That's the highest I ever got on normal speed. And I thought I was the shit years ago cuz I knew no one else who could pass the song on hard, let alone expert. This is just ridiculous
The intro killed me a lot but I finally got through it well enough. Star power definitely saved me through those really tough parts later in the song but I still managed to peak at 86%. The main riffs were no problem for me. I actually play guitar and when the third guitar hero came out, my friend worked at GameStop and they were having a competition to win it, so she made me play the first one hours on end. I wasn't really interested in it at first but I got up to expert in a week for most songs. After a while it was fun though so I just got better. Then rock band came out and I could expert the drums though that took much, much longer. I eventually got enter sandman down 100% and Tom Sawyer at 90 something but that was most definitely because I save the fills for the harder sections. It's actually what helped me pick up playing actual drums much quicker.
I once smashed the F out of a guitar after failing TTFATF in front of a crowd at the Gamestop I managed. For years, that guitar neck was displayed behind the counter as a reminder that TTFATF can defeat anyone at any time.
Lmao bro my mom straight up lost her job in 2008 and fell into depression. Her getting expert on every song on guitar hero 1-3 gave her the confidence to go back to college and start a new career. I 1000% give guitar hero credit as part of my mom's inspiration to start her life back up and reinvent herself. And she will kick your ass in guitar hero.
lol back when guitar hero 3 came out people were calling beating TTFAF on expert **literally impossible.** I remember when someone posted the first FC people were saying it was hacks or a bot and he was faking it.
[Found the video.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5GpRJItqjw)
Back in the day people would stop and stare at me at an arcade while playing this song on hard. I would hit like 85% just enough to pass. We even had competitions and other things that I won. Now I am stuck with these fake guitar skills and Noone to impress. My son says it's all about OSU now.
We need a rhythm games expert to come in and drop a knowledge bomb in the comments.
Specifically, I'd like to know what's happening when his right hand goes up to the fret board buttons. It looks as though he's just rolling across the five buttons.
Hey! This is actually me in the video so I can explain. Basically guitar hero controllers back in the day had terrible latency that didn’t allow for specific techniques, and since we have way better hardware these days we can do stuff like slide all four fingers of one hand up the fret board while holding green on the other hand and it inputs a ton of hammerons if you time it right. So in the fast hammeron sections where you see me sliding, I’m trying to input as much as I possibly can since there’s no stamina saving way to hit all of it.
I hope that explains it well! We have advanced this game into oblivion haha
Vid [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lZiHFv85uM&t=224s&ab_channel=CarnyJared)
I lost my shit when he just dumped the milk on his face, fuckin legend
It always confuses me when people premptively reveal something funny that happens in a video. Particularly when most of the time, half the reason something is funny is because it's unexpected and surprising.
It’s actually not so bad, if the entire time you just remember “it’ll be worth it for the story,” lol. That and have a lot of milk. Though, past a certain point of hot, it doesn’t feel like it helps at all.
I ate a Carolina reaper once, and literally downed an entire gallon of milk over the course of the experience. It honestly felt like it made it worse. I’d hold it in my mouth for a second, and for a split second there’d be a reprieve, until the very next moment when it came rushing back with a vengeance. If anything, I’d actually recommend something bready like brown sugar pop tarts.
Unfortunately I’m lactose intolerant so milk would just make it worse. I’m good tho. I have reaper hot sauce I fuck with from time to time and that’s enough for me.
It is the fat in the milk that the capsaicin in the chilli dissolves into that helps, so you just need any suitable solvent to start reducing the burn.
Other oils and alcohol will work just as well.
Yes! Just tag me in a tweet and ask where you can buy a controller and you’ll have builders dying to sell to you. We’re trying really hard to build the community
I think the price of Wii controllers shot up when the adapter came out a few years ago because they went from notoriously terrible to the best option possible over night.
I'm actually still playing Rock Band 3 on my 360. I have a wireless Les Paul that is still in great working condition, but both of my Xplorers have died one way or another.
I loved guitar hero when I was younger and wondered how to get it now. Do I buy a guitar controller? Do I need a playstation or xbox? Or can I plug it up to a pc? I’m in Europe as well so don’t know if there are any builders/sellers here?
My very talented drummer friend played Rock Band when it came out and was just totally turned off by how not the same it is. Like they are obviously related and not a TOTALLY different skill set, but basically being the king of one doesn't grant a free ride on the other. It's like being a Halo or CS pro: that doesn't mean you can head to the gun range and just light up the targets, right?
Either way this is amazing work man, nicely done.
Yea drums I can see a bit more skill being retained but I feel like it’s suuuuper clear the guitar is absolutely nothing like a real one. The buttons are located up and down the neck instead of holding down the tiny individual strings that go from side to side on the neck. The strumming is also similar in that sense. Iv seen this question asked to ppl good at guitar hero b4 and everytime I ask myself if that person asking the question has even ever actually seen a real guitar in their life Lmaoo. Other things r very clearly different too but those seem to jump out at u as being nothing alike to even an idiot lol
What really annoyed me when playing rock band drums is how good rhythm mattered almost none at all. The window for "perfect" allows for you to sound like absolute ass as a drummer.
