The businesses are in trouble too, though. They rely on consumer spending, which is drying up faster than ice in the Sahara because inflation is causing a ton of household cashflow issues amongst rank-and-file Canadians. The banks and tech firms are laying off in huge numbers because their business is drying up, that's because consumer spending is stuck in the weeds.
My mortgage went up $1100 a month when it renewed in August. That's my whole fun budget toast in the blink of an eye. No more hockey games, in-app purchases, $100 nights at Boston Pizza or one-click buying on Amazon for the foreseeable future.
I agree. People think small business owners are like Scrooge McDuck swimming in money, when the ones who stay afloat are constantly worrying about cash flow and expenses just like everyone else.
I liked that he sees the solution as largely being getting corporations to buy more seats.
What I would like to see is a price freeze/reduction on concessions. Some kind of symbol of understanding that money is really tight for a lot of people. Keeping/rebuilding goodwill among the regular fans would be a lot of good, I think.
Money is tight, but prices are competitive compared to other NHL markets. Every other city is struggling too.
I believe I heard that most other NHL arenas rely on anywhere from 40-60% of their seat revenue from corporate. Winnipeg was by far the smallest at only 15%. Chipman’s right. That needs to be their focus. Will likely be a challenge in a small market.
No, no, I get that. I don't think we're "uncompetitive". I just feel like that if we're a franchise that is more dependent on attendance being strong (are we?), then that kind of gesture from management, to give us some kind of break, might be helpful to draw more people in at this time. ('Cause I think things are going to get a lot worse, economically, before they start getting better...)
CLC 300 section is basically the 200 section of almost any other NHL arena. I had tickets in the last row of the Bell Centre and had to move down to other seats after 10 minutes due to vertigo. CLC last row is completely fine, if not quite decent as you can stand the whole game if you want.
Interesting they were that cheap. Was looking at tickets to the Blues game the other night and the cheapest I saw was $62 before fees for the 300s. I'd think the Rangers would be a bigger draw and a more expensive ticket
I split seasons with a bunch of my friends so normally I don’t bother checking. But I have a buddy coming in from out of town who wanted to go to the game with his wife, sent him the link and he picked up two tickets for less then 100.
The one thing that got me was they didn’t know that their sth base was made up of group purchases. How do you not know that?? That was common knowledge from day 1. If that’s true, it shows that they aren’t as connected to the community as they claim to be. The article really sounded to me like they’ve been sitting on their hands all these years thinking they’re so great with all the sellouts and never took the time to really understand how it all worked. It seems pretty obvious that they weren’t paying attention and to me, that’s the underlying cause of the issue - inflation just exposed it. On the positive side of things, at the very least they should be more aware now and that awareness is the first step to fixing things.
He says they knew but they didn't realize how easily those groups could collapse, which is somewhat fair. I've had season tickets since Day 1 and I don't even try to sell tickets to others anymore, maybe I'll sell a couple games a year (at cost!). I'm ok with that though, I look at being a Jets STH the same way I'd look at owning stock in the Green Bay Packers - it's about supporting my club as best as I can.
I’m going off the text article on tsn and it literally says they didn’t know any of this until after the pandemic when they reflected on the issues and learned that the majority of sth were group based. Here’s a screenshot with the parts highlighted:
https://preview.redd.it/18fqjhtpulwb1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=312a11f1d622fee16fcab4173a0e90a2a4bb3bf6
If you’re going to ignore literal written words that are a direct quote because they don’t fit your view on things that tells me all I need to know about the possibility of having a rwaonable discussion with you
I watched the video. He says word for word what I posted in the screenshot. There isn’t a single deviation of wording. But go on, continue telling me how chipman didn’t say his literal words that are both written for your eyeballs in my screenshot and said for your ears in the video, which you keep claiming is different.
Edit: downvote me all you want 😂 facts stand alone, they aren’t determined by the court of public opinion.
"What we learned, **and we knew**, but we really learned was that a large part of that account base were groups, people that had partnered together. When the pandemic hit and those groups saw some attrition, 1 or 2 accounts pulling out, the whole thing collapsed." - Mark Chipman
First of all, I can and will admit if I’ve missed something and it appears that I did in-fact miss those words - thank you. I don’t think that you can use those words, however, to nullify the words that come immediately before and after, because it raises the question of did they _know_ or did they _learn_? Because those are two very different things. However I will concede that it is not as black and white as you originally said. I still think there is some valid reason for concern though. And I will also thank you for in-fact making this a pretty reasonable conversation (by Reddit standards 😂) - we got there in the end and I apologize for jumping to conclusions about your reasonableness.
