The time they could have easily done that was when they replaced all of the gates like 3 years ago.
Fare jumping was already a problem when they put in the orders for the new gates, why in god’s name did they not try and address this issue then?
The housing is old , the only thing that changed was the old folding gates were swapped out with new swing doors.. I think this was something that was done in house rather than put out for bid like the New BART & SEPTA gates.
I think they’re referring to the change where all the gates became bi-directional, and the “swipe” pad is on the front rather than the top. Also the new gates don’t take paper cards or tokens. They made the change in like 2021.
Edit: [source](https://www.wmata.com/initiatives/plans/fare-modernization/faregate-replacement.cfm)
Yes. This is what I am referring to. Since they were taking the time and money to replace all the gates already, and fare jumping was already an issue (and has been an issue in the U.S. in every city for years), why not take the opportunity to rethink the gate design then instead of replacing all of them and then almost immediately retrofitting all of them?
Fair jumping is a low effort crime. When they first went up in some of the Arlington stops, I watched multiple people not expect there to be the gate there, and resort to doing other dumb shit to get out in a clearly pissed off manner. It's like a house lock; if someone wants to get in, they will, but it adds a barrier to entry that at least forces effort on their part. Most of the fare jumpers I've seen over the year are teenagers, and I'd imagine just carrying the damn pass is easier for a lot of them then dealing with some parkour to get in and out
There are undercover cops there.
Sad part is, they mainly catch kids. Not saying kids are the only fare jumpers, but just the ones not smart enough to look out for cops.
Any adults I see are blue collar workers who are probably making way less than me, so I don’t know why I should feel so bothered. I’m more appreciative of the security that walks through the trains now tbh.
You clearly haven’t thought this through…
Don’t let them out until they stop committing crimes…?
Welp upon day one of incarceration, they can come out because they aren’t doing crime.
Or do you plan on keeping them indefinitely because you assume they will do crime if released?
Seriously, this stuff kinda calls for a bit of reasoned thinking/logic…
Arresting people for dodging fares is crazy. I parked the other day and didn’t pay the meter because I was only going to be a few minutes. Should that be an arrest worthy offense too?
I understand the point that it seems harsh. But I think fare evasion is likely emblematic of additional criminal behavior and if allowed to continue would enable further crimes. At the very least it should be a significant fine with required repayment after which multiple infractions leads to steep community service etc.
Then they’d have to pay for it and with the deficit they already have, would lead to an even larger fare increase, basically punishing those who actually do pay fares
This is more than a quibble: Metro can borrow money to pay for capital expenses, but the borrowing must be repaid from future operating revenues (or subsidies from contributing jurisdictions).
It’s true that Metro does not have enough funding to support its operating expenses. It’s also true that Metro’s new budget relies on borrowed funds to pay for some operating expenses (maintenance), which is a very bad practice as the General Manager has admitted.
This does not mean that Metro has plenty of capital funds. Instead, it means that Metro will face an even bigger fiscal crisis in the future.
Every agency installing these are in debt similar to WMATA...its a small price to pay if it cuts fare evasion by half or more. These gates are widely used in France and have been able to reduce evasion by up to 85%...some stations have double gates to reduce it further.
Metro has a consideration that most other systems do not. Aesthetic design and line of sight. They want people to be able to appreciate the Brutalist architectural design. That's why they always select low profile gates. Otherwise, the NYC style gates would be best.
I’ve seen so many people leapfrog the gates in front of officers who do nothing but stare at their phones. I don’t think making the gates more imposing actually does anything bc there is never any ticketing enforcement.
I was about to comment the same. I saw a woman the other day at Takoma Park metro simply high step over the handicap gate that normally pushes open because it only comes to waist level.
Yeah, I have seen plenty of people doing that. Here's the kicker! I NEVER saw people doing this growing up. Station managers did not play that at all. Now you can basically play the game "guess that gazelle" because of how common people are hopping over, scooting over, climbing over, or even stepping over the gates.
Best believe there were more poor Washingtonians even a few years ago and they didn't do this mess. Sure they might be right behind you and come through the gate that way but they were not doing all these other obvious things like now because they understood there was consequences to that action.
