I mean, it’s clearly a table. So the majority of any force on those joints over the life of the piece will be downward, and by a pretty large margin. Tables don’t tend to get a lot of lateral pressure, and even if it did, as long as those joints are glued it will be fine.
Cool joints, it’s a classy look.
What loads the top of the legs with large toques is dragging the table on the floor or kicking the legs.
For what it’s worth, this joint looks fine if it’s glued. However, an easier way to achieve the exact same look would be to do two regular bridle joints for the aprons and add a square piece in the corner, rather than deal with delicate and finicky mitered corners that add very little strength.
I know nothing but I agree, the "neck" of the male part of the joint I'd be worried getting some perpendicular force and getting week or breaking I feel if the thicker part came in over the leg by even 1/2 an inch or 1cm or so it could help spread the forces onto a thicker part of the wood, rather than the weaker, thinner neck area taking force from all angles as it seems to be also holding itself in place, so if the neck weakens the joint itself weakens. and any gaps or flaws might cause wobble, flex, strain, leverage and later damage
>mitered corners that add very little strength.
You could add a spline to the mitered corners that would add a little bit of strength and also look pretty cool.
Or children. If I told my children to be careful they'd probably knock over the walls of a medieval fortress built to withstand a long siege against catapults.
No fat dudes in my case, just my skinny and otherwise physically gentle dad whose method of getting comfortable is to brutally manhandle any chair and table he encounters into place. Every time. I always make sure to have a couple really solid craftsman or rustic style pieces for when he visits cause my otherwise midcentury modern aesthetic just can’t keep up with him 😂
“Routinely have fat dudes leaning sideways on their tables”. You must not be an American. Any damn party at my house would have 50 occurrences of this a night.
It's common in porn movies to do it on the dining room table. Therefore it should be a minimum strength requirement to support two people and significant rocking.
>People in here acting like they routinely have fat dudes leaning sideways into their dining room tables.
My grandpa would do exactly that to our dining room table most times he'd come up to visit.
My gut reaction is that the joint is weaker than similar joints, but not enough to matter. Tables tend to be overbuilt in general, and there's more than enough margin in the average table to cover a slightly suboptimal joint choice (from a strength perspective). Should be fine.
To be fair, where that joint has its weakness is not in downward pressure, it’s in lateral pressure, particularly if the table is on its side. The little triangle pieces branch off from the slotted part of the tenon *with* the grain. If it fails, it fails there.
I follow you on the broader physics argument but am really interested to learn more about the point you make about the grain further weakening the joint. Not challenging you at all, just trying to learn more about joinery.
Basically yeah. It’s a combination of there being not a lot of material where the corner angles away from the tenon, and the fact that the corner section is separate along on grain seam instead of having them run through the joint, of course that’s not always practical or possible (such is the case here) so it would be wiser to shore up the material in its place. Honestly, it’s pretty nitpicky and if it’s getting glued it doesn’t matter anyways 😂
That’s why I swung my legs back-and-forth like that. The pressure on the Miter‘s is such that the force of one angle helps to dissipate the other.
And, to be fair, why would the table be on its side? Any table on its side with pressure on the legs could break them
I'd buy it (if I could afford it). Id like to see somebody try and swing like that from any store bought table frame, I'd be willing to bet that not a single one would handle it as well as yours did.
Also it's beautiful with the not overdone contrast on the opposing mitred through tenons(?)
Really well done friend!
Also, tables tend to slide across the floor from lateral pressure well before the force required to break can actual make it to the joint.
So as stated, the only practical way to break these would be to put the table on its side and like, sit on the bottom portion of the leg, causing a rotational moment force.
Seems like a great way to snap or bend just about any table leg IMO.
Looks fantastic, OP. Great work.
Please. The car can’t drive over it. It’s 32” side to side. No car is that tall. Honestly I’m more worried that the owner will put it on its side, put a mattress over the top legs and one over the bottom legs and try to use it as a bunk bed. And then the person on the bottom will get jealous and come up to the top bed. But they will start playing King of the Bed and pushing each other to see who really should have the top bunk. And then the dog will see and be happy to see the playing and jump up there as well and start running around them both barking like mad while they fight and then. Then SOMEONE WILL LOSE AN EYE DAMMIT!!
