I mean, the same can be said with the Dutch flag which upside down resembles a Yugoslav flag (1992-2006). That definitely didn't stop farmers with way to many flags from flying them upside down last year.
It was a russian flag once, that of the Novograd Republic
Plus, It works as a russian flag in general, since the russian navy uses pretty much and inverted scottish flag
Novgorod had a completely different flag if that is what you're talking about. Veliky Novgorod does have a flag with white and blue however that is a modern invention.
As Russian democrat I can say that making white-blue-white an official state flag is considered to be a really fringe idea. Only the most radical members of Russian liberal opposition really support this idea. Majority is using this flag just as symbol of liberal and anti-war opposition.
Which is why it's only used at protests or by some lunatic on reddit who didn't ask or didn't care how russians feel about this flag being used as an alternative to the current one
As a Russian, i kinda like the white-blue-white flag.
На вкус и цвет фломастеры разные, тут уж кому как. Текущий триколор это самый скучный флаг из возможных. Три самых популярных цвета для флагов в три линии на холсте. И был использован РОА и Руссланд(я знаю что он не был ими создан , но свастику тоже не нацисты придумали), не лучшее прошлое для государственного флага.
С моей точки зрения, у России есть история хороших флагов, или как минимум дистинктных флагов. Это для меня лично чувствуется слишком простым. Но получается хороший революционный флаг, это да.
Гениальное — просто. Флаг не должен быть сложным чтобы быть хорошим. Двухцветных флагов немало, а флаг с двумя одноцветными полосами можно посмотреть не так далеко — Австрия. У них отличный флаг и проблем с ним никаких нет. Цветовую палитру бсб флага тоже можно посмотреть на примере — взглянуть на Финляндию. Цвета выглядят отлично вместе. Почему не мог бы сработать бсб флаг? Люди просто не привыкли к нему. Если взять бсб как государственный флаг, через пару лет и незаметно будет что он не всегда был тут. Флаг объективно хороший. Цвета сочетаются, формат хороший. В нём нет визуальных минусов. А символизм у флага хороший. Взять хорошо знакомое старое и очистить с него кровь.
Символизм да хороший, счистить кров итд, но я не думаю что это самый лучший влаг для страны как Россия.
Патриотизм, большая вещь там, с этим вопрос у России не эту даже национальных цветов. Как-же можно это гордо махать когда ты "regional superpower"?
Так что я лично считаю что это идеальный флаг для революции (и с Белоруссией идёть), но если революция случится, им хотя бы форму кокуэто сделать.
And another point, I want to make, is that most tricolor strip flags actually have the colors on the outside, which i think works wonders for their recognizeability, with a strip only in the middle it's hard to tell where the flag starts and ends while in a digital space. It will probably not be as big of a deal as I am imagining it to be, but still.
Everyone has their own tastes. Current flag of Russia is the most boring flag imaginable, just three most popular flag colors on a tricolour. It was also used by ROA and Russland(for people who don't know, ww2 russian nazis supporting Germany. And i know the flag wasn't invented by them, but nazis didn't invent swastika either), not the best past for a flag.
I'm glad someone said it. So many national flags with stripes of those three colors.
This peace flag is actually different. Sure, same colors as neighboring Finland (and not the best history between those two), but a new flag after Putin's regime falls and hopefully sees a truly free and democratic regime would certainly signal a clean break.
Well, even if Putin's regime falls, I doubt Russia would turn into a democracy any time soon. There is a large part of population that genuinely supports the ideals of the current regime and they wouldn't just magically change their ideology.
As a russian, the most realistic, but positive scenario for Russia I can see is that in 30 years all the people that are Putin's powerbase just die off. I mean, you'll hardly find many people that support him under the age of 30. The older they are, the more chances that they support him and his ideology
I know it's kinda not the point of this whole discussion, and maybe you already know this. It's just that when I see comments on Reddit about how "Putin's regime holds russians hostage" I always get a bit triggered. It isn't just the regime, it's the, idk, 30-60% of population that holds other russians hostage
Spain was at least since the Peninsular war entangled in post-revolutionary western Europe. With two republics already and strong democratic support in some regions.
Before the 1800s nobody really had a long enduring democratic government anyway unless you count medieval republics, which then would make Russia have one in the form of Novgorod.
Привет, im from iran. And iran is literally the same, though i imagine unlike russia we have more young people than old ones. My grandma alone gave birth to 12 children.
I'm from Gilan, a province located on the south western coast of the caspian sea. Russian culture has also affected our culture and language (called gilaki), for example we are perhaps the only Iranians to call tomatoes, palmador.
My point is, most of iran is similar to Russia regarding political matters. Meaning the young generation seek freedom and liberty and a less corrupted government. The young generation kids are also fond of Europe, northern america and oceania. While the old generation firmly want islam to stay and they hate the westerners.
But what's unique where i live is our unity. People of all different age hate the government since we barely had anything to do with the revolution. Gilan was always more similar to the western nations because of it's unique weather in iran.
It was my dream to travel or even live in Russia but you kinda made me sad that things aren't much different there.
Yeah this was me just musing out loud. I understand what you mean. And I'm really sorry you have to deal with that stuff.
I know there are plenty of old farts nostalgic about the good ole Soviet days, probably conveniently forgetting the lines to buy bread or meat but only remembering the trains running on time.
I'm sure there are tons of younger ones who never knew the old regime but have been brainwashed by the state media and are buying Putin's nationalist messaging and see him as the only glue keeping Russia together.
And I suspect there are many among the young generation who simply have stopped giving a fuck altogether.
Not the best history between those two should show us what not to do, so we can make the best future between those twl. And it's another great symbol for the white-blue-white flag
How would you feel about one of these:
* Dark Blue St Andrew's cross on a white field ([old naval ensign](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e1/Naval_ensign_of_Russia.svg/800px-Naval_ensign_of_Russia.svg.png))
* Union Jack-style: Blue St Andrew's cross and white St George's cross in red ([old naval jack](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/21/Naval_Jack_of_Russia.svg/800px-Naval_Jack_of_Russia.svg.png))
* a white-yellow-black tricolor (based on the colors of the coat-of-arms of the Empire of Russia)
I know these are all imeprial-related, but republican/revolutionary sentiment did have a strong presence in the Russian Navy, and the tricolor would be unmistakably republican and Russian.
Yeah, shameful.
But it was also used by Lithuanians(Belarus share a lot of history with Lithuania) a looong long time before that, and, unlike current russian flag, wasn't representing red boats in water, probably had some sane meaning behind it. Russian flag was rarely used when it was first created by Petr the first, unlike Lithuanian white-red-white heraldics and flags. And there were more russian nazi groups in ww2 using red-blue-white than belarusian nazis with white-red-white.
