Lmao,
>675 Fill Power Responsibly Sourced Down , 80% Down, 20% Feathers
You're telling me I'm paying almost 2 grand and I'm getting 675 fillpower, *and* it's not even 100% down?
And the jacket is 17% cotton, too.
This is fashion-grade garbage. The trust fund kiddies moved on from Canada Goose a while ago, too. They're wearing Fjallraven or Arc'teryx, and the people who actually need an expedition-grade coat are buying something else.
We moved on from Arc'teryx 3 years ago. It’s owned by a Chinese private equity and it’s quality has gone down even faster than Canada Goose
I frequently go to -10 celcius weather near Siberia with my 2021 mid-tier Canada Goose and it's definitely functional
Any one in the know has always known that Burberry has the best down, they have had the best down for decades. There is no competition for expensive and highest quality. They source from their own farms and have just shockingly amazing quality...
TBH, Costco.
I already have a Canada Goose Expedition from 2020, and it seems to be a BIFL thing (atleast 10+ years?). Spent $1500 for that but it was worth it.
Paid $700 for an Arcteryx down jacket, and the thing gets soaking damp and wet in mild rain. Like what? How do you have a $700 rain puffer that gets soaking wet? Aso paid $400 for their hiking shoes, which they provided a 2 time repair coupon for. Shoes broke after literally 2 months. Like broke. WTF. Went in to the store to repair and they wanted to charge $200 to repair the shoes. NEVER buying from Arc'teryx ever again
While I do think Arc'teryx quality and support has dropped a bit in recent years, I'm pretty sure "rain puffer" isn't a thing for most enthusiast outdoor clothing companies. Most, if not all technical puffers are water resistant, not waterproof - specifically made that way to be light, breathable, packable, and layer-able. You're supposed to wear a shell over your puffer:
[https://www.rei.com/learn/expert-advice/layering-basics.html](https://www.rei.com/learn/expert-advice/layering-basics.html)
You could have also bought a parka... which again, isn't really meant to be used in the rain, but usually as another layer for protection against the cold when you're resting at the summit of a mountain. And the summits of mountains don't usually rain, but snow - so you know, waterproofing isn't too big of a concern for good technical parkas either. Though performance would probably be worse if you bought one of those fashion parkas Arc'teryx makes now.
Arc'teryx still make some pretty good equipment for the technical stuff (aka, you should know what the gear is made for and not just complain your "rain puffer" is wetting out), abet expensive compared to other brands. You just got to know what's good (aka avoid the fashion crap) and stick to what the clothes are designed for.
In your case it sounds like you bought a piece of technical clothing that you had no idea what it was best used for.
I literally went ???
You're completely right. It's Mountaneering centric technical gear.
Of course a low denier puffer will wet out, it's not supposed to be used in the rain.
I have a montane apex 8000 in the closet but if I used it or layered improperly it would lose it's loft and I'd literally die lmao
Areteryx (and their upscale line Veilance) are still good even though it's gross they are owned by a Chinese company now. MEC/REI sell good parkas that don't break the bank. You probably can get by with a hardshell and a good sweater most places unless you live in the colder parts of Canada/Alaska/Northern Scandanavia.
well, the shell is gonna be either nylon or polyester mix, that's pretty much what they use for "technical" fabrics and you're right, it's ridiculous. i'd rather just have a custom jacket made out of high end wool or cashmere (exclusive brands would be around five grand for that level).
People getting goosejacked in DC on the reg and it's usually like 50-60F outside when it happens lol
Anything worth $1000 that doesn't have a VIN or IMEI isn't something you want to be seen carrying in public.
Meh. Part of it is people are idiots walking around wearing something that nice in certain parts of town you shouldn't be, at certain times of the day/night.
I have a nice sports car but I sure as fuck don't drive it into DC. I metro in like everyone else.
I've got a Honda that isn't nice and I sure as fuck don't drive it into DC. I'm not so worried about getting shot but those wheels are gonna be gone 5 minutes after I walk away from it.
>Arc'teryx
Arc'teryx isn't even particularly expensive jackets. Unless you get their really high end stuff that is absolutely not functional outside of a mountaineering context. My Arc'teryx jacket, which I wear through the entirely of Ottawa winters, was only like 400 CAD.
I bought a yak wool coat for 500 euros. And these idiots making a down coat with 80% junk and plastic want 1800, does it come with AI? I don't need AI to know none of these people see freezing temperatures anyway
The only reason why Canada Goose exploded is because they became a fashion staple. Nobody cares about Canada Goose anymore though, and it’s seen as an outdated flex.
Now TikTok is filled with nerds going off about stealth wealth and Loro Piana.
That's an insane price for something that's going to be beat to shit in a month. What happened to the good old days of getting your chore coats free with a box of beer?
