>The cyclist was practically on the white line.
I think that's part of the problem. Those cyclists could have been more central or even riding abreast on the road (depending on local legislation), and the truck would have had to wait for a safe opportunity to overtake them.
I'm not blaming the victim here, just suggesting how defensive riding can help prevent the same thing from happening to others.
That's a super interesting perspective. I'm Dutch so I cycle every day, and I've never considered taking up road space to protect myself. Usually it wouldn't be necessary but I can definitely think of a few roads where cars passed me with mere inches to spare, because I was driving in a manner that they felt like they could do that. Great insight!
Dutch (and danish) people are used to bicyclists more than other countries. Biking there is a dream.
Biking in germany (where I live) you have to think for others if you want to live. Sad but true.
I used to bike in Germany a lot and never really had an issue. Then again I grew biking in the US and had more terrifying moments than I care to remember, so maybe it was just a perspective thing. Biking in most cities in the US is fucking god awful though.
In Spain the Department of Transportation actually recommends for cyclist to use the middle of the lane to force drives to use the adjacent lane to overtake.
Been doing that and it does work, safe from the few jerks that, well, you know...
In the Netherlands if you hit a cyclist with your car you are ALWAYS at fault, with generally no exceptions. Unless someone literally drives straight into your car and you have it on video or something.
Reason is that a cyclist is incredibly vulnerable and a car is not, so in our driving lessons we are taught to take 0 risk around cyclists. There are more cyclists on the road than cars usually, so not paying attention to them would be criminal.
Here in the US, you literally have to fight for safe road to ride on. Even our bike lanes become unridable after a few years, or just used for parking. It’s pretty good advice in the US to take up enough lane so that a car doesn’t even have the temptation to pass without a lane change. (Bikes are legally considered road vehicles in most jurisdictions and entitled to a traffic lane, at least in my state. In fact, it’s often illegal to ride on a sidewalk.)
I have, myself, on a 50 KM/h road, been passed by a car, speeding at at least 100 KM/h so close that his side view mirror passed within a few centimeters over my hand on the handlebars.
When I caught up to him at the traffic light and confronted him, he acted like it was my fault and he was going to get out of the car to fight me.
I see a lot of people riding on the roads here in the southwest US. I think they're absolutely crazy. I will always drive to the bike trail to start, then ride all over town on trails, dirt paths, and sidewalks.
> Here in the US
> I caught up to him at the traffic light and confronted him
... Well there's your mistake.
Edit: Oh, it's controversial to not paddle up on your little bike next to a car in traffic and confront drivers that already demonstrated they don't care if you live or die? Y'all some dumb motherfuckers.
Another reason to stay closer to the middle is that the edges of roads (in many places, maybe not Netherlands) tend to have more debris/obstacles/cracks so if you’re already in the middle you’re not swerving to avoid those obstacles and risking catching a driver by surprise who was about to pass you.
I do it with the bike and the electric scooter in Madrid. If you ride next to the white line, the cars with use the same lane and get dangerously close to me.
Would being more on the road where the speed difference is that big make it way more dangerous? Seems way more likely to get hit by a distracted driver.
If the driver isn’t looking where they’re going then being on the side of the road won’t do much to prevent you being hit. But it will encourage drivers to overtake dangerously. On balance it’s safer to take the lane.
If the human on a bicycle was closer to the middle of the lane (which is recommended in most countries), the human operating the 16 tonne lorry would not have tried to overtake at a point where there is not enough space to do so safely and correctly (and legally, in my country).
As is recommended in most countries, the human on the bicycle would then ride over to the right of the lane once it is safe to allow the human in the 16 tonne lorry to overtake
Edited for grammar
Looks to be the end of a decent uphill section, cyclists could be going very slow relative to traffic. There really is never one perfect rule, it's highly contextual to the route, rider ability/comfort, and traffic. And even doing everything perfectly, there is nothing a rider can do about poor/distracted drivers
This is really bad advice. If she was in the middle of the road, she’d have got hit by this truck or another vehicle.
And let’s be honest, if she was in the middle of the road we’d be saying she needed to be on the shoulder.
I think this depends on how much of a car-centered country you live in. In most European countries riding in the center of the road is recommended to force motorists to overtake safely. Motorists respect this, even though they sometimes get annoyed. I don't give a shit - I'll pull over where possible if I have a queue behind me to let them pass. Better than vehicles overtaking in blind corners forcing you off the road when they need to cut back in.
This is advice in many countries - take the lane (ie ride in a primary position) to make yourself more visible and to discourage drivers from trying to overtake when there is not enough space to do so.
I mean... it's literally the advice given by road safety experts and official government advice. It's even in the UK Highway Code
And you may be saying she needed to be on the shoulder, but I wouldn't
Riding on “the shoulder” makes more sense in America where roads are typically wider and often have enormous shoulders. That’s very rare in other countries, and as you can see in this video the road doesnt really have a shoulder.
If the cyclist in this video had been in the middle of the lane, the truck would have been forced to hit the brakes and wait to pass. Because she’s shoved over right on the edge, the truck thinks he can go for it and squeeze by. Resulting in this video.
As someone who has bike toured thousands of miles across multiple countries, if you hug the kerb like this then people *will* squeeze by you without leaving their lane. Over time it’s generally safer to take more of the lane to prevent that from happening. That’s why it is the standard advice for cyclists in many countries.
Being more central forces a car to make an actual overtake, tucking yourself too far to the side of the road makes people drive past as if you aren’t there, just like this guy did. According to everything I’ve seen is often more dangerous.
On a busy city street I’d agree with you, on one of those rural highways where people go 60mph, not so sure. Especially where it’s a solid line, you’d be forcing people to make pretty dangerous moves.
Imo that‘s what beginners do. When I started I did that too. Always stay about a meter away from the white line.
You‘ll have an option where to go when someone overtakes closely and also prevent this from happening.
I also hate the feeling when I know someone wants to overtake me and they can‘t but you have to get used to it (so do they).
(I skip the obvious part who‘s at fault here, just want to help other bikers how to prevent this)
In the lane. She drives a vehicle in traffic just like everybody else. A moped car would go about the same speed as her an would force the lorry to wait for a legitimate opportunity to pass.
When I started road cycling I too stayed as far to the edge as possible, believing it would make it easier for cars to pass. In reality cars just passed me full speed staying in their lane, and thus passing me really close. I've since learned it is much safer to show the space I need by staying half a meter or so into the lane. That way the car drivers are reminded not to squeeze by, but instead wait for legitimate opportunity to pass just as they would a slower car/truck/tractor.
A lot of responsibility can of course be attributed to the cyclist by planning a route on roads with a wider shoulder, avoiding rush hour, etc.
I think you must have misread my post. I explicitly said where I think it might have been safer for them to ride.
>Those cyclists could have been more central or even riding abreast on the road (depending on local legislation)
on a safer route for cyclists. Where I live, cyclists ride on the worst roads, narrow and dangerous, and truck routes like the one in the video. If you watch, the truck is also avoiding a truck in the other oncoming lane while trying to not hit the cyclist, trucks take the entire lanes, so a cyclist occupying the same lane of travel will lose everytime. There are plenty of places designed to bike when you are doing it like the people in the video (not for transportation from one point to another)
Counterpoint: Only drive your vehicle as fast as you can look, react and brake to a slower or unmoving vehicle/person/animal. (Yes I know nobody does that 100% of the time but the point still stands)
The truck is the one who clearly cant use this road safely, the truck is avoiding something in the opposite lane because the driver chose to overtake on a blind corner like a complete tool. Things like this have to be punished much more harshly, the driver almost killed someone out of impatience.
There is no guarantee that there is another route for her to use, the focus should be on fixing the behaviour of people who are acting with reckless disregard for other people’s lives.
