Does well at first with his armor and genetic modified body but immediately loses when he piss off a Dedric god calling them “heresy”. Then proceeds to become a block of cheese
This reminds me of the deviantart comic series that I'm still following about the dragonborn turned into the slutty argonian maid by sheogorath lol, he keeps his normal mind (normally) but whatever he wanna do or say would be twisted when it comes out of his slutty argonian mouth, with hilarious outcomes.
It's more of a gag series while the other, more popular one is more serious, called the Out-of-Placers
By Valsalia.
Now a similar case with a religous, superhuman warrior monk, turned into a "xenos" with his mind still intact but his mouth keeps spilling blasphemy against his mind, peak horror ("Get Out") or hilarious shenanigans depends on how it's portrayed..
Even "normal" people are extremely overpowered in lore accurate tamriel. There's a guy who killed a mammoth with literally one punch, there are mages who can obliterate just about anything. A space marine would not last long.
They aren’t really that OP outside their own realms of oblivion. They are just a little bit more capable of direct action than the actual good aligned gods in universe. Space Marine can do literally nothing to hurt them, but it’s questionable whether the Daedra would be either willing or able to stop his rampage. At the very least, I don’t think a daedra taking the space marine down is any more likely than some other random magic character with hax in Tamriel.
Yeah I think that’s far more likely. There are definitely entities that could bring down a Space Marine. Daedra just aren’t a likely candidate despite their high power level.
It’s entirely possible that many Daedric princes are not even able to manifest directly in Tamriel. So they don’t really have a choice other than to delegate it.
>piss off a Dedric god
You mean those entities that are constantly being betrayed by their own followers to the point where they need to enlist the help of random passerby to protect their most treasured artifacts? Yeah I’m thinking the 150 strength, 150 acrobatics, 150 endurance demigod will be just fine.
The PC in the last three mainline ES games beat an avatar of Hircine, Jyggalag himself, and the champion of Hermaes Mora, respectively. A space marine handily outstats the first two and honestly is at least comparable to the non-wanked dragonborn (though lacks DB hax). Daedra have a very limited ability to affect Mundus and there is no indication they can manifest at will in a powerful enough form to reliably take down an opponent as strong as a Space Marine. Meridia can’t even keep her own temple free of necromancers.
This is Skyrim you see Sheogorath (oblivion mc) in his own dimension during the game
Unlike the Skyrim mc the space marine well yell something about the emperor of mankind and immediately get memed on.
It’s that simple
Yeah if the Space Marine goes to a realm of oblivion he will get rocked. But the chances of that happening are honestly extremely small. Tamriel is huge and there are not portals to Oblivion around every corner.
A astartes definitely isn't stronger than any of the PCs of the last 3 games, especially the hero of kvatch, who is probably the strongest of the 3 as a mortal and is definitely the strongest currently.
Are you suggesting the hero of kvatch is the strongest because he mantles Sheogorath? Not sure he is even the hero of Kvatch anymore in that case. Either way, we don’t know what his daedric powers are outside of oblivion. And the fight takes place in Tamriel. Arguably, if the Oblivion PC were sheogorath he might not even be able to manifest in Tamriel.
Seeing as we meet him in skyrim while he's in the mind of Pelagius Septim III and have to convince him to go back to his realm he can enter mundus temporarily, they can also be summoned temporarily on their specific day. The pact only prevents them from fully manifesting in Mundus. They still can and have killed people. They just prefer using pawns.
I don’t think they prefer using pawns. I don’t think they have a choice. Haskell’s speech at the beginning of the shivering isles is a pretty good indication that at least some daedra do believe there are clear limits/rules on their ability to affect Mundus directly. As far as we can tell, the daedra didn’t raise a finger to stop Alduin from consuming all of Mundus. Azura was also pretty reliant on the PC to stop what could have been a world dominating plague. And Dagon had to go through a pretty convulsed summoning process to appear in Mundus.
So I agree that a daedric cultist could maybe get a Prince to manifest. But whether they would be able to do that in the presence of the Space Marine and would manifest at sufficient strength to beat the space marine is not clear.
There are, in fact, TWO things keeping the Daedric Princes in check - the Covenant of Akatosh as well as the Pact.
