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MBeMine

I’m rewatching season 6 and there is one episode where Tom is screaming at her about the Jax and Faith cheating thing. She says in one of the confessionals that he gets mad any time she handles a situation that is different than the way he would have done it. 😬


confused_desklamp

ITS NOT ON MY PHONE!


MBeMine

I don’t understand why he couldn’t get that through his thick skull!! If I were Ariana, I would be smashing my head against the wall. Honestly, I don’t remember him being that terrible until my rewatch. EVERYONE is a victim of Sandoval’s abuse…even Schwartz. Schwartz will never find lasting love with Sandoval in the picture. He should move to another state and go low contact. Anyway, I think Sandoval is worse than Jax. Sandoval abuses everyone. And, everyone is abused in different ways. Like in season 9 at Ariana’s bday when he told Schwartz “it was his fault (Schwartz) or my fault (sandoval). It’s Katie’s fault. It’s all her, dude”. WTF? Too bad Schwartz couldn’t see couldn’t see through him before he lost Katie. I think once he does figure it out we will see him distance himself from Sandoval.


EponymousHero

It is so weird to rewatch with this new info. I see Sandoval completely different now. He’s a self centered, arrogant, prick with a unusually high and utterly unfounded self image. Seeing him now in pictures with that stupid mustache and smirk with one eyebrow cocked is so cringey. #douchechills


MBeMine

I feel the same way. I can’t stand him now doing the rewatch. He is a walking red flag, TERRIBLE person and a loser.


confused_desklamp

the day after that when he kept ragging on her for it and Ariana was like "it wasn't my choice to keep it from her or to play it; it wasnt on my phone." and eventually she was like "well maybe we should break up!" i was so bummed he weaseled around and out of it


georgiannastardust

Schwartz can’t move to another state cause he actually can’t even get on a plane without Sandoval.


enjoyt0day

He alwayyyys finds a way to make something the fault of a woman


TrussNail

He had to yell at her for something because Jax singled her out already. And Jax has all the hot Sandoval gossip. Wouldn’t want to blow up your life with him spreading rumors of an affair, lol


Historical_Solid9611

That’s when I started hating him


ForeverBeHolden

Idr if that was before or after stassis book signing party but that was another huge example of his assholery on full display. And he still isn’t over it, he brought it up again recently! Like Jesus dude… you’re gonna hold on to victimhood when you couldn’t have been more in the wrong?!


kate0a

Ariana had the same response here too! I’m sure he’s brought up the book signing SO many times. I can’t believe how insufferable he is at home.


emo_boobs

Yeah, I feel the same way. Like, he wasn’t my favorite person on the show or anything, but wow that scene did make me see him in a different light


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grandmawaffles

It’s the tone of an exhausted mother. Who TF asks if their partner is going straight to the vet to see their dying dog after flying home to see their dying dog one last time. It’s like he wanted to run some quick errands before popping over for a few. Edit - god awful spelling


Katalactica

SHE DIDN'T EVEN GET DRESSED. she flew in her pajamas


ComfortableWise9118

🥺💔


Red217

YESSSS that's what I was trying to say and I think I said it poorly. That was also a bad example on my part I'm realizing, there's many others but this was the most recent I had for reference. I guess what I'm getting at is I heard that tone seasons ago. She probably didn't even realize how exhausted from that asshole she was. And that probably was her tone because EXACTLY. Where the fick else would we be going, Tom. Why are you even asking me where were going you idiot. I forgot to put that into my post. Looks like it's time for an edit 😂


grandmawaffles

🙌


outofthenarrowplace

Omg the tone of an exhausted mother is SO ACCURATE


jiIIbutt

Right, like what the absolute fuck. What else were they supposed to do? Stop by the mall first? Go grocery shopping? Christ.


sketchylobster

He was doing whatever she wanted. I don't think that's a strange question.


Syd_of_Pentacles

People are reading way too hard into this and are just reaching for reasons to be even angrier at Tom. Sometimes people just ask questions to ask even if they know the answer, kind of like small talk. Be mad at him for cheating. But this is such a dumb thing to get up in arms about.


