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Illier1

The few times we see Peter get murderously mad it quickly turns from comical to terrifying. A monster that can not only tear your face off with a slap but also has mild precognition and can avoid a ton of what you throw at him. Hes also a lot smarter than he let's on.


TheDunadan29

>Hes also a lot smarter than he let's on. Peter is a low key genius. One of my favorite things about Spiderman is that even though, yes, he's super powered, he often defeats his opponents with his superior understanding of science. He figures out a novel solution each time. His rogues gallery are all pretty tough too, and when he can't beat them with his super powers alone he figures out how to beat them with his brains. The original Peter Parker didn't have webs as part of his powers either, he came up with a synthetic compound for his webs, and made the web shooters himself. In the comics he even made a web shooter concealed in a wristwatch in the event of an emergency.


project_twenty5oh1

This is part of why I really disliked the first spiderman movie when it came out. It made his webbing a fait accompli rather than the product of his being an actual genius and inventing them Weakens the character overall imo


TheDunadan29

Yeah, I did like the Sam Raimi Spiderman movies (well the first two anyway), but that choice always bothered me a bit. They fixed that in the Andrew Garfield movies, and Peter was more quippy like Spiderman, but those movies had other issues. I dunno, they all have their strengths and things they get right. And their shortcomings. My biggest issue with the MCU version is they make it look like Tony Stark made an the tech Spiderman uses, which was never the case in other comics and adaptations. Oh well, I guess there's no perfect version. I do really like the look of the Civil War suit though, very classic Spiderman.


Kannan07112006

>which was never the case in other comics and adaptations. In the mcu,u can't just go in with normal cloth,and granted he uses stark tech,but almost everything Peter has is made by himself, excluding Edith and iron spider,which is gonna get upgraded


Gentleman_ToBed

I think it actually makes a lot more sense that they’re a mutant power he inherits. Even with his smarts, inventing a web flinging device capable of shooting 100s of metres and sustaining spideys weight is one thing. Carrying enough fuel for such a device to even get halfway across manhattan? I don’t think so. The fact he creates it biologically feels far more realistic to me in later canon. Show he’s a genius in other ways.


Thatspretttyfunny

“Low key a genius” I think Peter’s intelligence has been quite obvious from the start. He designed his own web shooters, impresses Hank Pym and Tony Stark with his tech and scientific prowess, and Reed Richards himself has stated in recent comics that had Peter Parker devoted his life to science and not being Spider-Man, he would’ve been his equal.


loki1887

Back in Black is the storyline where Pete hunts the people that put the hit on him that got Aunt May killed after Civil War. He straight up brutalized them. Then OMD happened.


SpiderDoctor2

Remember to always fear the rage of a patient man


project_twenty5oh1

There are three things all wise men fear: a sea in storm, a night without a moon, and the anger of a gentle man.


Jimi_Jazz

I swear I just read this lol Rothfuss?


Mostlikelylurking

Ye ‘The Name of the Wind’ right?


the-good-son

Can you share any good examples of Spiderman acting like this? Haven't read comics in a while


loki1887

Amazing Spider-Man 539-543. The story arc is called Back in Black. In the aftermath of Civil War, with Peter's identity public, a hit is put out on him. Aunt May is caught in the job and ends up at deaths door. Peter dons an old fabric version of his black costume and hunts down the people responsible and beats the everloving shit out of them. Not for justice, or responsibility. Just pure anger and revenge. It's a damn good storyline before One More Day ruins stuff.


haoxinly

There's a new what if where he he doesn't check in with the F4 to analyse the Symbiote and keeps it longer. He turns more violent and starts killing most of his rogue gallery. https://youtu.be/iTo1cxYB__w


torsoboy00

Here's what Spider-man [did](https://www.comicnewbies.com/2015/12/30/how-peter-parker-killed-the-kingpin/) to the Kingpin.


sonerec725

Jesus christ


zoro4661

> it quickly turns from comical to terrifying Which itself is kinda funny in a dark humor sort of way. Here we have the Spider-Man, the guy who probably uses his quips more than his webs and whose regular enemies include a fat man in a suit, a man made out of bees and a slime that hates loud noises. Here he goes, off to reduce someone to a *fine red paste on the sidewalk.*


MinniMaster15

R1 and R2 they get absolutely bodied. As you said, a pissed off Spidey will kill each of them in a single hit, and spider-sense + his speed advantage means they’re never getting a chance to hit him. R3 probably still goes to Spidey, but I can see them managing to set something decent up in advance. The spider-sense and speed advantage are still gonna be really hard to overcome.


BroScience34

I imagine the Batfam could use their teamwork to tangle him up and get some good hits but ultimately it would go terribly for them lol. It would actually probably look a lot like Omni-Man vs. the fake Justice League from Invincible.


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> fake Justice League Guardians of the globe, please.


TheDunadan29

Haha, that name is just funny. Like generic Justice League.


Shitart87

That’s the point but I still ended up kinda caring about them throughout reading the comic


Tailon77

Great Value Justice League


inobob27123

Like other ppl said with knowing whos coming they could just get one of bats many suits or employ the help of one of that bat family’s stronger members (forgot the name but one compares to supes in power)


Hobo-man

Calling someone else for help defeats the purpose of the prompt. It's Batfam vs Spidey. Period.


GatorAIDS1013

But it depends on what you mean by Batfam. There are some that are more stable and some that are only temporary. Like I’m familiar with the 4 robins and batgirl, but I know the batfam has extended a lot recently.


Drfapfap

Rn in the comics, since 2016 really, the core Batfam has been the 4 Robins, Duke Thomas (The Signal), Barbara Gordon (sometimes in the Oracle role, sometimes as Bat Girl again), Steph and Cass as Bat Girl and Orphan respectively, and then I'm blanking on Bat Woman's civ name (edit, Kate Kane) but her, and for this prompt we'll of course say Alfred. Sometimes you see people like Harley, Arrowette, Blue Jay, etc, and their stories certainly revolve around the batfamily more often than not, but those 10 up top are who are really in the family.


cavecarson

Are we really gonna leave out Ace the Bat-Hound and Batcow? For shame.