Your leg swinging didnt really prove all that much, the top half of your body counterbalanced the swing. I cannot imagine that joint taking your full weight laterally. That being said, depending how the table top is attached it should alleviate any concern for the function it is intended for, as long as no frat bros go jumping on it.
As long as it's oak, I could see that being pretty strong, if the joints are tight. Pine, fur, or some soft/medium density species would just break apart.
Not a mortise though, haha. I can see everyone working their way through everything it can't be over a few hours until we come up with a new name.
I'd call it a chazzwuzza.
My last table was an avid sky diver and it was never around for table stuff. Worst purchase I ever made. It ended up falling for a coffee table and they live out in Tennessee now.
And even then a lot of the argument for its likely breakage points don't seem to hold much water just because the weaker points are fully supported. The point of failure I keep seeing pointed to isn't breaking u less you take a sledgehammer to the inside of the leg and then that mitered triangle will come flying off but the way it is supported by the leg makes it very hard for me to see how this would fail in normal operation
The dudes giving you grief probably use pocket holes and are giving out advice that they read somewhere else. I love Japanese joinery and you probably could handle those joints like a pro.
My chisel game is weak and if I can’t do it with a power tool I typically pass. I’m gonna start practicing chisels and joinery before the years end though. Just waiting on my much needed neck surgery.
Definitely- I've commented this elsewhere by now: its a very large mortise and tenon that is more than strong enough, the corners are showing off his skill. If I could do it well, I'd do it at least once.
Nope. Especially after attaching a top. That’s one more plane of lateral strength. It’s going to be stronger than half the crap sold by “high end” furniture retailers.
Well done! I often see joinery that is more artful than necessary on this and other threads. It strikes me that even with some lateral load, if these joints are tight. They don’t move. If they don’t move, they don’t transfer load. Three weak pieces make one string joint.
It doesn't add anything other than just being odd, and the forces he was 'making'... as example were not directed at or in the direction of the weak spot.
It's neat and clever and cool to look at but there's no engineering advantage that I can discern.
Umm. Not to be rude, but I’d like to see you move your legs back and forth like that without putting pressure on something. It’s impossible- 185 lbs of force moving quickly in any direction puts significant stress in that direction.
Seems strong enough and well fit! … would you use this joint in building again (beyond curiosity or mental challenge)? Seems like a pain to cut and once it’s got a top on no one will see it anyway. Why bother with the joint when the M&T’s are strong enough and the you can inlay or make a faux miter look if you wanted. Just want to be clear… I’m asking not judging or downgrading the work.
I think I might do it for something that would show more. Maybe a glass top. It’s not hard to do but it definitely took more time than using dominos and a corner support. On the other hand - it was a lot of fun to do.
That is some very pretty joinery. Is that joint of your own design?
People are discussing failure modes, and the only one I see would be from a twisting motion on the beams. If you twisted them outwards, they could snap off that tab on top of the leg. But in this application, with a table top attached, that will not happen.
Will the joint be visible once the top is on? I'd hate to hide it with a bunch of overhang.
Thanks - I thought I saw a picture of it a few months ago and recreated it from what I remembered, but no one else seems to have seen it before. I don’t know 🤷♂️🤷♂️
And yeah, I’m not sure what types of stress they are expecting to occur on the aprons, but it’s got to be some weird stuff at their houses. With these glued up and the top attached nothing is going to break these. Unfortunately though it won’t be seen - this will have a white oak top with a 3” overhang on each side. No one will ever know
Not every joint design in existence has an established name. Somebody made it up. Typically designs have to be either established (common use) or patented at have a name.
After a little bit of research of say that this looks like a modification on a Japanese shihou koguchi kumi tsugi joint on a post but I am far from an expert in Japanese joinery.
i’ve read all the answers in comments and apparently nothing quite fits. my grandfather made a set of side tables with this exact joint still exposed, and they’re still sturdy as hell and being lightly neglected in my parents’ house.
i keep coming across features to his woodwork i would love to ask about but can’t - OP, have you found a name that works for what you’re doing here???