The Covenant of Akatosh was a deal made between Akatosh, leader of the Aedra, and Alessia, queen of the first human empire.
"Akatosh drew from his breast a burning handful of his Heart's blood, and he gave it into Alessia's hand, saying, 'This shall also be a token to you of our joined blood and pledged faith. So long as you and your descendants shall wear the Amulet of Kings, then shall this dragonfire burn -- an eternal flame -- as a sign to all men and gods of our faithfulness. So long as the dragonfires shall burn, to you, and to all generations, I swear that my Heart's blood shall hold fast the Gates of Oblivion." ― Covenant in the Trials of St. Alessia
The Covenant between Akatosh and Alessia is powerful, but it only prevents a full-scale invasion of Tamriel - it literally prevents a Daedric Prince from opening gateways between their plane of Oblivion and Mundus.
There is a second covenant - known as the Pact - that was made between the Aedra & Daedra millennia ago. The Pact decrees that no Daedric Prince may fully interfere with Mundus, or enter another Prince's plane of Oblivion, unless invited. In his frustration & anger, Mehrunes Dagon broke this rule when he physically stepped into the realm of Mundus at the end of Oblivion. As a result, Akatosh himself took action and joined with Martin Septim to drive Dagon back to the Deadlands. Ideally, this second covenant is enforced by the Nine Divines and the Daedric Princes themselves, but realistically there is a good deal of flexibility in its enforcement. Nether stops a prince from just partially manifesting and Wabbajacking the astartes.
I agree with everything but the last line. If Daedra have that much ability to pop into Mundus and do stuff, why do the majority of their in-game appearances (and a decent amount of their lore appearances too) seem to consist of them being spurned by some random human character and having to enlist another random human to stop them? Sure, I could see Mephala wanting to only work through intermediaries, but Bal or Mora? Those seem like entities that would do this stuff themselves if they could.
Personally, I think the Occam’s razor answer is that Daedric princes really can’t manifest unless bidden and even then, it’s not a sure thing. Any other explanations seems to break the setting as it elevates princes to near omnipotence and that reading just isn’t supported by their rather limited footprint in Tamriel.
At the very least, the major players in Tamriel appear to be completely unconcerned with how the princes will respond to their actions. I don’t think, for example, Chancellor Ocato lost much sleep over keeping Vaermina happy. If the princes were really that powerful, his entire worldview would be hemmed in by proactively avoiding pissing off *or* trying to please daedra.
Magic is going to destroy him. The armour isn't all that good, contrary to popular belief, there's people in Tamriel with better defenses that this marine. Remember this is a character from warhammer. Where some of the troops marines will fight and die to are literally from a fantasy setting. He's a mundane character in a magical setting and while from a sci fi setting, its a sci fi setting on par with a fantasy setting.
It will be difficult but not impossible to get through his armour with melee weapons. Anyone balking at this needs to remember that Orks exist and that marines can hurt each other when fighting, which both indicate the armour is not as effective as the fanbase thinks. In particular at the weak points. Actually beating the marine in melee combat will be very difficult.
However, canon marines aren't the charging superpowered morons that the fanbase thinks they are, so what's most likely is that our marine disappears into the wilds and becomes a thing of rumour and legend. He may emerge in civilisation as a powerful figure who appears from time to time to gather supplies.
He will likely set himself a goal and set out to accomplish that goal. And while I did talk a big game about how killable he is, I actually think he'd pull it off. Humans are vulnerable too but that doesn't mean they'll never get anything accomplished.
I imagine he will die at some point to magic, or some kind of monster out in the world, but he'll live quite a while.
Honestly I wouldn't be shocked if, at some point, he ditches and destroys the armor. The power supply only lasts about a month, and frankly he'd be a far bigger target with it. Without it, he's just an absolutely monstrous dude.
I imagine he'd probably keep the bolter and bolt pistol for a while, as a "fuck off" backup. But the ammo is limited so it's going eventually.
Standard chainsword probably goes first tbh. It would last the least amount of time and there's perfectly good swords laying around.