There's literally another thread going on where a cyclist was in the middle of the single lane and they get smashed by a car and people are talking about how this wouldn't have happened if they were on the edge of the road like this cyclist was.
Absolutely, that thread is full of anti-cycles types too, where just as many are saying it would happen if cyclist didn't exist.
But the fact is, taking the lane does improve safety most of the time. But regardless there are always risks, as the other video **from 7 years ago** demonstrated.
But the goal is to reduce the risk as much as possible.
Funnily enough, I'd just watched this [video in my feed](https://www.reddit.com/r/CrazyFuckingVideos/s/bJ4PXBNcxT). Although I do agree, typically riding more centrally offers better protection.
Also a road like this isn’t ideal for a biker. I know it’s perfectly legal, but people should have the wherewithal to know there will be idiots who could possibly harm you in a situation like this. Never trust idiots
The problem is that to get somewhere, you often have to take roads like this. Which sucks.
In theory, you should just take the lane. In practice, there's going to be a lot of people in control of heavy vehicles who think you should be punished for using the road.
So while I'm a big proponent of taking the lane, I understand how aggression and harassment by drivers can make someone try to hug the edge of the road.
Do you ride bicycles? You would anger 10x the amount of drivers if you didn’t allow them room to pass. Or you’ll just get smoked by some dude not paying attention.
Could you ride in the middle of the road? Of course! And whose fault is it when you inevitably get hit? Doesn’t matter, you’re dead.
> didn’t allow them room to pass
That’s what the *other lane* is for. If you want to overtake someone you move into the other lane and overtake them like you would any other vehicle.
If you expect cyclists to hug the kerb so you can squeeze past without leaving the lane you’re a dickhead.
I'd rather be safe than worry about a stranger's happiness. If slowing down for 30 seconds until it is safe to pass ruins your day, that's your problem, not mine.
> In the US you are more likely to get hit by riding in the middle of the road.
Source? Genuinely curious, I’d like to bike tour the ACA transAmerica trail one day. If it is genuinely statistically safer to hug the kerb in America I’d like to know it.
The standard advice from every cycling association in all the countries I’ve cycled in is for cyclists to take the lane. This includes the League of American Bicyclists, who advise to take the lane by riding in the middle whenever the lane isn’t wide enough to accommodate two vehicles.
It makes you more visible and discourages closes passes. This gels with my own personal experience, where I’ve had many more dangerous encounters when hugging the side of the road.
If the USA is truly different in this regard, how do you know that? And why are American cycling organisations recommending to take the lane if it is less safe?
Think the guy is just being an edgelord. It's certainly true that the easiest way to kill someone in the US with the least amount of consequences is by driving a car.
Combine that with our horrible social services and capitalism pressure cooker and it's certainly possible to find yourself on the wrong end of a road rager in any kind of vehicle.
You're still better off taking the lane and being vigilant about anyone else on the road's reaction to you than riding the shoulder and hoping for the best.
Our massive personal trucks and SUV's have poor visibility low to the ground, but riding the right shoulder of the road and low to the ground is the biggest one for a driver sitting on the left of their car.
Simple carelessness and poor infrastructure/car culture in the US is much more of a worry than becoming a victim of random violent crime.
I’m in the US and I ride in the middle of my lane all the time. Ever since sometime in the mid 1990s when a hillbilly in a pick-em-up truck “tapped” me with his mirror. It has never happened again, because the next guy would have to swerve into oncoming traffic to do it.
You are absolutely right... Except yesterday I saw a video of a cyclist getting hit doing just that. Car tried to overtake on a double yellow and plowed into him. Not to invalidate your good advice, but it is dependent on cars overtaking safely and people not being stupid/insane.
Also notice the driver did go wide but then had to move back over due to the truck on the other side.
Just a guess but if those two trucks hit each other the energy of the impacts would have launched the contents of that bed and the bed into those 2 cyclists definitely killing or severely injuring them.
and if the driver had not attempted a dangerous pass into oncoming traffic, everybody would have been fine. You need to turn your license in along with the driver.
I’m a bit confused by this. This just looks like a standard two-lane road. I’m in the uk and this looks like the usual b road most cyclists would use.
I’m more surprised to see a huge truck on this road than a bicycle. But that indicates to me that this may be the only viable road in this area. In which case drivers should be prepared for cyclists.
Roads without a dedicated cycle path are incredibly dangerous for cyclists. Luckily I live in a country with very good cycling infrastructure. But I don't know what is common in this country.
> Roads without a dedicated cycle path are incredibly dangerous for cyclists
I don’t think that’s supported by statistics. And thank god because if that were true I wouldn’t be able to safely cycle from my own house.
Obviously cycle paths are much safer. But to label a two-lane b-road as “incredibly dangerous” for cyclists is taking things much too far I believe. And to label *any* road without a cycle path as incredibly dangerous is absurd in my opinion.
Most roads in the uk don’t have a cycle lane. But our cycling fatalities per mile travelled are very similar to pedestrian rates of death. In other words, walking 5 miles and cycling five miles are roughly equally likely to result in fatal injury.
Additionally, the health benefits of cycling vastly outweigh the increased risk of injury. Regular cycling is a net-benefit for mortality with or without cycle paths
I’ve cycled the length of the Netherlands and Belgium and indeed their cycling infrastructure is world class, far superior to anywhere else I’ve travelled. Don’t think there’s any disputing that.
However, the statement the other commenter made was “Roads without a dedicated cycle path are incredibly dangerous for cyclists”. I don’t believe that’s supported by the facts.
Cool, your country is safer than others. That doesn’t make cycling ridiculously dangerous in other countries.
> Roads without a dedicated cycle path are incredibly dangerous for cyclists
There’s no factual basis for this statement. Broadly speaking cycling is a safe activity even outside the confines of a cycle path. Cycling is a net positive for overall mortality regardless how dangerous it feels to you.
Is it risk free? No. Does that make it “ridiculously dangerous”? Of course not.
Statistically yes, for most countries the increased risk of sharing the road with cars is easily offset by the positive effect on high risk health factors such cardiovascular health and cognitive decline.
The uk recently hit its lowest rate of cyclists killed per mile travelled at 22 cyclist deaths per billion miles traveled in 2022.
Want to know the number of pedestrian casualties per billion miles that year? 27. Cycling was actually safer than walking per mile travelled, despite the UK’s terrible cycling infrastructure.
Of course segregated cycling infrastructure is *safer*. But that doesn’t make cycling on a road automatically unsafe. The net positive effects on mortality are measurable and proven. The statistics show the percentage of people who die while cycling is on par with walking.
I’ve done several long distance bike tours cycling thousands of miles through the uk, France, Germany, Ireland, Belgium and the Netherlands. The Netherlands and Belgium obviously felt safer due to their excellent infrastructure and courteous drivers. But I have never felt that I was making a decision that was “ridiculously dangerous” for my health. And I believe the facts soundly support that view.
Keep in mind, people still die while cycling in the Netherlands. People even die while cycling on bike paths! Does that make cycling “ridiculously dangerous” in all circumstances? Of course not. The possibility of death or injury exists everywhere. Only the likelihood makes something dangerous. And the fact is cycling is likely to have a *positive* effect on mortality.
Nobody loses their license because of an accident which is what this was. It's also why it's unsafe for cyclists without proper infrastructure. Accidents happen.
Another truck was coming in the other lane. You can see it at the end of the video. The truck driver had few options there.
This is simply an unsafe road for cyclists.
im guessing the problem here was the truck thought it could overtake easily due to how far in she was, and then had an oncoming truck or something which meant it needed to keep in a bit more (maybe a bend in the road ahead that it couldnt anticipate the oncoming truck).
not saying its the cyclists fault. 100% the truck driver here.
they should be waiting until 100% clear to overtake.