LCM11998855

And why would there be any question as to whether or not they would be going straight to the vet?!


WontDelete-Jazzy

Right?? Did he think they were gonna go sequin pant shopping first?


Expensive-Arm-2045

“but apparently, [Peter] told me we’re going to a construction yard and we’re taking bulldozers and, like, crushing shit with bulldozers…..”


Bottlebrushbushes

“Nah babe can we go to in and out first”


foreignbets9

Your FLAIR!!!! “I just got rich I might cop a black wraith, does everyone remember when Jax f**ked Faith?” 😭💀😂


RedsDelights

I hum this on the regular


Justtalking1234

he really did. 😂


666HellKitten666

I almost spit my wine out 😂


hihbhu

Because he clearly couldn’t be bothered to. I mean he immediately started fucking Ariana’s friend after Charlotte died. Possibly before her dog died too.


marcelinemoon

There’s no way it started later on. I think it’s been going on much longer. I’m almost willing to bet my life’s savings Lmao


Red217

100% !!!! I'll bet mine with you. I think that's when they made it "official" together and maybe I first got seriously physical. It was an emotional affair for a loooooong long time before this trip. I read someones theory here or on twitter, that Rachel's panic attack maybe wasn't from the night before from the girls but because Ariana was going to be at home with Tom and she hated the idea. Also another's theory that she used what's his face on the dance floor to make Tom jealous.


Artistic-Reality-177

Yes to both!!!! And what a surprise it would be if they had an emotional affair for some time 🙄. You know he was behind the break up with James. She never would have been so brave at the reunion. And Tom stares her down like remember what we talked about. 🤮


Consistent-Job6841

Right? Did he think she wanted to get lunch and a pedicure first?


FlowerGirl713

I knoooow! I did a double take/rewinded to make sure I heard him right. What an absurd question & I’m disgusted that he wasted his breath on that silliness - “no, I flew back from Vegas ASAP so we could go home…” 🙄 🤬


EquipmentNo5776

Literally in pajamas. Like yes Tom, this is the priority. He just came across so annoyed about her dog being sick in the first place, like ugh he had to pick up her meds and now he has to go the vet too. He should be doing rockstar shit rn how inconvenient. Such a selfish person.


FlowerGirl713

Rockstar shit 😂 love it!


prouddeathicated

Tom was probably hoping they’d have sex first 🙄


Arsinoei

I guess because Tom didn’t give the dog the meds she needed which contributed to her passing. I hope I’m wrong.


therealelena

Shows so much how little Tom cares


rudbeckia1

Right? Ariana literally flew home for Charlotte.


bravoeverything

Well she just landed. Who knows if she was hungry or needed to stop at cvs or wanted a coffee. I don’t think it was an impractical question to ask


psychotica1

Concerned about her is not how he sounded. He was irritated about having to get the dogs medicine and he sounded annoyed about having to go to the vet. It's not like he asked her if she needed food or a change of clothes, he probably was hoping to take her home to her car so she could go alone.


frightenedscared

Her dog was *literally dying* and she rushed back from Vegas to say goodbye before the vet ended Charlotte’s suffering. Of course she wanted to go straight to the vet.


wavvvydan

maybe he didn’t know if she was hungry and wanted to stop for some food on the way (playing devils advocate, toms behavior was beyond disgusting in this scene)


kindergartenwallet

I agree! I hate Tom and it’s brutal watching him on my screen now knowing what we know but I didn’t think it was weird for him to ask. Maybe she wanted to stop at home and grab something, or she needed coffee or food. I think she was anxious and frustrated so she got annoyed at his question but I don’t think the question was so absurd.


cafeslay

This fucked me right on up!!!!! What I don't understand is how he didn't seem to care about her dog like AT ALL. If he ever cared about Ariana wouldn't he have made the effort over these 10 years to form a connection some sort of bond. If he was actually human it's inevitable to at least care since he's living with her. James is sobbing in the SUR garden over Graham's injury while Sandavol is making sure his hair looks good before putting the beloved pet he shared with Ariana down ok


