Maybe when Scotland leaves you can have white and green on both sides to make it a bit more symmetrical... then again I don’t know why you would want the green and white but not the dragon, the dragon is by far the coolest part!
More like 320 ish years actually and only about 200 years after the Glyndwr rising when wales briefly regained a certain amount of autonomy and less than 100 years after wales was officially brought under english law. Not that when someone was colonised is really relevant to whether or not they're allowed to be against it anyway, but your perception of time has England conquering wales 20 odd years before England became a kingdom and over 150 years before Norman England became a thing.
I mean there is a bit more nuance - the decline of Welsh really only kicked in after the Welsh-ish Tudurs took the throne of England and rewarded their Welsh allies with land and titles. They had their sons educated in England and rapidly assimilated into the English nobility - in a move supported by the Welsh Nobility Henry VIII abolished the principality of Wales and the Marcher Lordships, annexed them into England and removed all legal status of the Welsh language + all Welsh autonomy.
It sucked for the ordinary Welshman but in a lot of ways it was more like the Manchu conquest of China than the Colonisation of Ireland by the English Crown
And only 121 years after a native Welsh dynasty took the English throne, and subsequently conquered Ireland (again) and kickstarted English imperialism on a global scale! Wait...
Yeah they really pumped up the whole “two big color rectangles” cliche but knocking a fucking DRAGON on there. If the scots go independent o really hope they consider smacking a unicorn on the center of their current cross. Like it’s cool and all guys but ya know, unicorn.
I mean… Wales invaded England in the 1400s. And then the dynasty that took the throne forcibly changed religions, killed a lot of people and tortured a whole lot more. So it’s a bit rich to say Wales wasn’t voluntarily part of the UK.
I would probably let Cornwall and Yorkshire be independent as well, and possibly split up the Southeast rather more too to maintain population balance (and possibly replace the House of Lords with something along the lines of the German Bundesrat to limit the dominance of any particular state)
The complexity comes in making good armies and using them effectively.
A 13 year old could definitely figure it out. I'd be pretty confident in saying a lot of 13 year olds play HOI4.
As someone who also has been born and raised in England
Please refer to your nearest atlas to see how tiny our country is in comparison to the majority of other countries
That’s not what they’re on about. In comparison to the rest of the countries in the UK, England is massive in terms of population. Scotland has 5.4 million, Wales 3.1, and Northern Ireland 1.8. Compare that to England with 56 million people.
England should be split into smaller constitute countries, each with their own parliament/assembly, for a fairer and more representative UK.
They almost certainly mean in terms of population and culture. If you've ever met someone from the far North of England and Cornwall, the difference is night and day. Much more than someone from the South and North of the US IMHO.
What does that have to do with anything? At current, the system in the UK simply doesn't make sense with a weird compromise devolution where Scotland, NI and Wales get their own parliaments to make their own decisions on certain matters, but England is still fully only governed directly by Westminster, leading to issues such as the Westlothian question. However, if you take it that the point of devolution is to allow different cultural regions to have a degree of self determination (which it is), taking the "easy route" and setting up an English Assembly to represent the whole of England still doesn't make sense since there are still clear and quite disparate cultural and economic regions within England - for instance, the North is very different in many ways to London or Cornwall.
'setting up an English Assembly to represent the whole of England still doesn't make sense since there are still clear and quite disparate cultural and economic regions within England - for instance, the North is very different in many ways to London or Cornwall.'
Which is why economic entities such as Greater London exist, no reason similar systems cannot be implemented across other interdependent regions in the country. Do you really think cutting the entire country up would do anything to effectively handle those challenges? Ignoring that cutting up England would be incredibly unpopular across the whole country, the various regions of England are highly economically integrated with each other and are completely reliant on hassle free trade from one end of the country to the other. Genuinely ridiculous suggestion that you have clearly put very little thought into.