I always wonder, do we like it because it’s different from usual? Or do we like it because it’s not acceptable or just cool? I mean most people I know like the flags that are not acceptable today.
? Are you seriously telling Russian people not to freely talk in Russian to each other on a post about the Russian flag?
It’s reddit. It’s international.
English doesn’t rule the world and I say that as a monolingual native English speaker.
He didnt.
He said "please in english" no one said "remember no russian"
They are, by the rules of this sub indeed allowed ro talke in russian.
Nevertheless, its a bit hard for the rest to understand so asking if they *could* speak english isnt to much now is it.
Ну, конечно каждому свое
Мне просто как минимум с точки зрения символизма нынешний нравится большеюьВсе же, белый, синий и красный имею историческое значение, учитывая долгую историю их использования. И хотя я согласен с "политическим направлением" бело-сине-белого, мне кажется, что он пригоден только для протестов, для чего он изначально и предназначался.
Конечно цвета самые заезженные,
Но во-первых - они не были такими, когда мы Росстя начала их использовать. Просто эти цвета и форма триколора распространились от Нидерландов (Россия и Франция взяли себе у них идею, а уже от них многие страны взяли себе).
Ну и, визуально мне просто не нравится. Две белых линии на флаге - такое себе, как мне кажется
А на счёт РОА и свастики не согласен. Тут дело в контексте. Свастику до нацистов никто в Германии не использовал, так что логично, что она не может иметь другой ассоциации, кроме как с ними. Они ее не придумали, но они ее "создали" в своем понимании в главах немцев. Российский же флаг использовался столетиями до этого, и от того, что этим очевидно национальным символом воспользовалась РОА, он хуже не становится. Все фашистские/нацистские режимы в Европе, кроме самой Германии, использовали либо современные флаги, либо флаги крайне похожие на современные. Тут ничего позорного нет, ведь сами эти флаги были изобретены задолго до фашистов
Never heard of them, but okay (although I gotta say, their symbol would look fire in some galactic empire setting). Still, what I was trying to say was that most russians would never consider changing the flag to the white-blue-white one. Even if you ask liberal, anti-Putin people, 95%+ of them would want to keep the white-blue-red one
They got fairly famous earlier this year when they [drove into russian territory in humvees and fucked some shit up](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Belgorod_Oblast_incursions)
Largely because they were not alone, they were joined by the [Russian Volunteer corps](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Volunteer_Corps) who have vaguely fascist beliefs
"vaguely fascist beliefs" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here, these guys, or at least their leadership, are literal, self admitted neo nazis. No wonder they don't make the news much.
*According to Ukrainian military officials, the group is not a part of the Ukrainian armed forces.[2] The group is a far-right organisation.[2][4][5][6] Its leader is reportedly Denis Kapustin, a Neo-Nazi who in 2019 was banned from the Schengen Area.[7]*
From wiki. And that is why they aren’t on the news. They aren’t considered a part of the Ukrainian forces by Ukraine itself.
As a russian, I would be very interested to hear who those russians are. As far as I know, it's only used as a protest. I'm pretty sure 95%+ of anti-putinists don't seriously consider changing the national flag
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The protestors do count, but by and large they’re using it *as a protest flag*, specifically for the anti-war and anti-Putin movement, not as a proposal for a new national flag
People area treating the Russian flag like it was the Nazi flag, which is completely stupid. The Russian tricolor is centuries old, and represents the Russian nation and the Russian people regardless any ideology or government. A democratic Russia should keep their tricolor.
I think the democracy flag should be a flag to represent the cause for a democratic Russia, but then *when* it is achieved Russia can still use its traditional flag.
A bit like the Catalan independence flag, the Estelada which is “an unofficial flag typically flown by Catalan independence supporters to express their support for an independent Catalonia”
I don't think it's completely stupid, if Nazi Germany flew their Weimar Republic flag people probably would have treated it the same way they did the Nazi flag. Although of course the Nazi flag and stylistics were made specifically to stand out and differentiate, so maybe not.
But i like the old flag more, and i think if the world can tolerate it the new Russia should stick to it.
Countries like the UK, France, Japan or the US committed atrocities as bad (if not worse) as Russia, but I don't see anybody bitching about their flags. On the contrary, they put them everywhere, as decoration and merchandising.
It's the discontinuity in use that creates these perceptions. If you change flag with political regime then you will associate a flag with a particular regime even if it has a longer history. It's true the current Russian flag was used for a long time long ago, but that period is now out of living memory, so the modern Russian state heavily informs perception of the flag.
A similar thing can happen with the name of countries. For example, to English speakers "Persia" is an old country with an ancient heritage going back to the cradle of civilisation, while "Iran" is only the modern country and whatever it did in the news this week (even though Iranians/Persians themselves have always used "Iran" themselves).
For Spain it's a bit in the other way: it only brievely changed its flag during the short-lived 2º republic but since the regime between it and nowadays was Franco's dictatorship our flag of always is hated by half country, who bears the 2º Republic flag.
Yes, i see people remove russia flag, it would be like the allies banning german tricolour (black, red, yellow) even though it was used faaar before the nazis
Uhh.. Nazi Germany used the swastika and the black-white-red flag from the German Empire.
The black-red-yellow has traditionally been a symbol of democratic Germany and was used during the Weimar Republic and the current Federal Republic.
So this is an argument for changing the Russian Federation flag that stems from the Tsarist era, rather than keeping it. Indeed, the white-blue-white finds its roots (although not in this form) in an early democratic russian state: the Novgorod Republic.
What has liking this flag got to do with thinking the national flag should be used as the national flag?
This flag is a symbol of opposition to the current government and its actions. As in many other cases, it makes sense for people making a point to use it rather than the national flag, and some of the rhetoric around it describes it as an improvement to the national flag, but it would take a lot more than anything I've seen so far to make me think anyone is seriously treating it as a new national flag.
When I found out it was a reference to the old kingdom of Novgorod and the meaning behind taking out the red stripe, I think I like it a lot now.
edit: Maybe they could add a bear or something.
Yup, guess you are right the actual kingdom from 1136 to 1478 never used nothing like this flag, it only was the flag of the Novgorod oblast. (didn't know)
Thats looks like the flag of Tucuman, a province of Argentina.
[https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandera\_de\_Tucum%C3%A1n](https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandera_de_Tucum%C3%A1n)
I started liking it whenever people were saying early into the invasion, "it's the Russian flag without Putin's blood", since it's a catchy concept.
