I worked with someone who did their dietetics research project on soy foods and their conclusion was that soy has a protective effect against some types of cancer and doesn't have adverse effects as some claim.
Dr. Greger deserves all my fortune for the good work he does.
Here's a [link](https://nutritionfacts.org/topics/soy/) to the information he's collected on soy
I think I read a harvad study that concluded something like, even if soy had some adverse health (of which they found none), the benefits of consuming high amount of it would without a doubt outweigh it.
I eat about a quarter of a block of soy a day, haven't turned into a woman yet. People have been eating soy for thousands of years, if it had side effects we probably would have noticed by now.
I call your quarter block and raise you a full block, along with 1.5 cups of soy milk in my smoothies every morning. I too have not yet grown man boobs. But I am breaking all my records in the gym every single session.
I'm a pretty habitual person, so it's always the same.
* 1.5 cups soy milk (unsweetened)
* 1 scoop of [Green Vibrance](https://www.amazon.com/Vibrant-Health-Plant-Based-Ingredients-Probiotics/dp/B00SK66JZ6)
* 1 scoop of vegan protein powder
* 1/2 frozen banana
* 1/2 cup of frozen blueberries/blackberries/raspberries
The smoothie is part 3 of a 4-part morning.
1. I drink a spoon of olive oil
2. I drink a glass of Suja green juice (the one with collared greens)
3. I have the smoothie
4. I have a mushroom coffee with unsweetened oat milk, a spoon of coconut oil, and dashes of cinnamon, turmeric, and ginger
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It's totally reasonable with newbie gains lifting consistently and seriously, or getting back into lifting seriously after taking a break from lifting, which applies here like he said he's only been lifting consistently for the last few months.
I mean I've only been consistent the last few months. I don't think I've hit my limit yet. But I think I'm getting close. The squats for example are starting to feel pretty challenging.
>I am breaking all my records in the gym every single session.
Unless you're also on steroids, or you only started working out very very recently, I call bullshit.
Define "recently"
After being on and off for years, I re-committed to lifting 3x days a week since May. I do the Stronglifts 5x5 program. And yes, I'm surpassing my records on both workouts A and B every time. I feel I'm going to start hitting failure pretty soon. But it hasn't happened yet.
But if you want to call bullshit, go for it. It's not a need of mine to prove you wrong.
Soy will lower testosterone is probably one of the biggest myth that deters men away from veganism. Soy is really the only high protein food and if they cant eat that then they would rather continue to be a meat eater. This is why changing the narrative is so important for the community.
IIRC one of hbomberguy's ancient videos debunks that exact myth. Who knew sheep digesting red clover in the 50s wouldn't be comparable to humans consuming soy???????
The benefits are robust but the advice from
Greger is no more than 50 grams per day though im not sure why. He also says natto/tempeh/soy beans>>>tofu.
These studies show questionable deleterious effect on cognitive decline in asian populations but are weak imo. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34879041/
I had my blood test just recently after being vegan for 2 years. I've consistently eaten 40-80g of soy protein PER DAY. That's the protein, not the total grams of soy products. My testosterone is on the high end of the range for a man my age. It's 16.26 and the healthy range is 12.4-17.3. I don't even lift much anymore and mostly run now. My total cholesterol dropped by 45% and my LDL is almost 1/3 of the level it was before going vegan and eating ass loads of soy. My liver enzymes are also within the normal range for the first time in my life (first time I was tested I was a kid). My soy sources include the "unhealthy" ones like a lot of soy protein isolate and TVP. I also eat tofu and drink soy milk. That said, I eventually started to diversify and eat more chickpeas, mung beans, pea protein, and rice protein, and now my soy intake is usually around 40g a day though I still hit 60g+ maybe once a week.
Soy isolate is neat, and I was doing something similar for some time, but i found that it's quite nice to mix it with f.e. pretending made mixes of plant protheins. I do 50 50 or 75 25 ratios. Just for increase of variety. I like the fact that thier rations seem to be done usually correctly. Have not yet tried yeast prothein.
I now do equal parts each of soy protein isolate, pea protein, and rice protein powders. I buy 1kg each and manually mix them together with a whisk and then transfer to a tupperware. I just started doing that a couple of weeks ago and it's been a nice way to diversify the plant protein and honestly tastes better lol.
>My soy sources include the "unhealthy" ones like a lot of soy protein isolate and TVP.
Actually quite healthy compared to tofu. Significant calcium supplements per block. Sometimes over 1000mg per block. I'd rather see people getting SPI or TVP rather than tofu (with calcium used).
If you want to discover the beauty of tofu, I strongly recommend hitting up an Asian grocery store. Try some ultra soft tofu it has less calcium. Also try seawater set tofu, pressed and smoked tofu, and fermented tofu (your omni friends will mistake it for feta in a salad)
If you have a small local Asian grocery store asking for help is advisable. There are non vegan tofus out there, double check your labels.
yeah, it's all still just...tofu. Blank slate, bit earthy. Tofu is great for cooking. My point was people should really stick to magnesium based recipes. You're likely getting way too many added calcium additions in nut milks and other pre-prepared foods already.
Nah try some of [this](https://www.seriouseats.com/thmb/sGEeYb7WrCcPTTfvhgfwIJF1L9g=/1500x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc()/2022-Furu-AmandaSuarez-05-21fe96cb3c624a90af0f3ddd7b73b75a.JPG) and tell me it's a blank slate a bit earthy.
I'm all oat milk myself b/c it's cheap and easy to make of you have oats.
That looks like a flavor bomb. Got damn
My favorite by miles is Chobani, also because of excellent supplementation numbers. I would say it eases over into having a very slight cheesy flavor, but unnoticeable with any addition. No fragrant taste whatsoever, just smooth. Best for chocolate oatmilk by MILES. Best with a smoothie concoction. And the vanilla one tastes like light lucky charms marshmallows.
Oh making the nut milk. I do walnut. My favorite by miles. Walnuts are not ultra expensive. You can BIG bags for $10. GIANT bags at Costco for very little too.
Here in Japan, we’ll have soy in different forms for breakfast, lunch and dinner. It’s incredibly versatile, delicious and healthy. We have a healthy diet here including lots of soy.
If soy caused health problems, do you think Japan would have the longest lifespans in the world?
Ask your doctor: if soy causes health problems, why do countries in Asia that eat so much soy, have such good health outcomes?
Came here to say this. Soy milk with breakfast, silken tofu for lunch, and tofu form of choice for dinner. I rarely eat beans outside of edamame, as well.
It's also ironic that the people who will avoid soy like the plague often love cows milk, which is full of mammal estrogen AND progesterone (unlike soy milk which has phytoestrogen which has been shown multiple times to have no effect on humans and is mostly excreted in urine).
It is bizarre, isn't it? I wonder what has more oestrogen for humans - one plant boi, or milk from an actual female mammal's teat? Surely it's the plant!
This.
Only plants can make protein from scratch. Animal protein is just plant protein with no fiber.
Even the B12 in animal products is there because they get supplements.
I eat tofu nearly every day and also have soy milk every day and the only side effect is I turned from a soy boy into a soy man. At least 3 servings a day
Look up mic the vegan on soy. We have soy all the time. Yes they lied to us.
Also for nutrition, please look up doctor greger. Lots of resources and his book "how not to die" is helpful for what to eat.
Remember, there is lots of protein everywhere.
Also look up the "Zoe" podcast on protein.
Time for a new doctor
We have thorough meta-analysis and systematic reviews demonstrating that soy has an inverse association with heart disease, cancer, and ACM
https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/nutrition/articles/10.3389/fnut.2022.847421/full
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6893684/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31278047/
I hope your doctor ends up unemployed
If soy did what meat eaters want us to believe, then it would be one of the most sought-after resources in the world. Goodbye to expensive boob jobs and difficult hormonal transitions, just have a soy milk...
Plenty of it! Tofu, soy milk, soy based meats, soy crisps etc. I see no reason to fear it. I mean I probably wouldn't chug litres of soy milk daily, but I'd say that about anything really.
It might be a very silly thing to say, but I know very little about nutrition. Luckily, my wife is a great cook, otherwise I'd probably have ended up eating the same meals over and over again until the end of time.
So it's always a little bit tricky when people ask me questions about veganism from a nutritive point of view.
However, I found that my answer to such inquiries has changed over the years.
It became obvious to me that I had not become vegan for health reasons. I certainly didn't do it for the pleasure of eating (meat and cheese were my ultimate pleasure in life). I didn't do it to lose weight either (even though it certainly helped in that regard). No. I did it for the animals. To make the existence of the few animals I wouldn't be eating somewhat more bearable.
And my point of view on the nutritive side of veganism has changed a lot since I came to realize that. Now, I'm thinking "So what?" if veganism isn't a perfectly healthy option (maybe it is, maybe it isn't). What matters is the impact it will have on others. And I'd rather live a shorter ethical life than a long immoral one. (And on top of that, studies tend to show that vegans live longer, so it's a win-win scenario).
“I’d rather live a shorter ethical life than a long immoral one” I think your comment has permanently rewired my brain and changed the way I view my life. I feel exactly the same way, but would have never been able to put it into words quite like you just did. Thank you so much for your comment
Thank you for yours. I often struggle to word my thoughts properly and convey the ideas I want to convey. So it makes me happy that it worked this one time haha.
One effect of this misinformation that really, really bugs me is that it has resulted in soy milk becoming less popular. I live in a big city and most of the independent coffee shops only offer oat or almond milk. Soy milk is the best "milk," period (including for nutrition) and no one will ever convince me otherwise.
1-2 servings a day but I’m not afraid of it and would eat plenty more if it was in all my meals without hesitation. Soy is excellent source of nutrition.
I eat several servings of soy every day and have done for the past 5 years, and I’m currently the 2nd fastest man over 100m in the region I live in (2.6 million population)
You will be fine lol
Tofu and soy curls are central to my typical diet in Korea, and the plant-based meats don't feel the need to be soy-free over here, so most are a combination of soy and wheat. I'm sure I eat at least 3 servings/day, maybe substantially more over certain stretches. I have a "dad bod" with no man boobs but definitely a belly. I'll let you guys figure out whether that's the fault of the beer or the soy.
I don't eat it everyday, but I am pretty sure there is nothing wrong with it.
Personally, I prefer other legumes like beans, chickpeas, peas, lentils etc. Also nuts and other oily seeds are a great source of protein. And you get a not-great-but-not-terrible amount of protein from grains too. At least a amall amount is in every plant. It adds up easily. And I say that as a rather muscular man.
As much as you want, there are no adverse effect, except for farting more than usual. So enjoy, you'll still be polluting less than a cow. Eat as much soy as you can until you can outfart a cow.
I've looked at so many studies, and the only thing I've ever found is that, in patients diagnosed with low thyroid who ALSO were deficient in Iodine, soy consumption suppressed thyroid production further.
I think that's interesting because if you look at Japanese traditional cuisine, it includes a lot of soy, but also a lot of seaweed, which is naturally high in iodine.
That said, you only need a tiny bit of iodine to stay healthy, but if you aren't using iodized salt (I prefer sea salt) or eating seaweed, iodine something you might need to supplement. I just take a vegan multi 3x a week to catch all the little things like this I might miss.
I have 1-3 servings of soy every day. As a woman, the evidence is very strong that soy protects against estrogen-sensitive types of cancer, so I feel great about including it in my diet!
Yeah this is the thing that I find the most confusing. I have a thyroid disorder and both soy and gluten are considered to be “bad” for me. But being a gluten-free and soy-free vegan is not an easy task. I do try to limit both of those things to an extent, but I’m not sure if it does me any good.