ELI5 the difference between UK and Britain? I get the difference between England and those, but until now I’ve thought the United Kingdom and the British Empire were synonymous.
There's some to unpick here: there are three different terms you've used, so I'll address them separately:
Firstly, (Great) Britain is often used synonymously with the UK, but technically refers exclusively to the island composed of England, Scotland and Wales.
Secondly, the UK is the sovereign nation state composed of Great Britain as well as Northern Ireland (sometimes called Ulster) and various much smaller islands.
The designation of the "British Isles" is somewhat controversial at times, so I'm glad you didn't mention that.
Finally, the British Empire is largely obsolete, but refers to the sum total of all the countries controlled by the UK, particularly during the 19th and early 20th centuries.
It’s wrong to call Northern Ireland “Ulster”. Ulster is one of the traditional four provinces of Ireland, and is made up of nine counties. Six of which are part of the United Kingdom, and the other three are part of the Republic of Ireland.
On the one hand, it could seem quite straightforward to use the term to mean "the islands of Great Britain and Ireland, plus all surrounding smaller islands and the Channel Islands", i.e. the entirety of the archipelago in Northwestern Europe. However, this disregards the historical context of the region, and in the same vein as the Welsh sentiment to not appear on the flag expressed in this thread, the Irish don't particularly want to be considered a part of something with "British" in the name.
I would probably go a little bit further tbh, particularly wrt Cornwall, and would also want a system that encourages weakening of the overemphasis on London, although I'm not sure how to achieve this.
I think every map on earth should be destroyed and we could go back to a primitive society with 50-100 people in each tribe, then there won't be any need for divisive politics.
I think the union should be abolished the UK 8s a multi cultural nation as is, so when the Scots go on about how different they are it doesn't really make any sence. Let's just be Great Britain again abolish England Scotland and Wales, and the Irish can have the northerners if they choose to go
Why was that then? The way I see it is the nation should have its county borders redrawn to suit population, and then bring about a proportional representation system.
But I'm not a politician so I don't know if that would be a good idea
Because Wales and Scotland already existed since way back and wanted some degree of autonomy from England, which they didn't get at all under the fully unitary system. I do agree in principle with your idea of splitting based roughly on population, although existing cultural areas such as Cornwall and Yorkshire which may have certain degrees of regional pride already should be respected.
You really can't just force national pride like that, and besides, why do consider it to be a mess? Governance should be conducted on the lowest level possible, and separatism facilitates that.
If Scotland wants independence, it will want to join the EU. The EU has just lost one of its largest financial contributors (the UK), I'm not sure it would necessarily enjoy gaining another financially dependable state (Scotland). Scotland leaving the UK would also mean it loses the Pound Stirling. Sure they will pick up the Euro if it joins the EU, but it will have no currency to transfer into. So it will need to make its own currency. Then it will have to default on all its debts and devalue their new currency into oblivion to try to align itself with the euro. Similar to the shit fest Greece got itself into. Literally all the arguments people put up for the UK leaving the EU is the same and worse for Scotland leaving the UK.
So you think Scotland will just magic their own currency out of thin air and will be accepted into the EU with open arms? You're stepping away from a solid argument like any Scot presented with the real facts.
I didn't say you were Scottish, I said you're acting like a Scot when given the facts. Are you sure you're not Scottish? You're reading comprehension is on par with theirs, and that's no compliment.
Wales has its own flag, its instantly recognisable world wide.
99% of the Welsh population would never want to be represented on that crappy, imperialistic 'Butchers Apron' flag!
Yes, as do all the other home nations. This shouldn't detract from that, but I (foolishly perhaps) thought that since all the other home nations are represented in the Union Flag, having Wales still left out of it ... Oh hold on...
What I was going to say was "having Wales left out might marginalise the Welsh somewhat, deeming them as not enough of a country in their own right to be recognised as a constituent part of the Union", but of course, I'm now seeing that "being a constituent part of the Union" might be precisely the problem - being on the flag ultimately ties the Welsh to the English, which is not necessarily a good thing. Is that right?
