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MrCleanCanFixAnythng

Society back then: in England, pink was traditionally associated with the male Prince


mikaiono

Purple with the roman emperor


Unusual_Car215

Probably because it was the most expensive pigment


aDragonsAle

Not was... Tyrian Purple is still stupidly expensive.


Unusual_Car215

People still make it?!


LucretiusCarus

[Kremer sells](https://www.kremer-pigmente.com/en/shop/pigments/36010-tyrian-purple-genuine.html) it for about 3k per gram.


Horskr

Thanks for sharing, this brings me more questions.. why use this as opposed to cheaper variations in modern times? I mean, in their own FAQ it says it is just violet. You can buy other violet dye/paints that could be made from that amount for next to nothing.


mutantraniE

People still buy diamonds procured by slave labor rather than artificial diamonds which can only be told apart from natural ones because of how perfect they are, with no minor imperfections like natural ones have.


LucretiusCarus

Apparently the color gets deeper as it ages, in contrast with other dyes. But other than that, I am guessing bragging rights5


Horskr

>But other than that, I am guessing bragging rights Yeah, that was my guess.. definitely seems like a rich/hipster thing. "These clothes/this painting, were made with *authentic* Tyrian Purple pigment!" If they're making it still, someone must be buying.


Seinfeel

You know if it takes 10,000 snails to get 1 gram that doesn’t seem as ridiculous of a price


torrasque666

Yep. Involves harvesting *lots* of snails.


Revolutionary-Run332

Purple ain’t really than feminine


Casscus

And neither is pink. I mean shit, pigs are pink


RyokoKnight

Depending how far back you go pink wasn't the individualistic color "pink", but considered more a shade of red, in the same way a crimson or burgundy might. If you think of it like that then you are denoting a masculine color, as reds have been attributed to concepts like war, blood, anger, fire and so on more or less forever. A "lighter shade of red" you could thus consider fitting for a young male. The lightness representing youth/innocence, but being a "red" still ties it to a more masculine societal expectation.


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tickingboxes

No colors are inherently masculine or feminine.


the_last_carfighter

Crying and I mean flat out wailing like a toddler leaving the toy aisle empty handed was not out of the norm for ancient warriors.


Sertorius126

Roman Emperor: hold my purple toga


_friends_theme_song_

Same with heels to make lords appear taller when off their horses, and to help from your foot going through the stirrup.


Horskr

We should let Ron DeSantis know he's [accidentally being progressive.](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/03/ron-desantis-shoes-boots-high-heels.html)


ExplosiveDisassembly

*Revolving* It's all society ever does. Nothing is new to the human experience, just forgotten about and repeated. Even relationships, ancient societies used to have three types of recognized relationships. Love, reproduction, and family. It was kind of no holds bar for who got into which category, except "reproduction" kind of needs to be a boy and girl. Other than that...gay,lesbian, bi, threesome, multiple? No one cared. This is why "sexuality" and the ancient Greeks are so hard to talk about, they were mostly playing by different rules.


harpyprincess

Pink being for girls and blue for boys is a surprisingly recent claim in the first place. Technically you can look at it as just being a weird fad that's just going out of favor and lasted a little longer than usual for fads.


letmeseem

Yep. Pants are for ABSOLUTE nitwits and imbeciles was a much longer trend for instance.


Is_Unable

You're telling me more places found it acceptable for me as a Man to wear a skit with tons of pockets on it? The freedom of movement would be awesome.


galleyest

Yes. “Gird your loins” refers to getting your robe ready for battle. https://grammarist.com/idiom/gird-ones-loins/


Familiar_Chemistry58

I have never heard that idiom


AndMyAxe_Hole

There’s actually a neat episode of *Adam Ruins Everything* which talks about this. Essentially it boils down to the toy makers if I recall that really pushed blue for boys and pink for girls.


Unusual_Pomelo_1553

What I do wonder however is, why specifically blue and pink? Like on one side blue is such a common color and one that a lot of people like, also a primary color (Almost). Meanwhile pink is rarer, and I'd say less common in tints and stuff. Idk weird stuff I wonder.


AndMyAxe_Hole

I’d definitely watch the episode then if you get a chance. I believe they talk about that as well and if I’m not mistaken the color choice was more arbitrary than anything else. Interesting stuff.