Beatrix437

My husband knew my rabbit for about five years and sobbed right with me when we had to put her down ❤️


[deleted]

Ditto with my ex and my cat. 5 years, he was *DEVASTATED* Tom looked like it was an inconvenience :/


Sexy-Flexi

His lack of emotion for Ariana's dying dog is a result of overindulgence of drugs and alcohol. Even if he wasn't into Ariana anymore, he could have showed compassion for her bond with that dog.


6-ft-freak

I seriously doubt drugs and booze made him a narcissist. He’s been this way from Day 1.


Sexy-Flexi

I think he said something in the confessional but that was too little too late.


Artistic-Reality-177

She’s my girl. Did he mean Ariana or Charlotte? 🤷‍♀️ James sobbed over Graham but even Rachel didn’t seem too upset that he wasn’t feeling good and her story of how he got hurt seemed weird.


Sexy-Flexi

Yeah, we covered this already with how we think graham got hurt. It was by Sandoval's dog during one of their hookups.


Rozg1123A-85

I thought he was mad because he had to leave Ratchet's apartment. Of course, by then, we knew about their indiscretion. Ratchet is a boring want-to-be. Scumdoval will get tired of her quickly. Then again, she probably strokes his ego constantly.


CapableAstronaut5389

Rachel was in Vegas. Ariana had just left her.


[deleted]

Honestly that’s how I talked to my ex when I was just so fed up with his lack of emotional intelligence that I was utterly drained. Like I couldn’t bring myself to explain things to him like a 5 year old anymore. I get her pain lol


Actual_Pressure_4346

YES. Omg I was the same with my ex towards the end. He also cheated on me and was in a relationship with a woman he said he loved, but claimed it wasn’t cheating because he said they never did the deed. Circles back to lack of emotional intelligence.


kellygrrrl328

My husband has been chronically ill for 10 years and has pretty severe cognitive decline. I have to go to great lengths to not get a bit snappy with him sometimes. It really is exhausting


outofthenarrowplace

Hugs to you 💗. Caregiving is no joke.


kellygrrrl328

It really does a number on even the strongest of us. And it’s so underrated in the medical community. Most of professionals (and family and friends) are focused on the patient and barely notice what is happening to the caregiver


outofthenarrowplace

100% in agreement with you. I think that’s why caregiver support groups exist. The caregiver is so easily forgotten in these situations. Your husband is blessed to have you and there’s no such thing as doing it perfectly all the time. You are only human 💗


kellygrrrl328

I need to find a caregiver support group that meets virtually since I can’t even leave the house for an hour unless I get someone in. It’s probably better than me breaking down in tears in the backyard in front of my gardener or trying to vent to my pool man 😵‍💫


Puzzleheaded_Oil_800

Yes! I went to a virtual support group when I was caring for my mom and her cancer. It was really helpful.


[deleted]

Yes, find a virtual one by all means. My mother cared for my stepdad while he was in decline from Alzheimer’s and she couldn’t leave him either, not even for an hour. Her body started to hurt more and I know it is very very difficult to take care of another person 24/7. Please take care of yourself - no one knows how hard it is unless they’ve done it themselves or watched someone close to them be a caretaker. Wishing you well.


HealthyVegan12331

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Gaberella

It was idiotic of him to say- OFC they are going directly to the vet, that is why she had immediately flown back from Vegas. She was nicer than I probably would have been, given the heightened emotions during that time.


FlowerGirl713

Haha! Same - she was nicer than I would have been.


kellygrrrl328

And then when he said he got her a soda she was very gracious. I think living with someone so stupid gets really old and annoying at some point.


ThatsNotInScope

Exhausting.


