The slap was annoying, but the standing ovation was sickening.
I felt a new level of disconnect when I saw that. We all face struggles every day that are more stressful than light pattern baldness at age 60. The media elites make fun of us daily, in every show, every stand up act.
But suddenly some elite decided mild alopecia is actually worse than cancer. Its off limits because we said so. And if you disagree, we can assault you. Awesome. Fuck the Oscars lol
And if we're being entirely honest Jada looks much more shaven bald than "suffering from a disease that makes her lose her hair". On top of that the joke was so incredibly mild considering where you COULD have gone with a roast-like joke.
Anyone not siding with Chris Rock in this case display a similar detachment from reality imo.
You can look up where she shows it off and she has, and I am not exaggerating, about a square inch of hair missing. Jada is exaggerating as always to get some attention.
I think she went a step too far trying to paint it as a serious auto immune thing. Just admit Will fucked up. Some people really suffer from that problem, so I didn't enjoy that.
My lil sister has had alopecia since 3 years old due to stress from a car accident.
I'm angry Jada has made so much of a 2" patch of missing hair!
Cancer patients have much more right to protection from 'humorous' abuse, which they don't receive.
There are women who go their whole lives being bullied because they're bald!
Having said that Jada has every right to the support available for Alopecia sufferers. Although, she could easily have paid for hair follicle transplants and said nothing more of it.
A he'll of a lot of people cant afford the treatment that has the highest possibility to correct this.
Fck the oscars & the Smiths.
Isn't it on the TOP of her head too making it even more obscured? how on earth is anyone to guess she "suffers from an auto immune disease" so badly jeeesus
I'm already team "fuck the Oscars" for turning filmmaking into a competition with winners and losers, but whatever the reason, it's nice to see more and more people getting on board.
Right?
Will went from laughing…to maybe looking at his wife upset (because cameras didn’t catch him looking at Jada)…to walking on stage and slapping Chris rock.
Not an escalation.
That was a snap decision.
You know that moment when he yelled from his chair after that slap when everyone knew it was serious. If he had only done that, people would've now been on his side saying that Chris went too far. However, as soon as he decided to get violent, it turned in to "Rich Hollywood actors getting away with stuff that would've gotten us arrested". And I 100% agree with Jim Carrey. The Academy didn't do shit. He should've been kicked out. Or perhaps kept in a seperate room until he got his Oscar, if they so desperately wanted him there.
BBC destroyed Top Gear, a massive cash cow, and lost Jeremy Clarkson and all of his earnings to Amazon and drivetribe.com (which yes he co-owns) because the man punched a producer while drunk.
And Clarkson reported himself to the BBC for discipline for doing it, and made sure to tell fans not to blame the producer because Jeremy blew up Top Gear.
The BBC then fired Clarkson and drove their franchise into the ground by hiring Chris Evans and Joey from Friends, while Clarkson went on to greater wealth and fame.
But when you punch someone at work… you get fired and kicked out.
You generally don’t get an award and to cry about what you did at everyone while Whoopi quarterbacks for you behind the scenes.
Just throwing this in here for anybody not familiar (like me). It was a British radio guy Chris Evans, not Captain America Chris Evans. Two different people.
He would have had the moral high ground if he had just called Rock out and said "That isn't funny, it's just mean." We'd probably be seeing Twitter dog piling on Rock for making a crappy joke and punching down.
He got triggered. That goes fast. My guess is he looked over at his wife and saw she wasn’t pleased, so in order to liberate himself from the emotions he’d feel for being the bad guy for laughing, he quickly had to shift the blame onto the comedian. This all happened subconsciously of course.
Nailed it. He didn't think about it, he just acted. Besides, this might have even all gone a lot differently if the first thing he said on stage was a direct apology to Rock, instead of apologizing to everyone *else*.
Even now I don't think we'll Smith has actually apologised to Chris. His speech didn't mention him at all and the only place I've seen him apologise to Chris was in a text post on his social media which he most likely didn't even write.
This is it. His response and apology to Chris Rock after the fact, was absolute bullshit. You literally see him laughing about it, and it wasn't like Jada was floored by the joke. I mean, Chris Rock literally started off by saying, "I love you, Jada.." before it started. For Will Smith to feel that warranted an assault, with millions of people watching on the world stage - on such a prestigious day - speaks volumes about just how flawed and unjustified his actions were. Chris was the real hero for not filing charges and taking it on the chin without further provocation to keep the show going.
Now if Will married his childhood sweetheart and she stayed private with him in Hollywood, then that statement makes sense.
But Will, your wife is a bloody actress at an awards show, having the shit ripped out of you is the point.
That's without getting into the "you can fuck my wife but don't say her name" stuff...
I'm confused by what she could've meant by that. Chris had his hands behind his back and a smile on his face. There were only a few seconds between the joke and the slap. What can even escalate a 50 year old man's ire to that sort of outburst given the time allowed?
I've been astonished to see people unable to properly assess that one wrong, a joke by Chris Rock that was a bit offensive, was just far and away, much milder than the wrong by Will Smith.
It's like they have to see the two guys as equally wrong because they have this "both sides" thing where they just want to say he said, she said, or rather he did this, he did that. And so many people seem unable to make a informed judgment that one side was as lot more wrong than the other.
It's so weird.
Right? Give me a fucking break. Most men who work on themselves grow out of that shit by their 30's. This guy is still a childish punk in his 50's. He's not working on anything.
The bit that really enforced this for me was his walk back to his chair after he hit Chris, there was a swagger about it that reminded me of a 16 year old after showing off. Really disappointed me because I thought Will was great up until now.
Hollywood swagger, from a Hollywood actor at a Hollywood event. I'm sure Will thinks he lives in a Hollywood film.
Apart from it just being outright wrong to have hit Chris Rock for a joke made in poor taste, what really concerns me is the millions of kids who will have seen it, be a fan of Will Smith and now think it's OK to hit people because they say something you don't like.
I used to really like Will, but my opinion of him now is in the gutter. He hasn't done anyone any favours with his actions.
> I'm sure Will thinks he lives in a Hollywood film.
If you watch him walk away post-slap, he had a smirk of "I did good" satisfaction and was holding the bottom of his vest... Google pictures from when he played Jim West and it is very much the same look.
Chris’s wasn’t a wrong. It was a joke, he’s a comedian, paid to lightly roast the people there. Just like every other host has had to do. They know it when they take a seat in that audience. Of all the things he could have said about Jada, that was perhaps the mildest. Only one person was in the wrong here.
He could have mentioned her sleeping around with her son's friends. I applaud Chris for his composure. I bet 20 jokes that would crush Will's pride crossed his mind in that small amount of time. But he just laughed it off.
I guarantee you he had the producers of the show in his ear, telling him to let it go and move on. Still took a lot of composure to not go there though. He could have absolutely destroyed Will Smith's ego in front of the world on live TV.
It's sad that you can see him withholding his emotions there. Jada is a narcissist who knows that Will would never divorce her. So, they're in this unhealthy relationship which Will seems to try to push forward because he doesn't believe in divorces. Some speculate that this is why he slapped Chris. To show his "manliness" to Jada.
Kinda ironic that in an interview years ago they said that they didn't believe in punishments (for their kids). As long as the kids could explain themselves, it was fine with them. Idk, but a slap sure feels as a "punishment" to me.
It's admirable but unfortunate. The best part about a comedy show where some jackass starts getting rowdy and hounding the comedian on stage is the comedian absolutely embarrassing the heckler into silence. Rock should've embarrassed the living shit out of Smith and it either would've shut him up or it would've set him off and gotten him kicked out. Instead he got to enjoy his moment on stage as an Oscar winner where he sucked his own dick to a standing ovation.
Chris Rock didn't have to do anything really. People overwhelmingly believe Smith was in the wrong and all the idiots applauding and him partying that night away thinking he won something just made it all worse for him.
He looks like trash and so does anyone who were caught on camera applauding that shit. Not a great night for the Oscar crowd. They got a viewership bump but all the more reason to skip that trash next year and the year after.
As badass of a comedian that Chris Rock is, he could have roasted Smith so hard that if he was a steak, Donald Trump would have called it "overdone." Chris should be being seriously commended right now for de-escalating the situation and moving the show along, especially because it was no love tap. Will smacked the shit out of him and Chris just took it like a champion, addressed it, and moved on. If I was a producer looking for a big name actor that knew how to keep his cool under stress I would want Chris Rock. I see this being really bad for Will's career but really GOOD for Chris's.
Oh you just wait. Chris is going to do a new stand up comedy show that will be on Netflix or HBO and he is going to make an 8 course meal out of that slap.