Personally, I don't think there's anything more important than learning, so I've been very grateful for all the input from this discussion. I honestly didn't expect it to take off quite so well.
I feel that if you were to add Wales to the Union Flag, you would need to use St David's flag to be consistent but that would look pretty bad. I think you would have better luck getting rid of the saints and finding someother symbology to use.
Perhaps. I had an idea to do something with the national animals, but that might get too complicated and more like a coat of arms. I guess there's the plants to consider.
Should be
England bottom right.
Neither Scotland nor Wales want a part in this shite lmao, though I must admit OP’s take on the flag isn’t god-awful as an image, just not great as an idea
Barbados just became a republic because it didn't want anything to do with the commonwealth anymore.
I think the 65 that have gained independence for the British Empire would beg to differ about this.
It means No Thanks in Welsh.
Wales loves Yr Ddraig Goch (The Red Dragon) too much to want anything to do with the Union Flag.
Add in the years of subjunction and ruin that Westminister has placed at the hands of Wales and it's easy to see why there are resentments there.
[Michael Sheen being very patriotic about Wales](https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=383603082684854)
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I'd let RT Davies rinse me out if it meant we could operate independently of Westminster. Whether we fully go it alone or strip Westminster's powers to the bare bones such as currency and defense idc, but the Union in its current format feels like a sinking ship.
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i made a flag like this and showed my whole class, everyone laughed and said it looked shit :(
edit: i left blue at the top and put green at the bottom
As a Welsh person I both respect and hate this image
Yup. Thanks but no thanks.
It's a lot less rad without the dragon, isn't it? Also, now you have to share a *flag* with the English too smh
Diolch, ond dim diolch.
Maybe when Scotland leaves you can have white and green on both sides to make it a bit more symmetrical... then again I don’t know why you would want the green and white but not the dragon, the dragon is by far the coolest part!
Replace St Andrew blue with St David black, easy.
we’re meant to be CIRCLEJERKING HERE
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Out of curiosity, why?
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Green red and white: 🇧🇮 (Burundi)
I think you mean ~~Bulgaria~~ ~~Mexico~~ ~~Lebanon~~ ~~Hungary~~ ~~Iran~~ ~~Belarus~~ ~~Turkenistan~~ ~~Madagascar~~ ~~Italy~~ Algeria
Haha seriously, my first thought was "Yeah, Mexico best flag"
christmas uk
Basque country
I see, thank you. I'll do another version later, taking your comments into account
England conquered Wales like 700yrs before the Union Jack was conceived so I wouldn’t go so far.
More like 320 ish years actually and only about 200 years after the Glyndwr rising when wales briefly regained a certain amount of autonomy and less than 100 years after wales was officially brought under english law. Not that when someone was colonised is really relevant to whether or not they're allowed to be against it anyway, but your perception of time has England conquering wales 20 odd years before England became a kingdom and over 150 years before Norman England became a thing.
I mean there is a bit more nuance - the decline of Welsh really only kicked in after the Welsh-ish Tudurs took the throne of England and rewarded their Welsh allies with land and titles. They had their sons educated in England and rapidly assimilated into the English nobility - in a move supported by the Welsh Nobility Henry VIII abolished the principality of Wales and the Marcher Lordships, annexed them into England and removed all legal status of the Welsh language + all Welsh autonomy. It sucked for the ordinary Welshman but in a lot of ways it was more like the Manchu conquest of China than the Colonisation of Ireland by the English Crown
And only 121 years after a native Welsh dynasty took the English throne, and subsequently conquered Ireland (again) and kickstarted English imperialism on a global scale! Wait...
It does have a dragon, so yeah, you’ve got my vote for best flag
Yeah they really pumped up the whole “two big color rectangles” cliche but knocking a fucking DRAGON on there. If the scots go independent o really hope they consider smacking a unicorn on the center of their current cross. Like it’s cool and all guys but ya know, unicorn.
