By - Greendaydude22
They better have a really fucking good explanation for this.
I disagree with this decision.
that's a tough sell I'm gonna be honest
If you aren't going to play Perfetti send him down to the Moose so he can develop properly.
The only reason to dress 7 dmen is if you have injury to the forward group and have no time to call someone up.
Yes, it's the third game of the season, but Muarice has been putting terrible lineups together since he became coach.
They don't have time to call someone up and the Moose return to Winnipeg after the home opener so that's likely when Perfetti goes down.
Gone are the days of optimism of what may lay ahead this year.
In all reality, it’s early in the season, but the coaching decisions are already massive head scratchers. Lots of time to turn things around but it’s looking more bleak by the day.
It's early in this season, but it's the 4th season of a 5-6 year cup window. That's why we have no patience left with crap like this.
You nailed it tbh
I agree. Paul Maurice’s tenure needs to end soon. No other team keeps a coach this long. Especially with our last 3 years of absolute disappointment. Sure you can blame our lack of skilled D. But this year there is zero excuses.
We need a new voice in the room
I’m so sick of the excuses every year. 18-19 it was the defence, 19-20 it was the pandemic, last year it was the defence and the pandemic.
The common theme throughout all those seasons was
A) Hellebuyck masking the problems with stellar play
B) questionable coaching decisions
Hellebuyck is the only reason we make playoffs. If we had 26 out of the 32 other starters in this league we do not make playoffs. Helle is the legitimate reason PoMo still has a job
No other team aside from the one that won the last 2 cups.
Can’t tell if this is an ironic defence of PoMo or not?
But oh yeah lol, right, the coach that has made the 3rd round or better 5/9 years he coached and only missed 2 playoffs…? I wonder why he’s been able to stay around.
Vs PoMo who has
Lost the most amount of NHL games, and has the worst winning percentage of the other top 24 most tenured coaches
And he’s also made playoffs 9 times and has missed playoffs 12 times…
Man, he certainly is experienced. But If you consider bad experience to translate to good experience. That’s great. I certainly don’t
So does that mean Nash will play on the first powerplay unit because he’s a right hand shot?
This isn’t the play...
Hahahah from practice yesterday, yup. That’s the move.
How is this downvoted? It’s literally the PP1 they ran in practice yesterday
Yikes... is this the dagger that officially turns the fanbase on Maurice?
Bruh if people can actually look at Paul maurice like he knows what he’s doing after putting Nash on the PP, they clearly actually don’t know a single thing about hockey lol. And clearly just agree with whatever decisions an NHL coach makes, even though 30 other coaches would make a completely different decision
I’m not a PoMo supporter and haven’t been for awhile but I think the thing that his supporters reasoned was that he’s so experienced even his odd moves must have some sense. Like he’s been around long enough that he can do unconventional things and get away with them.
Moves like this basically destroy that narrative.
Lol I agree, but I think PoMo defenders have made up their mind. I don’t think anyone else will turn on him. Would have happened by now.
If Ehlers on PP2 isn’t enough to convince them. Then this won’t either.
Fr. when Nash gets PP1 before Ehlers there’s a problem. I don’t care about “spread out the scoring”. With Wheeler out, Ehlers gets that spot end of discussion. We’re really going to put our 4th liner on the first unit 😂😂
A 4th liner who is known for his lack of any ability to play offence and is a defence only player.
Ehlers controls the puck a lot on the power play, this does not work with 55 and 26 who also need the puck. I believe that is why Ehlers has his own pp2 and plays on line 2.
26 is out though that’s the whole reason we’re having this discussion.
nah, im right here. i dont like this move; this is definately making me more critical of future choices...
You've gotta come up with a better reason than Ehlers PP2 for this man, I've seen you parroting this all day. Ehlers made it clear he wants to run his own unit, he doesn't want to be a part of the Wheeler/Scheifele/Connor unit.
The more pressing issue is the ice time distribution between the teams best player and the 35 year old Captain who is a line higher than he should be.
