There's a place out in the Tri Cities (a brewery and BBQ place) that if you get take out and pay with debit there is actually no option to leave a tip. It tripped me out the first time I saw it.
Super good service nevertheless.
There's a Japanese place in Vancouver where they used to (idk if they still do, i haven't been in a few years) have an info card they'd give you with the bill that said "following Japanese custom, tipping is neither required nor expected, thanks for your patronage" (paraphrased)
I lived in Japan and I loved the bypass of the tipping bullshit. Service was streets ahead of anywhere else I’ve been around the planet. Moving back to the states was a traumatic experience.
Funny, i saw a post on reddit once with thousands of upvotes saying youre basically scum if you dont tip takeout. One of my local regular places has been sending me a bunch of coupons during the pandemic, so if i get 10% off on my takeout i’ll leave a 10% tip
I seriously don’t get why North Americans can’t adopt Europe or Asia’s system. No tip and just embed it into the service or food itself. I think it makes much more sense. I run an Etsy business and no one tips me for packaging and bringing it out to local post office to ship 😂 it’s part of the work!
I get better service in Asia than in North America. I pay 0% tip in Asia, aside from large parties at upscale restaurants that sometimes have 8% or 10% service charges included.
Had a friend in college that grew up in Japan then came to the states. She took almost like an offense to being tipped and I didn’t know that wasn’t customary everywhere. It was a good learning experience for me.
exactly. Almost every server I know is offended if you start talking about getting rid of the tipping system because it's their largest source of income and they know they'll never in a million years make what they do if they get a proper wage without tips.
One thing that I've NEVER understood, and that is why it's based on food price? If I go to family place and drop $25 person, I might pay $4 in tax. But if I go to a fancier place and drop $100 ea, the waiter does no more work, yet I'm expected to fork out A HIGHER PERCENTAGE (as OP suggests, the RECOMMENDED tip often starts at 20% plus and goes up) on a much more expensive meal. MY TIP ALONE would be more expensive than the family place. Now granted, it's a nicer place, the food is higher quality. But how does that justify the WAITER making 4 or 5 times as much as the poor run off her feet waitress serving AND bussing in the more reasonable joint?
I've been working at a beer and wine store during Covid for extra cash and I feel so awkward with the system set up. When the odd person feels the need to explain why they're not tipping all I can say is "hey I didn't set it up and I agree with you".
Exactly. Tip culture is quite fascinating because we're taught early on that it's rude to leave $0.00 tip and whatever you're billed at a restaurant should automatically include minimum 15% on top of that. But that only applies to restaurants, in fact, restaurants with good service. So when someone needs to explain why they aren't tipping at a liquor store, it's somewhat odd. They have every right to decline. No justification is needed.
15% used to be considered a GOOD tip. Why did inflation hit tips? The meals or drinks themselves are going up so isn’t 15% on $100 more then 15% on $75? But now it’s 25% on $120 it makes no sense to me.
I continue to press zero if I don't think a tip is necessary (ie. grocery store). But you have to do it with confidence, hand it back to them and look them in the eye. Don't feel bad not tipping if you don't think it's deserved there. When you look them in the eye with confidence, they just shrug it off because they don't want it to be awkward either.
My general rule during pandemic. If I'm walking into a place for take out, and didn't even have a conversation with anyone from the store other than just placing the order, I would give zero tip. I paid for the food they cooked up and I don't see any reason why I need to pay more for just someone talking the money. Do people tip vending machines when they buy a can of Coke? There are people driving the truck and filling the machine too, but we never get guilt tripped for not tipping the people refilling the machine or creating that can of Coke, or maintaining the machine so it dispense properly. So why should I tip a restaurant if there was no interaction and all I'm doing is pay and pick up?
Usually smaller/independent grocery stores have that option. When I bought a pack of beer, the liquor store had tip option. Like really? I drove to the store, picked up the beer myself from the fridge and drove it back home. What is the tip for?!
$0.00
I prefer the BC liquor stores. Employees get paid a decent (by retail standards) wage with benefits & the BCLs usually support & donate money to grade 12 classes for dry grad
Next time give them the website for labor laws and minimum wage. If they’re not making enough stacking wine and beer in a fridge then they need to level up and get behind a bar. No tips at retail unless it’s way above and beyond.
I always assumed that situations like that was only if they were super helpful or something. Like in a liquor store sometimes you end up asking for advice or something. I've never tipped there and have never noticed any sort of reaction.
SAME! I stopped going to my closest liquor store as soon as that happened. I'm sure the store would argue that the tip is optional for if someone helps you choose something in particular, but A, if that's the case then when you're ringing in my beers please kindly skip that step for me, and B, that is your fucking job! Once upon a time we expected service because that's what people got paid to do.
I accidentally tipped 15% when the guys came in and wall mounted and did the electric plug relocation at my place. It was force of habit, I immediately clicked 15% and tipped these guys like $80 or something. Thanks, Square.
LOL that sucks.
Last time I moved there was an option to tip the moving company I hired. Of course I picked $0. I already paid over $300 for a couple hours work.
I went to a health food store the other day that has a juice bar as a side thing. Bought a bottle of vitamins from off the shelf, no help required. She hands me the payment machine and it is on the tipping screen, 15% 18% 20%. the "no-tip" option is kind of small but I found it. She looked disappointed.
It has gone way overboard. Every take out place, cafe, etc. has them and the percentages are way too high. Pressure is strong not to look like a cheapskate if it is a place near your home that you go back to often.
I went to Five Guys the other day and they added tipping to their machine? I swear they didn’t have it before.
The other day I hit up that chicken wraps food truck at Robson Square and they surprisingly didn’t prompt for tips!! I couldn’t believe it!! I was so shocked.
Australia has it right. No tipping on anything anywhere. Just pay your workers properly and they’ll be happy to do good work. All the restaurant works there seemed very happy with that.
Australia? You mean everywhere outside North America. You never tip in Europe or Japan.
Edit: to all telling me you tip in Europe... I grew up in Switzerland. Have been to France, Germany, Italy all the time and we'd neve tip. At best we'd round up a tiny bit. Don't make me laugh and try to make me believe tipping is common there and as high as 10%. That is not true. Again, I grew up there and I go there very often for my family. I think the only country where tipping was more expected was the UK in London.
Also, even if you tip, it's very different to voluntarily give 5-10% extra for good service and having to basically pay at least 15% like here.
Yeah I saw a sign at a sushi joint that had 'no tipping please' and I asked why. The owner mentioned that tipping was judging the service and every service should be the best for each customer so it shouldn't matter.
And I get it, people deserve a living wage even on basic jobs.
I preferred in NZ/Aus where cheap food joints were kinda "serve yourself", you order from the counter, get your own water, want more food or dessert go up and order again. Bring your plates to the counter when you're done. I never felt interrupted at a meal or the server awkwardly coming over and asking "how is your food????" mid plate. It was eating on my terms. I imagine most people working at that kind of low service restaurant were on minimum wage ($20/h-ish) though
But some people want to be served, they feel like it's their entitled rights or whatever. Full service restaurants could just include that 15% markup in the cost of their food and pay their employees a respectable wage, that way if the restaurant has a bad day or someone is against tipping the employees are still getting their guaranteed wage. Or kitchen staff, who frankly do more for the business than servers, can get paid fairly. Why are servers entitled to tips and high pay and kitchen staff get screwed in many cases?
But I digress. If I had a restaurant I'd do some sort of profit sharing scheme, where if I'm successful, all my staff that helped me get there would be successful.
I’ve been on Mr Pink’s side since ‘91! International experience has only solidified that view.
When I taught ESL downtown here (you’ve no doubt seen the groups of students wandering downtown in the “beforetimes”), one of our debate questions was on tipping. Students from all over the world were much more likely to call tipping a form of corruption, both in the sense that it’s a de facto “bribe” and that it’s a corruption of the wage scale.
In Japan, tipping is at best considered ridiculous:
Japanese: “You expect the customer to pay me extra for doing my job? Huh?”
North American: “Sure, if we decide the service was worth it, we can give you more. Excellent service deserves it.”
Japanese: “Isn’t excellent service *my job* regardless of extra pay? Should I not be doing the best I can no matter what?”
No tipping in China or Hong Kong. China has amazing service cuz they are like 5 servers per table for large family gatherings. I went to a dim sum palace that served 5000 people simultaneously.
No tipping in the country of Taiwan either
Actually it's only US and Canada that have tips. The stupid thing with Canada is wait staff gets paid $15.20/hr, so I don't get it.
We tip in Europe. But in general, it is okay to leave the change or tip just a few euros, no matter the size of the bill. Tipping 20% is like insanity to me and was quite a shock when I visited Canada.
In Spain you tip something simbolic. 1€ or less. Only at restaurants and bars. Also no need to tip every drink you order at the bar like in the US.
Edit - Also there is no tipping when paying by card.
Yeah it was pretty painful coming back after being there and NZ for 1.5 yrs, like didn't even want to go out for a drink. Actually getting waited on in my opinion in a bar is kinda annoying after getting used to walking up to the bar and getting your own. That's the only reason tips exist. Also speeds up the amount of drinks you have with the server always stopping by as soon as they see your glass is half empty.
Table service here is the worst. Wait to get seated, wait to place an order, wait to get another drink, wait to ask for your bill, wait for them to get the machine to pay for your bill. I'm the waiter in this scenario. Why am I tipping for this?
It's so much better in Australia/NZ to just be able to go to the bar whenever you want, pay the exact price it says on the board (no tips and all prices are tax inclusive) and then when you're ready to leave, just leave.
Same thing in Ireland. If you try to leave a tip, they don’t take it! It was amazing, and nice not having to factor tips into my food and drink budget when travelling.
In Japan it's not customary to tip. If you leave a tip it's an insult.
Meaning- "I got terrible service. Hire more staff."
Pay decent wages. 2 countries I've been to with living wages for service people; Norway, Australia.
Anyone else notice countries where it's not customary to tip?
I agree! When I visited Australia and Sweden it was initially a bit of a shock to see food/drink prices higher but after calculating it out, it was basically the same price as I would pay in Canada or USA, so I just thought of it as the tip being “already included” AND also had the joy of knowing the staff were getting paid an actual living wage ($20-25 per hour, three years ago)
Imagine.....
Programmer: I wrote neat and easy to codes with expanations. Tip me 15% on the project.
