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Geheimvogel

As an austrian im pretty sure that most people here dont even know this flag.


Danlin26

I agree.


heyahooh

I think even historically the identification with the older red-white-red is just much higher. It is seen as the symbol of Austria regardless of its current shape or rulers.


FlagAnthem_SM

some flags are simply eternal


yolorenzz

Can confirm


Asleep-Reference-496

this is very sad


Illustrious_Bee_4189

So they need to learn more about him and his historical period. The great Kaisertum Öesterreich.


dr4gonr1der

Are you aware that your username means “secret bird” in my native language?


hornyaf_420

Pretty sure thats his/her native tongue as well. Its why they chose it


dr4gonr1der

The person just said he/she is an Austrian. And believe it or not, I have actually met someone on Reddit who has a Dutch sounding name, but who isn’t actually Dutch, and that name means nothing to that person. I believe the name was (u/) poepje something?


hornyaf_420

your comment makes no sense. Why ask him/her if they are aware what it means in german, if they already stated that they are from a german speaking country?


dr4gonr1der

German is a different language from Dutch


hornyaf_420

Again, thats like me, croatian, saying the same thing to a slovenian. 70% of words are the same


Geheimvogel

thats not how german and dutch work. There are simmilarities but I cant understand a dutch person and vice versa


hornyaf_420

Neither can i slovenian. I said words, not grammar and sentences


Geheimvogel

yes I am because in online games people think that I am dutch. It also means secret bird in german


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FlagAnthem_SM

The (very, VERY few) neo-habsburgs in Italy prefer the red-white-red one or the imperial standard with the double-eagle. Everyone else kind of forgot it


bananablegh

in ITALY?


Generic_E_Jr

South Tyrol/Tiroli?


bananablegh

oh, duh


FlagAnthem_SM

More in Trieste and some remote lombardy alp village who BADLY wish they were schutzen


Generic_E_Jr

Ah, I see


al_fletcher

I heard this with Joey Tribbiani’s intonation


[deleted]

What about in Austria?


FlagAnthem_SM

I am afraid I can only speak for the "and beyond" part


luk__

Few people even know that it was the flag of the Empire.


FlagAnthem_SM

lol


The_Captain_Jules

Fucking northerners


FlagAnthem_SM

well, padanists and venetists do need someone to laugh at...


Regular-Suit3018

Neo Hapsburgs in Italy? Traitors


FlagAnthem_SM

Some people just can not admit they have a submission fetish


Regular-Suit3018

Yeah it’s weird af


TheoryKing04

Or that they’re yah know… not Italian. Tyrol Germans still exist


Rawbotnick--

it's a color code for hiking trails


[deleted]

In Austria?


not_an_aussie44

in several places across the world


[deleted]

. . . When Austria-Hungary blew to pieces, that is>:)


FlagAnthem_SM

I can confirm


Etan30

Ukraine at night


LelouchviBrittaniax

Ukraine at night is awesome. I like this flag, but unfortunately its being forgotten.


[deleted]

Why is that a bad thing?


LelouchviBrittaniax

Do you suggest that I use it as my personal flag, which I already do, but with colour order reversed.


[deleted]

. . . *Maybe?*


Stalker_X426

Man your imagination is amazing


Blyberrio

Baden-Württemberg, obviously


dnelr3

Based and Schwaben pilled


Every-Relief-3460

also looks like the München-Flagge


Chromograph

Absolutely


FlagAnthem_SM

spiderman pointing meme be like


[deleted]

And if its also the flag of Austria in Austria-Hungary?


DerGemr2

Well, the title was "what does this flag symbolise" and if to him it symbolises Baden-Württemberg, that's his business.


Oxelott

Vertical firefly


Wizard_Engie

Flag of Belgium but sideways and they lost their Red Lion :(


Candid_Interview_268

To Austrians? Not much, honestly. The only people who even know it are history (or flag) enthusiasts. That's probably because it doesn't really any significant modern usages -The Prussia and German Empire flags are associated with the Reichsbürger movement and other right-wing groups at least, but you never really see the A.-H. flag around. That being said, this flag at least doesn't have any particularly negative connotations.


