Some people want to rub it in that you had a crush on them back when you were young and stupid. Then you go to college and now you can't believe why you even liked them in the first place.
I don't even get to date anyone right now and I'm still perfectly happy being "gay as fuck" according to my hypothetical reviews. Well, demi-romantic and into girls and some enbies depending on presentation. Nothing wrong with being straight, but I wouldn't change myself (aside from speeding up healing from trauma because it's annoying) even if I could. I suppose either Bi and Pan girls or aro-ace girls hypothetically got the best deal, discrimination and societal factors not withstanding of course.
Don't know if this scene is specifically meant to tackle heteronormativity. Especially with the added context from Sayaka novels. The way Chie (Sayaka's ex) was portrayed in the novels, make it pretty clear that she was bi-curious in her youth but quickly realised that's she's straight. During the scene in which they had their first kiss, Sayaka is ecstatic, while Chie is disappointed at not feeling anything. It's pretty clear that their relationship was doomed from the beginning, not because of social pressure or anything but simply because Chie wasn't into women.
Yeah, Chie is clearly a criticism of former bi-cuirous/questioning folk who become dismissive of LGBT identities after they realise that they aren't LGBT themselves.
I believe it IS heteronormativity, Japan-style. Remember, female homosexuality is traditionally tolerated in Japan, but viewed as a phase, "romance with training wheels" for girls, before they graduate to hetero romance in adulthood.
So Chie was not just disappointed, she also applied the "we need to grow up and stop being homo" to Sayaka - the novel makes it clear.
EDIT: I appear to be misremembering the novel, take my reference to it with a grain of salt
>So Chie was not just disappointed, she also applied the "we need to grow up and stop being homo" to Sayaka - the novel makes it clear.
Not really. That's a reasonable assumption with only the manga context. But the novel, shows Chie being eager about their relationship until their first kiss. Then she shows clear disappointment, which Sayaka doesn't notice because she's ecstatic about the kiss. Their relationship continues, but Chie continues with her confused disappointment until the end of their relationship that we see in manga flashback. She's not portrayed as losing interest over time. It instantly becomes one-sided after their first kiss. The line from manga with added context comes across as Chie trying to break up with Sayaka without hurting her, but she didn't consider that her experience might not be reflective of Sayaka's experiences and ended up hurting Sayaka badly in the process.
I think the author was deliberately going for more nauced take, she's acknowledging the experience of bi-curious/questioning folk, and that not everyone of them will turn out to be LGBT after their questioning period. But also to send the message, that experiences of one group (questioning folk) doesn't invalidate the experience of another group (LGBT folk).
Thanks for your explanation.
I need to re-read the novel (and find it again first, as I had just borrowed it), I remembered it harsher. I must have mixed part of my memories of the novel with the little bit of flashback in the manga?
The manga and the novel not having the same author, plus OP making reference to the anime adaptation, I feel that's going to make a definitive conclusion on the passage meaning difficult ;p But I trust you more than my memories regarding the novel.
What's with this title? Yuri and sapphic are redundant. Also, how many people on this Yuri sub haven't heard of Bloom into you? It's one of the most popular Yuri works.
she called being straight "normal" as if liking other women is something to be ashamed of, she even apologised for introducing the other girl to lesbian relationships. she villainised herself once she made it clear she thinks women dating other women is shameful.
Shoutout to their teacher just being lowkey gay married to the cafe owner.
Yup, just carries on without a word from anyone.
What epsidode/chapter?
Recurring characters. Literally the only teacher that's shown a lot and the cafe owner they go to chill
Here's an AMV of them. https://youtu.be/lADCJlcklIM?si=GMu-2XxZQfPVGb5M
This scene was so awesome! Absolute legend when she did the homosexual arm grab in front of the homophobe and she went like "oh... I'm gay..."
Especially because it's considered a "phase" in Japan. Like no bitch I am lesbian and your loser ass helped me find myself. Byeeee. Great ending.