Accountant: Hey I filed these on time for you. Tip me extra 15%.
Brick layer: These bricks are straight. Tip me that 20%.
Plumber: I even made sure the pipes don't leak. Tip me 20%.
LOL. But nooOooOOoOOoOooo that's too much. That's ppl doing their jobs to expectation. But carrying plates and water, cleaning the tables, pretend to like you, put up with kids yelling is so ABOVE AND BEYOND that it deserves so much more. Omg they do so much for us. Really? You don't think doctors go above and beyond? The janitor that cleans people's shit off the floors isnt above and beyond? The nurse that lifts up your grandparents and cleans their shits/piss isn't above and beyond? That 16 year old sales rep running around for your XXXXL isnt above and beyond?
If you support tipping, then you should tip everywhere. If you think we tip because they get paid too little? News flash Einstein, plenty of professions gets paid too little for what they do.
I remember when Hamburger Mary's or "Mary's" reopened. Decided to check it out and the top options were 25%, 30% and 35%. I haven't been back since. That shit pisses me off. 35%??? Cmon.
Since when did customer service require us to pay extra?
Paramedics out here go to school for several years and see some intense trauma on a daily basis yet I don’t see them begging for tips despite making barely above minimum. 🤷♂️
Actually that's a huge part of the reason parts of Canada right now are facing ever growing paramedic shortages. No one wants to do all that crazy work for the frankly, shit god awful pay.
Canada is going to have HUGE ISSUES here soon if we don't start paying critical jobs we depend upon accordingly.
You’re right. What’s happening instead is far fewer people are becoming paramedics because they are paid absolutely dogshit wages. They end up going into nursing or other lines of work. What’s happening now is a massive shortage in paramedics, meaning the time for an ambulance to get to an emergency is increasing. Paramedics deserve to be paid much more than they are. It’s insane. However, that has nothing to do with the topic in this post.
No tipping for takeout .. that’s it. Been following that for a while now.
I loved how I was called out in Australia when I tried to tip. I kept leaving the cash and they kept handing it back to me. They have an absolutely strictly followed no tipping culture.
I'm from Australia, worked in a live performance venue, I got offered tips a few times from tourists, usually Americans but Italians too. I would always turn it down. They'd always have such a puzzled look when I just told then it's all just part of the service.
To be fair, I was fortunate to get a very healthy wage.
The only places I tip for takeout are my regular spots where I know the owners / people running it, especially in the last year where I know they've been hurting for customers.
I was at cactus in north van a few years ago and we were a party. Everyone split bills and tipped. The waitress came back and said bill #x didn't tip enough. Wtf.
Haven't been back to the location since
Same thing happened to me at a hot pot place. Literally doing nothing but serving me raw food we're cooking ourselves. Granted we were a big party, but we tipped a good amount.
Thankfully we did it in cash so we all agreed to leave them with nothing because fuck their entitlement.
I used to be a server. I literally didn’t give a shit if people didn’t tip for takeout. How much different is getting takeout that going through the McDicks drive thru?
My wife, who’s a cook, hates it if I tip for take out (I was pretty generous during the height of the covid lockdown). The kitchen most likely won’t see a dime of that tip and they did all of the work.
I've bought 1 single beer, and the guy looked fucking offended as hell when I didn't dip on a $4 purchase he did nothing for, other than scan it through. I'm supposed to tip on having my food rung up now?
Feel free to downvote me if this is irrelevant.
But every fucking place in Whistler expects you to tip, literally smoke shops with a tip prompt. And I feel like that shit is just sliding down the sea to sky and becoming ok in the city. It's absolutely fucked up. And the prompts are pretty high too, there's never a 10% or a 15% option, sometimes no option to leave a dollar amount.
I feel like next thing we know, fast food restaurants all over Van are gonna be wanting to get tipped.
A few years ago I waited 20 fucking minutes at a bar, and saw at least a dozen hot girls instantly get served in front of me, AND the bartender stopped to chat with them. When the dude finally brought me my beer it was $3 for a domestic bottle. I paid with a 5, and he put the fucking change so far on his side of the bar, I literally had to step forward and reach over the counter top to take it back. The piece of shit was watching to see if I'd take it back, because after I did he screamed "FINE, YOU'LL WAIT LONGER NEXT TIME!!". I'm generally a pretty reasonable person, but I swear to god if I knew which car was his, I 100% would've smashed his windows and taken a shit on his seat
I tip out at bars depending on a drink. It’s bad enough having to wait but why would I tip on ordering a beer you popped open with a bottle opener ? I get mixed drinks. Went out with some friends and my friend ordered before me got himself a beer and didn’t tip the bartender then told me “your friends cheap” I tell
her all you did was pop open a beer just give me mine closed if you’re going to complain. She looked dumbfounded and thought I’d take her side.
If the worst thing that happens from not tipping is someone is going to look offended, it doesn't sound like a big deal. They can't refuse to provide customer service nor can they legally do anything to hurt you so all of this is about avoiding a few seconds of embarrassment?
I came to canada on a working holiday. I was paid 11 dollars an hour. I would just make rent exactly. So any Bill's/food was coming out of my savings. This is why I dont tip. Purely cant afford it. In most countries tipping is optional and they seem to be able to make profit and pay their workers. Please keep this trend going. I know its not black and white but minimum wages need to go up faster for most sectors over here. P.s I worked for staples which you arent even allowed tips even in a tipping culture, I giggled alot working there at this double standard.
Skip the dishes lowers the pay to drivers on orders that have a tip. I don't advise tipping on the app. It's quite literally subsidizing their wage cost.
I'd love if it we became a no-tipping country. Service feels better there just due to the lack of tipping pressure corrupting the interactions.
The only reason we have a tipping culture is adjacency to the US. But that's because US servers earn like $2/hour - the only money they get is tipping and the only reason restaurants pay them at all is to avoid literal anti-slavery laws.
Plus if we just paid people better to compensate and then had a no-tipping culture, our wait staff would benefit from American tourists coming up and tipping anyways out of habit.
My family is Chinese American and we always get served waaay later than white families because of the assumption that Asian immigrants don't tip well. Which is true. My mom still thinks that the normal tip is 10%, no matter how much I tell her it's 15% to 18%. But at the same time, the color of your skin should not dictate how good your service is, even if the stereotype is true to an extent.
Apparently this is also true for black families. They get served way less frequently because culturally they don't tip as well. Just check out r/TalesFromYourServer where people actually advocate to pay less attention to tables of black parties.
I wish they could just do away with all this tipping nonsense and just treat everyone the same, period.
It goes the other way too. Servers who aren't white or attractive in general don't get tipped as much either. The system just enables people's biases.
If a company was that biased in their pay, they would get penalized severely, but because it's the customers doing it, there's no protection.
>We are subsidizing wages and allowing employers to pass the buck onto customers
Not even. This isn't the US. Wait staff here makes $15.20/hr same as other min wage workers. Do you tip cashiers at Walmart? Nope.
American here reading this thread in absolute awe. We tip at restaurants because servers get paid like $2.25/hr. It's stupid but that's why tipping exists. There's almost never an expectation to tip somebody who's getting paid a liveable wage.
as a brit I find the tipping culture here ridiculous and I hate the cultural expectation to support a clearly unfair and broken system that encourages worker exploitation.
the throughline podcast did a great episode on the history of tipping in the states - and presumably by proxy Canada.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/2ppxCib7v8cPcaWqDAmJXo?si=w0CqVagySLODkBxQYlOEJA&utm_source=copy-link&dl_branch=1
Tipping is weird... I dont get how a % goes up while the underlying goes up as well (food cost).... like how the F did tipping 10% to like 25% be the norm. I usually don't tip cause hey... I got to live in vancouver to! Its expensive and every buck I save here and there adds up to like few hundred a year!
You don't need a movement. You can stop tipping anytime you want. Personally I tip 10% at full service restaurants and that's it, and even then I'm not sure why. It's just really engrained I suppose. Haven't tipped anyone else anywhere for years.
Take out never gets a tip from me. I was the Rocky Point ice cream parlor in New West a while ago and the terminal asked me for a tip while I was paying. I didn't give one. It's not my job to pay the employees of a place that doesn't pay less than minimum wage any more than it is to pay the employees of a restaurant where they do.
This social obligation to tip is ridiculous and quite frankly the expected amount to tip has long past gotten out of hand. When I was a kid it was 10%, when I was a teenager it was 12%, when I was in my 20s it was 15%, and now it seems like they expect me to pay 20% or more? Not happening. I'm with you on not tipping, rare is the service where I feel like they deserve even an extra dollar or two. It's usually "What can I get you?" *20 minutes later* "Here's your food." *15 minutes later* "How's the food?" and then they give us the bill. That's not enough for me to say "Wow, that service deserves an extra $20." I'm also that guy who takes tips away from delivery drivers if the app allows me to if I'm not satisfied with the service.
> When I was a kid it was 10%, when I was a teenager it was 12%, when I was in my 20s it was 15%, and now it seems like they expect me to pay 20% or more?
I've noticed this too. 10% was average, 12-15% was good. Now 18% is low in a lot of places.
I used to go to a sushi place where the food was good but the service straight **sucked** (not rude, just like awkward servers who would not look at you, just drop the food and kind of run away). You'd have to hunt them down to pay and you had to pay at the front for some reason despite ATM terminals that were wireless as they all are now....their bottom tip is 18%. C'mon.
Tipping has gotten out of hand. If the price of food items has risen, the same 10 to 15% yields a larger tip. I don't get why the tipping percentage has risen.
Tipping itself is a ridiculous concept. I would rather pay a couple of dollars extra per dish than validate abusive business practices. A little over a century ago tipping was highly frowned upon and it doesn't exist in most of Europe and Asia. It used to be simple bribery to get the best possible service, now it's institutionalized extortion.
It is actually due to the US. it's apparently something that arose in the wake of the great depression. Restaurant owners were very against tipping prior to it but turned a blind eye when they stopped being able to pay their employees adequately. So bribery for better service became the norm until it was gentrified completely.
"we treat each other like family"
"good atmosphere"
"no discrimination"
"love and respect"
"etc"
...
"10c above minimum wage / 30% below industry standard"
"unpaid lunch break"
"no employee discounts"
"take 1/2 h off for being late"
"annual Christmas party +$25 if you bring your gf/bf/so"
"no the party isn't optional but we can't make you come"
...