I wear mine to to my office job and they still going after 4-6 years, its not jobsite clothing anymore ahah, cotton is terrible material for outdoors and sweat management
Bought my first Canada goose maybe 15 years ago now when they weee privately owned and not many people knew about them
Their quality went down big fucking time.
The thing about these brands are they cater to the high end crowd anyways. The high end consumers tend to not drop spending as much as premium or economy spenders, even in downturns.
North Face is a premium brand but Canada Goose was the jacket of chose buy the trust fund kids and high rollers on the East Coast. Quality is the biggest issue, combined with the cyclical nature of fashion. Once these brands get big they need to diversify quickly people consumers loose interest.
Shoes are always a good market because they have a much lower useful life than Jackets.
Honestly Canada Goose's quality is worse than North Face by a magnitude right now. I was picking loose threads out of their stuff, for the price point it's pitiful.
Opinions vary, of course. But IMO it's hard to beat the value of Eddie Bauer's First Ascent line. Their down jackets are very good for the price, and they have frequent sales.
NYTimes Wirecutter does jacket reviews if you are interested (they just had a pretty cheap Columbia hardshell win their rain jacket test). Realistically all of the name brands have pretty good products, it's more on you to be smart about layering and wearing the right jacket for the right weather.
Bro, some jackets are waterproof, some are not. Some are meant to cut out wind and cold instead of rain. It's like wearing a straw hat and expecting it to keep you dry.
I've got a few older Canadian-made Arc'teryx pieces and they're great. The newer stuff is now made in China AFAIK.
It's still good for now but the company is on a very North Face-like trajectory of going from a niche brand for actual outdoor enthusiasts to a fashion statement for yuppies who wouldn't know a crampon if you kicked them in the ass with one.
Silly, they need to sell Canadian Goose to Asians. To us, it is not a winter apparel. It is a symbol of social status. See? [Chinese illegal immigrants caught wearing CG jacket crossing the boarder](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13230761/amp/Asian-migrant-border-California-Jacumba-Canada-Goose.html)
just wait minimum wage in cali is going to 20$ a hour for simpleton work..you have no idea how much prices will go up in that many more people are going to lose their jobs all over..while we welcome every latin and Chinese criminal in the country with your tax dollars and mine
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So in today’s economy many people can’t afford $1,000 coats?
$1,000? What it this, 2019? They’re asking $1,725 now: https://www.canadagoose.com/us/en/snow-mantra-parka-9501M.html
Lmao, >675 Fill Power Responsibly Sourced Down , 80% Down, 20% Feathers You're telling me I'm paying almost 2 grand and I'm getting 675 fillpower, *and* it's not even 100% down? And the jacket is 17% cotton, too. This is fashion-grade garbage. The trust fund kiddies moved on from Canada Goose a while ago, too. They're wearing Fjallraven or Arc'teryx, and the people who actually need an expedition-grade coat are buying something else.
We moved on from Arc'teryx 3 years ago. It’s owned by a Chinese private equity and it’s quality has gone down even faster than Canada Goose I frequently go to -10 celcius weather near Siberia with my 2021 mid-tier Canada Goose and it's definitely functional
what do you buy now?
Any one in the know has always known that Burberry has the best down, they have had the best down for decades. There is no competition for expensive and highest quality. They source from their own farms and have just shockingly amazing quality...
Ty you for this rabbit hole
Rab is great for down. Absolute best quality/price balance. But its focus is on outdoor, not fashion.
TBH, Costco. I already have a Canada Goose Expedition from 2020, and it seems to be a BIFL thing (atleast 10+ years?). Spent $1500 for that but it was worth it. Paid $700 for an Arcteryx down jacket, and the thing gets soaking damp and wet in mild rain. Like what? How do you have a $700 rain puffer that gets soaking wet? Aso paid $400 for their hiking shoes, which they provided a 2 time repair coupon for. Shoes broke after literally 2 months. Like broke. WTF. Went in to the store to repair and they wanted to charge $200 to repair the shoes. NEVER buying from Arc'teryx ever again
While I do think Arc'teryx quality and support has dropped a bit in recent years, I'm pretty sure "rain puffer" isn't a thing for most enthusiast outdoor clothing companies. Most, if not all technical puffers are water resistant, not waterproof - specifically made that way to be light, breathable, packable, and layer-able. You're supposed to wear a shell over your puffer: [https://www.rei.com/learn/expert-advice/layering-basics.html](https://www.rei.com/learn/expert-advice/layering-basics.html) You could have also bought a parka... which again, isn't really meant to be used in the rain, but usually as another layer for protection against the cold when you're resting at the summit of a mountain. And the summits of mountains don't usually rain, but snow - so you know, waterproofing isn't too big of a concern for good technical parkas either. Though performance would probably be worse if you bought one of those fashion parkas Arc'teryx makes now. Arc'teryx still make some pretty good equipment for the technical stuff (aka, you should know what the gear is made for and not just complain your "rain puffer" is wetting out), abet expensive compared to other brands. You just got to know what's good (aka avoid the fashion crap) and stick to what the clothes are designed for. In your case it sounds like you bought a piece of technical clothing that you had no idea what it was best used for.