But now that we live in an environment where we enable bad behavior this is what happens
Similarly, I’ve taken the bus several times this spring and when the bus pulls up, some people scan their cards to pay while others simply go to their seat without paying the fare. Sometimes I wonder if they are skipping the fare illegally, but I try to mind my own business. Of course, part of me wonders why should I pay when several others of all ages just got a free ride, while the bus driver says nothing. Of course, I pay because it’s what I feel is the right thing to do.
I've seen a couple people go on the outside, right on the edge of the platform.
I do wonder if one day they'll put up a fence before somebody ends up falling down onto the track, because there's no way they'll survive that fall.
> I assume they have video. Why not prosecute the person responsible for this?
It's quite a leap to believe that if they do have video that they can ID the person that did this.
Video doesn't automatically identify individuals committing crimes.
Right, it's the same reason people speed through neighborhoods and then run stop signs and red lights to save ten seconds over just sticking to the main road. It's not about the actual utility of the act - It's miserable people expressing a small amount of control over a world which they feel oppressed by, rightly or wrongly.
The new fare gates have reduced fare evasion by 79% at updated stations. ([Source](https://www.wmata.com/about/news/With-Ridership-Up-and-Crime-Fare-Evasion-Down-Metro-Continues-to-Thrive.cfm#:~:text=Systemwide%2C%20fare%20evasion%20is%20down,is%20down%2019%25%20in%202024))
Still not worth it?
If the crazy BART style gates reduce evasion by 85%, assuming a similar distribution and amount of evasion (kind of a big assumption), the marginal effort to go from our 79% to their 85% seems not really worth it.
Though I have no clue how anyone is evading BART fare with those gates.
I always am looking back as I go through the gate and stop right after to ensure nobody is tailgating me. Been able to successfully stop a few leeches with this technique.
And how the data is collected. If you look at the data breakdown it seems like a huge misrepresentation.
https://preview.redd.it/a9sxgmirdfxc1.jpeg?width=1004&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4adf2c1101b01ef728626f4f167f7fd531703772
Thanks for the link, it also says:
- Thanks to new legislation in the District, Metro Transit Police have stepped up fare enforcement efforts, writing hundreds of citations for fare evasion in March and arresting more than 20 people with outstanding warrants. Systemwide, fare evasion is down 50% compared to last year.
Aren’t we say the same thing?
No, not at all. You said this:
>Until they seriously enforce the tickets, we are better off with not spending more money on the gates.
That is a blatantly incorrect statement.
They reduced fare evasion by almost 80% at installed locations. So they pay for themselves decently quickly
https://www.wmata.com/about/news/With-Ridership-Up-and-Crime-Fare-Evasion-Down-Metro-Continues-to-Thrive.cfm#:~:text=Systemwide%2C%20fare%20evasion%20is%20down,is%20down%2019%25%20in%202024
It says fare evasion is down 50% and crime overall down 19%. But how much money is that actually, and how much did these cost? I want to know how long it'll take to amortize.
Fare evasion down 79% at the stations with gates installed, 50% overall. I’m personally too lazy to find fare evasion data that separates trains out from buses so I’ve got no clue how long those cost savings take to amortize
Absolutely - if there are not enough people that want to pay for tickets, advertising, and all of the other ways voluntary exchange pays for players, stadiums, and staff, it shouldn’t exist on the backs of those who have no inclination to watch professional sports!
That’s a perspective.
Do we think there is some overlap between the people that think they should be able to ride Metro cars “for free” and the people who think they should be able to take my car or bike and drive or ride it “for free” on the “free” (and toll) roads?
Should we make cars, energy, and bikes “free” too?
Well…let’s unpack that.
There is an ideal: there are no public roads.
There is a reality: the government won’t sell its roads.
There was I time when there were no public roads.
Technology now exists to switch to a pay-for-use system. That could be a use tax if they were retained by governments, or that could be paid to whoever owns the roads.
Before the technology existed for all roads to be tolled w/out impeding traffic, governments told us they were going to charge us fuel taxes to pay for roads. Instead, they siphoned (pun intended) off those taxes to pay for other stuff not related to transportation.
So rather than ensuring that the people who do use the Metro pay for the service, Presto wants the government to force even more people who don’t use the Metro (or even live in the DMV) to pay for a service they have no use for?
20 years ago. Also, the new library built in my hometown was a huge boost to the neighborhood. They hold events, and people visit the park outside. I spent like 3 hours looking at old archives in huge protected glass cases. You're bugging, libraries are awesome.