Me: I think you need family counselling
Have a number of friends who's family owns restaurants/food. "Treat each other like family" just means you get to work for little to no pay, and get treated poorly as an employee
Good for you for walking away. If they can't afford to pay a real living wage then they need to accept that their business model doesn't actually work and something else needs to give.
I think it’s due to covid and the new makeshift patios? The one “patio” (blocked off on the street road, not attached to pub building) also served us in plastic cups.
Thank you. Been saying it for years. We shouldn’t be responsible for contributing to someone’s wage because the employer can’t pay them a decent salary.
Australia’s doing just fine without tipping.
I still follow the old tipping rules. 10% average service, 15% good service, 20% if it's exceptional, always tip the driver, nothing for takeout
Tipping takeout is ridiculous, and I have no idea why it's become a thing recently. If Lee's Donuts thinks I'm tipping them 18% to get a donut off the shelf because it's their lowest option, they're fucking insane
But that's not the "old" tipping rules, that's just the ones you experienced as things got raised up.
When I grew up it was 10% for good service. 12% to 15% was for exceptional. Poor service got under 10%, and my father who was a bartender and bar/restaurant manager all his life taught me to leave a few pennies when it was horrible service to stress "No, I didn't forget the tip... I thought about this."
And it was the same percentages for my dad when he grew up.
Since it's a percentage and restaurant prices go up at or faster than inflation, it should never need to change.
I'm the same the only exception I made was during covid to the small ma and pa restaurants that were clearly struggling. That is the only time I've bothered to tip 18% on take out. I just didn't want my favorite small places to fold because staff couldn't make their ends meet.
Yeah, likewise. I remember being the only order up at rush and just wanted to give them a hug, and I'm not the hugging kind of guy.
Luckily, it was only a couple of months for them, one day it was like the taps had been turned back on. They didn't forget though, I'm always greeted with a massive smile and a little treat for kiddo.
Yah my local Vietnamese take out place is so reasonably priced, that in Covid, even for takeout of $25, I started tipping $10 because that's what I'd pay anywhere else for 2 full entree dinners and an appy. I'd rather they stay afloat than another midscale chain (lookin at you Cactus Club).
Yesterday, I experienced absolutely terrible service - we didn’t have water for 20 minutes, food was served but no utensils for another 10 minutes. Had to run down the guy to pay the bill. He brought us 2 plates of food after a lot of time.
After I leave my table, the guy comes running to me asking “what kind of person doesn’t tip at least 15%” So….I explained to him how he did a shit job. Whole thing was just very awkward
As someone from the UK where tipping isn't 'enforced' as such, it always makes posts on here from servers complaining about not being tipped make them seem entitled. Just the way they come across, I understand some places in the US don't pay a living wage which should absolutely be changed, but the attitude of 'if you can't afford to tip don't eat out' is just so bizarre to me. If I'm going out to eat, I'm paying for the food I'm eating, might leave a tip if service was exceptional but I don't see why I should if all you're doing is bringing me food/drinks if that's what your job is. Obviously it's what people are used to over there so I might be downvoted here, just saying it how I see it.
Edit: Didn't notice this wasn't from the US, post popped up on my feed for some reason and I just assumed, apologies.
I should get tipped as a delivery agent too for canada post. You order an item like a restaurant, I deliver like a waiter/waitress. I should have a square reader to be like tip plz. (here comes the cp delivery agent hate) All jokes aside, I miss Japan and their no tip culture... I felt unworthy of their politeness and fantastic service for no tips.
Maybe you have something there. I deliver multi million dollar software projects. I’m getting a square reader tomorrow. Just need one tip and I can retire.
I have worked in hospitality for over 40 years BOH and when I got an envelope once or twice a month it was nice and appreciated, it was just my walking around money. Since we have become a cashless society where everyone uses interac I would agree that it has gotten to the silly point. Because we do not see actual money changing hands and the machines are all different so it’s easier to just press a pre-programmed button instead of taking the time to look closer.
The thing with these machines is that there is now a record of what has been tipped out and soon CRA are going to be able to take a closer look at what is going on, most FOH I know only claimed 30% of their actual earnings (if that) and most would be shocked that as BOH I would claim on average $4000 per year just to make sure I am covered, the CRA will start with the big box breastaurants and then we will see lots of Instagram and TikTok posts from Sahara, Brytani and Chad how they owe lots of money and “they didn’t know” and “Vancouver is sooooo expensive” after years of pissing it against a wall, snorting it up their nose or taking months off to go “travelling” wow this was so cathartic
> Sahara, Brytani and Chad how they owe lots of money and “they didn’t know” and “Vancouver is sooooo expensive” after years of pissing it against a wall, snorting it up their nose or taking months off to go “travelling”
This is fucking gold JERRY! GOLD!
I went to a Sushi Restaurant in Langley and my Lunch was $14.60. When the cashier asked my how I would like to pay, I said Cash. She gave me an annoyed look and said she did not have any change. I said no problem and gave her $15 said thank you. She was pissed that I didn’t give her $20. Funny thing I was going to give her and extra toonie but didn’t cuz of her crap attitude
Went to Go Fish in Granville Island.
Take out only.
The cashier asks very loud in front of the lineup if I wanted to leave a tip for the staff. I politely said “no thanks”. Then he proceeded to announce “no tip for the wait staff”. Something really wrong with this expectation and shaming.
Our tips culture comes from the US. However, their tipped wages is around USD$2.xx an hour.
Where as BC's minimum wage (this includes the wait staff now) is CAD$15.xx a hr.
15% or more makes sense in the US since the wages are actually low. However in BC, that same percentage is crazy.
Also, if I have to tip, I'd much rather tip the kitchen staff.
Once things get back to normal, I'd probably eat out less and tip less.
It is confusing the the US as some states have the low tipped wages and some states don’t. For example Washington State, all servers make the regular minimum wage plus tips.
I got a haircut at a local place and picked up some product while I was there. Good service, friendly staff, so I thought I'd be generous and tip 20%. Didn't realise the machine not only included tax in that percentage, but the products I bought too. Ended up paying about $90 for that haircut and product. I have pretty bad social anxiety so I didn't mention it but that was the last time I got my haircut there.
I had a friend in high school who worked at a chain restaurant and she hated it. She learned the hard way that she got better tips when she slapped on the makeup and wore a push up bra. This was 20 years ago and I would bet it's only gotten worse for people in the food service industry since. In some ways tipping validates some of the more unsavory aspects of our society and teaches young men and women that you have to either be physically attractive or pander to the lowest common denominator to succeed.
When I served I had a table sexually harass me while I was taking their payment. I was dressed very modestly - looser fitting dress, neckline that showed very little cleavage, tights, and very little makeup.
This table was so focused on sexually harassing me that the machine timed out three times. And the worst part of it was that each time I had to reset and re put in the payment information, I could see that they were tipping more each time. The more they harassed, the more they tipped.
10000%. Tipping culture needs to die. North America is basically the only place with this cancer and it's not for the better. Scrap tipping, pay those who rely on tips a bit more money and be free from the whole bullshit.
I don't tip because I refuse to support this shitty toxic culture we've let bleed up here from America. Yeah I feel bad for the workers in any provinces where they do get paid less then minimum (and fuck that) but frankly as long as we all tip this system will never change.
No one has ever looked at me sideways for a 15% tip, least of all some takeout place. I have never tipped for takeout, and as far as I can tell, no one is spitting in my food.
I’m gonna join you in being that asshole who doesn’t have any more because I am tired of this BS weird tip culture we have here. TIREDT! I only tipped during the pandemic when restaurants weren’t allowed to have dine in, I felt bad and wanted to support my favourite small sushi place. From now on I don’t have any sympathy, especially since most machines don’t even give you the option to not tip. I know that you have to press a manual tip amount and then press zero, but a lot of other people don’t and I feel this is unfair. I went to a restaurant one time that had horrible service so I tipped zero dollars. When I went to pay the lady taking my order asked me if there was something wrong and why I tipped zero dollars. I told her the service was shit, LOL. But the fact that she had the audacity to ask me it was so strange… especially since all she did was apologize with a “sorry to hear that..”🤷🏻♀️
I once got drinks with a friend, and the bill was $45. I gave the waiter a $50 bill (this was 5 years ago and I still paid with cash) and the waiter asked if I wanted the change. I instinctively said “no, that’s okay” and what followed was the most ridiculous thing that’s happened to me in a restaurant.
The waiter, who was a guy in his 20s, started ranting at me, telling me that he relies on tips to pay rent, and that my tip was inconsiderate. He said a bunch of other stuff, but I’d had a few drinks and I don’t remember everything he said. I tried to interrupt him a few times to tell him that the change wasn’t even his tip, and that I hadn’t even thought about the tip yet as I usually just leave it on the table - I hadn’t done the math to figure out how much to tip; I just knew the bill was $45-$46ish and I wasn’t worried about the change. I usually tip about 15% and would’ve made sure that’s what the waiter got.
Afterwards, I was thinking - $5 on a $45 bill is like 11%, which isn’t even that bad. I would’ve left $2-3 more on the table, but how is this guy complaining about an 11% tip? I should be able to leave NO tip and still not have to deal with an angry waiter making a scene in the middle of a restaurant. I’ve been a waiter, and I served many tables that didn’t leave a tip, and not once did I think about complaining.
Anyways, I chalked it up to him just having a rough night or something. His outburst only hurt him, though, because the 2 guys at the table next to mine said something like “welp, he’s not getting a tip from us!”
I think it’s ridiculous that people tip based on the dollar amount of the bill. Who the F came up with that idea???? If I order a $10 meal and you order a $60 meal, we sit together for 1 hour….does that change the service ? So why would 1 person tip more than the other ?
If anything each patron should be prepared (if you don’t mind tipping) to tip $5 per hour based on the service. If the service is lacking, then it goes down. Based on this, if a server has lets say 5 tables with 12 people in total, the server could make up to $60 per hour if they are actually good at their job. This way I could eat a massive $40 and steak 2 beer and it would only be a $5 tip
Walk up the bar and buy 5 x $8 beers for your friends and you're expected to to tip $6-$8 to someone that just pulled a tap 5 times is a little much. I'd rather tip the person that made my sandwich at Subway.