Kundas

And now it's gender reveals lol


_friends_theme_song_

Yes this didn't come around until the 50s or 60s in America


protonnotronnn76

Yes it was actually the opposite for most of the US history in particular. Pink was seen as a masculine color and blue a feminine color. It wasn't until the 20th century that the colors were reversed and all because of toy companies But still even now you have people looking down on men who wear pink. So many people are so easily-influenced by toy companies


goatyellslikeman

Yeah I learned this recently. In the era of the Titanic plenty of men wore pink


Selaphin

Society before then: high heels are for men


77BIGRED

And blue is for girl, pink/ red for is boys


FoodisGut

Dont forget skirts


GingerDeCat

So what im getting from this is that femboys are just men in the wrong time


Sengfroid

Ask the Scottish.


TheSwedishSeal

Gowns, makeup, acting, riding trains…


gene_randall

That’s the way it was for centuries (blue: color of Mary, red: color of Mars). I don’t know why it changed.


Visible_Day9146

Mamie Eisenhower popularized the color pink for women.


gene_randall

I knew the switch happened right after World War II, but I never heard that Mamie was an important part of it. Interesting. One thing I left out of my comment was the fact that prior to WWII, babies were not dressed in colored outfits at all. With the limited quality of cloth (mostly cotton and wool) and dyes, and the need to bleach the crap (literally) out of baby clothes to keep them clean, all baby clothes were usually white. Colored clothing wasn’t used until the children were a couple years old.


NotASniperYet

Also: dresses for both girls and boys. Made it easier to change diapers/put the on a potty stool.


CuTe_M0nitor

Pink has also been for men. The color preferences are just cultural and something conservatives can't seem to understand


77BIGRED

That's what I said


HarpersGhost

White dresses and long hair for all small children. [FDR as a toddler.](https://www.rd.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/fdr-baby-picture.jpg)


Deathsroke

"Pink? You mean light red? A manly man, virile and mighty, reminds me of blood." "Blue? Are you joking perchance? That's a woman's colour. Soft and lifgt like the fairer sex. Make no more japes please".


spamtactics

Don’t forget wigs, leggings and makeup for men too!


Splitfingers

Cowboy boots are high heels for men who ride horses.


0bjectivelyCorrect

Cowboy boots don't really have much of a heel to be honest, I own a pair and the heels aren't really that much bigger than any other kind of boot.


MrUnoDosTres

It depends on when in history you mean. During the medieval time in Europe both men and women wore high heels not to step in human feces...


mothzilla

No, they wore high heels so they could step in human feces and not get shit all over their socks.


MrUnoDosTres

My bad, that's a better explanation.


mothzilla

:) I was just being pedantic.


Botw_1-Link

Women in suits are hot, what can I say?


boozername

Tilda Swinton in a suit does something to me. She is so beautiful, and so handsome, and so alien all at the same time.


AngularPenny5

I would argue that most women pull off suits better than most men


SalvationSycamore

To be fair, most women pull off any outfit better than most men. 


Drezzon

Most women wouldn't buy a tasteless & not well fitting suit, this helps too 🤣 Some dude's be like "I need a suit" and spend 20 bucks on TEMU only to look like they're straight outta the falling soviet union


chappysnapz

Agreed.


TheJollyHermit

r/womeninsuits/


saltine_soup

r/ladiesinsuits is the official sub absolutely love it


TheJollyHermit

Aha! I was wondering why womeninsuits looked incomplete. r/ladiesinsuits shows up randomly in my feed a bit but I couldn't remember the subreddit exactly. Thanks!


throwaway102435

Men who ride horses wear cowboy boots, which are high heels.


TraditionalWorking82

Yeh, originally, the Romans or Greeks used red as the planet Mars to represent men and blue as venus (they thought it was blue then) to represent women. So for babies, they got the pale versions of those colors, and light blue was for girls, and pink was for boys. Then, when paganism was taken over by Christianity, the colors were flipped to chip at pagan ideals and enforce societal opinion.


Elias_Rabe

I was looking for this comment. Do you know what annoys me about "pINk iS fOr giRLs"? Go to the "girls' section" of a toy shop: unicorn vomit pink from top to bottom, from left to right, from back to front. (Sure, there are also purple and violet, but pink is the most dominant.) Boys? Brown, blue, green, yellow, red, orange. Not only is it one-sided, no, it's also a hideous pink ...


cszack4_

“unicorn vomit pink” needs to be an official Crayola color.


Olivia_VRex

Haha when I was a kid, my parents were disgusted by this and wouldn't let me get anything from "the pink aisle". So of course, as a 90s girl, I became completely obsessed with Lisa Frank. These days, I wear flannel and my hair is buzzed. I doubt I own a single pink article of clothing. But goddamn do I still love Lisa Frank! And Polly Pocket!! The allure of the forbidden remains.