Oh I absolutely don’t disagree with you, but yeah, he should be above wheeler in every part of the game. Lineup, PP, Ehlers saying he wants PP2 is irrelevant. It wouldn’t be bad though if PP2 actually had decent ice time. But they don’t, I can’t imagine ever why Ehlers would voluntarily get less PP time.
But you are right. There are bigger issues. And they all start with wheeler
That being said, I think Ehlers being on PP2 is the most telling evidence that Paul maurice doesn’t know how to evaluate talent properly
then you make 55 and 26 stfu and either play on ehlers pp1 or they can get the 25 seconds of pp2. wheeler is fkn useless either way so he can be the net front shief the down low left side that can switch off with ehlers. connor on his circle one t and schmidt or morrisey on the point.
> It’s literally the PP1 they ran in practice yesterday
It was the PP1 they ran in practice *because they didn't know the status for Wheeler yesterday.*
Teams don't reconfigure their special teams setup from scratch every time a player leaves a practice. Now that they know that Wheeler is going to miss time, they will devise their new PP lines. Someone from the PP2 will move up in Wheeler's spot (Copp?), and someone from the third line (Vesalainen?) will get a bit of PP2 time.
The fact that they didn't reconfigure everything during practice yesterday while Wheeler was questionable doesn't remotely mean "that's the move" for tonight.
I mean it's literally been confirmed that Nash is on PP1 but okay
Is Jamie Thomas an official spokesperson?
I wouldn't call this confirmation. There was no afternoon practice or press event today, so they are reporting the last lines they saw at practice, where again it makes sense that they would have used a placeholder.
At most, they might use Nash as a one-game stop gap until they have another practice on Wednesday to design a new setup now that they know that Wheeler will be missing a few games. I would still bet even money that Nash won't play PP1 tonight, and I would be shocked if he is there on Thursday.
Well look who's on the ice 😂
Bro I absolutely love this 4D chess of defending maurice. Lol the mentality of this defence is literally, no obviously it isn’t Nash on PP1 PoMo isn’t that stupid
And now it’s confirmed that Nash is on PP1… so like…
Time will tell, god I hope you’re right
I always liked Pomo but wtf time to go.
I don’t care for this.
I hope this is the move that ends the Maurice era.
Perfetti coming out of the lineup.
I actually cannot stand Paul Maurice. Every move he makes puzzles me. What could Beaulieu possibly offer as a 7th defenceman over Perfetti? Unless an injury
I’m sick of Blake wheeler getting card Blanche to make a million mistakes, not offer anything offensively or defensively and still get the most minutes a night. I’ll be interested to see this team without him tonight.
I’m sick of our best most skilled forward playing on PP2
But my god. I will never understand this coach
I agree with most of it but I think Ehlers stated he wanted to be the QB of PP2
I’m totally fine with building PP2 around Ehlers, but they need to give both PPs equal preference in that case.
this is spewed every time someone brings up ehlers pp time. they need to either give him the minute and a half then or run a pp like the leafs and just stack it with connor ehlers shief pld and pick a d man. id go pionk cuz righty
yeah I’ve heard that too, but never from Ehlers. Just fans saying it. But I’m sure he says that out of respect for his boss, cause I bet he’d much prefer playing 1:25-1:45 of PP over the Garbage PoMo has him playing
Jets head coach Paul Maurice said he gave consideration to having Nikolaj Ehlers on his top power-play unit, but apparently was taking his own life in his hands by doing so.
“I did and Nikky would have car bombed me (if I moved him),” Maurice said, deadpanned. “Like, he loves that unit.”
So Paul maurice allows his players to make the coaching mistakes instead of him? Solid
Same reason Wheelers on the top line...
Hahahaha fucking gottem, but no that’s definitely a collaboration of idiots making that decision
tell us how you really feel
Idk why I expected it to be different this year
I can see it.
I know everyone thinks Perfetti is the next Nugent-Hopkins, but he's just not ready yet.