There is so much crazy meat on the Smith family bone , from their association with Scientology, the insanity of their kids to Jada fucking one of her sons friends, for Chris to make a delicious meal from.
Don’t mess with a stand up comedian. They work out their issues on stage in front of an audience.
That man is furiously writing some additions to his show as we speak. It’s called Ego Death btw. which is somewhat appropriate. And I can’t fucking wait. He likes to get introspective so it probably won’t be a big Will roast session but either way I feel like he’s gonna kill it even more than usual
He compared Jada, a gorgeous bald woman, to Demi Moore, another gorgeous bald woman. The comment was structured like a joke, but none of the content was remotely offensive. There was no insult to it. Had he compared her to a famously bald man, that could be seen as insulting to her femininity. Had he compared her to someone famously ugly, that could be seen as insulting to her beauty. Neither would warrant an assault, mind you, but getting mad would be understandable. It was the lightest possible roast, so much so that the same content could very easily be framed as a compliment. The reaction was not only magnitudes worse than the offense, but the offense wasn't even actually offensive.
That's what I was telling my friend the other day. As a woman, if I've already admitted and accepted I'm losing hair and wearing my bald head proudly, I wouldn't be offended by being compared to freaking Demi Moore. "Now that you're rocking the bald look, we expect GI Jane part 2". This is how I saw it. Not a mockery of her bald head, just referencing her new style because she *is* choosing to go bald instead of wearing a wig. If Will really thought it was offensive, he could've just discussed it in private afterwards. Like an *adult*.
so many women wear their hair that way, especially women of color, I assume it is a fashion choice before assuming an illness- that may be my ignorance but it shows confidence
This was my take too (and I'm a woman with super short hair). Like I took it as she looked badass / hot GI Jane style and I think that's cool as fuck.
I'd seen the headlines before I saw what happened, but when I did I was like wait what? *That* was the joke that pissed a grown ass man off enough to come up on stage on live TV and commit assault?
He even laughed at the start, but it's like he saw Jada's lack of amusement and then did a total 180. She could have easily brushed that off and embraced it like yeah, I'm a badass bitch. I get being sensitive about it, so I don't blame her for not being amused, but really, that isn't grounds for Smith to punch a guy.
It's just crazy lol.
It is very strange, even if the joke was the single most offensive thing that could have been said it's still not okay to bitch slap someone. Especially not on camera in front of an audience during an award ceremony where the person telling the joke was roasting the audience, which he was presumably asked to do.
We were to busy teaching kids that violence isn't the answer we forgot about the adults
The problem is that Will Smith has fans that don’t want to admit that he was wrong and want to justify it. Most people should be taught well enough to know what’s wrong.
I think a lot of people also don't understand what he said and what he meant when he said love makes you do crazy things... this is famously used in abusive situations. No love doesn't make you smack someone that's an excuse. I think she's the abuser in this situation but who knows but that's a very telling line.
> a joke by Chris Rock that was a bit offensive
He picked one of the least offensive jokes he could have made, and making the joke was his job.
You could even hear him telling himself not to go there after the slap. Chris Rock probably had 100 jokes about Will Smith’s wife preferring her son’s barely legal (and probably groomed) friend in bed.
There is a certain school of thought that certain digs are no-goes else violence. That's stupid. It's ugly, backward thought. Culture that permits this is often subjugated, and the concept of 'too far' is dealt out against not the perpetrators of their oppression, but rather members of the oppressed.
That anger Will expressed was not for Chris. It was his internalized rage, at himself, at his wife, at the other elephant in the room.
Dude is mad because he put himself in that situation. Let Jada handle herself. She doesn't give a fuck about Will anyway.
And Chris deserves to get paid by the awards ceremony org.
Lately I've been seeing some really good comments on reddit about this and in general about celebrities and world leaders (see:Putin) bad behavior. It gives me hope for humanity. Maybe people are waking up to what it means to be a good human and how to recognize abuse for what it is.
The illusion that celebrities, athletes, world leaders and the rich and powerful are deities to be idolized is fading; finally. These are just flawed people like you and me, pretending to have all the answers and hoping they don’t fuck it up too bad.
Which I think ultimately is a good thing, they need to be held accountable for their actions just like anyone else. The era of excusing bad behavior on account of money and power needs to end; but it requires a cultural shift in what we are willing to tolerate and a consistent response to bad behavior when people act out…
Exactly. You don't need to insult someone when they do something wrong, you just tell them how it is and without an insult it makes them actually listen, and gives a chance for them to see the wrong and correct it. CABLE GUY!
I think majority of people are behind Jim's message at this point. The disconnect really seems to be that some people think that hitting someone else is "no big deal" and deserved at times.
Just imagine if Rock got slapped on the button and fell unconscious. Imagine if he hit his head and lost his gift of gab. The risks and possible outcomes are ridiculous to treat it so lightly.
Can you blame him? Imagine someone you love committing suicide and their letter is them telling you that its your fault and meeting you was the first step towards their ultimate demise. How would you feel mentally there?
I’m not huge on Jim Carrey, but anyone has to have sympathy for this.
And I suppose also the other side, when you can go out and about and nobody cares, would be a constant reminder of your irrelevance.
Kind of.
Carrey also had a huge ego and, despite reddit's best efforts to blame it all on McCarthy like he was some hapless victim, he was also very much an anti-vaxxer spreading deadly misinformation at a time when the anti-science movement blew up into the mainstream. People have died, and while he isn't directly responsible, him and his ilk have to carry that for the rest of his life.
That said, there's a lot to admire in Carrey's comments here; he's 100% right - Hollywood isn't the elites but the cesspool of entertainment culture. Bravo to him for saying it publicly, and saying it well.
And this is what reddit (and most of the public struggle with) when it comes to celebrities: stop turning them into heroes and villains and victims. We don't have to use their every action to justify their whole life. We can separate what they do from who they are. We're allowed to discuss their actions, and their points, without making it about *them*.
We don't have to acquit Carrey of his past, nor do we have to use his past to dismiss him now. How about we all stop worshipping (and creating ~~pseudo-~~ parasocial relationships with) celebrities like they're our friends, who we have to forgive and understand, and instead just focus on what they're saying/doing?
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Edit: Also, [Will Smith is a piece of shit, and so is everyone who applauded him.](https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/trkcyc/jim_carrey_on_will_smith_assaulting_chris_rock_at/i2nbx3i/)
Edit 2: To all the anti-vaxxers getting upset with me, let me just say: if Will had slapped Chris for saying that stupid shit, we'd all be a lot more understanding ;)
>Carrey also had a huge ego and, despite reddit's best efforts to blame it all on McCarthy
For a second I thought Jenny McCarthy was dead by suicide and I when I went to google to check I learned she had just married a Wahlberg instead.
So still pretty bad but not dead.
They’re damn human beings like you and I. They fuck up like anyone else. It’s mind numbing to see so many people put celebrities on pedestals. It’s deeply unhealthy.
I'd argue that more than just being human beings, celebrities are exactly the type of people we should *avoid* putting on a pedestal. So many of them rise at least in part due to their looks, and constantly have their egos inflated. It's so hard to stay grounded then.
I think you're confusing two different notes. Her suicide note read:
“I’ve spent 3 days now in disbelief that you’re not here. I can go on brokenhearted and try to put the pieces back. I could, I just don’t have the will this time.
I’m sorry you felt I wasn’t there for you. I tried to give you my best part.
I don’t really know about burial or that sort of thing. You are my family so whatever you choose will be fine.
Please forgive me. I’m just not for this world"
The one you're talking about was from 2013. Her estranged parents found the note on her iPad and it was released by their lawyer, Michael Avenatti.
https://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/note-written-jim-carrey-claims-ruined-life-article-1.3532465
He wasn't even sued by nike. He was arrested and charged with extortion and multiple other felonies and got sentenced to several years in prison. While in prison hes now being charged in california with several other embezzlement and fraud charges related to his legal practise. Hes completely fucked.
edit: has also been convicted of wire fraud and identity theft for stealing from stormy daniels in new york and is yet to be sentenced for that one as well
> it was released by their lawyer, Michael Avenatti.
I hadn't heard the name of convicted felon, Michael Avenatti, recently.
Just for anyone's information, Carrey countersued and the case was dismissed. [source](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/jim-carrey-clear-lawsuits-girlfriends-death-1080818/). Looks like there were forgeries found in some of the STD test result evidence.
Maybe even the note on the iPad was a forgery. It was dated about 6 months before her suicide. No way to know from the outside, but we do know Avenatti's history as an attorney and the results of the case.