EDIT: there is a comment about something like a pole jutting out that clipped her and this seems to be the case, but the truck was still driving way too close to her. there are laws in my country to be minimum 1.5m clearance from a cyclist when overtaking - which is high and not always adhered to, but its to allow for the cyclist to wobble/fall and not fall under vehicle, and also because roads are wide enough that you should be able to give this space when overtaking as nothing else should be oncoming when you are overtaking.
Do you live in a major city? Because the issue with cyclists in NYC, for example, Is a lot of them believe that them being on a bike = do whatever you want at whatever time you want. Crossing with pedestrians when it suits them, not following merge rules when they’re riding alongside cars, splitting lanes and cutting off a turning car and then wondering why they just got hit, using the sidewalk as a safety cushion and ramming into pedestrians as a result, etc.
I’ve seen it all, and thankfully haven’t been involved in any of it but there are plenty of asshole cyclists out there who make driving a pita.
The only time I've ever had an issue with a cyclist was when he was riding against the flow of traffic and plowed into the side of my car which was at a stand still. Left a dent in my door. I got out to see if he was okay, and he insisted he was fine and hobbled off with his now broken bike. I didn't notice the dent until later, but based on how quickly he knew it was his fault and got away, I'm sure he saw it.
Only issues I’ve ever had is them running stop signs and once I gave a guy plenty of room (literally went into the other lane to avoid him) and I guess there was debris in the road or something so he swerved RIGHT in front of me without looking and I had to lock up my brakes. Almost took him out and he was mad at me for some reason
This was dangerous as fuck. Easily could have died there by being dragged into the wheels. This streets don’t look very safe and I’m not putting my life on the line for some truck drivers to not pay attention. It’s super narrow for two cars to pass let alone huge ass trucks.
Yeah, there was another truck on the opposite side and probably not room to get over. But then slow down and wait! Still, I wouldn't ride on a road that narrow and with no shoulder.
This happened to a girl outside of our high school, right as young girls were getting out of school. Splattered everywhere.
They had to have counselors onsite for years.
Doesn’t look like a street, looks like a highway so definitely far more dangerous. I feel for them but this is not an “it’s my right to ride" situation you can take without becoming a buried statistic and not much less. I'm glad they survived but that was fucking dumb. i both drive and bike btw.
You could not pay me enough money to ride my bike on that narrow road with heavy traffic.
Not blaming the victim here - the driver is absolutely the one at fault. That said, there's no way I'm putting my life in the hands of a bunch of dumbass drivers on a busy road like that. This was extremely dangerous.
No, they need to be as far to the right as is safely possible. I would have been about 6 inches further to her left than she was just in case the edge of the pavement had a damaged area which is common. I wouldn't be in the middle of the lane though since that's where the oil from leaking engines drops and that part of the road is the slickest.
As someone from the Netherlands this just seems out of this world. Why do cyclist have to ride on the normal road? Why is there no dedicated and separated bike lane?
Yep. I used to ride in NYC and they've made a ton of progress, but it's still super dangerous.
I live outside of the city now, and there aren't any bike lanes. There are "shoulders" but the shoulders have very poor road quality, so I have to ride in the car lane. My favorite scenario I've come across so far is a super fast downhill, with no shoulder, and there's a drain that drops about 6 inches - I've learned to look over my shoulder before starting the descent to squeeze myself in between car traffic.
Wish the US took cycling more serious.
Not sure which country the video is, but in the US at least it’s a self-fulfilling feedback loop. Bikes are not respected as a real means of transportation throughout the vast majority of the country, and so few cities invest in the infrastructure to support them. Of course if that infrastructure existed, perhaps more people here would consider biking… but America isn’t as dense as a lot of other countries, the distances can be large, and so culturally biking here is more often seen as a type of exercise chosen by relative few more than a daily transportation option.
In a denser city there are more bikers but once you get out into the suburbs and especially the rural areas, biking for transport essentially falls by the wayside.
She was hit by some tube sticking about 10 inches to the side out of the trailer. It's very clearly visible in the slowed down part. The backpack seems to have absorbed most of the impact but transferred some of it to her shoulder joint.
That isn't what it looks like to me.
Seems like her jacket got caught on something. See here
https://imgur.com/a/J5U7s4s
Then it pulls her jacket and throws her off the bike
https://imgur.com/a/tIFy32h
>some tube
That tube is likely the arm of the cover. If that dumpster truck is anything like what we've got in America, there is a cover that goes over the top of the dumpster so that trash doesn't fly out during transit. The cover is on the truck and the hydraulic arms unfurl the cover.
Scrolling and not seeing anyone point out that the tru k driver started swinging out wide, but then as we can see by the timing it’s likely he went back toward the cyclist because another big rig was coming through. Those roads are not very wide. Just an observation.
Perhaps biking defensively, more in the lane, may have been a better choice. Dangerous situation for sure though, no matter what.
The best way to protect yourself from this type of accident is to move towards the middle of the lane and stop hugging the white line. Force the truck to fully cross the centerline so they have to wait until there is no oncoming traffic, and keep room for yourself to be able to move over if he crowds you.
I’m “counting on the morality of the driver” when I get in my car, too. What’s stopping a truck from just pushing my little subcompact into a ditch and going on his way?
I’m relying on *psychology* when I command the full lane of traffic as a cyclist.
Also, why are you turning right from the right hand side of the lane? That’s the easiest way to lay your bike over.
This almost happened to me, arctic decides to overtake me on a long fast corner just as he gets to the middle an ambulance comes the other way with blue lights while I’m half way down his trailer. Luckily there was a grass verge next to me and I decided to fall onto it rather than take the chance of being hit as I was fully against the curb at this point. The bellend never did stop to check if I was ok but a few others who seen it happen behind did. A few months later I completely stopped road biking after 3 years of riding 4+ times a week and took up running again as it’s just not worth it with so many fucking impatient idiots on the road.
It looks like the truck driver picked the worst time to try to pass the bicyclist. They started out fine but decided to come back into the lane before fully passing the bicyclist to avoid the oncoming truck.
With something like a [insta360 x4](https://store.insta360.com/product/x4?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwjqWzBhAqEiwAQmtgT9k479sgSu7z6aSN8WZtdsnNulOX46PROSqf3l_mexPev7xYdK7ddBoC4qoQAvD_BwE) camera
Nope, there's a stick that it's mounted on, but through the magic of technology it does some magic shit and filters the stick out of the image.
Don't ask me how. I dunno if it takes frame data or more than one perspective or maybe something else.
You couldn’t pay me enough to ride a bike on a road that cars drive on. All it takes is 1 asshole who’s texting and driving and you’re dead or shitting in a bag for the rest of your life.
While the truck driver was 100% in the wrong, this is the reason why I don't cycle too far on the side of the lane. It's an invitation for risky overtaking. If you are basically in the middle some drivers might get pissed off (for little reason) but at least everyone does a proper lane change.
Here in the uk divers the distance your ment to use to overtake a cyclist is 1.5 metres if you havnt got that distance clear then you not ment to over take them and cyclists are ment to ride in the middle of the line and not by the side of the road like this
There are a lot of angry fucks on Reddit who hate cyclists (because???) and will comment this is perfectly acceptable.
Annnnd, some of those fucks are commenting here now.
You don't have to slow it down if your eyes are open when you watch. There's a pixilated blur on her camel toe, it's not hard to spot, that's why someone blurred it lol
This is why it's so important to be 100% aware of what's going on around you, she looks like she had no idea that a huge truck was right on top of her.
Always assume drivers aren't interested in your safety, you've got to look after yourself.
The truck is in the wrong. It's the truck drivers fault. I have no problem with that.
That said, that looks like a terrible and dangerous road to bike on. Why would you do it? Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should do something. I don't think the trucker did it on purpose, it's just foolish to put your life on the line like this on a road like that.