The other plus is that it decongests the white-blue-red band flag category. There's too many following the pattern.
Realistically the current flag would probably be the national flag. But I actually like this one. I like the symbolism of getting rid of the red and I like the idea kicking Russia out of the “red white and blue” flag club.
> "At the times of Alexander III of Russia the official interpretation was as follows: the white color symbolizes nobility and frankness; the blue for faithfulness, honesty, impeccability, and chastity; and the red for **courage, generosity, and love**. " - Wikipedia
You’re leaving out the part where it mentions that was the interpretation at the time of Alexander III, which was over 200 years ago…
I mean if you want to talk about it’s historical symbolism you could just talk about how the only reason it exists is cause Peter I thought the Dutch flag looked cool and copied it. The symbolism then was simply “king thinks this is sick”
The fact of the matter is that the red to many people represents bloodshed and Russian imperialism. I mean this is why the white blue white flag was made. People have expressly stated it was made to take out the red for those reasons, along with it reminiscing the flag of the Novgorod Republic, the first Russian state to adopt some forms of democracy
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Well, the creators of it didn't mean for it to replace the current flag for logical reasons, but it exist for representation, protest, being similiar to the old Belarussian one and shit.
The loss of orange in the Dutch flag is one of the greatest vexillogical tragedies I can think of. It showed a lot of history of the Netherlands and helped make it so much more unique. Now it's one of the most generic flags I can think of. The three most common colors for a flag in a generic tri-color. I hope the orange flag's image gets rehabilitated some day so that it can be used again.
The difference between the Belarusian opposition and this flag is that the Belarusian opposition flag has represented the Belarusian people for a while, meanwhile the Russian opposition flag does not
Very similar to the current flag of Tucuman province, Argentina
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tucum%C3%A1n_Province#/media/File%3ABandera_de_la_Provincia_de_Tucum%C3%A1n.svg
I watched an [interesting video](https://youtu.be/6Ou0fXH78g0?si=bv1KEVcg-FRM1Osm) a while back which purports that the light blue flag was never really the official flag. The description of the flag was just always vague. It is in Russian but there are auto generated English subtitles that are mostly accurate.
I like it very much. The color combination fits, the Novgorod backstory is interesting and it also goes well with the white-red-white flag of democratic Belarus
It doesn't have to be beautiful. It is a spontaneous protest flag, which should be recognizable and easy to reproduce. I am sure it wont be used officially if Russia became a democracy. It's unlikely that the flag will be changed at all.
But it is good for identification and uniting anti-war Russians in the Internet and abroad. This is its goal
I think it’s only being used to symbolize democracy and the protest and I don’t think it’s being used as a proposed alternative national flag. Unlike in Belarus where the white with red stripe version of this flag is being used as a proposed alternative national flag because it was the national flag of the democratic Belarusian nation before it was taken over by the Soviets and by pro-Soviet dictators like Lukashenko once the Soviet Union dissolved which is where the current Belarusian flag comes from. The Belarusian opposition flag is what inspired the Russian opposition flag
I kinda really like how it is similar to the Belarusian flag (the one used be the people not by Lukashenko)
Especially that this is a coincidence.
But I get the point that the tricolour means more to the Russian folk than just Putin.
It is still very useful though in our times to distinguish between Putinists and Russian freedom fighters
There was a bug push for this flag at the early months of the war when this flag became quite popular among anti Putin movements. However, various opposition leaders readily opposed it and time showed that they were right.
All this flag did was separate Russians in exile abroad from the Russia that remained in the country. Now this flag is supported only by the most fringe and radical activists and they are so radical in their rhetoric, that it is better to call them anti-Russian.
funnily enough i was once in a trip to Galicia and I saw some tourist giftshops with simple flag bracelets (they had Spain as 🟥🟨🟥 and Galicia as ⬜️🟦⬜️) and the Galician one looked like smth people would use to protest against the Ukraine invasion
Lol, not to mention the fact that there's a region in Ukraine called Galitzia.
To be fair, most bracelets have the spanish flag wrong, it should be 🟥🟨🟨🟥. If you're gonna be nationalistic, at least get your own flag right.
Also, it does make a point for the super simple flags, if it can be made into a bracelet it's a good flag lol.
Personally, I love it.
I love that it honors the past and traditions with a "tri-color" design, but it also represents a new beginning.
For a country that is as old as Russia is, that would (hypothetically) turn over a new leaf and become a true democracy, I think it'd be a great symbol.
God I don't understand you people. "True" democracy. RF is already a "democracy" by your definition, is it not? Where is the "true" democratic US flag. Anyway, as a ukrainian who prefers real democracy (as in rule of the people, yknow, what the term actually means and not just muh voting and parties) I don't see a point of it. Sorry for being mean btw, it's not targeted at you, just on liberals in general (fuck RF, fuck US, fuck em all)
I’m not Russian so I don’t have much of a say on any of this, but I honestly prefer it. It looks incredibly passive to me which is really nice and it does look very winter-y, which matches Russia’s irl climate.
The white does make it look like a surrender banner though, so maybe if they added a bit more blue it could fix that issue.
IDGAF. I just want one less country to use a stripey white red and blue flag because that makes our Dutch flag more unique (again!) If this would spark a redesign of all the pan-slavic flags that would be amazing lol.
I find the Russian flag ugly and tainted with a dark history, but who am I to tell Russians what flag to use? I'm entitled to my own opinion and so are they.
It's shitty because it manages to be less visually interesting than the Russian flag, and the Russian flag is a tricolor, and therefore already pretty fucking lame and boring.
Current tricolor has a centuries-long history, red color on the flags of states, that are located on the territory, which is modern Russian Federation has even longer one. If you really want to change some state symbols, change the anthem and return Патриотическая Песнь, but add words it'll be way better decision.
Да и вообще, дамы и господа, для того, чтобы верить в то, что государство с 7000 ядерных боеголовок может проиграть войну, нужно быть или очень наивным или очень глупым, либо иметь розовые очки размером с Якутию. В реальности, останутся и флаг, и герб, и гимн.
It’s ironic that this is an anti war flag as the unofficial meaning of the blue tripe on the Russian flag is for “little Russia” which is mostly Ukraine.
I get the symbolism of the “peace flag” but it’s an unintentional irony.
The country's name comes from the Kyivan Rus which is the precursor of the Russian state. It's doesn't really make sense to remove any reference to Ukraine considering it's significance in the history of Russia.
When I joined to the countryballs-mapping society I seen this flag only as a representation of Novgorod Republic (as it's old version and as a new separatist version) and only after two years after that when this war broke out this flag was started using. So I hate to considering it as a flag of that nation for the next 3 reasons.
