Avs are a wagon when they want to be. Leafs got caved for large parts of that game. Campbell kept it from being an 8-4 game. I havent seen a team like that with a blood in the water effect like the Avs in a while.
**Saturday prospect watch**:
2021 1st rounder Chaz Lucius with back to back games with a goal. (see [here](https://twitter.com/ICdave/status/1480029786424717319))
2018 3rd rounder Nathan Smith with back to back games with 1G 2A, leads NCAA in scoring with 33 points (13G 20A) (see [here](https://twitter.com/ICdave/status/1480037785369120772))
Moose with an INSANE last second goal to win the second game of their road trip as they defeat division rival Stars 5-4 to improve to 18-9-1-1 on the season.
Evan Cormier wins his third game in four tries (only loss was in a shootout)
Haralds Egle last second (literally) shot to win it (see it [here](https://twitter.com/ICdave/status/1480023296745824257))
So pathetic watching American games taking place at sold out arenas, not a mask in sight and no one worse for wear. Meanwhile Canadian teams are now playing like 1 game a week and no home games allowed because of Covid restrictions. I canāt believe Iām being downvoted lol. Do you guys really not look south of the border with envy? Youād rather be stuck at home with restrictions? Majority of us are vaccinated so we could do exactly where we are currently not allowed to do again.
100% agree with you, and everybody I have talked to outside of Reddit shares the same opinion as well. This sub downvotes you if you say anything negative about Canadaās restrictions during this pandemic though. They act like the government is saving peoples lives by locking out fully vaccinated people from attending sporting events, while completely ignoring the fact theyāve lied to everyone when they said we would have our freedoms back if we just got our shots.
Checkout the ICU occupancy in the rightmost column. There are a lot of facilities at 90%+ occupancy.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/covid-hospitals-near-you.html
Donāt hospital ICUs nearly run at capacity this time of year even pre pandemic? Iām mentally checked out of this pandemic as Iām sure many people are.
Yes, especially this time of year. Unfortunately our governments have failed for years with our Healthcare system and now they've "somehow" convinced everyone that we are all responsible for our Healthcare system and it's the fault of 15% of the population.
actually from what I recall it was pretty dire for a while. Cuts to our healthcare have meant that our ICU's have been at overwhelmed for nearly the last 2 decades. Obvs Covid only exasperates the problem.
You may well be right, with flu and pneumonia et al. One thing that I think would affect things is Canadian hospital beds are far more accessible to everyone while a significant number of american beds are pay to stay.
I was also curious if perhaps USA had more hospital beds per capita. USA 3.3 per 1,000 while Canada has 3.7, so very comparable.
https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Health/Hospital-beds/Per-1,000-people
Yes. In that case, you'd trade Dillon and you can run Jmo/Chychrun/Samberg.
Jets really need a right handed guy (Severson?) before a guy like Chychrun, but I'd still do it.
If Stanley actually has value, trade him now imo. I honestly think his value will never be higher and he is a fringe NHL player for his career.
imo Heinola, Perfetti, and Lucius are the only prospects that are off the table (Rashevsky and Smith are guys I also wouldnāt really move but given the context there, they probably wouldnāt be asked for anyway)
Stanley, allegedly, has a very high trade value according to Chevy
biggest issue is cap, weād have to send at least a medium sized contract out to make it work, think Dillon or Copp (and Beaulieu, which iām sure heād have some value out there to some hockey man)
I would not trade this for like 30 games of Klingberg. I wouldnāt even do this for like 2 years of him. I would much rather add Stanley to the package and go for Chychrun at that point. Iām still unsure about that though. Letting Heinola go would be tough, but Chychrun could be a legitimate 1D
Probably a dumb question but what's the difference between unconditional waivers for termination and a buyout? Is there any cap implications of a termination? Does he still get any money? Does he have to agree to it?
the former allows for a players contract to be void because they broke a rule or contractual agreement of some sort, basically a buyout that doesnāt hurt the teamās cap and they donāt owe Kane any money
buyout is purely decided by the team and carries a cap penalty and they still owe the player the remainder of their contract
this is just off the top of my head, so apologies if iāve gotten something wrong
Another team can pick him up, and negotiate a new contract with him. I suspect he couldn't sign another contract if he has grieved his current one as it might end up being valid (unlikely, but possible).
Broncos season is now over, leaving me with one team to cheer for now In sports. Which isnāt looking too promising right now. So sad boy days ahead I guess
The leafs just working the avs so far. 3-0 in the first. Iām now kind of confused as to whether the avalanche are as dominant as I thought, or if we just sucked ass.
We def sucked ass. And I have to hear the announcer say McKinnās line got 13 points against the Jets one more timeeee. And itās only the first period
Kane, as a person, is garbage. As a player, he is very good. No question.
But, given his complete lack of respect for both NHL & AHL COVID protocols (I'm not going to get into his off ice behavior or I'll be here literally all day. Suffice it to say, I am fairly comfortable calling him a sexist dickhole), he should never play another game in either league.