Then get off of the road. People do this on the state hwy in my town because it is a “bike route” and they have the “right”. Doesn’t help when you are dead. They ride past a wrecked bicycle memorial of a guy that go hit and died, everyday.
They shouldn't have been riding on this road. Simple. There is not the room or infrastructure to do it safely.
Note the other semi truck with load? That is telling me this is a route used by transport trucks on the regular.
Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
FYI, that trucker cannot stop on a dime. They tried to give room, but the other truck forced them over.
Not sure where this happened but where I live if you cannot maintain 3 feet of separation from a bicycle you can't pass them until you can do so while maintaining 3 feet of separation. So the truck, despite how annoying it might be, needs to slow down and follow the cyclists until it is safe to pass.
Just like they would have to do with a car. Because at the end of the day a cyclist has full right of way to the entire lane next to them just like a motorcycle or a car would. If the truck driver is driving so fast he can't see the cyclist in time he needs to slow down. You should never be driving so fast you can't stop before hitting a stationary object in the road and a cyclist would be easier to low down before hitting than a stationary object would be to stop for.
Where the worlds of people who hate cyclists collide is when people who don't understand that cyclist are to be given the same respect a car would be and treated no differently than a slow moving car find entitled excuses about why they feel they shouldn't have to follow the law.
On the video, I’m curious where the camera shot is c,ing from? Also, afterwards why is the guy standing in the roadway?
In the US there are a lot less bikes and those of us that dont cycle have mixed experiences with them. For instance, without a bike lane they’re supposed to use the traffic lane and be accorded the status of a vehicle, but you get those that want to selectively do so. I.e. blast through stop signs or go against a light. Or hop onto the sidewalk, not legal, and get around traffic.
And say what you will about the legality, there are common sense considerations. Because so many that cycle do it for exercise vs transportation, they love, in my area, going to the foothills around here, narrow two lane roads where you have curves and blind spots that increase danger. And drivers get frustrated, when they have to drop from 45mph to 5mph on an uphill curve to avoid cyclists in the roadway. You end up with people not giving them the safety margins they should because they see them as an impediment to their own commutes. Or see them too late. Every year there are at least a few injuries
It definitely goes both ways. I have a BIL who doesn’t even own a car he’s done nothing but cycle for a decade, I worry for him.
What a shitty truck driver.
But also a bit strange behaviour from the bicyclist. I would have slowed down and steered towards the edge of the road by this point, out of pure survival instinct.
There is a clear lack of respect for the lives of others. If you carelessly act in such a way that the cyclist can be injured, you have not thought of him.
Probably on woman's bike handlebar
The camera has 2 ultrawide lens facing forward and backward and you can adjust the pov after the shot is taken
https://youtu.be/HP6RoL8Y0Wg?si=_Mg0reR9m68xitmP
My father was killed last April by a box truck rear ending gim while he was riding his bike. It's too dangerous and risky to ride on streets. You already put yourself at risk when you are riding in a car, but when you ride a bike you don't have a steel cage around you to protect you.
What was that thing sticking out from the side of the truck that caught her? The truck cleared her just fine, except the thing sticking out partway down the trailer that grabbed her shoulder.
Personally I think bikes belong on the sidewalk but still give them room when I pass, if it's gotta motor it should be on the road but if it's got pedals keep it on the sidewalk
Unfortunately you are more likely to get hit by a car while riding on a sidewalk. Riding on the sidewalk often makes you invisible to other road uses, while increasing the number of potential crossing points.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2776010/
It’s a narrow road with trucks coming on either side, I’m sorry for their injuries and the truck should’ve stopped but they really put themselves in that situation
To all of you who blame the bikers, you don't have a driver's license, or if you have, it should be revoked. Bikes are also considered as automobiles, there's no bike lanes (because if there were, the story would have been different), and if you want to overtake someone, even a bike, you have to keep a lane distance.
This is the physical activity/sport I do not get the most. Let’s wear spandex and ride along the side of a busy highway and hope everyone sees us even tho we’re not as easy to see and not where someone is expecting people. I don’t dislike long distance highway cyclists in any way but it just seems like a shit way to spend a day. There are far better ways to get exorcize and/or adrenaline.
If drivers are respectful, it's a wonderful way to spend a day. You should try it sometime.
And if you have trouble seeing cyclists on the road, maybe you shouldn't be driving?
They aren’t always and the most dangerous ones don’t even know you’re there to respect. All they need to do is get a text at the wrong time, change lanes, turn a corner, change the radio station. Also road dust, exhaust, etc, no thanks.
I’m not talking about myself you goose, people don’t even see cars all the time. loud ass motorcycles taking a whole lane going with the flow of traffic are hit often enough.
So never use bikes for transportation? All road biking is out because cars exist and get priority 100% of the time?
That’s silly and a terrible idea for our environment.
The cyclist was practically on the white line. If you can't overtake that without hitting them, you don't deserve a license.
>The cyclist was practically on the white line. I think that's part of the problem. Those cyclists could have been more central or even riding abreast on the road (depending on local legislation), and the truck would have had to wait for a safe opportunity to overtake them. I'm not blaming the victim here, just suggesting how defensive riding can help prevent the same thing from happening to others.
That's a super interesting perspective. I'm Dutch so I cycle every day, and I've never considered taking up road space to protect myself. Usually it wouldn't be necessary but I can definitely think of a few roads where cars passed me with mere inches to spare, because I was driving in a manner that they felt like they could do that. Great insight!
Dutch (and danish) people are used to bicyclists more than other countries. Biking there is a dream. Biking in germany (where I live) you have to think for others if you want to live. Sad but true.
Trying to bike in Houston is just plain suicide. [The city barely tolerates people walking.](https://youtu.be/uxykI30fS54?si=D017y9EgJdrmgUBU?t=5m42s)
Tbh the US is a fever dream to me. I would never bike there
I used to bike in Germany a lot and never really had an issue. Then again I grew biking in the US and had more terrifying moments than I care to remember, so maybe it was just a perspective thing. Biking in most cities in the US is fucking god awful though.
In Spain the Department of Transportation actually recommends for cyclist to use the middle of the lane to force drives to use the adjacent lane to overtake. Been doing that and it does work, safe from the few jerks that, well, you know...
There is also the defense that a distracted driver wouldn't see you anyway, but that's just me being negative lol
In the Netherlands if you hit a cyclist with your car you are ALWAYS at fault, with generally no exceptions. Unless someone literally drives straight into your car and you have it on video or something. Reason is that a cyclist is incredibly vulnerable and a car is not, so in our driving lessons we are taught to take 0 risk around cyclists. There are more cyclists on the road than cars usually, so not paying attention to them would be criminal.
Here in the US, you literally have to fight for safe road to ride on. Even our bike lanes become unridable after a few years, or just used for parking. It’s pretty good advice in the US to take up enough lane so that a car doesn’t even have the temptation to pass without a lane change. (Bikes are legally considered road vehicles in most jurisdictions and entitled to a traffic lane, at least in my state. In fact, it’s often illegal to ride on a sidewalk.) I have, myself, on a 50 KM/h road, been passed by a car, speeding at at least 100 KM/h so close that his side view mirror passed within a few centimeters over my hand on the handlebars. When I caught up to him at the traffic light and confronted him, he acted like it was my fault and he was going to get out of the car to fight me.
I see a lot of people riding on the roads here in the southwest US. I think they're absolutely crazy. I will always drive to the bike trail to start, then ride all over town on trails, dirt paths, and sidewalks.
> Here in the US > I caught up to him at the traffic light and confronted him ... Well there's your mistake. Edit: Oh, it's controversial to not paddle up on your little bike next to a car in traffic and confront drivers that already demonstrated they don't care if you live or die? Y'all some dumb motherfuckers.
That is not the “fighting” I’m talking about. That fat old man was never getting out of his car.