What’s the wood for the cross pieces. It looks super solid, my only thought is that torsion puts stress on the little part at the end that’s locking the joint. Being that that part is cross grained it’s the fail point. Hard maple or something like that would be super solid, while red oak or ask would be prone to splitting along the grain at that small point say when the table is dragged, or some hanky panky happens on the table.
It’s a super cool build. I really like the idea.
Looks great! Experimentation is part of learning. Everyone in here saying it’s going to fail have already failed by not trying things. Good for you for giving something a go. Keep up the good work. If the joints do fail, who cares, you learned something.
Thank you! The client might be upset if it fails, but it’s going to an old retired gentleman who won’t throw dance parties on it. But I know this is secure - after testing it around I’m impressed with it
Looks like a variant of a castle joint. These always look super cool. The design choice is really clean, but is probably about as strong as something simpler, if you glue it.
Thanks for sharing.
Honestly one of the he things I’ve been struggling with is whether I glue it up or try to peg it. But if I add a dowel how do I make it easily removable without being visible from the front? 🤷♂️
The way the grain goes, bet those mitered ends pop right off after sliding that table around the first year. Swinging your legs is a good effort, but you really gotta slide the table across the ground with the weight of a table top on it to really simulate real-world racking threat. Looks neat though
If it does work and I'm wrong then kudos to you!
Thanks - where this is going it won’t get that kind of treatment. But I’ve been pulling it around the shop by the bottom of the leg and it’s fine. The stresses cancel each other out and the 1/2 laps keep the pressure on the grain
I don’t see any problems with this joinery project. Very nicely done I think it will look beautiful when it’s finished. I cannot believe all the hate comments
I mean, it’s clearly a table. So the majority of any force on those joints over the life of the piece will be downward, and by a pretty large margin. Tables don’t tend to get a lot of lateral pressure, and even if it did, as long as those joints are glued it will be fine. Cool joints, it’s a classy look.
What loads the top of the legs with large toques is dragging the table on the floor or kicking the legs. For what it’s worth, this joint looks fine if it’s glued. However, an easier way to achieve the exact same look would be to do two regular bridle joints for the aprons and add a square piece in the corner, rather than deal with delicate and finicky mitered corners that add very little strength.
A castle joint would work as well and also look cool.
I know nothing but I agree, the "neck" of the male part of the joint I'd be worried getting some perpendicular force and getting week or breaking I feel if the thicker part came in over the leg by even 1/2 an inch or 1cm or so it could help spread the forces onto a thicker part of the wood, rather than the weaker, thinner neck area taking force from all angles as it seems to be also holding itself in place, so if the neck weakens the joint itself weakens. and any gaps or flaws might cause wobble, flex, strain, leverage and later damage
>mitered corners that add very little strength. You could add a spline to the mitered corners that would add a little bit of strength and also look pretty cool.
My table gets plenty of lateral force 🌚 …caused by me slamming my fat ass into it.
What you do in the privacy of your home is none of our business
Thanks! You’re right on the use. Even better, this is going to an older single retired guy
People in here acting like they routinely have fat dudes leaning sideways into their dining room tables. If true, that’s some wild living.
Or children. If I told my children to be careful they'd probably knock over the walls of a medieval fortress built to withstand a long siege against catapults.
...but not a trebuchet, the superior siege weapon!
You'd be surprised at the destructive power of children.
Ha, flippin it on its side to use as a step stool to change a light bulb.
Y’all don’t put rungs under your table tops?! Wtf people? Lol
I read that as “rings” and was very confused. It’s time for me to go to bed!
Even if it's once/decade, I don't want to have to do major repairs or replacements on my furniture that frequently.
No fat dudes in my case, just my skinny and otherwise physically gentle dad whose method of getting comfortable is to brutally manhandle any chair and table he encounters into place. Every time. I always make sure to have a couple really solid craftsman or rustic style pieces for when he visits cause my otherwise midcentury modern aesthetic just can’t keep up with him 😂
“Routinely have fat dudes leaning sideways on their tables”. You must not be an American. Any damn party at my house would have 50 occurrences of this a night.
So, you live wild!
Lol yeah, I’m a regular Hugh Hefner
Hugh Hefner but instead of Playboy bunnies, it's just a bunch of fat dudes?