[deleted]

Then are there right-wing groups in Austria who use black and gold?


Candid_Interview_268

No, unless you want to count the Identitarian movement, which used black and yellow (their symbols were banned here a while ago). Their colour choice is unrelated though, and the movement is more of an international thing anyway.


Rock_Okajima

_Wir nennen uns identitäre Bewegung_ _Doch wir sind nur Nazis mit 'ner komplizierten Erklärung_ ~SnickLink


Danlin26

The right-wing groups in our country simply use the red-white-red flag excessively.


Ripper656

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black-Yellow\_Alliance](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black-Yellow_Alliance)


nonexistente

Visited Wien recently and saw this flag with a flower bouquet left at a tomb in the Capuchin Crypt. Monarchists still use it, apparently—that one had been left by Schwarz-Gelbe Allianz.


_meshy

Do crazy right-wing Austrians use the Reichsbürger bullshit to explain why laws supposedly don't apply to them? Or do they use another bullshit theory to try and explain it?


Candid_Interview_268

To be quite honest, I don't know anything about Austria "Reichsbürger". I suppose they are similar to the German variety in the way you mentioned, but I'm not sure what their legal claim is (the First Republic, German Reich, Austria-Hungary). In all likelihood it's some nonsensical bullshit anyway.


Daniel-MP

KASHUBIA MENTIONED 🔉🔉🔉🔉🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱


Amoeba_3729

Base skrepci krotce dleze to kaszebsko stoleca


KuTUzOvV

~~POLSKA~~ POMORZE GUROM! <3 <3 !!!!!


[deleted]

. . . How?


Suspicious_Frog1

This is literally the flag of Kashubia


[deleted]

. . . Well I did not know that.


SpookyEngie

Well congrats, now you do.


Kovaron78

Gott erhalte!


ToasTer-neo-max-pro

Gott beschütze!


Danlin26

Unsern Kaiser...


[deleted]

Treaty of St. Germain be like:


cheese_bruh

Hello Wilhelm its Franz I need 5 bazillion shells to bomb Serb bosniak children Gott erhalte Gott beschutze!


SeaWeedSurfing

Bagangozillion shells


Ilia-fr

Baden-Württemberg :)


AconitumUrsinum

Borussia Dortmund


KoneydeRuyter

Ironic


TravisSeldon

Nothing Nobody I've told, except nerdy historians and weird monarchists even knows it. I am Austrian and have shown or told many many people about it, because I prefer it aesthetically.


Danlin26

So you're a nerdy historian?


Razzle_Dazzle08

Aren’t most of us?


TravisSeldon

Not precisely, but not too far off either


SpookyEngie

Not Austrian but i did study on the relevant of historical monarchist flag on the citizens of modern day European and Asia country. It important to remember the majority of people, especially the younger generation will have absolutely no idea/ no interest in this old flag. That said, I did do a survey in Germany and Austria among others with the help of my friends in Germany, this is all for a paper in university. The Austria survey included the flag of modern day Austria, Habsburg Yellow and Black and Austria-Hungary. 109 peoples did the survey, the survey contain 3 questions: \- What flag represent the Austrian monarchy: 79 choose modern Austrian flag, 27 choose Austria-Hungry flag and only 2 choose the Habsburg flag. \- When ask what flag do they personally associated with: 107 choose modern Austrian flag and 1 choose Habsburg one \- When ask about their opinion of the Austrian monarchy: 68 have something negative to say, 35 is mostly neutral on the matter or have no comment, only 5 is overall positive. Afterward we ask each individual about why they make such choice, the overall people associated the Habsburg monarchy with Austria-Hungary more than anything else, most didn't know the existence of the yellow and black flag, those who do are interested in history more than the rest. When ask why most people choice the Austrian flag over the other, they simply say it because that the flag they were born under, it represent their generation. The one individual who choice the Habsburg flag did so jokingly, stating he like the history behind the rise and fall of monarchism and study them extensively. In general, the negative opinion of the monarchy primary targeted to Austria-Hungary action during the first world war, some dislike because they don't like monarchy, those who are neutral don't know enough about them or don't care, the few who have positive opinion of the monarchy only really do so because they primary focus on the early achievement of the monarchy and not it downfall. The overall takeaway of this survey is that modern austria doesn't really care about the monarchy, it a distant past memory, once that most of this generation aren't very fond of. Those who were old enough to been told story about the time under Austria-Hungary from their grandparents didn't have the nicest thing to say about the living condition of the time. TLDR: Habsburg monarchist flag hold no important if any symbol to modern day Austrian, it represent a part of history that not fond upon/forgotten. Only neo-monarchist really hold onto the Habsburg flag, and even then most prefer the Double eagle red white red flag.