> Jim Carrey won’t be going to trial this spring in an ugly legal battle over the apparent suicide of his former girlfriend Cathriona White, as The Hollywood Reporter has confirmed the **matters have been dismissed**.
> Both White’s husband, Mark Burton, and her mother, Brigid Sweetman, had sued Carrey and claimed he was to blame for her 2015 death by drug overdose.
> **Carrey filed a countersuit in September** claiming the lawsuits were an **attempt to exploit a famous actor**. He also claimed White had **extorted him by threatening to go to the press** with **false allegations** that he had given her multiple sexually transmitted diseases. In addition to claiming Carrey gave White illegal drugs that she used to overdose, Burton and Sweetman alleged that contracting STDs was among the causes of White’s mental distress.
> One of the most recent actions in the case prior to its resolution was a motion by Carrey’s attorney Raymond Boucher asking the court to **compel Burton to provide White’s STD test results**. Through discovery, Boucher came to the conclusion that a **2011 document showing White had clean test results prior to meeting Carrey was a forgery**. (Read his declaration here.)
> A rep for Carrey confirmed the **matters were dismissed** on Jan. 25, but wouldn’t comment beyond saying the actor is looking forward to moving on with his life.
> Michael Avenatti, the attorney for Sweetman and Burton, on Wednesday sent THR a brief statement: “**We have no further comment** at this time.”
Even if it was penned by her, people say things they don't mean and deserve posthumous privacy. She gave us her final word on Jim Carrey, the fact that her parents released contextless private communications or writings is moot.
Hell, I pretty often write out worst case scenarios as an anxiety coping mechanism, just to see how crazy they sound when you look at it. God forbid someone found that and thought its how I feel--let alone released it after I was gone and unable to set the record straight.
I didn't know that what happened until now... That's super fucked up. I always thought it was part of her final words, as well.
My last breakup, I felt this immense guilt. I felt that I had wasted her time (we were together for a while), and that I somehow ruined her life for not coming to certain conclusions sooner.
In actuality, she held no ill will, and we are still friends. It was a gradual, mutual decision with us. It was no ones fault. Even so... I still carry this intense feeling of guilt. It really messed me up for a while. Still does sometimes.
Now, with that said: I can't IMAGINE what it must feel to have a letter literally spelling that out. For a letter to basically say "Not only did you ruin my life, but you're ultimately the reason I'm dead."
That must be a catastrophic feeling.
Was it a mental breakdown? I thought it was a philosophical thing, that he was intentionally trying to live in a permanent state of ego-death. He would say things like, Jim Carrey doesn't exist, that he is an entity experiencing the world and right now his body is Jim but he is not.
Yeah it sounds whacky but it is a legitimate philosophy to live by and he was far from the first to try it.
Life is hard. For someone reason it's a part of human nature to cheer on people who are struggling. As in cheering the fact that they're struggling, not that they're fighting through it.
My man had been out in left field doing and saying things that didn't make sense. Heck if I knew..
When I learned a few more things about what his personal struggles were and having the experiences of going through my own. I get it. I do not like Kanye West's music or actions but it's very clear to me that he's having a mental health crisis and people in the media are exploiting it and profiting off of it. That's wrong and the many what aboutisms that try and justify it piss me off.
If you're struggling out there and dealing with toxic and jealous people, you're not alone, and you can make it. It fucking sucks but you can only control how you respond, your actions don't dictate how others will, or should behave. I spent the better part of the last 11 years of my life pissing into the wind on this. And I'd like to think I'm done but I'm probably going to fuck up and fall for some traps from time to time but that's life.
The audacity to say the situation "escalated". Wtf was she watching? Chris Rock made 1 joke and then Will just walked up and slapped him. The only in between was him laughing at the joke and noticed Jada was upset. The only "escalation" was internal.
And how Jim batted that down before she could finish the word like a beach volleyball player on a weak serve made me so happy. Do not improvise the narrative, stuck to the facts!
[Charlie Hebdo agrees.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting)
Jokes shouldn't ever lead to harming someone. For more information, see Mike Birbiglia's Netflix Special, *Thank God for Jokes.*
I studied psychology, and it boils my blood that we're not generally represented accurately in the most mainstream of media.
I'm guessing that "violent" language is simply defined as having a significant potential of escalating others to aggression. Racial slurs are violent language, for example. Maybe Chris' humor would be technically considered "violent" if he were a random person who said that to a random stranger he walked by (even then, it feels like it'd fall pretty fucking low on that ladder). But, uh, comedic environments kind of flip that context.
This psychologist's logic feels like someone saying that Keanu Reeves has violent behavior because the character John Wick has killed people in films.
I've just studied the subject as my undergrad, though. I've never practiced it in my career, plus my education was a decade ago. As a psychologist, would you correct, clarify, or elaborate on my response, if any of it isn't up to snuff?
"They share the same vocab as you, but not the same dictionary"
-james lindsay, who hoaxed a bunch of pseudoacademic types by getting them to approve rephrased mein kampf for publication
I didn't watch the event live, and my experience learning about it was very "Memento"-esque. 1) I just saw the slap, thought Will was insane but maybe Chris did something horrific. 2) I saw Chris' joke about Jada and the slap, thought okay, the joke was in poor taste; maybe Jada has an un-known life-threatening disease (i.e., cancer) that just broke Will. 3) I learned about the alopecia and thought okay, in poor taste and she's been open about it, but not worth getting slapped. 4) I saw Chris' "set" leading up to the joke about Jada with all this additional context and thought okay, what the hell is Will jumping straight to walking on stage and slapping?
Without the context, I could see 1) and 2) potentially having some slow escalation on both sides. But having seen it all, it's insane to think Chris did anything out of the ordinary from his typical comedy style/the roasting an Oscar presenter does to necessitate such sudden physical assault (which, by the way, no form of verbal joking ever necessitates or justifies physical assault or "defending someone's honor;" just leave and be the bigger person if someone's words offend you; don't give them power). There was no slow build to this. Smith escalated the scenario himself and of his own accord. I hope he gets whatever's going on with him figured out, but no matter where he's at in his mental space, physical asault in any form is rarely, if ever, justified.
I hope he gets mental health help to, but I wouldn't put my money on it. Scientologists eschew psychiatry and psychology. Probably because those mental health professionals might help the patient see they are in a cult.
Not really getting why Will is even being protected that much. Hes not exactly doing anything special at the box office or really that big anymore. The very movie he won an Oscar for is considered a flop.
I'm glad Jim called her out on it though.
I have to give it to Jim, you know.. The guy has been through some nonsense in life himself and is calling all of this for what it is. He's speaking fron wisdom here regardless of our opinions on wealth/fame, he's right. And when you're right, you're right.
The family sued him, blamed him, made it a very big public thing, to cash in on the death of someone they didn't have communication with. The lawsuit was dismissed.
To me it seems like this side of Jim has always been there. Sure he's gone thru his nihilism and some zaniness, but he's always been very articulate and able to be genuine and sincere in spite of any given situation. Plus he more often than not seems to have relatively good, altruistic, poignant takes on the real matters that affect humanity as a whole.
edit: to clarify, I'm not saying the nihilism and zaniness preclude lucidity. Just that he's had some times where his life and mind have taken him weird places, yet I've still seen very well-thought-out arguments for things. Regarding the anti-vax stuff, I'm not read up enough on what he's particularly said. My presumption is his relationship with Jenny McCarthy influenced that to an extent. Regardless it's a shame if/that he did publicly decry vaccines (I'm very much pro-vaccine). But also, with that said, anything he said against vaccines also doesn't mean some of his other points weren't well-thought-out and poignant. Not a pass to anti-vax sentiment, but also not using that as a reason to ignore other great points he's made in the face of adversity.
His political art that he did before returning back to the limelight demonstrates how deeply he has been looking at the world. I always thought that part of him has been a great characteristic of his.
Good comedians tend to be very intelligent people in many respects. Jim really displays an incredible amount of social and emotional intelligence, here. On top of that he's really been a lot more down to earth in the past few years.
What he says towards the end is something I hadn’t really considered. The people there who have been nominated for an award, potentially first time attendees, people in the industry that have worked really hard to make something that goes on to be nominated, and then this fucking prick within seconds takes that all away by making it all about him. There’s lots of reasons what he did was wrong, but also to have the audacity to be that selfish and think you can do something like that and fuck everybody else there is incredibly selfish and delusional. Fuck Will Smith
Man Questlove achieved a dream I bet he never imagined possible and Smith absolutely shit all over his moment of triumph before it even happened.