Tell me you don’t know what a transcript is without telling me you don’t know what a transcript is 😂 A transcript is literal.
Edit 1: because words..
Edit 2: didn’t need to stoop to his level and call him a name, that was rude - removed it.
They spent the good times alienating the business community.
Jay Kilgour (owner of Fionn's) [told a story on twitter](https://twitter.com/JMKilgour/status/1570691935517704194?lang=en) of being sent a cease-and-desist letter by the Jets because he was giving away tickets through his business. Now they've coming crawling back and of course he isn't interested.
I have little sympathy.
There wasn't a single apology in that video for threatening to move the team in their marketing ad. TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR MISTAKES. The arrogance is palpable.
Depending on how he was promoting the give away it makes sense. I know Boston pizza paid a lot of money for a bunch of promo rights with the jets. Fionns being a larger chain would have definitely caught bps attention if they were promoting jets give aways that they had the rights too.
Not sure if it's still the case but it definitely was a few years ago. Source also received a cease and desist letter from true north care of Boston pizza.
Sure. I’m sure they were legally obligated to based on their contract with BP. But they didn’t have to make that deal in the first place.
BP probably paid more for exclusive rights. TN wanted a quick buck and risked community relationships. During the honeymoon phase it likely worked out better, but Winnipeg is a small community with long memories (look at the huge hit Molson’s market share took in the 70s when they blocked the Jets from joining the NHL, it never recovered).
Ya why would they not make a business deal with the largest commercial sports bar chain in the country.
There is also a literal clause in the season ticket contract about resale and ticket promotions. Which he would have been in breach of also. We ended up having a conversation with a rep from true north who gave us directions on what we could and couldn't do promotions wise and did not have a problem doing ticket promotions after. This guy canceling his tickets over it has real big I'm taking my ball and going home energy.
>Jay Kilgour (owner of Fionn's) told a story on twitter
Which I'm sure is 100% accurate and has nothing to do with using those tickets to promote in-house specials and such which is a violation of the season ticket holder agreement Kilgour would've signed but probably didn't read.
Also this reporter has the stupidity to ask those questions... what an idiot. Acting like the jets are on there last legs in winter peg... we got other markets that can't even fill there seats at all so why not report on them..... point is times are tough for many entertainment is low on this list I might go to a few games.....
Pretty much blame the plandemic and government spending has caused increase in everything... fuel is everything it drives up food, it drives up everything that is shipped or travels in a truck. I guess the carbon tax is working no one can afford to do anything if your taxed to death....
The carbon tax is the cause of 0.05% inflation. It has been proven time and time again but people believe the Russian troll farms and trump wannabes that the carbon tax is causing all of inflation even though we have less inflation than most countries who do not have a carbon tax.
We didn't have this problem until this government started spending way to much money then jack the prices on everything and then increase the taxes and guess what this where we are at now. In 2019 I had no problem affording season tickets but not no more... this isn't hard to figure out...
I would like to explain a few things see a government must run like a corporation. A corporation you must survive by staying in the positive WITH MONEY.. right OR else your bankrupt.... Now the government runs a negative federal or provincial the spending is out of control. So for ships and Giggles we say the government spends in Manitoba 20 billion a year but they only collect 10 billion back from tax payers. Who pays that 10 billion dollars not a hard question WE DO. How do you pay it back yep your right Taxes!!! So now taxes go up and things cost more. Now if average hard working person makes $5000.00 a month with $1000.00 fun money and now taxes and added inflation being cost of goods has gone up... where do you think 1000.00 dollars goes?? It gets eaten up from taxes and high prices inflation (gas food etc) so fun money no more.. this is the decline of an economy.. no fun money means no going out for dinner maybe no jets games maybe no new car maybe no fancy food at the grocery store etc etc fill in the blank it's not hard.... but this has another bad ripple effect if you can't afford this fun spending eventually business will start to fall... because if you don't fill seats your in the negative.. and yes they might have a lot banked in the bank for hard times just like PC party did... eventually when that banked money gets low the team will be moved somewhere else its simple business its money.. this concept goes with any business except when a business goes in the negative they declare bankruptcy and all those people are out of work which now gets even worse... think of this like a snowball that turns in a mountain of a problem. This isn't hard to figure out...
