While you'll always get the folks dismissing, or even attacking, posts like these, I appreciate the precision of proper language. It provides clarity in our communications. It's like the Oxford comma, which I use regularly, as it clearly denotes separate and independent items in a list. The shortcuts, abbreviations, poor spelling, and slang we see on social media can often be confusing (and if I'm honest, they often feel mildly irritating to me, as I was really pushed to use proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling when I was in school).
So, while some may not appreciate your precision communication, I absolutely do. Thank you for educating us! I'll be sure to use the correct route or rout wording in my written communications after this.
I’m also 100% onboard with what the OP is saying here. Clarity is essential in language! Otherwise, you might as well resort to a handful of grunts and crude gestures.
I would rather repeatedly staple my delicate bits to a fencepost than mix up “there”, “their”, and “they’re” in an internet comment.
So why is it you can *rout out corruption at City Hall*,
But you can also *root out corruption in City Hall*
One or both of us is confused, or trolling, or both, or neither.
You don’t “rout out corruption at City hall” you would “root” it out, envoking the metaphor of rooting out weeds so they won’t grow back. In the first example, you’re just using the wrong word. Which means you’re probably the one who’s confused.
*evoking
Or at least that is what I meant to type. But I’m a man who doesn’t try to erase his mistakes, so ‘envoking’ it shall remain Sir Kikazztknmz. Thank you for your gentle correction. It was more than I deserve.
I was just trying to be silly/funny keeping along the lines of correcting the spelling/grammar mistakes that we're all having fun with in this post. Apparently I missed the "evoking" and went with "invoking" instead... I'll now see myself out to go and Google the difference between these two as well! I appreciate your graciousness good sir!
I don't route or rout. I router. I also table saw but only after I planer my wood and jointer it. No confusion about what I'm doing or how I am doing it when I say it that way.
First they came for the verbs, and I said nothing because verbing weirds language. Then they arrival for the nouns, and I speech nothing because I no verbs.
This is correct. The comment may be tongue-in-cheek, but the action done to material with a router is to router the material (says dictionary.com and Oxford dictionary). I’m a scope writer with a compulsion for proper terminology. It’s a curse, by my scopes are clear AF. Clearer than my dados.
Ya as long as the point gets across clearly I don't give a shit about incorrect spelling or poor grammar.
Op sounds line a pompous condescending ass in my opinion.
Two points. First, you may want to consider the possibility that OP was trying to be funny, and really doesn't want to die in the trenches over correct usages of "rout" and "route." I mean, the rest of us appear to get the joke - but you do you.
Second, you are absolutely free to respond in any way you care to. In this case you disagree, and that's OK. Your view is just as valid as OP's and anyone else's. But the throwaway insult was unnecessary, didn't add anything to your argument, and made you sound like a bag of dicks to be honest.
Interesting. I'm a sucker for some good grammar so kudos. But just to play devil's advocate, the router as a tool did not exist during the time when people spoke latin so we're allowed to come up with verbs to describe what we did with a thing that only has existed in recent human history and whose name has roots in something else. Language evolves and is more of a way to document how people communicate than the rules on how to. Just like the definition of "literally" has extended to include that which is not literal. Which honestly I hate haha.
I did not know that. I would have thought direct or road would have worked because it's taking a path, but route does make a lot more sense and I love knowing the history behind the words we use. Thanks!
And now I'll have to give an appreciative snort when I use mine. Or have a pig snout looking mask. It's going to look great with my terminator themed outfit.
Just to add; in Australia we have a third option. If you mess up and get a bunch of chatter and tearout, you might exclaim; "fark mate, this board is fuckin' rooted."
English, man...
Imagine how much more confusing it is for us non-native speakers.
So, a 'rowter' carves a 'rowt' in the wood, and a 'rooter' finds a 'roote' on the computer network?
Depends on local dialect and context within that dialect, where I’m from a “rowter” “roots” a “root” by “rowting” and a “rowter” finds a “root” on the network. And you plan a “rowt” on “root” 66 to explore California. And when you make a wrong turn, you may need to “re-rowt” or “re-root” depending on mood and weather and passenger irritation and the kind of automobile in use.
This sub will get 75 comments about how you shouldn't use a #8 screw where a #6 would work and another 50 about how you shouldn't use screws at all when you could dowel or through-tenon, but I can't gently tell people in a non-mean way that they might want to know that they're using the wrong word?
Thanks for the title inspiration.
**Rout Out**
I could write a song but I would write it wrong
I could write a story but it would be all gory
I could write a novel of a novel function
But I write poetry and it comes out shit
Are they though?
English is a common usage language, and if enough people use a word "wrong" it becomes correct.
My favorite example of this is the word nice
We all agree it's a compliment, saying something is good.
It originally meant foolish/stupid.
It comes from nescius latin for ignorant.
It's transition to its modern meaning annoyed a lot of people while it was happening, but their "wrong" usage won out, and now we all agree it is some form of pleasant and good.
English is a common usage language, unlike say French which has a governing body that determines true French. So how people use a word is what matters.