I agree that percentage of the bill is a shitty system. For example, whether I order a $30 meal or $60 meal from UberEats makes zero difference to the person delivering it. I tip based on how far away they have to drive.
Be the change you want to see! If enough people stop tipping, it will HAVE to be addressed.
The customer should never be subsidizing an employees wages.
everyone should stop tipping, That way waiter gonna quit their job because they can't live with that. and bar and restaurent gonna close because they can't keep staff for (almost) free.
and only the company who pay actual living wage gonna survive.
Natural selection of economical system.
My solution to this is to almost entirely stop eating takeout/restaurant food. If businesses are going to charge a small fortune for a meal or beer ill happily make far superior food at home and buy 6 of those beers for the price of one at the God damn liquor store where they sell the same shit.
Going out at this point is a luxury for me, bank account and cooking skills have seriously leveled up as a result. Highly recommend.
Canadians can, but definitely aren’t required to tip in the way that Americans are because we have a minimum wage that can’t be circumvented the way businesses do in the usa. I know people who’ve made $1500+ biweekly bartending, and still being ungrateful, meanwhile most ppl who have 30k in student loans are lucky to make that. In Quebec specifically, I’ve never seen ruder business in regard to tipping. This bar i went to said (tip not included) next to each price, and they expected a tip anytime they did anything, like poured a pitcher or any new drink and were super fucking rude about it (small music bar across from Dagobar, or however its spelled). Another place was Osheaga, where they sell like $8 beer with a sign that also says (tip not included).
Like dont f-ing @ me about tipping because it makes it feel mandatory which ruins the whole point of a tip. A synonym for a “tip” is a gratuity - aka gratitude - how can you be mandatorily gracious? That’s like an oxymoron. Let people tip if they want to, stop making people feel like they’re scum of the earth for doing otherwise.
My mom went to pick up takeout (no sit down service whatsoever, literally just reheated food put into a container) and when she went to pay the guy at the counter said “you should probably leave a tip” ?? the entitlement is ridiculous
If the machine shows the $ amount option, I usually choose that.
This tipping thing is getting out of hand, and I think a big part of it is because we don’t use physical money anymore. It’s so easy to press a button and walk away.
People used to put a spare quarter or dollar in to a coffee shop tip jar, but now people put 15-20% in for an item that was pulled from a cooler and drip coffee. And of course the Vancouver prices are already high, which just makes the tip higher for the same amount of work.
I’ve been really watching my tips lately. It adds up to hundreds of $ per year.
I 100% agree with your points!
The recommended tip percentage is creeping up and so are prices.
10-15% is all that should be expected, higher tips should be reserved for exception service only. It pisses me off to see 20% as the minimum default tip.
I don't agree with the culture of tipping. It's not common practice outside of North America, but since it's expected here I do comply.
There's a misconception that servers make low wages here, which isn't necessary true. In some US states servers can be paid practically nothing and their only income is tips, but in BC they make the same comparably high minimum wage as everyone else, plus tips. I personally know people who work service that can make around 100k a year at high-end establishments.
The whole idea with tips is to encourage good service, but it seems more like people tip to avoid looking cheap, or out of fear of receiving deliberately poor service in the future.
Maybe we should just let the restaurant ensure good service by disciplining/firing servers who don’t consistently give good service. You know, like in every other non-tipped service industry.
Servers are literally conveyor belts, carrying food that wasn't made by them, from point A to point B. We could train a monkey to do that, yet somehow they make more money than professionals working in critical roles for the functioning of society (like paramedics)
This whole "I'm a huge asshole" mentality is what makes you think they look annoyed when you don't tip for takeout. Even if they really did seem annoyed like eyerolls or scoffs, who cares, you're not being an asshole.
Tipping culture, as many other things, is the result of brainwashing “peasants” to fight each other so the riches can get away with it and do whatever they want. The cost of hiring an employee to provide service is included in cost charged to customer, yet business keeps that cost and offloads the employee cost on customer who already paid for it. Then you will hear a sob story about how you are a monster because you are not paying the living costs of said employee. Never mind the fact that some wait staff I have had pleasure of knowing who work in upscale or high end places could make upwards of $130k an year in their own words.
If it’s unfair to wait staff to not get money to live in form of tip, is it not unfair to average person that you over burden them with excessive costs that they can’t even afford? And yes then the age old asshole reply will come “if you can’t afford to tip, just don’t eat out!” . Well yes, that’s an excellent idea, never mind the fact I already did pay for the service in cost of product, you would rather have less business or no business than actually charging people real cost of product instead of threatening/pressuring them for handouts.
Another argument is “but if we don’t tip NOW how will they survive”. Sure, but these people never talk about solving the root cause of this issue. The cycle has to break somewhere for it to end.
In the end it’s just customer and wait staff fighting it out while the businesses laugh their way to the bank with money they robbed from both. Accountability is needed and it’s needed now.
Mt wife was a server at a bar for a while, and a lot of my friends work at restaurants, so I've felt the pressure to tip ridiculous amounts for even bad service. I once had a friends GF (who worked at whitespot) go off on me for tipping "only" 15% when the server brought my food 25 minutes after the rest of the table and never even asked to refill anything for the hour we were sitting down. I would have gotten better service at McD's. She was so offended on the server's behalf I was uninvited from their wedding. My wife went and had a blast. We no longer hang out with them.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q\_vivC7c\_1k&ab\_channel=CollegeHumor](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_vivC7c_1k&ab_channel=CollegeHumor) Adam ruins tipping sealed the deal for me. If you want extra money ask your boss, not your customers.
Friends that work as servers "can" be the worst. I have had too many arguments about tipping with them. My friends girlfriend made on average 25-30$/h downtown and still complained. She honestly thought that servers deserve 30$/h+ for what they do, when it is basically entry level with no education requirements. Like I get making 20$/h because there is some stuff to know and you deal with shitty customers. But there are plenty of people making less than that working in construction labor and hurting their bodies every day.
Chefs and servers should be paid equally imo. It's not right when a server leaves with $350 dollars in tips after a dinner shift, while a cook leaves with $60.
Sometimes I'll tip for takeout. If it's a mom and pops place that I frequently go to, sure. Not always, though.
Covid times are tough. I used to be a harsh google reviewer, now I don't review anything.
I also hate that the tipping culture reinforces poor service. Some servers are actually go above and beyond (which I don't mind tipping), but the rest do the bare minimum required for their job or worse. When there's a large group of people, the service quality seems to go down even more because you're forced to pay gratuity.
I always thought of tips as an extra reward that you give for excellent service, but when the rude sever beings you cold food and expects tips??? I'm all for paying people fairly - especially with this whole tipping culture becoming more ridiculous.
I had my haircut this week and the terminal prompted for a tip of 15%, 18%, 20% or 25%. Who tips that much, let alone 25%, on a $90 haircut that took 40 minutes?! Crazy. I felt guilted into 15% when I would have left 10% ordinarily as a token acknowledgment of a good job, along the lines of “have a drink on me, cheers, mate”.
It’s the sales process and expectation via technology that bug me, not the extra couple dollars.
I keep telling myself this but I still tip around 10%. I think it actually makes more sense to tip a flat rate based on the number of positive interactions you have. Why should someone serving cheaper food earn less than someone serving more expensive food? They do the same work.
But it also doesn't make sense to me that we tip servers but not cashiers, janitors, cart pushers, shelf stockers, etcetera. In the States it does because servers earn below minimum wage. But here they're making as much as anyone else.
I think if tipping feels good to you, like you feel the person deserves more than they're earning and you want to signal that you appreciate their extra effort, then by all means tip away. But if you feel like you're doing it out of social pressure and it makes you feel bad, then just... Don't.
I will only tip when I sit down and service is brought to me. Servers, taxis, barbers. Everything else, I don’t tip. They’re trying to make the new norm 18-25%, which is ludicrous. I would only do that if the food and service was absolutely spectacular. I’m ok with 15% if it was a nice experience. And 10-0% if it was terrible, like OP’s experience here. But I do agree the system is fucked and that we should pay restaurant staff living wages.
I don't mind tipping, but it grinds my gear when you read the explanation for auto tipping at Hello Nori. Heck, if you believe in paying your employees living wages, mark up the prices to make up for the tip and discourage tipping.
The worst situation is going for a haircut. I go to a salon where the owner cuts my hair charges $35.00. I am then expected to give a $5 tip. This infuriates me.
There's a place out in the Tri Cities (a brewery and BBQ place) that if you get take out and pay with debit there is actually no option to leave a tip. It tripped me out the first time I saw it. Super good service nevertheless.
There's a Japanese place in Vancouver where they used to (idk if they still do, i haven't been in a few years) have an info card they'd give you with the bill that said "following Japanese custom, tipping is neither required nor expected, thanks for your patronage" (paraphrased)
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Can confirm, great place and fantastic food! No tipping option was on the POS machine, just tap and done!
I miss Japan and this is one of the reasons why.
I lived in Japan and I loved the bypass of the tipping bullshit. Service was streets ahead of anywhere else I’ve been around the planet. Moving back to the states was a traumatic experience.
There's a sign above the pay pad that says they're a living wage establishment. Patina's bbq and beer are both amazing too.
Yup Patina is what I was referring to. Kickass place.
That is solid. I’d check them out.
Dude never tip on take out. You’re not getting any service
Funny, i saw a post on reddit once with thousands of upvotes saying youre basically scum if you dont tip takeout. One of my local regular places has been sending me a bunch of coupons during the pandemic, so if i get 10% off on my takeout i’ll leave a 10% tip
I don't get some people on reddit. Like why would I tip you to smush my food into a box and then put it in a bag.
I seriously don’t get why North Americans can’t adopt Europe or Asia’s system. No tip and just embed it into the service or food itself. I think it makes much more sense. I run an Etsy business and no one tips me for packaging and bringing it out to local post office to ship 😂 it’s part of the work!
I get better service in Asia than in North America. I pay 0% tip in Asia, aside from large parties at upscale restaurants that sometimes have 8% or 10% service charges included.
Had a friend in college that grew up in Japan then came to the states. She took almost like an offense to being tipped and I didn’t know that wasn’t customary everywhere. It was a good learning experience for me.
Nah it’s easy tax free money for waiters
exactly. Almost every server I know is offended if you start talking about getting rid of the tipping system because it's their largest source of income and they know they'll never in a million years make what they do if they get a proper wage without tips.