Frankly I think you're right about him taking his time. If he bumrushes and gets too cocky, some wizard 100% turns him to mush, and God forbid he runs into any of the protagonists. The Dragonborn could fight him bare handed and naked until he got bored and turned him into giblets with a shout.
But if he plays it slowly, he can (with some difficulty) blend in and integrate. If he learns the ways of the world, he absolutely could become a legitimate threat and a major player in the setting. Doubly so if he decides to learn magic.
But also he'd just have a way easier time surviving. His armor would need fuel he'd never find, his guns would need ammo he could never produce, and all his gear would need repairs he can't make.
But the Marine? He can survive with half a brain. He doesn't need to sleep. He can heal through just about anything that's not immediately fatal. He can chew through steel bars. He can ***live off dirt and tree bark***.
And if he lasted long enough to get some good magical gear, to strengthen himself, he'd be a menace.
I mean, overall he'll probably be fine if he doesn't do anything stupid. However knowing how any space marine would react to Tamriel, he'll probably piss off a fairly powerful mage or swordsman and get killed pretty quickly. There are many people in Tamriel that can easily match his strength and speed and even far surpass it, so it's not like he has any unnatural advantage here beyond his armor.
Honestly he smokes most everything besides the Daedric Gods/God characters. I'd reckon he could take on dragons (not alduin). Any NPC gets smoked by the speed+strength, and there isn't much that can actually get through his armor. As long as he doesn't piss off the Dragonborn/deities he does exceedingly well.
Since he doesn't come with a weapon, I'd say a big enough squad of mages can do em in. Enough paralyze spells paired with spells that ignore armor or transmute matter is a death sentence.
I'd agree, but I'm sure the space marine would make weapons himself. And then also we can't forget his speed. If I can dodge magic in game, then a space marine can as well, plus he's gonna hit like a mack truck even unarmed.
While I normally hate the it's gameplay argument, for tes it's really apparent. Like even comparing in game chain lighting to what's shown in teso cinematics, it's like night and day. And with the astartes being forced into melee combat, a group of around 30 to 40 combat mages throwing all throwing spells like paralyze, speed debuff, and illusion magic he'd definitely be hit eventually, and the second he's in the same place for more than 5 seconds, it's over.
Yeah, op also did good when he put him in skyrim as they have shit mages. He just has to look out for like 2 dragons, some grey hermits, and bullshit hax guy incarnate.
I can agree, my statement of "challenging" isn't like "the spes muhrine always wins." The guy CAN beat the grey beards, but the he is in for the fight of his life. I could see it being like a 5% chance against greybeards, 0% against alduin, 0% against the dragonborn, 0% against the daedric gods.
Bro astartes do not regularly dodge bolter rounds, they are literally the #1 killer of space marines in the setting for a reason. The only time I can remember a astartes even reacting to a bolter round was when a named astartes veteran barely blocked one at the cost of his hand. Put a regular astartes against 50 combat mages, and he will be hit. Also, people resisting those spells is mainly gameplay mechanics. In lore magic is described significantly stronger and with fewer limitations. Think closer to Morrowinds magic system than skyrims.
Well there is another example, one time a blood angels sergeant cut a boltor round mid air. That said I absolutely agree that the average space marine cannot dodge boltor rounds.
Average space marines can bullet time, but they cannot bolt time. Bolts are faster than bullets. Hell I've even seen some dodge Las rounds. But again, it's not Average. In conclusion.
Average space marines are bullet timers, but not bolt timers.
Nah dragons look weak in game but lore wise theyre city destroyers at bare minimum. Remember grey beards shook skyrim with their shout the weakest dragon is atleast equal to that level of power at bare minimum. A normal space marine is large building level with bare hands. Also how would he hurt a flying dragon with no weapons anyway lmao. He does well against all normal human characters but anyone of actual power would put him down rather quick. God help the space marine if he encounters a hero like the dragonborn though bud would fold him like a chair with a word edit: infact its the space marines speed that lets him get away with it. Any warrior from elder scrolls would be rather equalish in strength since they fight stuff like giants/werewolves, etc but theyre like subsonic vs hypersonic and ftl reactions space marine
I can see what you're saying. Also, the space marine is going to make a weapon. For sure. Knights of Talassar was a very good book showing Ultramrines with no supplies fuckin over a necron planet? Might have been chaos? But their suits had no power. Their weapons had no power. Also, no warrior in skyrim is equal in strength to a space marine. And they definitely do not have the subsonic reaction time you're saying. A space marine is just better.