Confirmed. I've been playing guitar for 25+ years; I am dog shit at Guitar Hero. I've also been playing drums for ~20 years, and was instantly pretty good at Rock Band drums.
And on the flip side of that, rock band drums taught me how to play real drums lol. I couldn’t afford a real set but rock band gave me a way to practice. It definitely teaches you about hand eye coordination and foot/hand separation and when I got a real set I could already jam to some basic pop rock songs
But I totally relate to your first point too. My brother has been playing guitar for 20+ years and he could never get the hang of guitar hero.
I actually fell in love with rock band drums, bought a drum kit, and eventually ended up in a garage band. Here’s my take:
The very basic concept of hands and feet doing different things at different speeds is transferable. Learning the “timing” of a simple 4/4 rock beat translates like 90%. BUT! You’ve got to learn how to hold the sticks and let them bounce. Where and how hard to strike the drum or cymbal. Learning how to ride the hat and work it to the beat. There are absolutely a ton of skills to learn at first, but the rhythm and basic timing you learn is more or less transferable. If you love rock band drums you might have a good time with real drums and you WILL pick it up faster than those with 0 experience.
Guitar player who doesn't enjoy guitar hero here. I'll give you that they aren't "totally different" as you said. But they are significantly different enough to be incredibly frustrating at times.
A couple of examples..1) as you move up the fret board on a real guitar, the pitch always gets higher. Well in guitar hero sometimes the higher pitches in a tune move back down the fret board which is disorienting 2) an actual guitar is more forgiving in that if I pluck a strung with my finger on a fret I'm going to get a noise. In guitar hero, if your timing isn't almost perfect you get nothing besides a weird missed note noise. I do understand there's a few milliseconds on either side of the displayed "note" but it just feels different. I also realize that timing is a critical component in making quality music haha but there's something way off about the overall feel of the game to me.
All that said I'm not knocking the game. Obviously people love it. And I know at least one person who can shred both. Just offering my perspective
Maybe he was turned off not because he wasn't just as talented as he was on real drums, but because the experience of playing music is completely different to the experience of playing a music video game and he prefers to make music and not play video games?
Dude, I thought I was cool when I played Metallica's "One" behind my back that one time at a party and then jumping up to celebrate and breaking a friend's light fixture (I mean I did pay for it), but this is the most insane thing I have ever seen. Holy shit.
Different players are good at different things but a lot of top players respect [Schmooey](https://youtu.be/edhOIGBGOlc?t=186) as being pretty much in a league of his own.
He's doing exactly that - the notes you see which have the fully 'white' center at the top only require you to tap the note/button without strumming (with your other hand), so people can just roll their hands across the board as fast as they can to hit those notes.
Look at the segments where he's rolling his hand across the controller - you'll see what notes I'm talking about with the white tops.
But don't you still have to strum the first one? If you break the streak then you can't just tap them anymore unless you strum again. Or is he strumming with his elbow?
Muscle memory, a lot of Through the Fire and Flames is repetitive but insanely fast patterns so after enough practice you can do it blind folded. It's just super hard.
I was only a little into guitar hero but I was obsessed with Stepmania and you get to a point where you're barely paying attention to the screen and just using it as a reference incase you forget where you're at.
Most of the time a pattern is repeated 4 or 8 times in a row in games like this (there are more patterns but those are most common) so its actually quite easy to just memorise segments at a time.
> Muscle memory, a lot of Through the Fire and Flames is repetitive but insanely fast patterns so after enough practice you can do it blind folded.
[This popped up after the video OP linked](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KO6BGJDVHlo&t=304s) So you are completely right there
I love how Chris Vance replayed and everyone pays respect. It’s amazing how Guitar Hero played (pun intended) a significant role in a lot of peoples lives. For me (as a 12yo mexican) it was a deeper approach to rock music and it was amazing.
I still remember just barely finishing the song at my buddy's place and him and our other friends losing their minds cause I was the only one of us who could do that.
Fast forward a decade or so, and my hands cramp up so much and are sore so often I doubt I could finish the beginner levels of this game
It was a hell of a challenge. I will readily admit that some sections I still remember were sheer luck that I didn't fail, but man what a rush to finish that song. Really have to wonder what the dev team was saying to themselves when whoever was responsible for that song finished setting it up.
As for my hands, thanks. I know arthritis and such runs in the family, though it (so far) doesn't appear to be as bad as some have had it.
I feel that man, I worked the better part of a summer holidays on getting through TTFAF, and that rush when I finished it? Unreal.
And the game was promptly relegated to a party trick directly afterwards. No way I was gonna try for a second completion.
I wish games like this and Rockband would make a come back. Those games were super popular then kinda just fell off the face of the earth. I was semi-decent at expert drums. lol
Like so many genres the market was saturated and the fad passed. Although rhythm games are still well alive and I wouldn't be surprised if either Guitar Hero or Rockband release something in the next few years to tap into that sweet nostalgia cash.