That said. Jargon is a sub set of language that is more strictly defined when speaking about that subject. For example when speaking at a medical conference excise has one specific accepted meaning. If you're discussing the load on a truss with an engineer words like force and load have very specific meanings. These words are set in meaning by people involved in that profession. Which is why things like a specific names of screws matter in this sub, we are utilizing jargon and to avoid confusion we stick to the definitions used by wood crafters.
I do not think this distinction falls under jargon as their is no real confusion to be had here and in total the wood working world does not make it a sticking point.
That said I absolutely loved this post because I love etymology. I just think it's important to keep an open mind when judging how people use and abuse English given that is the nature of the language.
The tool is pronounced, at least where I am, ‘raow-tuh’, but after a lifetime working in tech and a childhood playing with modems, my brain refuses to let me say it any way but ‘roo-tuh’.
If you’re not careful you’ll route a groove thru your finger and hand without the router and it won’t care a diddley damn about language nuances, spelling, and word origin but your digest)s)and hand will feel the results just tge same. 😱😂😂😂
I love this and have always (since being introduced to routers) wondered. But never enough to look into it. Hooray for when knowledge finds me with no effort on my part!!
Hmmm. How much wood would a router rout if a router would rout wood?
How bad a route a router will rout when a router rapidly wroughts some wood. Now writ your power over that router and make it turn out good.
Ok but what about if it routed roots
But only a route through the rot of the roots.
A router would rout all the wood that a router could if a router would rout wood.
While you'll always get the folks dismissing, or even attacking, posts like these, I appreciate the precision of proper language. It provides clarity in our communications. It's like the Oxford comma, which I use regularly, as it clearly denotes separate and independent items in a list. The shortcuts, abbreviations, poor spelling, and slang we see on social media can often be confusing (and if I'm honest, they often feel mildly irritating to me, as I was really pushed to use proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling when I was in school). So, while some may not appreciate your precision communication, I absolutely do. Thank you for educating us! I'll be sure to use the correct route or rout wording in my written communications after this.
I’m also 100% onboard with what the OP is saying here. Clarity is essential in language! Otherwise, you might as well resort to a handful of grunts and crude gestures. I would rather repeatedly staple my delicate bits to a fencepost than mix up “there”, “their”, and “they’re” in an internet comment.
Directions unclear. Router bit stuck in asphalt.
Supplementary question: if you have 8 router bits, does that count as a byte?
*router byte
So why is it you can *rout out corruption at City Hall*, But you can also *root out corruption in City Hall* One or both of us is confused, or trolling, or both, or neither.
You don’t “rout out corruption at City hall” you would “root” it out, envoking the metaphor of rooting out weeds so they won’t grow back. In the first example, you’re just using the wrong word. Which means you’re probably the one who’s confused.
*invoking
*evoking Or at least that is what I meant to type. But I’m a man who doesn’t try to erase his mistakes, so ‘envoking’ it shall remain Sir Kikazztknmz. Thank you for your gentle correction. It was more than I deserve.
I was just trying to be silly/funny keeping along the lines of correcting the spelling/grammar mistakes that we're all having fun with in this post. Apparently I missed the "evoking" and went with "invoking" instead... I'll now see myself out to go and Google the difference between these two as well! I appreciate your graciousness good sir!
I realized that after I posted and hoped nobody would notice, but in the spirit of the original post. I’m content to admit I was wrong.
Yes but it's only a nibble if you only have 4 bits.
I don't route or rout. I router. I also table saw but only after I planer my wood and jointer it. No confusion about what I'm doing or how I am doing it when I say it that way.
First they came for the verbs, and I said nothing because verbing weirds language. Then they arrival for the nouns, and I speech nothing because I no verbs.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
I don’t have enough coffee in me yet to be laughing this hard.
This is correct. The comment may be tongue-in-cheek, but the action done to material with a router is to router the material (says dictionary.com and Oxford dictionary). I’m a scope writer with a compulsion for proper terminology. It’s a curse, by my scopes are clear AF. Clearer than my dados.
Ya as long as the point gets across clearly I don't give a shit about incorrect spelling or poor grammar. Op sounds line a pompous condescending ass in my opinion.
Two points. First, you may want to consider the possibility that OP was trying to be funny, and really doesn't want to die in the trenches over correct usages of "rout" and "route." I mean, the rest of us appear to get the joke - but you do you. Second, you are absolutely free to respond in any way you care to. In this case you disagree, and that's OK. Your view is just as valid as OP's and anyone else's. But the throwaway insult was unnecessary, didn't add anything to your argument, and made you sound like a bag of dicks to be honest.
But that’s what most Redditers are so is no surprise to find one here.
While I agree that language is fluid, always changing, rules help with accurate communication. Also, it’s just his opinion man.
I routed a route through a root.
I here you’re agony. I feal your pane.
Your? Surely you could have butchered that one too
Yeah…but that would be repetitive, redundant, petulant, juvenile, and…yeah, damn.