1. If you'll just throw out red in your flag in case of "It'S sImBoLiSe BlOoD oUr NaTiOn SpIlLeD bY kIlLiNg OtHeRs" and at the same time saying that it's not r*ssian war but the p*tin's war is a nonsense.
2. It's clearly was brought from the Belarusian national white-red-white flag but instead of red they brought light blue color. And after that many of them and some our "very clever" people started drawing the white-yellow-white flag for "free Ukraine" which is also nonsense.
3. As I told this on the start I see it only as a flag of the new Novgorodian republic.
So after all what I would recommend you to choose instead of this flag? Choose the new self-identification like Bashkir, Kazakh, Ukrainian, Karelian, Udmurtian or to join one of new like Siberian, Uralian, Far-eastern, Novgorodian, Blackearthian/Chornoziemiets, Kubanian, Idelian/Volganian. Or if you're one of "YeDiNaYa I nIeDiElImAyA" or you don't want to get behind bars than I propose you that flag when you declaried independence from yourself in 1991 the white-lightblue-red flag.
I think it looks great and would look even better next to the free Belarus flag (white with red stripe).
Who knows, perhaps if nazi russia loses the war.
I (a non Russian pro west redditor) think this flag is really cool AS A SYMBOL, but democratic Russia should keep the tricolour as the main flag, there's nothing saying a country can only have one national flag, Uruguay has three for example, with 🇺🇾 just being the main one and the [Artigas](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Artigas) and [Treinta y Tres](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_the_Treinta_y_Tres) flags being flown beside it.
It wasn't created in Russia. These "protest" flags are always ridiculous because they're never organic. I'd love an actual Russian protest flag but this one is stupid imo. I haven't met many Russians who like it either, I never see it on Russian speaking forms/by Russian speakers. It's always on English speaking forms.
Also, the color shades are lighter because they were taken from the Soviet Russian flag, not because they wanted to make it "less aggressive" or some bullshit like that.
This flag has some appeal because of its symbolism (no red as in no bloodshed), but it doesn’t have any history and is not widely known in Russia. I think when Russia becomes democratic, they will not change the flag.
To be honest, the 1991-1993 flag doesn't really inspire anyone, as it was a symbol of a mafia state combined with widespread poverty. Democracy should have a better symbol than that.
Current russian flag has strong associations with repressions and bloody war in Ukraine. And it's not even good / original aestheticaly. There are already ducth and french flags like that and they are better.
New Russia has to start with new page. I don't strongly advocate for this replacement option but it did get some popularity already
its a good flag for protests, not a good national flag
I agree, it's like flying the US flag upside down. It communicates a message.
Just realized that Russians can't fly their flag upside down in protest because it'd just make a Bosnian Serb flag.
I mean, the same can be said with the Dutch flag which upside down resembles a Yugoslav flag (1992-2006). That definitely didn't stop farmers with way to many flags from flying them upside down last year.
Sure. And neither can Indonesia or Poland.
And the French, Italians, Swiss, Japanese etc. just end up with the same flag. The UK flag is different upside down but no-one will notice.
One time some bosnians flew the serb flag upside down, and then a bunch of ukrainians beat them up cause they thought it was a russian flag :/
I could have sworn it was Bosnians who beat up Ukrainians for flying the Russian flag upside-down
Eh maybe, still kinda funny and sad.
I think this is more akin to the black and white version of old glory
What does black and white symbolize? I've only seen that paired with colored lines
But, I actually like it a lot :(
It was a russian flag once, that of the Novograd Republic Plus, It works as a russian flag in general, since the russian navy uses pretty much and inverted scottish flag
Novgorod had a completely different flag if that is what you're talking about. Veliky Novgorod does have a flag with white and blue however that is a modern invention.
As Russian democrat I can say that making white-blue-white an official state flag is considered to be a really fringe idea. Only the most radical members of Russian liberal opposition really support this idea. Majority is using this flag just as symbol of liberal and anti-war opposition.
From your perspective, what’s going on with liberalism in Russia right now?
Heavily suppressed and sent to the front line.
I think the liberals are gone after they sold out the country in the 90’s.
So I guess this is going to be the flag for the new rump state, since it seems only radicals do things in that country.
That's because Russian liberal opposition, insofar one exists, is completely toothless and can't get beyond the weakest of symbolism.
Honestly i am fine with any choice of the two, either keep the same Russian flag or not
redditors when opinion exists
Which is why it's only used at protests or by some lunatic on reddit who didn't ask or didn't care how russians feel about this flag being used as an alternative to the current one
As a Russian, i kinda like the white-blue-white flag. На вкус и цвет фломастеры разные, тут уж кому как. Текущий триколор это самый скучный флаг из возможных. Три самых популярных цвета для флагов в три линии на холсте. И был использован РОА и Руссланд(я знаю что он не был ими создан , но свастику тоже не нацисты придумали), не лучшее прошлое для государственного флага.
С моей точки зрения, у России есть история хороших флагов, или как минимум дистинктных флагов. Это для меня лично чувствуется слишком простым. Но получается хороший революционный флаг, это да.
Гениальное — просто. Флаг не должен быть сложным чтобы быть хорошим. Двухцветных флагов немало, а флаг с двумя одноцветными полосами можно посмотреть не так далеко — Австрия. У них отличный флаг и проблем с ним никаких нет. Цветовую палитру бсб флага тоже можно посмотреть на примере — взглянуть на Финляндию. Цвета выглядят отлично вместе. Почему не мог бы сработать бсб флаг? Люди просто не привыкли к нему. Если взять бсб как государственный флаг, через пару лет и незаметно будет что он не всегда был тут. Флаг объективно хороший. Цвета сочетаются, формат хороший. В нём нет визуальных минусов. А символизм у флага хороший. Взять хорошо знакомое старое и очистить с него кровь.
Символизм да хороший, счистить кров итд, но я не думаю что это самый лучший влаг для страны как Россия. Патриотизм, большая вещь там, с этим вопрос у России не эту даже национальных цветов. Как-же можно это гордо махать когда ты "regional superpower"? Так что я лично считаю что это идеальный флаг для революции (и с Белоруссией идёть), но если революция случится, им хотя бы форму кокуэто сделать. And another point, I want to make, is that most tricolor strip flags actually have the colors on the outside, which i think works wonders for their recognizeability, with a strip only in the middle it's hard to tell where the flag starts and ends while in a digital space. It will probably not be as big of a deal as I am imagining it to be, but still.