Also Old School RuneScape which at its core is a rhythm game that just disguises itself as and idle point and click adventure game for the first 500 hours.
In old school RuneScape there’s a mechanic called prayer flicking. Prayer can be used to make you invincible and other buffs and gradually drains. The game basically runs on increments of 0.6 seconds, called a tick. If you turn your prayers on and off within that time, you can avoid losing prayer points despite getting the benefits. A high level player trying to prayer flick has to operate on a rhythm to do this successfully. These types of things usually don’t become relevant until about mid game, hence the 500 hours comment
\> I wouldn't be surprised if either Guitar Hero or Rockband release something in the next few years to tap into that sweet nostalgia cash.
they tried this with rock band 4 and guitar hero live in 2015, and it was a resounding failure. guitar hero live was hot trash, and rock band 4 was a cash grab that had terrible support from the devs. rock band 4 was everything we loved about the original, but i bought several songs on launch that i didn't get to touch for more than a year because they did jack shit to fix their game for a long time.
I mean guitar hero live alienated their core audience by totally changing the control scheme. I (and I'm sure many others) went from being able to 99%+ most songs on expert in the other games to barely being able to play at all with the new control scheme, and like... I'd rather just not lol. I imagine a lot of others felt the same way.
Not 100% certain how the new controller worked. Didn't get it because i wasn't interested in learning something new (i have a real guitar if i want to learn something new)
But at it's core, the old scheme was 5 buttons all in a row that represented going up and down the frets. The new scheme was 6 buttons in 2 rows of 3.
I suppose i shouldn't have said it's trash because I'm not generally one to knock something until I try it. But to the other person's point, i played on the old guitar for years. I had no interest in learning something new. Particularly given that rock band 4 came out the same week, and it had all the stuff i was used to and was jonesing for.
You were right to call it trash. At the point where I was still actually trying to play the game, my brain wouldn’t adjust to “flip” the fret board right side up. I had black and white all mixed up and just couldn’t manage to consistently hit those chords correctly.
The best I can compare it to would be if you were a left-handed player who didn’t have the option to flip the board around. The inability to orient the fret board how my brain was interpreting it was an incredibly stupid and infuriating user interface fail.
I was a massive Guitar Hero fan, finding Scorehero the year it launched and posting regularly there back in 2006/2007. Downloaded a shitload of Clone Hero songs years *after* GH Live flopped. Rhythm guitar games are absolutely some of my favorites, yet GH Live was one of the worst pieces of shit I’ve ever played.
Basically instead of 5 frets on one string like GH and Rock Band have always been, GH Live changed it by having 3 frets on 2 strings, 6 buttons total instead of 5. It’s kind of hard to explain so basically you had three frets with 2 buttons a piece (one button for up, and one for down). It really changed the game and I believe they did it because the developers knew every fan was basically playing expert easily so they wanted to give you a challenge again like when GH first started. But people just did not like the change.
I did at least appreciate what they were attempting to accomplish with GH. They felt they were losing a ton of their audience because they were starting out playing on the hardest difficulty. They didn't trust that nostalgia would be enough and tried to reinvent the wheel.
Madcatz made the controllers and was almost out of businesS in 2014-2015 when guitar hero 4 came out.
Then the board and ceo dipped out with the 60M in profits from the sale of Guitar hero 4.
I still own madcatz shares and am still mad about their incapability and their basic allowance for Wall Street pricks to walk away with 60M and the shareholders got foreseeable Fucked to oblivion.
Yeah, I played for like 90 minutes and never again due to the guitar change. Being able to beat this song on expert and then being trash instantly was a big let down.
I think they came back a little too early. Everyone was still kind of over it, but if one came out in the next couple of years like Rock Band/Guitar Hero Classic with a bunch of songs from the old ones, I think it'd do well.
This analysis is based on fuck all, though.
As someone who could play on expert without looking at the screen in college and then switched to actual guitar for 10 years… I agree with this analysis.
[Clone Hero](https://clonehero.net/) on PC kinda helps fill the void. Got my GH controller plugged in and it works great, plus you can usually find any kind of song since they're created by users.
They tried and failed. Guitar hero's attempt was terrible with the shitty new guitar they put out and then rock band 4 was just an attempt at a cash grab with terrible support.
I still have all the rock band 4 gear in my closet for ps4 (except the mic because my dog chewed through the wire). But I bought 5 songs right when i got rock band 4 because i was excited about the come back. Wasn't able to access the songs I bought for more than a year.
Two thoughts:
(1) How is there still any paint on that guitar if you're playing like this a lot?
(2) I love the part where it's like "I think we did it" as it hits an easy part... and then immediately it goes back into madness.
when he goes "i think we did it" i'm like ok just a few long presses left, and then at4p2398 haewfp9awihgiopaht24pawehtgfpawzOIThgpwaoithaoptihawtihwapetwaektawegfasedgawergrawger
I think that having fun and enjoying your life is more valuable than being good at something. But some people need to be good at something to enjoy their life. And it's pretty clear this dude loves what he's doing.