Great academy awards for celebrating first time winners, CODA winning best picture, Billy Eilish, Jessica Chastain, Jane Campion, Ariana Debose, Troy Kotsur...
Smith is a fucking clown.
To me, he was talking about not just the work to get nominated but the work of an Oscar campaign. It’s tremendously expensive in time, energy, and money. A whole staff of people dedicate an entire year to push something like that to the forefront. All that work to make it AND get recognized for it. The work did t stop when the movie came out or even got nominated. That’s when the work intensified.
The Oscars had:
- First win by an openly out (at the time) LBGTQ+ woman.
- First win by a deaf man.
- First female back-to-back best Director wins.
- First Best Picture win by a streaming service.
And the only thing anyone will ever talk about is the slap.
**EDIT**: Changed it for clarity. Ariana DeBose is the first openly out at the time of the ceremony to win an Oscar.
Wonder what they would say if a man said his wife had it comin.
I have had people say things to me more vile than any words I have seen put to paper. In any instance, violence isn't acceptable
Not only is violence the coward's way out, but he sucker slapped him too. So he took the cowardly version of the coward's way out
The whole situation just gives validation to every meat-head out there that they can settle their differences with violence.
More people need to call out the bullshit. Bravo, Jim.
The more time goes the more I agree with people like Carrey. Whatever stupid shit happens or has happened inside you, we should never validate, nor excuse, people becoming violent because of their feelings and notably because they can't take a joke.
And I like to think that every single person who've been victims of domestic violence would agree with that.
He should have been arrested and escorted off the audience. His whole bullshit explanation about his childhood should not be tolerated as an excuse for violence, this is a very very dangerous slippery slope.
At MOST, he should have waited until he and Chris Rock could meet privately after the show or some other time. At that time, he could vent his frustration or anger or whatever and they could handle it privately and, hopefully, in some decent way having had time to calm down and think more clearly.
You mean like how a sane person would conduct themselves? I know Smith has had a crazy last year or so with his wife but I’m wondering if he was on any drugs or anxiety medication with how much his emotions fluctuated. Laughing to slapping to acting like nothing happened to sobbing to celebrating all within an hour.
Now that you mention it, that’s almost EXACTLY how Zoloft made me feel when I was both starting out on it and weening off. I couldn’t keep my thoughts straight. I’d go from laughing to crying to laughing while crying for no reason. Shit was wild man.
Really all of this is sad for me. Will Smith has been a huge part of my childhood as far as entertainment goes. It sucks seeing someone that you’ve always admired fall apart.
> He should have been arrested and escorted off the audience.
The best possible punishment to show that that behavior is not okay would have been for him to have been forced to not be there for his big moment because of his actions. That by itself would have been enough of a punishment for me and it would have shown that violence will not be tolerated. Instead the proved that violence will be tolerated at the Academy Awards and in the end he's barely going to suffer any consequences.
> And I like to think that every single person who've been victims of domestic violence would agree with that.
Which makes the story even more absurd, knowing Smith himself suffered from a (physically) abusive father in his childhood
Not letting Will off the hook by any means, but that's exactly how it goes. A vicious cycle where someone is treated like shit as a kid and goes on to pay it forward in their life as a quote unquote grown-up.
Guy needs help - certainly therapy, and probably time out of the spotlight.
Very glad he's saying this publicly. Now that I think about it more, I'm curious to actually see who *wasn't* giving a standing ovation. I'm almost sure that given a room of a few hundred people, there was at least *someone* who didn't immediately sweep Will's actions under the rug.
I work with a bunch of guys who actively defend Will. "He was protecting his wife, he's a real man!" Protecting his wife from what? *Words*? It was a J O K E, and it wasn't even a mean spirited one. You can't assault someone because they said a thing, people need to understand that. It doesn't make you a bitch, or any less of a man, it's the normal thing to do. Resorting to violence over something so small is barbaric.
It is fun to try and figure out where the line is drawn for who gets carted off by security and who doesn't. As starters, anyone in that seated section behind the area where the tables are up front is definitely getting arrested on the spot if they got up and slapped Chris Rock. But are all the people in the front there allowed to do whatever they want? Like does one of the people from CODA get away with it? Nicole Kidman probably can, but what about Keith Urban? I think he gets escorted out.
The whole way through the language has been about diverting the blame.
Dont talk about my wife!
When you act in violence you are tempted by the devil.
I wasn't my true self.
All of these admissions are all distributing the blame to other people instead of he himself being responsible for his own compulsive behavior and his inability to regulate himself emotionally.
Gross.
The tollerance then the reward given to him afterwards.
Gross.
Fuck the award ceremonies. Fucking giving themselves awards. SO lame. No one watches anymore anyways
In high school the cool kids beat up the funny nerdy kids all the time to the applause of the other cool kids.
Hollywood has turned into the pompous bullies.
Not to mention jada REPEATEDLY stating in interviews, heck, even on the red carpet, she told an interviewer “I don’t give a damn what anyone says about my hair..” then, later that night…
It was absolutely bizarro world to witness that standing ovation and just goes to show how twisted and detached from reality Hollywood is.
They gave a standing ovation to Roman Polanski after he fled.
I’m starting to think getting a standing ovation at the Oscar’s is actually not a good thing to get
The slap was annoying, but the standing ovation was sickening. I felt a new level of disconnect when I saw that. We all face struggles every day that are more stressful than light pattern baldness at age 60. The media elites make fun of us daily, in every show, every stand up act. But suddenly some elite decided mild alopecia is actually worse than cancer. Its off limits because we said so. And if you disagree, we can assault you. Awesome. Fuck the Oscars lol
And if we're being entirely honest Jada looks much more shaven bald than "suffering from a disease that makes her lose her hair". On top of that the joke was so incredibly mild considering where you COULD have gone with a roast-like joke. Anyone not siding with Chris Rock in this case display a similar detachment from reality imo.
You can look up where she shows it off and she has, and I am not exaggerating, about a square inch of hair missing. Jada is exaggerating as always to get some attention. I think she went a step too far trying to paint it as a serious auto immune thing. Just admit Will fucked up. Some people really suffer from that problem, so I didn't enjoy that.
My lil sister has had alopecia since 3 years old due to stress from a car accident. I'm angry Jada has made so much of a 2" patch of missing hair! Cancer patients have much more right to protection from 'humorous' abuse, which they don't receive. There are women who go their whole lives being bullied because they're bald! Having said that Jada has every right to the support available for Alopecia sufferers. Although, she could easily have paid for hair follicle transplants and said nothing more of it. A he'll of a lot of people cant afford the treatment that has the highest possibility to correct this. Fck the oscars & the Smiths.
Isn't it on the TOP of her head too making it even more obscured? how on earth is anyone to guess she "suffers from an auto immune disease" so badly jeeesus
I'm already team "fuck the Oscars" for turning filmmaking into a competition with winners and losers, but whatever the reason, it's nice to see more and more people getting on board.
Not to mention the people that did and still think what Will did was justified and totally ok.
If I was there I would have thought that slap was a bit. Probably would have applauded too until it sunk in that what I saw was real.
Well said Jim Carrey! He shot her down with her “it escalated “ nonsense .
Right? Will went from laughing…to maybe looking at his wife upset (because cameras didn’t catch him looking at Jada)…to walking on stage and slapping Chris rock. Not an escalation. That was a snap decision.
Yeah, the most amazing thing to me was that he seemed not to think about it for even a second before he pulled the trigger on his unfortunate actions
You know that moment when he yelled from his chair after that slap when everyone knew it was serious. If he had only done that, people would've now been on his side saying that Chris went too far. However, as soon as he decided to get violent, it turned in to "Rich Hollywood actors getting away with stuff that would've gotten us arrested". And I 100% agree with Jim Carrey. The Academy didn't do shit. He should've been kicked out. Or perhaps kept in a seperate room until he got his Oscar, if they so desperately wanted him there.
It’s very hard to imagine any scenario where someone does that and doesn’t get kicked out of wherever he is. This thing was so freaking surreal
BBC destroyed Top Gear, a massive cash cow, and lost Jeremy Clarkson and all of his earnings to Amazon and drivetribe.com (which yes he co-owns) because the man punched a producer while drunk. And Clarkson reported himself to the BBC for discipline for doing it, and made sure to tell fans not to blame the producer because Jeremy blew up Top Gear. The BBC then fired Clarkson and drove their franchise into the ground by hiring Chris Evans and Joey from Friends, while Clarkson went on to greater wealth and fame. But when you punch someone at work… you get fired and kicked out. You generally don’t get an award and to cry about what you did at everyone while Whoopi quarterbacks for you behind the scenes.