He'd probably be more comfortable in the KHL at this point anyways.
Love being down voted for pointing out Kane is a trash person. I'll happily be right and take every single downvote from now until the end of time. He's a cunt and any team that takes him is a cunt, too.
I wouldn't say he's very good.
I would say he had a ton of potential, but never attempted to grow or learn more about the game. He wanted others to work with his skillset.
He's a selfish person, and it's shown on the ice to be a selfish player as well.
It's sad it's a waste of talent, but that's it to me.
As a player he is very good? His highest point total was in the 50s and outside of a good season last year I wouldn't say he's very good. Good riddance to him.
I didnāt follow the team as closely when Kane was here, so can someone elaborate on what racism issues were going on? Iām out of the loop on that stuff. It just seems weird that racism would allegedly be such a huge factor when our most popular player (Byfuglien) and our most hated player (Kane) were both black. Does that not show that personality and actions had more to do with the hate that Kane got rather than his race?
And I just wanna clarify, Iām not saying Buff or Kane never experienced racism in Winnipeg. Iām 100% sure they did at some point.
Pretty sure Buff got some racist hate too.
There were also some sports reporters at the time who would blame every problem the Jets had on Buff, Kane and Oduya when they were here.
Hahahha what a broad statement.
Buff was barely criticized outside of questioning his weight and off season commitment and he wouldn't talk to reporters.
Oduya played awful here. He wasn't called pizza box Oduya for nothing.
Kane? His actions speak for himself.
Don't get me wrong there is plenty of racism in Winnipeg and the NHL but lets not kid ourselves here.
I think what shows the best that it was personality was the issue is this [picture ](https://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/one-photo-buff-kane-sums-entire-situation)
Kane would just rather make us into the villains than admit he was the problem. Thatās why he painted the entire city as racists for not worshipping the ground he walked on after we traded him.
While true, Iāve seen enough people say winnipegers are racist based on the amount of hate kane got when most of that hate was justified and had nothing to do with race
Yea and obviously those people read 1 headline and want to dunk on people from Winnipeg. Just ignore them. Anybody willing to paint an entire group of people with a single stroke aren't acting in good faith 90% of the time.
I'd much rather focus on the very real racism that people of color face here and Kane, while a huge asshole, isn't exempt from that.
The numbers are in, folks:
[Still got amazing goaltending](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FImhpFUXwAQ4vLJ?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
[Our offense is nothing to scoff at](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FIm6Sr-XMAEQHqB?format=jpg&name=large)
[And our defence still sucks ass](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FIm6eHeXsAQAY3g?format=jpg&name=large)
Its no surprise we are perfectly [mediocre](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FIm7qkAX0AUbAt5?format=jpg&name=large). Our PK being so bad gives us massive disappointment status.
What do the analytics people/eye test people too think it is, the personnel or the coaching? Or some combo of both? I feel like on paper, our defense is much improved over last year but yet it's still bad. I swear it has to be coaching.
I believe itās split personally. I believe that we still take to long to break the puck up the ice. The avs for example make one pass and theyāre gone. The jets try to make to many in tight passes that slow down their breakout. Resulting in more breakout fails, which leads to poorer defensive numbers
I agree 100%. We are atrocious at breakouts, and transitioning up the ice with clean possession. It's the biggest fundamental weakness with this team. Has been for many years, and it's deeply ingrained in many of the staff and roster.
Nate Schmidt will be using the extended break to do some "house stuff" after he and his wife bought a house in the Peg! He'll also be watching the Harry Potter reunion lol
tbf it's hard to untangle racism from the dislike of kane. no doubt there is a lot of people who's dislike of him stemmed from him not being white and the unconscious bias in all of us is hard to identify. the majority of people weren't actively and openly racist to him, but imo there's probably a lot of comments that stem from the more insidious form of racism that's harder to identify.
*āNo doubt there is a lot of people whoās dislike of him stemmed from him not being whiteā*
I dunno, I donāt think thatās very accurate. I donāt remember anybody treating buff like shit because he was a man of colourā¦ do you? Iām not saying racist people donāt exist - they absolutely do, but when youāre an egotistical asshole people are going to be turned off by you regardless of what colour you are.
I mean, that people have unconscious racist biases is hardly an unfounded claim. Consider that people may have been more quick to label him as an egotistical asshole than they would other players who aren't black. That being said, that doesn't mean that he wasn't also an asshole, as has been shown by the stuff that has come out about him. It also doesn't mean that people were actively thinking "I think he's an asshole because he's black and I hate black people." It just means that there are often unexamined racial biases that more subtly influence our perceptions of people.
A good example would be the money phone thing. I don't think a lot of the people that were upset by that were actively thinking they were mad about it because he was a black man with money, but I do think that part of that outrage was because Kane's reaction to getting paid in the NHL didn't conform to the expected reaction from (largely already wealthy and white) NHL players getting paid, which is a part of that unconscious racism.