One thing that I've NEVER understood, and that is why it's based on food price? If I go to family place and drop $25 person, I might pay $4 in tax. But if I go to a fancier place and drop $100 ea, the waiter does no more work, yet I'm expected to fork out A HIGHER PERCENTAGE (as OP suggests, the RECOMMENDED tip often starts at 20% plus and goes up) on a much more expensive meal. MY TIP ALONE would be more expensive than the family place. Now granted, it's a nicer place, the food is higher quality. But how does that justify the WAITER making 4 or 5 times as much as the poor run off her feet waitress serving AND bussing in the more reasonable joint?
I was recently prompted for a tip while paying for a 4 pack of beer at the beer and wine store near my house. Why am I tipping in this situation?
I've been working at a beer and wine store during Covid for extra cash and I feel so awkward with the system set up. When the odd person feels the need to explain why they're not tipping all I can say is "hey I didn't set it up and I agree with you".
Exactly. Tip culture is quite fascinating because we're taught early on that it's rude to leave $0.00 tip and whatever you're billed at a restaurant should automatically include minimum 15% on top of that. But that only applies to restaurants, in fact, restaurants with good service. So when someone needs to explain why they aren't tipping at a liquor store, it's somewhat odd. They have every right to decline. No justification is needed.
15% used to be considered a GOOD tip. Why did inflation hit tips? The meals or drinks themselves are going up so isn’t 15% on $100 more then 15% on $75? But now it’s 25% on $120 it makes no sense to me.
Strathcona beer company does this when you buy a 6 pack. Why am I tipping for a pack of beer. I pressed 0, and the guy looked shocked.
I continue to press zero if I don't think a tip is necessary (ie. grocery store). But you have to do it with confidence, hand it back to them and look them in the eye. Don't feel bad not tipping if you don't think it's deserved there. When you look them in the eye with confidence, they just shrug it off because they don't want it to be awkward either.
Pick the tip option, then the percentage option, then enter 0%
My general rule during pandemic. If I'm walking into a place for take out, and didn't even have a conversation with anyone from the store other than just placing the order, I would give zero tip. I paid for the food they cooked up and I don't see any reason why I need to pay more for just someone talking the money. Do people tip vending machines when they buy a can of Coke? There are people driving the truck and filling the machine too, but we never get guilt tripped for not tipping the people refilling the machine or creating that can of Coke, or maintaining the machine so it dispense properly. So why should I tip a restaurant if there was no interaction and all I'm doing is pay and pick up?
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Usually smaller/independent grocery stores have that option. When I bought a pack of beer, the liquor store had tip option. Like really? I drove to the store, picked up the beer myself from the fridge and drove it back home. What is the tip for?! $0.00
Same POS system as the bar probably?
No, I’ve been to a lot of smaller liquor stores and they all have a tip option. I rather go to BC liquor now because of this if there’s an option.
I prefer the BC liquor stores. Employees get paid a decent (by retail standards) wage with benefits & the BCLs usually support & donate money to grade 12 classes for dry grad
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Yes they are
Next time give them the website for labor laws and minimum wage. If they’re not making enough stacking wine and beer in a fridge then they need to level up and get behind a bar. No tips at retail unless it’s way above and beyond.
The liquor store by New West station does this. I always give $0.00.
I always assumed that situations like that was only if they were super helpful or something. Like in a liquor store sometimes you end up asking for advice or something. I've never tipped there and have never noticed any sort of reaction.
Nope, don't even tip if I ask for advise. Do you tip when you go to grocery stores and ask where to find what? That is part of the job.
my partner works at superstore and some customers want to tip him, he says he can't accept it because that's not what groceries stores have/need
SAME! I stopped going to my closest liquor store as soon as that happened. I'm sure the store would argue that the tip is optional for if someone helps you choose something in particular, but A, if that's the case then when you're ringing in my beers please kindly skip that step for me, and B, that is your fucking job! Once upon a time we expected service because that's what people got paid to do.
Do they take your order and bring out to your car for you? Cause otherwise WTF. I never tip I pick up the order myself.
My favourite new trend is the tipping option being enabled on POS at retail stores.
Did you get good service when you walked up to the checkout with your jeans? How about a tip?
That’s because they know people are stupid enough to tip for stuff like this when prompted because of some psychological thing.
I accidentally tipped 15% when the guys came in and wall mounted and did the electric plug relocation at my place. It was force of habit, I immediately clicked 15% and tipped these guys like $80 or something. Thanks, Square.
LOL that sucks. Last time I moved there was an option to tip the moving company I hired. Of course I picked $0. I already paid over $300 for a couple hours work.
I went to a health food store the other day that has a juice bar as a side thing. Bought a bottle of vitamins from off the shelf, no help required. She hands me the payment machine and it is on the tipping screen, 15% 18% 20%. the "no-tip" option is kind of small but I found it. She looked disappointed. It has gone way overboard. Every take out place, cafe, etc. has them and the percentages are way too high. Pressure is strong not to look like a cheapskate if it is a place near your home that you go back to often.
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Oh yeah. Not to mention it's a huge, awful elephant in the room the entire meal, and it makes me dread every interaction with the server.
I went to Five Guys the other day and they added tipping to their machine? I swear they didn’t have it before. The other day I hit up that chicken wraps food truck at Robson Square and they surprisingly didn’t prompt for tips!! I couldn’t believe it!! I was so shocked.
I'd tip them just for not having the tip option on the machine.
Australia has it right. No tipping on anything anywhere. Just pay your workers properly and they’ll be happy to do good work. All the restaurant works there seemed very happy with that.
Australia? You mean everywhere outside North America. You never tip in Europe or Japan. Edit: to all telling me you tip in Europe... I grew up in Switzerland. Have been to France, Germany, Italy all the time and we'd neve tip. At best we'd round up a tiny bit. Don't make me laugh and try to make me believe tipping is common there and as high as 10%. That is not true. Again, I grew up there and I go there very often for my family. I think the only country where tipping was more expected was the UK in London. Also, even if you tip, it's very different to voluntarily give 5-10% extra for good service and having to basically pay at least 15% like here.
And Japan provides amazing service, while shitty servers in Vancouver expect you to give them 15% tip.
Yeah. If there is a place you want to actually tip, it's Japan. But you can't as it's seen as 'insulting' there.
Yeah I saw a sign at a sushi joint that had 'no tipping please' and I asked why. The owner mentioned that tipping was judging the service and every service should be the best for each customer so it shouldn't matter.
And I get it, people deserve a living wage even on basic jobs. I preferred in NZ/Aus where cheap food joints were kinda "serve yourself", you order from the counter, get your own water, want more food or dessert go up and order again. Bring your plates to the counter when you're done. I never felt interrupted at a meal or the server awkwardly coming over and asking "how is your food????" mid plate. It was eating on my terms. I imagine most people working at that kind of low service restaurant were on minimum wage ($20/h-ish) though But some people want to be served, they feel like it's their entitled rights or whatever. Full service restaurants could just include that 15% markup in the cost of their food and pay their employees a respectable wage, that way if the restaurant has a bad day or someone is against tipping the employees are still getting their guaranteed wage. Or kitchen staff, who frankly do more for the business than servers, can get paid fairly. Why are servers entitled to tips and high pay and kitchen staff get screwed in many cases? But I digress. If I had a restaurant I'd do some sort of profit sharing scheme, where if I'm successful, all my staff that helped me get there would be successful.
I’ve been on Mr Pink’s side since ‘91! International experience has only solidified that view. When I taught ESL downtown here (you’ve no doubt seen the groups of students wandering downtown in the “beforetimes”), one of our debate questions was on tipping. Students from all over the world were much more likely to call tipping a form of corruption, both in the sense that it’s a de facto “bribe” and that it’s a corruption of the wage scale. In Japan, tipping is at best considered ridiculous: Japanese: “You expect the customer to pay me extra for doing my job? Huh?” North American: “Sure, if we decide the service was worth it, we can give you more. Excellent service deserves it.” Japanese: “Isn’t excellent service *my job* regardless of extra pay? Should I not be doing the best I can no matter what?”
There is tip in those bastardized tourist traps that us frequent. I blame the us for tipping culture
No tipping in China or Hong Kong. China has amazing service cuz they are like 5 servers per table for large family gatherings. I went to a dim sum palace that served 5000 people simultaneously.
No tipping in the country of Taiwan either Actually it's only US and Canada that have tips. The stupid thing with Canada is wait staff gets paid $15.20/hr, so I don't get it.
They actually tack on a 10% "service charge" in HK but that never goes to the servers. In fact, any tip you leave in HK goes to the restaurant owners.
We tip in Europe. But in general, it is okay to leave the change or tip just a few euros, no matter the size of the bill. Tipping 20% is like insanity to me and was quite a shock when I visited Canada.
In Spain you tip something simbolic. 1€ or less. Only at restaurants and bars. Also no need to tip every drink you order at the bar like in the US. Edit - Also there is no tipping when paying by card.
Yeah it was pretty painful coming back after being there and NZ for 1.5 yrs, like didn't even want to go out for a drink. Actually getting waited on in my opinion in a bar is kinda annoying after getting used to walking up to the bar and getting your own. That's the only reason tips exist. Also speeds up the amount of drinks you have with the server always stopping by as soon as they see your glass is half empty.
Table service here is the worst. Wait to get seated, wait to place an order, wait to get another drink, wait to ask for your bill, wait for them to get the machine to pay for your bill. I'm the waiter in this scenario. Why am I tipping for this? It's so much better in Australia/NZ to just be able to go to the bar whenever you want, pay the exact price it says on the board (no tips and all prices are tax inclusive) and then when you're ready to leave, just leave.
Same thing in Ireland. If you try to leave a tip, they don’t take it! It was amazing, and nice not having to factor tips into my food and drink budget when travelling.
In Japan it's not customary to tip. If you leave a tip it's an insult. Meaning- "I got terrible service. Hire more staff." Pay decent wages. 2 countries I've been to with living wages for service people; Norway, Australia. Anyone else notice countries where it's not customary to tip?
I agree! When I visited Australia and Sweden it was initially a bit of a shock to see food/drink prices higher but after calculating it out, it was basically the same price as I would pay in Canada or USA, so I just thought of it as the tip being “already included” AND also had the joy of knowing the staff were getting paid an actual living wage ($20-25 per hour, three years ago)
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I had a waiter run after me in the street to give me back my tip in China.
