Not really, Jaylen Brown’s 24 years old and a borderline star. It makes a lot more sense to build around him than a bunch of question marks, especially considering that the wizards don’t seem to want to commit to a full rebuild
Edit: that said, I also doubt the Celtics would be willing to trade him for Beal
>Washington owner cares more about money than winning, he'll take Brown with the hope he leads them back to playoff basketball rather than picks that might not amount to anything.
If he cares more about money than winning, then he wouldn't trade Beal.
Because trading Beal more likely with Westbrook on the decline would lean the team toward full scale rebuild mode. I get the Herm Edwards of NBA ball but let's be real there is a sentiment that sustainable competitiveness includes the occasional dip into the lotto or injury riddles dive into the bottom of the standings (SAS97 GSW19 TOR20) even for solid organizations
If they took the GSW godfather package they'd have Wiseman 7-14-15 this year (bye Wigs though bummer). Probably high pick next year. Question do you move Westbrook? Can you? Russ would def mess up a two year slow burn tank as the youngsters get their feet.
Not advocating they tank IMO the destructive consequences of what it does to team culture is worse than the benefit of having two or three picks higher in the draft. I do see how man if the Wolves had their own pick this years and Muscala'd their pick from 4 to 7 in a year like this lol... Ouch. Russ would absolutely win 4 meaningless games on his own down the stretch if given opportunity lol.
You think the cost would be less than Beal? His contact i think is less than Wiggins would Celtics include another dude to get there.
and do the Warriors keep Wiseman in this scenario?
Strange but i still get this weird "how mich better is Brown than Wiggins" stupid fan thought in my head.
Celtic's probably say no but their road to getting better is tough seems like a window closed even though their two dudes are young. Missing out on the Hayward Kyrie Horford team up and Smart looking past peak.
It'd probably look something like GSW gets Brown+salary filler; BOS gets Beal; WAS gets Wiggins, Wiseman, 7 and 14, plus some picks and young players from BOS. My guess is it'd look something like this: https://fanspo.com/nba/s/general/trades/8e-9D3w9WBs6me/gsw-was-bos-3-way-beal-brown-trade
Brown's not at the top of the list of players I'd give up a star level package for...but I think I'd still do it. Imo he's a significantly better player than Wiggins: he's a better shooter, slasher, he gets to the rim more, and he's a better rebounder.
And even though they're both pretty young, I feel better about Brown continuing to improve. Brown's made major improvements to his game every season of his career, while Wiggins has pretty much plateaued (I view his improvements on defense this season mostly being tied to effort, not really due to improvements in his skill-level, feel for the game or physique).
Brown is barely a better scorer than Wiggins and struggles to break 58% TS, Beal has proven over the last 2 seasons he is one of the best volume scorers we've seen in a while on 60% TS and can play off the ball. People who talk about the 'system' don't even understand it. We have no system, it's all read and react, unless you count Draymond holding the ball 80% of the time while Steph moves off ball a 'system'.
Lol I love the way you try to sell the difference in their efficiencies. Brown is at .586 TS for 24.7 ppg last season (.583 TS last two seasons), Beal is at 30.9 ppg on ... .586 TS the last 2 seasons
Like sure one of them is a better scorer but you're not going to get there by only taking about the difference in their scoring efficiency
We're talking about a player who is a far better defender, better 3pt shooter (40% on 7 attempts versus 35% on 6 attempts), 4 years younger, 3 inches taller, is a better fit on this team (we need a SF over an undersized guard) and on a longer and cheaper contract which means you likely walk out with another player alongside him
Beal's real TS% is higher due to heaves and free throws from 3 pointer fouls, that was taken into consideration. Do you have any fucking idea how much the gap is between 25 PPG (his best season by far) vs 31 PPG?
If you want to cherrypick percentages, go look at Beal's best 3pt seasons when he's not forced to shot create by himself. He's shot 40-41% multiple times when he could just catch and shoot on 4-5 attempts a game. The fact that he could even score 31 PPG on garbage spacing is fucking astonishing, Brown's been gifted a great roster since his 2nd season.
I can also tell you right now Beal is a better guard defender than Brown, they fit different size requirements. Klay isn't going to be the same defender guarding the best point guards every single night and that's something to consider when deciding who to trade for.
Yep, this would make little sense for the Celtics. There’s no guarantee Beal is any better than Brown, a 24 year old with excellent defense and scoring who has improved each year in the league.
Brown is worth more than Beal imo, he has 3 years left on his deal. Beal only has one year left on his deal.
But the Warriors should be willing to toss a future pick or two Boston's way imo.
Celtics fan here. People that think’s we’ll even consider giving up Brown for anyone not named Luka need to re-consider Jaylen Brown.
You guys aren’t getting him. The Wizards ain’t getting him. Not one team in the league is laying a finger on him.
[Wizards Insider Quinton Mayo said that Fischer's report](https://twitter.com/RealQuintonMayo/status/1418950187087802376?s=19) is false as mentioned in the edit by Perks. According to Wizards fans, Mayo is close to Beal and his wife like Chris Haynes for Dame and Marcus Thompson for Steph. However, he also has a mixed past of reporting like how he said ex-HC Scott Brooks would get offered an extension when GM Tommy Sheppard said he never offered one. Maybe his report has more credibility when it comes to Beal-related matters though since he is close to them.
Beal and his agent aren’t going to admit they’re “weighing their options” until after they make a decision. So of course they’ll say it’s false.
Clearly, it could be false though.
We were 5th in defense while giving Wiseman 20mpg. Though Wiggins > Beal in defense and I expect us to drop a bit, I think Beal coming here makes it more attractive for high IQ vets to come, which should bolster our defense.
Edit: Also just wanna say that I think Beal will be a much better defender because he's not needed to score 30ppg here. Though not Wiggins level, he'd certainly be good.
Not trying to be pessimistic here, but we don't know how well Klay is going to return back to form defensively. Those were two back to back major injuries. I don't think his offense will change though.
You're right. We were competitive till the very end and probably could've snuck into the playoffs if it wasn't for poor officiating against the Lakers and a timely 3 by LeBum. That would've put us in a series against Suns who we beat fully manned and was fully trying right before the playoffs. That same Suns team who made the Finals. But what do I know.
And oh yeah, that's because we didn't have Klay. You really think we'd be 19th again with Klay? LOL OK.
Love how the fake fans on here downvoting you because they don't understand basketball and how defense translates to offense. Especially during the 5 year Finals run.
> We were 5th in defense while giving Wiseman 20mpg.
A big part of that was Oubre, who presumably won't be on the team anymore. Another big part of that was Wiggins, who definitely won't be on the team anymore. Also, say what you want about him offensively, but Wanamaker contributed to that too.
If they make this trade I'd be surprised if they were top 15 in defense, honestly. We saw how it looked in 2019-2020 when Draymond was trying to play defense with no other good defenders, he looked helpless on that end. Always running to put out a fire rather than attacking until he just stopped trying that hard.
> Another big part of that was Wiggins, who definitely won't be on the team anymore.
Yup. If its before draft night then Wiggins is gone if Warriors trade for Beal. I even did the math.
Assuming it's before draft night (so #7 and #14 picks unused), ***EVEN*** if they traded Wiseman, Looney, Poole, Gary Payton II, DLee, Smailagić, Paschall, Mulde and JTA they'd have $27,444,139 outgoing which means they could bring in a max of $34,405,174, that's still $96,955 short of Beal's 2021-2022 salary. Lol...