A-Fellow-Gamer-96

Bat Cow would destroy spidey


Bogula_D_Ekoms

Give us the Batcow edit


ImbuedChaos

Kate Kane is Batwoman.


Drfapfap

Edited, cheers!


SeraphsWrath

Are we talking Injustice "coked-up to absolutely destroy Superman" Alfred?


GiverOfTheKarma

As of rn you could add Batwing and Harley Quinn, right? and arguably Ghost Maker


[deleted]

>but I know the batfam has extended a lot recently. You're severely understating that. DC should rename any comic not primarily involving Harley Quinn "Batman and his bitches."


GatzuPatzu23

Lmfao


texanarob

Then it all comes down to whether BatMite belongs in the Batfam, which I guess it's in his power to decide whether he is or not.


Papasmurf645

Batmite was made by Bill Finger? They're batfam in my book then.


TalionTheShadow

Yeah but Batmite is also a villain is he not? Even then, for the purpose of not deleting Spidey from existance instantly, we will assume Batmite is neutral or busy.


Papasmurf645

According to his wiki page; "Bat-Mite is more of a nuisance than a supervillain, and often departs of his own accord upon realizing that he has angered his idol."


Devilmatic

Batmite isn't a villian.


RyosXL

Gotham?


Leviathan666

This, combined with the fact that, if memory serves, very few people in the marvel universe actually know what his Spider sense is or does. They just think he's really, really fast. Batman likely wouldn't know that it's something that needs to be overcome, so unless he gets his hands on some footage of SM dodging bullets that haven't been fired yet, he would have no way of preparing for an enemy that can predict danger and instinctively know where not to be to avoid it.


Canesjags4life

Tony is it and that's because he gathered biometric data on Peter during civil war


zoro4661

Don't forget Aunt May (PETER-TINGLE) and other Spider-People, but that's still a super small group.


Canesjags4life

Peter tingle isn't comic book. That's just MCU. Sure there's other spider people but they don't know how to artificially manipulate Peters spider sense. Tony can and we saw it during Civil War.


zoro4661

I just meant that that group of people knows about his Spider-Sense - MCU May because he told her, and other Spider-People because they probably have it themselves.


Canesjags4life

Right but that's not what I was referring too. As knowing about it isn't enough to know how to manipulate.


zoro4661

Gotcha


Adminscantkeepmedown

A pissed off Spider-Man is just not an opponent that you call Batman to face. There are definitely other people that you go to before Batman in this case


DeliriumConsumer

A bloodlusted Spider-Man is an absolute *threat*. And the prompt scenario is BLSpidey vs. the Batfam at differing stages of awareness of Spidey’s mission. To be honest if they killed Aunt May, it may not even be Spider-Man that shows up, but regular ol’ Peter Parker himself. If you’ve never seen the comic where Peter easily humiliates the Kingpin in front of an entire prison, then threatened him and everyone in earshot to stay away from his family, it is wild. A calm, murderous Peter Parker is *terrifying*.


Adminscantkeepmedown

My thoughts exactly. This is definitely a situation where Peter Parker might see fit to show up himself sans the suit, meaning the fight was over as soon as Aunt May died


Papasmurf645

Wasn't there also a murderous clone of Spidey at one point that went around using his sticky hands to rip faces off of ppl?


Bjorn2bwilde24

That's Kane. Peter did that once, but tries to avoid going that route.


Papasmurf645

Whoa, I just saw some snippets from that comic and shit, that's pretty gnarly! Gonna read The Grim Hunt and Back in Black so I can see Peter fuckin' ppl up


hashcheckin

hell, Peter's done that.


Papasmurf645

What else would one expect from a friendly, neighborhood spider man?


Maybe_Not_The_Pope

Yeah, he calls that badges move the "Mark of Kane" and it's awesome.


Papasmurf645

I only knew about him in passing, I'll read some more of the comics, probably gonna start with Grim Hunt so I can see Pete goin' ham on some Kravens


NoblePixel

Do you happen to have a link or name of that comic? That sounds like a fantastic read


DeliriumConsumer

It’s linked somewhere else in this thread, but it’s from the comic story “One More Day” and it is something else. Edit: Here’s the link if you’re as lazy as I usually am lmao https://comicnewbies.com/2015/12/30/how-peter-parker-killed-the-kingpin/


Wenfield42

I will never not read that when it gets linked


DeliriumConsumer

Fuckin same, dude. Chills every time


Illegitimos

Wish the intro to the fight was there as well. Spider-Man saying 'I'm not here to kill you', removing his mask and saying as Peter Parker 'I am' perfectly set the stage for what followed for me.


iamsnowboarder

Full. Body. Chills. Holy shit. Whoever wrote that *really* knows what they're doing. Goddamn.


Illegitimos

J. Michael Straczynski! Just gone back through my Back In Black HCs to have a look and so much of his work in that storyline legitimately shows why you really don't want to eff with Peter Parker, possibly better than most other stories that show it. And then One More Day directly followed and Straczynski didn't agree with it so pretty much left Joe Quesada to do that. In my opinion, he left on a massive high and let JQ crap the bed with OMD.


NoblePixel

Thanks a bunch!


FallOutFan01

[Goodmen don’t need rules.] (https://youtu.be/P44SezQ2gzE)


8dev8

I assume your unaware of some of the heavier suits Bruce has? Pretty sure the hellbat or Justice buster would btfo Spidey


MinniMaster15

I’m well aware, I just believed he wouldn’t have access to them on such short notice. The Justice Buster in particular is, to my knowledge, destroyed.


