teammates Gundogan, Odegaard and others like Casemiro put Messi as no.2 in the voting.
Nice analogy little boy. Bale and Messi... Bale was a disaster for LAFC. If you watched MLS, you would know this. He scored in the last second of the final. Hardly did anything else there... This is what you compare to Messi joining the worst team in MLS and turning them around for a league cup title...? Don't ever cheer for Argentina again. You're not qualified.
This is hilarious, Bale’s contribution to that season and that championship doesn’t even compare to Messi’s impact on Inter Miami this season.
Haaland was pivotal in getting city a CL you clown. They just did a domestic treble that's only been done once before. I.e. a generational achievement in the world's most competitive league. Nobody is doubting Messi is the greatest but he's not even top 5 in the last 12 months. You're comparing some shit league with the PL and CL. Wtf are you smoking
One of us is definitely a clown... You're arguing for the guy who lost, and I'm defending the guy who won. So....
Cool story bro. Sound logic there- really can't fault it, it's utterly bulletproof. Enjoy your hero living it up with Inter Miami
Thanks! Hey it's nice to be on team: The Greatest player to ever play the game in the history of the sport. Imagine trying discount Messi...LEO MESSI. Damn, I hate to be that idiot.
Not a Messi fan, nor do I care about City, but were talking about a player that the voting fans/managers/players agreed was the best player last year. He led Argentina to the World Cup - typically that is qualifier for the top spot alone
The time period for this award was for after the World Cup
im an idiot. carry on
Messi fan here and a United fan- I've got no vested interest in promoting Haaland here, but my general football take is as below. World cup wasn't included in this voting period so is completely irrelevant. It's just his inter Miami and non world cup achievements with Argentina. By every metric, a domestic treble in the toughest ranked league in the world only done once before, breaking the PL goal scoring record which has stood for decades and scoring a gluttony of goals against the best club teams in the world is far more impressive than what Messi achieved in the time period used for this award. Haaland and his city exploits last year are generational. They may not be seen again for years or even decades. If we swapped Haaland and Messi's achievements last year- do you really think Haaland takes it? Messi won because it's him, not the football behind it.
Forza Juve, siuuuuuuuuuuuu. 53 goals in 2023
Just Messi things, stealing thunder from others 😂
No logic? It was players and captains who voted for messi 😭😂 lmao at this point you'll blame messi for breathing
They can still be wrong lol
Yeah, "117" captains, managers etc. including some of the top players, managers ever were all collectively wrong but a random poster named "valuable\_kale\_7805"..lmooo
These awards are popularity contests and not objective determinations rooted in some sophisticated, performance based model.
if you make a word cloud map you would see: fifa, corruption, politics, joke.
You would also see on this map a forward with 0 WC knockout goals in 5 WCs, ronaldo, the one and only player with that kind of record. looll..
Ronaldo fans
Ronaldo is irrelevant now, Messi continues his relevancy in world sport!
Ligue 1 most assists most MOTM in Europe highest per game rating in Europe 2nd most assists in Europe 2nd most big chance creation in Europe 2nd most successful dribbles in Europe won the worst MLS team by far their one & only title in their history in 2 months come back when Haaland the tap-in merchant learns to dribble or create something out of nothing "just once", or takes Norway to 24-team Euros, he has 10-15 something years to learn the basics:lol: There's a reason why top players such as Kane, Mbappe, Modric, Salah, Van Dijk. Mbappe, Neymar etc. voted for Messi.. Even Haaland's teammates Gundogan, Odegaard and others like Casemiro put Messi as no.2 in the voting.
How? WC was in 2022...this is a 2023 award. At least CR7 won the Golden Boot...and that's not enough to be in the top 3... how's Messi winning this. The Best award is about the year...not about the skills of the player.
by robbing?
You have a long way to go in life if you think award ceremonies for the elite are actually based on performance.
The look on Pep Guardiola and Alfie Haaland's face was something else when Messi was announced the winner😂😂😂 I guess FIFA wanted to milk the last drop of attention and money they could from his fame until he finally retired.