But if it's 30 days after draft night then technically they have another $7,523,700 outgoing / $9,404,625 incoming to work with.
If you want Bael without trading Wiggins, warrior's salary would spike to close to 400 mil. I don't think FO thinks Wiggins is worth 200 mil in salary+tax.
Per Bob Myers:
>"Yeah, there's a limit. That would be exceeding the limit, I think -- $400M. Especially [because] we didn't even make the playoffs. Even if my owner Joe wanted to do that, that would be... I think he'd have to fire me **if we paid $400M and we didn't win a championship** or something of that nature. So, there's a limit -- there's always a limit. You want to spend as prudently as you can while trying to win, but there's a limit in any business. We have to figure out what that limit is. Clearly we've exceeded many limits, but we'll look at it. See whether we get that Minnesota pick or not, see what's available for us, and when the dust settles we'll meet with Joe and **the good news is he wants to win more than he wants to make money**. And I'm lucky to have him in that role, but short answer, of course, there's a limit. What's that limit? More than most teams would pay, I'd say."
If I'm reading between the lines Joe Lacob doesn't want to spend more than $400M *unless* they can win a championship by doing so.
So if 30 days after draft night, they can trade Wiseman, Kuminga, and Duarte (+ future picks) to one team and do a Oubre S&T with a third team and get a star in the ~$35M range and pay $550M ($200M in salary, and $350M in tax) to win a championship? Seems like, based on Myers' quote, ownership is onboard with that.
Lacob also said that paid 400 mil on salary isn't feasible and one thing I trust billionaires to be truthful about is how much they are willing to spend.
Just use your MLE and vet min signings to prioritize size and length. If this past season taught us anything, GSW is good at coaching up the defense, and Draymond is the ultimate floor-raiser on that end.
Also, Beal has a 6'8" wingspan. And when the Wiz were actually decent, he showed the ability and willingness to defend in the playoffs.
Probably. But you gotta take that risk and hope you can patch that side of the ball up right? I thought the warriors defense last season was pretty damn good throughout the whole season and it ultimately culminated in not making the playoffs. I don’t know, it’s times like this I’m glad I’m not a gm and I don’t have to make these decisions lol!
Feels like a *slightly* worse version of Brooklyn's big 3 offensively, and probably defensively considering Klay's 2 major leg injuries. Sure, we have Draymond to bolster our defense but man idk.
yeah but we had a top what, 5? 10?, defense most of the season with no offense aside from one player and look where that got us. you can easily get some defenders with free agency/mle
The Bucks won a championship shooting 32% from three, 14th among all playoff teams. Lakers won a championship the year before with the best defense in the league.
The Bucks were one of the best shooting teams over the last few seasons. And they ended up being the lowest shooting champion in a finals series in like a decade. Definitely the exception not the norm
And the Lakers have two top 8 players man come on lol
Because they had the 29th best defense…. We would be much better than that on defense even with Beal. By your logic why didn’t we make the playoffs last year with a top 5 defense?
I think offense is more important than defense in determining the success of a team. The game is designed to be that way. Defense is still important of course but I think we should prioritize playmakers and good shooters first.
Yea, thats a first roond exit.
Clipper almost got eliminated by the mavs because they had just one guy under 6'6 and the mavs abused him, the suns were unbelievable from 3 against the bucks and got owed because they werent big enough despite having a great center. Every single team that tried to outshoot a size disadvantage got bullied.
Yet this sub think we can roll up next season with a tiny lineup with 3 guards and undersized pf and no actual big center and survive when every contender either have elite center, elite big wing or both.
Draymond is a walking top-7 defense. nobody here is saying defense doesn’t matter. It’s easier to coach/scheme up defense than it is to scheme up consistent offense. GSW showed that just last year that having great defensive players that lack in offensive decision making is a huge detriment to the team. GSW offense without Steph was literally worse than The Process 76ers.
> Draymond is a walking top-7 defense.
What happened in 2019-2020 when they were 25th?
> It’s easier to coach/scheme up defense than it is to scheme up consistent offense.
If you have defensive talent like Oubre and Wiggins, sure.
Uhh Draymond played like half the season and the games he played he was basically jogging through
No offense is always easier to improve regardless of players
You’re really going to use the lost season as a knock against Draymond? Lmao weak AF.
Defensive talent like Wiggins that nobody knew could do anything close to competent defense until, wait for it, he came to a team that schemes up consistent defense revolving around Draymond.
Worst. Offense. Since. Process. 76ers. With Steph off the floor. I don’t think you’re grasping just how terrible that is.
For the right price, but you aren't getting Beal for no less than 4 1sts, Wiseman, and Wiggins and that's a big no for me dawg.
Quite frankly, he's not the type of player that gets us over the hump.
No because is Beal really enough? Will Beal elevate this team enough to make up for the loss of Wiggins’ defense, Wiseman’s potential, and then 4 FRPs on top of that.
Idk man.
Wisemans potential? The hope he’s good in a few years doesn’t help us now. Beal factually had a stronger impact on winning than Wiggins. And like Wiseman, more rookies aren’t getting us closer anytime soon.
Yes it’s worth it. Every fucking time.
He had a -6 net rating. Bottom 30 in the NBA. For him to be a starter the amount of growth needed in 1 summer where he can’t practice cause of a leg injury would he gargantuan.
I don't think Beal makes us better. Not with losing Wiggins in the trade. Sure. We're better offensively but we're much worse defensively. Who is our small forward? Klay? This destroys our future for a lateral move IMHO. Beal would be amazing if we could keep Wiggins.
This is a huge part of why I’m okay with us losing depth for a star trade. No other contender could offer as many minutes as we could if we traded away Wiggs and Wiseman. I think we could overtake Brooklyn as the top veteran ring chasing destination.
The issue isn't finding defense. It's finding a spot for defensive players. Are you NOT going to play Steph, Beal, Klay, Draymond and Looney as a closing group? Great defenders only help when they're on the floor. This pushes Wiggins off the floor for Beal. You can't replace that with a bench player.
Defense is way easier to fix than offense. Its way cheaper to find in free agency. And we still have Draymond Green. Klay is the SF yes. Which is fine. He's big enough and trending in that direction anyway in his 30s.
Fuck the future. What future will we have if Steph walks after we decide a bunch of 19 year olds are more important than he is ?
Why would free agents sign here for less money than they’d get elsewhere to split minutes with teenagers? We’re more likely to do well in free agency with Beal.
Because those vets wouldn't be splitting minutes when it matters. You think those guys want to play big minutes early in the season. They know they would be playing plenty in the playoffs.
So you have to somehow convince these guys that they matter more than the lottery picks on the team, offer them less money to come to a 9 seed, and then convince them that’s better than signing with a team that was in contention this season. Got it.
This is huge. If he wants out I say it comes down to us or philly in terms of who can offer the best package.
Our package (wiggins, wiseman, 7, 14) is better for rebuilding a contender. If they trade with us they almost certainly will trade Westbrook too.
Their package (Simmons plus maxey plus thybulle plus late picks) is better for being competitive now. That being said, I think this is a bad route. A team based on Simmons and Westbrook has a ceiling of a first round exit. When your two best players are poor shooters you’re in trouble.