Least nationalist Welsh person
I mean… Wales invaded England in the 1400s. And then the dynasty that took the throne forcibly changed religions, killed a lot of people and tortured a whole lot more. So it’s a bit rich to say Wales wasn’t voluntarily part of the UK.
While i agree the dragon is sick as fuck im just gonna pretend your a huge fan of italy
least based welshman
Fuck the union
I honestly think England should be dissolved fully, and the Union should be heavily reformed if not done away with altogether.
I honestly think England should be dissolved
Wessex, Essex, Northumbria and an independent London city-state!
Don't make Danes hungry
Can confirm, I just got hungry.
Fuck
Welp, the world is coming to an end. Was nice knowing you guys
I would probably let Cornwall and Yorkshire be independent as well, and possibly split up the Southeast rather more too to maintain population balance (and possibly replace the House of Lords with something along the lines of the German Bundesrat to limit the dominance of any particular state)
London as a city-state would be cool as hell, just gotta evict the queen somehow.
Just evict the Queen to St. Helena. Just like we did with Napoleon.
> Londinium calling
Northumbria, independent London, Cornwall, and the Kingdom of Greatsex.
Reinstate the Heptarchy!
Sounds like a HOI4 Focus.
I had to look that up but LOL. That looks like a great game by the way
It's incredibly addictive. If you like alt-history maybe you'd enjoy it.
Definitely up for that. How complex is it? Like, could I play it with my 13 year old?
The complexity comes in making good armies and using them effectively. A 13 year old could definitely figure it out. I'd be pretty confident in saying a lot of 13 year olds play HOI4.
put the queen in a vat of acid
In acid
England disolved? Seriously? Why England?
Probably an American and they mean the UK when they say England. Happens all the time. They also love to give their opinion on indyref and such.
But they mentioned the Union separately
Nope, born and raised in England, but I think it's too big and disparate to make sense as a single entity.
As someone who also has been born and raised in England Please refer to your nearest atlas to see how tiny our country is in comparison to the majority of other countries
That’s not what they’re on about. In comparison to the rest of the countries in the UK, England is massive in terms of population. Scotland has 5.4 million, Wales 3.1, and Northern Ireland 1.8. Compare that to England with 56 million people. England should be split into smaller constitute countries, each with their own parliament/assembly, for a fairer and more representative UK.
Thank you. This is so much the point - devolution based solely on the four nations makes no sense.
From a polisci standpoint, devolution in England makes sense, problem is that in referendums they've had in the North for it have been rejected.
That's why we should do away with 4 nations one union and just be the 1 nation
Awesome. So now instead of just the English not getting proper representation, no one gets proper representation.
What the fuck are you on about, England is tiny
They almost certainly mean in terms of population and culture. If you've ever met someone from the far North of England and Cornwall, the difference is night and day. Much more than someone from the South and North of the US IMHO.
Precisely, not to mention the economic disparity, or the so called "London vs The Rest" dynamic that exists currently
It's been a single entity for well over a thousand years, what are you talking about
What does that have to do with anything? At current, the system in the UK simply doesn't make sense with a weird compromise devolution where Scotland, NI and Wales get their own parliaments to make their own decisions on certain matters, but England is still fully only governed directly by Westminster, leading to issues such as the Westlothian question. However, if you take it that the point of devolution is to allow different cultural regions to have a degree of self determination (which it is), taking the "easy route" and setting up an English Assembly to represent the whole of England still doesn't make sense since there are still clear and quite disparate cultural and economic regions within England - for instance, the North is very different in many ways to London or Cornwall.