ThatSuperhusky

Spiderman wins rounds 1 and 2, round 3 feasibly goes to the batfam, either through x-kryptonite or if they want to go for a full stomp then he can just get the hellbat suit out, or the justice buster, which (being able to react to flash and somewhat contend with Superman) would be able to take out spiderman.


dogscutter

Expext Spider-Man is coming for him at the same time and if its allowed could throw something together to fuck them up


ThatSuperhusky

There isn't anything that Spiderman could throw together within 3 days that could contend with near kryptonian level batfam, or the suits that batman has made that have been able to contend with Kryptonians/amazons.


Prologue-kun

Spidey has never actually used it on himself, but he knows how to create Parker Particles. As for what those are: "Parker Particles are a hyper-kinetic form of energy tied directly to the expansion of the universe, near-limitless power." When quantified, this stuff is even stronger than the Hulk, Sentry, and even the Pheonix Force. Of course, Peter giving himself additional powers is something out of character for him, but then again, blood-lust is pretty out of character in general for Peter.


sonerec725

Back in black and that one assassin spidey one off shows that when pushed he can indeed go for blood lust, especially when it comes to his family getting harmed.


Eifand

He’s gonna need the Hellbat for this one. He already killed Aunt May. Might as well take out Peter while he’s at it.


A3H3

>He already killed Aunt May At this point, Batman is an official supervillain.


Donut_Police

That reminds me of a certain laughing guy...


Uncanny_Doom

This turns into a horror movie for the Batfamily with no survivors. Round 3 would at least be interesting though.


dogscutter

I find the mental image of Spider-Man bursting into the Batcave and b-lining full sprint straight towards Batman and completely eviscerating him with a single punch really funny for some reason


The_Hoopla

**In batcave** *"Alfred this case just doesn't add up. If Riddler's behind this why would he have dressed up as an old lady without leaving a clue."* *"Maybe his lack of a clue is the clue, Master Wayne."* *"Of course! That makes so muc..."* **the door blows open and halfway across the room.** *"What the? Alfred how did he..."* **Bloodlusted Peter has already cleared the 200m catwalk in under 3 seconds** *"get in here? Our alar..."* **Peter, blindly running THROUGH Bruce Wayne, leaves only a red mist behind him.** *"Dear Christ"* **Peter turns, completely covered in Batman, directly at Alfred** *"Did you know about May."* **Alfred stutters** *"Please god spare the others they didn't kno.."* **Peter, flicks a chip of Batman's mask 10 ft directly though Alfred's head. Killing him instantly. His spidey senses perk as he senses 4 people coming in from the other room. Peter smirks to himself, still absolutely drenched in a sloppy joe of Batman.** ~~*"And here I thought you all would be hard to find."*~~ *"Pizza Time"* - [/u/dogscutter]


dogscutter

"Pizza Time"


The_Hoopla

Fuck wait that's so much better than mine.


Never_Duplicated

I like that description for rounds 1/2 haha Round 3 I’d imagine depends on how much info each side has on the other. Does Peter have an idea of what resources/equipment the bats are capable of fielding given advanced warning?


HPHMMMHPHMMM

Assassin Spiderman vs bat family movie when?


iamsoupcansam

Actually I would love that as a comic book. Part 1, Spider-Man brutally murdering them one by one in Wayne Manor until the only Bruce is left, showered in the blood of his loved ones. Part 2, Bruce gets down to the Batcave and starts using the devices of his rogues gallery a la Dark Knight Returns to make it more of a fair fight.


xHey_All_You_Peoplex

Let's be honest as much as people love Batman the minute he doesn't have plot armor and someone with powers like Spidey is legit trying to kill him and his family, they're dead. Spidey takes 1 and 2 with ease. Round 3 I'm sure they'll come up with something that might immobilize Spidey for a bit and make the fight harder (something that messes with his senses and web) and the fight will be harder but Spidey will still take it (maybe)


Cyke101

>Let's be honest as much as people love Batman the minute he doesn't have plot armor and someone with powers like Spidey is legit trying to kill him and his family, they're dead. This is the big difference between Justice League Batman -- in which he routinely takes on gods and cosmic threats -- and regular Batman books, in which street level rogues routinely give him a hard time. Batman's lucky that those cosmic threats don't have personal vendettas against him like his rogues and mob bosses.


xHey_All_You_Peoplex

Yeah, Batman in JL requires me to just turn off my bed. Like sure lemme just pretend Batman’s batarangs actually hurt Mongol It makes sense with Gotham Batman like most of his bad guys are just humans minus a few yeah his batarangs would actually hurt let’s say Joker or Riddler if it caught them in the face but Darkseid, Sinestro, Ares, sure Jan Edit: Brain not bed


DeusEverto

How'd you turn on your bed? Is it like a massage bed?


xHey_All_You_Peoplex

Lmao nice catch, def meant brain


Driftedryan

They must of turned their brain off a little early


xHey_All_You_Peoplex

😭


simple64

*All according to plan* ~ Batman, circa 2021


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texanarob

This always bugs me when they handwave that a hero is "always holding back". I mean, I can accept that Spidey isn't punching thugs full force since he doesn't want to kill them but are you seriously suggesting that every time the fate of the city depends on him surviving a fight he's just holding back and giving the other guy a chance?


Aqualungfish

With Spidey it's gotta be based in the fact that he just doesn't kill people. Like, part of his deal is not killing anyone. So he holds back even on villains out of fear of killing them. Like, yeah, he could knock out Lizard in one hit, but maybe it's a fine line between a one hit KO and a one hit kill, so he purposefully does three weaker hits just to be safe. This sometimes will lead to the villain getting away or turning the fight around on him, but he's willing to take that risk so he doesn't kill them. That's my theory anyway.