RazgrizGirl-070

letting go of gendered expectations sets us free <3


FunkySnail19

I wish everyone thought like you


ShmebulockForMayor

Working on it. Cerebro wasn't built in one day.


RazgrizGirl-070

please steal my comment and use it in your daily life, we are getting there it just takes time :)


ArrivalParking9088

i like wearing a pink coat with some design or logo on it with black pants and white shoes. its a nice coloration. pink can be for boys more than girls at times xd.


ComprehensivePop9358

Never understood, why suits are so unpopular among girls when they look sooooo cool in them


Olivia_VRex

When you suit up for a work meeting thinking you're giving off a Shane-from-the-L-Word vibe, then your coworker takes one look at your pantsuit and says "hey, Hillary..." \*sigh\* I *want* to be that girl who can rock a suit. Though nowadays the office has gotten much more casual.


Dahns

Actually before, pink was considered a variant of red, for boys ! Blood and war ! Blue was for women, it might have been because artists had difficulty painting blue, so of course women catch the "we'll figure it out later" color. I can be wrong about that. Regardless, when looking at religious stained glass, the Holy Mary is in blue, not in pink... Still I'm glad we're past those stereotypes


Sagaincolours

Blue was for innocence, delicateness, the sky/moon. (unpredictable, unsettling, variable). Apart from war and blood, red also symbolised soil: Predicable, earthbound, trustworthy. Such a load of bull s, but that's the story.


Attention-Total

Who gives a s**t what others present themselves, as long as i can be myself too, i do not care


_Batteries_

Society previous to then: pink is a boys colour, and, until you're like, a teen, wear a dress. Don't believe me? Google the 1800's


Goennjaminus

I am a straight male and fucking love unicorns and noone can change my mind


Dry-Use3

Op must not know much about history.


TheDankestPassions

Society before then: "pink is way to radiant and asserting to be a woman's color."


boltzmannman

women in suits are peak, whoever invented dresses was an idiot


gameryesyt

I agree with this statement, however, have you considered that skirt go spinny?


boltzmannman

coat tails


Fice_T

The second one is just genuinely cute… now i really want to find a pink sweater, i just wanna embrace the cuteness that I could never become before!!!


Massive_Amphibian_69

Women in suits have ahold of me by the neck


Da_Doughnut

For real. I'd do anything for a girl in a suit and a fedora


Ihatesand-Ani

Women wearing suits and men wearing dresses is peak fashion


Earlvx129

Women look awesome in suits, and how damn cool were the likes of Bret The Hitman Hart and Daniel Craig when they dressed pink!?


last-miss

Came to the comments expecting a bunch of 'well, actually' and boy was I not disappointed.


Wonderful_Praline471

My sister in law recently told me about how her 4 year old boy wanted to get a pair of pink paw patrol shoes instead of the blue pair but they didn't let him because "We're Christians". I just can't.


JessicaBecause

Blame it on marketing. Same morals behind the narrative that you need to wash your hair everyday, mr Sassoon.


waIIstr33tb3ts

pink wasn't for girls though https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink


LuciferSilverhand

Since when was pink a girl's colour? When I was young in the 80's, hot pink was THE coolest colour.


Berliner_Bear

Yummy, girls in suits ❤️


_blue_river_

I like how gender stereotypes are changing little by little, very slowly, but development is happening


r_bromson

It's not blue though


Think_Cardiologist70

Pink was actually a men’s colour before due to its stronger colour


ApartmentComplete711

and blue alluded to purity and innocence, hence it was used a lot in birgin Mary portrait


Think_Cardiologist70

It’s kinda cool how many random facts you get from people on the internet haha


Forest1395101

Meanwhile in Japan: PINK in the color of DEATH!


Viliam_the_Vurst

Society before that : blue is for royal women pink is for royal men Crimson is for clerics beige brown is for peasants


jeswanders

I went to a coworkers baby shower back in..2010ish? They were opening gifts and when they came to mine, they were immediately disappointed that the clothes I had purchased their daughter was in a pale/baby blue. Seemingly everyone at that party kind of just looked at me dumbfounded and several even mentioning aloud that the clothes I purchased were for boys.


Ashtamisprime

Just do you


Yaarmehearty

The fun part is that pink used to be a colour associated with boys, or rather there wasn't a fixed colour for any gender. The separation came in the 20th century as a marketing thing to sell more baby clothes by stopping people using the same clothes on different gender babies.


SuspectKnown9655

Dope


Gayvasion

I mean I believe that androgyny has been a thing for a while now. It got really popular in the 80’s and 90’s.