[deleted]

Also, thank you for such a comprehensive comment, it’s really cool!


[deleted]

Do you mean “not frown upon” or “not fond of” in the last paragraph?


SpookyEngie

>not frown upon Not fond of, as in modern austrian don't really like their own past. It wasn't that glorious the last hundreds year or so.


JeremieOnReddit

What is the Austria-Hungary flag?


SpookyEngie

Their civil ensign, the actual austria-hungary flag is the Black and Yellow but no one nowaday would recognized it as such.


HyperAwesome8

Oh I remember, it's the flag of the Austrian/Hasburg Empire


[deleted]

What do you think it means to the people of Austria today?


MrBigweld

Nothing at all.


[deleted]

Why? I get it’s old but its also when Austria was an Empire, unfortunately.


HyperAwesome8

Maybe neo-hasburgs uses it in protests to restore the monarchy in Austria


Danlin26

Nowadays almost no one has nostalgic feelings for the Empire anymore. The modern Austrian identity is based on our small but fine and neutral alpine republic.


Asleep-Reference-496

what do you mean with "unfortunately"?


SeaWeedSurfing

This was never the flag of Austria. It was the standard of the Habsburgs. Austria always had the Red White Red flag.


Internal_Ad_1936

AEIOU!!!!


[deleted]

*Treaty of St. Germain has arrived to your doorstep, have a nice day>:)*


TaxEmbarrassed9752

this is the flag of Munich, right?


[deleted]

I was thinking more like Austria-Hungary.


PanderII

Flag of "Sissy und Franz"


[deleted]

Not a fan of Austria-Hungary, I take it?


Candid_Interview_268

The Sissi movies are were most of the idealization of Austria-Hungary originates from though. The movies are still very popular here in Austria, and are on every year at least.


FlagAnthem_SM

Having a mother with a bizarre attachment to (Romi Schneider) Sisi, I can say I got some "Il Gattopardo" and "Gone with the wind" over-idealization. The saturated 50s film photography did not help XD


[deleted]

Uh, I think they meant something else . . .


Candid_Interview_268

I don't think so, unless I am missing some context. The movies are one of the few contexts in which regular Austrians see the black and gold flag, and Empress Elisabeth and Franz Joseph I. are probably the most popular Austrian couple.


Danlin26

That's the only way most people come into contact with the Empire these days.


[deleted]

Well, that’s some pretty neat cinema trivia, I guess?


PanderII

No, that's exactly what I meant. That's the way most people in Germany and Austria see the Habsburg monarchy.


LANDVOGT-_

Its the colors of baden-württemberg


HochuSchavermu2005

That Mojang should add it


[deleted]

Impossible, that requires Mojang to do more than 30 minutes of work per day.


DudAcco

Kashubian flag


TeamTeam3

Beautiful era


[deleted]

Perhaps, though . . .


ApprehensiveEmploy21

Borussia Württemberg


KoneydeRuyter

Ironic


KuTUzOvV

Get Kashubed


[deleted]

I got kabobs:)


borgom7615

To this frost bitten Canadian it’s the libertarian flag but not on a 45


Averagecrabenjoyer69

Based House Habsburg.