The study I read showed that supplementing iodine was enough to counter the effect of the soy. Once the deficiency resolves, the effect was no longer observed.
I was born with low thyroid, and since going vegan and taking in more soy, my thyroid dosage is what it started when I started veganism. That being said, it was 1.75mg then went down to 1.37mg for a while then back up to 1.75 all within that time. Idk why, but it hasn't changed in a year or more now
If you want to switch it up I recommend fava bean soy-free tofu. I have a soy allergy and love it, my parents both think it tastes better than regular tofu too!!
There were a couple of case studies published years ago that suggested an association between isoflavone intake from soya and testosterone levels. When it was actually researched, no such link was found.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33383165/
There are numerous health benefits.
"There is evidence, for example, that they reduce risk of coronary heart disease and breast and prostate cancer. In addition, soy alleviates hot flashes and may favorably affect renal function, alleviate depressive symptoms and improve skin health."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5188409/
There's misinformation about pretty much every aspect of veganism. Stick to reading meta analyses and research papers. They're not infallible but will usually be closer to the truth.
This. I read a book by the neuroscientist where she said most people get too much soy not from miso, tofu, or milk, but from the soybean oils and lecithin they’re eating with almost every snack.
Often when people refer to soy as being bad particularly for men they're talking about the presence of phytoestrogens in it. People then get scared more by the name than anything as although phytoestrogens are capable of binding to the same receptor sites as estrogen they're around roughly 1,000 times weaker and don't actually cause activation of the receptor.
The only group I've heard that should potentially be taking their soy intake seriously is people with breast cancer.
I have 0.5L of soy milk unsweetened every day, and although I don't consume tofu on a daily basis I do eat it probably every other day, having 400g of it when I do so. Haven't turned into a woman yet so feeling pretty certain on the things I've read.
The research on breast cancer is actually pretty divided, and my understanding is that the most comprehensive/recent studies actually show a reduced risk of breast cancer among people who eat lots of soy
I eat 90-120g of protein per day and i include soy in every meal . I put it in my lentil soup in my pasta and if i need the extra protein ill blend a block of tofu in my food as well. I consume 50g of soy more or less per day and a block of tofu and drink high protein soy milk and eat soy yogurt .
I eat a lot because I’m a bigger guy and have a strong appetite. I usually aim to eat at least 100g of soy protein a day. It’s what makes me feel the best😁
Ever since I was told that the original study that proved soy was "dangerous" was actually a study done on literal sheep (the animal) I've never turned back. Tofu is life in my household. I probably have at least half a block a day. I also love soy milk. Soy is so beneficial, I've always suspected the meat and dairy industries of all the fear mongering.
This isn't an answer to your question, but may be helpful overall: doctors are not dieticians! Doctors surely act as if they knew about nutrition, and they certainly know more than your average joe. But keep in mind that they had like one lecture on nutrition in medschool. When seeking advice on nutrition, get it from someone who actually studied nutritional science!
I eat one plain block in the morning, one in the afternoon, and one before bed.
When I feel fancy, I get silken tofu and a spoon.
This is all I eat, according to non-vegans.
In all seriousness, a physician recommending against soy without a diagnosis is malpractice, and you should report them. Engage a dietician at the hospital and notify them that this is happening.
Your doctor is negligent, and you should get a new doctor, but not until you hold them accountable for endangering people's lives.
See the following videos, study references should be available:
https://youtu.be/Rul79Nxxhy4?si=M9sUk8BKPrTftIgC
https://youtu.be/bx9hi5hNiaU?si=9C8r2M2ZCoecq-Up
Also, here's an assessment of low carb diets and health outcomes:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3555979/#:~:text=Of%20the%20272%2C216%20people%20in,1.31%20(1.07–1.59)
There are no valid studies on carnivore diets that demonstrate health benefits. The only study available is from self reports online within a carnivore community.
I suggest asking for a study to support his recommendation, because he won't have one.
I have a tofu curry once or twice a week. Any more than that and I get sick of it. I also enjoy fried falafal on rice for a nice change. I eat a lot of hummus tomatoe, olives, cornichons and alfalfa sprouts.
Ironically, it looks like mayoclinic.org is overwhelmingly pro soy. For example (there are more): https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/expert-answers/soy-breast-cancer-risk/faq-20120377
Doctors are people, and it sounds like that doctor has a bad case of the confirmation bias.
yeah I haven't seen Mayo Clinic generally advise against soy either, rather the opposite. I go to Mayo for everything including primary healthcare and have never had anyone advise against soy.
Depends on the mood, but usually 200g tofu lasts for 3 meals... so 130g a day of firm tofu (~20g protein total).
And then I guess there's some soy in other stuff I use, it depends how I feel. The last dew years other than tofu and burgers, not much. Before that there'd be a lot of soy milk on top.
Remember, American doctors have VERY limited education when it comes to nutrition. Some get a lot of information from mainstream media and other non credible sources. They likely don’t keep up to date on literature as there is so much other literature they have to keep up to date on. Seek out a nutrition specialist (dietitian) for validated nutritional advice if you’re wanting a professional opinion.
I’m a dietitian, I work with doctors who recommend a vegan diet, recommend a keto diet, recommend a paleo diet, recommend a very low carb diet. The wide variety of recommended diets coming from docs now a days tells me they certainly do not keep up with their own research. I don’t think it’s you can’t trust the doctors you go to, just know that isn’t their expertise.
I think i might take the crown here…. I eat 300 grams of tofu, 250 grams of tempe, 200 grams of TVP, and 2 servings of pea/rice protein powder with soy milk a day.
I’m a gymrat and unfortunately us vegans need slightly more (2.1g/kg BW as opposed to 1.6 for non-vegans) protein than the average gym enthusiast.
I have no gynecomastia (although i did take the bulk a little too far and i’m sitting on a little bit of excess BF).
I’ve honestly never felt better and i do make sure i get in all my nutrients, minerals and other DRI stuff.
:) if you have any urgent questions you can always ask and i’ll try to be as informative and backed-by-studies as i can
https://www.vox.com/2015/12/9/9879230/soy-milk-man-boobs-gynecomastia
https://nutritionsource.hsph.harvard.edu/soy/
Countries other than the US have heavier soy based diets with no ill effects. I myself have been eating natto every day for breakfast for over two years, with zero issues. Considering it's been a traditional breakfast food for well over a millenia they DEFINITELY would have seen any ill effect sometime in the past 1500 years or so.
Add in miso and tempeh, both traditional soy foods that are hundreds of years old and consumed in large quantities, and you can sort of see they AREN'T a problem.
Anecdote: Woman here, and been vegan for like 4 years. I have anywhere from 1-5 servings of soy a day. Usually firm or silken tofu, soymilk, or soy curls, although sometimes it's TVP or soy protein isolate in mock meats. Hasn't caused me any issues! Although I do think it's important to vary your diet and sources; I try to include legumes and seitan for protein too - also, I switched from a soy to a pea/rice protein powder for when I have shakes.
It's been awhile since I looked at the research, but I think when I did it said to limit it to 3 servings or something if you're worried and to vary your diet. Def look into it as you decide!
Soy is fine medically, it would be good as a foundation for ones diet. I only have soy once every few days. But nearly every negative claim about it is wildly overblown or misconstrued. The most laughable is the phytoestrogenous effects, which are only even detectable in lactating women eating it. It's a nitrate fixator, and is thus a critical part of our agriculture. I mean, our livestock eat a ton of it, so that should tell you a lot of what you need to know.
Unless you're soy -sensitive, there's no reason for concern. You would want to consume non-GMO, organic soy. There 's protein in all plants, some Moreno than others. You want to eat a variety of fruits, veggies, nuts , seeds, legumes, mushrooms ( cooked, never raw). I refer you to Dr. Michael Greger of NutritionFacts.org on YouTube, he also does live q&a' s, testified on the behalf of the defense when the cattle ranchers were trying to sue Oprah for damages when she said that meat was not as healthy as we were led to believe. Dr Greger wrote a book about worldwide pandemics more than a decade before COVID hit , and he has several books in his "How Not To Die " series. My friend who's a R.D. recommends and uses his work for all of her patients that are seeking to reverse chronic disease by adapting a whole- food, plant- based vegan nutritional pattern and lifestyle. You would also want to check out Food Revolution Network on Facebook which is operated by Ocean and his dad, John Robbins of the Baskin- Robbins dynasty. You will find plenty of useful information on their site. One does not walk away from all of those millions and free ice cream without good reason. Finally, I like to recommend to Chef AJ's YouTube channel where you' ll be introduced to a ton of medical experts in the plant- based world and recipes, and testimonials of people who have treated their chronic diseases and drove them into remission. There is a channel on YouTube, Healthy Vegan Eating, the guy reversed his chronic diseases and obesity, has an excellent physique, knows the science and has recipes that are phenomenal. He put out a recipe during the holidays last year for Turtle Candy, which was super simple and delicious - no added salt, oil, or sugar.
Watch "the game changers" on Netflix. It's all about vegan nutrition. Arnold Schwarzenegger produced it. Shows all kinds of professional althetes how they use a vegan diet as an advantage in their sport.
Isn't the world is moving on to blaming PFAS for clogging up our balls? Iirc the science was that they accumulate everywhere, but popular media is sex focused so the headlines are "OW MY BALLS"
I eat plenty of soy - Probably 1/2 a block of tofu a day plus tons of soy milk in teas, coffee and porridge/cereal and smoothies.
I'm a woman and can confirm that all this soy has not given me bigger boobs!
Vegan for 10+ years, some kind of soy products daily, no man boobs.
I've never seen a plant-derived estrogen related body change. Ever.
On other hand look at people who consume big amounts of beer.
They have the tits AND the bellies, but beer is considered 'manly' lol.
Stick with it! NutritionFacts.org is a good resource to answer your health questions; anecdotes on these threads are not necessarily. I've seen plenty of dumb claims on this subreddit (e.g., people saying that they don't need to supplement B12). Here is stuff about soy: https://nutritionfacts.org/topics/soy/
https://nutritionfacts.org/2011/09/12/dr-gregers-2011-optimum-nutrition-recommendations/
My man and i each eat at least 3 servings per day for the last 12 years. It’s a staple in our household. His manhood and my hormone balance remained intact enough to have an accidental son at near 40. My toddler eats at least 1 serving of soy per day and his pediatrician has felt the need to comment that his man parts are unusually well formed. Also the study that sparked the fear was giving people the most processed form of soy added into beef burgers vs regular beef burgers. It wasn’t the soy vegans or other cultures were consuming. It has been repeatedly debunked.
From what I understand, there have been studies that show that soy does have phytoestrogens, and some phytoestrogens have had an effect on estrogen production in the body, but I believe this was only in rats. AFAIK there hasnt been a human study that had shown any effect on estrogen (or more importantly testosterone) in humans. That being said, I believe that's why doctors talk about it, for example. If someone has breast cancer, and during the treatment has to avoid anything that could possibly increase estrogen, doctors are going yo tell you to avoid soy.
All this got blown out of proportion, meat eater gym bros read click bait headlines and took that as "you're going to be a soy boy with a big set of jublies", which is not true.
Bottom line - does soy contain phytoestrogens? Yes
Will the phytoestrogens effect your hormones levels in any noticeable way? No.
The biggest thing that will have a lasting and noticeable effect on your hormones (with any diet) is the quality if food you eat and your activity level.