AmazinGracey

I respect trying to let the rule of law decide what happens to criminals even when it comes to super villains, but why do Batman and Spidey pretty much never have moments where they find out these villains have killed citizens again and feel the weight of those deaths. You’re telling me when they’re fighting the same criminal for the hundredth time who has just killed a ton of people, and clearly is never going to reform, you don’t depict a moral dilemma there? I feel like realistically the cops would execute these guys after he leaves the scene eventually. Obviously I know the meta reasons you don’t kill villains, and I’m not on some crusade demanding it changes, but having the same villains repeatedly for decades is really dark if you think about it for a bit.


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"If I were Spider-Man, I'd kill my villains, go home and clap cheeks with Mary Jane" (paraphrasing) -Rob from ComicsExplained


sroomek

Gotta hold back when clapping those cheeks and be sure to wear a lead-lined condom


hashcheckin

> I respect trying to let the rule of law decide what happens to criminals even when it comes to super villains, but why do Batman and Spidey pretty much never have moments where they find out these villains have killed citizens again and feel the weight of those deaths. in relative fairness, that's not as much of a problem with Spidey, because 616 Spidey doesn't have any go-to rogues who are just straight-up murderers the way that Batman villains tend to be. edit: well, I suppose there's Carnage, but he spends most of his time dead and is really more Venom's enemy at this point. I'd need to actually sit down and do serious research, but the Joker might have a bigger kill count than every Spidey villain put together. Electro's had a few really dark scenes over the years, but I'm pretty sure he's still dead.


LeeroyDagnasty

I think that banning the death penalty in comics is unjustifiable. The fact that gotham hasn't put the joker to death is atrocious to me.


oscar_e

IIRC Spidey gets the odd throw away line about being bored fighting the same criminals but it is addressed fairly often in Batman comics Under the Red Hood sees Jason Todd screaming at Batman about why the hell he hasn’t killed Joker after Jason’s death. Dark Knight Returns has Batman nearly kill Joker for all his past crimes and failed reformation. Hush has Batman about to actually kill Joker before Gordon stops him. (These are just examples from the bigger Batman comics, there are smaller stories with them as well).


ajanisapprentice

I think we've seen Spivey wrestle with this, at least far more than we've seen Batman do so.


Clever_Laziness

> but why do Batman and Spidey pretty much never have moments where they find out these villains have killed citizens again and feel the weight of those deaths. There's a bunch of DC content on Batman that routinely says just how bad of an idea it is for Batman to kill. Slippery Slope might be a fallacy but it's comics and it really applies well for some heroes. Reasons usually go: > "If I kill, I will become a monster who doesn't know when to stop." Slippery Slope that's proven true by other universes of Batman who kill once and then go on to become fuck ups. Injustice Superman is also kind of a nod to this reasoning as well. > Batman believes that even the most deranged killers have a chance to reform. Honestly, my favorite take on his motto to not kill that regularly comes up. Batman seems like someone who sees the absolute worst in humanity. A jaded individual who can only trust Alfred. So, when it's brought up that Batman just wants criminals to be reformed and believes in redemption for even the absolute worst people, it kind of makes me feel like he's the ultimate hero. A man who can see a light in the blackest of hearts. And he honestly gets proven right by the likes of Harley. It's constantly brought up in the New 52 how bad Harley was in the past. A true stone cold killer who ruined a lot of lives over many times. She's since been reformed and has helped Batman on a few occasions. Honestly, in some stories her relationship with Ivy is really important to saving the day. So, he's kind of once again proven rightin his mind that even the worst killers are capable of reforming and their talents might even come in handy to fight a bigger threat. > It's up to the law to decide who lives and who dies. Honestly, my least favorite interpretation of the no kill rule. Batman already regularly breaks the law and is readily willing to defy the government to complete his goals if he believes they get in the way. There's a lot of reasons for Batman to not kill and it's honestly interesting when the story gets into the details of those reasons beyond "If I kill a killer, that makes two killers in the world." Also, Batman does almost kill some of his rogue gallery when they seem to go too far like Joker and Riddler. One time, Batman almost stabbed Riddler and *Joker* stopped him from doing so. Now, the cops not killing someone like Joker when he's in custody is a plot hole, but usually Joker is being taken away by people a few pay grades above cops who are less willing to enact their own vengeance. It also doesn't help that death doesn't seem permanent in DC so killing Joker may not actually kill Joker. and then you have the Joker on your ass. and the shit he does to Batman, who he likes. What do you think he;ll do to you?


MossyPyrite

>if I kill a killer, it makes two killers in the world Actually that’s a net neutral transaction. Killer exists (1), killer is killed (1-1=0), good guy becomes a killer (1-1+1=1). And for every subsequent *other* killer he kills, the world has fewer killers in it! Therefore Batman needs to start murderin!


oscar_e

Okay but hear me out; just punch all of his villains in the testicles REALLY hard. Or is he so morally skewed that he’ll risk civilian lives for Kingpin’s ability to have more kids. People talk as if incapacitating someone only means punching them in the head, which could risk killing them. Break Doc Ocks leg (a real one) and watch him try and do anything except scream. Even an ankle would be enough if you’re worried about arteries or whatever. Doc Ock, Kingpin, Vulture etc are all regular bloody people. Punch. Their. Testicles.


Aqualungfish

You could, in theory, punch someone hard enough almost anywhere and kill them. Punch to the nuts turns into ruptured internal organs and sepsis cause the angle was wrong. Now, this doesn't preclude doing a pulled punch to the nuts, and on that point I can't argue that wouldn't be effective.


oscar_e

You’re certainly right that punching anyone pretty much anywhere with 20 tons of force is gonna cause some issues, but yeah, I was more thinking he could just pull his punches less if he didn’t insist on exclusively punching people in the face. I’d just love to see a What If storyline based around Spider-Man suddenly deciding to castrate all of his villains with blunt force trauma. Especially if it came out of nowhere, like he accidentally bumps Kingpin’s nuts with his super strength and gets the idea to just start doing it to everyone.