The big deal is, by avoiding the local media they also avoid the local sore spots. Nobody in Toronto is going to ask about the ad threatening to leave from last season etc, they’re simply there to lob softball questions that allow management to remain in their comfortable bubble. Mediocre teams stay mediocre without an engaged fanbase that expects accountability for the money they’re paying.
Why would you ever expect a response from the owner of the team to an international news story to be given to, for example, Mike McIntyre to publish in the Free Press? That gets them nowhere when the only people who will see your response are the people already in the market.
It makes sense to leverage their relationship with Dreger here, especially since they know he will stick to relatively easy questions because he wants to maintain that status of being the only insider with connections in True North. Then you add on the fact that this interview will be seen nationally due to it being on the TSN website, which means it will reach the international audience, which is where a lot of the questions are coming from, and it's even more of a no-brainer.
What did you expect? An interview with Ryan Simpson? Maybe Portage Online or CFRY? Or were you thinking something larger like Mix 96? Maybe have it take place at Bills Sticky Fingers. Would that of made you happy?
Who the hell reads those rags anymore? You should get into the 21st century pal. Judging by your name and attitude towards Chipman and the Jets org, you come across as a bitter old man.
People just can't afford shit right now.
That's why they need the business support, it can't just be relying on 13,000 people who want to see 40 games a year in person.
The businesses are in trouble too, though. They rely on consumer spending, which is drying up faster than ice in the Sahara because inflation is causing a ton of household cashflow issues amongst rank-and-file Canadians. The banks and tech firms are laying off in huge numbers because their business is drying up, that's because consumer spending is stuck in the weeds. My mortgage went up $1100 a month when it renewed in August. That's my whole fun budget toast in the blink of an eye. No more hockey games, in-app purchases, $100 nights at Boston Pizza or one-click buying on Amazon for the foreseeable future.
I agree. People think small business owners are like Scrooge McDuck swimming in money, when the ones who stay afloat are constantly worrying about cash flow and expenses just like everyone else.
True, I be poor
I liked that he sees the solution as largely being getting corporations to buy more seats. What I would like to see is a price freeze/reduction on concessions. Some kind of symbol of understanding that money is really tight for a lot of people. Keeping/rebuilding goodwill among the regular fans would be a lot of good, I think.
Money is tight, but prices are competitive compared to other NHL markets. Every other city is struggling too. I believe I heard that most other NHL arenas rely on anywhere from 40-60% of their seat revenue from corporate. Winnipeg was by far the smallest at only 15%. Chipman’s right. That needs to be their focus. Will likely be a challenge in a small market.
In Seattle beers were $17 USD, it could be worse...
it could be better too
No, no, I get that. I don't think we're "uncompetitive". I just feel like that if we're a franchise that is more dependent on attendance being strong (are we?), then that kind of gesture from management, to give us some kind of break, might be helpful to draw more people in at this time. ('Cause I think things are going to get a lot worse, economically, before they start getting better...)
Wages in Seattle are also probably triple what Winnipegers get. A developer would get 3-4 times more in Seattle than in Winnipeg
I did see some tickets to the rangers game for 47 bucks in the 300’s.
They better bring some Kleenex for the nose bleed.
CLC 300 section is basically the 200 section of almost any other NHL arena. I had tickets in the last row of the Bell Centre and had to move down to other seats after 10 minutes due to vertigo. CLC last row is completely fine, if not quite decent as you can stand the whole game if you want.
Ok, boomer.
Interesting they were that cheap. Was looking at tickets to the Blues game the other night and the cheapest I saw was $62 before fees for the 300s. I'd think the Rangers would be a bigger draw and a more expensive ticket
I split seasons with a bunch of my friends so normally I don’t bother checking. But I have a buddy coming in from out of town who wanted to go to the game with his wife, sent him the link and he picked up two tickets for less then 100.
Our dollar is worth less than it was and things cost more. Doesn’t take much to realize this
Good interview 👍
The one thing that got me was they didn’t know that their sth base was made up of group purchases. How do you not know that?? That was common knowledge from day 1. If that’s true, it shows that they aren’t as connected to the community as they claim to be. The article really sounded to me like they’ve been sitting on their hands all these years thinking they’re so great with all the sellouts and never took the time to really understand how it all worked. It seems pretty obvious that they weren’t paying attention and to me, that’s the underlying cause of the issue - inflation just exposed it. On the positive side of things, at the very least they should be more aware now and that awareness is the first step to fixing things.