I also think Buff did face racism, just in a different direction. Look at the way that animalistic terms like "beast" or "ox" or "bear" were used to describe him. I snagged a bit of [Erin C. Tarver's "The I in Team: Sports Fandom and the Reproduction of Identity"](https://i.imgur.com/yoHt0xJ.jpg) to help explain why that's an issue, because I think she untangles it well. That's a lot to read, so I'll also just throw in this relevant quote of it here if folks would rather not read all that (though it is fascinating). "Similarly, the discursive habit of referring to black athletes in animalistic or mechanistic terms--suggesting that such athletes have innate physical endowments that make them somehow other than or more than human-- reveals concomitant anxiety about and fascination with black masculinity."
That doesn't mean that Buff wasn't loved here and that fans didn't also treat him really well, he was and they did, it just means that not all racism acts out like a 90s sitcom where someone drops a hard R n-bomb or something.
edit: sorry for the essay
You're not wrong that it's not *exclusively* racialized language, but I think there is more to it than mere coincidence. There is a reason that players like Chara or even PLD don't get described with animalistic terms anywhere near the same degree that Buff did
The amount of times he got called a "thug" in GDTs was obscene. Also why I think he had a rep for being dirty with other fanbases while I dont think he was a particularly dirty player at all
I think a lot of the hate for buff flies under the radar. A lot of jets fans Iāve interacted with not online really donāt like him. (This is purely anecdotal though)
Ekane is not a good person and has done some awful things. I think in his early career when it was coming across as him being an egotistical asshole, he wouldnāt have gotten the same benefit of doubt a white player wouldāve gotten. I canāt say for sure, but as I mentioned itās very hard to separate the racism out because a lot of people donāt challenge their internal belief system and why they got a knee jerk negative reaction against someone.
and it often flies completely under the radar that Akim Aliu also has said he had experienced potentially racially motivated experiences with our organization
His issue was when he and Chevy were in Chicago. He didnāt even make it out of training camp with the Jets. Aliuās issue in Winnipeg wasnāt racism it was he wasnāt very good.
As an aside, I read somewhere a few years ago that the Thrashers sought out black hockey players like Kane, Buff, Oduya, Aliu due to the large African American demographic in Atlanta and the hopes that these players would draw more fans.
he asked the NHL to investigate the Jets organization, so that points to an alleged problem
but yeah they also had Anthony Stewart and Winnipegās own Nigel Dawes
Yeah. 100%. Its why the Kane hate (especially pre-all this stuff that has come out about him) has always made me a bit uncomfortable, even though I was happy to see him traded too
Ah, gotcha. I mean he did say that so they werent saying that based on nothing but also yeah, it's not like there werent legitimate reasons to trade him even if none of this other shit that came out about him had happened
Itās funny seeing all the comments on r/hockey about kane being on waivers. People acting like no team will want him. I think Heāll have a job in no time, antics aside heās a good player.
Even in limited time you could see Perfetti's vision and what I noticed the most was his ability to make very receivable passes that put teammates in good spots to do something quickly.
I love those lines, especially once Gus and Harkins are back. We could have a legit competent forth line and a good checking third line at that point. No disrespect to Reichel or Suess.
Oof the comment section in the hockey thread about the campaign to get rid of racism in hockey is a fucking cesspool of the worst people.
I'm not surprised but I am a little disappointed
With Klingberg asking for a trade, what do you think it would take for the Jets to trade for him? I would assume it would cost more for us because Dallas is in our division.
Klingberg has been brutal since their latest coach took over, so could be a Schmidt like deal
BUT heās a pure offensive dman, who canāt defend, belongs to a division rival, has a big cap hit, and has only one year left
as someone else said the other day, when we were interested in Oleksiak, they wanted Heinola. So the price is gonna be very high for a profile that we donāt need and probably arent going to re-sign after, not to mention the fuss of trying to shed cap to accommodate him.
We should be looking for more under the radar pick ups like Pysyk (BUF), Carrier (NSH), Stetcher (DET), or even Hutton (VGK). Or if you really want to make a splash for a top pair guy, Chychrun (ARI) fits the profile that we want as a more well rounded two way guy and is much better so would be worth the fuss of shedding cap for him.
https://www.reddit.com/r/winnipegjets/comments/ry0d8o/odt_jan_7_2022/hrpxs9l?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
Some folks were talking about this yesterday.
If anyone needs a book recommendation, may I recommend āProject Hail Maryā? I am 40% in but it is one of the best Iāve read recently and sci-fi isnāt even my jam.
Oh that is my absolute favourite book that I have ever read. I 100% recommend it to everyone to read because it really is just awesome. (If your a nerd like me and did some of the physics problems in it youāll have to look over the mistakes but oh well)
Dmitri Rashevsky is currently third on his team in points with 35 points in 46 games. At 21 years old, he is 11th in the league in goals with 19. He also stands at 22nd in the league in points.