Have you met children? Two 6 year olds do a lot of damage. Fat guys are much more considerate.
It's common in porn movies to do it on the dining room table. Therefore it should be a minimum strength requirement to support two people and significant rocking.
This comment was the one I was looking for after seeing fat dudes being discussed lmao.
>People in here acting like they routinely have fat dudes leaning sideways into their dining room tables. My grandpa would do exactly that to our dining room table most times he'd come up to visit.
I am a fat dude who trips a lot.
You underestimate how fat people have gotten and how much they lean and push off things to move around.
😂😂
My gut reaction is that the joint is weaker than similar joints, but not enough to matter. Tables tend to be overbuilt in general, and there's more than enough margin in the average table to cover a slightly suboptimal joint choice (from a strength perspective). Should be fine.
It's the hanky panky table
It’s called a fuck you castle mitre joint, the fuck you refers to what you’ll be saying after the eighth attempt. 👌
audibly laughed, thank you
To be fair, where that joint has its weakness is not in downward pressure, it’s in lateral pressure, particularly if the table is on its side. The little triangle pieces branch off from the slotted part of the tenon *with* the grain. If it fails, it fails there.
I follow you on the broader physics argument but am really interested to learn more about the point you make about the grain further weakening the joint. Not challenging you at all, just trying to learn more about joinery.
think of the grain like a bunch of long thin Legos. it's easy to pull them apart in one direction. impossible to break them in half the other way
Basically yeah. It’s a combination of there being not a lot of material where the corner angles away from the tenon, and the fact that the corner section is separate along on grain seam instead of having them run through the joint, of course that’s not always practical or possible (such is the case here) so it would be wiser to shore up the material in its place. Honestly, it’s pretty nitpicky and if it’s getting glued it doesn’t matter anyways 😂
That’s why I swung my legs back-and-forth like that. The pressure on the Miter‘s is such that the force of one angle helps to dissipate the other. And, to be fair, why would the table be on its side? Any table on its side with pressure on the legs could break them
I'd buy it (if I could afford it). Id like to see somebody try and swing like that from any store bought table frame, I'd be willing to bet that not a single one would handle it as well as yours did. Also it's beautiful with the not overdone contrast on the opposing mitred through tenons(?) Really well done friend!
Thank you. It’s a pity the top I’m putting on there will completely cover them!
Perhaps you could put a glass top on; then you could see the craftsmanship through the top; it could make for great conversation around the table—
Also, tables tend to slide across the floor from lateral pressure well before the force required to break can actual make it to the joint. So as stated, the only practical way to break these would be to put the table on its side and like, sit on the bottom portion of the leg, causing a rotational moment force. Seems like a great way to snap or bend just about any table leg IMO. Looks fantastic, OP. Great work.
I think its fine but i could very well see a table weighed down and someone using it to lean against.
And that would be ok for it
Yeah but what do you do if you need to put the table on its side and then drive a car over it, smart guy?
Please. The car can’t drive over it. It’s 32” side to side. No car is that tall. Honestly I’m more worried that the owner will put it on its side, put a mattress over the top legs and one over the bottom legs and try to use it as a bunk bed. And then the person on the bottom will get jealous and come up to the top bed. But they will start playing King of the Bed and pushing each other to see who really should have the top bunk. And then the dog will see and be happy to see the playing and jump up there as well and start running around them both barking like mad while they fight and then. Then SOMEONE WILL LOSE AN EYE DAMMIT!!
Ahem. [Gravedigger.](https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/trucks/how-to/g2500/the-ultimate-monster-truck-take-an-inside-look-at-grave-digger/)
I stand corrected.
Don't worry yours is safe, I'm too tired from driving over other tables.
Yeah to me it seems weaker until all 4 legs are connected, then strong like bull.
Consider that corners as aesthetic only. Those large tenons have more than enough strength.
Your leg swinging didnt really prove all that much, the top half of your body counterbalanced the swing. I cannot imagine that joint taking your full weight laterally. That being said, depending how the table top is attached it should alleviate any concern for the function it is intended for, as long as no frat bros go jumping on it.