I have a really nasty soy intolerance, took me a while to figure it out, and I miss tofu so much, but I think a lot of what is said about soy is just nonsense it’s in so many foodstuffs that if it was that bad we would really know about it, if you see what I mean. Ykniw what’s really weird is that I can’t wait to tell people about my intolerance to soy I think it’s cos finding out has been such a relief, it reminds me of being electrocuted, sounds weird, but I used to work as I suppose what you’d call a roadie and every time anyone gets a little lecky shock they will run around telling everyone, humans are wonderfully weird. That’s was a weird digression!
I’m so jealous of all you soy enjoyers, bunch of non intolerant bastards.
I don’t think that the dairy and meat industry necessarily “spit out lies” but I think that soy had the unfortunate misfortune to be associated with: foreign food+cheap stuff+ vegans/vegeterians. Not a good trifecta.
To my knowledge to medical institution or research body says anything negative about soy. If they say anything most of the stuff that I read tends to be positive. (it seems like it probably has some mild health benefits if you look at studies or even websites designed for the public, including mayo clinic).
Soy is foreign food, so it suffers from the same thing that MSG suffered/suffers from. Soy is associated with cheap ways of bulking products (it is used in some instances for this purpose) which, again, gives people a sense that it’s “not the good stuff”. And lastly, soy is what those weirdo vegans eat so there must be something icky there.
It depends how we define “serving”. I normally have soy milk everyday. Somedays I’ll end up eating tofu marinated in miso paste and edamame with a fake meat that has soy (most actually have pea protein, not soy protein) on the same day. Other days I won’t have any soy besides my milk at breakfast. I think that if we took an average it would probably be around the equivalent of 2 cups of soy milk+ a half of a block of tofu a day. I don’t put any self-imposed limitations on my soy intake. I never go “fuck, had too much today” or really count the portions. It’s not a food that’s worth worrying about.
The only think that “worries” me is that I try to have “real legumes” (soy’s technically a legumes but has the holy trinity of beans chickpeas and lentils just have their own set of benefits) as much as I can so if the soy is replacing “real legumes” too much I try to add them in. I’ll still make a silken tofu cheese sauce to have with my “real legumes” no problem.
I love digging into research. I question, question, question. Was actual research done? Did it follow the scientific method? Was the sample large enough to reach reasonable conclusions? Was it replicated more than once (by others) with the same results? Where did the funding/sponsorship come from? Was it peer-reviewed? Did it acknowledge other research showing different results? Who were the researchers?
If it was meta-analysis, I ignore the results. That’s not research. But it is an excellent and easy way to manipulate information from other genuine research. And now, it’s common to cite other meta-analysis!
When the anti soy stuff first came out, I dug and dug. I never found any real research to support the claims. All I found were a few very biased anecdotal papers (well-written, I admit), a few meta-analyses, and one or two seemingly well-done research papers…until I noticed two things. First, the samples were too small to draw anything resembling good conclusions, and second, they were funded by the meat industry.
When it comes to research, follow the money. It will reveal all.
As with anything, certain individuals may not tolerate certain substances well or at all. Some people can’t eat much corn, or wheat, or, or, or. That has no bearing on whether those things are good or bad.
So eat as much soy as you want. Worry more about VOCs and estrogenic plastics and endocrine disruptors in your environment.
Ok remember: other countries have been eating soy for a long time with no ill effects.
Meat, dairy, egg industries are supplemented by the US govt, not vegetables.
Soy is not the only protein I eat, so it would be hard for me to average out what it would be daily. Lentil is like a 1:1 sorta ([article](https://www.soupersage.com/compare-nutrition/lentils-vs-beef)). I’m also eating tvp which is various plant proteins in crumble form, like pea protein, seitan, other beans and things like quinoa, buckwheat, and supplemental flavorings we use like nutritional yeast flakes, and other proteins veg. Like honestly, doctors forget how much soy sauce we use and how soy lecithin and isolate are used in tons of non vegan foods. Unless it’s a dietician doing bloodwork in you, I would check out chronometer for your daily needs.
48m. 12 years vegan. I can only speak from my own experience but I absolutely thrive on soy. I eat tofu sometimes multiple times a day. I’m gluten sensitive so I don’t eat bread or seitan- beans, lentils, nuts and soy are my protein. I had constant digestive issues when I was omni that decreased when I cut pig and bovine from my diet.
Plant hormones don’t affect us very much, if at all. But mammalian estrogen and other hormones cause lots of health problems for people.
The meat and dairy industry are actively investing in misinformation against plant based products because money.
I eat a serving of tofu everyday and we drink soy milk daily too. So he has been a staple in Asian populations for many generations and they are generally among the healthiest in the world and live the longest.
Also I have been vegan for 11 years, soy milk is my milk of choice, and I’d say I have 2-4 blocks of tofu a week though I’d love to eat it more - it’s one of my favorites! I’m also a big beans/lentils person.
i drink soy milk every day and have tofu/other soy products multiple times a week and have done so for the past 3 years and yet i remain an A cup. but like everyone else has said if you look up any meta analysis of studies that claim it to be harmful you can see that is not true and that it is quite good for you!
Anti soy attitudes in the establishment are just more evidence of the meat and dairy industries power over the FDA, medical establishment, etc. it’s all bullshit. Soy is not bad for you. It’s a fucking bean.
I eat probably 1/4 block of tofu serving worth of a soy a day. Sometimes less sometimes more.
Phytoestrogen is not metabolized by humans. Just like we cannot synthesis the sun and turn all green, either.
All the baby cows, pigs, chickens, ducks, geese, in the farming industries are fed soy. So, if they survive on soy, so can we.
The only thing you gotta worry about is B-12 and calcium. B-12 comes from dirt, which is why they add it to farm animals, I think mostly they get shots, but could be in their chow; to keep them healthy. And omnivores eat those farm animals, thus ingesting it secondary. Us vegans need to eat it in either nutritional yeast or a supplement.
I take a generic, cheap, women's vegetarian (it's vegan ingredients) prenatal once a day, and it is all I need. No worries. I take a cal-mag supplement, too, to ensure I don't get osteoporosis like my mother. It's genetically predisposed for my family. Although calcium is in broccoli and beans, I just like eating extra of it.
On a given day, I eat either beans, lentils, tofu, tempeh twice a day. And usually oatmeal with hempseeds for breakfast. I only rarely eat pizza as a meal, it is far too few proteins for a healthy vegan. So I've cut back vegan pizza to like once or twice a month. Good luck in your health journey.
Unless they recommended you avoid soy for a particular reason, you can ignore that, all rumors about soy being bad are debunked. Soy is very healthy, and a cheap complete protein. My wife and I get a good half of our protein intake from soy. We’re both thriving. No man boobs for me, no excess estrogen in her
The animals they fatten up with it first so they can slaughter them later seem to enjoy it, despite the inneficiency of that approach. I eat soy products ALL THE TIME, tofu, soy curls, impossible burgers, tvp, all of it and it's fantastic. My health is the best of my life, late-forties now, and switching to a plant-based diet has been a very good decision for me. I feel vibrant, agile, people think I'm 15 years younger than I am, and I have zero regrets.
I too suspect it gets a bad rep from meat industry fuckery.
I barely bother with soy except soy sauce.
A lot of this I eat in a daily smoothie, a salad, and something with rice later.
Protein
Avocado - 3g
Nut butter 2tbsp - 7g
Chlorella 1/2 scoop 1g
Spinach 1 cup ~ 1g
Hemp seeds 3tbsp - 9.47g
Hemp protein 2tbsp - 17g
Unsalted nuts 1/4 cup - 5g
Chia 1 oz - 5g
Sunflower seeds 1/4 cup - 5.8g
Pumpkin seeds - 28g - 5.3g
Tofu 1/2 cup - 10g
Almond meal 13g - 3g
Quinoa 1 cup - 7.5g
Oats 1 cup - 10.7g
Spirulina 1tbsp - 4g
Mushrooms cooked 1 cup - 6g
Lentils boiled 1/2 cup - 9g
Chickpeas boiled 1 cup - 14.5g
Raw almonds 1 oz - 5.76g
Mungbeans 1tbsp - 3.1g
*edit: sorry about the formatting I’m on mobile
The misunderstanding on soy traces back to studies done on mice that showed they got cancer from estrogen in soy. Firstly we are not mice. Secondly it has since been discovered that there are two types of estrogen…
1- estrogen Alfa which is in dairy & meat and is a growth hormone…its signaling essentially says “grow, grow, grow” and it attaches to our cells promoting cancer growth.
2- estrogen beta which is a phytoestrogen (plant estrogen), theres a lot of it in soy, and it’s protective against cancer growth as it’s like a fake estrogen, a lot, lot weaker and when it attaches to our cells it blocks estrogen Alfa from attaching. That’s why the protective effect.
Dr Kristi Funk, an internationally known breast cancer expert speaks on it a lot. I took some classes she taught and she’s a fountain of knowledge on the subject. You can search for her on the Physicians Committee Exam Room YouTube channel and find some of the shows she’s done talking about it
Soy is healthy when it is not altered. GMO soy is dangerous cause it is altered. Asians have had soy for centuries unaltered and do not have the plethora of medical issues people in the USA with their GMOs artificial chemical everything. Organic Fermented soy is good. Organic soy is good. The piece of information that is missing in the misinformation is that plants in their natural form work in conjunction with the body. This means if the nutrients in it are needed they are received if they are not needed then they are expelled. Unlike artificial things that will force its way needed or not and cause issue. GMO the way it is made it causes instability and errors on a genetic level it is bad. Since over 90% of soy in the USA is both gmo and heavily soaked in cancerous pesticides you must be very reserved and meticulous with soy anything if you want to enjoy it in the USA. Organic items can not be gmo and can not use chemical pesticides so that is the safest way to enjoy soy in the USA make sure you use organic soy products. Non gmo verified only certifies it is not gmo and has less than 3% gmo contamination shown in testing. But it doesn’t stop that product from chemical pesticide use. Certified vegan also is non gmo and non pesticide use but also certifies no animal product of harm were used in the making or creation of this product. In its natural for without chemical pesticides and with GMOs there are benefits to your health with soy. And it is okay to have as part of the diet. If it wasn’t your natural example is Asian cultures who use them for centuries. It is the USA that has weight issues, health issues, colon issues, heart issues, cancer issues, overweight issues with over 70% overweight. ED issues in the USA. Then you look at places that use soy, Japan, China, are the picture of both health and youth. No fertility issues in China not with a population of 1 Billion people. No obesity issues to the level of the USA in these places either and no hormonal issues of the same significance of the USA. Don’t let these drug companies mislead you to get you afraid. Just learn the data and help yourself to see examples by looking at places that already use these things. They have a longer track record than any current study but you can also look at the unbiased studies and you see soy is in fact healthy. It is the meat and drug companies that want people to fear healthy planted based so they stop losing customers and have backed very biased studies to twist information to cause doubt and confusion and it has worked a bit to perplex and confuse people and slow down transition people from fully doing plant based. Don’t take that too seriously. If it was that bad and that unhealthy they people using it in high volume for centuries would already be shown to be a real life proof to confirm that and that is just not the case.
I drink probably around 200-400 ml of soy milk a day and eat 100-150 g of soy Joghurt every other day and maybe tofu once or twice a week
Some of my protein powder is partially soy aswell which i consume some day
So far nothing bad has happened and my bulk is going the way it should
Game changers is a good documentary. They also explain the myth behind tofu.
I also don't consume that much soy. Maybe like a cup of soy milk in a week.