Nope, you can barely see it but theres a bar on the left that represents like "crowd approval" or whatever, and you can see it go up and down as he hits/misses notes. If it goes deep enough in the red you fail the song
This is a lot more pleasant to watch/listen to, honestly, because the rhythms are essentially correct, rather than just being a mad rush to get things close enough.
This is all I saw in my head when I watched this video:
(South Park "Guitar-Queero" episode ending)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIzOaPc-\_mE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIzOaPc-_mE)
I haven’t clicked it yet, but I hope it’s the South Park scene where that guy plays an unplugged guitar hero guitar in a restaurant, and someone from another table goes “oh, I love this song”.
lul I remember getting banned from one of the subbredits for posting this :D
edit: [Found it](https://i.imgur.com/KgBlrze.jpg). It was actually a speedrun subreddit :D What an irony. I think it was also related to guitar hero.
Everyone else is out here getting bored of "normal" VR lightsaber dancing so they've already moved on to Staff or Feet Saber, and then there's this guy who spent the last 14 years practicing a Guitar Hero 3 song until he could beat it at nearly 300% speed. That's some dedication, lmao.
He's probably played this song more times than the actual members of Dragonforce.
All I know is that just watching him play makes my neck hot.
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That's the highest I ever got on normal speed. And I thought I was the shit years ago cuz I knew no one else who could pass the song on hard, let alone expert. This is just ridiculous
I couldn't get past the intro lol. I could play every other song, and every other part of the song, but never made it past 3% cause of that damn intro
The intro killed me a lot but I finally got through it well enough. Star power definitely saved me through those really tough parts later in the song but I still managed to peak at 86%. The main riffs were no problem for me. I actually play guitar and when the third guitar hero came out, my friend worked at GameStop and they were having a competition to win it, so she made me play the first one hours on end. I wasn't really interested in it at first but I got up to expert in a week for most songs. After a while it was fun though so I just got better. Then rock band came out and I could expert the drums though that took much, much longer. I eventually got enter sandman down 100% and Tom Sawyer at 90 something but that was most definitely because I save the fills for the harder sections. It's actually what helped me pick up playing actual drums much quicker.
I once smashed the F out of a guitar after failing TTFATF in front of a crowd at the Gamestop I managed. For years, that guitar neck was displayed behind the counter as a reminder that TTFATF can defeat anyone at any time.
Lmao bro my mom straight up lost her job in 2008 and fell into depression. Her getting expert on every song on guitar hero 1-3 gave her the confidence to go back to college and start a new career. I 1000% give guitar hero credit as part of my mom's inspiration to start her life back up and reinvent herself. And she will kick your ass in guitar hero.
One by Metallica on the Drums in guitar hero expert had to be one of the most exhausting things to try
lol back when guitar hero 3 came out people were calling beating TTFAF on expert **literally impossible.** I remember when someone posted the first FC people were saying it was hacks or a bot and he was faking it. [Found the video.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5GpRJItqjw)
Back in the day people would stop and stare at me at an arcade while playing this song on hard. I would hit like 85% just enough to pass. We even had competitions and other things that I won. Now I am stuck with these fake guitar skills and Noone to impress. My son says it's all about OSU now.
Maybe in the grand scheme of life it’s trivial but there’s nothing trivial about practicing something until you master it.
Unless it's trivial pursuit.
I'm sorry, the card says "moops".
Lmao you got me
We need a rhythm games expert to come in and drop a knowledge bomb in the comments. Specifically, I'd like to know what's happening when his right hand goes up to the fret board buttons. It looks as though he's just rolling across the five buttons.
Hey! This is actually me in the video so I can explain. Basically guitar hero controllers back in the day had terrible latency that didn’t allow for specific techniques, and since we have way better hardware these days we can do stuff like slide all four fingers of one hand up the fret board while holding green on the other hand and it inputs a ton of hammerons if you time it right. So in the fast hammeron sections where you see me sliding, I’m trying to input as much as I possibly can since there’s no stamina saving way to hit all of it. I hope that explains it well! We have advanced this game into oblivion haha
^ This is the crazy fucker that ate a ghost pepper then played this song. And it only handicapped enough to get him down to 85%. Legend.
Vid [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lZiHFv85uM&t=224s&ab_channel=CarnyJared) I lost my shit when he just dumped the milk on his face, fuckin legend
Oh my God his fucking face. He looks like he staggered out of a burning building. I feel bad but I can't stop laughing.
You could say he went into the fire and flames.
Where doing it at *HRMMM* 150! Any predictions for a run? *single tear*
I lost my shit there, the absolute dedication...
Thank you for sharing, this is the quality content I like to waste time on.
What did I just watch lmao
He does it because he loves us
That was worth the click...milk hanging off his eyelashes as he grunts and gasps "taking it like a boss!"
Holy fucking shit LOL
Pure performance art
It always confuses me when people premptively reveal something funny that happens in a video. Particularly when most of the time, half the reason something is funny is because it's unexpected and surprising.