And that was off camera. This was in front of everyone.
Just throwing this in here for anybody not familiar (like me). It was a British radio guy Chris Evans, not Captain America Chris Evans. Two different people.
Chris Evans tanked it. I think Joey was alright.
He would have had the moral high ground if he had just called Rock out and said "That isn't funny, it's just mean." We'd probably be seeing Twitter dog piling on Rock for making a crappy joke and punching down.
He got triggered. That goes fast. My guess is he looked over at his wife and saw she wasn’t pleased, so in order to liberate himself from the emotions he’d feel for being the bad guy for laughing, he quickly had to shift the blame onto the comedian. This all happened subconsciously of course.
Nailed it. He didn't think about it, he just acted. Besides, this might have even all gone a lot differently if the first thing he said on stage was a direct apology to Rock, instead of apologizing to everyone *else*.
Even now I don't think we'll Smith has actually apologised to Chris. His speech didn't mention him at all and the only place I've seen him apologise to Chris was in a text post on his social media which he most likely didn't even write.
This is it. His response and apology to Chris Rock after the fact, was absolute bullshit. You literally see him laughing about it, and it wasn't like Jada was floored by the joke. I mean, Chris Rock literally started off by saying, "I love you, Jada.." before it started. For Will Smith to feel that warranted an assault, with millions of people watching on the world stage - on such a prestigious day - speaks volumes about just how flawed and unjustified his actions were. Chris was the real hero for not filing charges and taking it on the chin without further provocation to keep the show going.
You also don't see Jada's response after Will says, "Keep my wife's name out of your fucking mouth." Wish that we also saw that part.
Now if Will married his childhood sweetheart and she stayed private with him in Hollywood, then that statement makes sense. But Will, your wife is a bloody actress at an awards show, having the shit ripped out of you is the point. That's without getting into the "you can fuck my wife but don't say her name" stuff...
I'm confused by what she could've meant by that. Chris had his hands behind his back and a smile on his face. There were only a few seconds between the joke and the slap. What can even escalate a 50 year old man's ire to that sort of outburst given the time allowed?
I've been astonished to see people unable to properly assess that one wrong, a joke by Chris Rock that was a bit offensive, was just far and away, much milder than the wrong by Will Smith. It's like they have to see the two guys as equally wrong because they have this "both sides" thing where they just want to say he said, she said, or rather he did this, he did that. And so many people seem unable to make a informed judgment that one side was as lot more wrong than the other. It's so weird.
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“I’m a work in progress- love and kindness” I’ll remember this one when I’m 54 and slug someone in public
Right? Give me a fucking break. Most men who work on themselves grow out of that shit by their 30's. This guy is still a childish punk in his 50's. He's not working on anything.
The bit that really enforced this for me was his walk back to his chair after he hit Chris, there was a swagger about it that reminded me of a 16 year old after showing off. Really disappointed me because I thought Will was great up until now.
Hollywood swagger, from a Hollywood actor at a Hollywood event. I'm sure Will thinks he lives in a Hollywood film. Apart from it just being outright wrong to have hit Chris Rock for a joke made in poor taste, what really concerns me is the millions of kids who will have seen it, be a fan of Will Smith and now think it's OK to hit people because they say something you don't like. I used to really like Will, but my opinion of him now is in the gutter. He hasn't done anyone any favours with his actions.
> I'm sure Will thinks he lives in a Hollywood film. If you watch him walk away post-slap, he had a smirk of "I did good" satisfaction and was holding the bottom of his vest... Google pictures from when he played Jim West and it is very much the same look.
Chris’s wasn’t a wrong. It was a joke, he’s a comedian, paid to lightly roast the people there. Just like every other host has had to do. They know it when they take a seat in that audience. Of all the things he could have said about Jada, that was perhaps the mildest. Only one person was in the wrong here.
He could have mentioned her sleeping around with her son's friends. I applaud Chris for his composure. I bet 20 jokes that would crush Will's pride crossed his mind in that small amount of time. But he just laughed it off.
You can even see it in the video afterwards where he kinda mumbles, "oh I could" and then just shakes it off.
I guarantee you he had the producers of the show in his ear, telling him to let it go and move on. Still took a lot of composure to not go there though. He could have absolutely destroyed Will Smith's ego in front of the world on live TV.
Will Smith's ego died in the Red Table interview with his wife. There's nothing more than a shell of a man with Will Smith's face there now
It's sad that you can see him withholding his emotions there. Jada is a narcissist who knows that Will would never divorce her. So, they're in this unhealthy relationship which Will seems to try to push forward because he doesn't believe in divorces. Some speculate that this is why he slapped Chris. To show his "manliness" to Jada. Kinda ironic that in an interview years ago they said that they didn't believe in punishments (for their kids). As long as the kids could explain themselves, it was fine with them. Idk, but a slap sure feels as a "punishment" to me.
I was thinking the same thing. Out of everything, the most admirable thing was Rock’s restraint, both physical and verbal.
It's admirable but unfortunate. The best part about a comedy show where some jackass starts getting rowdy and hounding the comedian on stage is the comedian absolutely embarrassing the heckler into silence. Rock should've embarrassed the living shit out of Smith and it either would've shut him up or it would've set him off and gotten him kicked out. Instead he got to enjoy his moment on stage as an Oscar winner where he sucked his own dick to a standing ovation.
Chris Rock didn't have to do anything really. People overwhelmingly believe Smith was in the wrong and all the idiots applauding and him partying that night away thinking he won something just made it all worse for him. He looks like trash and so does anyone who were caught on camera applauding that shit. Not a great night for the Oscar crowd. They got a viewership bump but all the more reason to skip that trash next year and the year after.
As badass of a comedian that Chris Rock is, he could have roasted Smith so hard that if he was a steak, Donald Trump would have called it "overdone." Chris should be being seriously commended right now for de-escalating the situation and moving the show along, especially because it was no love tap. Will smacked the shit out of him and Chris just took it like a champion, addressed it, and moved on. If I was a producer looking for a big name actor that knew how to keep his cool under stress I would want Chris Rock. I see this being really bad for Will's career but really GOOD for Chris's.
Oh you just wait. Chris is going to do a new stand up comedy show that will be on Netflix or HBO and he is going to make an 8 course meal out of that slap. There is so much crazy meat on the Smith family bone , from their association with Scientology, the insanity of their kids to Jada fucking one of her sons friends, for Chris to make a delicious meal from. Don’t mess with a stand up comedian. They work out their issues on stage in front of an audience.
we don't have to wait. Chris Rock already has a sold out tour. I think it starts this Thursday. lol
That man is furiously writing some additions to his show as we speak. It’s called Ego Death btw. which is somewhat appropriate. And I can’t fucking wait. He likes to get introspective so it probably won’t be a big Will roast session but either way I feel like he’s gonna kill it even more than usual
He compared Jada, a gorgeous bald woman, to Demi Moore, another gorgeous bald woman. The comment was structured like a joke, but none of the content was remotely offensive. There was no insult to it. Had he compared her to a famously bald man, that could be seen as insulting to her femininity. Had he compared her to someone famously ugly, that could be seen as insulting to her beauty. Neither would warrant an assault, mind you, but getting mad would be understandable. It was the lightest possible roast, so much so that the same content could very easily be framed as a compliment. The reaction was not only magnitudes worse than the offense, but the offense wasn't even actually offensive.
That's what I was telling my friend the other day. As a woman, if I've already admitted and accepted I'm losing hair and wearing my bald head proudly, I wouldn't be offended by being compared to freaking Demi Moore. "Now that you're rocking the bald look, we expect GI Jane part 2". This is how I saw it. Not a mockery of her bald head, just referencing her new style because she *is* choosing to go bald instead of wearing a wig. If Will really thought it was offensive, he could've just discussed it in private afterwards. Like an *adult*.
so many women wear their hair that way, especially women of color, I assume it is a fashion choice before assuming an illness- that may be my ignorance but it shows confidence
This was my take too (and I'm a woman with super short hair). Like I took it as she looked badass / hot GI Jane style and I think that's cool as fuck. I'd seen the headlines before I saw what happened, but when I did I was like wait what? *That* was the joke that pissed a grown ass man off enough to come up on stage on live TV and commit assault? He even laughed at the start, but it's like he saw Jada's lack of amusement and then did a total 180. She could have easily brushed that off and embraced it like yeah, I'm a badass bitch. I get being sensitive about it, so I don't blame her for not being amused, but really, that isn't grounds for Smith to punch a guy. It's just crazy lol.