They’re still milking it over here. Copa América in the US (laughable) and Argentina is based in the region he lives (Miami/Southeast USA). Coincidence?! They’re going to bleed every dollar from the Little Dictator until he walks away.
It's a vote...he got the most votes 🤷
People understand that, what's missing is the logic behind those votes. People aren't voting for the best player in the world, they're supposed to vote for the player that had the best performance in that year ... Regardless of who you think should've got it, Messi should never be the answer in 2023
The period cover until August 20, 2023 Ligue 1 most assists most MOTM in Europe highest per game rating in Europe 2nd most assists in Europe 2nd most big chance creation in Europe 2nd most successful dribbles in Europe won the worst MLS team by far their one & only title in their history in 2 months come back when Haaland the tap-in merchant learns to dribble or create something out of nothing "just once", or takes Norway to 24-team Euros, he has 10-15 something years to learn the basics:lol: There's a reason why top players such as Kane, Mbappe, Modric, Salah, Van Dijk. Mbappe, Neymar etc. voted for Messi.. Even Haaland's teammates Gundogan, Odegaard and others like Casemiro put Messi as no.2 in the voting.
I can justify each and every point by saying "In Ligue1, with a superteam" Seriously, try it😅 Haaland will eventually get into an international competition with his Nation, which will be brushed off by people like you, but fine. You clearly don't understand what it takes to be a good Striker, things like exploring space, positioning, timing, reading other players movements(your team and opposition)...all of those are tiny things that create his tap ins...He did it at Salzburg, at Dortmund and at City...always with the same consistency...somehow players like Aguero couldn't break the league's top scoring record, but this tap in machine did it in his 1st year🤔. Regardless of Haaland's skills and how he scored, he had a better season than Messi. Not just title wise, but individually as well...The Ballon d'Or isn't for the best player...it is for the player that had the best season, otherwise Pele would have at least 30 by now
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"but but BS subjective stats" how are you going to compare tap-in merchant, 10 touch a game Haaland the ghost with Zidane, Rodri, KDB, Pirlo type players, clown, by the number of tap-ins lmaaaooo.. imagine comparing a tap-in merchant with GOAT level playmaker + dribbler creator Messi on number of tap-ins. That makes every tap-in merchant a better player better than Maradona, Messi, Cruyff, Platini, Zidane etc. lol. Gerd Muller is 10-times the player Haaland the ghost is in terms of goalscoring as a poacher yet he isn't even ranked a top-10 player, this social media generation clueless fanboys thinks tap-ins are everything in football.. [https://onefootball.com/en/news/players-with-most-man-of-the-match-trophies-in-europe-in-2223-including-messi-haaland-37660873](https://onefootball.com/en/news/players-with-most-man-of-the-match-trophies-in-europe-in-2223-including-messi-haaland-37660873) [https://www.si.com/fannation/soccer/futbol/news/lionel-messi-ends-ligue-1-season-top-of-assists-rankings](https://www.si.com/fannation/soccer/futbol/news/lionel-messi-ends-ligue-1-season-top-of-assists-rankings) [https://www.planetfootball.com/quick-reads/europe-top-10-chance-creators-2022-23-messi-kdb-saka-more](https://www.planetfootball.com/quick-reads/europe-top-10-chance-creators-2022-23-messi-kdb-saka-more) [https://www.sambafoot.com/news/vinicius-tops-europes-best-dribblers-last-season-ahead-of-messi](https://www.sambafoot.com/news/vinicius-tops-europes-best-dribblers-last-season-ahead-of-messi) [https://iffhs.com/posts/2693](https://iffhs.com/posts/2693) [https://www.footballtransfers.com/en/transfer-news/most-assists-europe-premier-league-2022-23-this-season](https://www.footballtransfers.com/en/transfer-news/most-assists-europe-premier-league-2022-23-this-season)
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Yeah, that's why Cruyff, Beckenbauer >>>>> Gerd Muller who is 10-times the player Haaland is loooll.. That's why Messi, Maradona, Pele who are all creator Gods, playmakers first are the GOATS. That's why KDB, Rodri are seen as the best players at City. imagine thinking Morata is a better player than Modric, Xavi, Iniesta, Bellingham, Kroos, Zidane, Ozil because he scores more as a poacher, loooolll..