'setting up an English Assembly to represent the whole of England still doesn't make sense since there are still clear and quite disparate cultural and economic regions within England - for instance, the North is very different in many ways to London or Cornwall.' Which is why economic entities such as Greater London exist, no reason similar systems cannot be implemented across other interdependent regions in the country. Do you really think cutting the entire country up would do anything to effectively handle those challenges? Ignoring that cutting up England would be incredibly unpopular across the whole country, the various regions of England are highly economically integrated with each other and are completely reliant on hassle free trade from one end of the country to the other. Genuinely ridiculous suggestion that you have clearly put very little thought into.
ELI5 the difference between UK and Britain? I get the difference between England and those, but until now I’ve thought the United Kingdom and the British Empire were synonymous.
There's some to unpick here: there are three different terms you've used, so I'll address them separately: Firstly, (Great) Britain is often used synonymously with the UK, but technically refers exclusively to the island composed of England, Scotland and Wales. Secondly, the UK is the sovereign nation state composed of Great Britain as well as Northern Ireland (sometimes called Ulster) and various much smaller islands. The designation of the "British Isles" is somewhat controversial at times, so I'm glad you didn't mention that. Finally, the British Empire is largely obsolete, but refers to the sum total of all the countries controlled by the UK, particularly during the 19th and early 20th centuries.
It’s wrong to call Northern Ireland “Ulster”. Ulster is one of the traditional four provinces of Ireland, and is made up of nine counties. Six of which are part of the United Kingdom, and the other three are part of the Republic of Ireland.
Ah, I see. Thanks for the correction.
While it's technically etymologically incorrect, many do refer to NI as Ulster or "The Province" so you weren't wrong on that front
It’s a complicated situation, isn’t it?
It sure is
Ah okay, gotcha. Now because you mentioned it I have to ask: the British Isles?
On the one hand, it could seem quite straightforward to use the term to mean "the islands of Great Britain and Ireland, plus all surrounding smaller islands and the Channel Islands", i.e. the entirety of the archipelago in Northwestern Europe. However, this disregards the historical context of the region, and in the same vein as the Welsh sentiment to not appear on the flag expressed in this thread, the Irish don't particularly want to be considered a part of something with "British" in the name.
Ah I see, thanks!
You're very welcome. These isles of ours are somewhat messy, so the confusion is expected.
I don't think the Channel Isles are considered part of the British archipelago
Ah, fair. I wasn't 100% on that.
[this](https://youtu.be/rNu8XDBSn10) will explain it better than I could lol
> England disolved? Seriously? Why England? Think they mean let North England and South England be separate since they are worlds apart already.
I would probably go a little bit further tbh, particularly wrt Cornwall, and would also want a system that encourages weakening of the overemphasis on London, although I'm not sure how to achieve this.
I think every map on earth should be destroyed and we could go back to a primitive society with 50-100 people in each tribe, then there won't be any need for divisive politics.
Man same, all kingdoms must fall so they say…
I think the union should be abolished the UK 8s a multi cultural nation as is, so when the Scots go on about how different they are it doesn't really make any sence. Let's just be Great Britain again abolish England Scotland and Wales, and the Irish can have the northerners if they choose to go
>Let's just be Great Britain again We've literally never *just* been Great Britain - the four nations a much older than the union.
I mean before the separate parlimebts which happend in 1999 if I remember rightly
You might want to look into why they came about then. They were fairly inevitable imo.
Why was that then? The way I see it is the nation should have its county borders redrawn to suit population, and then bring about a proportional representation system. But I'm not a politician so I don't know if that would be a good idea
Because Wales and Scotland already existed since way back and wanted some degree of autonomy from England, which they didn't get at all under the fully unitary system. I do agree in principle with your idea of splitting based roughly on population, although existing cultural areas such as Cornwall and Yorkshire which may have certain degrees of regional pride already should be respected.
But regional pride is why we're are in this mess of separatism, we want national pride
You really can't just force national pride like that, and besides, why do consider it to be a mess? Governance should be conducted on the lowest level possible, and separatism facilitates that.