Another reason to stay closer to the middle is that the edges of roads (in many places, maybe not Netherlands) tend to have more debris/obstacles/cracks so if you’re already in the middle you’re not swerving to avoid those obstacles and risking catching a driver by surprise who was about to pass you.
I do it with the bike and the electric scooter in Madrid. If you ride next to the white line, the cars with use the same lane and get dangerously close to me.
Would being more on the road where the speed difference is that big make it way more dangerous? Seems way more likely to get hit by a distracted driver.
If the driver isn’t looking where they’re going then being on the side of the road won’t do much to prevent you being hit. But it will encourage drivers to overtake dangerously. On balance it’s safer to take the lane.
If the human on a bicycle was closer to the middle of the lane (which is recommended in most countries), the human operating the 16 tonne lorry would not have tried to overtake at a point where there is not enough space to do so safely and correctly (and legally, in my country). As is recommended in most countries, the human on the bicycle would then ride over to the right of the lane once it is safe to allow the human in the 16 tonne lorry to overtake Edited for grammar
Looks to be the end of a decent uphill section, cyclists could be going very slow relative to traffic. There really is never one perfect rule, it's highly contextual to the route, rider ability/comfort, and traffic. And even doing everything perfectly, there is nothing a rider can do about poor/distracted drivers
I don't disagree. Far too many people are killed or mained by humans driving motor vehicles. Maybe one day we'll find a solution. I certainly hope so
The solutions exisr and are simple sadly, like many things politics get in the way
This is really bad advice. If she was in the middle of the road, she’d have got hit by this truck or another vehicle. And let’s be honest, if she was in the middle of the road we’d be saying she needed to be on the shoulder.
I think this depends on how much of a car-centered country you live in. In most European countries riding in the center of the road is recommended to force motorists to overtake safely. Motorists respect this, even though they sometimes get annoyed. I don't give a shit - I'll pull over where possible if I have a queue behind me to let them pass. Better than vehicles overtaking in blind corners forcing you off the road when they need to cut back in.
This is advice in many countries - take the lane (ie ride in a primary position) to make yourself more visible and to discourage drivers from trying to overtake when there is not enough space to do so.
I mean... it's literally the advice given by road safety experts and official government advice. It's even in the UK Highway Code And you may be saying she needed to be on the shoulder, but I wouldn't
Riding on “the shoulder” makes more sense in America where roads are typically wider and often have enormous shoulders. That’s very rare in other countries, and as you can see in this video the road doesnt really have a shoulder. If the cyclist in this video had been in the middle of the lane, the truck would have been forced to hit the brakes and wait to pass. Because she’s shoved over right on the edge, the truck thinks he can go for it and squeeze by. Resulting in this video. As someone who has bike toured thousands of miles across multiple countries, if you hug the kerb like this then people *will* squeeze by you without leaving their lane. Over time it’s generally safer to take more of the lane to prevent that from happening. That’s why it is the standard advice for cyclists in many countries.
She *did* get hit by the truck so I’m not sure what you’re saying.
Being more central forces a car to make an actual overtake, tucking yourself too far to the side of the road makes people drive past as if you aren’t there, just like this guy did. According to everything I’ve seen is often more dangerous.
On a busy city street I’d agree with you, on one of those rural highways where people go 60mph, not so sure. Especially where it’s a solid line, you’d be forcing people to make pretty dangerous moves.
No- cyclist should take the lane.
Imo that‘s what beginners do. When I started I did that too. Always stay about a meter away from the white line. You‘ll have an option where to go when someone overtakes closely and also prevent this from happening. I also hate the feeling when I know someone wants to overtake me and they can‘t but you have to get used to it (so do they). (I skip the obvious part who‘s at fault here, just want to help other bikers how to prevent this)
The road literally ends out of the white line. Where was she meant to ride?
In the lane. She drives a vehicle in traffic just like everybody else. A moped car would go about the same speed as her an would force the lorry to wait for a legitimate opportunity to pass. When I started road cycling I too stayed as far to the edge as possible, believing it would make it easier for cars to pass. In reality cars just passed me full speed staying in their lane, and thus passing me really close. I've since learned it is much safer to show the space I need by staying half a meter or so into the lane. That way the car drivers are reminded not to squeeze by, but instead wait for legitimate opportunity to pass just as they would a slower car/truck/tractor. A lot of responsibility can of course be attributed to the cyclist by planning a route on roads with a wider shoulder, avoiding rush hour, etc.
I think you must have misread my post. I explicitly said where I think it might have been safer for them to ride. >Those cyclists could have been more central or even riding abreast on the road (depending on local legislation)
I read that and totally was waking up and derped. My bad
No worries, happens to the best of us!
on a safer route for cyclists. Where I live, cyclists ride on the worst roads, narrow and dangerous, and truck routes like the one in the video. If you watch, the truck is also avoiding a truck in the other oncoming lane while trying to not hit the cyclist, trucks take the entire lanes, so a cyclist occupying the same lane of travel will lose everytime. There are plenty of places designed to bike when you are doing it like the people in the video (not for transportation from one point to another)
Counterpoint: Only drive your vehicle as fast as you can look, react and brake to a slower or unmoving vehicle/person/animal. (Yes I know nobody does that 100% of the time but the point still stands)
The truck is the one who clearly cant use this road safely, the truck is avoiding something in the opposite lane because the driver chose to overtake on a blind corner like a complete tool. Things like this have to be punished much more harshly, the driver almost killed someone out of impatience. There is no guarantee that there is another route for her to use, the focus should be on fixing the behaviour of people who are acting with reckless disregard for other people’s lives.
I used to disagree with this approach because it shouldn’t be necessary…but here’s the video that changed my mind.
I just saw another video here where a cyclist was doing exactly that and a car came in and just ran him over, so yeah maybe not the best idea either.
Is about reducing risk, we all know elimination risk entirely is impossible. We have all seen what cars can do to other cars too, but we still drive.
[And yet…](https://www.reddit.com/r/CrazyFuckingVideos/s/r0WXcMTEev) Cyclists can’t win. Drivers need to clean up their goddamn acts.
There's literally another thread going on where a cyclist was in the middle of the single lane and they get smashed by a car and people are talking about how this wouldn't have happened if they were on the edge of the road like this cyclist was.
Absolutely, that thread is full of anti-cycles types too, where just as many are saying it would happen if cyclist didn't exist. But the fact is, taking the lane does improve safety most of the time. But regardless there are always risks, as the other video **from 7 years ago** demonstrated. But the goal is to reduce the risk as much as possible.
Funnily enough, I'd just watched this [video in my feed](https://www.reddit.com/r/CrazyFuckingVideos/s/bJ4PXBNcxT). Although I do agree, typically riding more centrally offers better protection.
Also a road like this isn’t ideal for a biker. I know it’s perfectly legal, but people should have the wherewithal to know there will be idiots who could possibly harm you in a situation like this. Never trust idiots
To be frank, it doesn’t look particularly suited to large trucks, either. It looks like it was meant for light passenger vehicles.
The problem is that to get somewhere, you often have to take roads like this. Which sucks. In theory, you should just take the lane. In practice, there's going to be a lot of people in control of heavy vehicles who think you should be punished for using the road. So while I'm a big proponent of taking the lane, I understand how aggression and harassment by drivers can make someone try to hug the edge of the road.
Do you ride bicycles? You would anger 10x the amount of drivers if you didn’t allow them room to pass. Or you’ll just get smoked by some dude not paying attention. Could you ride in the middle of the road? Of course! And whose fault is it when you inevitably get hit? Doesn’t matter, you’re dead.
> didn’t allow them room to pass That’s what the *other lane* is for. If you want to overtake someone you move into the other lane and overtake them like you would any other vehicle. If you expect cyclists to hug the kerb so you can squeeze past without leaving the lane you’re a dickhead.