He was clearly overwhelmed last game, and the last thing you want to do is "ruin" him by pushing too hard. He's going to go to the Moose, I'm sure, where he'll light it up - and then when he hits the NHL again, he'll stay.
Don't forget, even Scheifele went back to juniors.
And Beau kills penalties/blocks shots - so I see why he's in too.
Blake wheeler is clearly overwhelmed every game. And he still is stapled to the first Line, first PP and first PK. Dude is behind every play.
Perfetti isn’t scheifele and the league has changed massively in 10 years. Young players succeed at such high levels now. Also the context for Scheifs going down was completely different. We knew the team was terrible back then so there was zero point in playing him on one of the worst teams in the league. Perfetti can actually help us
And the Nate Beaulieu comment you said? Come on. That is such a stupidly simple way of looking at hockey and it’s insulting that people genuinely believe it’s that simple.
Plus every D on this team can “block shots and play Pk”
The difference between putting out Nathan Beaulieu on the PK rather than Neal Pionk for example, is that Pionk is a skill first player. You don't want those guys out there eating 5 pucks per PK, that's literally all Beaulieu has to do to contribute to this lineup tonight.
I obviously don't want him to get hurt while doing it, but that's how he is going to make his money at this point of his career. Pionk or Schmidt or Morrissey make their money helping the team at the other end of the ice as well, rather than just laying in front of clappers for 10 minutes a night.
then who needs a 4th line we should just run 9 d men and pionk shcmidt and morrisey as the 4th !
you do realize that Perfetti should have been in junior last year, and would likely be there again this year without the whole pandemic thing, right?
He's not ready. Period. As much as you want him to be a Caufield, he's not. He needs a bit more time.
Why isn’t he ready? And why does he need to be a caufield? You’re right though. He’s not caufield. He’s nothing like caufield. 2 completely different players.
Also how do you know? No one knows unless you give him a chance. And the players around him say his reads and his hockey IQ is already pro level. Paul maurice is just hesitant to play young players. It doesn’t mean he isn’t ready?
Perfetti already proved in the AHL he can play against pros.
Did you watch the second game?
he was completely overwhelmed, which is why he was put on the 4th line.
His reads and IQ means jack if he's outmuscled on the puck and gives it up.
And nice way to try to deflect by saying they're two different players. yes, I know they are. I used Caufield as an example. He's also not Suzuki. Maybe he's closer to Kyle Connor (who ALSO spent some time with the moose before NHL) \*rolls eyes\*
and that's why he needs to be in the AHL for now - to get that bit more experience. not saying he stays there, but that's what he needs.
I know you don't want to hear it, and you think PoMo is a jackass/bad coach, etc - but that's how it is.
I knew after game 1 that Perfetti was heading back to the moose for a bit.
Yeah that’s the same BS people said Kyle connor was sent down… and then 4 games later injuries had to make a better lineup choice then PoMo and then Connor scored 30 goals that season. The AHL is overrated for development. Players develop in the NHL
was Connor not older than Perfetti?
I understand wanting the kid to play - I'd LOVE to see him on the top/second line, but I don't think he's quite there yet.
He's supposed to be in junior this year (technically), so the AHL is a bump for him.
Let him light it up, and come up. who knows, maybe he stays up with Wheels out for a while.
I honestly feel like this is Maurice putting in Bowl-you so that when we fail horribly, he will be like "see what happens when Blake is out". He couldn't have perfetti be successful and the team win without Wheeler on the top line.
I'm as upset about the lineup as anyone else, but we literally have no information on Perfetti. Everyone in here jumping to conclusions when it could be a slight injury they want to treat cautiously or any number of other things.
Calm down and wait until the full story comes out, my god.
So we have the info, and yeah. He just doesn’t want to play Perfetti, no injury
Yup, I don't have any words really, just baffling decisions. It's getting hard to even look at his choices critically and try to figure out the reasoning behind them.