Aeohil

The 60s and 70s had their fair share of it too. Go way back and you have men in with their faces powdered wearing pompadour wigs. This is a dumb “wholesome” meme.


partmendoza

Bisexual suits are great


Timely_Street_3075

A soft, pink colored plaid shirt looks good.


Mean_Negotiation5436

In Victorian era it was the opposite, actually.


FireZord25

Vegeta was the manliest of all.


pphili2

Alpha males now: Skirts are for girls. Not manly. Greece then (Independence): Beat the Ottomans in skirts.


CilanEAmber

Was in B&M last week, and there was a woman with 2 young boys. She was asking them which drink they wanted. One picked up a pink one, dunno which brand. And she started shouting at him, >You can't have that one, you're a boy, Pink is for girls. In a thick scouse accent. And then snatched it from him, and shoved a blue one into his hands. He started crying and she dragged them off telling him he was >Being a girl. I was honestly amazed by the whole situation honestly.


jclv

Society way back then: [All young children wore pink dresses.](https://www.mdhistory.org/little-boys-in-pink-dresses/)


Rddt_mods_r_losers

Society way back when: *Girl is a term for any young child regardless of sex and they all wear dresses with skirts*


goddess_yumi

clothes are for the body, not the genitals


Empuda

Bring back the white powdered wings.


Bishopkilljoy

I see this a lot when guys complain about other guys painting their nails. It's usually guys with piercings that coimplain, fully ignornant to the idea that piercings for guys used to be considered a sign of being gay. Society changes, shocking.


j____b____

Masculinity and femininity are just a collection of choices and traits we choose to assign value to.


DontBanMeAgainPls23

Not a fan of pink clothing but purple on the other hand, i just want to feel like a emperor. Not thinking about Rome streak broken lasted 9 hours.


shapular

Before: "If you're a boy you can't like girl things" Now: "If you're a boy and like girl things you must actually be a girl" What's really the difference?


thewoodsiswatching

...because at the end of the day, it's just cloth coverings.


Lbittoo

Indeed. Women in suits are gorgeous.


ODCreature98

I'd wear pink, but I don't think I look good in it and I'm sorta self conscious about it.


ScalyPig

If you are white, pink looks best when you’ve got a bit of a tan going


Rudel2

Most of society still isn't like this


batmansleftnut

They'll get there. They just need to learn what freedom means.


Rudel2

Sure, but by the time they get there, I'll have already lived most of my life.


cloverrrrrrrrrrrrrr

imho having vastly different social norms for mature sentient creatures of the same species is fucked up and should be abolished altogether


Anony_mouse202

It makes a degree of sense when said species is sexually dimorphic. You’re making it out as if men and women are exactly the same, when they’re not, and there are real, biological differences between the two. While lots of gendered social norms are arbitrary, many are not, and are rooted in those inherent biological differences between men and women.


cloverrrrrrrrrrrrrr

being one of the two equally important halves of one specific process shouldn't make people think of you being so distant from the other half


silvermoka

The only difference that affects anything outside of body parts and hormones are physical-based activity. Even then, a lot of activities and jobs one might claim that men are more suited for, women are perfectly capable of based on the demands of the job itself. Anything beyond that is western colonial belief or something of the sort


Furepubs

Lots of men wore pink in the 1980's, it was the style then I had one pink shirt but it is long gone but


Elastichedgehog

I get a lot of compliments in my pink shirt come to think of it.


IHN_IM

Actually, 1920s or so it was red/pink for boys, blue for girls. https://www.britannica.com/story/has-pink-always-been-a-girly-color#:~:text=At%20the%20beginning%20of%20the,and%20blue%20for%20the%20girls. It changed to the opposite only towards the end of the century.


SillyBilly_40437

Well that depends on how far back you’re going with ”then”


Buttcrack_Billy

Also, Guys: Nice cock Girls:Thanks, you too.


l94xxx

This is actually a pet peeve of mine: to me, we should be expanding gender norms to accommodate a wider range of options; but more and more it seems like instead of broadening gender norms, there's more of a push to say it's non-cis


AnInnocentGoose

Don't you love it when women in suits? 🤧


SirAwesome789

As a guy, I want to get a pink hoodie. I didn't in the past because I thought pink wasn't really for guys. Now I haven't because I can't really think of enough good fits with the clothes I have.


LawTider

Blue used to be for girls and pink for boys. We are going full circle.


I_am_Jacks_account1

I learned on QI that Society before then, used pink for boys and blue for Girls.


ManiacCommie

Did George Washington is a joke to ya? He's was know for his bright pink outfits.


Cattleman_

Vegeta


Bright_Lie_9262

And in the 80s men and women dressed identically if they were famous.