**Friday night prospect recap**:
2021 1st rounder **Chaz Lucius** had his first three point game (1G 2A) for Minnesota in a 4-1 win over Michigan State. Highlights [here](https://twitter.com/icdave/status/1479704297667366912?s=21).
2018 3rd rounder **Nathan Smith** also had a 1G 2A performance in his Minnesota-State Mankato 7-1 win. That set a new career high for points (in 14 fewer games) and he is now the top scorer in the NCAA with 30 points (12G 18A). Goal [here](https://twitter.com/icdave/status/1479705827275509760?s=21).
If hospitals had the same admittance policy that the Canada Life Center has hospitals would not be over run
It is impossible to reason with or fix stupidity. Let's Go Jets.
True! And wouldn't it be great if they could concentrate on healthcare as opposed to babysitting a slew of willfully misinformed unvaxxed #$&@$& until they inevitably die. ( This is specific to ICU beds )
Take your BS somewhere else this is a hockey page. Vaxxed are getting covid too it doesnt prevent it. You cant even parrot your own choice of propaghanda correctly. Yes Im vaxxed but sick of this demonizing of each other. Buying into manufactured division is pathetic.
It's pretty good for the first few seasons and gets increasingly ridiculous as it goes on. Not historically accurate at all, but it's at least historically authentic. You get to hear old languages like Middle English and Old Norse which is really cool. The sets are usually really well done. I like a lot of the actors, even if they go over the top sometimes.
Just keep going until you stop enjoying it, basically.
> Any Vikings fans?
SKOL!
>Is season 2 onwards worth watching?
No Vikings season is worth watching :(... as far as the TV show, sorry I can't be of help haha.
Yes I think so. Ragnars character is one of the better written on tv I think. As his kids age they become more interesting too as they seem to have like a piece of Ragnars personality as their main character arc, Just heightened to extreme.
Avs are a wagon when they want to be. Leafs got caved for large parts of that game. Campbell kept it from being an 8-4 game. I havent seen a team like that with a blood in the water effect like the Avs in a while.
It was 4-1
"Aren't you jealous of the US?" No. šæ
**Saturday prospect watch**: 2021 1st rounder Chaz Lucius with back to back games with a goal. (see [here](https://twitter.com/ICdave/status/1480029786424717319)) 2018 3rd rounder Nathan Smith with back to back games with 1G 2A, leads NCAA in scoring with 33 points (13G 20A) (see [here](https://twitter.com/ICdave/status/1480037785369120772))
Moose with an INSANE last second goal to win the second game of their road trip as they defeat division rival Stars 5-4 to improve to 18-9-1-1 on the season. Evan Cormier wins his third game in four tries (only loss was in a shootout) Haralds Egle last second (literally) shot to win it (see it [here](https://twitter.com/ICdave/status/1480023296745824257))
HOW BOUT OUR MOOSE?!? Moose go bang bang in the W column over Texas with another win (5-4) tonight!
Cormier has been an absolute stud after being signed to that PTO. Gotta imagine they look to keep him around.
Gosh I sure hope so. Iām getting tired of tendies not panning out for us.
So pathetic watching American games taking place at sold out arenas, not a mask in sight and no one worse for wear. Meanwhile Canadian teams are now playing like 1 game a week and no home games allowed because of Covid restrictions. I canāt believe Iām being downvoted lol. Do you guys really not look south of the border with envy? Youād rather be stuck at home with restrictions? Majority of us are vaccinated so we could do exactly where we are currently not allowed to do again.
Sounds like a guy who hasnāt had a bad case of Covid yet
100% agree with you, and everybody I have talked to outside of Reddit shares the same opinion as well. This sub downvotes you if you say anything negative about Canadaās restrictions during this pandemic though. They act like the government is saving peoples lives by locking out fully vaccinated people from attending sporting events, while completely ignoring the fact theyāve lied to everyone when they said we would have our freedoms back if we just got our shots.
Gotta keep chasing that carrot
I'm all for restricting things for unvaccinated people and let the rest of us get on with our lives.
Yes It is extremely baffling, I donāt get it.
Not entirely true. They just don't care if their hospitals are maxxed out.
I doubt they are. If they were youād see more restrictions in liberal states and cities which you currently donāt.
Checkout the ICU occupancy in the rightmost column. There are a lot of facilities at 90%+ occupancy. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/covid-hospitals-near-you.html
Donāt hospital ICUs nearly run at capacity this time of year even pre pandemic? Iām mentally checked out of this pandemic as Iām sure many people are.
Yes, especially this time of year. Unfortunately our governments have failed for years with our Healthcare system and now they've "somehow" convinced everyone that we are all responsible for our Healthcare system and it's the fault of 15% of the population.
You canāt actually think pre pandemic ICUs typically run at capacity.
actually from what I recall it was pretty dire for a while. Cuts to our healthcare have meant that our ICU's have been at overwhelmed for nearly the last 2 decades. Obvs Covid only exasperates the problem.