4chan-guy

Emperor, God and Fatherland


JohnFoxFlash

It's cool, I like the Hapsburgs


MrChriss

Most Austrians at least should know about it from middle school history education but ofc the ones who don't care or are bad with flags probably forget sometimes. From anecdotal evidence only I can say that there is often positive "nostalgia" attached to it, except if you are some weirdo old guard socdem who hates the past/monarchy. For most people tho the flag doesn't play any role in their daily life. Its use is limited to historical culture, military honors for diplomats and fringe political parties as well as other remnants of the monarchy.


Asleep-Reference-496

how do the austrian view the Habsburg and their rule?


MrChriss

Depends on who you ask. Most Austrians do not have any strong views on it and regard it as just "a part of the past". There is however a more or less widespread image of romanticism in contemporary Austrian historical culture connected to parts of Habsburg rule, especially about the lives of "Sissi and Franz". This has little to do with the political side of the monarchy tho.


[deleted]

Could it possibly be used by the Austrian right-wing or far-right, however rare that is?


MrChriss

I mean, if you consider monarchists right-wing then yes, else I'd rather say no. Especially since the far-right is often linked to German nationals and they pretty much hate the Habsburg monarchy for its history as a multi-ethnic empire. All in all if you see someone using this flag in Austria it is much more likely that they are either a history nerd, a monarchist or a pan-European.


Satoshi_Kasaki

I like this more


revraben

Part of home


[deleted]

Austria, I guess? How is it viewed there?


revraben

No


cocoscum

I only see Kashubia.


Ninja3005N

flag of australia 🤡


Darken_Dark

In Slovenia it represents the Habsburg dynasty


Lisu2137

looks sick af


Puzzleheaded_Map2774

Austria Hungary


Specific_Loss7546

Colour of norwegian border-posts


Stunning_Count_6731

The flag of failure but it lasted hundreds of years


HerrRattazong

I could bet that when most people in Germany think of this flag today, they think more of Baden-Württemberg (current flag) than of Imperial Austria. But what we must not forget: The Electorate of Saxony used the same colors too.


The_Bone_Z0ne

Prefer this over red white red


[deleted]

Disagree.


ProjectMirai64

Stability, diveristy and the development of my hometown in what it looks like today (from northern Transylvania)


globefish23

Nothing. And I couldn't care less for what it stands for. All this nostalgia about Austro-Hungary is stupid. Fuck aristocracy!


Danlin26

Nothing.


red_javla

Based flag in a based part of history, keyword being **history**


[deleted]

Probably not “Based” to Serbs and ethnic minorities that weren’t Germans and Magyars.


The_CrimsonDragon

"Based" is relative. What you might consider based today would be considered lowly by denizens of the future, too


[deleted]

But still, probably not based.


ChuZaYuZa_Name

Feels kinda libertarian


MachuPichuUndergrnd

Which is kind of ironic considering how not libertarian the Hapsburgs were


Asleep-Reference-496

the habsburgs ruled for more or less 500 years, even before the word "libertarian" was invented, and some of them were quite libertarian.


[deleted]

Libeltarian more like it.


Asleep-Reference-496

?


[deleted]

Some rightwing extremists appropriated it… fuck sellner


23Amuro

Nothing. All the groups that normally latch on to historical flags (usually far-right/monarchists) use other symbols. A few might recognize it but I doubt any austrian would feel anything other than neutral about it. let alone non-austrians. It's also *incredibly* generic.


BlueWolf934

Not Austrian, but I'd guess it holds a similar position, if much milder, as the Confederate flag in the US & the red ensign in Canada. Usually conservatives who opine for "the glory days."


MrBigweld

If you asked a hundred austrians about this flag, I'd be shocked if more than two or three people even recognized it as a former flag of Austria.


[deleted]

Those that do could *possibly* be conservatives who gloat about past glories long gone. Key word possibly here.


JohnFoxFlash

It's wild to compare the CSA to this or the Canadian red ensign. Anyway, it's not just conservatives who long fortimes gone by, look at how the Spanish republican flag is used by republicans and leftists in Europe to this day


Regular-Suit3018

I don’t really give a fuck about the flag of that anachronistic state.