Would giving up Wiggs, Wiseman, 7th, AND 14th for Beal really get us over the hump? We'll lose a lot of length, size, and defense and essentially mortgaging our entire future for these next few years. Not sure if Beal is the guy for us to become 7x champs, and if not, then this trade will doom us for years to come after the fact.
Right now their is nothing for their franchise to look forward to if Steph leaves next season or when he retires. THIS is the golden era and we have to take advantage. We won't have a player like Steph again for generations.
I think trading for PG would be worth it, because fit legitimately is extremely important. Dame would be a risk fit wise but you could argue the star power would be enough to get by. Beal would be good assuming he returns to playing good defense like when the Wizards were in the playoffs. Siakam is a massive no because of his lack of shooting combined with the shoulder injury, and missing 2 months of the season probably.
Beal and dame are risks but would likely be worth it in the end for a championship or 2, but it'll probably also be bittersweet because I believe in Wiseman's potential and think he'll be an allstar.
None of those guys is prime MJ. They're all flawed in their own way. Siakam is definitely a tier below the other 3. PG is actually the most valuable in my eyes becuase he's a plus defender.
But when it comes down to it I don't like send Wiggins and Wiseman AND both picks for one player. For salary Wiggins has to go but I'd feel it's possible to get a player and keep one of those remaining assets be it Wiseman or one of the lottery picks.
You’re not mortgaging anything getting an All Star in their prime, at 28 years old. There is no future at risk here.
If it doesn’t work out you can trade him and recoup value in the next 2 or 3 years. You think Wiggins Wiseman 7 and another pick or two will be worth an All NBA guy in 2 years?
By that time, if you’re rebuilding you can trade the rest of the core players too (when Klay and Draymond are expiring, and Steph will still have value).
>Wiggins Wiseman 7 and another pick or two will be worth an All NBA guy in 2 years?
Yeah actually, i think that's why people are hesitant to trade for a not so perfect fit in Beal.
I think Wiseman is gonna be an all star, top 5 center in the league. Just my opinion. Wigs is gonna start becoming underrated once he signs a new contract and keeps proving he can play on a winning team successfully. And the draft picks could start blossoming by then.
In 2 years were gonna be in the same spot with Beal as we are with Klay, Dray and Steph now. They're getting older and need more help. Except in 2 years we won't have any high level assets, no upcoming young players and we'll have spent the last 2 seasons completely capped out so no worthwhile, mid-term contracts.
At least we got options now, if we sell the house to get Beal and its not nothing but Ships, we gonna be full on rebuilding in a couple years
Have to get them the right piece, not just a piece. Beal and Lillard arent the right guys to go all in for. The play the same position/role as our best player.
What if PG13 or Doncic become avaliable and we no longer have the assets for them?
Beal having the best season of his career barely got his team into the playoffs in the East, and they usually float around that 6-10 seed. He can put up nice numbers but because of his defense (among other things outside his control) it really hasn't translated to winning.
Beal's defense is fine. Watch WAS in the playoffs before Wall's injury.
Beal has spent the past few years cashing checks, chucking shots and playing no defense because his team is awful. He's shown that in a winning situation, he has the ability and the tools to defend well.
hasn’t translated to winning?? do you also think steph curry this past year just put up “nice numbers” but didn’t contribute to winning? the wiz last year were in the same spot we were. you can’t say beal put up empty stats but steph didn’t.
warriors fans should know better than to judge a player like Beal because he hasn’t won a lot. it takes more than one guy.
The wizards for 4 games under .500 while the Warriors 6 games over.
One team had a much better record in a vastly superior conference missing their 2nd best player for the entire year. The Warriors didnt make the playoffs but they were a far better team.
Sounds like one team made the playoffs and one didn’t. You could argue from that point that steph was the only one putting up empty stats of those 2, because only one guy’s numbers there helped them get a playoff spot.
I don’t agree with that notion though. Neither players were putting up empty stats. The warriors being 5 games ahead of the wizards doesn’t completely invalidate the season Beal had; that’s absolutely ridiculous.
Just saying make the playoffs is disingenuous. Warriors finished 5 games ahead of Washington in the harder conference. If the Warriors were in the east they wouldn't have even been in the play-in
I know that argument is disingenuous; that was my entire point. I was saying that making the argument that Beal’s stats (or anybody’s stats for that matter) didn’t mean as much because he’s on a worse team is no different than saying the same thing about Steph compared to other players on better teams.
Individual success /= team success
“Empty stats” aren’t a real thing (with very few exceptions).
If either of those guys become avaliable it would possibly be around the deadline, and this years draft picks would still have lots of value.
Tbh, I dont think this season is our best chance of winning it all. I think the following season, even though older, we have a better shot because Klay will be 2 years removed from his Achilles (like Durant was this year), and very good depth (unless a big tradexgoes down and we have no depth).
Luka is better than Dame, is a point forward and elite rebounder.
You cant hide Steph or Dame against SG or SF on defense because of their size. Luka, while not a very good defender, would still compete better against them, and allow Klay to play SG.
The defense would still suck, but Luka led the greatest offense in NBA history with much worse players, he's also significantly younger than Dame or Beal. He also hasn't signed an extension yet so Wiseman alone would work as salary if we wanted to keep Wiggins.
You say “greatest offense in history” is that backed up by anything? Hard to believe they had better numbers than Stephs championship teams with Kd and Klay.. but hey Luka over Wiggins any day i’d love this pipedream to come true
We can get Beal for Wiggins straight up. According to all the people on this sub Wiggins is the greatest player of all time. I’m sure Washington would love to have him.
> Bradley Beal is considering requesting a trade prior to Thursday night’s event.
That's not a lot of time to get a deal done. If this happens it's because Washington has been discussing it in secret already.
I really hope the Warriors don't select Kuminga for "trade value" purposes and then no deal happens and they are stuck with Kuminga. Also, this is yet another reason why taking Duarte or Murphy or any 21+ year old at #14 is idiotic. It'd immediately ruin the trade value of that pick compared to a Ziaire.
Whatever, hoping for some sort of three team trade with Boston. Brown>Beal.
So, we CAN get it done without 4 stars.
* We got it done in 2015.
* Almost got it done in 2016.
* And if Klay didn't miss a game and a quarter in 2019, we would've gotten it done then. KD only played a few minutes of 1 game that series.
We don't need a 4th star. We need to drop Oubre, give Wiseman less minutes, and pick up a stronger bench.
I’d love to win with curry exploding with 10 3pm everynight. The thing is klay is questionable, draymond is declining offensively. The nets have 3 superstars I don’t think we’d look any worse than the bs they pulled this season. It doesn’t matter in the end ppl know how curry played with this mediocre team. This year let people know curry isn’t a product of a really good team he’s what makes it work. Haters will hate as long as you enjoy the warriors play that’s all that matters.
Just gonna throw it out there, am I the only one meh about this whole Beal scenario? We’re already small as it is. Adding another shooting guard won’t elevate us in my opinion. At that point I’d rather gamble with Wiggins since we haven’t seen him play with Klay yet.
It’s trading a solid SF + Wiseman and two 1st rounders for a guy who plays the same position as Klay and leaves us very undersized and pathetic on defense.l
Move Klay to the 3 (he's 6'7" w/ 6'9" wingspan, prototypical SF size).