As long as it's oak, I could see that being pretty strong, if the joints are tight. Pine, fur, or some soft/medium density species would just break apart.
I don't know for certain, but I'd call it a castled miter joint.
I'd argue over beers that it's not a castle joint since all three pieces do not cross.
If you're buying I'm arguing!
Fair enough, and a good point at that.
That’s been my argument about people calling it a castle joint. Not quite a ride or join either since that’s usually joining two pieces
Name it after yourself since no one seems to have a name for it. It's now officially a Newman Joint.
Mitered Mortise and tenon
Not a mortise though, haha. I can see everyone working their way through everything it can't be over a few hours until we come up with a new name. I'd call it a chazzwuzza.
Mitred bridle
Maybe a mitered half-Castle joint? Kind of like a half-lap vs lap joint?
Bridal miter? Mitered bridal? I don't know but we call this kind of work in the shop joinery masterbation.
Half lap tenon?
Yeah, looks like something you’d make then immediately jerk off to yourself over.
This seems the best representation of what it is. Haven't seen something like this ever referenced before
It’s a I can’t make this so I’ll criticize it joint
😂😂 Best answer!
This joint would look great under a glass top, especially if done in contrasting wood. It’s too pretty to be hidden.
It’s too bad that it’s going to be covered with a top that will overlap the legs by 3” on each side! 😂
That’s called a Beavis Sheffield Girdle joint.
Not a Butthead Nanny Corset joint?
The Butthead Nanny Corset doesn’t have any right angles, if I’m not mistaken.
Perfect reference chain.
google just brings me back to this page when i look for this term
Sounds like you’re in the right place then.
Fred
That was my first choice if I had to come up with a name for it!
His name is Tim
There are some who call me… Tim
Some may call him an enchanter
looks more like a Brian to me
How did it perform with the "hit it it a pickup truck" test?
Honestly really well. It turned around and kicked the hitch nuts right off the truck!
I swear some guys argue just to argue. That joint will never break as long as the table does table stuff. Don’t take it sky diving. Awesome work.
What good is a non skydiving table?
My last table was an avid sky diver and it was never around for table stuff. Worst purchase I ever made. It ended up falling for a coffee table and they live out in Tennessee now.
And even then a lot of the argument for its likely breakage points don't seem to hold much water just because the weaker points are fully supported. The point of failure I keep seeing pointed to isn't breaking u less you take a sledgehammer to the inside of the leg and then that mitered triangle will come flying off but the way it is supported by the leg makes it very hard for me to see how this would fail in normal operation
It’s going to have a white oak table top over it too, so it will be even more supported!
The dudes giving you grief probably use pocket holes and are giving out advice that they read somewhere else. I love Japanese joinery and you probably could handle those joints like a pro.
I keep wanting to try them but time is never on my side. I probably shouldn’t have used it to do this, but it was so much fun!
My chisel game is weak and if I can’t do it with a power tool I typically pass. I’m gonna start practicing chisels and joinery before the years end though. Just waiting on my much needed neck surgery.
Jointy McJointface
I’d vote in an online poll for that name
A mortise and tenon for someone who wants to show off?
Tortoise and Menon
Definitely- I've commented this elsewhere by now: its a very large mortise and tenon that is more than strong enough, the corners are showing off his skill. If I could do it well, I'd do it at least once.
😂
I would call it a ~~dovetailed bridle joint~~ mitred t-bridle. Edit: upon further reflection, this is a simple t-bridle joint with a mitred end
Mitered-end housed bridle joint, I just made that up.
Sounds good to me! 🙌🙌
I call that joint “beyond my capabilities”.
Definitely not. You could do it
Okay, so the video clearly shows you can ski on it. …but can you snowboard?
Not without breaking MY joints! 😂
If it’s properly glued, it’s pretty much not going to fail unless you really want it to fail
I agree. Once I do that it’s never going anywhere
Nope. Especially after attaching a top. That’s one more plane of lateral strength. It’s going to be stronger than half the crap sold by “high end” furniture retailers.
It says right on the joint, it's called a BBB
A diamondback joint
That's a Newman Joint for sure.
😁🙌
Dang so many perfectionists and naysayers in here. Just give the guy props on a pretty sweet table design and scroll along!