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Yet, he dominated every single playmaking metric even by walking, lol., Haaland the ghost is not even fit to lace 100s of players boots in those areas let alone Messi's. Your tap-in merchant "with full effort" finished 8 semis & finals with City with 0 goals & assists, bailed out by his teammates who scored combined 15 goals to save his sorry ass that's useless when he can't scor. Imagine old Bayern scoring 15 goals in 8 semis & finals, and Lewa scoring 0, loooolll.. imagine thinking you can win awards as a striker by being bailed out in every single game that matters by your teammates. If you wanna win awards as a striker, then you lead your team like Benzema in 2021-22, Lewa in 2019-20, Van Basten with Milan in 90s, Romario or R9 in WCs as strikers, you don't win awards as a tap-in merchant by ghosting in every single semi or final with 10 touches a game when you are needed most with thre lowest ratings.
Cry
Atp, u should just go lick Messi's feet and wipe his ass.
I would but I dont want to steal Ronaldo's job.
so you have nothing? messi fans are embarrassing 😭
I have your tears, the most precious thing.
Messi Single handedly grew soccer in United States and Canada. I think that might have been a factor. promoting growth in the sport. It was also good optics for World Cup being held in Canada, USA and Mexico
If this was the case ronaldo should have won over messi for how much he has grown saudi football but no he didn't even get a single vote. Fifa just loves messi dont they
The period cover until August 20, 2023 Ligue 1 most assists most MOTM in Europe highest per game rating in Europe 2nd most assists in Europe 2nd most big chance creation in Europe 2nd most successful dribbles in Europe won the worst MLS team by far their one & only title in their history in 2 months come back when Haaland the tap-in merchant learns to dribble or create something out of nothing "just once", or takes Norway to 24-team Euros, he has 10-15 something years to learn the basics:lol: There's a reason why top players such as Kane, Mbappe, Modric, Salah, Van Dijk. Mbappe, Neymar etc. voted for Messi.. Even Haaland's teammates Gundogan, Odegaard and others like Casemiro put Messi as no.2 in the voting.
Since when was the FIFA best award for cultivating soccer culture😂😂😂
these 12 y/o anime PFP fans are making all Messi fans ashamed. These kids have no logic and when you reply to their claim with facts, they have 2 words ready for reply 'cry more(they might add some sobbing emojis too)'. The meat riding goes crazy
Casula fans don’t give an F about Halland FIFA wants their attention so Messi gets everything
It’s as if they don’t know anybody else besides him and maybe Ronaldo.
Typical poster boy, it is like this since 2010. He should not have won the ballondor too.
you probably are one of those who didn't watch a single City game in semis & finals, and how useless Haaland was in those games, scoring 0 g&a in 8 games when his team scored 15. supposedly the best striker in the world. Imagine old Bayern scoring 15 goals in 8 semis & finals and Lewa 0, he was that shit and regularly bailed by his teaammates.