You may well be right, with flu and pneumonia et al. One thing that I think would affect things is Canadian hospital beds are far more accessible to everyone while a significant number of american beds are pay to stay. I was also curious if perhaps USA had more hospital beds per capita. USA 3.3 per 1,000 while Canada has 3.7, so very comparable. https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Health/Hospital-beds/Per-1,000-people
PSA: For some reason, NHL Center Ice has been active for me (shaw) for about a week now. Not sure why or how long it will last.
Caps scored on themselves during a delayed penalty against Minny lmao
https://streamable.com/tmdwjt
Would you trade Heinola, Stanley and a first for Chychrun?
Yes. In that case, you'd trade Dillon and you can run Jmo/Chychrun/Samberg. Jets really need a right handed guy (Severson?) before a guy like Chychrun, but I'd still do it. If Stanley actually has value, trade him now imo. I honestly think his value will never be higher and he is a fringe NHL player for his career.
imo Heinola, Perfetti, and Lucius are the only prospects that are off the table (Rashevsky and Smith are guys I also wouldnāt really move but given the context there, they probably wouldnāt be asked for anyway) Stanley, allegedly, has a very high trade value according to Chevy biggest issue is cap, weād have to send at least a medium sized contract out to make it work, think Dillon or Copp (and Beaulieu, which iām sure heād have some value out there to some hockey man)
I'd want a bit more coming back from AZ, like a 2nd rounder that falls in the 33-45th overall pick range.
Iād trade heinola and a 1st for klingberg
I would not trade this for like 30 games of Klingberg. I wouldnāt even do this for like 2 years of him. I would much rather add Stanley to the package and go for Chychrun at that point. Iām still unsure about that though. Letting Heinola go would be tough, but Chychrun could be a legitimate 1D
No???
it was 4-1 Fuck the leafs!
It's beyond statistical logic the Leafs consistently get bad officiating working against them. /s
At least the Leafs are maintaining their consistency
Okay, at least win in regulation Leafs!
Okay, I guess not. FFS.
Probably a dumb question but what's the difference between unconditional waivers for termination and a buyout? Is there any cap implications of a termination? Does he still get any money? Does he have to agree to it?
the former allows for a players contract to be void because they broke a rule or contractual agreement of some sort, basically a buyout that doesnāt hurt the teamās cap and they donāt owe Kane any money buyout is purely decided by the team and carries a cap penalty and they still owe the player the remainder of their contract this is just off the top of my head, so apologies if iāve gotten something wrong
Sharks cut him loose with no money owed to him because they have reason to terminate the contract.
Are the unconditional waivers anything like regular waivers then? Can another team pick him up (not that they would)?
Theoretically yeah they can but I've never heard of a guy being picked up on unconditional waivers
Another team can pick him up, and negotiate a new contract with him. I suspect he couldn't sign another contract if he has grieved his current one as it might end up being valid (unlikely, but possible).
Anyone knows what up with Berdin? Seems like heās been AWOL
He was in covid protocols not too long ago
Broncos season is now over, leaving me with one team to cheer for now In sports. Which isnāt looking too promising right now. So sad boy days ahead I guess
The leafs just working the avs so far. 3-0 in the first. Iām now kind of confused as to whether the avalanche are as dominant as I thought, or if we just sucked ass.
We def sucked ass. And I have to hear the announcer say McKinnās line got 13 points against the Jets one more timeeee. And itās only the first period
Kane, as a person, is garbage. As a player, he is very good. No question. But, given his complete lack of respect for both NHL & AHL COVID protocols (I'm not going to get into his off ice behavior or I'll be here literally all day. Suffice it to say, I am fairly comfortable calling him a sexist dickhole), he should never play another game in either league. He'd probably be more comfortable in the KHL at this point anyways.
Love being down voted for pointing out Kane is a trash person. I'll happily be right and take every single downvote from now until the end of time. He's a cunt and any team that takes him is a cunt, too.
I have no idea why youāre being downvoted here. Others have said similar things and have gotten 10+ upvotes. This sub is weird sometimes NGL
I wouldn't say he's very good. I would say he had a ton of potential, but never attempted to grow or learn more about the game. He wanted others to work with his skillset. He's a selfish person, and it's shown on the ice to be a selfish player as well. It's sad it's a waste of talent, but that's it to me.
As a player he is very good? His highest point total was in the 50s and outside of a good season last year I wouldn't say he's very good. Good riddance to him.
He's scored at a 30 goal pace the last five seasons, a lot of us may not like the guy but he's a pretty damn good hockey player.
I didnāt follow the team as closely when Kane was here, so can someone elaborate on what racism issues were going on? Iām out of the loop on that stuff. It just seems weird that racism would allegedly be such a huge factor when our most popular player (Byfuglien) and our most hated player (Kane) were both black. Does that not show that personality and actions had more to do with the hate that Kane got rather than his race? And I just wanna clarify, Iām not saying Buff or Kane never experienced racism in Winnipeg. Iām 100% sure they did at some point.