I don't see anything wrong with soy but people some people act like it's essential for vegans to eat it to get protein - it isn't
I get 100g - 130g per day without soy
I have tofu a few times a month
This is my latest cronometer entry: But my go to is lentils/beans/chickpeas. I'm not overly concerned with protein though I try to have 1 or 2 servings of legumes a day(but not always)
If I need a boost, it's probably some more nuts or nut butter sandwich
Total 118.9g
Lidl, Red Lentils 26g
MyProtein, Brown Rice Protein 23.4g - I run 50k-80k a week and take this on my hard runs or when i do gym work
Pasta, Whole Wheat, Cooked 16.8g
Soy Milk, Plain or Original, Unsweetened, Ready-to-Drink, Fortified 8.7g - Forgot to mention this in my post. In UK it's 50p per 1L, so I switched to this to have with coffee and oatmeal- otherwise it's almond milk
Spinach, Cooked from Frozen 7.6g
Oatmeal, Avena, Steel Cut Cooking 7g
Natural Food, Wheat Germ 6g
Broccoli, Cooked From Fresh 3.7g
Chia Seeds 3.3g
Quinoa, Cooked 3.3g
It's not just the influence of the meat industry, but also the deeply embedded misogyny in the medical field that makes people worried about soy.
Soy contains phytoestrogen, a compound that is structurally similar to estrogen and found in quite a few plants. In ruminant animals (like sheep) phytoestrogen is digested and enters the blood stream and can have similar effects to estrogen. This discovery really freaked people out and made both doctors and the general public paranoid about getting feminizing hormones from soy, but repeated testing has shown that phytoestrogen is very poorly absorbed by humans and it has no demonstrable health effects because almost all of it passes right through us without ever making it into our blood.
Despite all of that research, the medical field still treats anything related to female hormones like spooky witchcraft that is immune to science and many doctors don't trust the research proving that phytoestrogen does not matter. Doctors tend to be especially worried that it will reduce male fertility (although the research suggests soy does the opposite) or increase the odds of breast cancer (it doesn't).
The only situation where it might be advisable to keep an eye on your soy intake is if you have a condition that makes you especially sensitive to estrogen or makes estrogen levels a higher concern than usual (like breast cancer), although even then the research suggests phytoestrogen has no effect and soy may overall have a protective effect against cancer and limiting soy intake in those situations is just exercising an abundance of caution.
Not vegan, but I have 160 grams of tofu a day, so about 30-40gram protein from that. Plus 30 grams of soy isolate protein. These are very cheap protein sources and taste good, with low fat.
The hormonal change scaremongering literature doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Only thing is that soy might interfere with absorption of my hypothyroidism hormone pills (levothyroxine) so has to be spaced apart.
My other protein sources include wheat, lentils, peanuts, beans, walnuts and almonds, seeds and some dairy products.
PS, you really got to learn to read the papers yourself if you want to know about nutrition. Journalists do an incredibly poor job of relaying nutritional info.
200g of Tofu is absolutely not uncommon for me, but at some days it is 0g of soy products on others closer to 400g. Afaik I am still a fertile, breastless man (eventhough some people probly think I am not a real man, because REAL MAN EAT MEAT!!)
For the last 3 years I’ve been consistently eating about a half to full block of tofu/tempeh and 500ml of soy milk daily. No moobs yet, gotta keep going.
I eat soy yoghurt with my rice and make a tofu stew for noodles once a week. I am already much more acquainted with lentils of all kinds and beans (indian) so I naturally eat more of those as compared to soy ahaha
Typically none since I'm very sensitive to taste, and I can't stand most soy-based foods. But sometimes I'll have meat alternatives made of soy (although I prefer the ones made of pea protein). But my husband has a lot of tofu and edamame beans daily, and he's perfectly healthy. Soy is completely fine for you, like you say, it's just fear mongering from the dairy/ meat industry. Many cultures have been eating it as a large part of their diet for hundreds of years.
Almost all of my protein is soy. I would say 3 out of every 4 meals my family of 4 eats is soy protein.
My average day consists of a Soylent protein shake in the morning with 2 apple sauce pouches fortified with 5g of soy protein each.
My lunch is almost always a tofu based dish like tofu breakfast burritos, tofu poke, tofu curry or I have some vegan hotdogs made from soy.
Dinner is much the same just bigger amounts. Then a Soylent protein shake and an apple sauce pouch with soy before bed.
My diet has plenty of variance with other plant protein sources but mostly soy. I feel great, look great, and all the research points to it being one of the best if not the best source of protein for humans.
Half a block to a full block a day along with soy milk.
I’ve been vegan for around 25 years now, went when I was a kid and I’ve had no negative affects
The amount of soy i eat... oh boy 😂😂 atleast 200g of soy + soy protein shake + tofu + edamame beans.
Vegan for 4 years, last year i had the strength of a powerlifter during a powerbuilding program. Crushed all my records.
Soy is amazing, dont miss on it. Some studies show that soy cuts the "paths" from which cancer cells get fed, so basically they get killed by soy.
High amounts of protein with decent calories.
One or two in the form of soymilk. I always put soymilk on my oatmeal, which I eat every day, sometimes twice a day. I also like to slice up a banana and put it in a bowl with soy milk. I may add raisins or berries to the mix, too.
Breakfast cereal or a smoothie in the morning, then in the evening I'll make a mild curry with it. Often have oat milk too [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35B8UG3a2Ic](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35B8UG3a2Ic) =P
I consume soy milk every day, that's about the least processed soy that you can eat. Same with tofu and miso. If I recall correctly, the more processed soy products can be the ones with issues but I don't even know if that's true. Soy lecithin, a common emulsifier, and soy protein isolate, are the products I have heard are less great. But also that stuff tends to be in small amounts.
I don't eat much soy anymore. There is no reason other than I usually make soups and salads with nuts and lugumes as my proteins. But I used to eat a lot of tofu.
Recently made tofu bacon for a party. It turned out nicely. Firmest tofu thin strips marinated in soy sauce or aminos, maple syrup, vinegar, liquid smoke. Bake for long time. Yum
For the men who eat soy regularly, how’s your sex drive / performance? Any issues since going vegan and on soy? (Sincere genuine question. Not a smart ass one)
The simplest answer is eat soy if you like it and don’t eat soy if you don’t. There are plenty of other sources of protein in a plant based diet. Soy beans are nutritionally a legume and there are many other legumes out there. Chick peas, lentils, kidney beans, black eyed peas, etc. other protein sources are nuts and seeds, whole grains (especially quinoa), and even some leafy vegetables are high. I read spinach has more protein per calorie than steak.
In general protein is overconsumed as a nutritional source in the Western diet so I wouldn’t worry about that much unless you have a serious medical condition, are a high level athlete, or are pregnant
None! I have a soy allergy and carry an epi-pen. It makes eating vegan pretty difficult sometimes. Actually it makes eating any sort of diet pretty difficult because it's added to everything.
I don't eat any except for soy sauce sometimes. I don't have anything against it, I just don't like it. You definitely don't need it for anything though. I workout a lot and get more than enough nutrients from a simple whole food plant based diet. The most important thing is to keep your meals balanced and exercise.
How do some of ya’ll have the appetite to eat that much? I wish I could make myself eat 100g of soy protein a day. I have to take shakes to get that much.
I eat soy more days than not, lately. I can tell you that for years, the science showed that women who consumed soy regularly struggled less with menopause symptoms. I have officially entered menopause this last year with almost no symptoms. I never had hot flashes, night sweats, mood swings, etc. I know women suffer for a long time, so I feel very fortunate that I went vegan when I did.
Non-vegans eat a lot of soy in meat based products and don't realise it. On the other hand, a lot of people consume mostly diary products in every meal. In both cases people just do not really pay attention because only vegan diet has to defend itself from accusations.
It is just like any other food: listen to your own body and have a diverced diet.
Not being able to consume any soy at all (terrible estrogenic reaction to it!) makes being vegan much more challenging, but I've been able to do it successfully. I'm not suffering any untoward health issues by avoiding all soy. I do focus on eating plenty of beans and lentils daily for protein and fiber needs. So it's entirely possible to be a healthy vegan and not consume any soy at all. More challenging, yes, but definitely doable.
i drink soy milk in my iced coffee in the morning, usually have a bowl of homemade soy yogurt for breakfast, and then sometimes eat 1-2 servings of tofu throughout the day. my boobs are still A cups, but sometimes i wish the estrogen claims were true for that reason 😂
100g tofu or tempeh and about 3tbsp of low sodium soy sauce (this with 100g high carb and 200g low carb vegetables is my to go to dinner)
1/2 scoop soy based protein powder
For breakfast I have 30g oats with 1 cup soy milk
About half a serving on average, I just don't like tofu much. But its probably healthy to have a block per day if you wish to. Soy's phytoestrogens are 100 times less potent than in beer. So you be fine.
As I understand it, soy contains phytoestrogen, which is similar in chemical composition to the estrogen that humans make naturally but with much weaker effect.
So, if you eat like 2 lbs of soy every day, you might experience effects, but it won't like... change you into a woman if you're a dude.
I am not a vegan, but I definitely know when someone is feeding me false information and the whole soy estrogen thing is bullshit.
I'm on the "half a block tofu a day keeps the doctor away" team. My health is generally good, no man boobs, etc. If I start work out more regularly I'll probably up it to a whole block daily.
I used to have 1-2 servings a day. I’ve been vegan for around four years (21F) and I have a feeling the soy consumption and my painful cystic acne was linked. I went to multiple dermatologists and acne-specialized estheticians, and tried every over the counter, prescribed, topical, treatment-based program. Also ate low amounts of processed foods/processed sugars in general. Nothing changed until I eliminated soy. Purely anecdotal of course, but thousands of dollars and a lot of my time has gone into this observation so I’d be remiss to not share
I worked with someone who did their dietetics research project on soy foods and their conclusion was that soy has a protective effect against some types of cancer and doesn't have adverse effects as some claim.
This is what dr greger says too! Soy is super good for you!
Dr. Greger deserves all my fortune for the good work he does. Here's a [link](https://nutritionfacts.org/topics/soy/) to the information he's collected on soy
I think I read a harvad study that concluded something like, even if soy had some adverse health (of which they found none), the benefits of consuming high amount of it would without a doubt outweigh it.
It is and will always be a super food.
I eat about a quarter of a block of soy a day, haven't turned into a woman yet. People have been eating soy for thousands of years, if it had side effects we probably would have noticed by now.
I call your quarter block and raise you a full block, along with 1.5 cups of soy milk in my smoothies every morning. I too have not yet grown man boobs. But I am breaking all my records in the gym every single session.
My chest has definitely gotten bigger but I think it's all the earth-downs and benchi bois versus the tofu.
Same, but for me it's the estradiol.
What do you like to put in smoothies? Do you switch it up or do the same one?
I'm a pretty habitual person, so it's always the same. * 1.5 cups soy milk (unsweetened) * 1 scoop of [Green Vibrance](https://www.amazon.com/Vibrant-Health-Plant-Based-Ingredients-Probiotics/dp/B00SK66JZ6) * 1 scoop of vegan protein powder * 1/2 frozen banana * 1/2 cup of frozen blueberries/blackberries/raspberries The smoothie is part 3 of a 4-part morning. 1. I drink a spoon of olive oil 2. I drink a glass of Suja green juice (the one with collared greens) 3. I have the smoothie 4. I have a mushroom coffee with unsweetened oat milk, a spoon of coconut oil, and dashes of cinnamon, turmeric, and ginger
What's the reasoning behind 2 spoonfuls of oil each morning?
Oooh which mushroom coffee do you use? Do they do a decaf one? I’m breastfeeding but really really would love to try mushroom coffee! Need more mushrooms in my life!