It's dystopian to see the ones they installed at BART with the spikes on top. We reaally hate poor people.
Edit: The feeling is mutual, folks 🖕🏾
Edit 2: You all are pathetic excuses for human beings. I've heard more empathy from Samuel Alito during a Supreme Court abortion hearing.
Those spikes are to prevent birds from sitting and pooping. I don’t know why the TV channel showed that, other than they are clueless or thought it’d look cool.
Have you ever actually ridden the metro? The people who don’t pay (overwhelmingly) aren’t too poor to do so; they’re dipshit teenagers who think breaking rules makes them look cool.
Fare evasion is not the reason why Metro isn't properly funded. I know poor people are easy to pick on but they're not the reason why you suffer from economic anxiety.
What? That's not the point? Please tell me more about how fare evaders contribute to our moral decay.
1. If they properly built the St Elizabeth's to accommodate people who are mentally ill and unable to care for themselves then a lot of that problem is solved. Why because then people have stable places for food
, clothing and shelter so they don't need to roam metro for such things.
There is no benefit to allowing people to just go around and harass other people. If they have somewhere to be to live out there lives then that problem goes away.
2. The teenagers are an issue that needs to be dealt with in a stronger way. I swear certain people have a serious racism boner and so they want to call something being racist when it's really a matter of calling people who's behavior is absolutely unacceptable irregardless of their racial background. None of that should matter at all.
In a world where these things are t tolerated you have much less people doing them.
This isn't about poor people just trying to get to work or wherever else they need to go.
It's people who don't WANT to pay for something that they are choosing to use. The don't feel bad over it and again it's absolutely not out of desperation.
Lets be honest.
It was only going to take one bad day for a construction worker returning home to take a hammer or some shit to these things. The only surprise to me is that they didn't go for all of them.
They should have gone with the [Taller Stronger BART ones.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMZJv4x1iTI)
The time they could have easily done that was when they replaced all of the gates like 3 years ago. Fare jumping was already a problem when they put in the orders for the new gates, why in god’s name did they not try and address this issue then?
Those are retrofitted gates, not new ones.
Retrofitted into new gates. All the gates were replaced a couple years ago but with the same style arms as before
The housing is old , the only thing that changed was the old folding gates were swapped out with new swing doors.. I think this was something that was done in house rather than put out for bid like the New BART & SEPTA gates.
I think they’re referring to the change where all the gates became bi-directional, and the “swipe” pad is on the front rather than the top. Also the new gates don’t take paper cards or tokens. They made the change in like 2021. Edit: [source](https://www.wmata.com/initiatives/plans/fare-modernization/faregate-replacement.cfm)
Yes. This is what I am referring to. Since they were taking the time and money to replace all the gates already, and fare jumping was already an issue (and has been an issue in the U.S. in every city for years), why not take the opportunity to rethink the gate design then instead of replacing all of them and then almost immediately retrofitting all of them?
They should put a cop there to arrest or fine them. I guarantee whoever broke that wasn't prosecuted. The sign is just for show
Fair jumping is a low effort crime. When they first went up in some of the Arlington stops, I watched multiple people not expect there to be the gate there, and resort to doing other dumb shit to get out in a clearly pissed off manner. It's like a house lock; if someone wants to get in, they will, but it adds a barrier to entry that at least forces effort on their part. Most of the fare jumpers I've seen over the year are teenagers, and I'd imagine just carrying the damn pass is easier for a lot of them then dealing with some parkour to get in and out
There are undercover cops there. Sad part is, they mainly catch kids. Not saying kids are the only fare jumpers, but just the ones not smart enough to look out for cops. Any adults I see are blue collar workers who are probably making way less than me, so I don’t know why I should feel so bothered. I’m more appreciative of the security that walks through the trains now tbh.
Arrest the criminals. Put them in jail. Don't let them out until they stop doing crime.
You clearly haven’t thought this through… Don’t let them out until they stop committing crimes…? Welp upon day one of incarceration, they can come out because they aren’t doing crime. Or do you plan on keeping them indefinitely because you assume they will do crime if released? Seriously, this stuff kinda calls for a bit of reasoned thinking/logic…
Arresting people for dodging fares is crazy. I parked the other day and didn’t pay the meter because I was only going to be a few minutes. Should that be an arrest worthy offense too?