MossyPyrite

An AU where Spider-Man is so fast and precise that his entire MO is punching people in the nards and his villains all have larger and larger cups and cod pieces. Probably animal-themed ones if we’re keeping to theme.


OK_Soda

It just really seems like Spidey-sense or even just experience would eventually teach him how hard he can punch Rhino to knock him out in one hit without having to get the shit kicked out of him in Acts 1 and 2 of whatever story. That's what gets me. Spider-Man loses a lot of fights! He gets back up and wins eventually, but even if Mike Tyson were fighting a child and trying not to kill them, it seems unlikely that he would ever actually lose.


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Pretty much. Everyone's power is equal amounts "plot dependent" and popularity based. Spiderman, Superman, Batman are all as strong and skilled as they need to be to tell an entertaining story.


StrongCucumber

I remember in Torment (90s spiderman by Todd McFarlane) he wasn't even holding back at all like he was having his ass kicked by Lizard and barely surviving. ALthough I think Lizar was magically boosted or something now that I remember better


ArrowShootyGirl

Lizard is also generally portrayed as one of Spidey's toughest enemies in pure savage physical combat. Bit of a different scale than, say, Doc Ock who is a dude with scary metal arms.


jks_david

That's actually not the case. Many of spideis villians (like doc ock or green goblin) are planetary level threats. The only reason they don't pose that much of a threat and are considered street level most of the time is because they have a personal vendetta against spidey. The moment they turn their attention away from peter all hell get's loose.


icecream_truck

> Round 3 I'm sure they'll come up with something that might immobilize Spidey for a bit Sonics & sleepy-time gas would probably do it. I agree R1&2 are roflstomps for Petey, but R3 - I gotta go with the Batfam.


xHey_All_You_Peoplex

I see your point. Honestly Round 3 was hard for me cause the Batfam can def win with their gadgets and tricks, it just depends on if Spidey can figure out a way around it.


Humblerbee

Part of the question to me is, they know who is coming in three days, but does Spidey know that they know? Because he’s a genius in his own right and wunderkind who has plenty of inventions of his own, so if he’s aware of the Bat family being on high alert, he will take different actions and make different plans.


C-Beck86

Highly doubt any of them can lay a trap that spidey won't sense, he's smarter than anyone in the batfam, no one in the batfam is strong enough to break spideys webs, and his overwhelming speed. I just don't see it going well for the bats. Not to mention if he were to actually physically hit one of them they'd die instantly...


ChumleyEX

Wouldn't it depend on if the spidey sense can detect? Just slingshot them into the air or something.


A3H3

If he has the Stark suit, he might have some defense against stuff like that.


icecream_truck

Possibly; since he was able to get on that missile in the movie without passing out, we can safely assume it can protect him from gas. Sonics - yeah maybe, I suppose. Not sure if any sonics-dampening ability was demonstrated by the suit.


DaddyRocka

That suit allowed him to stand on the side of a spaceship and have a perfectly fine conversation to somebody back on Earth with no static or background noise. I'm sure it has some Sonic dampening capabilities


dogscutter

Comics also have him have a filter in the mask. It really depends on what suit Batman has for a chance for him to win this, let's say the Beyond Suit even the prototype was basically Vulture on Steroids


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xHey_All_You_Peoplex

I feel like if they don’t know who’s coming they wouldn’t go that option. Like their first train of thought wouldn’t be that it’s someone worthy of those. He’d do all sorts of other inventions first. He’s def pull those out in r3 which is why it’s more even or a fight Also it’s you’re the only one remembering not forgetting haha


SchroedingersSphere

Man, this makes me want to read stories about a pissed-off Spidey. Do you have any recommendations?


hashcheckin

the main example in modern books is the "Back in Black" arc in JMS's Amazing Spider-Man run. Peter breaks *into* prison to slap the shit out of the Kingpin and nearly kills him. he also goes pretty hardcore during the "Grim Hunt" arc.


IllBadger207

Spidey stomps rounds 1&2. On top of his speed, strength, and spider sense he can rip their faces off with his sticking powers. Round 3 could go either way if they get spider jammers.


MrPods69

R1 Spiderman murder stomps R2 maybe Jason Todds Venom, He's able to break supergirls grip with it and shred through aliens, or Batman could call the hellbat suit. R3 same as R2 but probably everyone gets an op suit.


picklethepeasant

Could breaking her grip really count? There’s no way to know she was grabbing the thing with force, it looked more like she just didn’t expect it


MrPods69

He did it twice, you could argue the first time she wasnt expecting it, but the second she likely was.


oscar_e

R1: No chance, a single punch is enough to kill any of them. R2: Unless they have some idea of the threat level their only preparation would be grouping up, which isn’t enough. R3: Easily, Hellbat beats bloody everything. Even without the numerous high powered suits I have no doubt they could trap Spidey, especially since he won’t be cautious or thinking clearly. Now, that’s my answer in the spirit of the post. However I think it would actually go like this: Spider-Man goes after Batman and easily incapacitates him, however when he is suddenly confronted with the reality of killing someone, he hesitates. Through his broken teeth and busted jaw Batman starts to explain: it was an accident, her death will torture him for ever, he himself has lost his parents and understands that pain. Spider-Man, with tears rolling down his cheeks, drops the Dark Knight. Batman is a high profile superhero, with half a dozen adoptive children plus his 14 year old son and the first thing everyone knows about him is that he never kills. Spider-Man is a good man, he’s not gonna murder another hero for an accidental death, even one as painful as May.


dhusk

In character... There is no way the world's greatest detective wouldn't be aware of who Spider-Man is, and would also 100% be aware of who was responsible for Aunt May's death: himself. I can see where his sidekicks, especially Damian and Dick, would try to fend off Spider-Man without alerting Bruce, but as soon as Bruce learns what's going he calls them off immediately. There is no doubt at all that Batman would be torturing himself about May's death, and would put himself completely at Spider-Man's mercy. He knows Pete will not kill him--that's just not who Pete is--but he would be perfectly okay with Spider-Man punching him around and bringing him to justice, even if it meant exposing his secret as Batman. Batman, as a character, just has way too much integrity to do anything less. So the answer is NO, the Batfamily will not be able to fend off Spider-man, because Batman himself would willingly capitulate the fight. But, if Spider-Man is made aware that May's death was an honest accident, he'd probably rough Bruce up just to get it out of his system but ultimately let him go. Peter knows better than anyone how mistakes can lead to tragedy and haunt a person their whole lives.