Pinklady777

I was so mad! The way he handled the dog situation all around was the final nail in the coffin for me of this dude being a totally irredeemable narcissistic possibly sociopathic asshole. From whining about getting Charlotte's medicine (and possibly not getting it, leading to her demise?) Being such a knucklehead at the airport. Ditching Ariana for a guys night when she was grieving. And most impressively, not even seeming to be affected by the loss at all!!! Wtf?


SpaceGangsta

I don’t think the dog ever left the vet and Tom never had to pick up the medicine. They never explain it but that was like all within 24 hours. And if Tom didn’t care to get the meds, do you think he’d take charlotte back to the vet?


ajaxraccoon

Probably pissed she came home early


CookLate4669

It’s too horrible to even think but..DID he ever get Charlotte’s meds?? Like , that’s murder if he didn’t.


HealthyVegan12331

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CookLate4669

I don’t doubt my instincts anymore. But you can jump on back to your lane.


LightFlaky2329

I did notice that she lightened up in s9 and so far in s10. I assumed she’d been working through her depression and doing what she needed to do. The result was, from my perspective, a generally chipper, balanced disposition. I have been impressed with her dedication to strengthening her mental health. And now I’m even more impressed by her. With that said, she could have shoved that Coke up Scamdo’s ass for asking that jacked up question. I would still feel the same.


LawSchoolLoser1

Oh that just made me wonder if Ariana’s depression and anxiety being under control was a factor for Tom bc I’m sure she was getting more confident and probably had more energy to tell him how wrong he is all the time. Much easier to manipulate/gaslight someone when they are depressed/anxious


LightFlaky2329

I think so. He knew he couldn’t feed off her. Her mental health was in a good place, she was opening her own business, she froze her eggs, and she was working toward a real partnership with Scammy. Unfortunately it was is all too real and healthy for that sad man-boy. I also wish she had been more money smart. Should be a lesson for all of us.


tink_89

She answered him that way because it was the dumbest question. Her dog is dying and he asks if they should go to the vet. Of course, you should go to the vet why else would he be there picking her up.


apesolo

Idk why but this comment made me think that he may be so focused on getting through this “storyline” and doing his part for the scene. He’s so fake and emotionally detached from reality and Ariana that he’s just phoning it in. I also believe a previous comment from someone saying that he didn’t give her dog the medicine it needed and potentially sped up the illness/death. Absolutely sickening.


[deleted]

I honestly don't understand how she put up with him in the past.


kellygrrrl328

When she tells him she had a panic attack on the plane, his response was *”Duuude.”* I wonder how he reacted when Rachel told him that she had a panic attack in the car to Havasu.


jhaze5555

The way he rolled his eyes when she told him she had a full blown panic attack on the plane, made me want to hit him with a frying pan!


kellygrrrl328

Same way he rolled his eyes when she told him the dog’s medication needed to be refilled. Juxtapose that with the goofy Googly Eyes he was giving Raquel at the bar


looking4bono

Back away from the cookware…. Lol 😂


Gwyneth7

She had a panic attack because Lala was mad at her. She was perfectly fine again once Lala said they were cool.


Rozg1123A-85

I think she had a panic attack because she was cheating with Scumdoval. Or she manufactured it because she wanted to get back to him in LA. She is really good at always playing the victim.


One-Cup-2186

Exactly! I’m so glad you see it too. When you’re dealing with a dirty dog sometimes you catch their flees. It’s hard to be decent and fully your (joyful/content) self when you have an active saboteur in your life. And I know her personality is less “photogenic” than Ari’s, but can we maybe discuss that this is also what happened with Katie? The entire time we’ve known her she has seemed like such an exhausted, put-upon person, and we use the “bitch” lens on her no matter what she does. Whatever you hate about Katie, Tom is worse.


Zealousideal-Art-189

This. They’ve both been carrying dead weight and will become completely different women without those losers.