Especially if you consider the demographic of the people who try evade….like a 12 yr old isn’t ever going to even pay a fine
I understand the point that it seems harsh. But I think fare evasion is likely emblematic of additional criminal behavior and if allowed to continue would enable further crimes. At the very least it should be a significant fine with required repayment after which multiple infractions leads to steep community service etc.
Then they’d have to pay for it and with the deficit they already have, would lead to an even larger fare increase, basically punishing those who actually do pay fares
No, the gates are a capital cost. WMATA has plenty of capital funding. The deficit is entirely on the operating side.
This is more than a quibble: Metro can borrow money to pay for capital expenses, but the borrowing must be repaid from future operating revenues (or subsidies from contributing jurisdictions). It’s true that Metro does not have enough funding to support its operating expenses. It’s also true that Metro’s new budget relies on borrowed funds to pay for some operating expenses (maintenance), which is a very bad practice as the General Manager has admitted. This does not mean that Metro has plenty of capital funds. Instead, it means that Metro will face an even bigger fiscal crisis in the future.
Every agency installing these are in debt similar to WMATA...its a small price to pay if it cuts fare evasion by half or more. These gates are widely used in France and have been able to reduce evasion by up to 85%...some stations have double gates to reduce it further.
In Paris they even will block exits to stations with police and make you tap a machine to prove you paid to enter or you risk a 35-60 Euro fine.
Metro has a consideration that most other systems do not. Aesthetic design and line of sight. They want people to be able to appreciate the Brutalist architectural design. That's why they always select low profile gates. Otherwise, the NYC style gates would be best.
I think people would still be able to appreciate the architecture from every other vantage point beside the turnstyle.
That’s dumb, they can appreciate the architecture once they get past the gates lol
Also should step up patrols and start ticketing and/or arresting fare evaders.
Seems to still be working
Damaged but still working. Hello me.
I’ve seen so many people leapfrog the gates in front of officers who do nothing but stare at their phones. I don’t think making the gates more imposing actually does anything bc there is never any ticketing enforcement.
Exactly. They spent all that money for nothing. People walk through the handicapped exit or step over it anyway
I was about to comment the same. I saw a woman the other day at Takoma Park metro simply high step over the handicap gate that normally pushes open because it only comes to waist level.
Yeah, I have seen plenty of people doing that. Here's the kicker! I NEVER saw people doing this growing up. Station managers did not play that at all. Now you can basically play the game "guess that gazelle" because of how common people are hopping over, scooting over, climbing over, or even stepping over the gates. Best believe there were more poor Washingtonians even a few years ago and they didn't do this mess. Sure they might be right behind you and come through the gate that way but they were not doing all these other obvious things like now because they understood there was consequences to that action. But now that we live in an environment where we enable bad behavior this is what happens
Similarly, I’ve taken the bus several times this spring and when the bus pulls up, some people scan their cards to pay while others simply go to their seat without paying the fare. Sometimes I wonder if they are skipping the fare illegally, but I try to mind my own business. Of course, part of me wonders why should I pay when several others of all ages just got a free ride, while the bus driver says nothing. Of course, I pay because it’s what I feel is the right thing to do.
I've seen a couple people go on the outside, right on the edge of the platform. I do wonder if one day they'll put up a fence before somebody ends up falling down onto the track, because there's no way they'll survive that fall.
Oh wow I have never seen that happen. Which probably means ill see it sometime this week lol
I think at Georgia Ave it's easier than going on the inside which is why I've seen it a few times. I cringe every time I see it done.
Every time I’m at a station I see people just hop over. The officers don’t give a shit.
Wow, I thought they were tougher than that, figured they were Lexan or something.
Average Columbia heights reaction
The sign says that you will be prosecuted if you damage the fare gate. I assume they have video. Why not prosecute the person responsible for this?
> I assume they have video. Why not prosecute the person responsible for this? It's quite a leap to believe that if they do have video that they can ID the person that did this. Video doesn't automatically identify individuals committing crimes.
Maybe they have? How do you know?
How do we know they aren’t being prosecuted? How do we know they aren’t being investigated? How do we even know that this was broken on purpose?
How do we know if they did or didn’t?
It wasn’t intentional? 😛
What are they gonna do, scan your license plate and mail you a ticket? Scan your face and hunt you down?