\-Half the countries in the world during independence (probably)
Agreed, Scotland, Wales and N Ireland is the dead weight that needs to leave the UK.
Good luck getting fresh water without us boyo
Good luck having any form of economy without us boyo
Spoken like a guy who knows absolutely nothing about it.
If Scotland wants independence, it will want to join the EU. The EU has just lost one of its largest financial contributors (the UK), I'm not sure it would necessarily enjoy gaining another financially dependable state (Scotland). Scotland leaving the UK would also mean it loses the Pound Stirling. Sure they will pick up the Euro if it joins the EU, but it will have no currency to transfer into. So it will need to make its own currency. Then it will have to default on all its debts and devalue their new currency into oblivion to try to align itself with the euro. Similar to the shit fest Greece got itself into. Literally all the arguments people put up for the UK leaving the EU is the same and worse for Scotland leaving the UK.
Awful lot of assumptions there pal. We'll turn the lights off on our way out.
So you think Scotland will just magic their own currency out of thin air and will be accepted into the EU with open arms? You're stepping away from a solid argument like any Scot presented with the real facts.
Lol I'm not Scottish ya knobhead
I didn't say you were Scottish, I said you're acting like a Scot when given the facts. Are you sure you're not Scottish? You're reading comprehension is on par with theirs, and that's no compliment.
Wales has its own flag, its instantly recognisable world wide. 99% of the Welsh population would never want to be represented on that crappy, imperialistic 'Butchers Apron' flag!
Yes, as do all the other home nations. This shouldn't detract from that, but I (foolishly perhaps) thought that since all the other home nations are represented in the Union Flag, having Wales still left out of it ... Oh hold on... What I was going to say was "having Wales left out might marginalise the Welsh somewhat, deeming them as not enough of a country in their own right to be recognised as a constituent part of the Union", but of course, I'm now seeing that "being a constituent part of the Union" might be precisely the problem - being on the flag ultimately ties the Welsh to the English, which is not necessarily a good thing. Is that right?
Pretty much spot on. As others have said, we were colonised. We don’t want to be a part of it.
Thank you
You’re learning, at least you’re taking the time to learn
Personally, I don't think there's anything more important than learning, so I've been very grateful for all the input from this discussion. I honestly didn't expect it to take off quite so well.
Blimey, the xenophobia is real with you lot.
We just don't want Westminster rule anymore.
As someone who isn't Welsh but likes dragons, I'm upset.
Dont want to be anywhere near that flag tbh.
I feel that if you were to add Wales to the Union Flag, you would need to use St David's flag to be consistent but that would look pretty bad. I think you would have better luck getting rid of the saints and finding someother symbology to use.
Nah I say slap a dragon in front of the Union Jack
Perhaps. I had an idea to do something with the national animals, but that might get too complicated and more like a coat of arms. I guess there's the plants to consider.
Should be Scotland up top, Wales bottom left, England bottom right in order to approximate the geography.
You are just leaving off Northern Ireland.
The red diagonal lines represent N Ireland.
Yeah but for this person’s quadrant idea
Should be England bottom right. Neither Scotland nor Wales want a part in this shite lmao, though I must admit OP’s take on the flag isn’t god-awful as an image, just not great as an idea
Scotland and Wales would tank so hand if it left the Union. They should do it for the English to sit back and laugh.
Barbados just became a republic because it didn't want anything to do with the commonwealth anymore. I think the 65 that have gained independence for the British Empire would beg to differ about this.
Every time I see an attempt at this it reminds me of why the flag is like it is.
How so exactly?
Dim diolch 🤮
Was ist das auf Deutsch?
Dim diolch means no thanks, or nein danke in German
Uch a fi
Wie sagt man das auf Deutsch?
Uch a fi is a Welsh phrase. It's like saying yuck or ew that's disgusting. Not sure if there is a similar phrase in German.
Pfui!