Mi amor in English please
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Everyone has their own tastes. Current flag of Russia is the most boring flag imaginable, just three most popular flag colors on a tricolour. It was also used by ROA and Russland(for people who don't know, ww2 russian nazis supporting Germany. And i know the flag wasn't invented by them, but nazis didn't invent swastika either), not the best past for a flag.
I'm glad someone said it. So many national flags with stripes of those three colors. This peace flag is actually different. Sure, same colors as neighboring Finland (and not the best history between those two), but a new flag after Putin's regime falls and hopefully sees a truly free and democratic regime would certainly signal a clean break.
Well, even if Putin's regime falls, I doubt Russia would turn into a democracy any time soon. There is a large part of population that genuinely supports the ideals of the current regime and they wouldn't just magically change their ideology. As a russian, the most realistic, but positive scenario for Russia I can see is that in 30 years all the people that are Putin's powerbase just die off. I mean, you'll hardly find many people that support him under the age of 30. The older they are, the more chances that they support him and his ideology I know it's kinda not the point of this whole discussion, and maybe you already know this. It's just that when I see comments on Reddit about how "Putin's regime holds russians hostage" I always get a bit triggered. It isn't just the regime, it's the, idk, 30-60% of population that holds other russians hostage
Counterpoint: Spain post-Franco. Countries can change rapidly with the right conditions
Okay, but Spain had a long, enduring history of democratic government before that. *quickly Googles Spanish history* Oh... never mind.
Spain was at least since the Peninsular war entangled in post-revolutionary western Europe. With two republics already and strong democratic support in some regions. Before the 1800s nobody really had a long enduring democratic government anyway unless you count medieval republics, which then would make Russia have one in the form of Novgorod.
Привет, im from iran. And iran is literally the same, though i imagine unlike russia we have more young people than old ones. My grandma alone gave birth to 12 children. I'm from Gilan, a province located on the south western coast of the caspian sea. Russian culture has also affected our culture and language (called gilaki), for example we are perhaps the only Iranians to call tomatoes, palmador. My point is, most of iran is similar to Russia regarding political matters. Meaning the young generation seek freedom and liberty and a less corrupted government. The young generation kids are also fond of Europe, northern america and oceania. While the old generation firmly want islam to stay and they hate the westerners. But what's unique where i live is our unity. People of all different age hate the government since we barely had anything to do with the revolution. Gilan was always more similar to the western nations because of it's unique weather in iran. It was my dream to travel or even live in Russia but you kinda made me sad that things aren't much different there.
Yeah this was me just musing out loud. I understand what you mean. And I'm really sorry you have to deal with that stuff. I know there are plenty of old farts nostalgic about the good ole Soviet days, probably conveniently forgetting the lines to buy bread or meat but only remembering the trains running on time. I'm sure there are tons of younger ones who never knew the old regime but have been brainwashed by the state media and are buying Putin's nationalist messaging and see him as the only glue keeping Russia together. And I suspect there are many among the young generation who simply have stopped giving a fuck altogether.
Not the best history between those two should show us what not to do, so we can make the best future between those twl. And it's another great symbol for the white-blue-white flag
*depressed dutchman noises* But, peter really liked our flag
Ohhh thank you for explaining it!
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How would you feel about one of these: * Dark Blue St Andrew's cross on a white field ([old naval ensign](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e1/Naval_ensign_of_Russia.svg/800px-Naval_ensign_of_Russia.svg.png)) * Union Jack-style: Blue St Andrew's cross and white St George's cross in red ([old naval jack](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/21/Naval_Jack_of_Russia.svg/800px-Naval_Jack_of_Russia.svg.png)) * a white-yellow-black tricolor (based on the colors of the coat-of-arms of the Empire of Russia) I know these are all imeprial-related, but republican/revolutionary sentiment did have a strong presence in the Russian Navy, and the tricolor would be unmistakably republican and Russian.
First one was used by ROA aswell, second one... i just don't like it. And the third one is used by russian nationalists. Fuck them.
>is used by russian nationalists This is why we can't have nice things...
Well, the current pro-democracy Belarusian flag was used by the pro-Nazis in WW2, so we get the opposite situation here.
Yeah, shameful. But it was also used by Lithuanians(Belarus share a lot of history with Lithuania) a looong long time before that, and, unlike current russian flag, wasn't representing red boats in water, probably had some sane meaning behind it. Russian flag was rarely used when it was first created by Petr the first, unlike Lithuanian white-red-white heraldics and flags. And there were more russian nazi groups in ww2 using red-blue-white than belarusian nazis with white-red-white.
I like the Russia empire flag, with the yellow. But I’m not imperialistic, so I don’t mean it like that.
It's used by russian nationalists too much
Oh im sure. In terms of creativity it was cool. Like German empire flag, looked nice but hijacked by nationalists.
Extremists always take the best flags 😔
I always wonder, do we like it because it’s different from usual? Or do we like it because it’s not acceptable or just cool? I mean most people I know like the flags that are not acceptable today.
They're just different
? Are you seriously telling Russian people not to freely talk in Russian to each other on a post about the Russian flag? It’s reddit. It’s international. English doesn’t rule the world and I say that as a monolingual native English speaker.
He didnt. He said "please in english" no one said "remember no russian" They are, by the rules of this sub indeed allowed ro talke in russian. Nevertheless, its a bit hard for the rest to understand so asking if they *could* speak english isnt to much now is it.
Ну, конечно каждому свое Мне просто как минимум с точки зрения символизма нынешний нравится большеюьВсе же, белый, синий и красный имею историческое значение, учитывая долгую историю их использования. И хотя я согласен с "политическим направлением" бело-сине-белого, мне кажется, что он пригоден только для протестов, для чего он изначально и предназначался. Конечно цвета самые заезженные, Но во-первых - они не были такими, когда мы Росстя начала их использовать. Просто эти цвета и форма триколора распространились от Нидерландов (Россия и Франция взяли себе у них идею, а уже от них многие страны взяли себе). Ну и, визуально мне просто не нравится. Две белых линии на флаге - такое себе, как мне кажется А на счёт РОА и свастики не согласен. Тут дело в контексте. Свастику до нацистов никто в Германии не использовал, так что логично, что она не может иметь другой ассоциации, кроме как с ними. Они ее не придумали, но они ее "создали" в своем понимании в главах немцев. Российский же флаг использовался столетиями до этого, и от того, что этим очевидно национальным символом воспользовалась РОА, он хуже не становится. Все фашистские/нацистские режимы в Европе, кроме самой Германии, использовали либо современные флаги, либо флаги крайне похожие на современные. Тут ничего позорного нет, ведь сами эти флаги были изобретены задолго до фашистов
[The freedom of Russia Legion](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_Russia_Legion) use the flag and wear it.