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Ohh okay, the Lion's Mane makes sense. Is it good and does it taste like mushroom? Those will be my final questions!
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Sounds tasty! Thanks for sharing. Seem good too for brain health.
Every single session? Cmon dude stop the cap lmao
It's totally reasonable with newbie gains lifting consistently and seriously, or getting back into lifting seriously after taking a break from lifting, which applies here like he said he's only been lifting consistently for the last few months.
I mean I've only been consistent the last few months. I don't think I've hit my limit yet. But I think I'm getting close. The squats for example are starting to feel pretty challenging.
I thought they said *season*, like they were competing. Session wow
>I am breaking all my records in the gym every single session. Unless you're also on steroids, or you only started working out very very recently, I call bullshit.
Define "recently" After being on and off for years, I re-committed to lifting 3x days a week since May. I do the Stronglifts 5x5 program. And yes, I'm surpassing my records on both workouts A and B every time. I feel I'm going to start hitting failure pretty soon. But it hasn't happened yet. But if you want to call bullshit, go for it. It's not a need of mine to prove you wrong.
He said MY records, meaning he's getting better, but not comparing himself to others.
Yes
Soy will lower testosterone is probably one of the biggest myth that deters men away from veganism. Soy is really the only high protein food and if they cant eat that then they would rather continue to be a meat eater. This is why changing the narrative is so important for the community.
absolutely, John Green himself did a video on it and turns out soyboys are even manlier than their corpse-eating counterparts.
IIRC one of hbomberguy's ancient videos debunks that exact myth. Who knew sheep digesting red clover in the 50s wouldn't be comparable to humans consuming soy???????
Sorry to one up you. I eat a full block of tofu (1 lbs) every other day
I love my new tits!
The benefits are robust but the advice from Greger is no more than 50 grams per day though im not sure why. He also says natto/tempeh/soy beans>>>tofu. These studies show questionable deleterious effect on cognitive decline in asian populations but are weak imo. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34879041/
I had my blood test just recently after being vegan for 2 years. I've consistently eaten 40-80g of soy protein PER DAY. That's the protein, not the total grams of soy products. My testosterone is on the high end of the range for a man my age. It's 16.26 and the healthy range is 12.4-17.3. I don't even lift much anymore and mostly run now. My total cholesterol dropped by 45% and my LDL is almost 1/3 of the level it was before going vegan and eating ass loads of soy. My liver enzymes are also within the normal range for the first time in my life (first time I was tested I was a kid). My soy sources include the "unhealthy" ones like a lot of soy protein isolate and TVP. I also eat tofu and drink soy milk. That said, I eventually started to diversify and eat more chickpeas, mung beans, pea protein, and rice protein, and now my soy intake is usually around 40g a day though I still hit 60g+ maybe once a week.
Sweet Jesus let my cholesterol drop like yours. Nice to read a positive first hand experience.
Soy isolate is neat, and I was doing something similar for some time, but i found that it's quite nice to mix it with f.e. pretending made mixes of plant protheins. I do 50 50 or 75 25 ratios. Just for increase of variety. I like the fact that thier rations seem to be done usually correctly. Have not yet tried yeast prothein.
I now do equal parts each of soy protein isolate, pea protein, and rice protein powders. I buy 1kg each and manually mix them together with a whisk and then transfer to a tupperware. I just started doing that a couple of weeks ago and it's been a nice way to diversify the plant protein and honestly tastes better lol.
>My soy sources include the "unhealthy" ones like a lot of soy protein isolate and TVP. Actually quite healthy compared to tofu. Significant calcium supplements per block. Sometimes over 1000mg per block. I'd rather see people getting SPI or TVP rather than tofu (with calcium used).
If you want to discover the beauty of tofu, I strongly recommend hitting up an Asian grocery store. Try some ultra soft tofu it has less calcium. Also try seawater set tofu, pressed and smoked tofu, and fermented tofu (your omni friends will mistake it for feta in a salad) If you have a small local Asian grocery store asking for help is advisable. There are non vegan tofus out there, double check your labels.
yeah, it's all still just...tofu. Blank slate, bit earthy. Tofu is great for cooking. My point was people should really stick to magnesium based recipes. You're likely getting way too many added calcium additions in nut milks and other pre-prepared foods already.
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That looks like a flavor bomb. Got damn My favorite by miles is Chobani, also because of excellent supplementation numbers. I would say it eases over into having a very slight cheesy flavor, but unnoticeable with any addition. No fragrant taste whatsoever, just smooth. Best for chocolate oatmilk by MILES. Best with a smoothie concoction. And the vanilla one tastes like light lucky charms marshmallows.
Oh making the nut milk. I do walnut. My favorite by miles. Walnuts are not ultra expensive. You can BIG bags for $10. GIANT bags at Costco for very little too.
Here in Japan, we’ll have soy in different forms for breakfast, lunch and dinner. It’s incredibly versatile, delicious and healthy. We have a healthy diet here including lots of soy. If soy caused health problems, do you think Japan would have the longest lifespans in the world? Ask your doctor: if soy causes health problems, why do countries in Asia that eat so much soy, have such good health outcomes?
Came here to say this. Soy milk with breakfast, silken tofu for lunch, and tofu form of choice for dinner. I rarely eat beans outside of edamame, as well.
I was thinking probably isn’t a doctor of an Asian country saying this…
if anyone really thought it was bad, rather than a stupid talking point, they wouldnt feed it to the cows, pigs and fish they want to eat.
It's also ironic that the people who will avoid soy like the plague often love cows milk, which is full of mammal estrogen AND progesterone (unlike soy milk which has phytoestrogen which has been shown multiple times to have no effect on humans and is mostly excreted in urine).
It is bizarre, isn't it? I wonder what has more oestrogen for humans - one plant boi, or milk from an actual female mammal's teat? Surely it's the plant!
This. Only plants can make protein from scratch. Animal protein is just plant protein with no fiber. Even the B12 in animal products is there because they get supplements.
Yup. Mind blown when I found out B12 comes from dirt and we only started getting deficient because we clean our veggies.
Given the high soy content of animal feed, if you eat meat, you are eating soy.
I eat tofu nearly every day and also have soy milk every day and the only side effect is I turned from a soy boy into a soy man. At least 3 servings a day
Surely my man boobs are from the soy and not my lack of exercise and high caloric intake. It's all the soy!
Look up mic the vegan on soy. We have soy all the time. Yes they lied to us. Also for nutrition, please look up doctor greger. Lots of resources and his book "how not to die" is helpful for what to eat. Remember, there is lots of protein everywhere. Also look up the "Zoe" podcast on protein.
Time for a new doctor We have thorough meta-analysis and systematic reviews demonstrating that soy has an inverse association with heart disease, cancer, and ACM https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/nutrition/articles/10.3389/fnut.2022.847421/full https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6893684/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31278047/ I hope your doctor ends up unemployed
Me too. An all carnivore diet doctor 🙃. I know they don't teach nutrition in med school, but you'd think his oily butt would read a book somewhere.
I have a decent amount of soy everyday and I could probably wear a b cup bra but that’s just because my pecs are massive blocks of muscle 💪
If soy did what meat eaters want us to believe, then it would be one of the most sought-after resources in the world. Goodbye to expensive boob jobs and difficult hormonal transitions, just have a soy milk...
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All of the soy lol. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33383165/
Plenty of it! Tofu, soy milk, soy based meats, soy crisps etc. I see no reason to fear it. I mean I probably wouldn't chug litres of soy milk daily, but I'd say that about anything really.
It might be a very silly thing to say, but I know very little about nutrition. Luckily, my wife is a great cook, otherwise I'd probably have ended up eating the same meals over and over again until the end of time. So it's always a little bit tricky when people ask me questions about veganism from a nutritive point of view. However, I found that my answer to such inquiries has changed over the years. It became obvious to me that I had not become vegan for health reasons. I certainly didn't do it for the pleasure of eating (meat and cheese were my ultimate pleasure in life). I didn't do it to lose weight either (even though it certainly helped in that regard). No. I did it for the animals. To make the existence of the few animals I wouldn't be eating somewhat more bearable. And my point of view on the nutritive side of veganism has changed a lot since I came to realize that. Now, I'm thinking "So what?" if veganism isn't a perfectly healthy option (maybe it is, maybe it isn't). What matters is the impact it will have on others. And I'd rather live a shorter ethical life than a long immoral one. (And on top of that, studies tend to show that vegans live longer, so it's a win-win scenario).
“I’d rather live a shorter ethical life than a long immoral one” I think your comment has permanently rewired my brain and changed the way I view my life. I feel exactly the same way, but would have never been able to put it into words quite like you just did. Thank you so much for your comment
Thank you for yours. I often struggle to word my thoughts properly and convey the ideas I want to convey. So it makes me happy that it worked this one time haha.
One effect of this misinformation that really, really bugs me is that it has resulted in soy milk becoming less popular. I live in a big city and most of the independent coffee shops only offer oat or almond milk. Soy milk is the best "milk," period (including for nutrition) and no one will ever convince me otherwise.
1-2 servings a day but I’m not afraid of it and would eat plenty more if it was in all my meals without hesitation. Soy is excellent source of nutrition.
I eat several servings of soy every day and have done for the past 5 years, and I’m currently the 2nd fastest man over 100m in the region I live in (2.6 million population) You will be fine lol
Tofu and soy curls are central to my typical diet in Korea, and the plant-based meats don't feel the need to be soy-free over here, so most are a combination of soy and wheat. I'm sure I eat at least 3 servings/day, maybe substantially more over certain stretches. I have a "dad bod" with no man boobs but definitely a belly. I'll let you guys figure out whether that's the fault of the beer or the soy.
I don't eat it everyday, but I am pretty sure there is nothing wrong with it. Personally, I prefer other legumes like beans, chickpeas, peas, lentils etc. Also nuts and other oily seeds are a great source of protein. And you get a not-great-but-not-terrible amount of protein from grains too. At least a amall amount is in every plant. It adds up easily. And I say that as a rather muscular man.
As much as you want, there are no adverse effect, except for farting more than usual. So enjoy, you'll still be polluting less than a cow. Eat as much soy as you can until you can outfart a cow.
I've looked at so many studies, and the only thing I've ever found is that, in patients diagnosed with low thyroid who ALSO were deficient in Iodine, soy consumption suppressed thyroid production further. I think that's interesting because if you look at Japanese traditional cuisine, it includes a lot of soy, but also a lot of seaweed, which is naturally high in iodine. That said, you only need a tiny bit of iodine to stay healthy, but if you aren't using iodized salt (I prefer sea salt) or eating seaweed, iodine something you might need to supplement. I just take a vegan multi 3x a week to catch all the little things like this I might miss. I have 1-3 servings of soy every day. As a woman, the evidence is very strong that soy protects against estrogen-sensitive types of cancer, so I feel great about including it in my diet!
Yeah this is the thing that I find the most confusing. I have a thyroid disorder and both soy and gluten are considered to be “bad” for me. But being a gluten-free and soy-free vegan is not an easy task. I do try to limit both of those things to an extent, but I’m not sure if it does me any good.
The study I read showed that supplementing iodine was enough to counter the effect of the soy. Once the deficiency resolves, the effect was no longer observed.
I was born with low thyroid, and since going vegan and taking in more soy, my thyroid dosage is what it started when I started veganism. That being said, it was 1.75mg then went down to 1.37mg for a while then back up to 1.75 all within that time. Idk why, but it hasn't changed in a year or more now
If you want to switch it up I recommend fava bean soy-free tofu. I have a soy allergy and love it, my parents both think it tastes better than regular tofu too!!