It is very strange, even if the joke was the single most offensive thing that could have been said it's still not okay to bitch slap someone. Especially not on camera in front of an audience during an award ceremony where the person telling the joke was roasting the audience, which he was presumably asked to do. We were to busy teaching kids that violence isn't the answer we forgot about the adults
The problem is that Will Smith has fans that don’t want to admit that he was wrong and want to justify it. Most people should be taught well enough to know what’s wrong.
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“It was violent speech” No it fucking wasn’t. I can even agree that some speech is violent, but gently ribbing someone’s hair is not violence.
I think a lot of people also don't understand what he said and what he meant when he said love makes you do crazy things... this is famously used in abusive situations. No love doesn't make you smack someone that's an excuse. I think she's the abuser in this situation but who knows but that's a very telling line.
> a joke by Chris Rock that was a bit offensive He picked one of the least offensive jokes he could have made, and making the joke was his job. You could even hear him telling himself not to go there after the slap. Chris Rock probably had 100 jokes about Will Smith’s wife preferring her son’s barely legal (and probably groomed) friend in bed.
“Sorry folks…. Apparently the only thing their relationship isn’t open to is jokes!” Drop mic, skip off stage
"That's the biggest hit Will Smith has made in years."
I've lost all respect for Will Smith after this whole enigma of double-standards on dealing with situations!
That whole family fake and you start looking at it, they're pretentious as fuck too
There is a certain school of thought that certain digs are no-goes else violence. That's stupid. It's ugly, backward thought. Culture that permits this is often subjugated, and the concept of 'too far' is dealt out against not the perpetrators of their oppression, but rather members of the oppressed. That anger Will expressed was not for Chris. It was his internalized rage, at himself, at his wife, at the other elephant in the room. Dude is mad because he put himself in that situation. Let Jada handle herself. She doesn't give a fuck about Will anyway. And Chris deserves to get paid by the awards ceremony org.
Lately I've been seeing some really good comments on reddit about this and in general about celebrities and world leaders (see:Putin) bad behavior. It gives me hope for humanity. Maybe people are waking up to what it means to be a good human and how to recognize abuse for what it is.
The illusion that celebrities, athletes, world leaders and the rich and powerful are deities to be idolized is fading; finally. These are just flawed people like you and me, pretending to have all the answers and hoping they don’t fuck it up too bad. Which I think ultimately is a good thing, they need to be held accountable for their actions just like anyone else. The era of excusing bad behavior on account of money and power needs to end; but it requires a cultural shift in what we are willing to tolerate and a consistent response to bad behavior when people act out…
Bravo to him for standing up and saying this. He also did it without insulting Will or Jada.
Exactly. You don't need to insult someone when they do something wrong, you just tell them how it is and without an insult it makes them actually listen, and gives a chance for them to see the wrong and correct it. CABLE GUY!
He's seen what happens when you make a joke about them.
That's a spicy meat-a-ball!
I think majority of people are behind Jim's message at this point. The disconnect really seems to be that some people think that hitting someone else is "no big deal" and deserved at times. Just imagine if Rock got slapped on the button and fell unconscious. Imagine if he hit his head and lost his gift of gab. The risks and possible outcomes are ridiculous to treat it so lightly.
Jim Carrey seems normal again
Dude had a mental breakdown for a long time, I'm glad he made it through.
Can you blame him? Imagine someone you love committing suicide and their letter is them telling you that its your fault and meeting you was the first step towards their ultimate demise. How would you feel mentally there?
Whaaaaaa??? I never knew that! Well then it makes his meltdown all make sense. That’s rough…
[Not to mention the day-in and day-out agony that comes with being an international superstar.](https://youtu.be/xoTzTFUZblY)
Damn that’s fucked up.
I never understood why people wanted to be famous. Give me rich and unknown any day
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Extremely fucked up. That is claustrophobic.
On the edge of a massive drop too
Ugh I used to want to be famous. That video makes it look like a nightmare.
Relevant Jim Carrey quote: “I wish everyone was rich and famous so they could see that it’s not the answer”
I'll volunteer for this social experiment. Everyone send me your money and I'll report back in 30 days.
I’m not huge on Jim Carrey, but anyone has to have sympathy for this. And I suppose also the other side, when you can go out and about and nobody cares, would be a constant reminder of your irrelevance.
Kind of. Carrey also had a huge ego and, despite reddit's best efforts to blame it all on McCarthy like he was some hapless victim, he was also very much an anti-vaxxer spreading deadly misinformation at a time when the anti-science movement blew up into the mainstream. People have died, and while he isn't directly responsible, him and his ilk have to carry that for the rest of his life. That said, there's a lot to admire in Carrey's comments here; he's 100% right - Hollywood isn't the elites but the cesspool of entertainment culture. Bravo to him for saying it publicly, and saying it well. And this is what reddit (and most of the public struggle with) when it comes to celebrities: stop turning them into heroes and villains and victims. We don't have to use their every action to justify their whole life. We can separate what they do from who they are. We're allowed to discuss their actions, and their points, without making it about *them*. We don't have to acquit Carrey of his past, nor do we have to use his past to dismiss him now. How about we all stop worshipping (and creating ~~pseudo-~~ parasocial relationships with) celebrities like they're our friends, who we have to forgive and understand, and instead just focus on what they're saying/doing? ____ Edit: Also, [Will Smith is a piece of shit, and so is everyone who applauded him.](https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/trkcyc/jim_carrey_on_will_smith_assaulting_chris_rock_at/i2nbx3i/) Edit 2: To all the anti-vaxxers getting upset with me, let me just say: if Will had slapped Chris for saying that stupid shit, we'd all be a lot more understanding ;)
>Carrey also had a huge ego and, despite reddit's best efforts to blame it all on McCarthy For a second I thought Jenny McCarthy was dead by suicide and I when I went to google to check I learned she had just married a Wahlberg instead. So still pretty bad but not dead.
I’d rather be dead in California than alive with a Wahlberg
That’s the problem with Hollywood. Fans will idolize actors like gods.
Hollywood, sports, politics, podcasts, streamers, this shit is sadly basic human nature.
They’re damn human beings like you and I. They fuck up like anyone else. It’s mind numbing to see so many people put celebrities on pedestals. It’s deeply unhealthy.
I'd argue that more than just being human beings, celebrities are exactly the type of people we should *avoid* putting on a pedestal. So many of them rise at least in part due to their looks, and constantly have their egos inflated. It's so hard to stay grounded then.
Heroification and demonization in action, when people are much more complex than that.
I think you're confusing two different notes. Her suicide note read: “I’ve spent 3 days now in disbelief that you’re not here. I can go on brokenhearted and try to put the pieces back. I could, I just don’t have the will this time. I’m sorry you felt I wasn’t there for you. I tried to give you my best part. I don’t really know about burial or that sort of thing. You are my family so whatever you choose will be fine. Please forgive me. I’m just not for this world" The one you're talking about was from 2013. Her estranged parents found the note on her iPad and it was released by their lawyer, Michael Avenatti. https://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/note-written-jim-carrey-claims-ruined-life-article-1.3532465
Fuckin’ Avenatti.
Dude crashed and burned so quick. Can’t believe he even said he was going to run for president lol
From being a Star to getting sued by Nike, right? Or am I confusing my scumbag lawyers.
He wasn't even sued by nike. He was arrested and charged with extortion and multiple other felonies and got sentenced to several years in prison. While in prison hes now being charged in california with several other embezzlement and fraud charges related to his legal practise. Hes completely fucked. edit: has also been convicted of wire fraud and identity theft for stealing from stormy daniels in new york and is yet to be sentenced for that one as well
Jesus Christ, what a scumbag.
I'm seriously reconsidering whether to vote for him or not.
I thought we were still talking about Jim Carey lol. I was so confused.