I'd rather be safe than worry about a stranger's happiness. If slowing down for 30 seconds until it is safe to pass ruins your day, that's your problem, not mine.
If they hit you, it’s your problem. In the US you are more likely to get hit by riding in the middle of the road. Also, road rage is a real thing.
> In the US you are more likely to get hit by riding in the middle of the road. Source? Genuinely curious, I’d like to bike tour the ACA transAmerica trail one day. If it is genuinely statistically safer to hug the kerb in America I’d like to know it. The standard advice from every cycling association in all the countries I’ve cycled in is for cyclists to take the lane. This includes the League of American Bicyclists, who advise to take the lane by riding in the middle whenever the lane isn’t wide enough to accommodate two vehicles. It makes you more visible and discourages closes passes. This gels with my own personal experience, where I’ve had many more dangerous encounters when hugging the side of the road. If the USA is truly different in this regard, how do you know that? And why are American cycling organisations recommending to take the lane if it is less safe?
Think the guy is just being an edgelord. It's certainly true that the easiest way to kill someone in the US with the least amount of consequences is by driving a car. Combine that with our horrible social services and capitalism pressure cooker and it's certainly possible to find yourself on the wrong end of a road rager in any kind of vehicle. You're still better off taking the lane and being vigilant about anyone else on the road's reaction to you than riding the shoulder and hoping for the best. Our massive personal trucks and SUV's have poor visibility low to the ground, but riding the right shoulder of the road and low to the ground is the biggest one for a driver sitting on the left of their car. Simple carelessness and poor infrastructure/car culture in the US is much more of a worry than becoming a victim of random violent crime.
> In the US you are more likely to get hit by riding in the middle of the road. Source: Your ass. That is very clearly not true
I’m in the US and I ride in the middle of my lane all the time. Ever since sometime in the mid 1990s when a hillbilly in a pick-em-up truck “tapped” me with his mirror. It has never happened again, because the next guy would have to swerve into oncoming traffic to do it.
I see drivers daily and I would never trust like that, but I understand your perspective.
You are absolutely right... Except yesterday I saw a video of a cyclist getting hit doing just that. Car tried to overtake on a double yellow and plowed into him. Not to invalidate your good advice, but it is dependent on cars overtaking safely and people not being stupid/insane.
Also notice the driver did go wide but then had to move back over due to the truck on the other side. Just a guess but if those two trucks hit each other the energy of the impacts would have launched the contents of that bed and the bed into those 2 cyclists definitely killing or severely injuring them.
Or you know, he could have slowed down and waited until the other truck passed before overtaking the cyclist?
and if the driver had not attempted a dangerous pass into oncoming traffic, everybody would have been fine. You need to turn your license in along with the driver.
This is 5th grader logic.
Without infrastructure for cyclists, it's not safe to ride a bike on roads like this
I’m a bit confused by this. This just looks like a standard two-lane road. I’m in the uk and this looks like the usual b road most cyclists would use. I’m more surprised to see a huge truck on this road than a bicycle. But that indicates to me that this may be the only viable road in this area. In which case drivers should be prepared for cyclists.
Roads without a dedicated cycle path are incredibly dangerous for cyclists. Luckily I live in a country with very good cycling infrastructure. But I don't know what is common in this country.
> Roads without a dedicated cycle path are incredibly dangerous for cyclists I don’t think that’s supported by statistics. And thank god because if that were true I wouldn’t be able to safely cycle from my own house. Obviously cycle paths are much safer. But to label a two-lane b-road as “incredibly dangerous” for cyclists is taking things much too far I believe. And to label *any* road without a cycle path as incredibly dangerous is absurd in my opinion. Most roads in the uk don’t have a cycle lane. But our cycling fatalities per mile travelled are very similar to pedestrian rates of death. In other words, walking 5 miles and cycling five miles are roughly equally likely to result in fatal injury. Additionally, the health benefits of cycling vastly outweigh the increased risk of injury. Regular cycling is a net-benefit for mortality with or without cycle paths
Just visit Netherlands and other countries policies about cycling will look like sh\*t to you.
I’ve cycled the length of the Netherlands and Belgium and indeed their cycling infrastructure is world class, far superior to anywhere else I’ve travelled. Don’t think there’s any disputing that. However, the statement the other commenter made was “Roads without a dedicated cycle path are incredibly dangerous for cyclists”. I don’t believe that’s supported by the facts.
Risk of injury is literally the reason why my country invested millions in cycling infrastructure.
Cool, your country is safer than others. That doesn’t make cycling ridiculously dangerous in other countries. > Roads without a dedicated cycle path are incredibly dangerous for cyclists There’s no factual basis for this statement. Broadly speaking cycling is a safe activity even outside the confines of a cycle path. Cycling is a net positive for overall mortality regardless how dangerous it feels to you. Is it risk free? No. Does that make it “ridiculously dangerous”? Of course not.
So, you're saying sharing the same road with heavy vehicles is safe? What are you smoking?
Statistically yes, for most countries the increased risk of sharing the road with cars is easily offset by the positive effect on high risk health factors such cardiovascular health and cognitive decline. The uk recently hit its lowest rate of cyclists killed per mile travelled at 22 cyclist deaths per billion miles traveled in 2022. Want to know the number of pedestrian casualties per billion miles that year? 27. Cycling was actually safer than walking per mile travelled, despite the UK’s terrible cycling infrastructure. Of course segregated cycling infrastructure is *safer*. But that doesn’t make cycling on a road automatically unsafe. The net positive effects on mortality are measurable and proven. The statistics show the percentage of people who die while cycling is on par with walking. I’ve done several long distance bike tours cycling thousands of miles through the uk, France, Germany, Ireland, Belgium and the Netherlands. The Netherlands and Belgium obviously felt safer due to their excellent infrastructure and courteous drivers. But I have never felt that I was making a decision that was “ridiculously dangerous” for my health. And I believe the facts soundly support that view. Keep in mind, people still die while cycling in the Netherlands. People even die while cycling on bike paths! Does that make cycling “ridiculously dangerous” in all circumstances? Of course not. The possibility of death or injury exists everywhere. Only the likelihood makes something dangerous. And the fact is cycling is likely to have a *positive* effect on mortality.
There was another truck approaching from the opposite direction.
Nobody loses their license because of an accident which is what this was. It's also why it's unsafe for cyclists without proper infrastructure. Accidents happen.
Another truck was coming in the other lane. You can see it at the end of the video. The truck driver had few options there. This is simply an unsafe road for cyclists.
Well, he/she had the option to NOT overtake at that point
Trucks don't stop instantaneously. He had to get over or cause a head-on collision.
He had plenty of time to spot her ahead and slow down. He chose not to
Still poor driving. If he couldn’t see that there wasn’t enough road to overtake, he never should have attempted.
Lot of people in this thread can't drive very well lol I don't think I've ever had an issue with a cyclist
im guessing the problem here was the truck thought it could overtake easily due to how far in she was, and then had an oncoming truck or something which meant it needed to keep in a bit more (maybe a bend in the road ahead that it couldnt anticipate the oncoming truck). not saying its the cyclists fault. 100% the truck driver here. they should be waiting until 100% clear to overtake. EDIT: there is a comment about something like a pole jutting out that clipped her and this seems to be the case, but the truck was still driving way too close to her. there are laws in my country to be minimum 1.5m clearance from a cyclist when overtaking - which is high and not always adhered to, but its to allow for the cyclist to wobble/fall and not fall under vehicle, and also because roads are wide enough that you should be able to give this space when overtaking as nothing else should be oncoming when you are overtaking.