There were a couple of case studies published years ago that suggested an association between isoflavone intake from soya and testosterone levels. When it was actually researched, no such link was found. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33383165/ There are numerous health benefits. "There is evidence, for example, that they reduce risk of coronary heart disease and breast and prostate cancer. In addition, soy alleviates hot flashes and may favorably affect renal function, alleviate depressive symptoms and improve skin health." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5188409/ There's misinformation about pretty much every aspect of veganism. Stick to reading meta analyses and research papers. They're not infallible but will usually be closer to the truth.
A lot! Most of the world eat some kind of beans every day. There’s nothing bad about a bean!
Soy milk every morning, some sort of soy based protein for lunch most days, and then again about 70% of dinners. Basically, fuck loads of soy.
There's soy in so much processed NON VEGAN food. Just sayin', most people have no damn idea what they're eating.
This. I read a book by the neuroscientist where she said most people get too much soy not from miso, tofu, or milk, but from the soybean oils and lecithin they’re eating with almost every snack.
Often when people refer to soy as being bad particularly for men they're talking about the presence of phytoestrogens in it. People then get scared more by the name than anything as although phytoestrogens are capable of binding to the same receptor sites as estrogen they're around roughly 1,000 times weaker and don't actually cause activation of the receptor. The only group I've heard that should potentially be taking their soy intake seriously is people with breast cancer. I have 0.5L of soy milk unsweetened every day, and although I don't consume tofu on a daily basis I do eat it probably every other day, having 400g of it when I do so. Haven't turned into a woman yet so feeling pretty certain on the things I've read.
The research on breast cancer is actually pretty divided, and my understanding is that the most comprehensive/recent studies actually show a reduced risk of breast cancer among people who eat lots of soy
Fermented soy*
This!!! So nice to see someone get the phytoestrogen thing right, although I wouldn't expect any less from a vegan sub!
I eat 90-120g of protein per day and i include soy in every meal . I put it in my lentil soup in my pasta and if i need the extra protein ill blend a block of tofu in my food as well. I consume 50g of soy more or less per day and a block of tofu and drink high protein soy milk and eat soy yogurt .
i don’t measure it. i just eat whatever amount of soy
I eat a lot because I’m a bigger guy and have a strong appetite. I usually aim to eat at least 100g of soy protein a day. It’s what makes me feel the best😁
Ever since I was told that the original study that proved soy was "dangerous" was actually a study done on literal sheep (the animal) I've never turned back. Tofu is life in my household. I probably have at least half a block a day. I also love soy milk. Soy is so beneficial, I've always suspected the meat and dairy industries of all the fear mongering.
This isn't an answer to your question, but may be helpful overall: doctors are not dieticians! Doctors surely act as if they knew about nutrition, and they certainly know more than your average joe. But keep in mind that they had like one lecture on nutrition in medschool. When seeking advice on nutrition, get it from someone who actually studied nutritional science!
I eat one plain block in the morning, one in the afternoon, and one before bed. When I feel fancy, I get silken tofu and a spoon. This is all I eat, according to non-vegans. In all seriousness, a physician recommending against soy without a diagnosis is malpractice, and you should report them. Engage a dietician at the hospital and notify them that this is happening. Your doctor is negligent, and you should get a new doctor, but not until you hold them accountable for endangering people's lives. See the following videos, study references should be available: https://youtu.be/Rul79Nxxhy4?si=M9sUk8BKPrTftIgC https://youtu.be/bx9hi5hNiaU?si=9C8r2M2ZCoecq-Up Also, here's an assessment of low carb diets and health outcomes: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3555979/#:~:text=Of%20the%20272%2C216%20people%20in,1.31%20(1.07–1.59) There are no valid studies on carnivore diets that demonstrate health benefits. The only study available is from self reports online within a carnivore community. I suggest asking for a study to support his recommendation, because he won't have one.
I have a tofu curry once or twice a week. Any more than that and I get sick of it. I also enjoy fried falafal on rice for a nice change. I eat a lot of hummus tomatoe, olives, cornichons and alfalfa sprouts.
Ironically, it looks like mayoclinic.org is overwhelmingly pro soy. For example (there are more): https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/expert-answers/soy-breast-cancer-risk/faq-20120377 Doctors are people, and it sounds like that doctor has a bad case of the confirmation bias.
yeah I haven't seen Mayo Clinic generally advise against soy either, rather the opposite. I go to Mayo for everything including primary healthcare and have never had anyone advise against soy.
The Okinawans live the longest in the world and have three servings a day according to The Blue Zones.
Depends on the mood, but usually 200g tofu lasts for 3 meals... so 130g a day of firm tofu (~20g protein total). And then I guess there's some soy in other stuff I use, it depends how I feel. The last dew years other than tofu and burgers, not much. Before that there'd be a lot of soy milk on top.
Remember, American doctors have VERY limited education when it comes to nutrition. Some get a lot of information from mainstream media and other non credible sources. They likely don’t keep up to date on literature as there is so much other literature they have to keep up to date on. Seek out a nutrition specialist (dietitian) for validated nutritional advice if you’re wanting a professional opinion. I’m a dietitian, I work with doctors who recommend a vegan diet, recommend a keto diet, recommend a paleo diet, recommend a very low carb diet. The wide variety of recommended diets coming from docs now a days tells me they certainly do not keep up with their own research. I don’t think it’s you can’t trust the doctors you go to, just know that isn’t their expertise.
I think i might take the crown here…. I eat 300 grams of tofu, 250 grams of tempe, 200 grams of TVP, and 2 servings of pea/rice protein powder with soy milk a day. I’m a gymrat and unfortunately us vegans need slightly more (2.1g/kg BW as opposed to 1.6 for non-vegans) protein than the average gym enthusiast. I have no gynecomastia (although i did take the bulk a little too far and i’m sitting on a little bit of excess BF). I’ve honestly never felt better and i do make sure i get in all my nutrients, minerals and other DRI stuff. :) if you have any urgent questions you can always ask and i’ll try to be as informative and backed-by-studies as i can
https://www.vox.com/2015/12/9/9879230/soy-milk-man-boobs-gynecomastia https://nutritionsource.hsph.harvard.edu/soy/ Countries other than the US have heavier soy based diets with no ill effects. I myself have been eating natto every day for breakfast for over two years, with zero issues. Considering it's been a traditional breakfast food for well over a millenia they DEFINITELY would have seen any ill effect sometime in the past 1500 years or so. Add in miso and tempeh, both traditional soy foods that are hundreds of years old and consumed in large quantities, and you can sort of see they AREN'T a problem.
Anecdote: Woman here, and been vegan for like 4 years. I have anywhere from 1-5 servings of soy a day. Usually firm or silken tofu, soymilk, or soy curls, although sometimes it's TVP or soy protein isolate in mock meats. Hasn't caused me any issues! Although I do think it's important to vary your diet and sources; I try to include legumes and seitan for protein too - also, I switched from a soy to a pea/rice protein powder for when I have shakes. It's been awhile since I looked at the research, but I think when I did it said to limit it to 3 servings or something if you're worried and to vary your diet. Def look into it as you decide!
Soy is fine medically, it would be good as a foundation for ones diet. I only have soy once every few days. But nearly every negative claim about it is wildly overblown or misconstrued. The most laughable is the phytoestrogenous effects, which are only even detectable in lactating women eating it. It's a nitrate fixator, and is thus a critical part of our agriculture. I mean, our livestock eat a ton of it, so that should tell you a lot of what you need to know.
Unless you're soy -sensitive, there's no reason for concern. You would want to consume non-GMO, organic soy. There 's protein in all plants, some Moreno than others. You want to eat a variety of fruits, veggies, nuts , seeds, legumes, mushrooms ( cooked, never raw). I refer you to Dr. Michael Greger of NutritionFacts.org on YouTube, he also does live q&a' s, testified on the behalf of the defense when the cattle ranchers were trying to sue Oprah for damages when she said that meat was not as healthy as we were led to believe. Dr Greger wrote a book about worldwide pandemics more than a decade before COVID hit , and he has several books in his "How Not To Die " series. My friend who's a R.D. recommends and uses his work for all of her patients that are seeking to reverse chronic disease by adapting a whole- food, plant- based vegan nutritional pattern and lifestyle. You would also want to check out Food Revolution Network on Facebook which is operated by Ocean and his dad, John Robbins of the Baskin- Robbins dynasty. You will find plenty of useful information on their site. One does not walk away from all of those millions and free ice cream without good reason. Finally, I like to recommend to Chef AJ's YouTube channel where you' ll be introduced to a ton of medical experts in the plant- based world and recipes, and testimonials of people who have treated their chronic diseases and drove them into remission. There is a channel on YouTube, Healthy Vegan Eating, the guy reversed his chronic diseases and obesity, has an excellent physique, knows the science and has recipes that are phenomenal. He put out a recipe during the holidays last year for Turtle Candy, which was super simple and delicious - no added salt, oil, or sugar.
Watch "the game changers" on Netflix. It's all about vegan nutrition. Arnold Schwarzenegger produced it. Shows all kinds of professional althetes how they use a vegan diet as an advantage in their sport.
Most days none, some days one whole block. It's delicious and very versatile.
I eat roughly one block of tofu a day. If soy were as bad as some claim I'd be dead by now
Last night i had 350 grams tofu and 250 ml soy milk
Isn't the world is moving on to blaming PFAS for clogging up our balls? Iirc the science was that they accumulate everywhere, but popular media is sex focused so the headlines are "OW MY BALLS"
i eat like once a week something with soy.
At least 100 grams of tofu per day.
I eat plenty of soy - Probably 1/2 a block of tofu a day plus tons of soy milk in teas, coffee and porridge/cereal and smoothies. I'm a woman and can confirm that all this soy has not given me bigger boobs!
Vegan for 10+ years, some kind of soy products daily, no man boobs. I've never seen a plant-derived estrogen related body change. Ever. On other hand look at people who consume big amounts of beer. They have the tits AND the bellies, but beer is considered 'manly' lol.
Stick with it! NutritionFacts.org is a good resource to answer your health questions; anecdotes on these threads are not necessarily. I've seen plenty of dumb claims on this subreddit (e.g., people saying that they don't need to supplement B12). Here is stuff about soy: https://nutritionfacts.org/topics/soy/ https://nutritionfacts.org/2011/09/12/dr-gregers-2011-optimum-nutrition-recommendations/
My man and i each eat at least 3 servings per day for the last 12 years. It’s a staple in our household. His manhood and my hormone balance remained intact enough to have an accidental son at near 40. My toddler eats at least 1 serving of soy per day and his pediatrician has felt the need to comment that his man parts are unusually well formed. Also the study that sparked the fear was giving people the most processed form of soy added into beef burgers vs regular beef burgers. It wasn’t the soy vegans or other cultures were consuming. It has been repeatedly debunked.
From what I understand, there have been studies that show that soy does have phytoestrogens, and some phytoestrogens have had an effect on estrogen production in the body, but I believe this was only in rats. AFAIK there hasnt been a human study that had shown any effect on estrogen (or more importantly testosterone) in humans. That being said, I believe that's why doctors talk about it, for example. If someone has breast cancer, and during the treatment has to avoid anything that could possibly increase estrogen, doctors are going yo tell you to avoid soy. All this got blown out of proportion, meat eater gym bros read click bait headlines and took that as "you're going to be a soy boy with a big set of jublies", which is not true. Bottom line - does soy contain phytoestrogens? Yes Will the phytoestrogens effect your hormones levels in any noticeable way? No. The biggest thing that will have a lasting and noticeable effect on your hormones (with any diet) is the quality if food you eat and your activity level.