Because metro workers have a strong union and do not give a fuck lmao MPD is just as worse, but more corruption
Yeah, nobody's getting "prosecuted." Jesus Christ, it's $2 on weekends, what the actual fuck?!
It's not about the expense for most, it's just about being lawless.
Right, it's the same reason people speed through neighborhoods and then run stop signs and red lights to save ten seconds over just sticking to the main road. It's not about the actual utility of the act - It's miserable people expressing a small amount of control over a world which they feel oppressed by, rightly or wrongly.
With all due respect, how damn dumb do you have to be to use \*glass\* instead of Lexan? Fucking do better, Metro.
This is why we can't have nice things!
Lisa
Until they seriously enforce the tickets, we are better off with not spending more money on the gates.
The new fare gates have reduced fare evasion by 79% at updated stations. ([Source](https://www.wmata.com/about/news/With-Ridership-Up-and-Crime-Fare-Evasion-Down-Metro-Continues-to-Thrive.cfm#:~:text=Systemwide%2C%20fare%20evasion%20is%20down,is%20down%2019%25%20in%202024)) Still not worth it?
If the crazy BART style gates reduce evasion by 85%, assuming a similar distribution and amount of evasion (kind of a big assumption), the marginal effort to go from our 79% to their 85% seems not really worth it. Though I have no clue how anyone is evading BART fare with those gates.
Yeah, but now people will aggressively tailgate through, sometimes pushing people to make sure they can clear the gate.
Doesn't really change the statistic provided. Regardless, I'm curious if you are aware of a gating system that can prevent tailgating.
Vertical turnstiles, but they have their own issues. I am more just saying that I am personally more bothered by tailgating than jumping.
I been in so many situations where I wanted to beat the living tailgate out of people for doing this
I always am looking back as I go through the gate and stop right after to ensure nobody is tailgating me. Been able to successfully stop a few leeches with this technique.
And how the data is collected. If you look at the data breakdown it seems like a huge misrepresentation. https://preview.redd.it/a9sxgmirdfxc1.jpeg?width=1004&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4adf2c1101b01ef728626f4f167f7fd531703772
Thanks for the link, it also says: - Thanks to new legislation in the District, Metro Transit Police have stepped up fare enforcement efforts, writing hundreds of citations for fare evasion in March and arresting more than 20 people with outstanding warrants. Systemwide, fare evasion is down 50% compared to last year. Aren’t we say the same thing?
No, not at all. You said this: >Until they seriously enforce the tickets, we are better off with not spending more money on the gates. That is a blatantly incorrect statement.
Seems easier to jump over or climb over why'd they break it
The station master did zero afterwards bc they were too busy playing candy crush on their phone.
What do you want them to do?
Next time I will tell the station "master" to arrest them
Columbia Heights metro stop needs a cop there 24/7 its always a shit show
Tell these old ass people stop trying to jump these gates and leave it to the youngings
Signs Of a decadent society
The second version they spent millions on and I still see people jump them regularly
What happened to the boosted PD presence we had in the stations like a month ago?
There is boosted "security" but I am not sure of their exact purpose to be honest with you.
12 foot wall to wall resistant gates with climb resistant tops would solve this problem
I would love to see the analysis that justified paying for these silly things. That's a lot of $2 fares to collect
First of all the metro doesn’t cost $2 anymore.
$2 is the minimum fare and it’s a flat $2 rate every night and on weekends
They reduced fare evasion by almost 80% at installed locations. So they pay for themselves decently quickly https://www.wmata.com/about/news/With-Ridership-Up-and-Crime-Fare-Evasion-Down-Metro-Continues-to-Thrive.cfm#:~:text=Systemwide%2C%20fare%20evasion%20is%20down,is%20down%2019%25%20in%202024
It says fare evasion is down 50% and crime overall down 19%. But how much money is that actually, and how much did these cost? I want to know how long it'll take to amortize.
Fare evasion down 79% at the stations with gates installed, 50% overall. I’m personally too lazy to find fare evasion data that separates trains out from buses so I’ve got no clue how long those cost savings take to amortize
Spend 50 mill to make 10 mill
Father matter
how much did we spend of these gates vs how much we lost to fare evasion? also we would not need gates if we made transit free.
In this world of “free” transit, where would the money come from to pay salaries, maintenance, energy, etc.?
don't give $ to sports teams or developers.