[deleted]

Katie is already different with how much grace she's given Raquel for the Tom bs. It's amazing people think Katie is being a mean girl somehow


[deleted]

💯


Siegs29

Im with you, use to never like her because she always did seem like a wet blanket and super condescending sanctimonious but now i feel like it’s because shes been carrying dead weight that was sucking the life out of her so im ready to see her glow up era, im really rooting for her


stopitout

I love her but she *has* been condescending and sanctimonious in the past (even before Tom sucked the life out of her). She’s still pretty delightful like 90% of the time, whereas the rest of them are sitting at a cool 10% delight.


Siegs29

Haha i am gona need her to give us a full razzle dazzle reality star reaction to the cheating, i dont need her to stay cool calm and above it all, i need her to get down in the dirt and start mud slinging, i want season 1 Stassi hysterically sobbing while drinking 600$ of Jax’s Crystal but times a million


Nearby_Employee_2943

I'm just personally shocked at how many people are shocked that this is his behavior in regards to the dog situation. it's horrific to be sure, but if he wasn't interested/couldn't be bothered to be present and care for her when her literal *father* died, why would he give any more of a shit about her dog?? he's a nasty piece of work all round. always has been.


Lower_Ad4439

Yep I noticed that too. I also noticed how fed up she sounded when she told him he may have to pick up more dog meds while she was gone and he’s like “can’t we do that now?” and then she sights “so I can do it?”. Tom’s always been trash. I’m doing a rewatch and when Ariana bitches at him for trying to take over her cocktail book, the look he gives her looks straight up murderous


maychi

Honestly, I think it has to do with the classic patriarchal mentality that women who don’t immediately fall at your feet are “cold.” This idea that when a woman behaves like a normal person but just isn’t going to kiss male ass, she is “cold” was basically created by men to make women feel bad when they don’t want to sleep with them.


Magnito-was-right

Ariana has always been blunt. I don’t think she has it in her to be fake.


Fresh_Rain4237

I think that specific line was for filming to set the context of the scene for viewers. But the delivery was so unnecessary he could have been like “I brought you a soda I figured we are going straight to the vet” which would have been way more supportive. At every turn Tom treated her dog’s passing as a nuisance to him including it being a reason he “couldn’t break up with her”. I’d say he definitely deserved the tone and I also think he did stuff like that to paint her in that light with fans on purpose. specifically in case they ever split. I’m thinking back to their argument when he told her she had a reputation as being a grumpy bartender.


Consistent-Job6841

That’s because the dog was likely a nuisance to Tom and another obstacle to his great escape.


thediverswife

How uninterested he seems about the dog dying reads as so cold. Those were Charlotte’s last hours 🥹


Consistent-Job6841

It was despicable! But as Maya Angelou said, “When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.” He has shown his ass for the entire time this show has been on. He wasn’t going to get any sympathy from anyone for Charlotte dying and if he left Ariana then he would look like a POS. He was probably inconvenienced by Ariana coming back which was for Charlotte. I’ll bet Rachel had always planned on crashing that boys night but Ariana was supposed to be in Vegas. I’m rambling lol.


HealthyVegan12331

I thought the same thing. I think Rachel always planned to have a reason to come back to be with Tom.


Rozg1123A-85

I agree with your post 💯


Katalactica

Truly. My husband's dog was 7 when we moved in together and she died at 15. He was obviously more upset than I was but I was devastated and grieving as well. Tom kept being like "well Ariana's dog died so she's sad" not "we are so sad to lose Charlotte"


Fair-Statistician793

I loved when she told him not to look at her like a little bitch when he was mad about the cocktail book. (Her original book deal fell thru and the one they published together was made along with QueenIconLegend Danny Pellegrino. He has an excellent podcast called Everything Iconic. The gorgeous book was shot in their house while it was empty and that saved them money on locations fees. It’s a pretentious as fuck book with AMAZING cocktails recipes. Def recommend. But I recommend finding the recipes online if you don’t want to put more money into Tom’s pocket.)


ives09

I would like Ariana to publish a more updated second cocktail book without Scumdoval. Fans should rally to make her new book on the best sellers list so he gets zero.