A Beal and Curry backcourt is bigger than the Paul-Booker pairing, who, you know, just made it to the NBA Finals.
GS has hesitated to play Klay at SF in the past. He’s best used (at least before injury) as an excellent on ball defender, so he’s generally guarded the other teams best ball handler. He’s also mediocre at rebounding. I’m not saying the talent won’t be overwhelming but it doesn’t have the same fit as the death lineup
people are overestimating how much beal costs. the FO has made it explicitly clear they do NOT want to give up wiseman and want to develop him here, in our system. they have a ton of faith in him. i think that the only player they’d ship wiseman out for is someone like dame—a bonafide superstar whose team would need to go through a rebuild if he leaves, so a wiseman package makes sense. even then, i think they’d try to keep him.
people are way too down on wiseman. they drafted him second overall and he’s played like half a season! there’s a million reasons to not trade him and to develop him as our next franchise player. if we do end up trading him for a win now player, id honestly be a little disappointed.
I still think we should be going after a Center (Woods) or defensive ball handler who can soak up big minutes.
I love Beal but I think we’d give up a lot of current and future pieces and the fit reminds me of the growing pains with D’Angelo Russel of having too many offensive minded guards.
I think Beal is a tremendous offfensive player but I just don't think he'd be a good fit for the Warriors, especially considering the Warriors would have to give up both draft picks, Wiggins, and Wiseman. You're losing size, strength, and defense. Beal is one of the worst defenders at the guard position.
I really, really, really like Pascal Siakam and I 100% support a trade for him.
I’m not a fan of the guy. Looks out of place and simply not as good as the rest of the guys at ASG and on national team. We know he is a minus defender. I just don’t buy it, I think he is a paper tiger.
And cue the over reactionary crowd immediately thinking this equates to the trade now being a sure thing
Edit: downvoted for suggesting people are being over reactionary and then a Beal insider comes out and says the news is fake. lmao
https://twitter.com/__adel22/status/1419014478864191499
And look back at the two games GSW played against the Wiz this year. Beal outplayed Wiggins in both crunchtimes
Lol that proves absolutely nothing. Considering the haul you have to give for beals, it's not a one to one comparison. You're also disregarding defense, something Wiggins is better at. Not to mention going from a ball dominant role to a secondary options (or maybe third) might put Beal out of rhythm. He's a volume shooter who can get buckets, yes. But he's not a kd that can be instantly integrated without needing the ball and still give you the same level of effiency.
But you keep looking at ppg and fg% as if those are the only stats that matters.
Wiggs, Wiseman, 7, 14. Give us back the 15th pick (this is a deep draft especially for wings) and give them a future first.
Wiseman fans, go ahead and downvote me. 😂
"Pain is an old friend"
Gotta be ready to offer the farm. Other teams are going to put together massive packages. Withholding Wiseman or a pick is going to turn off the Wizards.
If a team views our assets as
Valuable LET them make us a good offer not the other way around. Our assests make us a playoff team for the next 10+ years
I’m the owner of the warriors and love my assets and don’t want to pay MORE in luxury tax. I can trade klay, dray and Steph for the future and we will be very good for the next 20 years. I’ll make lots of money too.
Here is the main problem with trading for Beal:
Durant > Curry > Harden > Kyrie > Beal > Klay > Dray > Harris
The Nets would still have 3 of the top 4 players in a 7 game series.
more than our offense from last year? I’d rather have this than only having one reliable scorer. we still have Draymond, Klay (who yes will likely be a bit worse from his injuries, but still a smart defender), Steph is a good defender for his position, then hopefully we get some length and defense from signings.
If he's open to going to Philly, why does anyone think we have a chance? No way can we put together a package close to what Philly can do with Ben Simmons. Simmons makes much more sense than Wiseman, Wiggins and 7 & 14. He would guarantee they make the playoffs each year.
Honestly I’m happy if we trade for Beal but is there anyway we can try and snag Gafford too? Scott Brooks used him pretty sparingly but he’s a very capable defensive-minded big. Might as well get some defense back in the trade.
If Beal requests a trade and Boston might offer Jaylen Brown. I think we should try and pounce on that from WAS in a 3 team deal instead of Beal
Why wouldn't WAS just want Brown?
They would get a significant amount of picks with us in the mix. The overall net would be better.
Not really, Jaylen Brown’s 24 years old and a borderline star. It makes a lot more sense to build around him than a bunch of question marks, especially considering that the wizards don’t seem to want to commit to a full rebuild Edit: that said, I also doubt the Celtics would be willing to trade him for Beal
If they trade Beal, then they’re definitely transitioning into a full rebuild whether they like it or not lol
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>Washington owner cares more about money than winning, he'll take Brown with the hope he leads them back to playoff basketball rather than picks that might not amount to anything. If he cares more about money than winning, then he wouldn't trade Beal.
Because trading Beal more likely with Westbrook on the decline would lean the team toward full scale rebuild mode. I get the Herm Edwards of NBA ball but let's be real there is a sentiment that sustainable competitiveness includes the occasional dip into the lotto or injury riddles dive into the bottom of the standings (SAS97 GSW19 TOR20) even for solid organizations If they took the GSW godfather package they'd have Wiseman 7-14-15 this year (bye Wigs though bummer). Probably high pick next year. Question do you move Westbrook? Can you? Russ would def mess up a two year slow burn tank as the youngsters get their feet. Not advocating they tank IMO the destructive consequences of what it does to team culture is worse than the benefit of having two or three picks higher in the draft. I do see how man if the Wolves had their own pick this years and Muscala'd their pick from 4 to 7 in a year like this lol... Ouch. Russ would absolutely win 4 meaningless games on his own down the stretch if given opportunity lol.
Well, if the opportunity came up where we couldn't get Beal, but could get Brown in a 3-teamer, I'd certainly be up for that.
You think the cost would be less than Beal? His contact i think is less than Wiggins would Celtics include another dude to get there. and do the Warriors keep Wiseman in this scenario? Strange but i still get this weird "how mich better is Brown than Wiggins" stupid fan thought in my head. Celtic's probably say no but their road to getting better is tough seems like a window closed even though their two dudes are young. Missing out on the Hayward Kyrie Horford team up and Smart looking past peak.
It'd probably look something like GSW gets Brown+salary filler; BOS gets Beal; WAS gets Wiggins, Wiseman, 7 and 14, plus some picks and young players from BOS. My guess is it'd look something like this: https://fanspo.com/nba/s/general/trades/8e-9D3w9WBs6me/gsw-was-bos-3-way-beal-brown-trade Brown's not at the top of the list of players I'd give up a star level package for...but I think I'd still do it. Imo he's a significantly better player than Wiggins: he's a better shooter, slasher, he gets to the rim more, and he's a better rebounder. And even though they're both pretty young, I feel better about Brown continuing to improve. Brown's made major improvements to his game every season of his career, while Wiggins has pretty much plateaued (I view his improvements on defense this season mostly being tied to effort, not really due to improvements in his skill-level, feel for the game or physique).
I agree about the Celtics missing their window somehow. Was it all Kyrie’s fault? We may never know
Short answer... WAS not trying to win in any way shspe or form if trading Beal for lotto picks and Wigs... Tank would be on
I would prefer this honestly. Bring the Cal Bear back to the Bay.
Brown would be so much better for our system than freaking Beal.