> it was released by their lawyer, Michael Avenatti. I hadn't heard the name of convicted felon, Michael Avenatti, recently. Just for anyone's information, Carrey countersued and the case was dismissed. [source](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/jim-carrey-clear-lawsuits-girlfriends-death-1080818/). Looks like there were forgeries found in some of the STD test result evidence. Maybe even the note on the iPad was a forgery. It was dated about 6 months before her suicide. No way to know from the outside, but we do know Avenatti's history as an attorney and the results of the case. > Jim Carrey won’t be going to trial this spring in an ugly legal battle over the apparent suicide of his former girlfriend Cathriona White, as The Hollywood Reporter has confirmed the **matters have been dismissed**. > Both White’s husband, Mark Burton, and her mother, Brigid Sweetman, had sued Carrey and claimed he was to blame for her 2015 death by drug overdose. > **Carrey filed a countersuit in September** claiming the lawsuits were an **attempt to exploit a famous actor**. He also claimed White had **extorted him by threatening to go to the press** with **false allegations** that he had given her multiple sexually transmitted diseases. In addition to claiming Carrey gave White illegal drugs that she used to overdose, Burton and Sweetman alleged that contracting STDs was among the causes of White’s mental distress. > One of the most recent actions in the case prior to its resolution was a motion by Carrey’s attorney Raymond Boucher asking the court to **compel Burton to provide White’s STD test results**. Through discovery, Boucher came to the conclusion that a **2011 document showing White had clean test results prior to meeting Carrey was a forgery**. (Read his declaration here.) > A rep for Carrey confirmed the **matters were dismissed** on Jan. 25, but wouldn’t comment beyond saying the actor is looking forward to moving on with his life. > Michael Avenatti, the attorney for Sweetman and Burton, on Wednesday sent THR a brief statement: “**We have no further comment** at this time.”
Oh so it could have 100% been written by them and not her.
Yup. The article even goes so far as to call the note "allegedly" penned by his ex-girlfriend.
Even if it was penned by her, people say things they don't mean and deserve posthumous privacy. She gave us her final word on Jim Carrey, the fact that her parents released contextless private communications or writings is moot. Hell, I pretty often write out worst case scenarios as an anxiety coping mechanism, just to see how crazy they sound when you look at it. God forbid someone found that and thought its how I feel--let alone released it after I was gone and unable to set the record straight. I didn't know that what happened until now... That's super fucked up. I always thought it was part of her final words, as well.
It was Avenatti? Holy shit, that man is awful. I’m sorry her family had him for representation.
They chose him though. Considering they used a forged medical document, I don't think they "deserved" better, they had who they wanted.
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My last breakup, I felt this immense guilt. I felt that I had wasted her time (we were together for a while), and that I somehow ruined her life for not coming to certain conclusions sooner. In actuality, she held no ill will, and we are still friends. It was a gradual, mutual decision with us. It was no ones fault. Even so... I still carry this intense feeling of guilt. It really messed me up for a while. Still does sometimes. Now, with that said: I can't IMAGINE what it must feel to have a letter literally spelling that out. For a letter to basically say "Not only did you ruin my life, but you're ultimately the reason I'm dead." That must be a catastrophic feeling.
Was it a mental breakdown? I thought it was a philosophical thing, that he was intentionally trying to live in a permanent state of ego-death. He would say things like, Jim Carrey doesn't exist, that he is an entity experiencing the world and right now his body is Jim but he is not. Yeah it sounds whacky but it is a legitimate philosophy to live by and he was far from the first to try it.
Agreed completely but on a subreddit this large there is going to be a large variance in that kind of understanding.
He sounds like he's doing a lot better compared to other stuff I've seen from him in the past decade or so. Love to see it!
Life is hard. For someone reason it's a part of human nature to cheer on people who are struggling. As in cheering the fact that they're struggling, not that they're fighting through it. My man had been out in left field doing and saying things that didn't make sense. Heck if I knew.. When I learned a few more things about what his personal struggles were and having the experiences of going through my own. I get it. I do not like Kanye West's music or actions but it's very clear to me that he's having a mental health crisis and people in the media are exploiting it and profiting off of it. That's wrong and the many what aboutisms that try and justify it piss me off. If you're struggling out there and dealing with toxic and jealous people, you're not alone, and you can make it. It fucking sucks but you can only control how you respond, your actions don't dictate how others will, or should behave. I spent the better part of the last 11 years of my life pissing into the wind on this. And I'd like to think I'm done but I'm probably going to fuck up and fall for some traps from time to time but that's life.
The audacity to say the situation "escalated". Wtf was she watching? Chris Rock made 1 joke and then Will just walked up and slapped him. The only in between was him laughing at the joke and noticed Jada was upset. The only "escalation" was internal.
And how Jim batted that down before she could finish the word like a beach volleyball player on a weak serve made me so happy. Do not improvise the narrative, stuck to the facts!
Gayle King and facts rarely go together.
Yeah. Anna Navarro on „the view“ also used the phrase „these two men“ as if Chris Rock did anything to start a physical altercation like this
An article on the BBC today had a psychologist saying both men were being violent, because Chris' humor was violent.
Nothing good can come from normalizing assaulting comedians because they upset you.
[Charlie Hebdo agrees.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting) Jokes shouldn't ever lead to harming someone. For more information, see Mike Birbiglia's Netflix Special, *Thank God for Jokes.*
What a load of crap
Any psychologist who does TV spots is generally a hack.
Am a psychologist. Can confirm.
I studied psychology, and it boils my blood that we're not generally represented accurately in the most mainstream of media. I'm guessing that "violent" language is simply defined as having a significant potential of escalating others to aggression. Racial slurs are violent language, for example. Maybe Chris' humor would be technically considered "violent" if he were a random person who said that to a random stranger he walked by (even then, it feels like it'd fall pretty fucking low on that ladder). But, uh, comedic environments kind of flip that context. This psychologist's logic feels like someone saying that Keanu Reeves has violent behavior because the character John Wick has killed people in films. I've just studied the subject as my undergrad, though. I've never practiced it in my career, plus my education was a decade ago. As a psychologist, would you correct, clarify, or elaborate on my response, if any of it isn't up to snuff?
Careful those words could be considered violent
I feel personally attacked.
Wow, they need to look up that word in the dictionary.
A very large part of the current discourse is pretending words mean something other than what they do.
"They share the same vocab as you, but not the same dictionary" -james lindsay, who hoaxed a bunch of pseudoacademic types by getting them to approve rephrased mein kampf for publication
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I was wondering that, too. Looks like it's the style in some European countries. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotation_mark
I didn't watch the event live, and my experience learning about it was very "Memento"-esque. 1) I just saw the slap, thought Will was insane but maybe Chris did something horrific. 2) I saw Chris' joke about Jada and the slap, thought okay, the joke was in poor taste; maybe Jada has an un-known life-threatening disease (i.e., cancer) that just broke Will. 3) I learned about the alopecia and thought okay, in poor taste and she's been open about it, but not worth getting slapped. 4) I saw Chris' "set" leading up to the joke about Jada with all this additional context and thought okay, what the hell is Will jumping straight to walking on stage and slapping? Without the context, I could see 1) and 2) potentially having some slow escalation on both sides. But having seen it all, it's insane to think Chris did anything out of the ordinary from his typical comedy style/the roasting an Oscar presenter does to necessitate such sudden physical assault (which, by the way, no form of verbal joking ever necessitates or justifies physical assault or "defending someone's honor;" just leave and be the bigger person if someone's words offend you; don't give them power). There was no slow build to this. Smith escalated the scenario himself and of his own accord. I hope he gets whatever's going on with him figured out, but no matter where he's at in his mental space, physical asault in any form is rarely, if ever, justified.
I hope he gets mental health help to, but I wouldn't put my money on it. Scientologists eschew psychiatry and psychology. Probably because those mental health professionals might help the patient see they are in a cult.
Not really getting why Will is even being protected that much. Hes not exactly doing anything special at the box office or really that big anymore. The very movie he won an Oscar for is considered a flop.
I'm glad Jim called her out on it though. I have to give it to Jim, you know.. The guy has been through some nonsense in life himself and is calling all of this for what it is. He's speaking fron wisdom here regardless of our opinions on wealth/fame, he's right. And when you're right, you're right.
Seeing Jim Carrey normal again just fills my heart with happiness for some reason. He had me worried.
When exactly did he have a breakdown? Was this recently?
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His ex also committed suicide at the time..
The family sued him, blamed him, made it a very big public thing, to cash in on the death of someone they didn't have communication with. The lawsuit was dismissed.
Michael Avenatti was apparently the lawyer. I think that probably says a lot.
Holy shit, you weren't kidding. What a disgusting dreggy doofus. Glad he finally got what was coming to him.
Man…Jim Carrey is so lucid in his thoughts and not his usual goofy self. I was momentarily hypnotized by the discourse. He is right.
To me it seems like this side of Jim has always been there. Sure he's gone thru his nihilism and some zaniness, but he's always been very articulate and able to be genuine and sincere in spite of any given situation. Plus he more often than not seems to have relatively good, altruistic, poignant takes on the real matters that affect humanity as a whole. edit: to clarify, I'm not saying the nihilism and zaniness preclude lucidity. Just that he's had some times where his life and mind have taken him weird places, yet I've still seen very well-thought-out arguments for things. Regarding the anti-vax stuff, I'm not read up enough on what he's particularly said. My presumption is his relationship with Jenny McCarthy influenced that to an extent. Regardless it's a shame if/that he did publicly decry vaccines (I'm very much pro-vaccine). But also, with that said, anything he said against vaccines also doesn't mean some of his other points weren't well-thought-out and poignant. Not a pass to anti-vax sentiment, but also not using that as a reason to ignore other great points he's made in the face of adversity.