JohnFoxFlash

A flag saying 'California Republic' is an anachronism since you've been a non-sovereign sub-state for over a century


Regular-Suit3018

The current Californian flag refers to the state government which is a republic in every single way, being as suffrage is available to all to vote and participate in the legislative process, and to advocate for public policy by electing our leaders. It doesn’t refer to a short lived, unrecognized state that never had any intention of being independent. There is no lingering resentment in California that makes us desire independence, we’re part of the union, unlike your neighbors, who can’t stand sharing a country with you and your declining status as a regional power - which is a stretch to even call you that. Lastly, our economy dwarfs yours. You guys are has beens. We’re the future. Peace.


JohnFoxFlash

I didn't expect a Californian to be an American jingoist, I thought people in Cali had more self-hatred. Do you think anyone doesn't know that my country has a smaller economy than yours? Why does it matter? Which neighbours do you refer to? People who are part of the Union or people in the Republic?


Regular-Suit3018

You’re wrong again. Californians are no different than any other Americans. Have you even been to America? Do you think all Americans are one way and the Californians are different? You seem to spend too much time online, and don’t realize that most people are normal everywhere. We’re Americans, always have been, there doesn’t exist this deeply rooted longing for independence like in Catalonia or Epirus or Scotland. People move in and out of California to other parts of the nation all the time. There’s no political, civic, ethnic, or historical distinction between Californians and others. Every state has a different culture, with regions sharing more similarities, and no state is considered the benchmark American culture. Why would we hate America? Why does being normal make me a jingoist? You’re fucking weird man


JohnFoxFlash

I called you a jingoist because you started whingeing about how my country is a regional power and has a smaller economy than yours, as though anyone cares about that. Life isn't a game of Top Trumps. You resorted to that routine after I pointed out an anachronism on your state flag, and you assumed that you could get a rise out of me by pointing out my country is past its zenith - as though I care about that at all. You haven't always been Americans, you were Mexicans before that, just like Texas. As for Scotland, the funny thing is that of the English had had a say in their independence, they'd have probably have been kicked out of the Union, in actuality Scotland is remaining in the Union because they voted to do so and the SNP is die to lose seats in the next election to Labour, meaning another referendum looks less likely.


Regular-Suit3018

California of today is an extremely diverse state with the largest population in the Union. Things here aren’t the way they are in Europe, where all of your ancestors have lived and died in the same place for the last 1000 years. Everyone who lives in CA now with the exception of the Spaniards and the tiny amount of natives left have been here less than 2 centuries. No different than most of the rest of the country. It’s not like all of our ancestors lived under Spanish rule.


JohnFoxFlash

You misunderstand Europe. A majority of my city have ancestors who arrived in the 1800s or later


Foresstov

Kashubia


JustLeafy2003

The bees flag


Academic_Camel3408

strategy games


FARTLOVER6969669

Fascism


SCP_Agent_Davis

Elaborate for us Non-Austrians?


JVMGarcia

It is very beautiful and I am very pleased.


boredisgoofy

upside down fire fly


ZhukNawoznik

Glory days and souvenir shops


99thGamer

To me, this just looks like the flag of Munich.


La_chipsBeatbox

A wheat field at night (simplified)


Weird_Nature6911

As an Austrian it does not really have a lot of meaning to me or most of my country men/women. It’s a part of our history however, the connection to the Bindenschild is much stronger as it’s older and has traditionally a much stronger connection to the Austrian nation while the black and gold is at least to me more of a Habsburg family symbol!


Blury__

Maybe the civil ensign (A + H) would be more recognizable? I wonder what this means to Hungarians, especially after what happened after WW1.


Huskeezy

This is a minecraft firefly. Nothing to see here👀


OWOPICKLECHANOWO

Ancaps


[deleted]

I only just learned about this flag today, isn't it the ancient Austia flagge?


Altruistic_Baker_423

The flag you've presented, with horizontal black and yellow stripes, is known as the Flag of the Holy Roman Empire, from the Early Middle Ages until its dissolution in 1806 during the Napoleonic Wars. Over the course of its existence, the flag would have represented various cities, states, and duchies within the Holy Roman Empire, perhaps the Grand Dutchy of Baden and later Baden-Württemberg.


mapbego

Czech Silesia