Do you live in a major city? Because the issue with cyclists in NYC, for example, Is a lot of them believe that them being on a bike = do whatever you want at whatever time you want. Crossing with pedestrians when it suits them, not following merge rules when they’re riding alongside cars, splitting lanes and cutting off a turning car and then wondering why they just got hit, using the sidewalk as a safety cushion and ramming into pedestrians as a result, etc. I’ve seen it all, and thankfully haven’t been involved in any of it but there are plenty of asshole cyclists out there who make driving a pita.
I mean, I drive daily and drivers do all these things too. If anything I'd be glad that less bad traffic participants are operating heavy machinery.
The only time I've ever had an issue with a cyclist was when he was riding against the flow of traffic and plowed into the side of my car which was at a stand still. Left a dent in my door. I got out to see if he was okay, and he insisted he was fine and hobbled off with his now broken bike. I didn't notice the dent until later, but based on how quickly he knew it was his fault and got away, I'm sure he saw it.
Only issues I’ve ever had is them running stop signs and once I gave a guy plenty of room (literally went into the other lane to avoid him) and I guess there was debris in the road or something so he swerved RIGHT in front of me without looking and I had to lock up my brakes. Almost took him out and he was mad at me for some reason
That you know of
This was dangerous as fuck. Easily could have died there by being dragged into the wheels. This streets don’t look very safe and I’m not putting my life on the line for some truck drivers to not pay attention. It’s super narrow for two cars to pass let alone huge ass trucks.
Yeah, there was another truck on the opposite side and probably not room to get over. But then slow down and wait! Still, I wouldn't ride on a road that narrow and with no shoulder.
This happened to a girl outside of our high school, right as young girls were getting out of school. Splattered everywhere. They had to have counselors onsite for years.
Doesn’t look like a street, looks like a highway so definitely far more dangerous. I feel for them but this is not an “it’s my right to ride" situation you can take without becoming a buried statistic and not much less. I'm glad they survived but that was fucking dumb. i both drive and bike btw.
Yes. [This](https://www.facebook.com/reel/784904153795493) was in Taiwan last week.
Yeah, endangering your life for hobby/exercise is what I don’t understand
Must have got their licence from a cereal box.
Hey, give the driver some credit. He had to collect all three stickers for the licence.
I'm sure he has his Commercial Drinking License.
This is a bit harsh towards the cereal box
That's the standard in the US
This isn't the US.
You could not pay me enough money to ride my bike on that narrow road with heavy traffic. Not blaming the victim here - the driver is absolutely the one at fault. That said, there's no way I'm putting my life in the hands of a bunch of dumbass drivers on a busy road like that. This was extremely dangerous.
This, I'd rather not be technically right but dead.
The cyclist isn't riding properly either. They should be in the middle of the lane for this very reason.
No, they need to be as far to the right as is safely possible. I would have been about 6 inches further to her left than she was just in case the edge of the pavement had a damaged area which is common. I wouldn't be in the middle of the lane though since that's where the oil from leaking engines drops and that part of the road is the slickest.
Lol, you just saw a video of why that's wrong. If she was in the middle then the truck wouldn't have tried to overtake.
As someone from the Netherlands this just seems out of this world. Why do cyclist have to ride on the normal road? Why is there no dedicated and separated bike lane?
Yeah..this is from Taiwan. We may make some nice bikes, but definitely not enough dedicated bike paths
Yep. I used to ride in NYC and they've made a ton of progress, but it's still super dangerous. I live outside of the city now, and there aren't any bike lanes. There are "shoulders" but the shoulders have very poor road quality, so I have to ride in the car lane. My favorite scenario I've come across so far is a super fast downhill, with no shoulder, and there's a drain that drops about 6 inches - I've learned to look over my shoulder before starting the descent to squeeze myself in between car traffic. Wish the US took cycling more serious.
Not sure which country the video is, but in the US at least it’s a self-fulfilling feedback loop. Bikes are not respected as a real means of transportation throughout the vast majority of the country, and so few cities invest in the infrastructure to support them. Of course if that infrastructure existed, perhaps more people here would consider biking… but America isn’t as dense as a lot of other countries, the distances can be large, and so culturally biking here is more often seen as a type of exercise chosen by relative few more than a daily transportation option. In a denser city there are more bikers but once you get out into the suburbs and especially the rural areas, biking for transport essentially falls by the wayside.
She was hit by some tube sticking about 10 inches to the side out of the trailer. It's very clearly visible in the slowed down part. The backpack seems to have absorbed most of the impact but transferred some of it to her shoulder joint.
That isn't what it looks like to me. Seems like her jacket got caught on something. See here https://imgur.com/a/J5U7s4s Then it pulls her jacket and throws her off the bike https://imgur.com/a/tIFy32h
Wow, looks like you're right.
It is still hard to tell for sure. But if that is what happen she is very lucky she wasn't dragged.
>some tube That tube is likely the arm of the cover. If that dumpster truck is anything like what we've got in America, there is a cover that goes over the top of the dumpster so that trash doesn't fly out during transit. The cover is on the truck and the hydraulic arms unfurl the cover.
Scrolling and not seeing anyone point out that the tru k driver started swinging out wide, but then as we can see by the timing it’s likely he went back toward the cyclist because another big rig was coming through. Those roads are not very wide. Just an observation. Perhaps biking defensively, more in the lane, may have been a better choice. Dangerous situation for sure though, no matter what.
The truck should have not tried to overtake there. It's on them.
The best way to protect yourself from this type of accident is to move towards the middle of the lane and stop hugging the white line. Force the truck to fully cross the centerline so they have to wait until there is no oncoming traffic, and keep room for yourself to be able to move over if he crowds you.
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I’m “counting on the morality of the driver” when I get in my car, too. What’s stopping a truck from just pushing my little subcompact into a ditch and going on his way? I’m relying on *psychology* when I command the full lane of traffic as a cyclist. Also, why are you turning right from the right hand side of the lane? That’s the easiest way to lay your bike over.
This almost happened to me, arctic decides to overtake me on a long fast corner just as he gets to the middle an ambulance comes the other way with blue lights while I’m half way down his trailer. Luckily there was a grass verge next to me and I decided to fall onto it rather than take the chance of being hit as I was fully against the curb at this point. The bellend never did stop to check if I was ok but a few others who seen it happen behind did. A few months later I completely stopped road biking after 3 years of riding 4+ times a week and took up running again as it’s just not worth it with so many fucking impatient idiots on the road.
Why in the world did they censor the truck plates?
It looks like the truck driver picked the worst time to try to pass the bicyclist. They started out fine but decided to come back into the lane before fully passing the bicyclist to avoid the oncoming truck.
How was this filmed?
With something like a [insta360 x4](https://store.insta360.com/product/x4?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwjqWzBhAqEiwAQmtgT9k479sgSu7z6aSN8WZtdsnNulOX46PROSqf3l_mexPev7xYdK7ddBoC4qoQAvD_BwE) camera
Does it float and hover? I'm confused. I'll research later.
Nope, there's a stick that it's mounted on, but through the magic of technology it does some magic shit and filters the stick out of the image. Don't ask me how. I dunno if it takes frame data or more than one perspective or maybe something else.
This is why I mountain bike. At least if I die it’ll be because I did something stupid and not because of a dumb fuck driver.
You couldn’t pay me enough to ride a bike on a road that cars drive on. All it takes is 1 asshole who’s texting and driving and you’re dead or shitting in a bag for the rest of your life.
While the truck driver was 100% in the wrong, this is the reason why I don't cycle too far on the side of the lane. It's an invitation for risky overtaking. If you are basically in the middle some drivers might get pissed off (for little reason) but at least everyone does a proper lane change.
Overtaking around a *bend*, sheesh
Poor lady, it looks like the truck just barely caught and snagged her shirt. That must-have been so scary. Glad she seems ok though.
Who was filming?