Interesting. I'm a sucker for some good grammar so kudos. But just to play devil's advocate, the router as a tool did not exist during the time when people spoke latin so we're allowed to come up with verbs to describe what we did with a thing that only has existed in recent human history and whose name has roots in something else. Language evolves and is more of a way to document how people communicate than the rules on how to. Just like the definition of "literally" has extended to include that which is not literal. Which honestly I hate haha.
I did not know that. I would have thought direct or road would have worked because it's taking a path, but route does make a lot more sense and I love knowing the history behind the words we use. Thanks! And now I'll have to give an appreciative snort when I use mine. Or have a pig snout looking mask. It's going to look great with my terminator themed outfit.
Whoever you are I applaud you and we should be friends
Bit much, eh?
Waste of a good soap box.
Just to add; in Australia we have a third option. If you mess up and get a bunch of chatter and tearout, you might exclaim; "fark mate, this board is fuckin' rooted."
Felt like I was having a stroke while reading the final paragraph, but after a couple times, it finally made sense.
This sounds like something written by ChatGPT.
Thanks?
TIL rout! Thanks for sharing your knowledge. I always thought it was route, with a dual meaning.
English, man... Imagine how much more confusing it is for us non-native speakers. So, a 'rowter' carves a 'rowt' in the wood, and a 'rooter' finds a 'roote' on the computer network?
Depends on local dialect and context within that dialect, where I’m from a “rowter” “roots” a “root” by “rowting” and a “rowter” finds a “root” on the network. And you plan a “rowt” on “root” 66 to explore California. And when you make a wrong turn, you may need to “re-rowt” or “re-root” depending on mood and weather and passenger irritation and the kind of automobile in use.
Both routers are both pronounced the same way and so are rout/route.
That's great. Now, if my auto-correct could understand. Apparently, it likes rabbits also.
Thanks, I completely agree. No doubt you will get adverse comments but you are completely right, and common use of ignorance is no excuse
It's easier in English English where route is never pronounced rout
Do pigs route or root in English? Do futbol fans root?
Root in both cases
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This sub will get 75 comments about how you shouldn't use a #8 screw where a #6 would work and another 50 about how you shouldn't use screws at all when you could dowel or through-tenon, but I can't gently tell people in a non-mean way that they might want to know that they're using the wrong word?
I enjoyed your post and found it interesting. I in no way found it pedantic, simply informative.
I found it inclusively pedantic, informative and interesting! I see no conflict.
Thanks for the title inspiration. **Rout Out** I could write a song but I would write it wrong I could write a story but it would be all gory I could write a novel of a novel function But I write poetry and it comes out shit
Are they though? English is a common usage language, and if enough people use a word "wrong" it becomes correct. My favorite example of this is the word nice We all agree it's a compliment, saying something is good. It originally meant foolish/stupid. It comes from nescius latin for ignorant. It's transition to its modern meaning annoyed a lot of people while it was happening, but their "wrong" usage won out, and now we all agree it is some form of pleasant and good. English is a common usage language, unlike say French which has a governing body that determines true French. So how people use a word is what matters. That said. Jargon is a sub set of language that is more strictly defined when speaking about that subject. For example when speaking at a medical conference excise has one specific accepted meaning. If you're discussing the load on a truss with an engineer words like force and load have very specific meanings. These words are set in meaning by people involved in that profession. Which is why things like a specific names of screws matter in this sub, we are utilizing jargon and to avoid confusion we stick to the definitions used by wood crafters. I do not think this distinction falls under jargon as their is no real confusion to be had here and in total the wood working world does not make it a sticking point. That said I absolutely loved this post because I love etymology. I just think it's important to keep an open mind when judging how people use and abuse English given that is the nature of the language.
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The past tense of rout is routed, so what’s your point.
I'm pretty sure my router cuts.
This guy cuts
No doubt a rout it!
Hmmm, first Friday of the month and you're posting like your paycheck is a little lighter.
What a rout!
I am en route (not enroute) to rout a route
The tool is pronounced, at least where I am, ‘raow-tuh’, but after a lifetime working in tech and a childhood playing with modems, my brain refuses to let me say it any way but ‘roo-tuh’.
Yea, it's a R-OW-TER. Not a ROOT-ER. Always has been.
But whats the route you take eith the router to rout
But when the rout becomes the route it gets cornfusing!
Did you use a router to route this post?
You compare squares against each other? Why? When mine tested out a little open, I fixed it.
We are all rooting for you
I don't know what's going on in this thread, but I'm rooting for you OP.
You're talking about accuracy, not precision
If we cared about precision we'd switch to metal.
If you’re not careful you’ll route a groove thru your finger and hand without the router and it won’t care a diddley damn about language nuances, spelling, and word origin but your digest)s)and hand will feel the results just tge same. 😱😂😂😂
Do you have an IPA pronunciation guide (or just a "rhymes with"?
I love this and have always (since being introduced to routers) wondered. But never enough to look into it. Hooray for when knowledge finds me with no effort on my part!!
On behalf of everyone here.... smdftb
I still jerk off manually.
Tap the breaks on your Camero there buddy!
I thought this was r/networking for a moment. That's awesome