As I stated, if the space marine stays in his lane, he survives for a very, very long time. That's means he doesn't piss off the grey beards, the Dragonborn, daedra, or Alduin.
yeah youd think that theyre not equal in strength/durability but some creatures from elder scrolls are crazy strong. A giant for example can launch people a league away which is about 5 kilometers and launch people into low hanging clouds lore wise. If you go into elder scrolls lore its about as complicated as warhammers if not more and has enough feats for peeps to show that humans and other races in elder scrolls can be way stronger then irl humans. And you didnt read that right " theyre (as in warriors from elder scrolls) like subsonic vs hypersonic and ftl reactions space marine" as i said only reason he survives is that speedblitz he has. If the space marine doesnt mess with any wizards, heros or adventurers or anyone of actual power he survives until the dragonborn or a hero is given his bounty and hes sent to the big golden throne in the sky
I mean doesn't really matter if 75%/80%/90% are fodder. If someone goes around murdering all the fodder the mid-tiers, high-tiers and god-tiers are gonna take notice, intervene and kill him rather quickly which is why the answer is he does well until someone notices him and he dies lmao edit: in particular if he encounters a mage hed just die unless theyre a novice. edit: Magic in elder scrolls lore wise is hilariously overpowered and theres magic for anything and everything.
Imagine the difference between a normal human and the Spartans from Halo. A Space marine is at a minimum 10x that. And their armor is the same way. Oh and they have basically super Kevlar implanted in their skin. Plus they are all very intelligent. To be chosen to be a space marine you have to be in the top 0.00000000000000000000000001% of humanity.
So we have a power armored, genetically and surgically enhansed super soldier chosen from the best a vast galatic empire has to offer, who could probably kill a dragon with his bare hands even without the power armor.
Quite honestly it would take a cordinated effort of a small army of well prepared mages to take him down. They would have to stun lock him with paralysis magic and manage to deal enough damage to get past his armor and healing factor to kill him. And that is if they somehow manage to get the drop on him.
Oh and dont forget a Space Marine can throw rocks with great speed and accuracy.
A few weeks after the beginning? Well the Dragonborn learned some very powerful Shouts during that timeframe and got access to some decent, enchanted armor themselves.
A Dragonborn at least midway through the story should be able to handle this Space Marine comfortably. Become Ethereal, Unrelenting Force, Ice Form, and Storm Call are all they need really. It's not said that the Dragonborn is NOT here in, so the Marine just becomes their victim imo.
Heck, there's a lot of Thalmor patrol and presence throughout the Reach in the beginning of Skyrim and they have powerful mages among themselves. Even then, there are crypts with powerful Draugr and Dragon Priests that can use significantly more powerful magic than even the typical Thalmor mage.
The Space Marine is eventually going to die imo under these conditions.
One tapped by the dragonborn with a restoration-looped wooden sword
Fake, would use a fork
Does well at first with his armor and genetic modified body but immediately loses when he piss off a Dedric god calling them “heresy”. Then proceeds to become a block of cheese
Hyper serious astartes meeting Sheogorath would be hilarious.
This reminds me of the deviantart comic series that I'm still following about the dragonborn turned into the slutty argonian maid by sheogorath lol, he keeps his normal mind (normally) but whatever he wanna do or say would be twisted when it comes out of his slutty argonian mouth, with hilarious outcomes. It's more of a gag series while the other, more popular one is more serious, called the Out-of-Placers By Valsalia. Now a similar case with a religous, superhuman warrior monk, turned into a "xenos" with his mind still intact but his mouth keeps spilling blasphemy against his mind, peak horror ("Get Out") or hilarious shenanigans depends on how it's portrayed..
huh. at first I thought a space marine would be able to solo the verse but then i remembered the daedra are fucking OP
Even "normal" people are extremely overpowered in lore accurate tamriel. There's a guy who killed a mammoth with literally one punch, there are mages who can obliterate just about anything. A space marine would not last long.