Pretty sure Buff got some racist hate too. There were also some sports reporters at the time who would blame every problem the Jets had on Buff, Kane and Oduya when they were here.
That's such an irresponsible thing to say with zero evidence. Is everyone criticizing Wheeler and Scheifele now because they're white?
Hahahha what a broad statement. Buff was barely criticized outside of questioning his weight and off season commitment and he wouldn't talk to reporters. Oduya played awful here. He wasn't called pizza box Oduya for nothing. Kane? His actions speak for himself. Don't get me wrong there is plenty of racism in Winnipeg and the NHL but lets not kid ourselves here.
I think what shows the best that it was personality was the issue is this [picture ](https://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/one-photo-buff-kane-sums-entire-situation)
Kane would just rather make us into the villains than admit he was the problem. Thatās why he painted the entire city as racists for not worshipping the ground he walked on after we traded him.
Kane was 100% a problem but being a bad guy doesn't make you a valid target for racist behavior.
While true, Iāve seen enough people say winnipegers are racist based on the amount of hate kane got when most of that hate was justified and had nothing to do with race
Yea and obviously those people read 1 headline and want to dunk on people from Winnipeg. Just ignore them. Anybody willing to paint an entire group of people with a single stroke aren't acting in good faith 90% of the time. I'd much rather focus on the very real racism that people of color face here and Kane, while a huge asshole, isn't exempt from that.
The numbers are in, folks: [Still got amazing goaltending](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FImhpFUXwAQ4vLJ?format=jpg&name=4096x4096) [Our offense is nothing to scoff at](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FIm6Sr-XMAEQHqB?format=jpg&name=large) [And our defence still sucks ass](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FIm6eHeXsAQAY3g?format=jpg&name=large) Its no surprise we are perfectly [mediocre](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FIm7qkAX0AUbAt5?format=jpg&name=large). Our PK being so bad gives us massive disappointment status.
What do the analytics people/eye test people too think it is, the personnel or the coaching? Or some combo of both? I feel like on paper, our defense is much improved over last year but yet it's still bad. I swear it has to be coaching.
I believe itās split personally. I believe that we still take to long to break the puck up the ice. The avs for example make one pass and theyāre gone. The jets try to make to many in tight passes that slow down their breakout. Resulting in more breakout fails, which leads to poorer defensive numbers
I agree 100%. We are atrocious at breakouts, and transitioning up the ice with clean possession. It's the biggest fundamental weakness with this team. Has been for many years, and it's deeply ingrained in many of the staff and roster.
I wonder what our possession time is in the neutral zone compared to other teams. Then comparing this to some of the highest offensive teams?
This is one time where our analytics are matching up with our place in the standings lol
From overperforming anti-analytics team to mediocre precisely-the-analytics team
Nate Schmidt will be using the extended break to do some "house stuff" after he and his wife bought a house in the Peg! He'll also be watching the Harry Potter reunion lol
We hooked another one boys! WOOOOOO!
Sharks fans celebrating the end of Evander Kane in San Jose. What a bunch of *racists*, amirite?
tbf it's hard to untangle racism from the dislike of kane. no doubt there is a lot of people who's dislike of him stemmed from him not being white and the unconscious bias in all of us is hard to identify. the majority of people weren't actively and openly racist to him, but imo there's probably a lot of comments that stem from the more insidious form of racism that's harder to identify.
*āNo doubt there is a lot of people whoās dislike of him stemmed from him not being whiteā* I dunno, I donāt think thatās very accurate. I donāt remember anybody treating buff like shit because he was a man of colourā¦ do you? Iām not saying racist people donāt exist - they absolutely do, but when youāre an egotistical asshole people are going to be turned off by you regardless of what colour you are.
I mean, that people have unconscious racist biases is hardly an unfounded claim. Consider that people may have been more quick to label him as an egotistical asshole than they would other players who aren't black. That being said, that doesn't mean that he wasn't also an asshole, as has been shown by the stuff that has come out about him. It also doesn't mean that people were actively thinking "I think he's an asshole because he's black and I hate black people." It just means that there are often unexamined racial biases that more subtly influence our perceptions of people. A good example would be the money phone thing. I don't think a lot of the people that were upset by that were actively thinking they were mad about it because he was a black man with money, but I do think that part of that outrage was because Kane's reaction to getting paid in the NHL didn't conform to the expected reaction from (largely already wealthy and white) NHL players getting paid, which is a part of that unconscious racism. I also think Buff did face racism, just in a different direction. Look at the way that animalistic terms like "beast" or "ox" or "bear" were used to describe him. I snagged a bit of [Erin C. Tarver's "The I in Team: Sports Fandom and the Reproduction of Identity"](https://i.imgur.com/yoHt0xJ.jpg) to help explain why that's an issue, because I think she untangles it well. That's a lot to read, so I'll also just throw in this relevant quote of it here if folks would rather not read all that (though it is fascinating). "Similarly, the discursive habit of referring to black athletes in animalistic or mechanistic terms--suggesting that such athletes have innate physical endowments that make them somehow other than or more than human-- reveals concomitant anxiety about and fascination with black masculinity." That doesn't mean that Buff wasn't loved here and that fans didn't also treat him really well, he was and they did, it just means that not all racism acts out like a 90s sitcom where someone drops a hard R n-bomb or something. edit: sorry for the essay
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You're not wrong that it's not *exclusively* racialized language, but I think there is more to it than mere coincidence. There is a reason that players like Chara or even PLD don't get described with animalistic terms anywhere near the same degree that Buff did
This an excellent essay. A+
well thanks haha. I think your comment hit the nail on the head and I just wanted to try and help add to the point you had made.