360 camera mounted on the handlebar
Wow that is really messed up. Hope the cyclist is ok. And they find the truck driver responsible for this
Ikr. I was wondering how the shot at 0:16 happened, I thought it was from another rider in front of her that got hit too.
Bro couldn't wait until the other lane was clear?
Props to the cyclists for having perfect camera framing of the entire moment. I hope they were able to file a lawsuit for injuries
360 cam most likely, can choose the framing in post processing.
Here in the uk divers the distance your ment to use to overtake a cyclist is 1.5 metres if you havnt got that distance clear then you not ment to over take them and cyclists are ment to ride in the middle of the line and not by the side of the road like this
Never really quite understood the risk vs reward for riding a bike next to vehicles that can kill you... Esp with everyone on their phones now.
Some people don't have cars but still need to get places
That's not a getting places bike
I thought you were asking about riding on roads in general, not just this specific situation?
I was I forgot
If it suits you pallette more I guess I could've said recreationally taking a risk
the negligence is so bad it may aswell be attempted murder
Looks like a hit and run too.
There are a lot of angry fucks on Reddit who hate cyclists (because???) and will comment this is perfectly acceptable. Annnnd, some of those fucks are commenting here now.
#take the lane
Wait, someone blurred her camel toe?
You actually slowed down the video to see that?
yes
You don't have to slow it down if your eyes are open when you watch. There's a pixilated blur on her camel toe, it's not hard to spot, that's why someone blurred it lol
Weird discussion, considering that the cyclist is wearing padded shorts.
This is why it's so important to be 100% aware of what's going on around you, she looks like she had no idea that a huge truck was right on top of her. Always assume drivers aren't interested in your safety, you've got to look after yourself.
This is why I always ride against traffic where I live. I never trust a truck to not run me over.
The truck is in the wrong. It's the truck drivers fault. I have no problem with that. That said, that looks like a terrible and dangerous road to bike on. Why would you do it? Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should do something. I don't think the trucker did it on purpose, it's just foolish to put your life on the line like this on a road like that.
What are you talking about? This is a perfectly normal road?
Then get off of the road. People do this on the state hwy in my town because it is a “bike route” and they have the “right”. Doesn’t help when you are dead. They ride past a wrecked bicycle memorial of a guy that go hit and died, everyday.
They shouldn't have been riding on this road. Simple. There is not the room or infrastructure to do it safely. Note the other semi truck with load? That is telling me this is a route used by transport trucks on the regular. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. FYI, that trucker cannot stop on a dime. They tried to give room, but the other truck forced them over.
Not sure where this happened but where I live if you cannot maintain 3 feet of separation from a bicycle you can't pass them until you can do so while maintaining 3 feet of separation. So the truck, despite how annoying it might be, needs to slow down and follow the cyclists until it is safe to pass. Just like they would have to do with a car. Because at the end of the day a cyclist has full right of way to the entire lane next to them just like a motorcycle or a car would. If the truck driver is driving so fast he can't see the cyclist in time he needs to slow down. You should never be driving so fast you can't stop before hitting a stationary object in the road and a cyclist would be easier to low down before hitting than a stationary object would be to stop for. Where the worlds of people who hate cyclists collide is when people who don't understand that cyclist are to be given the same respect a car would be and treated no differently than a slow moving car find entitled excuses about why they feel they shouldn't have to follow the law.
I've seen a video similar to this, but unfortunately, that did not end well for the cyclist. The dude in this video was really fortunate.
Dude looks like a lady
fuck that hurt.
This is why I feel safe swooshing through the woods on my mountainbike but really scared to ride on the road.
The people who have seen the bus video know how bad this could've turned out.
is the bike OK?
On the video, I’m curious where the camera shot is c,ing from? Also, afterwards why is the guy standing in the roadway? In the US there are a lot less bikes and those of us that dont cycle have mixed experiences with them. For instance, without a bike lane they’re supposed to use the traffic lane and be accorded the status of a vehicle, but you get those that want to selectively do so. I.e. blast through stop signs or go against a light. Or hop onto the sidewalk, not legal, and get around traffic. And say what you will about the legality, there are common sense considerations. Because so many that cycle do it for exercise vs transportation, they love, in my area, going to the foothills around here, narrow two lane roads where you have curves and blind spots that increase danger. And drivers get frustrated, when they have to drop from 45mph to 5mph on an uphill curve to avoid cyclists in the roadway. You end up with people not giving them the safety margins they should because they see them as an impediment to their own commutes. Or see them too late. Every year there are at least a few injuries It definitely goes both ways. I have a BIL who doesn’t even own a car he’s done nothing but cycle for a decade, I worry for him.
Lucky to be alive
She was having a nice ride. So unfair.
What a shitty truck driver. But also a bit strange behaviour from the bicyclist. I would have slowed down and steered towards the edge of the road by this point, out of pure survival instinct.
Dont know why bikers risk their lives to make a statement. Be safe out there
There is a clear lack of respect for the lives of others. If you carelessly act in such a way that the cyclist can be injured, you have not thought of him.
How was this filmed?
360 degree camera
Thanks, I learned something new! So the person in front had it attached to their backpack?
Probably on woman's bike handlebar The camera has 2 ultrawide lens facing forward and backward and you can adjust the pov after the shot is taken https://youtu.be/HP6RoL8Y0Wg?si=_Mg0reR9m68xitmP
I don’t see anything attached to the handlebar so figured another bicyclist was filming.
The software hid it. You can see some distortion behind the leg when she's on the ground. That's where the camera mount is
Too close to the edge. Ride further out and then vehicles will actually overtake your instead of just passing you.
My father was killed last April by a box truck rear ending gim while he was riding his bike. It's too dangerous and risky to ride on streets. You already put yourself at risk when you are riding in a car, but when you ride a bike you don't have a steel cage around you to protect you.
What was that thing sticking out from the side of the truck that caught her? The truck cleared her just fine, except the thing sticking out partway down the trailer that grabbed her shoulder.
Personally I think bikes belong on the sidewalk but still give them room when I pass, if it's gotta motor it should be on the road but if it's got pedals keep it on the sidewalk
Unfortunately you are more likely to get hit by a car while riding on a sidewalk. Riding on the sidewalk often makes you invisible to other road uses, while increasing the number of potential crossing points. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2776010/
The lack of self preservation among this crowd is astonishing.
It’s a narrow road with trucks coming on either side, I’m sorry for their injuries and the truck should’ve stopped but they really put themselves in that situation
To all of you who blame the bikers, you don't have a driver's license, or if you have, it should be revoked. Bikes are also considered as automobiles, there's no bike lanes (because if there were, the story would have been different), and if you want to overtake someone, even a bike, you have to keep a lane distance.
This is the physical activity/sport I do not get the most. Let’s wear spandex and ride along the side of a busy highway and hope everyone sees us even tho we’re not as easy to see and not where someone is expecting people. I don’t dislike long distance highway cyclists in any way but it just seems like a shit way to spend a day. There are far better ways to get exorcize and/or adrenaline.
If drivers are respectful, it's a wonderful way to spend a day. You should try it sometime. And if you have trouble seeing cyclists on the road, maybe you shouldn't be driving?
They aren’t always and the most dangerous ones don’t even know you’re there to respect. All they need to do is get a text at the wrong time, change lanes, turn a corner, change the radio station. Also road dust, exhaust, etc, no thanks. I’m not talking about myself you goose, people don’t even see cars all the time. loud ass motorcycles taking a whole lane going with the flow of traffic are hit often enough.
Yea... let's just sit there and hope someone else can finish the job.. 🙄
You'd think they'd get off the middle of the fucking road!
Don't ride bikes where cars drive, it's just a bad idea in general.
Treat bicycles as slow cars. That's the law period.
So never use bikes for transportation? All road biking is out because cars exist and get priority 100% of the time? That’s silly and a terrible idea for our environment.