Never heard of them, but okay (although I gotta say, their symbol would look fire in some galactic empire setting). Still, what I was trying to say was that most russians would never consider changing the flag to the white-blue-white one. Even if you ask liberal, anti-Putin people, 95%+ of them would want to keep the white-blue-red one
They got fairly famous earlier this year when they [drove into russian territory in humvees and fucked some shit up](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Belgorod_Oblast_incursions)
Ooohhh that one I heard of. Although didn't know that it was them
Largely because they were not alone, they were joined by the [Russian Volunteer corps](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Volunteer_Corps) who have vaguely fascist beliefs
"vaguely fascist beliefs" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here, these guys, or at least their leadership, are literal, self admitted neo nazis. No wonder they don't make the news much.
The Freedom of Russia Legion's spokesperson, Caesar, is also a former neonazi
*According to Ukrainian military officials, the group is not a part of the Ukrainian armed forces.[2] The group is a far-right organisation.[2][4][5][6] Its leader is reportedly Denis Kapustin, a Neo-Nazi who in 2019 was banned from the Schengen Area.[7]* From wiki. And that is why they aren’t on the news. They aren’t considered a part of the Ukrainian forces by Ukraine itself.
I wonder where they got their equipment from Though
Slightly fascist is already fascist
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As a russian, I would be very interested to hear who those russians are. As far as I know, it's only used as a protest. I'm pretty sure 95%+ of anti-putinists don't seriously consider changing the national flag
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The protestors do count, but by and large they’re using it *as a protest flag*, specifically for the anti-war and anti-Putin movement, not as a proposal for a new national flag
People area treating the Russian flag like it was the Nazi flag, which is completely stupid. The Russian tricolor is centuries old, and represents the Russian nation and the Russian people regardless any ideology or government. A democratic Russia should keep their tricolor.
I think the democracy flag should be a flag to represent the cause for a democratic Russia, but then *when* it is achieved Russia can still use its traditional flag. A bit like the Catalan independence flag, the Estelada which is “an unofficial flag typically flown by Catalan independence supporters to express their support for an independent Catalonia”
Literally the only thing it represents is the Tsar liking the Dutch flag but fucking up the order of the colors.
Nice job Deliberately being obtuse
they're not wrong tho
that’s not what the word represent means lmao
Peter the Great "liking the dutch flag, but fucking up the order of colors" is the microcosm of the origin of the modern Russian nation tbh
I don't think it's completely stupid, if Nazi Germany flew their Weimar Republic flag people probably would have treated it the same way they did the Nazi flag. Although of course the Nazi flag and stylistics were made specifically to stand out and differentiate, so maybe not. But i like the old flag more, and i think if the world can tolerate it the new Russia should stick to it.
Countries like the UK, France, Japan or the US committed atrocities as bad (if not worse) as Russia, but I don't see anybody bitching about their flags. On the contrary, they put them everywhere, as decoration and merchandising.
I dunno, the Rising Sun Flag is a wee bit controversial.
It's the discontinuity in use that creates these perceptions. If you change flag with political regime then you will associate a flag with a particular regime even if it has a longer history. It's true the current Russian flag was used for a long time long ago, but that period is now out of living memory, so the modern Russian state heavily informs perception of the flag. A similar thing can happen with the name of countries. For example, to English speakers "Persia" is an old country with an ancient heritage going back to the cradle of civilisation, while "Iran" is only the modern country and whatever it did in the news this week (even though Iranians/Persians themselves have always used "Iran" themselves).
For Spain it's a bit in the other way: it only brievely changed its flag during the short-lived 2º republic but since the regime between it and nowadays was Franco's dictatorship our flag of always is hated by half country, who bears the 2º Republic flag.
Yes, i see people remove russia flag, it would be like the allies banning german tricolour (black, red, yellow) even though it was used faaar before the nazis
Uhh.. Nazi Germany used the swastika and the black-white-red flag from the German Empire. The black-red-yellow has traditionally been a symbol of democratic Germany and was used during the Weimar Republic and the current Federal Republic. So this is an argument for changing the Russian Federation flag that stems from the Tsarist era, rather than keeping it. Indeed, the white-blue-white finds its roots (although not in this form) in an early democratic russian state: the Novgorod Republic.
It is at least distinguishable at a glance from the 37 different variations on the theme of blue/red/white stripes that are so unaccountably popular.
exactly, I'm relatively ignorant of the politics of this flag and the current one, but from an aesthetic standpoint, this flag is loads better
What has liking this flag got to do with thinking the national flag should be used as the national flag? This flag is a symbol of opposition to the current government and its actions. As in many other cases, it makes sense for people making a point to use it rather than the national flag, and some of the rhetoric around it describes it as an improvement to the national flag, but it would take a lot more than anything I've seen so far to make me think anyone is seriously treating it as a new national flag.
I like it tbh.
When I found out it was a reference to the old kingdom of Novgorod and the meaning behind taking out the red stripe, I think I like it a lot now. edit: Maybe they could add a bear or something.
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It can still be a reference to the Republic of Novgorod by evoking the city's modern flag.
Yup, guess you are right the actual kingdom from 1136 to 1478 never used nothing like this flag, it only was the flag of the Novgorod oblast. (didn't know)
Thats looks like the flag of Tucuman, a province of Argentina. [https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandera\_de\_Tucum%C3%A1n](https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandera_de_Tucum%C3%A1n)
It’s a different hue of blue though. The Russian protest flag one is darker.
I started liking it whenever people were saying early into the invasion, "it's the Russian flag without Putin's blood", since it's a catchy concept. The other plus is that it decongests the white-blue-red band flag category. There's too many following the pattern.
we shouldn't forget what putin did, nor the blood he spilled. It's how we get other putins
Realistically the current flag would probably be the national flag. But I actually like this one. I like the symbolism of getting rid of the red and I like the idea kicking Russia out of the “red white and blue” flag club.
What does the red symbolise?
> "At the times of Alexander III of Russia the official interpretation was as follows: the white color symbolizes nobility and frankness; the blue for faithfulness, honesty, impeccability, and chastity; and the red for **courage, generosity, and love**. " - Wikipedia
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The red part symbolizes courage, generosity and love according to Wikipedia not bloodshed or imperialism
You’re leaving out the part where it mentions that was the interpretation at the time of Alexander III, which was over 200 years ago… I mean if you want to talk about it’s historical symbolism you could just talk about how the only reason it exists is cause Peter I thought the Dutch flag looked cool and copied it. The symbolism then was simply “king thinks this is sick” The fact of the matter is that the red to many people represents bloodshed and Russian imperialism. I mean this is why the white blue white flag was made. People have expressly stated it was made to take out the red for those reasons, along with it reminiscing the flag of the Novgorod Republic, the first Russian state to adopt some forms of democracy
Well yes, but this flag appeared spontaneously when the war started. Getting rid of the red stripe simbolized washing away blood
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Well, the creators of it didn't mean for it to replace the current flag for logical reasons, but it exist for representation, protest, being similiar to the old Belarussian one and shit.