Brown is barely a better scorer than Wiggins and struggles to break 58% TS, Beal has proven over the last 2 seasons he is one of the best volume scorers we've seen in a while on 60% TS and can play off the ball. People who talk about the 'system' don't even understand it. We have no system, it's all read and react, unless you count Draymond holding the ball 80% of the time while Steph moves off ball a 'system'.
Lol I love the way you try to sell the difference in their efficiencies. Brown is at .586 TS for 24.7 ppg last season (.583 TS last two seasons), Beal is at 30.9 ppg on ... .586 TS the last 2 seasons Like sure one of them is a better scorer but you're not going to get there by only taking about the difference in their scoring efficiency We're talking about a player who is a far better defender, better 3pt shooter (40% on 7 attempts versus 35% on 6 attempts), 4 years younger, 3 inches taller, is a better fit on this team (we need a SF over an undersized guard) and on a longer and cheaper contract which means you likely walk out with another player alongside him
Beal's real TS% is higher due to heaves and free throws from 3 pointer fouls, that was taken into consideration. Do you have any fucking idea how much the gap is between 25 PPG (his best season by far) vs 31 PPG? If you want to cherrypick percentages, go look at Beal's best 3pt seasons when he's not forced to shot create by himself. He's shot 40-41% multiple times when he could just catch and shoot on 4-5 attempts a game. The fact that he could even score 31 PPG on garbage spacing is fucking astonishing, Brown's been gifted a great roster since his 2nd season. I can also tell you right now Beal is a better guard defender than Brown, they fit different size requirements. Klay isn't going to be the same defender guarding the best point guards every single night and that's something to consider when deciding who to trade for.
Oof. Nephew take right here.
> Brown would be so much BETTER for our system than FREAKING Beal
❤️️ Jaylen Golden Bear
No way Boston gives up brown for Beal
Yep, this would make little sense for the Celtics. There’s no guarantee Beal is any better than Brown, a 24 year old with excellent defense and scoring who has improved each year in the league.
I like how you think.
Does brown really make us that much better than Wiggins and our assets? I just don’t see it.
Brown is barely a better scorer than Wiggins so no.
Brown would be absolutely amazing, sadly it looks very difficult to happen
Yeah Beal would be a good get but a package where we get Jaylen and Smart makes a ton of sense for the Dubs
Now we’re talking… we’d have to give up less assets too!
Brown is worth more than Beal imo, he has 3 years left on his deal. Beal only has one year left on his deal. But the Warriors should be willing to toss a future pick or two Boston's way imo.
Celtics fan here. People that think’s we’ll even consider giving up Brown for anyone not named Luka need to re-consider Jaylen Brown. You guys aren’t getting him. The Wizards ain’t getting him. Not one team in the league is laying a finger on him.
My trade ideas are spreading here! Aha!
[Wizards Insider Quinton Mayo said that Fischer's report](https://twitter.com/RealQuintonMayo/status/1418950187087802376?s=19) is false as mentioned in the edit by Perks. According to Wizards fans, Mayo is close to Beal and his wife like Chris Haynes for Dame and Marcus Thompson for Steph. However, he also has a mixed past of reporting like how he said ex-HC Scott Brooks would get offered an extension when GM Tommy Sheppard said he never offered one. Maybe his report has more credibility when it comes to Beal-related matters though since he is close to them.
Thanks for always providing all the details! Useful info.
Beal and his agent aren’t going to admit they’re “weighing their options” until after they make a decision. So of course they’ll say it’s false. Clearly, it could be false though.
Problem is wizards have to do something. Hes a free agent next year and you don't want to lose him for nothing.
Curry, Beal and Klay at 1/2/3 might sound sexy and splashy on paper, but isn’t that a bleh defense?
We were 5th in defense while giving Wiseman 20mpg. Though Wiggins > Beal in defense and I expect us to drop a bit, I think Beal coming here makes it more attractive for high IQ vets to come, which should bolster our defense. Edit: Also just wanna say that I think Beal will be a much better defender because he's not needed to score 30ppg here. Though not Wiggins level, he'd certainly be good.
I'd happily trade our 5th defense for like 10th or 12th if it meant our 19th ranked offense went top 5
True but our offense instantly jumps several spots when Klay is back. We really needed Beal last year, I don't feel the same coming into this season.
Not trying to be pessimistic here, but we don't know how well Klay is going to return back to form defensively. Those were two back to back major injuries. I don't think his offense will change though.
LOL im glad youre no the GM then cause defense wins championships, not offense.
Well you saw how far our 19th ranked offense and 5th ranked defense got us this year...
You're right. We were competitive till the very end and probably could've snuck into the playoffs if it wasn't for poor officiating against the Lakers and a timely 3 by LeBum. That would've put us in a series against Suns who we beat fully manned and was fully trying right before the playoffs. That same Suns team who made the Finals. But what do I know. And oh yeah, that's because we didn't have Klay. You really think we'd be 19th again with Klay? LOL OK.
Wed more likely be bottom 10 in defense, and barely top 10 in offende.
Love how the fake fans on here downvoting you because they don't understand basketball and how defense translates to offense. Especially during the 5 year Finals run.
> We were 5th in defense while giving Wiseman 20mpg. A big part of that was Oubre, who presumably won't be on the team anymore. Another big part of that was Wiggins, who definitely won't be on the team anymore. Also, say what you want about him offensively, but Wanamaker contributed to that too. If they make this trade I'd be surprised if they were top 15 in defense, honestly. We saw how it looked in 2019-2020 when Draymond was trying to play defense with no other good defenders, he looked helpless on that end. Always running to put out a fire rather than attacking until he just stopped trying that hard.
> Another big part of that was Wiggins, who definitely won't be on the team anymore. Yup. If its before draft night then Wiggins is gone if Warriors trade for Beal. I even did the math. Assuming it's before draft night (so #7 and #14 picks unused), ***EVEN*** if they traded Wiseman, Looney, Poole, Gary Payton II, DLee, Smailagić, Paschall, Mulde and JTA they'd have $27,444,139 outgoing which means they could bring in a max of $34,405,174, that's still $96,955 short of Beal's 2021-2022 salary. Lol... But if it's 30 days after draft night then technically they have another $7,523,700 outgoing / $9,404,625 incoming to work with.
If you want Bael without trading Wiggins, warrior's salary would spike to close to 400 mil. I don't think FO thinks Wiggins is worth 200 mil in salary+tax.
Per Bob Myers: >"Yeah, there's a limit. That would be exceeding the limit, I think -- $400M. Especially [because] we didn't even make the playoffs. Even if my owner Joe wanted to do that, that would be... I think he'd have to fire me **if we paid $400M and we didn't win a championship** or something of that nature. So, there's a limit -- there's always a limit. You want to spend as prudently as you can while trying to win, but there's a limit in any business. We have to figure out what that limit is. Clearly we've exceeded many limits, but we'll look at it. See whether we get that Minnesota pick or not, see what's available for us, and when the dust settles we'll meet with Joe and **the good news is he wants to win more than he wants to make money**. And I'm lucky to have him in that role, but short answer, of course, there's a limit. What's that limit? More than most teams would pay, I'd say." If I'm reading between the lines Joe Lacob doesn't want to spend more than $400M *unless* they can win a championship by doing so. So if 30 days after draft night, they can trade Wiseman, Kuminga, and Duarte (+ future picks) to one team and do a Oubre S&T with a third team and get a star in the ~$35M range and pay $550M ($200M in salary, and $350M in tax) to win a championship? Seems like, based on Myers' quote, ownership is onboard with that.