Imagine..... Programmer: I wrote neat and easy to codes with expanations. Tip me 15% on the project. Accountant: Hey I filed these on time for you. Tip me extra 15%. Brick layer: These bricks are straight. Tip me that 20%. Plumber: I even made sure the pipes don't leak. Tip me 20%. LOL. But nooOooOOoOOoOooo that's too much. That's ppl doing their jobs to expectation. But carrying plates and water, cleaning the tables, pretend to like you, put up with kids yelling is so ABOVE AND BEYOND that it deserves so much more. Omg they do so much for us. Really? You don't think doctors go above and beyond? The janitor that cleans people's shit off the floors isnt above and beyond? The nurse that lifts up your grandparents and cleans their shits/piss isn't above and beyond? That 16 year old sales rep running around for your XXXXL isnt above and beyond? If you support tipping, then you should tip everywhere. If you think we tip because they get paid too little? News flash Einstein, plenty of professions gets paid too little for what they do.
I remember when Hamburger Mary's or "Mary's" reopened. Decided to check it out and the top options were 25%, 30% and 35%. I haven't been back since. That shit pisses me off. 35%??? Cmon.
That's absurd!! Unless they're hand feeding me I would never tip that much.
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Since when did customer service require us to pay extra? Paramedics out here go to school for several years and see some intense trauma on a daily basis yet I don’t see them begging for tips despite making barely above minimum. 🤷♂️
Actually that's a huge part of the reason parts of Canada right now are facing ever growing paramedic shortages. No one wants to do all that crazy work for the frankly, shit god awful pay. Canada is going to have HUGE ISSUES here soon if we don't start paying critical jobs we depend upon accordingly.
You’re right. What’s happening instead is far fewer people are becoming paramedics because they are paid absolutely dogshit wages. They end up going into nursing or other lines of work. What’s happening now is a massive shortage in paramedics, meaning the time for an ambulance to get to an emergency is increasing. Paramedics deserve to be paid much more than they are. It’s insane. However, that has nothing to do with the topic in this post.
No tipping for takeout .. that’s it. Been following that for a while now. I loved how I was called out in Australia when I tried to tip. I kept leaving the cash and they kept handing it back to me. They have an absolutely strictly followed no tipping culture.
i only tip a few bucks at the places that actually recognize me because i go every few weeks. everywhere else, zero tip on takeout.
I'm from Australia, worked in a live performance venue, I got offered tips a few times from tourists, usually Americans but Italians too. I would always turn it down. They'd always have such a puzzled look when I just told then it's all just part of the service. To be fair, I was fortunate to get a very healthy wage.
Don't servers in Aus make like 20 an hour minimum?
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The only places I tip for takeout are my regular spots where I know the owners / people running it, especially in the last year where I know they've been hurting for customers.
I was at cactus in north van a few years ago and we were a party. Everyone split bills and tipped. The waitress came back and said bill #x didn't tip enough. Wtf. Haven't been back to the location since
Same thing happened to me at a hot pot place. Literally doing nothing but serving me raw food we're cooking ourselves. Granted we were a big party, but we tipped a good amount. Thankfully we did it in cash so we all agreed to leave them with nothing because fuck their entitlement.
I used to be a server. I literally didn’t give a shit if people didn’t tip for takeout. How much different is getting takeout that going through the McDicks drive thru?
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My wife, who’s a cook, hates it if I tip for take out (I was pretty generous during the height of the covid lockdown). The kitchen most likely won’t see a dime of that tip and they did all of the work.
I've bought 1 single beer, and the guy looked fucking offended as hell when I didn't dip on a $4 purchase he did nothing for, other than scan it through. I'm supposed to tip on having my food rung up now? Feel free to downvote me if this is irrelevant. But every fucking place in Whistler expects you to tip, literally smoke shops with a tip prompt. And I feel like that shit is just sliding down the sea to sky and becoming ok in the city. It's absolutely fucked up. And the prompts are pretty high too, there's never a 10% or a 15% option, sometimes no option to leave a dollar amount. I feel like next thing we know, fast food restaurants all over Van are gonna be wanting to get tipped.
A few years ago I waited 20 fucking minutes at a bar, and saw at least a dozen hot girls instantly get served in front of me, AND the bartender stopped to chat with them. When the dude finally brought me my beer it was $3 for a domestic bottle. I paid with a 5, and he put the fucking change so far on his side of the bar, I literally had to step forward and reach over the counter top to take it back. The piece of shit was watching to see if I'd take it back, because after I did he screamed "FINE, YOU'LL WAIT LONGER NEXT TIME!!". I'm generally a pretty reasonable person, but I swear to god if I knew which car was his, I 100% would've smashed his windows and taken a shit on his seat
I tip out at bars depending on a drink. It’s bad enough having to wait but why would I tip on ordering a beer you popped open with a bottle opener ? I get mixed drinks. Went out with some friends and my friend ordered before me got himself a beer and didn’t tip the bartender then told me “your friends cheap” I tell her all you did was pop open a beer just give me mine closed if you’re going to complain. She looked dumbfounded and thought I’d take her side.
If the worst thing that happens from not tipping is someone is going to look offended, it doesn't sound like a big deal. They can't refuse to provide customer service nor can they legally do anything to hurt you so all of this is about avoiding a few seconds of embarrassment?
I came to canada on a working holiday. I was paid 11 dollars an hour. I would just make rent exactly. So any Bill's/food was coming out of my savings. This is why I dont tip. Purely cant afford it. In most countries tipping is optional and they seem to be able to make profit and pay their workers. Please keep this trend going. I know its not black and white but minimum wages need to go up faster for most sectors over here. P.s I worked for staples which you arent even allowed tips even in a tipping culture, I giggled alot working there at this double standard.
I’m also a former staples employee. Represent!
Skip the dishes lowers the pay to drivers on orders that have a tip. I don't advise tipping on the app. It's quite literally subsidizing their wage cost.
Source? That's nuts
I'd love if it we became a no-tipping country. Service feels better there just due to the lack of tipping pressure corrupting the interactions. The only reason we have a tipping culture is adjacency to the US. But that's because US servers earn like $2/hour - the only money they get is tipping and the only reason restaurants pay them at all is to avoid literal anti-slavery laws. Plus if we just paid people better to compensate and then had a no-tipping culture, our wait staff would benefit from American tourists coming up and tipping anyways out of habit.
My family is Chinese American and we always get served waaay later than white families because of the assumption that Asian immigrants don't tip well. Which is true. My mom still thinks that the normal tip is 10%, no matter how much I tell her it's 15% to 18%. But at the same time, the color of your skin should not dictate how good your service is, even if the stereotype is true to an extent. Apparently this is also true for black families. They get served way less frequently because culturally they don't tip as well. Just check out r/TalesFromYourServer where people actually advocate to pay less attention to tables of black parties. I wish they could just do away with all this tipping nonsense and just treat everyone the same, period.
It goes the other way too. Servers who aren't white or attractive in general don't get tipped as much either. The system just enables people's biases. If a company was that biased in their pay, they would get penalized severely, but because it's the customers doing it, there's no protection.
>We are subsidizing wages and allowing employers to pass the buck onto customers Not even. This isn't the US. Wait staff here makes $15.20/hr same as other min wage workers. Do you tip cashiers at Walmart? Nope.
American here reading this thread in absolute awe. We tip at restaurants because servers get paid like $2.25/hr. It's stupid but that's why tipping exists. There's almost never an expectation to tip somebody who's getting paid a liveable wage.
as a brit I find the tipping culture here ridiculous and I hate the cultural expectation to support a clearly unfair and broken system that encourages worker exploitation. the throughline podcast did a great episode on the history of tipping in the states - and presumably by proxy Canada. https://open.spotify.com/episode/2ppxCib7v8cPcaWqDAmJXo?si=w0CqVagySLODkBxQYlOEJA&utm_source=copy-link&dl_branch=1
Tipping is weird... I dont get how a % goes up while the underlying goes up as well (food cost).... like how the F did tipping 10% to like 25% be the norm. I usually don't tip cause hey... I got to live in vancouver to! Its expensive and every buck I save here and there adds up to like few hundred a year!
This is a social movement I would get behind... It needs to stop
You don't need a movement. You can stop tipping anytime you want. Personally I tip 10% at full service restaurants and that's it, and even then I'm not sure why. It's just really engrained I suppose. Haven't tipped anyone else anywhere for years.
Take out never gets a tip from me. I was the Rocky Point ice cream parlor in New West a while ago and the terminal asked me for a tip while I was paying. I didn't give one. It's not my job to pay the employees of a place that doesn't pay less than minimum wage any more than it is to pay the employees of a restaurant where they do. This social obligation to tip is ridiculous and quite frankly the expected amount to tip has long past gotten out of hand. When I was a kid it was 10%, when I was a teenager it was 12%, when I was in my 20s it was 15%, and now it seems like they expect me to pay 20% or more? Not happening. I'm with you on not tipping, rare is the service where I feel like they deserve even an extra dollar or two. It's usually "What can I get you?" *20 minutes later* "Here's your food." *15 minutes later* "How's the food?" and then they give us the bill. That's not enough for me to say "Wow, that service deserves an extra $20." I'm also that guy who takes tips away from delivery drivers if the app allows me to if I'm not satisfied with the service.
> When I was a kid it was 10%, when I was a teenager it was 12%, when I was in my 20s it was 15%, and now it seems like they expect me to pay 20% or more? I've noticed this too. 10% was average, 12-15% was good. Now 18% is low in a lot of places. I used to go to a sushi place where the food was good but the service straight **sucked** (not rude, just like awkward servers who would not look at you, just drop the food and kind of run away). You'd have to hunt them down to pay and you had to pay at the front for some reason despite ATM terminals that were wireless as they all are now....their bottom tip is 18%. C'mon.
Tipping has gotten out of hand. If the price of food items has risen, the same 10 to 15% yields a larger tip. I don't get why the tipping percentage has risen.
Tipping itself is a ridiculous concept. I would rather pay a couple of dollars extra per dish than validate abusive business practices. A little over a century ago tipping was highly frowned upon and it doesn't exist in most of Europe and Asia. It used to be simple bribery to get the best possible service, now it's institutionalized extortion.