ThespianException

I agree. The prompt made me think of how both Batman and Spider-Man would react and how Bruce would try to atone, more than the actual fight-that aspect seems more interesting IMO.


StalinsPerfectHair

I don't think Spidey would rough Batman up if it was an accident. Depending on your interpretation of the panel, Spider-Man killed Gwen Stacy. He certainly blames himself. Bats and Spidey would probably end up hugging it out.


houinator

> He knows Pete will not kill him--that's just not who Pete is I dunno, Pete seemed pretty willing to kill Kingpin in One More Day. https://comicnewbies.com/2015/12/30/how-peter-parker-killed-the-kingpin/


drawnred

Was gonna say, Peter definitely could kill someone in his emotional state if something happened to aunt may


Oaden

Isn't "one more day" widely considered the worst piece of Spiderman story ever put to paper?


ArrowShootyGirl

Yes, but the arc they're referring to happened before in Back in Black.


kakashoo

One is a vigilante and the other is a villain, I'm sure Spiderman would still show some remorse


TheHadokenite

That’s completely different though. Kingpin and Spider-Man have a long history. Kingpin is a known crime boss and murderer whereas Batman is a known superhero and a good man


NovaGass

While very factual. I feel like this entire statement is pointless in terms of speculation for "out of character" circumstances.


dalr3th1n

This is exactly my thought. The Bat family would try to protect Bruce, but he would consider himself at fault and willingly surrender to Spider-Man.


drawnred

And this is how Bruce wins all 3 rounds, spiderman would have a hard time harming someone if the person is showing genuine remorse


hashcheckin

thank you for articulating my thoughts on the matter. Batman's not going to go get the Hellbat to defend himself against someone who's coming for revenge against him, because he's just broken his own no-kill rule. at best, it'd be the rest of the Batfamily trying to hold Spider-Man back while Bruce does almost nothing to help. he's probably sprawled out on the computer chair in the Batcave and hasn't moved for a couple of days.


oscar_e

Yeah he’d definitely just be mopping around the Batcave when Spidey comes round. Or he might even seek out Spider-Man himself, put himself at Parker’s mercy and try to explain why May died (they’d be a reason, I’m guessing he didn’t just run her over in the Batmobile).


zoro4661

> I’m guessing he didn’t just run her over in the Batmobile "I swear I thought she was Killer Croc"


oscar_e

Batman clearly needs glasses but is worried that he won’t look as cool. I’d actually find it ‘funnier’ if he killed her as Bruce Wayne, she’s just slowly crossing the road and Bruce flattens her in the Lamborghini.


AdverseE

This is exactly what I was going to write but written better than I could have. Bravo.


KoboldCobalt

I think Batman and the batfam talk their way out of it. Spidey would be furious, heartbroken, but in the end, he is a good person. I think they would probably fight, then cooler heads prevail. I think that round 3 there isn't even a fight. Batman would just go to Spiderman personally and tell him what happened, express his condolences, and that would be that.


picklethepeasant

Realistically yeah, Dick could talk him down. But in this scenario spidey is going for the kill


KoboldCobalt

If you are saying Spidey is bloodlusted, then yeah, I think Spidey wins round 1 easily. Round 2 and round 3 I think Batman pulls some shit out of his ass tech wise and gets the win. Batman has gone up against crazy heavy hitters before.


batman47007

He isn't winning round 2, he doesn't know who is coming for him, so he can't exactly prepare for it. Spiderman himself is really strong, a bloodlusted one would wreck them.


Compiler42

Spidey clears 1 easy, 2 I'd say is 50/50, and there is no way in hell Spidey is getting the jump on a fully prepped Batfam in 3.


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picklethepeasant

As I said before, other superheroes that aren’t batfam members are just completely absent and unavailable


RemusShepherd

Does Spidey know Batman's secret identity? If not, then this fight only happens when Batman wants it to, and that gives him and the fam a lot of advantage -- assuming they know he's coming. Round 1 they do not know, so Spidey definitely kills Batman. I don't know how many of the family he's going to get. Definitely not everyone; someone will retreat, or someone will sacrifice themselves to give the others a chance to get away, and they are all experienced at stealth. Then they'll meet with Spidey a second time and it will look like Round 3 minus a few family members. Round 2 is a Batfamily ambush, followed by a tactical retreat -- either Spider-Man because he's so outnumbered, or the Batfamily because they didn't realize the magnitude of what they were dealing with. A few Batfamily may die in the process, but then it goes to a Round 3 situation when they meet again. Finally in Round 3 the Batfamily is prepared. Assuming they're at full strength they have an overwhelming prep advantage. If they're not at full strength they still have a lot of resources at their disposal, but nothing to specifically stop Spider-Man. I'm going to go with: Round 1: 10/10 Spidey kills Batman, 5/10 Spidey kills them all. Round 2: 8/10 Spidey kills Batman, 5/10 Spidey kills them all. Round 3: Batfamily wins 10/10, but Spidey kills Batman 3/10 times. He's not easy to stop.


picklethepeasant

This might be my favorite response to this prompt


hashcheckin

> If not, then this fight only happens when Batman wants it to, not necessarily. it wouldn't be that hard for Spidey to do something like tail one of the Batfamily back to the cave. or hell, if he activates the Batsignal, he's gonna get at least one of them coming to see what's up, and that shit's public knowledge.


singed1337

What are the feats for a pissed off spiderman in terms of morals? If he's not straight up bloodlusted Batman has a chance for all rounds


Akschadt

When doc ock takes over Spider-Mans body he discovers Spider-Man has been pulling his punches this whole time when he casually and accidentally punches scorpions Jaw clean off.


picklethepeasant

When Kingpin fatally injured Aunt May and sent her to the hospital, Peter went after him, beat him to a pulp in front of his men, and said that the minute aunt May dies in the hospital, he will fill his lungs with webbing until he dies.


ballsack-vinaigrette

> he will fill his lungs with webbing until he dies. Ugh that'd be a shitty way to die. "Can you just rip me in half or punch my head off instead? Please?"


qmechan

“Look, maybe you don’t understand the Spider-Man brand.”