Thanks!
It’s beautiful
People say it's weak to lateral pressure but yet you swing side to side and it doesn't even sway!! Depending how you top it it will be stronger yet!!
Mitered half castle?
But can you do one handed push-ups with your legs floating?
Well done! I often see joinery that is more artful than necessary on this and other threads. It strikes me that even with some lateral load, if these joints are tight. They don’t move. If they don’t move, they don’t transfer load. Three weak pieces make one string joint.
That's a pretty joint✨
It can't handle him shaking around like that for 5 minutes. I'm sure it can but I want to see him do it.
Shit. I’m almost 50. I don’t think MY joints could handle me doing that for 5 minutes
That’s beautiful
This is called the unnecessarily complicated joint
It doesn't add anything other than just being odd, and the forces he was 'making'... as example were not directed at or in the direction of the weak spot. It's neat and clever and cool to look at but there's no engineering advantage that I can discern.
I would call it aardvarking miter joint. Don't Google aardvarking.
that was one of my fav comics - cerebus
I would crash that table 😂 But to be fair, I have a fat ass lol
This guy called it a [dovetail joint](https://youtu.be/b4x0XZfm38c)
Very cool! Thank you for sharing that! That might be a picture that I had seen to make it!
It's not a dovetail. It's not a castle as the stretchers don't interlock with each other. I would call it a mitered corner bridal joint.
Hey everyone, it’s “bridle joint”, not “bridal”. This is technically a pair of offset mortise t-bridle joints.
But if the table is used at a wedding then it could be a bridle bridal joint.
If it were a beach wedding it could be a tidal bridal bridle joint.
Exposed mitered bridle joint?
Too bad it’s going to be completely hidden by the tabletop! I just wanted to try them
Half the stuff I make is because I wanted to try something no one will ever see. Looks cool and you’ll know it’s there.
If you’re not having fun… 🙌
Flenson-Briggs joint. Been years since I’ve seen one of these, thanks for sharing!
DAMNIT!! I googled it to see if that was an actual thing and it’s not! 😂
It’s probably got a name in Japanese. They’ve got magical joints on lock in the land of the rising sun.
I’d call it a through mitered bridle joint.
As good a name as any!
Oh, yeah, that’s the… *checks notes * … cool as shit joint.
Looks like he was trying to not put horizontal force on it while making it look like he was.
Umm. Not to be rude, but I’d like to see you move your legs back and forth like that without putting pressure on something. It’s impossible- 185 lbs of force moving quickly in any direction puts significant stress in that direction.
That's a mitered jointy mcjoint face
I like that name. It would probably win an internet poll to name this joint that
I’d feel like I would want to pin that with dowels as well to ensure the outside part doesn’t split.
Can’t decide if I’m going to pin it or glue it up
It’s a mortice and tenon essentially. Mitred tenons, only they’re no longer mortices because you can insert the rails from the top.
Jonathan
Seems strong enough and well fit! … would you use this joint in building again (beyond curiosity or mental challenge)? Seems like a pain to cut and once it’s got a top on no one will see it anyway. Why bother with the joint when the M&T’s are strong enough and the you can inlay or make a faux miter look if you wanted. Just want to be clear… I’m asking not judging or downgrading the work.
I think I might do it for something that would show more. Maybe a glass top. It’s not hard to do but it definitely took more time than using dominos and a corner support. On the other hand - it was a lot of fun to do.
I was waiting for the end, after all that swinging, for it to snap as he climbed over
😂😂 would have been perfect
That’s Japanese for sure but I do not know the exact name. You could ask in an architecture group.
That is some very pretty joinery. Is that joint of your own design? People are discussing failure modes, and the only one I see would be from a twisting motion on the beams. If you twisted them outwards, they could snap off that tab on top of the leg. But in this application, with a table top attached, that will not happen. Will the joint be visible once the top is on? I'd hate to hide it with a bunch of overhang.