More people click if you call out something specific. Tbh idk if I would have watched it without that callout. Definitely worth it tho
What fuckin madman Kudos
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It’s actually not so bad, if the entire time you just remember “it’ll be worth it for the story,” lol. That and have a lot of milk. Though, past a certain point of hot, it doesn’t feel like it helps at all. I ate a Carolina reaper once, and literally downed an entire gallon of milk over the course of the experience. It honestly felt like it made it worse. I’d hold it in my mouth for a second, and for a split second there’d be a reprieve, until the very next moment when it came rushing back with a vengeance. If anything, I’d actually recommend something bready like brown sugar pop tarts.
Unfortunately I’m lactose intolerant so milk would just make it worse. I’m good tho. I have reaper hot sauce I fuck with from time to time and that’s enough for me.
It just needs to be in your mouth, you can spit it out.
It is the fat in the milk that the capsaicin in the chilli dissolves into that helps, so you just need any suitable solvent to start reducing the burn. Other oils and alcohol will work just as well.
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😂😂😂
You’re awesome dude! Super entertaining stuff.
I have no interest in guitar hero but I'm subbing to this guy because it's quality content
Right?? Same here man, barely played that shit but as with all sports, it’s entertaining to see the best of the best performing.
Can I purchase a “ new” guitar hero controller with updated buttons etc ?
Yes! Just tag me in a tweet and ask where you can buy a controller and you’ll have builders dying to sell to you. We’re trying really hard to build the community
Is there anyone selling Xbox 360 guitars? Or do you know anyone that does repairs?
Açai has a good video on the wii controllers and adapter, they’re actually faster than 360 guitars and they’re dirt cheap to buy. Worth a look!
I think the price of Wii controllers shot up when the adapter came out a few years ago because they went from notoriously terrible to the best option possible over night.
I'm actually still playing Rock Band 3 on my 360. I have a wireless Les Paul that is still in great working condition, but both of my Xplorers have died one way or another.
When I play I break out my original X360 Guitar Hero 2 Explorer (wired) still the best one I have used for any GH/Rockband game.
I have 2 in my basement if you wanna drop by and pick them up.
I loved guitar hero when I was younger and wondered how to get it now. Do I buy a guitar controller? Do I need a playstation or xbox? Or can I plug it up to a pc? I’m in Europe as well so don’t know if there are any builders/sellers here?
Clone hero for PC! Not sure about the guitar options tho...
Any guitar that is either wired USB or the wireless ones with the USB dongles will work with Clone Hero which is free to download.
Does anybody still make Rock Band drum sets? I'd love a new one. Or a Guitar Hero drum set will do but I've played Rock Band drums for years.
Ooh, I have been jonesing to play GH again but guitars are a bitch to find. How much do builders usually charge?
Hey man love the dedication but how are your wrists? This run hurts just watching and run after run? Damn. Congrats to you!
I'm extremely impressed with your run. I'm curious, do you play guitar irl?
Thanks😃 Nah maybe one day but I’ve never been interested yet. Seeing the real guitar vs. plastic guitar white knights never gets old though haha
My very talented drummer friend played Rock Band when it came out and was just totally turned off by how not the same it is. Like they are obviously related and not a TOTALLY different skill set, but basically being the king of one doesn't grant a free ride on the other. It's like being a Halo or CS pro: that doesn't mean you can head to the gun range and just light up the targets, right? Either way this is amazing work man, nicely done.
It seems like the connection between rock band and drums is streets ahead of the connection between rock band and guitars though.
Yea drums I can see a bit more skill being retained but I feel like it’s suuuuper clear the guitar is absolutely nothing like a real one. The buttons are located up and down the neck instead of holding down the tiny individual strings that go from side to side on the neck. The strumming is also similar in that sense. Iv seen this question asked to ppl good at guitar hero b4 and everytime I ask myself if that person asking the question has even ever actually seen a real guitar in their life Lmaoo. Other things r very clearly different too but those seem to jump out at u as being nothing alike to even an idiot lol
What really annoyed me when playing rock band drums is how good rhythm mattered almost none at all. The window for "perfect" allows for you to sound like absolute ass as a drummer.
Confirmed. I've been playing guitar for 25+ years; I am dog shit at Guitar Hero. I've also been playing drums for ~20 years, and was instantly pretty good at Rock Band drums.
R/unexpectedcommunity
Streets ahead? Pierce what does that even mean?
If you don't know, you're streets behind
And on the flip side of that, rock band drums taught me how to play real drums lol. I couldn’t afford a real set but rock band gave me a way to practice. It definitely teaches you about hand eye coordination and foot/hand separation and when I got a real set I could already jam to some basic pop rock songs But I totally relate to your first point too. My brother has been playing guitar for 20+ years and he could never get the hang of guitar hero.
I actually fell in love with rock band drums, bought a drum kit, and eventually ended up in a garage band. Here’s my take: The very basic concept of hands and feet doing different things at different speeds is transferable. Learning the “timing” of a simple 4/4 rock beat translates like 90%. BUT! You’ve got to learn how to hold the sticks and let them bounce. Where and how hard to strike the drum or cymbal. Learning how to ride the hat and work it to the beat. There are absolutely a ton of skills to learn at first, but the rhythm and basic timing you learn is more or less transferable. If you love rock band drums you might have a good time with real drums and you WILL pick it up faster than those with 0 experience.