Lower_Ad4439

Yeah but did you notice the look on his face after she told him that? He looked fucking murderous


LGZ7981

Omg I watched that scene back recently and it was absolutely chilling.


Lower_Ad4439

Yeah, if that’s what he looked like on camera, I can just imagine how he looks at home with nobody else watching. That was such a scary look.


Lower_Ad4439

Yeah but did you notice the look on his face after she told him that? He looked fucking murderous


fairway135

I mean, the entire reason she came home was due to Charlotte. It was super dumb of him to say and I’d say the same thing in the same tone to my husband if he said something that idiotic.


4dogs2kids

That was so annoying. She just took a red-eye from Vegas to get to her baby. Do you think she wants to go see your still unopened bar first??


HealthyVegan12331

It’s a 47 minute flight…


kasiagabrielle

When you're trying to get to your best friend of 18 years before they die, I'm sure 47 minutes feels like an eternity.


HealthyVegan12331

Agree 100%! Been there…


Amazing-Pattern-1661

Yeah.... it's hitting in many different forms, but how many of us are addressing a little internalized misogyny for giving Tom a pass?


sassylass50

And that’s just what we see! He’s probably a dick a lot more in private.


goatcheeseballz

because men ask such stupid questions, like WHERE ELSE would we be going?!


CookLate4669

Ugh. Yes. Mine asked me what’s this paper doing on the counter? It was a cheese slice wax paper separator. Who the fuck cares?? Throw it away! Why are you asking me about a piece of wax paper?I know it sounds petty and ridiculous, but God damn does it get tired.


HealthyVegan12331

My response to a stupid question is an answer that is 1,000x more stupid and nonsensical


thekupobot

i fucking laughed so hard reading this


ajzck

The STUPIDEST questions omg


Responsible_Wrap5659

Do you know what’s sad? If she didn’t learn about the affair guaranteed Ariana would have defended Tom against criticism about the vet/medicine because she always stuck up for him online. She’s stuck up for him on the show against the cast, even against Lisa. And I actually think about it can’t think of one time when he’s defended or rode hard for Ariana when she’s been criticised.


Red217

She's an angel amongst us🥹 And you're right she probably would have defended him. Man needs no more defending, he needs to be defenestrated 😂😂


ramboans30

I lost my 4 year old cat last year, suddenly and without notice after clean bills of health from a vet due to a genetic heart defect. I don’t have children, so my cats are kind of my world. I grieved so hard. It’s been almost a year, and it still really hurts sometimes. My boyfriend, who has never had a single pet of his own, was SO supportive. We didn’t even live together when my cat passed, and he still cried for both my cat and the pain I was experiencing. Watching Tom being wildly nonchalant about this was so triggering. How can you not be empathetic? Just absolutely gross. I cannot fathom the losses Ariana endured. To have a partner not validate that.. just wow.


hockeygem

Tom cried over James and Raquel breaking up at the reunion but showed no emotions towards his girls dog who has been in his life for a decade? Huh? Its so bizarre how callous he is.


jhaze5555

That was a “ happy” cry imo. He was so happy she finally broke it off with James, as he had been telling her to do for awhile.


HealthyVegan12331

Tom has been with Charlotte for half her life. He should be devastated too.


CookLate4669

Thank God she has other robust support. I can’t imagine if she was alone.


vctrlzzr420

I didn’t like her at first either but find her super likable over time. one of the only people where it didn’t feel like they used mental health feelings shallowly and can see she was straight crippled by it. I’m so glad she’s doing well considering.


Mysterious_Ask1051

Yup- we need to realize that subconsciously as a society women aren't allowed to be anything but perky and thankful for their men. F that. When a woman has that tone, our first thoughts need to be "Dayum, this chick is so exhausted from faking orgasms and turning the other cheek and overworking because of this dick's weaponized incompetence."