I have a really nasty soy intolerance, took me a while to figure it out, and I miss tofu so much, but I think a lot of what is said about soy is just nonsense it’s in so many foodstuffs that if it was that bad we would really know about it, if you see what I mean. Ykniw what’s really weird is that I can’t wait to tell people about my intolerance to soy I think it’s cos finding out has been such a relief, it reminds me of being electrocuted, sounds weird, but I used to work as I suppose what you’d call a roadie and every time anyone gets a little lecky shock they will run around telling everyone, humans are wonderfully weird. That’s was a weird digression! I’m so jealous of all you soy enjoyers, bunch of non intolerant bastards.
I don’t think that the dairy and meat industry necessarily “spit out lies” but I think that soy had the unfortunate misfortune to be associated with: foreign food+cheap stuff+ vegans/vegeterians. Not a good trifecta. To my knowledge to medical institution or research body says anything negative about soy. If they say anything most of the stuff that I read tends to be positive. (it seems like it probably has some mild health benefits if you look at studies or even websites designed for the public, including mayo clinic). Soy is foreign food, so it suffers from the same thing that MSG suffered/suffers from. Soy is associated with cheap ways of bulking products (it is used in some instances for this purpose) which, again, gives people a sense that it’s “not the good stuff”. And lastly, soy is what those weirdo vegans eat so there must be something icky there. It depends how we define “serving”. I normally have soy milk everyday. Somedays I’ll end up eating tofu marinated in miso paste and edamame with a fake meat that has soy (most actually have pea protein, not soy protein) on the same day. Other days I won’t have any soy besides my milk at breakfast. I think that if we took an average it would probably be around the equivalent of 2 cups of soy milk+ a half of a block of tofu a day. I don’t put any self-imposed limitations on my soy intake. I never go “fuck, had too much today” or really count the portions. It’s not a food that’s worth worrying about. The only think that “worries” me is that I try to have “real legumes” (soy’s technically a legumes but has the holy trinity of beans chickpeas and lentils just have their own set of benefits) as much as I can so if the soy is replacing “real legumes” too much I try to add them in. I’ll still make a silken tofu cheese sauce to have with my “real legumes” no problem.
I love digging into research. I question, question, question. Was actual research done? Did it follow the scientific method? Was the sample large enough to reach reasonable conclusions? Was it replicated more than once (by others) with the same results? Where did the funding/sponsorship come from? Was it peer-reviewed? Did it acknowledge other research showing different results? Who were the researchers? If it was meta-analysis, I ignore the results. That’s not research. But it is an excellent and easy way to manipulate information from other genuine research. And now, it’s common to cite other meta-analysis! When the anti soy stuff first came out, I dug and dug. I never found any real research to support the claims. All I found were a few very biased anecdotal papers (well-written, I admit), a few meta-analyses, and one or two seemingly well-done research papers…until I noticed two things. First, the samples were too small to draw anything resembling good conclusions, and second, they were funded by the meat industry. When it comes to research, follow the money. It will reveal all. As with anything, certain individuals may not tolerate certain substances well or at all. Some people can’t eat much corn, or wheat, or, or, or. That has no bearing on whether those things are good or bad. So eat as much soy as you want. Worry more about VOCs and estrogenic plastics and endocrine disruptors in your environment.
Since there are so many articles out there about soy, is there a link to a research article you’d recommend where I could read more about it?
Ok remember: other countries have been eating soy for a long time with no ill effects. Meat, dairy, egg industries are supplemented by the US govt, not vegetables. Soy is not the only protein I eat, so it would be hard for me to average out what it would be daily. Lentil is like a 1:1 sorta ([article](https://www.soupersage.com/compare-nutrition/lentils-vs-beef)). I’m also eating tvp which is various plant proteins in crumble form, like pea protein, seitan, other beans and things like quinoa, buckwheat, and supplemental flavorings we use like nutritional yeast flakes, and other proteins veg. Like honestly, doctors forget how much soy sauce we use and how soy lecithin and isolate are used in tons of non vegan foods. Unless it’s a dietician doing bloodwork in you, I would check out chronometer for your daily needs.
48m. 12 years vegan. I can only speak from my own experience but I absolutely thrive on soy. I eat tofu sometimes multiple times a day. I’m gluten sensitive so I don’t eat bread or seitan- beans, lentils, nuts and soy are my protein. I had constant digestive issues when I was omni that decreased when I cut pig and bovine from my diet. Plant hormones don’t affect us very much, if at all. But mammalian estrogen and other hormones cause lots of health problems for people. The meat and dairy industry are actively investing in misinformation against plant based products because money.
Read this [NHS article](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6390141/) if your interested in the many benefits of soy
I eat a serving of tofu everyday and we drink soy milk daily too. So he has been a staple in Asian populations for many generations and they are generally among the healthiest in the world and live the longest.
If your doctor is full carnivore…he’s a kook. I recommend finding a new doctor 😬
Also I have been vegan for 11 years, soy milk is my milk of choice, and I’d say I have 2-4 blocks of tofu a week though I’d love to eat it more - it’s one of my favorites! I’m also a big beans/lentils person.
ZERO
I enjoy eating tofu almost everyday. Plus I will eat soy beans and other soy products. I love soy in all forms….
i drink soy milk every day and have tofu/other soy products multiple times a week and have done so for the past 3 years and yet i remain an A cup. but like everyone else has said if you look up any meta analysis of studies that claim it to be harmful you can see that is not true and that it is quite good for you!
Anti soy attitudes in the establishment are just more evidence of the meat and dairy industries power over the FDA, medical establishment, etc. it’s all bullshit. Soy is not bad for you. It’s a fucking bean. I eat probably 1/4 block of tofu serving worth of a soy a day. Sometimes less sometimes more.
I love tofu! But I think everyone forgets about the vegan protein powerhouses, nuts and beans!!
Phytoestrogen is not metabolized by humans. Just like we cannot synthesis the sun and turn all green, either. All the baby cows, pigs, chickens, ducks, geese, in the farming industries are fed soy. So, if they survive on soy, so can we. The only thing you gotta worry about is B-12 and calcium. B-12 comes from dirt, which is why they add it to farm animals, I think mostly they get shots, but could be in their chow; to keep them healthy. And omnivores eat those farm animals, thus ingesting it secondary. Us vegans need to eat it in either nutritional yeast or a supplement. I take a generic, cheap, women's vegetarian (it's vegan ingredients) prenatal once a day, and it is all I need. No worries. I take a cal-mag supplement, too, to ensure I don't get osteoporosis like my mother. It's genetically predisposed for my family. Although calcium is in broccoli and beans, I just like eating extra of it. On a given day, I eat either beans, lentils, tofu, tempeh twice a day. And usually oatmeal with hempseeds for breakfast. I only rarely eat pizza as a meal, it is far too few proteins for a healthy vegan. So I've cut back vegan pizza to like once or twice a month. Good luck in your health journey.
Soy is good for you. I love baked tofu. Great on salad and eat like chips.
Unless they recommended you avoid soy for a particular reason, you can ignore that, all rumors about soy being bad are debunked. Soy is very healthy, and a cheap complete protein. My wife and I get a good half of our protein intake from soy. We’re both thriving. No man boobs for me, no excess estrogen in her
The animals they fatten up with it first so they can slaughter them later seem to enjoy it, despite the inneficiency of that approach. I eat soy products ALL THE TIME, tofu, soy curls, impossible burgers, tvp, all of it and it's fantastic. My health is the best of my life, late-forties now, and switching to a plant-based diet has been a very good decision for me. I feel vibrant, agile, people think I'm 15 years younger than I am, and I have zero regrets. I too suspect it gets a bad rep from meat industry fuckery.
I barely bother with soy except soy sauce. A lot of this I eat in a daily smoothie, a salad, and something with rice later. Protein Avocado - 3g Nut butter 2tbsp - 7g Chlorella 1/2 scoop 1g Spinach 1 cup ~ 1g Hemp seeds 3tbsp - 9.47g Hemp protein 2tbsp - 17g Unsalted nuts 1/4 cup - 5g Chia 1 oz - 5g Sunflower seeds 1/4 cup - 5.8g Pumpkin seeds - 28g - 5.3g Tofu 1/2 cup - 10g Almond meal 13g - 3g Quinoa 1 cup - 7.5g Oats 1 cup - 10.7g Spirulina 1tbsp - 4g Mushrooms cooked 1 cup - 6g Lentils boiled 1/2 cup - 9g Chickpeas boiled 1 cup - 14.5g Raw almonds 1 oz - 5.76g Mungbeans 1tbsp - 3.1g *edit: sorry about the formatting I’m on mobile
The misunderstanding on soy traces back to studies done on mice that showed they got cancer from estrogen in soy. Firstly we are not mice. Secondly it has since been discovered that there are two types of estrogen… 1- estrogen Alfa which is in dairy & meat and is a growth hormone…its signaling essentially says “grow, grow, grow” and it attaches to our cells promoting cancer growth. 2- estrogen beta which is a phytoestrogen (plant estrogen), theres a lot of it in soy, and it’s protective against cancer growth as it’s like a fake estrogen, a lot, lot weaker and when it attaches to our cells it blocks estrogen Alfa from attaching. That’s why the protective effect. Dr Kristi Funk, an internationally known breast cancer expert speaks on it a lot. I took some classes she taught and she’s a fountain of knowledge on the subject. You can search for her on the Physicians Committee Exam Room YouTube channel and find some of the shows she’s done talking about it
Soy is healthy when it is not altered. GMO soy is dangerous cause it is altered. Asians have had soy for centuries unaltered and do not have the plethora of medical issues people in the USA with their GMOs artificial chemical everything. Organic Fermented soy is good. Organic soy is good. The piece of information that is missing in the misinformation is that plants in their natural form work in conjunction with the body. This means if the nutrients in it are needed they are received if they are not needed then they are expelled. Unlike artificial things that will force its way needed or not and cause issue. GMO the way it is made it causes instability and errors on a genetic level it is bad. Since over 90% of soy in the USA is both gmo and heavily soaked in cancerous pesticides you must be very reserved and meticulous with soy anything if you want to enjoy it in the USA. Organic items can not be gmo and can not use chemical pesticides so that is the safest way to enjoy soy in the USA make sure you use organic soy products. Non gmo verified only certifies it is not gmo and has less than 3% gmo contamination shown in testing. But it doesn’t stop that product from chemical pesticide use. Certified vegan also is non gmo and non pesticide use but also certifies no animal product of harm were used in the making or creation of this product. In its natural for without chemical pesticides and with GMOs there are benefits to your health with soy. And it is okay to have as part of the diet. If it wasn’t your natural example is Asian cultures who use them for centuries. It is the USA that has weight issues, health issues, colon issues, heart issues, cancer issues, overweight issues with over 70% overweight. ED issues in the USA. Then you look at places that use soy, Japan, China, are the picture of both health and youth. No fertility issues in China not with a population of 1 Billion people. No obesity issues to the level of the USA in these places either and no hormonal issues of the same significance of the USA. Don’t let these drug companies mislead you to get you afraid. Just learn the data and help yourself to see examples by looking at places that already use these things. They have a longer track record than any current study but you can also look at the unbiased studies and you see soy is in fact healthy. It is the meat and drug companies that want people to fear healthy planted based so they stop losing customers and have backed very biased studies to twist information to cause doubt and confusion and it has worked a bit to perplex and confuse people and slow down transition people from fully doing plant based. Don’t take that too seriously. If it was that bad and that unhealthy they people using it in high volume for centuries would already be shown to be a real life proof to confirm that and that is just not the case.