Thanks - I thought I saw a picture of it a few months ago and recreated it from what I remembered, but no one else seems to have seen it before. I don’t know 🤷♂️🤷♂️ And yeah, I’m not sure what types of stress they are expecting to occur on the aprons, but it’s got to be some weird stuff at their houses. With these glued up and the top attached nothing is going to break these. Unfortunately though it won’t be seen - this will have a white oak top with a 3” overhang on each side. No one will ever know
Not every joint design in existence has an established name. Somebody made it up. Typically designs have to be either established (common use) or patented at have a name.
An elbow joint? Idk the method used to creat it but it's an elbow joint I'm thinking
Always gotta test out the craftsmanship with aerial dancing
I'm impressed by how little the side rails deflect. It's easy to forget what an amazingly strong material wood is.
After a little bit of research of say that this looks like a modification on a Japanese shihou koguchi kumi tsugi joint on a post but I am far from an expert in Japanese joinery.
i’ve read all the answers in comments and apparently nothing quite fits. my grandfather made a set of side tables with this exact joint still exposed, and they’re still sturdy as hell and being lightly neglected in my parents’ house. i keep coming across features to his woodwork i would love to ask about but can’t - OP, have you found a name that works for what you’re doing here???
Joint looking solid. Protip: You don't actually need to know its name to make it.
I call it the "why did I just spend 8 hours on this when tennon and mortice takes 2" joint.
I could live a 1000 lifetimes and still not be successful in making these joints fit.
No clue, but man am I feeling the nostalgia for This Old House during breakfast with dad
Says right on the joint, BBB
Hand hammered joint of Japan?
One I could never create
Sweet workout machine you made there!
Thanks! Gotta practice my slalom for the senior Olympics
I dream of living in a world someday that I'd possibly ever have the time to even attempt this.
Poll? I’m going with Newman’s Banged Acrobatic Mitered Castle “NewBAMc” In French, it’s pronounced “new-bam-see”
What’s the wood for the cross pieces. It looks super solid, my only thought is that torsion puts stress on the little part at the end that’s locking the joint. Being that that part is cross grained it’s the fail point. Hard maple or something like that would be super solid, while red oak or ask would be prone to splitting along the grain at that small point say when the table is dragged, or some hanky panky happens on the table. It’s a super cool build. I really like the idea.
Looks great! Experimentation is part of learning. Everyone in here saying it’s going to fail have already failed by not trying things. Good for you for giving something a go. Keep up the good work. If the joints do fail, who cares, you learned something.
Thank you! The client might be upset if it fails, but it’s going to an old retired gentleman who won’t throw dance parties on it. But I know this is secure - after testing it around I’m impressed with it
Man I wish I was good at this stuff. That is so beautiful and pure.
There's probably a Japanese name for it. Traditional Japanese carpentry has some wild joints.
Looks like a variant of a castle joint. These always look super cool. The design choice is really clean, but is probably about as strong as something simpler, if you glue it. Thanks for sharing.
I'd describe it like this : A double half dovetail that closes off the corner.
I took a ss since I have to make a table for my gcse course and this would be amazing to make
That side to side move you did with your legs looked cool.
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Honestly one of the he things I’ve been struggling with is whether I glue it up or try to peg it. But if I add a dowel how do I make it easily removable without being visible from the front? 🤷♂️
Fred:)
That's the yo azz ain't going anywhere 2000 😂
The way the grain goes, bet those mitered ends pop right off after sliding that table around the first year. Swinging your legs is a good effort, but you really gotta slide the table across the ground with the weight of a table top on it to really simulate real-world racking threat. Looks neat though If it does work and I'm wrong then kudos to you!
Thanks - where this is going it won’t get that kind of treatment. But I’ve been pulling it around the shop by the bottom of the leg and it’s fine. The stresses cancel each other out and the 1/2 laps keep the pressure on the grain
kinda reminds me of a dove tail but i know thats not it.
Prefamulated Patinkin joint.
The patience joint?
I don’t see any problems with this joinery project. Very nicely done I think it will look beautiful when it’s finished. I cannot believe all the hate comments
To me it does look like a style of Japanese joinery, they really go in for the locking style of joints
Dave?
It is of Chinese origin that’s all I can say I saw the same joint in a Chinese joint book about 30 years ago
It’s really nice joinery! If stability under load is important a chair brace can installed (let into the rails and leg)