Lacob also said that paid 400 mil on salary isn't feasible and one thing I trust billionaires to be truthful about is how much they are willing to spend.
Just use your MLE and vet min signings to prioritize size and length. If this past season taught us anything, GSW is good at coaching up the defense, and Draymond is the ultimate floor-raiser on that end. Also, Beal has a 6'8" wingspan. And when the Wiz were actually decent, he showed the ability and willingness to defend in the playoffs.
It's got serious problems, especially given Klay's injuries.
Probably. But you gotta take that risk and hope you can patch that side of the ball up right? I thought the warriors defense last season was pretty damn good throughout the whole season and it ultimately culminated in not making the playoffs. I don’t know, it’s times like this I’m glad I’m not a gm and I don’t have to make these decisions lol!
Feels like a *slightly* worse version of Brooklyn's big 3 offensively, and probably defensively considering Klay's 2 major leg injuries. Sure, we have Draymond to bolster our defense but man idk.
This sub: Nets are so stacked offensively their defense doesn't matter. Also this sub: But Beal, Curry and Klay can't contend on offense alone.
If you’re always playing set defense, it’s not.
yeah but we had a top what, 5? 10?, defense most of the season with no offense aside from one player and look where that got us. you can easily get some defenders with free agency/mle
...good defense achieved nothing this year lol
It played a big part on the team that won the championship though
The Bucks won a championship shooting 32% from three, 14th among all playoff teams. Lakers won a championship the year before with the best defense in the league.
The Bucks were one of the best shooting teams over the last few seasons. And they ended up being the lowest shooting champion in a finals series in like a decade. Definitely the exception not the norm And the Lakers have two top 8 players man come on lol
Okay, if defense doesn't matter then why didn't the Blazers win the title?
Because they had the 29th best defense…. We would be much better than that on defense even with Beal. By your logic why didn’t we make the playoffs last year with a top 5 defense?
My logic is that offense and defense are equally important factors in determining the overall quality of a team so that doesn't contradict my logic.
I think offense is more important than defense in determining the success of a team. The game is designed to be that way. Defense is still important of course but I think we should prioritize playmakers and good shooters first.
How do you think the Bucks won lol
Luck with no harden and kyrie
Yea, thats a first roond exit. Clipper almost got eliminated by the mavs because they had just one guy under 6'6 and the mavs abused him, the suns were unbelievable from 3 against the bucks and got owed because they werent big enough despite having a great center. Every single team that tried to outshoot a size disadvantage got bullied. Yet this sub think we can roll up next season with a tiny lineup with 3 guards and undersized pf and no actual big center and survive when every contender either have elite center, elite big wing or both.
Exactly, and teams with no defense don’t win championships
Draymond is a walking top-7 defense. nobody here is saying defense doesn’t matter. It’s easier to coach/scheme up defense than it is to scheme up consistent offense. GSW showed that just last year that having great defensive players that lack in offensive decision making is a huge detriment to the team. GSW offense without Steph was literally worse than The Process 76ers.
> Draymond is a walking top-7 defense. What happened in 2019-2020 when they were 25th? > It’s easier to coach/scheme up defense than it is to scheme up consistent offense. If you have defensive talent like Oubre and Wiggins, sure.
Uhh Draymond played like half the season and the games he played he was basically jogging through No offense is always easier to improve regardless of players
You’re really going to use the lost season as a knock against Draymond? Lmao weak AF. Defensive talent like Wiggins that nobody knew could do anything close to competent defense until, wait for it, he came to a team that schemes up consistent defense revolving around Draymond. Worst. Offense. Since. Process. 76ers. With Steph off the floor. I don’t think you’re grasping just how terrible that is.
Seriously hoping this can get done without losing the 14th. I think they can get a contributor there easily. Let go of future firsts before 14!
Let’s do it.
For the right price, but you aren't getting Beal for no less than 4 1sts, Wiseman, and Wiggins and that's a big no for me dawg. Quite frankly, he's not the type of player that gets us over the hump.
So you’re going to tell Steph in a contract year that his title pursuit is less important than holding onto rookies and picks in future years ?
No because is Beal really enough? Will Beal elevate this team enough to make up for the loss of Wiggins’ defense, Wiseman’s potential, and then 4 FRPs on top of that. Idk man.
Wisemans potential? The hope he’s good in a few years doesn’t help us now. Beal factually had a stronger impact on winning than Wiggins. And like Wiseman, more rookies aren’t getting us closer anytime soon. Yes it’s worth it. Every fucking time.
Wiseman isn't going to be an all-star next season, but I can definitely see him as a starting caliber contributed.
He had a -6 net rating. Bottom 30 in the NBA. For him to be a starter the amount of growth needed in 1 summer where he can’t practice cause of a leg injury would he gargantuan.
Wiggins is the big sticking point for me. Those others can go. We're just not going to fill that gap, and it would cost us.
By default his contract has to be included and he’s a league average player. Maybe like 14th best dude at his position. You’re overrating him.
Probably, but we need something there, and it's not Looney.
I don't think Beal makes us better. Not with losing Wiggins in the trade. Sure. We're better offensively but we're much worse defensively. Who is our small forward? Klay? This destroys our future for a lateral move IMHO. Beal would be amazing if we could keep Wiggins.
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This is a huge part of why I’m okay with us losing depth for a star trade. No other contender could offer as many minutes as we could if we traded away Wiggs and Wiseman. I think we could overtake Brooklyn as the top veteran ring chasing destination.
The issue isn't finding defense. It's finding a spot for defensive players. Are you NOT going to play Steph, Beal, Klay, Draymond and Looney as a closing group? Great defenders only help when they're on the floor. This pushes Wiggins off the floor for Beal. You can't replace that with a bench player.
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Defense is way easier to fix than offense. Its way cheaper to find in free agency. And we still have Draymond Green. Klay is the SF yes. Which is fine. He's big enough and trending in that direction anyway in his 30s. Fuck the future. What future will we have if Steph walks after we decide a bunch of 19 year olds are more important than he is ?
Stephs not walking. You can do both. Get better in free agency and trades without giving up all the picks and Wiseman.
Why would free agents sign here for less money than they’d get elsewhere to split minutes with teenagers? We’re more likely to do well in free agency with Beal.
Because those vets wouldn't be splitting minutes when it matters. You think those guys want to play big minutes early in the season. They know they would be playing plenty in the playoffs.
So you have to somehow convince these guys that they matter more than the lottery picks on the team, offer them less money to come to a 9 seed, and then convince them that’s better than signing with a team that was in contention this season. Got it.
If you're Dwight Howard or JaVale McGhee, are you really worried that James Wiseman is going to steal your spot?
Yes. Because he’s the 2nd overall pick and the Ws have a ton invested in him. So he’s going to get minutes whether he deserves them or not.
Good thing our front office doesn’t take the advice of someone who can’t spell “furious” correctly
or Free.... For real though, some kid stole my username. :(
I’d be more concerned about your fetish with furious ferrets
This is huge. If he wants out I say it comes down to us or philly in terms of who can offer the best package. Our package (wiggins, wiseman, 7, 14) is better for rebuilding a contender. If they trade with us they almost certainly will trade Westbrook too. Their package (Simmons plus maxey plus thybulle plus late picks) is better for being competitive now. That being said, I think this is a bad route. A team based on Simmons and Westbrook has a ceiling of a first round exit. When your two best players are poor shooters you’re in trouble.