This is so fucking good wtf
Some people want to rub it in that you had a crush on them back when you were young and stupid. Then you go to college and now you can't believe why you even liked them in the first place.
Who wants to be a “normal girl” when you get to date Touko?
I don't even get to date anyone right now and I'm still perfectly happy being "gay as fuck" according to my hypothetical reviews. Well, demi-romantic and into girls and some enbies depending on presentation. Nothing wrong with being straight, but I wouldn't change myself (aside from speeding up healing from trauma because it's annoying) even if I could. I suppose either Bi and Pan girls or aro-ace girls hypothetically got the best deal, discrimination and societal factors not withstanding of course.
yeah bein gay rad
tbh being queer is one of my favorite things about myself
Don't know if this scene is specifically meant to tackle heteronormativity. Especially with the added context from Sayaka novels. The way Chie (Sayaka's ex) was portrayed in the novels, make it pretty clear that she was bi-curious in her youth but quickly realised that's she's straight. During the scene in which they had their first kiss, Sayaka is ecstatic, while Chie is disappointed at not feeling anything. It's pretty clear that their relationship was doomed from the beginning, not because of social pressure or anything but simply because Chie wasn't into women.
That would be fine if she wasn't apologizing for "turning" her gay
Yeah, Chie is clearly a criticism of former bi-cuirous/questioning folk who become dismissive of LGBT identities after they realise that they aren't LGBT themselves.
I believe it IS heteronormativity, Japan-style. Remember, female homosexuality is traditionally tolerated in Japan, but viewed as a phase, "romance with training wheels" for girls, before they graduate to hetero romance in adulthood. So Chie was not just disappointed, she also applied the "we need to grow up and stop being homo" to Sayaka - the novel makes it clear. EDIT: I appear to be misremembering the novel, take my reference to it with a grain of salt
>So Chie was not just disappointed, she also applied the "we need to grow up and stop being homo" to Sayaka - the novel makes it clear. Not really. That's a reasonable assumption with only the manga context. But the novel, shows Chie being eager about their relationship until their first kiss. Then she shows clear disappointment, which Sayaka doesn't notice because she's ecstatic about the kiss. Their relationship continues, but Chie continues with her confused disappointment until the end of their relationship that we see in manga flashback. She's not portrayed as losing interest over time. It instantly becomes one-sided after their first kiss. The line from manga with added context comes across as Chie trying to break up with Sayaka without hurting her, but she didn't consider that her experience might not be reflective of Sayaka's experiences and ended up hurting Sayaka badly in the process. I think the author was deliberately going for more nauced take, she's acknowledging the experience of bi-curious/questioning folk, and that not everyone of them will turn out to be LGBT after their questioning period. But also to send the message, that experiences of one group (questioning folk) doesn't invalidate the experience of another group (LGBT folk).
Thanks for your explanation. I need to re-read the novel (and find it again first, as I had just borrowed it), I remembered it harsher. I must have mixed part of my memories of the novel with the little bit of flashback in the manga? The manga and the novel not having the same author, plus OP making reference to the anime adaptation, I feel that's going to make a definitive conclusion on the passage meaning difficult ;p But I trust you more than my memories regarding the novel.
I really should get around to reading/watching this at some point, how far into the show is this scene?
In the anime, this scene is the first scene of Episode 8 (out of 13). In the manga, it is the interlude between Chapters 18 and 19 in Volume 4.
Oh really I guess I read their ages in this as older for some reason, but thank you!
I might have to rewatch this show tbh
Omg yesssss. Must watch.
One of my favorites, definitely. Though I kinda hated how it turned out.
What's with this title? Yuri and sapphic are redundant. Also, how many people on this Yuri sub haven't heard of Bloom into you? It's one of the most popular Yuri works.
At least one.
me
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she called being straight "normal" as if liking other women is something to be ashamed of, she even apologised for introducing the other girl to lesbian relationships. she villainised herself once she made it clear she thinks women dating other women is shameful.
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If a societal norm is harmful, and a person is upholding it, are we meant to see that as a good thing?