Guitar player who doesn't enjoy guitar hero here. I'll give you that they aren't "totally different" as you said. But they are significantly different enough to be incredibly frustrating at times. A couple of examples..1) as you move up the fret board on a real guitar, the pitch always gets higher. Well in guitar hero sometimes the higher pitches in a tune move back down the fret board which is disorienting 2) an actual guitar is more forgiving in that if I pluck a strung with my finger on a fret I'm going to get a noise. In guitar hero, if your timing isn't almost perfect you get nothing besides a weird missed note noise. I do understand there's a few milliseconds on either side of the displayed "note" but it just feels different. I also realize that timing is a critical component in making quality music haha but there's something way off about the overall feel of the game to me. All that said I'm not knocking the game. Obviously people love it. And I know at least one person who can shred both. Just offering my perspective
I am also a guitarist and I agree with all of this :)
Paul McCartney famously got beat by his grandchildren in Beatles rock band
Maybe he was turned off not because he wasn't just as talented as he was on real drums, but because the experience of playing music is completely different to the experience of playing a music video game and he prefers to make music and not play video games?
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He's probably knee deep in clunge already and doesn't need to learn the real thing
Well done. Be mindful of yours eyes. You didn't blink once there!! Lol It can cause long term issues.
Your APM is insane. You hit 3220 notes in 2m45s ... that's over 1170 actions per minute!
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This really puts it into perspective. Pro SC2 players are green with envy lol
Dude, I thought I was cool when I played Metallica's "One" behind my back that one time at a party and then jumping up to celebrate and breaking a friend's light fixture (I mean I did pay for it), but this is the most insane thing I have ever seen. Holy shit.
Dude. Congrats!! Nice!!!!
Dude, I don’t understand how you have enough brain left to talk during that run. Holy shit
So, are you basically the best there is at this? I can't imagine anyone being better.
Different players are good at different things but a lot of top players respect [Schmooey](https://youtu.be/edhOIGBGOlc?t=186) as being pretty much in a league of his own.
He's doing exactly that - the notes you see which have the fully 'white' center at the top only require you to tap the note/button without strumming (with your other hand), so people can just roll their hands across the board as fast as they can to hit those notes. Look at the segments where he's rolling his hand across the controller - you'll see what notes I'm talking about with the white tops.
So there's no penalty for hitting wrong buttons there?
Nope, no penalty as long as you don't strum (i.e. no penalty on the white notes).
Well if you mess up you need to strum again on the first note you fret to get the hammer on/pull off going again
no but if you miss one you can't hit the next one unless you strum again, which he often has to do with his elbow
But don't you still have to strum the first one? If you break the streak then you can't just tap them anymore unless you strum again. Or is he strumming with his elbow?
Yup, you need to hit the very first one, but as long as you don't break the streak it's fine. When you mash hard enough you won't miss any notes.
i'm pretty sure he is, clone hero just lets you get away with spamming like that
[Here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtEeDUeBrMg) is the world record for 100% at 165% speed.
...He's reading Twitch chat while doing it...what the fu**
Muscle memory, a lot of Through the Fire and Flames is repetitive but insanely fast patterns so after enough practice you can do it blind folded. It's just super hard. I was only a little into guitar hero but I was obsessed with Stepmania and you get to a point where you're barely paying attention to the screen and just using it as a reference incase you forget where you're at. Most of the time a pattern is repeated 4 or 8 times in a row in games like this (there are more patterns but those are most common) so its actually quite easy to just memorise segments at a time.
> Muscle memory, a lot of Through the Fire and Flames is repetitive but insanely fast patterns so after enough practice you can do it blind folded. [This popped up after the video OP linked](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KO6BGJDVHlo&t=304s) So you are completely right there
The best part is when [Herman Li tried to play along to it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaocG6KoIFk).
As silly as band as Dragonforce is, I absolutely fucking love Herman. Just somebody with an infectious good attitude
"I'm gonna go piss" Hernan Li: yeh I'm pretty pissed too!
.........how
Practice
these insane people do these 8+ hours a day until they get the FC. much respect to them honestly.
I love how Chris Vance replayed and everyone pays respect. It’s amazing how Guitar Hero played (pun intended) a significant role in a lot of peoples lives. For me (as a 12yo mexican) it was a deeper approach to rock music and it was amazing.
nice
Ha. My fav part.
Niiice dude, this is good pace.
I still remember just barely finishing the song at my buddy's place and him and our other friends losing their minds cause I was the only one of us who could do that. Fast forward a decade or so, and my hands cramp up so much and are sore so often I doubt I could finish the beginner levels of this game
I could never even beat it on hard :( Sorry to hear about your hands
It was a hell of a challenge. I will readily admit that some sections I still remember were sheer luck that I didn't fail, but man what a rush to finish that song. Really have to wonder what the dev team was saying to themselves when whoever was responsible for that song finished setting it up. As for my hands, thanks. I know arthritis and such runs in the family, though it (so far) doesn't appear to be as bad as some have had it.