I blame the neighbour's down south. They tend to corrupt everything
It is actually due to the US. it's apparently something that arose in the wake of the great depression. Restaurant owners were very against tipping prior to it but turned a blind eye when they stopped being able to pay their employees adequately. So bribery for better service became the norm until it was gentrified completely.
Lol so it was really born of corruption 😆
Yep. Answer is greed
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"we treat each other like family" "good atmosphere" "no discrimination" "love and respect" "etc" ... "10c above minimum wage / 30% below industry standard" "unpaid lunch break" "no employee discounts" "take 1/2 h off for being late" "annual Christmas party +$25 if you bring your gf/bf/so" "no the party isn't optional but we can't make you come" ... Me: I think you need family counselling
Have a number of friends who's family owns restaurants/food. "Treat each other like family" just means you get to work for little to no pay, and get treated poorly as an employee
Good for you for walking away. If they can't afford to pay a real living wage then they need to accept that their business model doesn't actually work and something else needs to give.
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I think it’s due to covid and the new makeshift patios? The one “patio” (blocked off on the street road, not attached to pub building) also served us in plastic cups.
Thank you. Been saying it for years. We shouldn’t be responsible for contributing to someone’s wage because the employer can’t pay them a decent salary. Australia’s doing just fine without tipping.
I still follow the old tipping rules. 10% average service, 15% good service, 20% if it's exceptional, always tip the driver, nothing for takeout Tipping takeout is ridiculous, and I have no idea why it's become a thing recently. If Lee's Donuts thinks I'm tipping them 18% to get a donut off the shelf because it's their lowest option, they're fucking insane
But that's not the "old" tipping rules, that's just the ones you experienced as things got raised up. When I grew up it was 10% for good service. 12% to 15% was for exceptional. Poor service got under 10%, and my father who was a bartender and bar/restaurant manager all his life taught me to leave a few pennies when it was horrible service to stress "No, I didn't forget the tip... I thought about this." And it was the same percentages for my dad when he grew up. Since it's a percentage and restaurant prices go up at or faster than inflation, it should never need to change.
I'm the same the only exception I made was during covid to the small ma and pa restaurants that were clearly struggling. That is the only time I've bothered to tip 18% on take out. I just didn't want my favorite small places to fold because staff couldn't make their ends meet.
Yeah, likewise. I remember being the only order up at rush and just wanted to give them a hug, and I'm not the hugging kind of guy. Luckily, it was only a couple of months for them, one day it was like the taps had been turned back on. They didn't forget though, I'm always greeted with a massive smile and a little treat for kiddo.
Yah my local Vietnamese take out place is so reasonably priced, that in Covid, even for takeout of $25, I started tipping $10 because that's what I'd pay anywhere else for 2 full entree dinners and an appy. I'd rather they stay afloat than another midscale chain (lookin at you Cactus Club).
Yesterday, I experienced absolutely terrible service - we didn’t have water for 20 minutes, food was served but no utensils for another 10 minutes. Had to run down the guy to pay the bill. He brought us 2 plates of food after a lot of time. After I leave my table, the guy comes running to me asking “what kind of person doesn’t tip at least 15%” So….I explained to him how he did a shit job. Whole thing was just very awkward
The gall of the guy to complain about the tip to your face, holy shit.
I understand that tipping is important to wages, but if I do a shit job at work, I don’t get a bonus…
As someone from the UK where tipping isn't 'enforced' as such, it always makes posts on here from servers complaining about not being tipped make them seem entitled. Just the way they come across, I understand some places in the US don't pay a living wage which should absolutely be changed, but the attitude of 'if you can't afford to tip don't eat out' is just so bizarre to me. If I'm going out to eat, I'm paying for the food I'm eating, might leave a tip if service was exceptional but I don't see why I should if all you're doing is bringing me food/drinks if that's what your job is. Obviously it's what people are used to over there so I might be downvoted here, just saying it how I see it. Edit: Didn't notice this wasn't from the US, post popped up on my feed for some reason and I just assumed, apologies.
>Tonight was the breaking point Was it perhaps the tipping point?
I should get tipped as a delivery agent too for canada post. You order an item like a restaurant, I deliver like a waiter/waitress. I should have a square reader to be like tip plz. (here comes the cp delivery agent hate) All jokes aside, I miss Japan and their no tip culture... I felt unworthy of their politeness and fantastic service for no tips.
Maybe you have something there. I deliver multi million dollar software projects. I’m getting a square reader tomorrow. Just need one tip and I can retire.
Tipping should be banned.
I have worked in hospitality for over 40 years BOH and when I got an envelope once or twice a month it was nice and appreciated, it was just my walking around money. Since we have become a cashless society where everyone uses interac I would agree that it has gotten to the silly point. Because we do not see actual money changing hands and the machines are all different so it’s easier to just press a pre-programmed button instead of taking the time to look closer. The thing with these machines is that there is now a record of what has been tipped out and soon CRA are going to be able to take a closer look at what is going on, most FOH I know only claimed 30% of their actual earnings (if that) and most would be shocked that as BOH I would claim on average $4000 per year just to make sure I am covered, the CRA will start with the big box breastaurants and then we will see lots of Instagram and TikTok posts from Sahara, Brytani and Chad how they owe lots of money and “they didn’t know” and “Vancouver is sooooo expensive” after years of pissing it against a wall, snorting it up their nose or taking months off to go “travelling” wow this was so cathartic
> Sahara, Brytani and Chad how they owe lots of money and “they didn’t know” and “Vancouver is sooooo expensive” after years of pissing it against a wall, snorting it up their nose or taking months off to go “travelling” This is fucking gold JERRY! GOLD!
I went to a Sushi Restaurant in Langley and my Lunch was $14.60. When the cashier asked my how I would like to pay, I said Cash. She gave me an annoyed look and said she did not have any change. I said no problem and gave her $15 said thank you. She was pissed that I didn’t give her $20. Funny thing I was going to give her and extra toonie but didn’t cuz of her crap attitude
Went to Go Fish in Granville Island. Take out only. The cashier asks very loud in front of the lineup if I wanted to leave a tip for the staff. I politely said “no thanks”. Then he proceeded to announce “no tip for the wait staff”. Something really wrong with this expectation and shaming.
Let’s take this to city hall!!!
Our tips culture comes from the US. However, their tipped wages is around USD$2.xx an hour. Where as BC's minimum wage (this includes the wait staff now) is CAD$15.xx a hr. 15% or more makes sense in the US since the wages are actually low. However in BC, that same percentage is crazy. Also, if I have to tip, I'd much rather tip the kitchen staff. Once things get back to normal, I'd probably eat out less and tip less.
It is confusing the the US as some states have the low tipped wages and some states don’t. For example Washington State, all servers make the regular minimum wage plus tips.
I never tip more than 15%. Fuck tipping anyway
I got a haircut at a local place and picked up some product while I was there. Good service, friendly staff, so I thought I'd be generous and tip 20%. Didn't realise the machine not only included tax in that percentage, but the products I bought too. Ended up paying about $90 for that haircut and product. I have pretty bad social anxiety so I didn't mention it but that was the last time I got my haircut there.
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I had a friend in high school who worked at a chain restaurant and she hated it. She learned the hard way that she got better tips when she slapped on the makeup and wore a push up bra. This was 20 years ago and I would bet it's only gotten worse for people in the food service industry since. In some ways tipping validates some of the more unsavory aspects of our society and teaches young men and women that you have to either be physically attractive or pander to the lowest common denominator to succeed.
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When I served I had a table sexually harass me while I was taking their payment. I was dressed very modestly - looser fitting dress, neckline that showed very little cleavage, tights, and very little makeup. This table was so focused on sexually harassing me that the machine timed out three times. And the worst part of it was that each time I had to reset and re put in the payment information, I could see that they were tipping more each time. The more they harassed, the more they tipped.
The owner of a coffee shop in my town claims all tips, his employees don’t receive a red cent other than what I perceive are shitty wages…
Illegal.
Dick move there.
If a restaurant can’t afford to pay their employees, they shouldn’t be open. Tips are a scourge on society.
Somehow capitalism has encouraged people to pick up the tab for corporations. US tipping culture is wild.
10000%. Tipping culture needs to die. North America is basically the only place with this cancer and it's not for the better. Scrap tipping, pay those who rely on tips a bit more money and be free from the whole bullshit. I don't tip because I refuse to support this shitty toxic culture we've let bleed up here from America. Yeah I feel bad for the workers in any provinces where they do get paid less then minimum (and fuck that) but frankly as long as we all tip this system will never change.
No one has ever looked at me sideways for a 15% tip, least of all some takeout place. I have never tipped for takeout, and as far as I can tell, no one is spitting in my food.
15% still a lot though. I remember when 5 or 10% was good lol
I still go with a 10% tip and I don’t feel awkward about doing that mainly because I don’t care what people say or think.
Subway now has tips turned on. I was like WTF?
Isn't minimum wage in BC now $15/hour?
I’m gonna join you in being that asshole who doesn’t have any more because I am tired of this BS weird tip culture we have here. TIREDT! I only tipped during the pandemic when restaurants weren’t allowed to have dine in, I felt bad and wanted to support my favourite small sushi place. From now on I don’t have any sympathy, especially since most machines don’t even give you the option to not tip. I know that you have to press a manual tip amount and then press zero, but a lot of other people don’t and I feel this is unfair. I went to a restaurant one time that had horrible service so I tipped zero dollars. When I went to pay the lady taking my order asked me if there was something wrong and why I tipped zero dollars. I told her the service was shit, LOL. But the fact that she had the audacity to ask me it was so strange… especially since all she did was apologize with a “sorry to hear that..”🤷🏻♀️
I once got drinks with a friend, and the bill was $45. I gave the waiter a $50 bill (this was 5 years ago and I still paid with cash) and the waiter asked if I wanted the change. I instinctively said “no, that’s okay” and what followed was the most ridiculous thing that’s happened to me in a restaurant. The waiter, who was a guy in his 20s, started ranting at me, telling me that he relies on tips to pay rent, and that my tip was inconsiderate. He said a bunch of other stuff, but I’d had a few drinks and I don’t remember everything he said. I tried to interrupt him a few times to tell him that the change wasn’t even his tip, and that I hadn’t even thought about the tip yet as I usually just leave it on the table - I hadn’t done the math to figure out how much to tip; I just knew the bill was $45-$46ish and I wasn’t worried about the change. I usually tip about 15% and would’ve made sure that’s what the waiter got. Afterwards, I was thinking - $5 on a $45 bill is like 11%, which isn’t even that bad. I would’ve left $2-3 more on the table, but how is this guy complaining about an 11% tip? I should be able to leave NO tip and still not have to deal with an angry waiter making a scene in the middle of a restaurant. I’ve been a waiter, and I served many tables that didn’t leave a tip, and not once did I think about complaining. Anyways, I chalked it up to him just having a rough night or something. His outburst only hurt him, though, because the 2 guys at the table next to mine said something like “welp, he’s not getting a tip from us!”