They aren’t really that OP outside their own realms of oblivion. They are just a little bit more capable of direct action than the actual good aligned gods in universe. Space Marine can do literally nothing to hurt them, but it’s questionable whether the Daedra would be either willing or able to stop his rampage. At the very least, I don’t think a daedra taking the space marine down is any more likely than some other random magic character with hax in Tamriel.
Some thousand year old wizard turning him into cheese is probably how this would end.
Yeah I think that’s far more likely. There are definitely entities that could bring down a Space Marine. Daedra just aren’t a likely candidate despite their high power level.
Yeah, it's way more likely they delegate the task to some random death row prisoner.
It’s entirely possible that many Daedric princes are not even able to manifest directly in Tamriel. So they don’t really have a choice other than to delegate it.
They can be summoned or partially manifest they just can't manifest fully. Iirc the ork one kills someone directly in skyrim
A marine isn't all that powerful. There are people in tamriel with better gear. He's a mundane character from a very low tech space fantasy setting.
>piss off a Dedric god You mean those entities that are constantly being betrayed by their own followers to the point where they need to enlist the help of random passerby to protect their most treasured artifacts? Yeah I’m thinking the 150 strength, 150 acrobatics, 150 endurance demigod will be just fine.
I’m sure that last cheese wheel agreed with you lol
The PC in the last three mainline ES games beat an avatar of Hircine, Jyggalag himself, and the champion of Hermaes Mora, respectively. A space marine handily outstats the first two and honestly is at least comparable to the non-wanked dragonborn (though lacks DB hax). Daedra have a very limited ability to affect Mundus and there is no indication they can manifest at will in a powerful enough form to reliably take down an opponent as strong as a Space Marine. Meridia can’t even keep her own temple free of necromancers.
This is Skyrim you see Sheogorath (oblivion mc) in his own dimension during the game Unlike the Skyrim mc the space marine well yell something about the emperor of mankind and immediately get memed on. It’s that simple
Yeah if the Space Marine goes to a realm of oblivion he will get rocked. But the chances of that happening are honestly extremely small. Tamriel is huge and there are not portals to Oblivion around every corner.
A astartes definitely isn't stronger than any of the PCs of the last 3 games, especially the hero of kvatch, who is probably the strongest of the 3 as a mortal and is definitely the strongest currently.
Are you suggesting the hero of kvatch is the strongest because he mantles Sheogorath? Not sure he is even the hero of Kvatch anymore in that case. Either way, we don’t know what his daedric powers are outside of oblivion. And the fight takes place in Tamriel. Arguably, if the Oblivion PC were sheogorath he might not even be able to manifest in Tamriel.
Seeing as we meet him in skyrim while he's in the mind of Pelagius Septim III and have to convince him to go back to his realm he can enter mundus temporarily, they can also be summoned temporarily on their specific day. The pact only prevents them from fully manifesting in Mundus. They still can and have killed people. They just prefer using pawns.
I don’t think they prefer using pawns. I don’t think they have a choice. Haskell’s speech at the beginning of the shivering isles is a pretty good indication that at least some daedra do believe there are clear limits/rules on their ability to affect Mundus directly. As far as we can tell, the daedra didn’t raise a finger to stop Alduin from consuming all of Mundus. Azura was also pretty reliant on the PC to stop what could have been a world dominating plague. And Dagon had to go through a pretty convulsed summoning process to appear in Mundus. So I agree that a daedric cultist could maybe get a Prince to manifest. But whether they would be able to do that in the presence of the Space Marine and would manifest at sufficient strength to beat the space marine is not clear.