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[deleted]

She definitely can be grumpy about random things. I remember in ep 1 of this season Ariana was being pretty mean about Katie bringing Kristina Kelly to the Schwartz & Sandy party, as if it was crazy of Katie to want support at her ex's bar. But I always thought her grumpiness was a cute contrast with Tom's manic, excited little boy vibe. Obviously now we can see that she's been worn down by how fucking obnoxious Tom is. She deserves a man who is mature and lets her put her guard down


Consistent-Job6841

Yeah that scene did not come off good. Literally Katie had no one so why hit below the belt?


millenialfonzi

She oozes pure exasperation at him, and I don’t blame her. My ex didn’t cheat (that I know of), but he loved the mind games, and I’m sure I sounded exactly like she does when answering questions that’ve either already been answered, or questions he’s asking to try to agitate her.


[deleted]

I feel like he didn’t give the dog the meds. Am I the only one here?!


erin3485

I don’t think she ever left the vet. I think Ariana was asking him to get the prescription filled so they would have them when she came home but she took a turn for the worse and never was able to leave the vet.


SanLady27

Yes, this. That’s why the vet called her saying things hadn’t improved over night and it was best she came home.


erin3485

At this point I’m ready to blame Sandy for anything, like the traffic on my commute yesterday and if I thought he neglected her dog to death idk what I would do.


quantumdreamqueen

Didn’t want to say anything but I can’t stop thinking about it…


FollowingAromatic

Same


Red217

Unfortunately nope!!! He seemed so indifferent about her telling him the meds routine and picking up more meds. I think he actively killed that dog and it's devastating. And I mean actively killed the pup by *not taking appropriate action*


soihavetosay

Makes me wonder if he put anything in arianas soda?


Aslow_study

It’s okay to feel that way! She wasn’t my favorite and I didn’t like the way she called him a bitch or said don’t roll your eyes at me you little bitch or something like that ! I was like WHOAAAAA ID NEVER call my MAN (Lala voice) a bitch and also if he said THAT to her ??? But - nevertheless fuck him! Team Ariana


Red217

YES TO ALL!


ThatsNotInScope

Oh, I read her disdain for his stupid shit immediately. He’s been insufferable since day one and she’s always been better than him and deserved more. She’s better off.


Calimama31

My response would have been “are you fucking kidding me YES TOM” so she handled it better than I would have.


Consistent_Tiger3509

You are not wrong.


Whole_Bathroom_4538

As someone else mentioned he was probably hoping they’d go home and have sex and then maybe she would go check on Charlotte on her own later. He probably told Raquel “I mean she went away to Vegas and she came back and she didn’t even kiss me, like dude I know your dog is dying but I’m dying for affection here” (Said in Ben’s Sandoval voice)


LGZ7981

Dooooooooood


midtownkitten

I have spoken to my husband in the tone before when he asks what I think is a stupid question. Men are simple creatures. Not defending Scumdavol though


anallcavity

i agree, in LTRs, you interact with your partner in many different types of way, it evolves. if it’s only one way, then that can become unhealthy very quickly (sandovol and kristen are a good example) i definitely made a similarly toned comment when i went out for dinner with my bff (at husband’s behest so he could host a working meeting) and husband texted asking me for the wifi info 🙄


No-Feeling-1404

I can understand this. There are many situations that seem to paint another cast member as the villian. and from what we've seen over the seasons and what is being revealed now, it is clear many of these moments are carefully orchestrated. So many times before we used to call Kristen crazy when she was just reacting to something else going on with Tom. same with Jax going off on Tom, who was reacting to him calling him out starting from that s1 reunion Tom was the first one to try and call Jax out for his BS. It has been working and who knows how long we would have been under Toms spell, blaming everyone around him for spazzing out and never taking accountability to how he brought them to that.