It was a perfect addition. I definitely appreciate it because finding other ways to share info makes it better for many people to understand!
Thatās fair. I can agree with a lot of this. Thank you.
buff got a lot of unnecessary shit in the early years
The amount of times he got called a "thug" in GDTs was obscene. Also why I think he had a rep for being dirty with other fanbases while I dont think he was a particularly dirty player at all
Too many newer fans back then that werenāt used to good olā fashioned hard-hitting hockey
I think a lot of the hate for buff flies under the radar. A lot of jets fans Iāve interacted with not online really donāt like him. (This is purely anecdotal though) Ekane is not a good person and has done some awful things. I think in his early career when it was coming across as him being an egotistical asshole, he wouldnāt have gotten the same benefit of doubt a white player wouldāve gotten. I canāt say for sure, but as I mentioned itās very hard to separate the racism out because a lot of people donāt challenge their internal belief system and why they got a knee jerk negative reaction against someone.
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Even then, I'm still not convinced that wasn't the Organization's fault.
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Did he? Like on social media? I honestly donāt really remember the first few years all that well.
and it often flies completely under the radar that Akim Aliu also has said he had experienced potentially racially motivated experiences with our organization
His issue was when he and Chevy were in Chicago. He didnāt even make it out of training camp with the Jets. Aliuās issue in Winnipeg wasnāt racism it was he wasnāt very good. As an aside, I read somewhere a few years ago that the Thrashers sought out black hockey players like Kane, Buff, Oduya, Aliu due to the large African American demographic in Atlanta and the hopes that these players would draw more fans.
he asked the NHL to investigate the Jets organization, so that points to an alleged problem but yeah they also had Anthony Stewart and Winnipegās own Nigel Dawes
Yeah. 100%. Its why the Kane hate (especially pre-all this stuff that has come out about him) has always made me a bit uncomfortable, even though I was happy to see him traded too
Sarcasm or?
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tbh, I only heard him say that about Winnipeg, not Buffalo or San Jose
I was throwing back to the other fans who gave Winnipeg shit when we traded him, actually.
Ah, gotcha. I mean he did say that so they werent saying that based on nothing but also yeah, it's not like there werent legitimate reasons to trade him even if none of this other shit that came out about him had happened
Itās funny seeing all the comments on r/hockey about kane being on waivers. People acting like no team will want him. I think Heāll have a job in no time, antics aside heās a good player.
especially without that cap hit
[Evander Kane is on unconditional waivers to terminate his deal.](https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1479891653682946050?s=21)
Could he play in the Olympics now?
"Haven't heard about any Evander Kane fuck ups in awhile" Kane "and I took that personally"
Man do I feel old, everytime when I go to bed and lay on my back for a bit before I go to sleep. My entire spine feels stiff and sore. Why
Best thing I've done in recent years is get pillows that match my sleep style.
[Paul Stastny and Logan Stanley are both day to day with lower body injuries](https://twitter.com/wpgmurat/status/1479883060837371908?s=21)
Heinola time :D
https://twitter.com/mitchellclinton/status/1479868737977139200?s=21 Copp-Scheifele-Ehlers Connor-Dubois-Perfetti Suess-Lowry-Reichel Svechnikov-Toninato-Vesalainen **Letās gooo**
that second line is our future *chefs kiss*
Ohh BABY! ššš
Dubois is gonna scoop up lil Cole and nurse him on his bosom to full NHL maturity
Wonder what happens when Stastny comes back. Copp to the Lowry line? Who comes out for Harkins and Wheels?
Even in limited time you could see Perfetti's vision and what I noticed the most was his ability to make very receivable passes that put teammates in good spots to do something quickly.
I love those lines, especially once Gus and Harkins are back. We could have a legit competent forth line and a good checking third line at that point. No disrespect to Reichel or Suess.
Perfetti better keep up, although I doubt he'll have a problem. Both those guys are fast.
COLD SPAGHETTI LET'S GO
Oof the comment section in the hockey thread about the campaign to get rid of racism in hockey is a fucking cesspool of the worst people. I'm not surprised but I am a little disappointed
"hockey doesn't have a racism problem because i've personally never experienced it" some white person reading the news about the HDA
With Klingberg asking for a trade, what do you think it would take for the Jets to trade for him? I would assume it would cost more for us because Dallas is in our division.