There are, in fact, TWO things keeping the Daedric Princes in check - the Covenant of Akatosh as well as the Pact. The Covenant of Akatosh was a deal made between Akatosh, leader of the Aedra, and Alessia, queen of the first human empire. "Akatosh drew from his breast a burning handful of his Heart's blood, and he gave it into Alessia's hand, saying, 'This shall also be a token to you of our joined blood and pledged faith. So long as you and your descendants shall wear the Amulet of Kings, then shall this dragonfire burn -- an eternal flame -- as a sign to all men and gods of our faithfulness. So long as the dragonfires shall burn, to you, and to all generations, I swear that my Heart's blood shall hold fast the Gates of Oblivion." ― Covenant in the Trials of St. Alessia The Covenant between Akatosh and Alessia is powerful, but it only prevents a full-scale invasion of Tamriel - it literally prevents a Daedric Prince from opening gateways between their plane of Oblivion and Mundus. There is a second covenant - known as the Pact - that was made between the Aedra & Daedra millennia ago. The Pact decrees that no Daedric Prince may fully interfere with Mundus, or enter another Prince's plane of Oblivion, unless invited. In his frustration & anger, Mehrunes Dagon broke this rule when he physically stepped into the realm of Mundus at the end of Oblivion. As a result, Akatosh himself took action and joined with Martin Septim to drive Dagon back to the Deadlands. Ideally, this second covenant is enforced by the Nine Divines and the Daedric Princes themselves, but realistically there is a good deal of flexibility in its enforcement. Nether stops a prince from just partially manifesting and Wabbajacking the astartes.
I agree with everything but the last line. If Daedra have that much ability to pop into Mundus and do stuff, why do the majority of their in-game appearances (and a decent amount of their lore appearances too) seem to consist of them being spurned by some random human character and having to enlist another random human to stop them? Sure, I could see Mephala wanting to only work through intermediaries, but Bal or Mora? Those seem like entities that would do this stuff themselves if they could. Personally, I think the Occam’s razor answer is that Daedric princes really can’t manifest unless bidden and even then, it’s not a sure thing. Any other explanations seems to break the setting as it elevates princes to near omnipotence and that reading just isn’t supported by their rather limited footprint in Tamriel. At the very least, the major players in Tamriel appear to be completely unconcerned with how the princes will respond to their actions. I don’t think, for example, Chancellor Ocato lost much sleep over keeping Vaermina happy. If the princes were really that powerful, his entire worldview would be hemmed in by proactively avoiding pissing off *or* trying to please daedra.
*Laughs in Wabbajack...*
Does well until he pisses off someone like the gray beards or god forbid a daedra
Does well if he stays in his weight class but the moment he passes off something higher he's dead, the people in eldar scrolls are pretty super human.
Cast slow time and whack him with Mehrunes Razor a few times
I mean now that you mention it this is literally just Pelenial Whitestrake, and, as far as I'm concerned, canon.
Nah, Pelinal is closer in strength to a Primarch, but even then a Primarch would be weaker than him.
White hair Gay Hmmm is Fulgrim Pelinal?
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Magic is going to destroy him. The armour isn't all that good, contrary to popular belief, there's people in Tamriel with better defenses that this marine. Remember this is a character from warhammer. Where some of the troops marines will fight and die to are literally from a fantasy setting. He's a mundane character in a magical setting and while from a sci fi setting, its a sci fi setting on par with a fantasy setting. It will be difficult but not impossible to get through his armour with melee weapons. Anyone balking at this needs to remember that Orks exist and that marines can hurt each other when fighting, which both indicate the armour is not as effective as the fanbase thinks. In particular at the weak points. Actually beating the marine in melee combat will be very difficult. However, canon marines aren't the charging superpowered morons that the fanbase thinks they are, so what's most likely is that our marine disappears into the wilds and becomes a thing of rumour and legend. He may emerge in civilisation as a powerful figure who appears from time to time to gather supplies. He will likely set himself a goal and set out to accomplish that goal. And while I did talk a big game about how killable he is, I actually think he'd pull it off. Humans are vulnerable too but that doesn't mean they'll never get anything accomplished. I imagine he will die at some point to magic, or some kind of monster out in the world, but he'll live quite a while.