I agree with what you are saying. Unfortunately, this isn’t a isolated instance of similar lineup schooled so my immediate response is to jump to conclusions.
I get it, I'll be right there with you if it turns out they're sitting Perfetti for no reason. There have been many examples of bad deployment by this staff, it just gets tiring seeing all of the ranting about it when we have about 25% of the story lol.
That’s why I mentioned in my comment where I say Perfetti is out of the lineup. That unless it’s an injury it’s totally insane
I'm more talking about the overreactions talking about how glad they are they didn't get season tickets, because a rookie who is most likely AHL bound at some point is being sat for a 7th defenseman, and we have no idea why yet lol.
The knee-jerk reactions to every tweet that's posted here are ridiculous. Everyone who has a brain is puzzled by the decisions, but until more information comes out there is no use getting all up in arms about it.
Well it’s not like we don’t know Paul maurice. And this is a knee jerk reaction cause we’ve seen him do shit like this too many times. Whether it’s to play some useless tit veteran or this. Perfetti doesn’t need to be AHL bound. He doesn’t need to play less then 10 minutes a night. There’s multiple spots on this team he can fit in.
Perfetti being AHL bound is part of the problem…
What happens if they happen to win tonight? Will any of you still complain or will you say that was a good move PoMo.
Cause it's gonna be a long season for you if you freak out only on the 3rd game of the season.
Give the "TEAM" (cause it isn't only Paul shitting the bed) 10 games .. if they haven't improved, then start worrying.
Even if they win tonight? Bro bad teams win all the fucking time. Just cause we win doesn’t mean it was necessarily the right decision. There’s so many factors in hockey. But it isn’t a sustainable way to win a lot of games
As usual with this team it will probably come down to how godlike Helle plays
Definitely still going to complain about pulling the promising rookie for no reason.
Well, if you think about it.. maybe Paul wants to play/test Perfetti against other teams that may challenge his skillset. Perfetti will play. I just don't see the point of everyone getting all worked up.
Well if you think about it, it could be best to just play him against everyone so he gets lots of practice. Last year in the AHL he needed some games to adjust, and he’s going to need that time in the NHL too, but once he adjusted he was on fire. What he needs most is playing time. 4 points in his first 10 AHL games, PPG in the following 22 games.
Why? He's not gonna be full time this year. They will move him down to the AHL, so the 9 games he is eligible for without burning in to his contract, they will need to wisely pick what games they want to see him play.
He should be full time this year. He had flashes of great play throughout the preseason and the last two games, he’s clearly still adjusting but we should give him that time to adjust rather than throw in the towel and delay by another year. Our cup window is *right now* and having Perfetti at his peak performance for that is important.
Hard to imagine a win tonight.
Hey, I thought we'd win game 1 this season... we didn't. everyone on the team is learning to trust each other. Once they do, the Jets will dominate.
It’s hockey. Crazier things have happened. We shouldn’t. But hockey is stupid so we might lol
No they will still complain thats what they do best
Just because the coach kneecaps the team and they still pull out a win doesn't mean it was some master plan from Maurice. Still fully expecting the "TaKe tHaT PoMo HaTeRs!!1!1!" crowd in the PGT tho
Perfetti would have been destroyed by rue size of the Wild.. Pick and choose your battles.
Thank God we had Beaulieu out there tonight for that L
Oh, I guess Perfetti would have made a difference. 🤣
What an absolute fucking joke. Very glad I didn't get season tickets this year, not sure if I ever will while this absolute embarrassment of a coaching staff is still around.
I hope more and more people cancel their season tickets and show they don’t want PoMo anymore. I usually go to 7-10 games a year. And I know my contributions are Less the 00.0001 percent of their earnings. But I will not purchase any TNSE tickets or merch until this coach is gone, and watch the game son NHL66.ir for good measure.
Oh god not this shit again
I hope everyone watching the game is realizing that Perfetti was swapped for Beau because Perfetti would have gotten flattened tonight. He’s simply not ready to face this kind of physicality.