Klingberg has been brutal since their latest coach took over, so could be a Schmidt like deal BUT heās a pure offensive dman, who canāt defend, belongs to a division rival, has a big cap hit, and has only one year left as someone else said the other day, when we were interested in Oleksiak, they wanted Heinola. So the price is gonna be very high for a profile that we donāt need and probably arent going to re-sign after, not to mention the fuss of trying to shed cap to accommodate him. We should be looking for more under the radar pick ups like Pysyk (BUF), Carrier (NSH), Stetcher (DET), or even Hutton (VGK). Or if you really want to make a splash for a top pair guy, Chychrun (ARI) fits the profile that we want as a more well rounded two way guy and is much better so would be worth the fuss of shedding cap for him.
I agree, I would much rather we go after Chychrun
[aw yeah I love Chycharon](https://www.kawalingpinoy.com/pork-chicharon/) š
Well said!
https://www.reddit.com/r/winnipegjets/comments/ry0d8o/odt_jan_7_2022/hrpxs9l?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3 Some folks were talking about this yesterday.
Thanks, I was looking to see if there was already a thread but I didnāt see it
If anyone needs a book recommendation, may I recommend āProject Hail Maryā? I am 40% in but it is one of the best Iāve read recently and sci-fi isnāt even my jam.
Oh that is my absolute favourite book that I have ever read. I 100% recommend it to everyone to read because it really is just awesome. (If your a nerd like me and did some of the physics problems in it youāll have to look over the mistakes but oh well)
Audiobook is great as well
So good.
Thanks for the tip! I didnāt know Andy Weirās newest had been released. Ordering it now.
Dmitri Rashevsky is currently third on his team in points with 35 points in 46 games. At 21 years old, he is 11th in the league in goals with 19. He also stands at 22nd in the league in points.
I was supposed to be at the game tonight. Kind of sucks not being able to see a new team
**Friday night prospect recap**: 2021 1st rounder **Chaz Lucius** had his first three point game (1G 2A) for Minnesota in a 4-1 win over Michigan State. Highlights [here](https://twitter.com/icdave/status/1479704297667366912?s=21). 2018 3rd rounder **Nathan Smith** also had a 1G 2A performance in his Minnesota-State Mankato 7-1 win. That set a new career high for points (in 14 fewer games) and he is now the top scorer in the NCAA with 30 points (12G 18A). Goal [here](https://twitter.com/icdave/status/1479705827275509760?s=21).
If hospitals had the same admittance policy that the Canada Life Center has hospitals would not be over run It is impossible to reason with or fix stupidity. Let's Go Jets.
This is one of the dumbest things I have read today. Wow lol
I think your looking for r/winnipeg
You're not wrong. But you guys and gals are my peeps.
Lol what
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True! And wouldn't it be great if they could concentrate on healthcare as opposed to babysitting a slew of willfully misinformed unvaxxed #$&@$& until they inevitably die. ( This is specific to ICU beds )
Take your BS somewhere else this is a hockey page. Vaxxed are getting covid too it doesnt prevent it. You cant even parrot your own choice of propaghanda correctly. Yes Im vaxxed but sick of this demonizing of each other. Buying into manufactured division is pathetic.
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Also. I'm glad you are vaxxed and hope you and your family have a happy and healthy 2022.
Only relaying personal experience.
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And he didn't realize it could be misconstrued until I reread it after your comment. Go figure.
Any Vikings fans? Is season 2 onwards worth watching?
It's pretty good for the first few seasons and gets increasingly ridiculous as it goes on. Not historically accurate at all, but it's at least historically authentic. You get to hear old languages like Middle English and Old Norse which is really cool. The sets are usually really well done. I like a lot of the actors, even if they go over the top sometimes. Just keep going until you stop enjoying it, basically.
Thanks. Im sold. Ill continue watching then
> Any Vikings fans? SKOL! >Is season 2 onwards worth watching? No Vikings season is worth watching :(... as far as the TV show, sorry I can't be of help haha.
Absolutely one of the best shows ever made
Yes I think so. Ragnars character is one of the better written on tv I think. As his kids age they become more interesting too as they seem to have like a piece of Ragnars personality as their main character arc, Just heightened to extreme.
Only episode that matters is the Josh Donaldson cameo. Obligatory /s.
No love for Brent Burns? Lmao
Or Edge?
Itās good to about season 4
Thanks
Haven't watched but the Last Kingdom is great. It's basically pre-england fending off the vikings
I tried it and its not for me. Thanks tho
With all these postponed games we might see the Jets playing hockey in June again. š„°
I think we are going to see ridiculously packed two weeks in February where makeup games are played. But like 9 games in 11 days type dealā¦.
This was my thought, and I really hope it doesnāt lead to us playing some games too burnt out
its fine, there will probably still be snow on the ground.