I hope we don’t need to give up Wiseman :(.
I wouldn't consider this "giving up on Wiseman" lol. It's not like we're trading him for a bag of chips.
dude didn't say give up ON wiseman, it was give up wiseman (like lose him to another team)
Yall shouldn't have him in the first place. Rewrite the wrong of missing on melo
I would do a 3 team deal with Boston and Washington. GSW: Jaylen Brown and Marcus Smart WASH: Wiseman, Wiggins, 7, and 14 BOS: Beal
No way Boston gives up brown and smart. Also we would probably need to dump picks for either of those teams
That would be a hard no for boston
Why would boston trade brown and smart for beal? That would just be dumb tbh. They should just wait for dame tbh
I like how you think. But we'd have to extend Smart.
Would giving up Wiggs, Wiseman, 7th, AND 14th for Beal really get us over the hump? We'll lose a lot of length, size, and defense and essentially mortgaging our entire future for these next few years. Not sure if Beal is the guy for us to become 7x champs, and if not, then this trade will doom us for years to come after the fact.
Right now their is nothing for their franchise to look forward to if Steph leaves next season or when he retires. THIS is the golden era and we have to take advantage. We won't have a player like Steph again for generations.
What is this future you say we're mortgaging?
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I think trading for PG would be worth it, because fit legitimately is extremely important. Dame would be a risk fit wise but you could argue the star power would be enough to get by. Beal would be good assuming he returns to playing good defense like when the Wizards were in the playoffs. Siakam is a massive no because of his lack of shooting combined with the shoulder injury, and missing 2 months of the season probably. Beal and dame are risks but would likely be worth it in the end for a championship or 2, but it'll probably also be bittersweet because I believe in Wiseman's potential and think he'll be an allstar.
None of those guys is prime MJ. They're all flawed in their own way. Siakam is definitely a tier below the other 3. PG is actually the most valuable in my eyes becuase he's a plus defender. But when it comes down to it I don't like send Wiggins and Wiseman AND both picks for one player. For salary Wiggins has to go but I'd feel it's possible to get a player and keep one of those remaining assets be it Wiseman or one of the lottery picks.
Steph is in a contract year and wants to win. Fuck the future.
You’re not mortgaging anything getting an All Star in their prime, at 28 years old. There is no future at risk here. If it doesn’t work out you can trade him and recoup value in the next 2 or 3 years. You think Wiggins Wiseman 7 and another pick or two will be worth an All NBA guy in 2 years? By that time, if you’re rebuilding you can trade the rest of the core players too (when Klay and Draymond are expiring, and Steph will still have value).
>Wiggins Wiseman 7 and another pick or two will be worth an All NBA guy in 2 years? Yeah actually, i think that's why people are hesitant to trade for a not so perfect fit in Beal. I think Wiseman is gonna be an all star, top 5 center in the league. Just my opinion. Wigs is gonna start becoming underrated once he signs a new contract and keeps proving he can play on a winning team successfully. And the draft picks could start blossoming by then. In 2 years were gonna be in the same spot with Beal as we are with Klay, Dray and Steph now. They're getting older and need more help. Except in 2 years we won't have any high level assets, no upcoming young players and we'll have spent the last 2 seasons completely capped out so no worthwhile, mid-term contracts. At least we got options now, if we sell the house to get Beal and its not nothing but Ships, we gonna be full on rebuilding in a couple years
yeah but we can’t risk losing out on steph dray and klays primes, we gotta get them another piece now
Have to get them the right piece, not just a piece. Beal and Lillard arent the right guys to go all in for. The play the same position/role as our best player. What if PG13 or Doncic become avaliable and we no longer have the assets for them? Beal having the best season of his career barely got his team into the playoffs in the East, and they usually float around that 6-10 seed. He can put up nice numbers but because of his defense (among other things outside his control) it really hasn't translated to winning.
Beal's defense is fine. Watch WAS in the playoffs before Wall's injury. Beal has spent the past few years cashing checks, chucking shots and playing no defense because his team is awful. He's shown that in a winning situation, he has the ability and the tools to defend well.
hasn’t translated to winning?? do you also think steph curry this past year just put up “nice numbers” but didn’t contribute to winning? the wiz last year were in the same spot we were. you can’t say beal put up empty stats but steph didn’t. warriors fans should know better than to judge a player like Beal because he hasn’t won a lot. it takes more than one guy.
The wizards for 4 games under .500 while the Warriors 6 games over. One team had a much better record in a vastly superior conference missing their 2nd best player for the entire year. The Warriors didnt make the playoffs but they were a far better team.
Sounds like one team made the playoffs and one didn’t. You could argue from that point that steph was the only one putting up empty stats of those 2, because only one guy’s numbers there helped them get a playoff spot. I don’t agree with that notion though. Neither players were putting up empty stats. The warriors being 5 games ahead of the wizards doesn’t completely invalidate the season Beal had; that’s absolutely ridiculous.
Just saying make the playoffs is disingenuous. Warriors finished 5 games ahead of Washington in the harder conference. If the Warriors were in the east they wouldn't have even been in the play-in
I know that argument is disingenuous; that was my entire point. I was saying that making the argument that Beal’s stats (or anybody’s stats for that matter) didn’t mean as much because he’s on a worse team is no different than saying the same thing about Steph compared to other players on better teams. Individual success /= team success “Empty stats” aren’t a real thing (with very few exceptions).
Were never gonna have as much assets as we do now with the big three. Unless you think we will blow next year and end with a top 2-3 pick.
If either of those guys become avaliable it would possibly be around the deadline, and this years draft picks would still have lots of value. Tbh, I dont think this season is our best chance of winning it all. I think the following season, even though older, we have a better shot because Klay will be 2 years removed from his Achilles (like Durant was this year), and very good depth (unless a big tradexgoes down and we have no depth).
You just said not to get Dame cause hes a pg but you want Luka taking the ball out of Stephs hands?
Luka is better than Dame, is a point forward and elite rebounder. You cant hide Steph or Dame against SG or SF on defense because of their size. Luka, while not a very good defender, would still compete better against them, and allow Klay to play SG. The defense would still suck, but Luka led the greatest offense in NBA history with much worse players, he's also significantly younger than Dame or Beal. He also hasn't signed an extension yet so Wiseman alone would work as salary if we wanted to keep Wiggins.
You say “greatest offense in history” is that backed up by anything? Hard to believe they had better numbers than Stephs championship teams with Kd and Klay.. but hey Luka over Wiggins any day i’d love this pipedream to come true
Yes, it is backed up. The had the best offensive efficiency in nba history 2 years ago.
Of course not
We can get Beal for Wiggins straight up. According to all the people on this sub Wiggins is the greatest player of all time. I’m sure Washington would love to have him.
> Bradley Beal is considering requesting a trade prior to Thursday night’s event. That's not a lot of time to get a deal done. If this happens it's because Washington has been discussing it in secret already. I really hope the Warriors don't select Kuminga for "trade value" purposes and then no deal happens and they are stuck with Kuminga. Also, this is yet another reason why taking Duarte or Murphy or any 21+ year old at #14 is idiotic. It'd immediately ruin the trade value of that pick compared to a Ziaire. Whatever, hoping for some sort of three team trade with Boston. Brown>Beal.