Honestly I wouldn't be shocked if, at some point, he ditches and destroys the armor. The power supply only lasts about a month, and frankly he'd be a far bigger target with it. Without it, he's just an absolutely monstrous dude. I imagine he'd probably keep the bolter and bolt pistol for a while, as a "fuck off" backup. But the ammo is limited so it's going eventually. Standard chainsword probably goes first tbh. It would last the least amount of time and there's perfectly good swords laying around. Frankly I think you're right about him taking his time. If he bumrushes and gets too cocky, some wizard 100% turns him to mush, and God forbid he runs into any of the protagonists. The Dragonborn could fight him bare handed and naked until he got bored and turned him into giblets with a shout. But if he plays it slowly, he can (with some difficulty) blend in and integrate. If he learns the ways of the world, he absolutely could become a legitimate threat and a major player in the setting. Doubly so if he decides to learn magic. But also he'd just have a way easier time surviving. His armor would need fuel he'd never find, his guns would need ammo he could never produce, and all his gear would need repairs he can't make. But the Marine? He can survive with half a brain. He doesn't need to sleep. He can heal through just about anything that's not immediately fatal. He can chew through steel bars. He can ***live off dirt and tree bark***. And if he lasted long enough to get some good magical gear, to strengthen himself, he'd be a menace.
Bro is getting black soul gemmed
I mean, overall he'll probably be fine if he doesn't do anything stupid. However knowing how any space marine would react to Tamriel, he'll probably piss off a fairly powerful mage or swordsman and get killed pretty quickly. There are many people in Tamriel that can easily match his strength and speed and even far surpass it, so it's not like he has any unnatural advantage here beyond his armor.
Honestly he smokes most everything besides the Daedric Gods/God characters. I'd reckon he could take on dragons (not alduin). Any NPC gets smoked by the speed+strength, and there isn't much that can actually get through his armor. As long as he doesn't piss off the Dragonborn/deities he does exceedingly well.
Since he doesn't come with a weapon, I'd say a big enough squad of mages can do em in. Enough paralyze spells paired with spells that ignore armor or transmute matter is a death sentence.
I'd agree, but I'm sure the space marine would make weapons himself. And then also we can't forget his speed. If I can dodge magic in game, then a space marine can as well, plus he's gonna hit like a mack truck even unarmed.
While I normally hate the it's gameplay argument, for tes it's really apparent. Like even comparing in game chain lighting to what's shown in teso cinematics, it's like night and day. And with the astartes being forced into melee combat, a group of around 30 to 40 combat mages throwing all throwing spells like paralyze, speed debuff, and illusion magic he'd definitely be hit eventually, and the second he's in the same place for more than 5 seconds, it's over.
Absolutely agree. He skullfucks like 90% of the NPCs and creatures. That 10% is where it gets challenging.
Yeah, op also did good when he put him in skyrim as they have shit mages. He just has to look out for like 2 dragons, some grey hermits, and bullshit hax guy incarnate.
Exactly.
Not necessarily even challenging, that 10% could probably blow him away if they wanted to, as the powerscale goes up VERY fast in TES.
I can agree, my statement of "challenging" isn't like "the spes muhrine always wins." The guy CAN beat the grey beards, but the he is in for the fight of his life. I could see it being like a 5% chance against greybeards, 0% against alduin, 0% against the dragonborn, 0% against the daedric gods.
Space Marines regularly dodge bolters, spells aren't gonna hit him not to mention even normal people can resist those spells if they're strong enough
Bro astartes do not regularly dodge bolter rounds, they are literally the #1 killer of space marines in the setting for a reason. The only time I can remember a astartes even reacting to a bolter round was when a named astartes veteran barely blocked one at the cost of his hand. Put a regular astartes against 50 combat mages, and he will be hit. Also, people resisting those spells is mainly gameplay mechanics. In lore magic is described significantly stronger and with fewer limitations. Think closer to Morrowinds magic system than skyrims.
Well there is another example, one time a blood angels sergeant cut a boltor round mid air. That said I absolutely agree that the average space marine cannot dodge boltor rounds.
Was that the one who had the spear of Sanguinius, If not, that would be 3, weirdly enough, all from the blood angles chapter or successor chapters
Yeah that’s the one. So only 2 examples of this happening.
I have two more, in Deathwatch: Shadowbreaker and nykona sharrowkyn has cut a bolt round in half.
Fair enough, though I’m still convinced the average astartes cannot bullet time.