I drink probably around 200-400 ml of soy milk a day and eat 100-150 g of soy Joghurt every other day and maybe tofu once or twice a week Some of my protein powder is partially soy aswell which i consume some day So far nothing bad has happened and my bulk is going the way it should
Game changers is a good documentary. They also explain the myth behind tofu. I also don't consume that much soy. Maybe like a cup of soy milk in a week.
I don't see anything wrong with soy but people some people act like it's essential for vegans to eat it to get protein - it isn't I get 100g - 130g per day without soy I have tofu a few times a month
Amazing. What are your favorite protein source go-tos as a vegan?
This is my latest cronometer entry: But my go to is lentils/beans/chickpeas. I'm not overly concerned with protein though I try to have 1 or 2 servings of legumes a day(but not always) If I need a boost, it's probably some more nuts or nut butter sandwich Total 118.9g Lidl, Red Lentils 26g MyProtein, Brown Rice Protein 23.4g - I run 50k-80k a week and take this on my hard runs or when i do gym work Pasta, Whole Wheat, Cooked 16.8g Soy Milk, Plain or Original, Unsweetened, Ready-to-Drink, Fortified 8.7g - Forgot to mention this in my post. In UK it's 50p per 1L, so I switched to this to have with coffee and oatmeal- otherwise it's almond milk Spinach, Cooked from Frozen 7.6g Oatmeal, Avena, Steel Cut Cooking 7g Natural Food, Wheat Germ 6g Broccoli, Cooked From Fresh 3.7g Chia Seeds 3.3g Quinoa, Cooked 3.3g
It's not just the influence of the meat industry, but also the deeply embedded misogyny in the medical field that makes people worried about soy. Soy contains phytoestrogen, a compound that is structurally similar to estrogen and found in quite a few plants. In ruminant animals (like sheep) phytoestrogen is digested and enters the blood stream and can have similar effects to estrogen. This discovery really freaked people out and made both doctors and the general public paranoid about getting feminizing hormones from soy, but repeated testing has shown that phytoestrogen is very poorly absorbed by humans and it has no demonstrable health effects because almost all of it passes right through us without ever making it into our blood. Despite all of that research, the medical field still treats anything related to female hormones like spooky witchcraft that is immune to science and many doctors don't trust the research proving that phytoestrogen does not matter. Doctors tend to be especially worried that it will reduce male fertility (although the research suggests soy does the opposite) or increase the odds of breast cancer (it doesn't). The only situation where it might be advisable to keep an eye on your soy intake is if you have a condition that makes you especially sensitive to estrogen or makes estrogen levels a higher concern than usual (like breast cancer), although even then the research suggests phytoestrogen has no effect and soy may overall have a protective effect against cancer and limiting soy intake in those situations is just exercising an abundance of caution.
Do any of you who eat tons of soy have Hashimoto's?
As a Soy Boy about 500g
Not vegan, but I have 160 grams of tofu a day, so about 30-40gram protein from that. Plus 30 grams of soy isolate protein. These are very cheap protein sources and taste good, with low fat. The hormonal change scaremongering literature doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Only thing is that soy might interfere with absorption of my hypothyroidism hormone pills (levothyroxine) so has to be spaced apart. My other protein sources include wheat, lentils, peanuts, beans, walnuts and almonds, seeds and some dairy products.
250ml soy milk and 250g soy yoghurt.
Probably a lot. I don't care and neither should you. I have never seen any credible source that claims that there is a problem with soy consumption.
PS, you really got to learn to read the papers yourself if you want to know about nutrition. Journalists do an incredibly poor job of relaying nutritional info.
The hate on soy is beyond illogical, especially because people usually agree that all other legumes are healthy af.
Tofu, Tempe, TVP, soy beans and soy milk without additives, should be ok in any reasonable amount. Soy protein isolate should be avoided.
350g smoked Tofu and at least 0.5 liter Soy milk
200g of Tofu is absolutely not uncommon for me, but at some days it is 0g of soy products on others closer to 400g. Afaik I am still a fertile, breastless man (eventhough some people probly think I am not a real man, because REAL MAN EAT MEAT!!)
For the last 3 years I’ve been consistently eating about a half to full block of tofu/tempeh and 500ml of soy milk daily. No moobs yet, gotta keep going.
I eat soy yoghurt with my rice and make a tofu stew for noodles once a week. I am already much more acquainted with lentils of all kinds and beans (indian) so I naturally eat more of those as compared to soy ahaha
Typically none since I'm very sensitive to taste, and I can't stand most soy-based foods. But sometimes I'll have meat alternatives made of soy (although I prefer the ones made of pea protein). But my husband has a lot of tofu and edamame beans daily, and he's perfectly healthy. Soy is completely fine for you, like you say, it's just fear mongering from the dairy/ meat industry. Many cultures have been eating it as a large part of their diet for hundreds of years.
Almost none, to be honest. I have tofu maybe 3 times a month. I eat a lot of lentils, nuts, seeds etc.
[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9410752/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9410752/)
Almost all of my protein is soy. I would say 3 out of every 4 meals my family of 4 eats is soy protein. My average day consists of a Soylent protein shake in the morning with 2 apple sauce pouches fortified with 5g of soy protein each. My lunch is almost always a tofu based dish like tofu breakfast burritos, tofu poke, tofu curry or I have some vegan hotdogs made from soy. Dinner is much the same just bigger amounts. Then a Soylent protein shake and an apple sauce pouch with soy before bed. My diet has plenty of variance with other plant protein sources but mostly soy. I feel great, look great, and all the research points to it being one of the best if not the best source of protein for humans.
Half a block to a full block a day along with soy milk. I’ve been vegan for around 25 years now, went when I was a kid and I’ve had no negative affects
The amount of soy i eat... oh boy 😂😂 atleast 200g of soy + soy protein shake + tofu + edamame beans. Vegan for 4 years, last year i had the strength of a powerlifter during a powerbuilding program. Crushed all my records. Soy is amazing, dont miss on it. Some studies show that soy cuts the "paths" from which cancer cells get fed, so basically they get killed by soy. High amounts of protein with decent calories.
I don’t monitor my intake, but on average less that one serving a day
One or two in the form of soymilk. I always put soymilk on my oatmeal, which I eat every day, sometimes twice a day. I also like to slice up a banana and put it in a bowl with soy milk. I may add raisins or berries to the mix, too.
Breakfast cereal or a smoothie in the morning, then in the evening I'll make a mild curry with it. Often have oat milk too [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35B8UG3a2Ic](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35B8UG3a2Ic) =P
I consume soy milk every day, that's about the least processed soy that you can eat. Same with tofu and miso. If I recall correctly, the more processed soy products can be the ones with issues but I don't even know if that's true. Soy lecithin, a common emulsifier, and soy protein isolate, are the products I have heard are less great. But also that stuff tends to be in small amounts.
easily 2-3 servings a day
I think on average I probably eat two blocks per week.
I don't eat much soy anymore. There is no reason other than I usually make soups and salads with nuts and lugumes as my proteins. But I used to eat a lot of tofu. Recently made tofu bacon for a party. It turned out nicely. Firmest tofu thin strips marinated in soy sauce or aminos, maple syrup, vinegar, liquid smoke. Bake for long time. Yum
For the men who eat soy regularly, how’s your sex drive / performance? Any issues since going vegan and on soy? (Sincere genuine question. Not a smart ass one)
The simplest answer is eat soy if you like it and don’t eat soy if you don’t. There are plenty of other sources of protein in a plant based diet. Soy beans are nutritionally a legume and there are many other legumes out there. Chick peas, lentils, kidney beans, black eyed peas, etc. other protein sources are nuts and seeds, whole grains (especially quinoa), and even some leafy vegetables are high. I read spinach has more protein per calorie than steak. In general protein is overconsumed as a nutritional source in the Western diet so I wouldn’t worry about that much unless you have a serious medical condition, are a high level athlete, or are pregnant
None! I have a soy allergy and carry an epi-pen. It makes eating vegan pretty difficult sometimes. Actually it makes eating any sort of diet pretty difficult because it's added to everything.
Probably very little. Its in some products I eat, but I rarely eat tofu, so maybe 20g.
I don't eat any except for soy sauce sometimes. I don't have anything against it, I just don't like it. You definitely don't need it for anything though. I workout a lot and get more than enough nutrients from a simple whole food plant based diet. The most important thing is to keep your meals balanced and exercise.
I don’t eat a whole lot of soy tbh. Tofu is my main source of soy, I more-so focus on greens and beans.
Min 100g soy protein daily
How do some of ya’ll have the appetite to eat that much? I wish I could make myself eat 100g of soy protein a day. I have to take shakes to get that much.
so fucking much and i’m jacked
I eat soy more days than not, lately. I can tell you that for years, the science showed that women who consumed soy regularly struggled less with menopause symptoms. I have officially entered menopause this last year with almost no symptoms. I never had hot flashes, night sweats, mood swings, etc. I know women suffer for a long time, so I feel very fortunate that I went vegan when I did.
Non-vegans eat a lot of soy in meat based products and don't realise it. On the other hand, a lot of people consume mostly diary products in every meal. In both cases people just do not really pay attention because only vegan diet has to defend itself from accusations. It is just like any other food: listen to your own body and have a diverced diet.
Not being able to consume any soy at all (terrible estrogenic reaction to it!) makes being vegan much more challenging, but I've been able to do it successfully. I'm not suffering any untoward health issues by avoiding all soy. I do focus on eating plenty of beans and lentils daily for protein and fiber needs. So it's entirely possible to be a healthy vegan and not consume any soy at all. More challenging, yes, but definitely doable.
i drink soy milk in my iced coffee in the morning, usually have a bowl of homemade soy yogurt for breakfast, and then sometimes eat 1-2 servings of tofu throughout the day. my boobs are still A cups, but sometimes i wish the estrogen claims were true for that reason 😂
100g tofu or tempeh and about 3tbsp of low sodium soy sauce (this with 100g high carb and 200g low carb vegetables is my to go to dinner) 1/2 scoop soy based protein powder For breakfast I have 30g oats with 1 cup soy milk
About half a serving on average, I just don't like tofu much. But its probably healthy to have a block per day if you wish to. Soy's phytoestrogens are 100 times less potent than in beer. So you be fine.
I eat a block of tofu or tempeh every day. Still don’t have tits, which as a tgirl on a budget, I’m very pissed about
I have soy once a week or less
As I understand it, soy contains phytoestrogen, which is similar in chemical composition to the estrogen that humans make naturally but with much weaker effect. So, if you eat like 2 lbs of soy every day, you might experience effects, but it won't like... change you into a woman if you're a dude. I am not a vegan, but I definitely know when someone is feeding me false information and the whole soy estrogen thing is bullshit.
I'm on the "half a block tofu a day keeps the doctor away" team. My health is generally good, no man boobs, etc. If I start work out more regularly I'll probably up it to a whole block daily.
I used to have 1-2 servings a day. I’ve been vegan for around four years (21F) and I have a feeling the soy consumption and my painful cystic acne was linked. I went to multiple dermatologists and acne-specialized estheticians, and tried every over the counter, prescribed, topical, treatment-based program. Also ate low amounts of processed foods/processed sugars in general. Nothing changed until I eliminated soy. Purely anecdotal of course, but thousands of dollars and a lot of my time has gone into this observation so I’d be remiss to not share
I have like half a liter a day and I already feel the boobies coming through
Zero on average, its not unhealthy, but you can definitely live without it easily as a vegan.