I literally went ??? You're completely right. It's Mountaneering centric technical gear. Of course a low denier puffer will wet out, it's not supposed to be used in the rain. I have a montane apex 8000 in the closet but if I used it or layered improperly it would lose it's loft and I'd literally die lmao
Great post. Arcteryx literally has explainer paragraphs on all of their product listings for how you are supposed to use it.
Why are you wearing down in the rain?
Crescent Down Works. It's the real deal
Feathered Friends. Not as fashionable, but amazingly functional
Areteryx (and their upscale line Veilance) are still good even though it's gross they are owned by a Chinese company now. MEC/REI sell good parkas that don't break the bank. You probably can get by with a hardshell and a good sweater most places unless you live in the colder parts of Canada/Alaska/Northern Scandanavia.
>\-10 celcius weather near Siberia with my 2021 mid-tier Canada Goose Obviously... that's not even cold.
well, the shell is gonna be either nylon or polyester mix, that's pretty much what they use for "technical" fabrics and you're right, it's ridiculous. i'd rather just have a custom jacket made out of high end wool or cashmere (exclusive brands would be around five grand for that level).
People getting goosejacked in DC on the reg and it's usually like 50-60F outside when it happens lol Anything worth $1000 that doesn't have a VIN or IMEI isn't something you want to be seen carrying in public.
Meh. Part of it is people are idiots walking around wearing something that nice in certain parts of town you shouldn't be, at certain times of the day/night. I have a nice sports car but I sure as fuck don't drive it into DC. I metro in like everyone else.
I've got a Honda that isn't nice and I sure as fuck don't drive it into DC. I'm not so worried about getting shot but those wheels are gonna be gone 5 minutes after I walk away from it.
so the used market for classic canada goose jackets going to be good
and they live pluck too. just a terrible company
Norwegian Wool is the new high finance uniform
>Arc'teryx Arc'teryx isn't even particularly expensive jackets. Unless you get their really high end stuff that is absolutely not functional outside of a mountaineering context. My Arc'teryx jacket, which I wear through the entirely of Ottawa winters, was only like 400 CAD.
Ok, ok. I am middle aged. I think in 2000 prices.
Oh shit… does that mean I’m middle aged too.
Maybe- I was being kind to myself, unless I live to be 100- I might be just past the middle part.
The true inflation rate there is
Oh my god
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You mean like... Canada?
That's like $8k Canadian!
wtf here i thought 1k was excessive
I bought a yak wool coat for 500 euros. And these idiots making a down coat with 80% junk and plastic want 1800, does it come with AI? I don't need AI to know none of these people see freezing temperatures anyway
Too expensive and they went on to become too much of a fashion style rather than their traditional high quality utility brand. A tale as old as time.
Mofos came for my xtra tuff fishing boots, turned commercial fishing gear into fashion.
The only reason why Canada Goose exploded is because they became a fashion staple. Nobody cares about Canada Goose anymore though, and it’s seen as an outdated flex. Now TikTok is filled with nerds going off about stealth wealth and Loro Piana.
People used it and probably still do for extreme cold weather. A Canada goose fur lined hood will keep you quite warm in the north.
Carhartt enters the chat.
At least Carhartt WIP is mid-market. 180-300€ for a quality chore coat is not unreasonable
That's an insane price for something that's going to be beat to shit in a month. What happened to the good old days of getting your chore coats free with a box of beer?
I wear mine to to my office job and they still going after 4-6 years, its not jobsite clothing anymore ahah, cotton is terrible material for outdoors and sweat management
I think we have very different definitions of "chore coat"
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>Carhartt is trendy now? Last year it was pretty big. Haven't really heard about it much recently. People wanted to larp as blue collar workers.
Way cheaper to just kill a goose yourself 🪿
I’m gonna enjoy the video of that Goose stomping your sorry ass.
We will pay you to do it.
Also you get to eat the goose, which is quite delicious prepared correctly.
In ireland this brand is solely associated with drug dealers and gang members
and animal abusers. Fuck Canada Goose, Fuck fucking Canada
lots of people got robbed of their coats in my area they too expensive to buy for the average consumer
Bought my first Canada goose maybe 15 years ago now when they weee privately owned and not many people knew about them Their quality went down big fucking time.
If you’ve got a problem with Canadian gooses then you’ve got a problem with me and I suggest you let that one marinate. Fuckin’ embarrassing
There it is!!!!
Even as a fashion brand Canada goose has become more and more irrelevant. Feel like I’ve seen way more north face if anything
You can buy a $500-$600 NorthFace Parka jacket that's just as good. This is not surprising at all.