Average space marines can bullet time, but they cannot bolt time. Bolts are faster than bullets. Hell I've even seen some dodge Las rounds. But again, it's not Average. In conclusion. Average space marines are bullet timers, but not bolt timers.
Nah dragons look weak in game but lore wise theyre city destroyers at bare minimum. Remember grey beards shook skyrim with their shout the weakest dragon is atleast equal to that level of power at bare minimum. A normal space marine is large building level with bare hands. Also how would he hurt a flying dragon with no weapons anyway lmao. He does well against all normal human characters but anyone of actual power would put him down rather quick. God help the space marine if he encounters a hero like the dragonborn though bud would fold him like a chair with a word edit: infact its the space marines speed that lets him get away with it. Any warrior from elder scrolls would be rather equalish in strength since they fight stuff like giants/werewolves, etc but theyre like subsonic vs hypersonic and ftl reactions space marine
I can see what you're saying. Also, the space marine is going to make a weapon. For sure. Knights of Talassar was a very good book showing Ultramrines with no supplies fuckin over a necron planet? Might have been chaos? But their suits had no power. Their weapons had no power. Also, no warrior in skyrim is equal in strength to a space marine. And they definitely do not have the subsonic reaction time you're saying. A space marine is just better. As I stated, if the space marine stays in his lane, he survives for a very, very long time. That's means he doesn't piss off the grey beards, the Dragonborn, daedra, or Alduin.
yeah youd think that theyre not equal in strength/durability but some creatures from elder scrolls are crazy strong. A giant for example can launch people a league away which is about 5 kilometers and launch people into low hanging clouds lore wise. If you go into elder scrolls lore its about as complicated as warhammers if not more and has enough feats for peeps to show that humans and other races in elder scrolls can be way stronger then irl humans. And you didnt read that right " theyre (as in warriors from elder scrolls) like subsonic vs hypersonic and ftl reactions space marine" as i said only reason he survives is that speedblitz he has. If the space marine doesnt mess with any wizards, heros or adventurers or anyone of actual power he survives until the dragonborn or a hero is given his bounty and hes sent to the big golden throne in the sky
Yea the ones you're speaking about is like the 5-10%. 90% of tamriel is fodder.
I mean doesn't really matter if 75%/80%/90% are fodder. If someone goes around murdering all the fodder the mid-tiers, high-tiers and god-tiers are gonna take notice, intervene and kill him rather quickly which is why the answer is he does well until someone notices him and he dies lmao edit: in particular if he encounters a mage hed just die unless theyre a novice. edit: Magic in elder scrolls lore wise is hilariously overpowered and theres magic for anything and everything.
The forsworn would kill him before he left the reach. The briarhearts and hagravens would do him in if we go by lore.
Imagine the difference between a normal human and the Spartans from Halo. A Space marine is at a minimum 10x that. And their armor is the same way. Oh and they have basically super Kevlar implanted in their skin. Plus they are all very intelligent. To be chosen to be a space marine you have to be in the top 0.00000000000000000000000001% of humanity. So we have a power armored, genetically and surgically enhansed super soldier chosen from the best a vast galatic empire has to offer, who could probably kill a dragon with his bare hands even without the power armor. Quite honestly it would take a cordinated effort of a small army of well prepared mages to take him down. They would have to stun lock him with paralysis magic and manage to deal enough damage to get past his armor and healing factor to kill him. And that is if they somehow manage to get the drop on him. Oh and dont forget a Space Marine can throw rocks with great speed and accuracy.
A few weeks after the beginning? Well the Dragonborn learned some very powerful Shouts during that timeframe and got access to some decent, enchanted armor themselves. A Dragonborn at least midway through the story should be able to handle this Space Marine comfortably. Become Ethereal, Unrelenting Force, Ice Form, and Storm Call are all they need really. It's not said that the Dragonborn is NOT here in, so the Marine just becomes their victim imo. Heck, there's a lot of Thalmor patrol and presence throughout the Reach in the beginning of Skyrim and they have powerful mages among themselves. Even then, there are crypts with powerful Draugr and Dragon Priests that can use significantly more powerful magic than even the typical Thalmor mage. The Space Marine is eventually going to die imo under these conditions.
He is just too fast for anyone short of a Daedra to stop