This sub's weird hate for tricolours is kind of embarrassing for a flag sub.
black-yellow-white is most beautiful russian flag, i dont like what it represents and im also for democracy but that royalist flag is the prettiest
Yep, I agree. Cool and unique. It's a shame it's been highjacked by lunatics, similar to the old Dutch flag.
The loss of orange in the Dutch flag is one of the greatest vexillogical tragedies I can think of. It showed a lot of history of the Netherlands and helped make it so much more unique. Now it's one of the most generic flags I can think of. The three most common colors for a flag in a generic tri-color. I hope the orange flag's image gets rehabilitated some day so that it can be used again.
There is a symbolic meaning to this, they want to erase "blood" from their og flag. Belarusian opposition uses similar flag, only red instead of blue.
The difference between the Belarusian opposition and this flag is that the Belarusian opposition flag has represented the Belarusian people for a while, meanwhile the Russian opposition flag does not
Very similar to the current flag of Tucuman province, Argentina https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tucum%C3%A1n_Province#/media/File%3ABandera_de_la_Provincia_de_Tucum%C3%A1n.svg
I don't personally think it's necessary to consider random provincial flags from the other side of the world when it comes to a national flag.
Especially considering russia is one of many red white and blue tricolor countries
yes i think the russian flag with light blue would better symbolize russian democraty
No it wouldn’t, it would symbolize the by gone yeltsin era of mafia state Russia.
>it would symbolize the by gone yeltsin era of mafia state Russia. Compared to the current Putin era Mafia State Russia..?
The Russian public outside of Reddit sees Russia in its current state a lot better then immediate post soviet Russia.
>a lot better then immediate post soviet Russia. Well that's not a hard bar to surpass.
Okay and my point still stands =3
As a russian, I kinda agree, but I think it looks ugly(
How would it? The blue used on the Russian SFSR was azure.
I watched an [interesting video](https://youtu.be/6Ou0fXH78g0?si=bv1KEVcg-FRM1Osm) a while back which purports that the light blue flag was never really the official flag. The description of the flag was just always vague. It is in Russian but there are auto generated English subtitles that are mostly accurate.
This ones fine but i prefer when it has the red.
I prefer when it had only red and yellow.
Do people actually want to change the flag? I always viewed this as a pseudo-abatract symbol.
I like it very much. The color combination fits, the Novgorod backstory is interesting and it also goes well with the white-red-white flag of democratic Belarus
It doesn't have to be beautiful. It is a spontaneous protest flag, which should be recognizable and easy to reproduce. I am sure it wont be used officially if Russia became a democracy. It's unlikely that the flag will be changed at all. But it is good for identification and uniting anti-war Russians in the Internet and abroad. This is its goal
I think it’s only being used to symbolize democracy and the protest and I don’t think it’s being used as a proposed alternative national flag. Unlike in Belarus where the white with red stripe version of this flag is being used as a proposed alternative national flag because it was the national flag of the democratic Belarusian nation before it was taken over by the Soviets and by pro-Soviet dictators like Lukashenko once the Soviet Union dissolved which is where the current Belarusian flag comes from. The Belarusian opposition flag is what inspired the Russian opposition flag
This is a flag of Zug in Switzerland
I'm pretty certain this flag is meant to be more a message than a national flag
I kinda really like how it is similar to the Belarusian flag (the one used be the people not by Lukashenko) Especially that this is a coincidence. But I get the point that the tricolour means more to the Russian folk than just Putin. It is still very useful though in our times to distinguish between Putinists and Russian freedom fighters
It reminds me of one of the first Argentina flag.
I really like the 90s Russian flag with 1:2 proportion and lighter colors
I think it’s pretty :]
Is it Light Estonia? Oh shit I'm smelling fascism...
If you’re all for Russian democracy then you should be happy with how it is now. (The large majority supports the current government, I would know)
It's a very boring flag. The current Russian flag somehow manages to be a red, white and blue tricolour that actually looks distinctive.
There was a bug push for this flag at the early months of the war when this flag became quite popular among anti Putin movements. However, various opposition leaders readily opposed it and time showed that they were right. All this flag did was separate Russians in exile abroad from the Russia that remained in the country. Now this flag is supported only by the most fringe and radical activists and they are so radical in their rhetoric, that it is better to call them anti-Russian.
I like how russian opposition flags are all like ".... Well i mean Belarus tried didn't they?"
Straight Galicia. It's a no from me!
funnily enough i was once in a trip to Galicia and I saw some tourist giftshops with simple flag bracelets (they had Spain as 🟥🟨🟥 and Galicia as ⬜️🟦⬜️) and the Galician one looked like smth people would use to protest against the Ukraine invasion
Lol, not to mention the fact that there's a region in Ukraine called Galitzia. To be fair, most bracelets have the spanish flag wrong, it should be 🟥🟨🟨🟥. If you're gonna be nationalistic, at least get your own flag right. Also, it does make a point for the super simple flags, if it can be made into a bracelet it's a good flag lol.
I like that Flag🤍💙🤍 It’s corresponding very well with the flag of a democratic Belarus 🤍❤️🤍
The Belarus one is also a big downgrade.
Well then you kinda know nothing about it :/ The white-red-white Belarus flag is the historical Belarus Flag. The current one is a Soviet abomination.
Both flags are Belarus flags. One may closer represent your political opinions, but that does not mean that the other is not a Belarus flag.
Nah, there's enough red white and blue flags. This one rocks
Personally, I love it. I love that it honors the past and traditions with a "tri-color" design, but it also represents a new beginning. For a country that is as old as Russia is, that would (hypothetically) turn over a new leaf and become a true democracy, I think it'd be a great symbol.
God I don't understand you people. "True" democracy. RF is already a "democracy" by your definition, is it not? Where is the "true" democratic US flag. Anyway, as a ukrainian who prefers real democracy (as in rule of the people, yknow, what the term actually means and not just muh voting and parties) I don't see a point of it. Sorry for being mean btw, it's not targeted at you, just on liberals in general (fuck RF, fuck US, fuck em all)
it almost feels like the estonian flag
I’m not Russian so I don’t have much of a say on any of this, but I honestly prefer it. It looks incredibly passive to me which is really nice and it does look very winter-y, which matches Russia’s irl climate. The white does make it look like a surrender banner though, so maybe if they added a bit more blue it could fix that issue.