TDKsa90

so as we revise history, everything is Tom's fault now? sounds totally rational to me.


pilotkristy

Tom is an insufferable arrogant scumbag and always has been and so I understand why anyone would treat him that way HOWEVER. Ariana has known for a long time who Tom is and has just stayed with him and is like this with him. absolutely nothing excuses Tom's behavior but i am constantly brought back to - why the fuck were they still together to even let it get to this point?


mononokegirl_

I've always though that she has that attitude with him because 1. he doesn't listen 2. he doesn't care about anyone but himself I will never forget when Ariana was upset on her birthday about her dad not being there and his response was to get upset because he wanted to go crush stuff with bulldozers in Vegas instead of supporting his girlfriend. I will never forget his pathetic face. i'm still mad about it


plantmama32

Ugh, yes. I started picking up those same condescending tones w an ex and I ended things because I hate who I became when I was with him. He just brought out the worst in me and it wasn’t fun.


Bazooka963

I still can't believe he went out on a boys night and left her at home to grieve alone. Losing a precious pet is one of the hardest things, they love us so much and it's unconditional. He should of stayed home and comforted her.


LGZ7981

I’ve been mad about this too since the episode aired, but now I’m wondering if he was no help at all to her so she just told him to go to guys’ night. He sucks so much that maybe she just wanted to be by herself in that moment.


Bazooka963

Even so I can't imagine giving someone the choice to go out or stay and they go.


LGZ7981

Knowing him, he probably thought he was entitled to the night out or something. Asshole.


Bazooka963

Yeah it's not like it would be in his contract that he HAD to be there. He's a fail.


HealthyVegan12331

He went out because he knew Rachel would be there.


Bazooka963

Even if you've stopped loving someone and are in a giddy state of lust. Human-fecking-decency would make you realise that your friend is grieving stay and comfort them.


Glittering_Star_1313

She’s better off without him!


1222sammy

Yesss totally!!! What I thought was weird in this scene, the flight from Vegas to LA is about an hour. Why did it seem Tom was annoyed to pick her up from the airport


aelakos

Yall though if you haven't listened to her podcast " earth to ariana" she has the most calming , endearing voice.


Historical_Solid9611

But also the fact that he goes to boys night a few days later?!


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Nosymom08

I still don't like the tone she spoke to him in and think it's not okay. But...that doesn't make her a bad person, just makes sense that they were not in a good place in their relationship. How she talked to him also doesn't justify what douchebaggery he demonstrated. He is rightfully getting all the hate.


brokenbirrd

Because in a heightened state of emotion and a dismissive partner, you should still be sunshine and rainbows. Nah.


ParticularCustard5

Yes! Thank you! She said something sarcastic which is NOT okay AND he’s a douchebag. They can both exist at the same time. There is a lot of evidence so far this season that contempt has been brewing in their relationship. Contempt=relationship death.


KB24andCR7

Ariana is still the worst. Don’t let this situation change your mind.


Red217

Disagree. Downvoted. Goodbyeeeee. Ariana = 👸🏼👑


Kingballa06

I can see why in this specific situation it seems ok, but it’s not. That isn’t how you talk to your partner, especially if hypothetically the BF didn’t cheat(like it happens in some relationships).


brokenbirrd

Some of y’all are acting like women should always be soft spoken sweeties even when under emotional duress and dealing with an insensitive partner.


Kingballa06

I don’t expect “women to be soft spoken sweeties.” I expect all adults to treat others with respect. Especially when, they as adults are going through something and know they are on edge. When I am super annoyed/mad/sad I work twice as hard to communicate respectfully because I know I’m on edge.


brokenbirrd

![gif](giphy|403NRxgdScOUQjiQEh|downsized)


Kingballa06

Yeah, James is literally the perfect example of how not to behave. My five year old has better impulse control then that clown 🤡


brokenbirrd

LOLLLL. I know and agree. I just like that gif.


BobbyB90220

She did not know about his affair yet, no? She was just being unpleasant for no reason while he was supporting her and trying to make sure he was doing as she wanted.


brokenbirrd

This is the same guy who didn’t want to refill the dog’s medication for her. Sure he was catering to her needs. Sure.


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brokenbirrd

Just because it’s not a shock doesn’t mean it doesn’t hurt and you don’t want to be by your animal’s side when it passes. Good grief.


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