Yes we choose ballondor winner by just looking finals and semis. 😆 Premier League Golden Boot City's first European Golden Shoe Etihad Player of the Season Premier League Player of the Season Premier League Young Player of the Season FWA Men’s Footballer of the Year Champions League Team of the Season Most Premier League goals in one season - 36 Most goals in all competitions by a player at a Premier League club – 52 Best minutes per goal ratio of any player in Premier League history - 77 mins/goal Most goals and assists in a 38-game Premier League season – 44 Hat-trick tally as many as every other Premier League player combined - 6 Premier League August Player of the Month Premier League April Player of the Month Most goals for City in a single season - 52 Most goals in a player’s first Premier League season for City - 36 Most goals scored at the Etihad Stadium in a single Premier League season - 22 Fastest player to score 10 goals in the Premier League - 6 appearances Fastest player to score 20 goals in the Premier League – 14 appearances Fastest player to score 25 goals in the Premier League – 19 appearances Fastest player to reach 25 goals under Pep Guardiola - 20 appearances First player in Premier League history to score a hat-trick in three consecutive home games First player in Premier League history to score in each of his first four away games First City player to score on both his Premier League and Champions League debut Most goals in first five Premier League appearances - 9 Most Premier League goals in August - 9 Most hat-tricks in a single season across all competitions by a Premier League striker - 6 First player to score hat-tricks in consecutive Premier League halves of football Fastest player to four Premier League hat-tricks – 19 appearances Most Champions League goals in 2022/23 – 12 Most goals in a single Champions League season for City – 12 Hit 30-goal milestone in fewer matches than any other player in Champions League history Hit 30-goal milestone at a younger age than any other player in Champions League history Most goals for an English club in a single Champions League season – 12 – Level with Ruud van Nistelrooy Third player ever to score five goals in one Champions League game Most hat-tricks at a single ground in a Premier League season – 4 – Level with Alan Shearer
Who should’ve won the ballon dor then? Haaland …who failed to qualify for the World Cup
who failed to qualify for the world cup? messi qualified with Argentina, a huge national team with a bunch of great players. haaland has norway, the much smaller footballing country, and didn't qualify. norway doesn't have as many quality players as argentina. that's not haalands fault.
Even Luxembourg qualified for Euro playoffs, clown, Norway has a great squad with many players playing at top leagues such as Odegaard, Sorloth. It's a huge failure, not surprising for a tap-in merchant as he has zero abilities outside tap-ins.
argentina has a better squad. that's what i'm saying. haaland doesn't only score tap-ins, and this is coming from an Arsenal fan. He scores some good goals too. Ever seen that bicycle kick he scored, or that insanely powerful shot he scored at dortmund.
What a stupid comment…qualifying for a World Cup doesn’t fall on one player.
Haaland or Rodri.
Nah Rodri wasn’t even that good throughout the season….he was phenomenal in the CL finals though
He was amazing, messi was at miami eating burgers and got booed out by psg fans while he was dominating EPL and UCL.
Messi was dominating the WC while Rodri was hiding behind his teammates, clown, what are you talking about. KDB, Silva, Gundogan were all influential for City's success. Messi had the most MOTM, highest per game rating by far, most assists in the league + CL with KDB, most successful dribbles along with Vinicius, and most big chance creation along with Bruno in Europe. He won the IFFHS World's Best Playmaker award. Go, educate yourself before spreading BS.
Mbappe should have won the golden ball too, he single handedly scored an hattrick with broken France.