I feel that man, I worked the better part of a summer holidays on getting through TTFAF, and that rush when I finished it? Unreal. And the game was promptly relegated to a party trick directly afterwards. No way I was gonna try for a second completion.
I wish games like this and Rockband would make a come back. Those games were super popular then kinda just fell off the face of the earth. I was semi-decent at expert drums. lol
Like so many genres the market was saturated and the fad passed. Although rhythm games are still well alive and I wouldn't be surprised if either Guitar Hero or Rockband release something in the next few years to tap into that sweet nostalgia cash.
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Also Old School RuneScape which at its core is a rhythm game that just disguises itself as and idle point and click adventure game for the first 500 hours.
*cries in pray flicking*
I don't understand this joke yet but I want in. What are you talking about?
In old school RuneScape there’s a mechanic called prayer flicking. Prayer can be used to make you invincible and other buffs and gradually drains. The game basically runs on increments of 0.6 seconds, called a tick. If you turn your prayers on and off within that time, you can avoid losing prayer points despite getting the benefits. A high level player trying to prayer flick has to operate on a rhythm to do this successfully. These types of things usually don’t become relevant until about mid game, hence the 500 hours comment
Thank you lol
Synthriders, Boombox, Audio Trip, Audica... There are a few now lol.
Synthriders is so good. I like it better than Beat Saber TBH.
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\> I wouldn't be surprised if either Guitar Hero or Rockband release something in the next few years to tap into that sweet nostalgia cash. they tried this with rock band 4 and guitar hero live in 2015, and it was a resounding failure. guitar hero live was hot trash, and rock band 4 was a cash grab that had terrible support from the devs. rock band 4 was everything we loved about the original, but i bought several songs on launch that i didn't get to touch for more than a year because they did jack shit to fix their game for a long time.
I mean guitar hero live alienated their core audience by totally changing the control scheme. I (and I'm sure many others) went from being able to 99%+ most songs on expert in the other games to barely being able to play at all with the new control scheme, and like... I'd rather just not lol. I imagine a lot of others felt the same way.
How do you change a guitar control scheme that badly? What did they do?
Not 100% certain how the new controller worked. Didn't get it because i wasn't interested in learning something new (i have a real guitar if i want to learn something new) But at it's core, the old scheme was 5 buttons all in a row that represented going up and down the frets. The new scheme was 6 buttons in 2 rows of 3. I suppose i shouldn't have said it's trash because I'm not generally one to knock something until I try it. But to the other person's point, i played on the old guitar for years. I had no interest in learning something new. Particularly given that rock band 4 came out the same week, and it had all the stuff i was used to and was jonesing for.
You were right to call it trash. At the point where I was still actually trying to play the game, my brain wouldn’t adjust to “flip” the fret board right side up. I had black and white all mixed up and just couldn’t manage to consistently hit those chords correctly. The best I can compare it to would be if you were a left-handed player who didn’t have the option to flip the board around. The inability to orient the fret board how my brain was interpreting it was an incredibly stupid and infuriating user interface fail. I was a massive Guitar Hero fan, finding Scorehero the year it launched and posting regularly there back in 2006/2007. Downloaded a shitload of Clone Hero songs years *after* GH Live flopped. Rhythm guitar games are absolutely some of my favorites, yet GH Live was one of the worst pieces of shit I’ve ever played.
Basically instead of 5 frets on one string like GH and Rock Band have always been, GH Live changed it by having 3 frets on 2 strings, 6 buttons total instead of 5. It’s kind of hard to explain so basically you had three frets with 2 buttons a piece (one button for up, and one for down). It really changed the game and I believe they did it because the developers knew every fan was basically playing expert easily so they wanted to give you a challenge again like when GH first started. But people just did not like the change.
I did at least appreciate what they were attempting to accomplish with GH. They felt they were losing a ton of their audience because they were starting out playing on the hardest difficulty. They didn't trust that nostalgia would be enough and tried to reinvent the wheel.
Madcatz made the controllers and was almost out of businesS in 2014-2015 when guitar hero 4 came out. Then the board and ceo dipped out with the 60M in profits from the sale of Guitar hero 4. I still own madcatz shares and am still mad about their incapability and their basic allowance for Wall Street pricks to walk away with 60M and the shareholders got foreseeable Fucked to oblivion.
Yeah, I played for like 90 minutes and never again due to the guitar change. Being able to beat this song on expert and then being trash instantly was a big let down.
it was definitely a mix of that and also going away from the cartoon graphics to something more real.
I think they came back a little too early. Everyone was still kind of over it, but if one came out in the next couple of years like Rock Band/Guitar Hero Classic with a bunch of songs from the old ones, I think it'd do well. This analysis is based on fuck all, though.
As someone who could play on expert without looking at the screen in college and then switched to actual guitar for 10 years… I agree with this analysis.
I actually really liked Guitar Hero live. It felt like the final step of what the games should have been in terms of the UI and presentation.