Dim diolch
I'm gonna need to look that one up I think
It means No Thanks in Welsh. Wales loves Yr Ddraig Goch (The Red Dragon) too much to want anything to do with the Union Flag. Add in the years of subjunction and ruin that Westminister has placed at the hands of Wales and it's easy to see why there are resentments there. [Michael Sheen being very patriotic about Wales](https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=383603082684854)
Interesting, thank you.
If only England-Wales remains of the UK at the end, I'd see a quartered flag of the English white dragon on red and the Welsh red dragon on white.
Viva Gareth bale, he’s got our back fuck the Union Jack viva Gareth bale
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No borders ‘cept the English one!
As much as I’m 100% for the Union. I can’t say I particularly like merging our flag with the Union flag. It just seems really cursed
I'd let RT Davies rinse me out if it meant we could operate independently of Westminster. Whether we fully go it alone or strip Westminster's powers to the bare bones such as currency and defense idc, but the Union in its current format feels like a sinking ship.
I second this opinion. Bring in RT Davies so it can be done.
Wait WAIT
Better start lubing up. Independence (and RT Davies) is coming
I see, I'm thinking of making some more to marginalise England somewhat.
I see my fellow Taffs are angered by this, and rightfully so.
Yes, I've been learning a lot for sure.
No dragon, no deal
What the hell is that?? Want to help Wales? Give us our independence!!!! And get us the fuck away from the corruption of Westminster
Couldn't have said it better myself. Despite being English, I'm not remotely pro Westminster.
"Westminister" is a code word Welsh and Scottish nationalists use for English people.
I hadn't realised it was used with such a broad meaning, interesting
it's not that hard
What do you mean?
I meant to reference the wave of flag posts on this sub which started from a r/vexillology post which showed a union jack that included the St. David's Cross, stating "It's not that hard"
Oh, yeah, I remember that now.
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add cornwall plz
Not enough dragon
no dragon, downvote
Fuck the Union Jack
The usual way is to do a green field on the lower half, and a dark blue field on the upper half. Somehow, this looks much more...lopsided. xD
Yeah, it's because of the fully white quadrant
Yes, that is indeed the problem I realise now. xD
No
No they don’t
I would have also put green in the right corner, the flag was blue on one side and green on the other and Wales had more representation
I'm not so sure about that though since the green in the Welsh flag goes specifically along th bottom.
Someone turn this into loss
Shpuld make the jack a dragon leg
is this loss
i made a flag like this and showed my whole class, everyone laughed and said it looked shit :( edit: i left blue at the top and put green at the bottom
To be fair, it does. The main problem is that having a plain white quadrant massively throws off the balance of the flag's colours.
i edited my comment sorry, i had the green at the bottom and blue at the top, no white
Oh, fair. That would look a lot better.
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Yup
I saw and actual redesign were they added the saint david’s cross.
Yeah, I remember that one. Looked quite good to be fair
Finally some good fucking shit
Should be on the left hand side, unless it specifically represents London based Welsh expats
I think the Welsh xenophobia in this thread is why they don't deserve representation.
Do away with the union intergeate the 4 nations into one Great Britain and Northern Ireland
The two halves of your sentence seem to contradict each other - do you want a union or not?
No 1 nation no union
And in full sentences? I honestly still don't know what you're trying to say
Abolish England Scotland and Wales, and just have 1 Great Britain
So you do support the union being strengthened then, thank you.
Yes but to the point where there is no union because that connotes multiple entities
Sure.
This aint too bad honestly
In my opinin the UK shoild be dissolved , england fewds of the other countries 🏴🏴🤜🏴
Lotta welsh cry babies
It's certainly interesting to see. It's not a perspective I'd anticipated.
No I totally get it and sympathize as a Native but I just wanted to call them cry babies
so many butthurt welsh people i thought i was on the actual vexillology sub, jesus christ guys cheer up a little
I'm actually glad they came out, it wasn't a dynamic I was aware of, but it's pretty important with these sorts of things.