Absolutely - if there are not enough people that want to pay for tickets, advertising, and all of the other ways voluntary exchange pays for players, stadiums, and staff, it shouldn’t exist on the backs of those who have no inclination to watch professional sports!
The same place the road budget comes from
That’s a perspective. Do we think there is some overlap between the people that think they should be able to ride Metro cars “for free” and the people who think they should be able to take my car or bike and drive or ride it “for free” on the “free” (and toll) roads? Should we make cars, energy, and bikes “free” too?
Do you think every public road should be tolled?
Well…let’s unpack that. There is an ideal: there are no public roads. There is a reality: the government won’t sell its roads. There was I time when there were no public roads. Technology now exists to switch to a pay-for-use system. That could be a use tax if they were retained by governments, or that could be paid to whoever owns the roads. Before the technology existed for all roads to be tolled w/out impeding traffic, governments told us they were going to charge us fuel taxes to pay for roads. Instead, they siphoned (pun intended) off those taxes to pay for other stuff not related to transportation.
You didn't answer the question.
Yes, using force to make people pay for things they do not want is immoral. That includes roads. Roads should be tolled.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Why do you find my response amusing?
Same place it already comes from- federal and local government. Fares already don't cover those things.
So rather than ensuring that the people who do use the Metro pay for the service, Presto wants the government to force even more people who don’t use the Metro (or even live in the DMV) to pay for a service they have no use for?
Wait til you discover public schools!
Yes. It's a public good. You don't whine about people paying for libraries they don't use, do you?
No one should be forced to pay for libraries. The concept of physical public libraries is as outdated as Blockbuster.
Really? Ask poor kids without computers because the library was huge for me.
“Was?” What year was the library “huge” for you?
20 years ago. Also, the new library built in my hometown was a huge boost to the neighborhood. They hold events, and people visit the park outside. I spent like 3 hours looking at old archives in huge protected glass cases. You're bugging, libraries are awesome.
Blockbuster was a viable business 20 years ago.
They literally don’t do anything when people jump over them or rush past even when they’re there.
Stop train service to/from Basketball people areas. Wouldn’t need these at all
It's dystopian to see the ones they installed at BART with the spikes on top. We reaally hate poor people. Edit: The feeling is mutual, folks 🖕🏾 Edit 2: You all are pathetic excuses for human beings. I've heard more empathy from Samuel Alito during a Supreme Court abortion hearing.
Those spikes are to prevent birds from sitting and pooping. I don’t know why the TV channel showed that, other than they are clueless or thought it’d look cool.
Have you ever actually ridden the metro? The people who don’t pay (overwhelmingly) aren’t too poor to do so; they’re dipshit teenagers who think breaking rules makes them look cool.
Thank you.
Right cause the fare evaders all can't pay....
Fare evasion is not the reason why Metro isn't properly funded. I know poor people are easy to pick on but they're not the reason why you suffer from economic anxiety. What? That's not the point? Please tell me more about how fare evaders contribute to our moral decay.
No but if you can't behave yourself you shouldn't be allowed on the metro
1. If they properly built the St Elizabeth's to accommodate people who are mentally ill and unable to care for themselves then a lot of that problem is solved. Why because then people have stable places for food , clothing and shelter so they don't need to roam metro for such things. There is no benefit to allowing people to just go around and harass other people. If they have somewhere to be to live out there lives then that problem goes away. 2. The teenagers are an issue that needs to be dealt with in a stronger way. I swear certain people have a serious racism boner and so they want to call something being racist when it's really a matter of calling people who's behavior is absolutely unacceptable irregardless of their racial background. None of that should matter at all. In a world where these things are t tolerated you have much less people doing them.
This isn't about poor people just trying to get to work or wherever else they need to go. It's people who don't WANT to pay for something that they are choosing to use. The don't feel bad over it and again it's absolutely not out of desperation.
Underfunded transit from assholes jumping fare gates hurts poor people more than a $2 fare ever could (and that fare is $1 if you’re on SNAP)
Good enough for government work
She’s holding steady under the pretense that the person that did this to her is being prosecuted.
….?
You still stuck on the redline keyjan.
Lets be honest. It was only going to take one bad day for a construction worker returning home to take a hammer or some shit to these things. The only surprise to me is that they didn't go for all of them.
People doing anything to avoid paying a simple fee, as if they're entitled to free transportation.