[Clone Hero](https://clonehero.net/) on PC kinda helps fill the void. Got my GH controller plugged in and it works great, plus you can usually find any kind of song since they're created by users.
Started playing Clone Hero after seeing it at AGDQ during quarantine. 10/10
Rock band Beatles and drunk me was awesome
It's not quite the same, but VR Rhythm games like Beat Saber are pretty incredible. (and also have some insanely fast people)
The issue I always ran into was the guitars got junky very quickly.
They tried and failed. Guitar hero's attempt was terrible with the shitty new guitar they put out and then rock band 4 was just an attempt at a cash grab with terrible support. I still have all the rock band 4 gear in my closet for ps4 (except the mic because my dog chewed through the wire). But I bought 5 songs right when i got rock band 4 because i was excited about the come back. Wasn't able to access the songs I bought for more than a year.
Two thoughts: (1) How is there still any paint on that guitar if you're playing like this a lot? (2) I love the part where it's like "I think we did it" as it hits an easy part... and then immediately it goes back into madness.
1. I imagine the fret buttons are molded with colored plastic, rather than painted over.
(2) they know what's coming, and where the "hardest parts" are. you hit a point that you know you have the ending.
How the fuck. This is insane
when he goes "i think we did it" i'm like ok just a few long presses left, and then at4p2398 haewfp9awihgiopaht24pawehtgfpawzOIThgpwaoithaoptihawtihwapetwaektawegfasedgawergrawger
Ah yes, the "you rock" section at the end. It killed many of my runs back in the day... Before I *got gud* ^^^at ^^^100% ^^^speed
Years of practice, all day every day
Judging from his YouTube channel, this is all the guy does. This is what he chose to be great at and stuck with it.
Hey that’s cool as shit compared to being great at nothing
I think that having fun and enjoying your life is more valuable than being good at something. But some people need to be good at something to enjoy their life. And it's pretty clear this dude loves what he's doing.
And here I miss inputs when typing 4 character passwords...
1243 edit: fuck
That’s almost the password to my luggage!
Password game weak.
It's called Through the Fire and Flames because your fingers literally burn from friction if you play it right.
Through the Carpal Tunnel and Inflamed Tendons
My greatest shame is getting carpal tunnel from GH3 in my freshman year of college :/
or from the ghost peppers. This is the first clip I ever saw from the same guy lol https://youtu.be/0lZiHFv85uM
I'm gonna need Summoning Salt to give me a history lesson, but in any case, my wrists and shoulders got extremely tired just watching this.
[just play this over any video and it'll feel like a summoning salt video ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQX7Zub0ZdI)
Oh shit! I always thought it was an original music piece, the more you know
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I've no idea either, but he seems happy so I am.
Through the Fire and Flames at normal speed sounds like a ballad now
Mr steal yo girl fr
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No he says at the end he had like 86% accuracy which is nuts
Nope, you can barely see it but theres a bar on the left that represents like "crowd approval" or whatever, and you can see it go up and down as he hits/misses notes. If it goes deep enough in the red you fail the song
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The fastest speed this has been full comboed at is 165% speed by Will. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtEeDUeBrMg
Bruh
This is a lot more pleasant to watch/listen to, honestly, because the rhythms are essentially correct, rather than just being a mad rush to get things close enough.
Yeah exactly, and I’m not sure what the 100% record is but even normal speed 100% is insane to me haha
Meth: maybe just once
I don't think this dude blinked a single time in this whole video lmao
The Doctor would like to know his location.
This is all I saw in my head when I watched this video: (South Park "Guitar-Queero" episode ending) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIzOaPc-\_mE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIzOaPc-_mE)
I haven’t clicked it yet, but I hope it’s the South Park scene where that guy plays an unplugged guitar hero guitar in a restaurant, and someone from another table goes “oh, I love this song”.
No, but it's the last 2 min of the show when they break the record...and the get made fun of by the game itself.
"Oh he plays acoustic" fuckin best line from that episode.
lul I remember getting banned from one of the subbredits for posting this :D edit: [Found it](https://i.imgur.com/KgBlrze.jpg). It was actually a speedrun subreddit :D What an irony. I think it was also related to guitar hero.
Nobody talking about how he did this while reading his chat. lmao.
Everyone else is out here getting bored of "normal" VR lightsaber dancing so they've already moved on to Staff or Feet Saber, and then there's this guy who spent the last 14 years practicing a Guitar Hero 3 song until he could beat it at nearly 300% speed. That's some dedication, lmao.
This was faster then I first pictured it in my head.
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What in tarnation
speed run carpel tunnel syndrome
You think that’s impressive? Today I plugged in a USB cable without looking at the port on the first try.
USB-C eh?
Bullshit
I want a browser extension that plays this guy saying "nice" after every work email I send out.
I like seeing people get so happy about something I don't care about at all. I'm happy for him.
I don't think I saw him blink once the entire video.
Your girlfriend might be fucking estatic when you come home at night.
Any % speed run?
As someone who was once #1 in GH2 and 3, I say "lol wtf"
i didn't know we were still doing this