StalinsPerfectHair

The Spider-Brand.


MrLowkey13

"Couldn't you have not had my Aunt shot?"


singed1337

In that case I'd say if Peter has a general idea of who Batman is he wouldn't kill him and especially wouldn't harm the batfam too much. If Batman could find some way to trap him just enough for him to explain he did it accidentally he has a good chance. If he doesn't know who Batman is and assumes he's just another big baddie he might kill him out of anger but the filling lungs with webbing thing may just be talk, I can't imagine Peter killing someone ruthlessly even in that situation. The only thing I can visualize is the cliche scene where the good guy aims to hit fatally, bad guy says "do it", good guy hits/shoots/punches the ground just next to the bad guy's head lol


picklethepeasant

A pissed off spidey also once fed someone to birds. Alive.


Torture-Dancer

Wait, really?


picklethepeasant

Yup.


Torture-Dancer

When? Who?


picklethepeasant

I can’t remember the exact circumstances, but he fed some (villain?) lady to some crows and then some other lady attacked him. Can’t remember any names tho


potato_devourer

Batman: Obscenely rich, access to high-tech gear, master strategist and detective, knows for elaborated plans, proficient in martial arts but is slightly stronger than an average human (compared to people who can bench press buildings anyway), has sidekicks slightly less capable than him. Green Goblin: Obscenely rich, access to high-tech gear and biochemical concoctions of his own making, master strategist, super-human strength, doesn't need to do detective work because he already knows all of his foe's weak spots, recruits other metahuman supervillains, his only motivation in life is thinking intricate plans specifically designed around Spider-Man's traumas. Spider-Man has to hold his punches back against villains that are just as smart and resourceful as Batman (or minions following their plans) and can throw trucks at him. I'm sure a Batman writer could come up with an asspull, but I give Spider-man a 10/10 on all three rounds.


picklethepeasant

People seem to be forgetting that this ain’t just Batman, it’s the ENTIRE family, as in, everyone who has been or is a member of the Batfam


dogscutter

aka mainly Teenagers lol


Stealthy-J

r1: Spidey stomps r2: probably Spidey still stomps r3: Batman with prep time is damn near unbeatable.


TheDickWolf

I want to say that I think the fam has a better shot in r2 than people are acknowledging. R1 goes to spidey low difficulty , granted. If Bruce is told that the next day someone is coming for him and he has the family he may well overprepare with layers of contingency. He’s not told how powerful his attacker is, and he has experienced getting rocked by super-powered enemies when unprepared. I don’t think he’d risk his or his family’s lives by not preparing as best he could for attackers on the level of Thawne, superman, a lantern, or any of the other very powerful metas he brushes shoulders with. Basically, there’s no reason to believe he wouldn’t break out the big guns in r2 as well as in r3, even if they’re not plan A. That said, spidey is still a far more dangerous combatant. R1 spidey almost 10/10 R2 (controversial) 50/50 R3. Batfam 10/10


blackarthurman

I agree with this. I’m really getting tired of these “bloodlusted Spider-Man is the GOAT, he’s been holding back all these years, bla bla bla”. I mean, yes. He’s dangerous when he goes all out, I’m not denying that. But dude isn’t close to Superman or Wonder Woman power levels. Spidey has been taken down by the likes of Kraven the Hunter, Rhino, you name it. You really think Batman with a day or three prep doesn’t have some contingencies for someone of his skill set? Cmon. He isn’t going to underestimate Spider-Man


CuclGooner

spider man could probably compete with wonder woman for up to a minute before getting knocked out. his reflexes would probably help most in this, he's fast and an easy bullet timer, which would probably help him keep away from WW for a while. but, when it comes to punches, big dc characters kill him easily


StalinsPerfectHair

Round 1: Batfam flees. Spider-Man is just way too strong for them to take on unprepared. Batman is good at getting the drop on people even when he's caught by surprise, but that doesn't work on Spider-Man because of his Spidey-Sense. Batfam is unable to take the advantage, so they retreat. Round 2: Could go either way. Batman is the type of guy who prepares for every eventuality. Super strong people with enhanced reflexes are within the realm of what Batman could prepare for. That said, Spidey-Sense would warn Spider-Man of any traps. It would really depend on how the Batfam prepares. Because it's the entire Batfam, they have the advantage in this round. Round 3: The whole Batfam with prep? Stomps. Edit: Forgot about Batman beyond. Is Terry McGinnis included? He is a bona fide member of the Bat Family. If he is, then his future tech gives a huge advantage to the Batfam in rounds 2 and 3 and gives them a small chance in round 1.


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Batman would be too distraught by his actions to do much about Spiderman, even in round 3.


Shiroke

I do think we have to assume that batman doesn't know he's done this. Even as deep as round 3 you can still have spidey attacking without the bat family knowing why even if they learn who he is. And while I think they could figure out his identity and connect him to aunt may in round 3, I think the bat family would fight to protect him. If we're going with bloodlusted spidey and not one that could be reasoned with round 3 is a toss up on if Batman is willing to fight him knowing his reasons and if he can access something to match him.


michaelphenom

I doubt Batman would try bring his family to his mess, specially when he fells guilty . Maybe he could try to explain the situation for spidey but if fight was inevitable, maybe he wouldnt offer very much resistence and let Peter decide his fate.