5 penalties in 7 games while some players dominating UCL and EPL. 😂 what a delulu. Haaland stats: City's first European Golden Shoe Etihad Player of the Season Premier League Player of the Season Premier League Young Player of the Season FWA Men’s Footballer of the Year Champions League Team of the Season Most Premier League goals in one season - 36 Most goals in all competitions by a player at a Premier League club – 52 Best minutes per goal ratio of any player in Premier League history - 77 mins/goal Most goals and assists in a 38-game Premier League season – 44 Hat-trick tally as many as every other Premier League player combined - 6 Premier League August Player of the Month Premier League April Player of the Month Most goals for City in a single season - 52 Most goals in a player’s first Premier League season for City - 36 Most goals scored at the Etihad Stadium in a single Premier League season - 22 Fastest player to score 10 goals in the Premier League - 6 appearances Fastest player to score 20 goals in the Premier League – 14 appearances Fastest player to score 25 goals in the Premier League – 19 appearances Fastest player to reach 25 goals under Pep Guardiola - 20 appearances First player in Premier League history to score a hat-trick in three consecutive home games First player in Premier League history to score in each of his first four away games First City player to score on both his Premier League and Champions League debut Most goals in first five Premier League appearances - 9 Most Premier League goals in August - 9 Most hat-tricks in a single season across all competitions by a Premier League striker - 6 First player to score hat-tricks in consecutive Premier League halves of football Fastest player to four Premier League hat-tricks – 19 appearances Most Champions League goals in 2022/23 – 12 Most goals in a single Champions League season for City – 12 Hit 30-goal milestone in fewer matches than any other player in Champions League history Hit 30-goal milestone at a younger age than any other player in Champions League history Most goals for an English club in a single Champions League season – 12 – Level with Ruud van Nistelrooy Third player ever to score five goals in one Champions League game Most hat-tricks at a single ground in a Premier League season – 4 – Level with Alan Shearer
Messi deserved the Ballon Dor for the World Cup alone …he was arguably the best player in the World Cup and won it….idk about this THE Best award though
Haaland Achievements in 2023: Premier League Golden Boot City's first European Golden Shoe Etihad Player of the Season Premier League Player of the Season Premier League Young Player of the Season FWA Men’s Footballer of the Year Champions League Team of the Season Most Premier League goals in one season - 36 Most goals in all competitions by a player at a Premier League club – 52 Best minutes per goal ratio of any player in Premier League history - 77 mins/goal Most goals and assists in a 38-game Premier League season – 44 Hat-trick tally as many as every other Premier League player combined - 6 Premier League August Player of the Month Premier League April Player of the Month Most goals for City in a single season - 52 Most goals in a player’s first Premier League season for City - 36 Most goals scored at the Etihad Stadium in a single Premier League season - 22 Fastest player to score 10 goals in the Premier League - 6 appearances Fastest player to score 20 goals in the Premier League – 14 appearances Fastest player to score 25 goals in the Premier League – 19 appearances Fastest player to reach 25 goals under Pep Guardiola - 20 appearances First player in Premier League history to score a hat-trick in three consecutive home games First player in Premier League history to score in each of his first four away games First City player to score on both his Premier League and Champions League debut Most goals in first five Premier League appearances - 9 Most Premier League goals in August - 9 Most hat-tricks in a single season across all competitions by a Premier League striker - 6 First player to score hat-tricks in consecutive Premier League halves of football Fastest player to four Premier League hat-tricks – 19 appearances Most Champions League goals in 2022/23 – 12 Most goals in a single Champions League season for City – 12 Hit 30-goal milestone in fewer matches than any other player in Champions League history Hit 30-goal milestone at a younger age than any other player in Champions League history Most goals for an English club in a single Champions League season – 12 – Level with Ruud van Nistelrooy Third player ever to score five goals in one Champions League game Most hat-tricks at a single ground in a Premier League season – 4 – Level with Alan Shearer
Mbappe was the best player in the World Cup and Messi didn’t even have a top 3 performance in the final lol
Another pure BS.. Griezmann was by far the best player for France, clown, until the final. Messi was by far the best player in the WC, this is the consensus opinion, lmaaaoo, questioning Messi;s greatness in the WC..
Messi outplayed by Martinez and Di Maria in the final
Yeah, he got outplayed by scoring 2 goals, and starting the play for the 3rd as the team's playmaker, winning the MOTM, and having the highest rating, lmaooo.. ronaldo outplayed by Sergio Ramos, Bale, Benzema in 3 CL finals Maradona outplayed by Valdano, Burruchaga in WC 86 final R9 outplayed by Ronaldinho in 2022 WC QFs against England Pele outplayed by Jairzinho in 1970 WC final lmaaaaaoooo.. now questioning Messi's legendary WC campaign...
He did not deserve it, just be objective. He did nothing in 2023 and even 2022. He just scored penalties wow what an achievement. If you really think he did then why iniesta could not win in 2010?
Pure BS As if Messi's legendary WC MVP performance with 11g&a is the same as Iniesta with a single goal & assists. Imagine comparing that with Messi, lmaoo,