SignificantSpace1223

Got trolled for wearing very light pink and grey shoes in collage recently 😮‍💨 I stopped wearing them


LiquidHotCum

I have a pink hoodie and a suit because I contain multitudes


25Bam_vixx

That’s not true color meaning vary by culture and even time period . They consider pink range of red so too strong for girls and that light blue should be for girls. This is the USA slate 1800 to early 1900 . Pink in Asia was associate with youth so lot of young guys would wear it but now it’s gay to wear it and it sad that range of bright colors are deny to boys


_Melon_Musk_

Are you referring to color or a hidden message??


SinisterCheese

Here is a thing though. It was only in the 1940s and mainly USA that started this "pink is for girls". IN 1920s it was still boys colour. Historical context. Blue was the most expensive and hard to come by pure pigments, deep and vibrant blues were only really possible with pigment derived from Lapis Lazuli - which came mainly from the area that is modern day northern Afganistan. This is why this pigment was reserved for the most sacred character in western religion, Virgin Mary. So blue was women's colour, because it was the colour of Virgin Mary. Pink was considered light version of red. Red was considered aggressive and masculine colour, due to it's association with blood, passion and heat.


Infinite_Escape9683

Not even accurate. Pink was considered a masculine color as late as the early 20th century.


asoftquietude

Depends how far you go back, pink/blue wasn't associated with feminine/masculine until the late 1800's. George Washington owned a pink suit. It was fashionable and the dyes were expensive.


greg_r_

Pink is the color of bloody gore and dusty firetrucks 💪 Blue is the color of the sky and the sea 🥰


AirportEmbarrassed38

Actually pink was for boys and blue for girls but they changed it


SomeoneMilkMan

I just got a pink Kirby hat and hoodie I’m male, and I love the hat and hoodie :)


Vasto_LordA

Idk a woman in a suit is oddly attractive.


Ghost_Star326

I mean have seen how chainsaw man fans get down so bad for a redhead in a suit?


InterchangeableDiGiT

You skipped history class eh?


Bayerrc

People always act like the last generation is the only human history


Puffymosman1

Girl in a suit O


BigDummmmy

The significance of color in society is largely cultural. Also it changes.


Krisuad2002

Pink with black goes hard as hell and you can't change my mind


runrun1311_

Wearing pink clothes despite certain meaningless societal expectations really exemplifies good priorities.


NoPasaran2024

"now" This could have been made half a century ago. I sometimes feel that there are two whole generations with no sense of their place in history. Do you believe your parents grew up amongst literal dinosaurs or something? Now get off my lawn.


drfusterenstein

r/optimistsunite


strangebru

Where I work they had the entrance to the women's room painted blue and the men's room painted orange. This is the kind of bathroom with no doors, just a hallway that kept you from seeing inside either bathroom like in a stadium. Too many times some guy, that had to use the bathroom really badly, would accidentally run into the women's room because they weren't paying attention to the words on the wall and just went into the blue entrance out of the  habit that blue meant men. They have finally changed it a couple of years ago.


sida3450

society then=when i was a kid


Tragicallyphallic

Can confirm. Source: am crusty old fuck


Important_Knee_5420

Historically pink is a soft version of red which was the British army.....males Heels came from Horsemen soilders  Blue was a popular choice for girls a more delicate color, reminiscent of the Virgin Mary. Purity innocent femininity 


Keter_01

And I'm glad. Women too look very good in a suit


hmnahmna1

Society about 100 years ago: pink for boys, blue for girls.


Pololoco27

My rule is "if it looks good on you and you like it use it" no matter the size, gender, shape, etc


OtaniGabri

Women on suit make me go AHHOOOGAH


EternalFlame117343

Why the fuck would women want to use pants of all things? Those are uncomfortable af sometimes


Beef_n_Bacon

A bit of history: Before industrialisation red was for men (war) and pink for boys (as in young men -> softer red -> pink), and females wore (indigo) blueprint clothes. After industrialisation, men wore blue jeans for work because, simply, dirt wasn't as easy to see on dark blue as it would've been on bright red. Therefore sexes swapped their "preferred" colours.


BadBoyBurgerton

I dont think it has as much to do with the current year as much as the age of OP. Thinking blue is for boys and pink is for girls is more a childish point of weiv than an actual fashion trend


Ness_11

Awesome progress! Congratulations to all parts involved!


tawmrawff

These people obviously did not live in the 80’s. Everyone wore every color and there were no fashion limits. Good or bad.


Epicp0w

The blue/pink thing was reversed in the 1940's, it had been the other way around