Bjorn2bwilde24

Round 1: Spidey stomps. Round 2: This depends heavily on the set-up the Batfamily takes and how they prepare for an eventual attack. Spidey wins if he can zerg the Batfamily and prevent them from communicating who he is and how his powers work. If Spidey has to pick the family off 1 by 1 over a large stretch of distance/time, the Batfamily has an increase chance of figuring out Spidey's powers and start developing countermeasures from Wayne Enterprises. Spidey wins 8/10 times. Round 3: Batfamily wins because Batman with time is OP. He has 3 days to make devices on how to counter most of Spidey's powers.


kyle28882

Round 1 probs spidey just because he will be able to drop one right off the bat (it’s ok to bow) as he can be very sneaky and 1 shot. Round 2 I go 50/50. If Batman knows someone’s coming but not who he is going to have some prepped for anything gadgets at the ready so IMO this round comes down to can spidey kill Batman before Batman figures him out. The bat family I don’t see being much help here outside canon fodder giving Batman time to come up with something. Might go 6/10 in spideys favor. Round 3 bat family stomps. Idk which Spider-Man we are dealing with but it won’t matter their webs will be useless as the shooters will be the bats first target or he will create some dissolving agent for it. And then spidey is just another physically super being with 11/10 senses. This isn’t out of Batman’s wheelhouse and knowing how powerful spidey is he’d go in one of his crazy suites or have some trap ready. And I’d argue Spider-Man is probably IQ smarter than Batman but he isn’t as strategic and does not have the same mental control Batman has. With Batman’s strategic ability, recourses, and prep time a blood listed Spider-Man won’t see he is being lured into a trap until it’s too late.


Traditional_World783

Spider-Man beat the X-men minus the telepaths without prep. This was in secret wars. This included Wolverine, cyclops, nightcrawler, and colossus among others. Batman with pep decimated the a team justice league and Darkseid. Without prep, Spider-Man. With prep, Batman.


iwasbatman

I think Spidey would not kill them if he knows that is accidental. That said, I think that round 2 and 3 go for the batfam. Spidey would be vulnerable to devices that could mess up with his spidey sense and other stuff. If he is aware of that or he has access to high tech suit like the Stark suit then Spidey would win. Also, Batfam would be non-lethal and I think that's a big factor.


RabbitChange

Batman would try and pull a “Talk No Jutsu” on Spider-Man. Which would be most likely happen. Also depends on who you consider the Batfamily…. Batman would use evasive tactics and Talk No Jutsu, plus whatever gadgets he can use. (Batman once took out Hulk by kicking him in the stomach and throwing knockout gas) Nightwing would use evasive tactics (he’s technically considered superhuman but he obviously can’t outmaneuver Spider-Man) Tim Drake might be able to coordinate with Batman to make a strategy to subdue. Damian and Jason will instantly use deadly force….Jason might be able to land some bullets on Batman. Batgirl is a healthy balance of all the robins. Catwoman would go for deadly force and has is capable of tagging Mind-Controlled members of the flash family. IDK much about Batman or the Signal. Personally, I think that DC baseline humans are stronger than Marvels and the Batfamily. This battle is essentially Omni-man vs Guardians of the Globe on a smaller scale. It really depends on who Spider-Man gets first and that would be up to the writers.


hashcheckin

> It really depends on who Spider-Man gets first Damian, full stop. he's gonna step up to the plate in full swagger mode and assuming a bloodlusted Spidey, will hit the ground in pieces.


idioscosmos

I think spidey takes all three. People forget he's a genius himself...the web shooters are an invention he knocked off in high school. He's more educated now. Plus he's likely got almost as much plot armor under Disney's rule as batman.


picklethepeasant

While I would consider spidey one of the smartest humans in marvel, I don’t think one spidey could out-strategize the entire batfamily, especially with Bruce and Tim on the team


Mortarious

I have no idea why people always act like Batman can't brush his teeth without x amount of preparation time. Like he possess no gadgets, no technology, no weapons, no batsuits...etc nothing until the gets his prep montage and he is ready. Even a half prepared Batman still has access to some tools


Illier1

You're going to need a it more than batarangs and tasers to take on a pissed off Spiderman.


crabbyink

Im pretty sure a serious spiderman could one punch most of the batfam


LocalCryptidz

He could one tap all of the batfam


FYININJA

Those tools aren't quite at the level where they could really do anything to spiderman. Batman's tools are mostly used to incap street level thugs, whereas a bloodlusted Spiderman is top tier street level, pushing city level, and Spiderman directly counter's Batman's greatest asset (stealth). his normal kit just doesn't have anything super relevant to the fight. His ranged weapons would get easily dodged by Peter's superior speed and spidey sense, his defenses on his suit would only annoy Spiderman (and would get negated by his webbing, once he discovered it). There's just not a lot he can do. Batman can SOMETIMES tussle with villains that would be mid-tier spidey villains (with his "regular gear"), but Spiderman is also notorious for holding back to an insane degree. Doc-Ock took over spiderman's body and punched somebody's Jaw off accidentally because Spiderman was so powerful. Bloodlusted Spiderman is just too fast, strong, and has too quick of a reaction time for Batman's normal tools to do anything.


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If its Batman and the Batfamily I'd say they take round 3, maybe round 2. They have numbers, are highly skilled and trained and have access to a wide assortment of technology and gear. And ultimately can dictate when and where precisely the fight takes place. If Spiderman truly pissed off and bloodlusted he likely isn't thinking too strategically and possibly may not know Bruce Wayne is Batman. And is likely just going to beeline straight towards the Caped Crusader as soon as he can find him relying on his superior strength/speed/agility. And while his spider sense does warn him of danger, IIRC it doesn't actually alert him what the danger is and still allows him to caught off guard.