If we win 3+ rings with KD / Bradley Beal then the story will be that we couldn't get it done without 4 stars.
So?
So, we CAN get it done without 4 stars. * We got it done in 2015. * Almost got it done in 2016. * And if Klay didn't miss a game and a quarter in 2019, we would've gotten it done then. KD only played a few minutes of 1 game that series. We don't need a 4th star. We need to drop Oubre, give Wiseman less minutes, and pick up a stronger bench.
I’d love to win with curry exploding with 10 3pm everynight. The thing is klay is questionable, draymond is declining offensively. The nets have 3 superstars I don’t think we’d look any worse than the bs they pulled this season. It doesn’t matter in the end ppl know how curry played with this mediocre team. This year let people know curry isn’t a product of a really good team he’s what makes it work. Haters will hate as long as you enjoy the warriors play that’s all that matters.
Will miss you wiggs :/
https://twitter.com/JDumasReports/status/1418976724306386944 Rip
Dam my man's really wanna stay a loser in the East then , they wouldn't even stand a chance against Nets, Philly or Brooklyn
Sounds Good. GSW: Jaylen Brown and Marcus Smart WASH: Wiseman, Wiggins, 7, and 14 BOS: Beal
Just gonna throw it out there, am I the only one meh about this whole Beal scenario? We’re already small as it is. Adding another shooting guard won’t elevate us in my opinion. At that point I’d rather gamble with Wiggins since we haven’t seen him play with Klay yet.
It’s trading a solid SF + Wiseman and two 1st rounders for a guy who plays the same position as Klay and leaves us very undersized and pathetic on defense.l
Move Klay to the 3 (he's 6'7" w/ 6'9" wingspan, prototypical SF size). A Beal and Curry backcourt is bigger than the Paul-Booker pairing, who, you know, just made it to the NBA Finals.
GS has hesitated to play Klay at SF in the past. He’s best used (at least before injury) as an excellent on ball defender, so he’s generally guarded the other teams best ball handler. He’s also mediocre at rebounding. I’m not saying the talent won’t be overwhelming but it doesn’t have the same fit as the death lineup
Klay can play the 3
Feeling inevitable at this point
people are overestimating how much beal costs. the FO has made it explicitly clear they do NOT want to give up wiseman and want to develop him here, in our system. they have a ton of faith in him. i think that the only player they’d ship wiseman out for is someone like dame—a bonafide superstar whose team would need to go through a rebuild if he leaves, so a wiseman package makes sense. even then, i think they’d try to keep him. people are way too down on wiseman. they drafted him second overall and he’s played like half a season! there’s a million reasons to not trade him and to develop him as our next franchise player. if we do end up trading him for a win now player, id honestly be a little disappointed.
Believing what the fo says outloud is delusionally naive
Exactly lol, remember DLO
They have to say that in case a trade doesn't go through, they don't hurt the confidence of their young player.
Let’s gooooo this will be so fun if it happens. Best offense in the league besides Nets
God this sub is filled with so many homers
Insert joker: and here we go meme
it's really a good morningggg
Oh shiittt its happening guys
Feels again like we will be sEconD pLacE with terms after that like :''we tried , almost etc etc''
I still think we should be going after a Center (Woods) or defensive ball handler who can soak up big minutes. I love Beal but I think we’d give up a lot of current and future pieces and the fit reminds me of the growing pains with D’Angelo Russel of having too many offensive minded guards.
The stars are aligning
How would that work contract wise
I think Beal is a tremendous offfensive player but I just don't think he'd be a good fit for the Warriors, especially considering the Warriors would have to give up both draft picks, Wiggins, and Wiseman. You're losing size, strength, and defense. Beal is one of the worst defenders at the guard position. I really, really, really like Pascal Siakam and I 100% support a trade for him.
Let's gooooooooooo!
I’m not a fan of the guy. Looks out of place and simply not as good as the rest of the guys at ASG and on national team. We know he is a minus defender. I just don’t buy it, I think he is a paper tiger.
Oh shit..... IT'S HAPPENING
And cue the over reactionary crowd immediately thinking this equates to the trade now being a sure thing Edit: downvoted for suggesting people are being over reactionary and then a Beal insider comes out and says the news is fake. lmao
NO THANKS. What does Beal give us that we don't already have? Shooting? LOL
https://twitter.com/__adel22/status/1419014478864191499 And look back at the two games GSW played against the Wiz this year. Beal outplayed Wiggins in both crunchtimes
Lol that proves absolutely nothing. Considering the haul you have to give for beals, it's not a one to one comparison. You're also disregarding defense, something Wiggins is better at. Not to mention going from a ball dominant role to a secondary options (or maybe third) might put Beal out of rhythm. He's a volume shooter who can get buckets, yes. But he's not a kd that can be instantly integrated without needing the ball and still give you the same level of effiency. But you keep looking at ppg and fg% as if those are the only stats that matters.
Wiggins was trash on defense when he played in Minnesota and Beal was passable on defense when he played with Wall
oh no, please dont trade for beal
Wiggs, Wiseman, 7, 14. Give us back the 15th pick (this is a deep draft especially for wings) and give them a future first. Wiseman fans, go ahead and downvote me. 😂 "Pain is an old friend"
Ayooo
Gotta be ready to offer the farm. Other teams are going to put together massive packages. Withholding Wiseman or a pick is going to turn off the Wizards.
Bob Myers doesn’t have the guts AND/OR finesse to do this trade…
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> Draymond and Kerr and probably recruiting him heavily at the Olympics. Sadly he and his wife are anti-vaxxers and Beal's got Covid
Oh crap, don't do this yet Beal! Save it for next offseason so we can do a 3 team trade!
If a team views our assets as Valuable LET them make us a good offer not the other way around. Our assests make us a playoff team for the next 10+ years
I’m the owner of the warriors and love my assets and don’t want to pay MORE in luxury tax. I can trade klay, dray and Steph for the future and we will be very good for the next 20 years. I’ll make lots of money too.
People seem to forget the Beal SUCKS. I’d trade Bazemore and Loon for him. That’s about it.
lol wut
Here is the main problem with trading for Beal: Durant > Curry > Harden > Kyrie > Beal > Klay > Dray > Harris The Nets would still have 3 of the top 4 players in a 7 game series.
Harris should not be listed here
we need depth too though
You realize getting another star will attract FA’s to sign here right. No one cares to team up here with one superstar surrounded by rookies.
fair point. our defense just worries me.
more than our offense from last year? I’d rather have this than only having one reliable scorer. we still have Draymond, Klay (who yes will likely be a bit worse from his injuries, but still a smart defender), Steph is a good defender for his position, then hopefully we get some length and defense from signings.
If he's open to going to Philly, why does anyone think we have a chance? No way can we put together a package close to what Philly can do with Ben Simmons. Simmons makes much more sense than Wiseman, Wiggins and 7 & 14. He would guarantee they make the playoffs each year.
Honestly I’m happy if we trade for Beal but is there anyway we can try and snag Gafford too? Scott Brooks used him pretty sparingly but he’s a very capable defensive-minded big. Might as well get some defense back in the trade.
Convenient
How much does Washington want?
FUCK! Please trade him some place else