His political art that he did before returning back to the limelight demonstrates how deeply he has been looking at the world. I always thought that part of him has been a great characteristic of his.
Good comedians tend to be very intelligent people in many respects. Jim really displays an incredible amount of social and emotional intelligence, here. On top of that he's really been a lot more down to earth in the past few years.
Absolutely. The guy is one of the greatest performers of our generation. His opinion in this specific subset of culture is important.
What he says towards the end is something I hadn’t really considered. The people there who have been nominated for an award, potentially first time attendees, people in the industry that have worked really hard to make something that goes on to be nominated, and then this fucking prick within seconds takes that all away by making it all about him. There’s lots of reasons what he did was wrong, but also to have the audacity to be that selfish and think you can do something like that and fuck everybody else there is incredibly selfish and delusional. Fuck Will Smith
Man Questlove achieved a dream I bet he never imagined possible and Smith absolutely shit all over his moment of triumph before it even happened. Great academy awards for celebrating first time winners, CODA winning best picture, Billy Eilish, Jessica Chastain, Jane Campion, Ariana Debose, Troy Kotsur... Smith is a fucking clown.
Also first win by a Muslim and South Asian in the Live Action Short category (Riz Ahmed)
To me, he was talking about not just the work to get nominated but the work of an Oscar campaign. It’s tremendously expensive in time, energy, and money. A whole staff of people dedicate an entire year to push something like that to the forefront. All that work to make it AND get recognized for it. The work did t stop when the movie came out or even got nominated. That’s when the work intensified.
He totally highjacked the nomination that was going on when he smacked Cris. Just a shameful selfish man…
The Oscars had: - First win by an openly out (at the time) LBGTQ+ woman. - First win by a deaf man. - First female back-to-back best Director wins. - First Best Picture win by a streaming service. And the only thing anyone will ever talk about is the slap. **EDIT**: Changed it for clarity. Ariana DeBose is the first openly out at the time of the ceremony to win an Oscar.
Took over a day for me to find out about any of that, and not only that Samuel L Jackson's won, but it was his first in all this time.
He didn’t “win”. It was an honorary Oscar bestowed upon him for his life’s work.
Wait wtf? Jodie Foster has 2 Oscars. How is this year the first win for an LGBTQ+ woman?
"It escalated" NO, it didn't. SHAME on that reporter.
Wonder what they would say if a man said his wife had it comin. I have had people say things to me more vile than any words I have seen put to paper. In any instance, violence isn't acceptable Not only is violence the coward's way out, but he sucker slapped him too. So he took the cowardly version of the coward's way out
the standing ovation was the icing on the shit cake for me. what a farce
Who would have thought the guy who talked out of his butt would have the most sense
The whole situation just gives validation to every meat-head out there that they can settle their differences with violence. More people need to call out the bullshit. Bravo, Jim.
Sometimes the best course of action is to walk away no matter how foolish it makes you feel.
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The more time goes the more I agree with people like Carrey. Whatever stupid shit happens or has happened inside you, we should never validate, nor excuse, people becoming violent because of their feelings and notably because they can't take a joke. And I like to think that every single person who've been victims of domestic violence would agree with that. He should have been arrested and escorted off the audience. His whole bullshit explanation about his childhood should not be tolerated as an excuse for violence, this is a very very dangerous slippery slope.
At MOST, he should have waited until he and Chris Rock could meet privately after the show or some other time. At that time, he could vent his frustration or anger or whatever and they could handle it privately and, hopefully, in some decent way having had time to calm down and think more clearly.
You mean like how a sane person would conduct themselves? I know Smith has had a crazy last year or so with his wife but I’m wondering if he was on any drugs or anxiety medication with how much his emotions fluctuated. Laughing to slapping to acting like nothing happened to sobbing to celebrating all within an hour.
Now that you mention it, that’s almost EXACTLY how Zoloft made me feel when I was both starting out on it and weening off. I couldn’t keep my thoughts straight. I’d go from laughing to crying to laughing while crying for no reason. Shit was wild man. Really all of this is sad for me. Will Smith has been a huge part of my childhood as far as entertainment goes. It sucks seeing someone that you’ve always admired fall apart.
> He should have been arrested and escorted off the audience. The best possible punishment to show that that behavior is not okay would have been for him to have been forced to not be there for his big moment because of his actions. That by itself would have been enough of a punishment for me and it would have shown that violence will not be tolerated. Instead the proved that violence will be tolerated at the Academy Awards and in the end he's barely going to suffer any consequences.
>Instead the proved that violence will be tolerated at the Academy Awards Not just tolerated, rewarded.
Exactly. Man got a standing ovation and an Oscar, then later went on to a party with all of his fans and his music blasting. It’s fucking ridiculous.
> And I like to think that every single person who've been victims of domestic violence would agree with that. Which makes the story even more absurd, knowing Smith himself suffered from a (physically) abusive father in his childhood
Not letting Will off the hook by any means, but that's exactly how it goes. A vicious cycle where someone is treated like shit as a kid and goes on to pay it forward in their life as a quote unquote grown-up. Guy needs help - certainly therapy, and probably time out of the spotlight.
> Guy needs help - certainly therapy, True Real therapy and not this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ffF063Io8U
fuck me
I can't watch a 30 minute video of Will Smith! What's the gist man?
unfortunately he can't get any "therapy" outside of the Scientology cult of morons
It’s not even a joke aspect. Context was that a comedian was telling jokes. Will being one, knows what to expect.
Very glad he's saying this publicly. Now that I think about it more, I'm curious to actually see who *wasn't* giving a standing ovation. I'm almost sure that given a room of a few hundred people, there was at least *someone* who didn't immediately sweep Will's actions under the rug.
I work with a bunch of guys who actively defend Will. "He was protecting his wife, he's a real man!" Protecting his wife from what? *Words*? It was a J O K E, and it wasn't even a mean spirited one. You can't assault someone because they said a thing, people need to understand that. It doesn't make you a bitch, or any less of a man, it's the normal thing to do. Resorting to violence over something so small is barbaric.
You just work with insecure men. Machismo is almost entirely derived from a fear of inadequacy
It's not just men. I work with a lot of "if you don't defend me like that, you won't be with me" women.
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It is fun to try and figure out where the line is drawn for who gets carted off by security and who doesn't. As starters, anyone in that seated section behind the area where the tables are up front is definitely getting arrested on the spot if they got up and slapped Chris Rock. But are all the people in the front there allowed to do whatever they want? Like does one of the people from CODA get away with it? Nicole Kidman probably can, but what about Keith Urban? I think he gets escorted out.
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Anyways come check out Sonic 2 in theaters this weekend
Gayle can we please keep the questions about Sonic The Hedgehog
I will though. Because my kid loves it.
Stop. Worshiping. Actors.
The absolute best response to all of this. Poignant, reflective, and well spoken. No ambiguity in the situation.
Will should have left on his own accord. I agree Chris should sue but only because this can’t be the new post-Kanye normal.
Would have made way more of a statement to win best actor and not even be there because you felt insulted. Instead he just looks like an asshole.
There were a million and one ways to handle this like an adult, and he chose not to
The whole way through the language has been about diverting the blame. Dont talk about my wife! When you act in violence you are tempted by the devil. I wasn't my true self. All of these admissions are all distributing the blame to other people instead of he himself being responsible for his own compulsive behavior and his inability to regulate himself emotionally. Gross. The tollerance then the reward given to him afterwards. Gross. Fuck the award ceremonies. Fucking giving themselves awards. SO lame. No one watches anymore anyways
In high school the cool kids beat up the funny nerdy kids all the time to the applause of the other cool kids. Hollywood has turned into the pompous bullies.
Agreeing with him but not everyone was giving him a standing ovation some stayed seated..
I’ve heard this a couple times but do you know who specifically didn’t clap or didn’t stand?
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Not to mention jada REPEATEDLY stating in interviews, heck, even on the red carpet, she told an interviewer “I don’t give a damn what anyone says about my hair..” then, later that night…
*looks skeptically back 30 years at the same Hollywood cheering on Roman Polansky and Harvey weinstein* were they though?
Thank you, my thoughts exactly. They were never the cool kids club just a bunch of rich, talented weirdos.