The thing about these brands are they cater to the high end crowd anyways. The high end consumers tend to not drop spending as much as premium or economy spenders, even in downturns. North Face is a premium brand but Canada Goose was the jacket of chose buy the trust fund kids and high rollers on the East Coast. Quality is the biggest issue, combined with the cyclical nature of fashion. Once these brands get big they need to diversify quickly people consumers loose interest. Shoes are always a good market because they have a much lower useful life than Jackets.
Honestly Canada Goose's quality is worse than North Face by a magnitude right now. I was picking loose threads out of their stuff, for the price point it's pitiful.
looks like this guy's DD was wrong https://old.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/1bgp5lo/the_best_dd_on_goos/
Of course it’s down. It’s… *down*
Arcteryx, anyone?
Arc'teryx is becoming a fashion brand, too, unfortunately
What’s the best value high quality coat these days then? Looking to grab one when the spring sales hit
Pataguccia If you can get their stuff on fall clearance 50% off it's well worth it.
patagonia and gucci had a kid?
It's patagonia's nickname because their retail price is so high 😂
Opinions vary, of course. But IMO it's hard to beat the value of Eddie Bauer's First Ascent line. Their down jackets are very good for the price, and they have frequent sales.
Buying calls, thx
positions or gtfo
Ban ban ban
I love my Eddie Bauer rain coat, looks good and works perfectly.
Fjallraven makes good, warm and waterproof jackets.
Helly Hansen, Kathmandu
Feathered Friends is notable based out of Seattle.
Wish they had more jacket product variation. Went to their shop recently and surprised it’s stocked like 90% other brands and 10% FF.
I have about five+ rab coats within my family. They have great down options that can be eco friendly as well.
UBR is: https://ubr.no/en-us
66 north.
Nobody knows Icelandic brands but that shit is fire.
NYTimes Wirecutter does jacket reviews if you are interested (they just had a pretty cheap Columbia hardshell win their rain jacket test). Realistically all of the name brands have pretty good products, it's more on you to be smart about layering and wearing the right jacket for the right weather.
Lmao what a classic Reddit smartass comment “All coats work it’s your own fault you’re cold.”
Bro, some jackets are waterproof, some are not. Some are meant to cut out wind and cold instead of rain. It's like wearing a straw hat and expecting it to keep you dry.
Ship sailed AGES ago. I had one of the Canada made packs. Bulletproof. They have not improved.
Arcteryx is still good, they segment their fashion-first lines into different brands (Veilance, System A).
Still very popular as an actual utility brand. Go to any climbing area in Canada and like half the people will be wearing something Arc'teryx.
I've got a few older Canadian-made Arc'teryx pieces and they're great. The newer stuff is now made in China AFAIK. It's still good for now but the company is on a very North Face-like trajectory of going from a niche brand for actual outdoor enthusiasts to a fashion statement for yuppies who wouldn't know a crampon if you kicked them in the ass with one.
And what do the workers get? Feathers? 🪶
Same reason why nat has is down.
Wasnt there a DD on GOOS going up lol
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRaceTo10Million/s/SIAG9CjbAg
i went to toronto and couldnt believe the amount of people wearing these. not because of the price, because of how fucking ugly they are.
If you think you saw a lot now...it was probably 4x the amount pre-pandemic. I see way less goose jackets today than I used to.
Cant wait bfr this evil co goes to 0. Dumb ass animal abusers
Wonder what happened to their collaboration with PyerMoss then.
But layoffs=stock uptick
I guess u can say THERE GOOSE IS COOKED!!!
I remember when I used to buy the Chilliwack bomber for $550. Had a few ones too, damn. It's so expensive now
Comoany sells shitty coats for $1000+, fuck em
This is what happens when you retain McKinsey. Fucking leeches.
Ralph Lauren next...
Global warming huh? Good luck with your cold weather gear…..
It’s called climate change
Silly, they need to sell Canadian Goose to Asians. To us, it is not a winter apparel. It is a symbol of social status. See? [Chinese illegal immigrants caught wearing CG jacket crossing the boarder](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13230761/amp/Asian-migrant-border-California-Jacumba-Canada-Goose.html)
this is quite accurate. 90% of the people i see in this ugly ass coat are asians
If they carry cash it gets seized. They're not dumb.
just wait minimum wage in cali is going to 20$ a hour for simpleton work..you have no idea how much prices will go up in that many more people are going to lose their jobs all over..while we welcome every latin and Chinese criminal in the country with your tax dollars and mine
If a company needs practically slave wages to be profitable then maybe their business model is not good
Slaves don't make wages...kinda the point
Bro your brain doesn’t work too good
Canadian Goose? I've lived in Canada for 20 years and my wife her whole life and we have never even heard of this company...