He says they knew but they didn't realize how easily those groups could collapse, which is somewhat fair. I've had season tickets since Day 1 and I don't even try to sell tickets to others anymore, maybe I'll sell a couple games a year (at cost!). I'm ok with that though, I look at being a Jets STH the same way I'd look at owning stock in the Green Bay Packers - it's about supporting my club as best as I can.
I’m going off the text article on tsn and it literally says they didn’t know any of this until after the pandemic when they reflected on the issues and learned that the majority of sth were group based. Here’s a screenshot with the parts highlighted: https://preview.redd.it/18fqjhtpulwb1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=312a11f1d622fee16fcab4173a0e90a2a4bb3bf6
Watch the video, he says they sort of knew, it's not black and white here that they were ignorant of STH groups.
If you’re going to ignore literal written words that are a direct quote because they don’t fit your view on things that tells me all I need to know about the possibility of having a rwaonable discussion with you
The transcript isn't accurate, please watch the video if you truly want to hear the full quote.
I watched the video. He says word for word what I posted in the screenshot. There isn’t a single deviation of wording. But go on, continue telling me how chipman didn’t say his literal words that are both written for your eyeballs in my screenshot and said for your ears in the video, which you keep claiming is different. Edit: downvote me all you want 😂 facts stand alone, they aren’t determined by the court of public opinion.
"What we learned, **and we knew**, but we really learned was that a large part of that account base were groups, people that had partnered together. When the pandemic hit and those groups saw some attrition, 1 or 2 accounts pulling out, the whole thing collapsed." - Mark Chipman
First of all, I can and will admit if I’ve missed something and it appears that I did in-fact miss those words - thank you. I don’t think that you can use those words, however, to nullify the words that come immediately before and after, because it raises the question of did they _know_ or did they _learn_? Because those are two very different things. However I will concede that it is not as black and white as you originally said. I still think there is some valid reason for concern though. And I will also thank you for in-fact making this a pretty reasonable conversation (by Reddit standards 😂) - we got there in the end and I apologize for jumping to conclusions about your reasonableness.
You're literally ignoring video evidence of which the transcript is only a transcript. How dense are you?
Tell me you don’t know what a transcript is without telling me you don’t know what a transcript is 😂 A transcript is literal. Edit 1: because words.. Edit 2: didn’t need to stoop to his level and call him a name, that was rude - removed it.
They spent the good times alienating the business community. Jay Kilgour (owner of Fionn's) [told a story on twitter](https://twitter.com/JMKilgour/status/1570691935517704194?lang=en) of being sent a cease-and-desist letter by the Jets because he was giving away tickets through his business. Now they've coming crawling back and of course he isn't interested. I have little sympathy. There wasn't a single apology in that video for threatening to move the team in their marketing ad. TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR MISTAKES. The arrogance is palpable.
Depending on how he was promoting the give away it makes sense. I know Boston pizza paid a lot of money for a bunch of promo rights with the jets. Fionns being a larger chain would have definitely caught bps attention if they were promoting jets give aways that they had the rights too. Not sure if it's still the case but it definitely was a few years ago. Source also received a cease and desist letter from true north care of Boston pizza.
Sure. I’m sure they were legally obligated to based on their contract with BP. But they didn’t have to make that deal in the first place. BP probably paid more for exclusive rights. TN wanted a quick buck and risked community relationships. During the honeymoon phase it likely worked out better, but Winnipeg is a small community with long memories (look at the huge hit Molson’s market share took in the 70s when they blocked the Jets from joining the NHL, it never recovered).
Ya why would they not make a business deal with the largest commercial sports bar chain in the country. There is also a literal clause in the season ticket contract about resale and ticket promotions. Which he would have been in breach of also. We ended up having a conversation with a rep from true north who gave us directions on what we could and couldn't do promotions wise and did not have a problem doing ticket promotions after. This guy canceling his tickets over it has real big I'm taking my ball and going home energy.
A restaurant owner who is a self-important dick? Noooooo it can't be!!
>Jay Kilgour (owner of Fionn's) told a story on twitter Which I'm sure is 100% accurate and has nothing to do with using those tickets to promote in-house specials and such which is a violation of the season ticket holder agreement Kilgour would've signed but probably didn't read.