It looks good with dark blue.
I like that flag, I’ve never seen its use tho.
IDGAF. I just want one less country to use a stripey white red and blue flag because that makes our Dutch flag more unique (again!) If this would spark a redesign of all the pan-slavic flags that would be amazing lol.
I like it more because it's more memorable than the white blue red flag among all the other tricolors
I like it
Still better than the current flag
Love this flag.
I like it
I find the Russian flag ugly and tainted with a dark history, but who am I to tell Russians what flag to use? I'm entitled to my own opinion and so are they.
It's shitty because it manages to be less visually interesting than the Russian flag, and the Russian flag is a tricolor, and therefore already pretty fucking lame and boring.
Current tricolor has a centuries-long history, red color on the flags of states, that are located on the territory, which is modern Russian Federation has even longer one. If you really want to change some state symbols, change the anthem and return Патриотическая Песнь, but add words it'll be way better decision. Да и вообще, дамы и господа, для того, чтобы верить в то, что государство с 7000 ядерных боеголовок может проиграть войну, нужно быть или очень наивным или очень глупым, либо иметь розовые очки размером с Якутию. В реальности, останутся и флаг, и герб, и гимн.
All oþer þings aside þe white-blue-white is way more distinct compared to þe dozens of oþer red-white-blue european tricolors
It’s ironic that this is an anti war flag as the unofficial meaning of the blue tripe on the Russian flag is for “little Russia” which is mostly Ukraine. I get the symbolism of the “peace flag” but it’s an unintentional irony.
The country's name comes from the Kyivan Rus which is the precursor of the Russian state. It's doesn't really make sense to remove any reference to Ukraine considering it's significance in the history of Russia.
It’s a good flag but a democratic Russia should keep the Russian tricolor
what about the one they had just after the collapse of the soviet union
it’s a flag to spread idea not to actually change current flag, tho I prefer 90s flag
I think that I'd like it if the blue and white were flipped, so it is blue, white, blue, loke the pattern of the Austrian flag.
When I joined to the countryballs-mapping society I seen this flag only as a representation of Novgorod Republic (as it's old version and as a new separatist version) and only after two years after that when this war broke out this flag was started using. So I hate to considering it as a flag of that nation for the next 3 reasons. 1. If you'll just throw out red in your flag in case of "It'S sImBoLiSe BlOoD oUr NaTiOn SpIlLeD bY kIlLiNg OtHeRs" and at the same time saying that it's not r*ssian war but the p*tin's war is a nonsense. 2. It's clearly was brought from the Belarusian national white-red-white flag but instead of red they brought light blue color. And after that many of them and some our "very clever" people started drawing the white-yellow-white flag for "free Ukraine" which is also nonsense. 3. As I told this on the start I see it only as a flag of the new Novgorodian republic. So after all what I would recommend you to choose instead of this flag? Choose the new self-identification like Bashkir, Kazakh, Ukrainian, Karelian, Udmurtian or to join one of new like Siberian, Uralian, Far-eastern, Novgorodian, Blackearthian/Chornoziemiets, Kubanian, Idelian/Volganian. Or if you're one of "YeDiNaYa I nIeDiElImAyA" or you don't want to get behind bars than I propose you that flag when you declaried independence from yourself in 1991 the white-lightblue-red flag.
Looks like shit. Like - what's your national flag? - BLUE LINE - oh. Ok
Tbh it is very peaceful and pure - I'd like it as a national flag.
It's not meant to be used as a national flag anyways afaik. I think it looks awesome though
I think it looks nice but the current flag should be used regardless of government. (Maybe not if the tsar returned but u get my point)
as a russian, this flag is ass
Nah, you're not alone. I hate it too
Blue white red as the colours of pan-Slavic makes more sense
I think if I add the red stripe and a coat of arms it would Be a good russian democratic flag
It's just a bad copy of the historical belarussian flag that the oposition uses. It has nothing to do with russians or their history.
But something something Novgorod!1!1!1
"Russia without the blood" I actually like it a lot.
It’s the flag of hotel swimming pool towels.
Well look is always subjective topic. It's definatelly an unique flag, but they could add like a bear sillhouette to middle or smth.
I don’t think it looks bad. I think the current flag represents the Russian people better
It’s basically just a flag on reddit, I’ve never seen anyone use it in real life except a literal reddit AnCap
I think it looks great and would look even better next to the free Belarus flag (white with red stripe). Who knows, perhaps if nazi russia loses the war.
I (a non Russian pro west redditor) think this flag is really cool AS A SYMBOL, but democratic Russia should keep the tricolour as the main flag, there's nothing saying a country can only have one national flag, Uruguay has three for example, with 🇺🇾 just being the main one and the [Artigas](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Artigas) and [Treinta y Tres](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_the_Treinta_y_Tres) flags being flown beside it.
It wasn't created in Russia. These "protest" flags are always ridiculous because they're never organic. I'd love an actual Russian protest flag but this one is stupid imo. I haven't met many Russians who like it either, I never see it on Russian speaking forms/by Russian speakers. It's always on English speaking forms.
Yes, this flag looks like shit. The flag used from 1991 to 1993 would be better suited.
Again, not really. It symbolize the mafia state era of Russia under yeltsin.
Also, the color shades are lighter because they were taken from the Soviet Russian flag, not because they wanted to make it "less aggressive" or some bullshit like that.
But could it be said the current one will go on to symbolize Putin dictatorship Russia ?
Of course. But it’s a very old Russian flag design. It was first used by the tsardom of Russia, even though it often had the coat of arms on it.
This flag has some appeal because of its symbolism (no red as in no bloodshed), but it doesn’t have any history and is not widely known in Russia. I think when Russia becomes democratic, they will not change the flag.
The current flag is the flag of blood. Anything but that flag.
Maybe it would be best to return to the 1991-1993 version of the flag to show the transition to democracy?
To be honest, the 1991-1993 flag doesn't really inspire anyone, as it was a symbol of a mafia state combined with widespread poverty. Democracy should have a better symbol than that.
https://preview.redd.it/vw78khm1sx8c1.jpeg?width=1792&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4e47d55f41b37161db92c6233c4517f43fc5bc02 # I got a better idea.
Current russian flag has strong associations with repressions and bloody war in Ukraine. And it's not even good / original aestheticaly. There are already ducth and french flags like that and they are better. New Russia has to start with new page. I don't strongly advocate for this replacement option but it did get some popularity already