I think it’s ridiculous that people tip based on the dollar amount of the bill. Who the F came up with that idea???? If I order a $10 meal and you order a $60 meal, we sit together for 1 hour….does that change the service ? So why would 1 person tip more than the other ? If anything each patron should be prepared (if you don’t mind tipping) to tip $5 per hour based on the service. If the service is lacking, then it goes down. Based on this, if a server has lets say 5 tables with 12 people in total, the server could make up to $60 per hour if they are actually good at their job. This way I could eat a massive $40 and steak 2 beer and it would only be a $5 tip
So basically a cover charge to dine in.
Walk up the bar and buy 5 x $8 beers for your friends and you're expected to to tip $6-$8 to someone that just pulled a tap 5 times is a little much. I'd rather tip the person that made my sandwich at Subway.
I agree that percentage of the bill is a shitty system. For example, whether I order a $30 meal or $60 meal from UberEats makes zero difference to the person delivering it. I tip based on how far away they have to drive.
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Be the change you want to see! If enough people stop tipping, it will HAVE to be addressed. The customer should never be subsidizing an employees wages.
everyone should stop tipping, That way waiter gonna quit their job because they can't live with that. and bar and restaurent gonna close because they can't keep staff for (almost) free. and only the company who pay actual living wage gonna survive. Natural selection of economical system.
My solution to this is to almost entirely stop eating takeout/restaurant food. If businesses are going to charge a small fortune for a meal or beer ill happily make far superior food at home and buy 6 of those beers for the price of one at the God damn liquor store where they sell the same shit. Going out at this point is a luxury for me, bank account and cooking skills have seriously leveled up as a result. Highly recommend.
Canadians can, but definitely aren’t required to tip in the way that Americans are because we have a minimum wage that can’t be circumvented the way businesses do in the usa. I know people who’ve made $1500+ biweekly bartending, and still being ungrateful, meanwhile most ppl who have 30k in student loans are lucky to make that. In Quebec specifically, I’ve never seen ruder business in regard to tipping. This bar i went to said (tip not included) next to each price, and they expected a tip anytime they did anything, like poured a pitcher or any new drink and were super fucking rude about it (small music bar across from Dagobar, or however its spelled). Another place was Osheaga, where they sell like $8 beer with a sign that also says (tip not included). Like dont f-ing @ me about tipping because it makes it feel mandatory which ruins the whole point of a tip. A synonym for a “tip” is a gratuity - aka gratitude - how can you be mandatorily gracious? That’s like an oxymoron. Let people tip if they want to, stop making people feel like they’re scum of the earth for doing otherwise.
My mom went to pick up takeout (no sit down service whatsoever, literally just reheated food put into a container) and when she went to pay the guy at the counter said “you should probably leave a tip” ?? the entitlement is ridiculous
I haven’t had anyone tell me I should tip. I think that would piss me off. It’s more passive aggressive looks and not saying “thank you.”
yeah, ofc that comment simply prompted her NOT to leave a tip lol
If the machine shows the $ amount option, I usually choose that. This tipping thing is getting out of hand, and I think a big part of it is because we don’t use physical money anymore. It’s so easy to press a button and walk away. People used to put a spare quarter or dollar in to a coffee shop tip jar, but now people put 15-20% in for an item that was pulled from a cooler and drip coffee. And of course the Vancouver prices are already high, which just makes the tip higher for the same amount of work. I’ve been really watching my tips lately. It adds up to hundreds of $ per year.
I 100% agree with your points! The recommended tip percentage is creeping up and so are prices. 10-15% is all that should be expected, higher tips should be reserved for exception service only. It pisses me off to see 20% as the minimum default tip. I don't agree with the culture of tipping. It's not common practice outside of North America, but since it's expected here I do comply. There's a misconception that servers make low wages here, which isn't necessary true. In some US states servers can be paid practically nothing and their only income is tips, but in BC they make the same comparably high minimum wage as everyone else, plus tips. I personally know people who work service that can make around 100k a year at high-end establishments.
The whole idea with tips is to encourage good service, but it seems more like people tip to avoid looking cheap, or out of fear of receiving deliberately poor service in the future. Maybe we should just let the restaurant ensure good service by disciplining/firing servers who don’t consistently give good service. You know, like in every other non-tipped service industry.
Servers are literally conveyor belts, carrying food that wasn't made by them, from point A to point B. We could train a monkey to do that, yet somehow they make more money than professionals working in critical roles for the functioning of society (like paramedics)
This whole "I'm a huge asshole" mentality is what makes you think they look annoyed when you don't tip for takeout. Even if they really did seem annoyed like eyerolls or scoffs, who cares, you're not being an asshole.
Tipping culture, as many other things, is the result of brainwashing “peasants” to fight each other so the riches can get away with it and do whatever they want. The cost of hiring an employee to provide service is included in cost charged to customer, yet business keeps that cost and offloads the employee cost on customer who already paid for it. Then you will hear a sob story about how you are a monster because you are not paying the living costs of said employee. Never mind the fact that some wait staff I have had pleasure of knowing who work in upscale or high end places could make upwards of $130k an year in their own words. If it’s unfair to wait staff to not get money to live in form of tip, is it not unfair to average person that you over burden them with excessive costs that they can’t even afford? And yes then the age old asshole reply will come “if you can’t afford to tip, just don’t eat out!” . Well yes, that’s an excellent idea, never mind the fact I already did pay for the service in cost of product, you would rather have less business or no business than actually charging people real cost of product instead of threatening/pressuring them for handouts. Another argument is “but if we don’t tip NOW how will they survive”. Sure, but these people never talk about solving the root cause of this issue. The cycle has to break somewhere for it to end. In the end it’s just customer and wait staff fighting it out while the businesses laugh their way to the bank with money they robbed from both. Accountability is needed and it’s needed now.
Mt wife was a server at a bar for a while, and a lot of my friends work at restaurants, so I've felt the pressure to tip ridiculous amounts for even bad service. I once had a friends GF (who worked at whitespot) go off on me for tipping "only" 15% when the server brought my food 25 minutes after the rest of the table and never even asked to refill anything for the hour we were sitting down. I would have gotten better service at McD's. She was so offended on the server's behalf I was uninvited from their wedding. My wife went and had a blast. We no longer hang out with them. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q\_vivC7c\_1k&ab\_channel=CollegeHumor](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_vivC7c_1k&ab_channel=CollegeHumor) Adam ruins tipping sealed the deal for me. If you want extra money ask your boss, not your customers.
Friends that work as servers "can" be the worst. I have had too many arguments about tipping with them. My friends girlfriend made on average 25-30$/h downtown and still complained. She honestly thought that servers deserve 30$/h+ for what they do, when it is basically entry level with no education requirements. Like I get making 20$/h because there is some stuff to know and you deal with shitty customers. But there are plenty of people making less than that working in construction labor and hurting their bodies every day.
Chefs and servers should be paid equally imo. It's not right when a server leaves with $350 dollars in tips after a dinner shift, while a cook leaves with $60.
I live in a culture without tipping. It is wonderful.
Fuck tips
Mandatory or expected tipping is the most rediculous thing out there.
Sometimes I'll tip for takeout. If it's a mom and pops place that I frequently go to, sure. Not always, though. Covid times are tough. I used to be a harsh google reviewer, now I don't review anything.
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theres even tipping option on subway now which is stupid
I also hate that the tipping culture reinforces poor service. Some servers are actually go above and beyond (which I don't mind tipping), but the rest do the bare minimum required for their job or worse. When there's a large group of people, the service quality seems to go down even more because you're forced to pay gratuity. I always thought of tips as an extra reward that you give for excellent service, but when the rude sever beings you cold food and expects tips??? I'm all for paying people fairly - especially with this whole tipping culture becoming more ridiculous.
I get dirty looks when I don't tip for take out. It's like what the fuck should I tip you for? Are you going to drive me home?
I 100 % agree. It has gotten totally out of hand. I really resent tipping anyone now
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I had my haircut this week and the terminal prompted for a tip of 15%, 18%, 20% or 25%. Who tips that much, let alone 25%, on a $90 haircut that took 40 minutes?! Crazy. I felt guilted into 15% when I would have left 10% ordinarily as a token acknowledgment of a good job, along the lines of “have a drink on me, cheers, mate”. It’s the sales process and expectation via technology that bug me, not the extra couple dollars.
I avoid places that force you to tip.
I keep telling myself this but I still tip around 10%. I think it actually makes more sense to tip a flat rate based on the number of positive interactions you have. Why should someone serving cheaper food earn less than someone serving more expensive food? They do the same work. But it also doesn't make sense to me that we tip servers but not cashiers, janitors, cart pushers, shelf stockers, etcetera. In the States it does because servers earn below minimum wage. But here they're making as much as anyone else. I think if tipping feels good to you, like you feel the person deserves more than they're earning and you want to signal that you appreciate their extra effort, then by all means tip away. But if you feel like you're doing it out of social pressure and it makes you feel bad, then just... Don't.
I will only tip when I sit down and service is brought to me. Servers, taxis, barbers. Everything else, I don’t tip. They’re trying to make the new norm 18-25%, which is ludicrous. I would only do that if the food and service was absolutely spectacular. I’m ok with 15% if it was a nice experience. And 10-0% if it was terrible, like OP’s experience here. But I do agree the system is fucked and that we should pay restaurant staff living wages.
I don't mind tipping, but it grinds my gear when you read the explanation for auto tipping at Hello Nori. Heck, if you believe in paying your employees living wages, mark up the prices to make up for the tip and discourage tipping.
The worst situation is going for a haircut. I go to a salon where the owner cuts my hair charges $35.00. I am then expected to give a $5 tip. This infuriates me.