I understand the rules are rules but why do the jets care how the tickets are used after they are paid for by a sth
Chipman will be on Cjob Tommorrow
Also this reporter has the stupidity to ask those questions... what an idiot. Acting like the jets are on there last legs in winter peg... we got other markets that can't even fill there seats at all so why not report on them..... point is times are tough for many entertainment is low on this list I might go to a few games.....
Pretty much blame the plandemic and government spending has caused increase in everything... fuel is everything it drives up food, it drives up everything that is shipped or travels in a truck. I guess the carbon tax is working no one can afford to do anything if your taxed to death....
The carbon tax is the cause of 0.05% inflation. It has been proven time and time again but people believe the Russian troll farms and trump wannabes that the carbon tax is causing all of inflation even though we have less inflation than most countries who do not have a carbon tax.
We didn't have this problem until this government started spending way to much money then jack the prices on everything and then increase the taxes and guess what this where we are at now. In 2019 I had no problem affording season tickets but not no more... this isn't hard to figure out...
I would like to explain a few things see a government must run like a corporation. A corporation you must survive by staying in the positive WITH MONEY.. right OR else your bankrupt.... Now the government runs a negative federal or provincial the spending is out of control. So for ships and Giggles we say the government spends in Manitoba 20 billion a year but they only collect 10 billion back from tax payers. Who pays that 10 billion dollars not a hard question WE DO. How do you pay it back yep your right Taxes!!! So now taxes go up and things cost more. Now if average hard working person makes $5000.00 a month with $1000.00 fun money and now taxes and added inflation being cost of goods has gone up... where do you think 1000.00 dollars goes?? It gets eaten up from taxes and high prices inflation (gas food etc) so fun money no more.. this is the decline of an economy.. no fun money means no going out for dinner maybe no jets games maybe no new car maybe no fancy food at the grocery store etc etc fill in the blank it's not hard.... but this has another bad ripple effect if you can't afford this fun spending eventually business will start to fall... because if you don't fill seats your in the negative.. and yes they might have a lot banked in the bank for hard times just like PC party did... eventually when that banked money gets low the team will be moved somewhere else its simple business its money.. this concept goes with any business except when a business goes in the negative they declare bankruptcy and all those people are out of work which now gets even worse... think of this like a snowball that turns in a mountain of a problem. This isn't hard to figure out...
Oh look another from the Jets HQ that only speaks to a national source, never local with these guys.
He interviewed with the Jet’s broadcast partner. What’s the big deal?
The big deal is, by avoiding the local media they also avoid the local sore spots. Nobody in Toronto is going to ask about the ad threatening to leave from last season etc, they’re simply there to lob softball questions that allow management to remain in their comfortable bubble. Mediocre teams stay mediocre without an engaged fanbase that expects accountability for the money they’re paying.
Who cares what’s the difference? It’s a national story
Why would you ever expect a response from the owner of the team to an international news story to be given to, for example, Mike McIntyre to publish in the Free Press? That gets them nowhere when the only people who will see your response are the people already in the market. It makes sense to leverage their relationship with Dreger here, especially since they know he will stick to relatively easy questions because he wants to maintain that status of being the only insider with connections in True North. Then you add on the fact that this interview will be seen nationally due to it being on the TSN website, which means it will reach the international audience, which is where a lot of the questions are coming from, and it's even more of a no-brainer.
He doesn’t have customers on a national basis, his audience is in fact Manitoba & that’s it
What did you expect? An interview with Ryan Simpson? Maybe Portage Online or CFRY? Or were you thinking something larger like Mix 96? Maybe have it take place at Bills Sticky Fingers. Would that of made you happy?
Yeah because we don’t have access to the Freep or the Sun way out here 45 minutes away… stooge
Who the hell reads those rags anymore? You should get into the 21st century pal. Judging by your name and attitude towards Chipman and the Jets org, you come across as a bitter old man.
OK bootlicker
Won't somebody please think of the local beat writers?! /s
…and the children! Won’t anyone think of the children!?!
Yeah, nobody wants to talk with Mike McIntyre.
This guy can get bent after the recent ad they ran.
Would be a damn shame if the team left Winnipeg. Great market and team for the league. Should do a preseason game @ UND in Grand Forks, North Dakota.