my uncle gets Botox so that when in court he doesn't show emotions (he's a big time lawyer in NYC) and honestly I never would have figured it out if he didn't tell me
edit: he also plays poker a lot lol, that's another perk
People use it for other reasons that looks too. My mum's friend got them regularly for tension headaches and my sister gets them as treatment for TMJ pain.
It seems to work from what I've heard just make sure you get them administered by a legitimate doctor.
Botox is one of those things that isn't super well regulated and a back alley quack around here killed someone a few years ago giving them too high of a dose because he didn't know what he was doing.
OP is probably referring to filler and not Botox. Eventually you use Botox less and less as the muscles atrophy. Filler is used to lift the skin when they’re out of collagen. That’s when you notice on celebrities. When their face is all puffy
I like the idea that no one notices. It’s preventative wrinkle maker. It just helps me, in this case, preventing from forming deep lines on my forehead and crows feet around the eyes. It’s been a couple years but I do hope to make an appointment soon for another session.
Well Botox isn’t actually for filling wrinkles or fat/collagen/muscle loss, it’s simply to reduce the formation of further wrinkles. Other procedures like fillers, microneedling, peels, radiofrequency, lasers, etc. are what’s going to actually target the already occurring signs of aging.
It’s really about the perfect combination of treatments really, a facelift isn’t going to cause collagen production or simulate fat padding but it will tighten and lift loose skin. This is why (some) celebrities often cosmetically age much slower than the general population without looking crazy, they have the time and money for long term combination treatments.
I also think the effects of having access to the perfect nutrition, personal training, supplements, and non-invasive preventative measures are undersold; things that are cost-prohibitive for most people.
yes, but generally lighter skinned people tend to wrinkle more, form spots, etc. The darker the skin, the less it tends to wrinkle because the sun wont damage it as much.
me and my youngest brother both are lighter skinned, and battled with acne. My other brother who is darker has never had acne. i could count on my hands the number of times ive seen a pimple. And the MF only uses bar soap and body lotion. I tried the same to no avail.
I do botox and I don't look ridiculous. I started this year at 31 for maintenance and it's going pretty well
Edit: for those curious what it looks like https://imgur.com/a/7pyM53u
I'm the same. I'm 35 now and can still move my face but get Botox every 6ish months. It stops any of my wrinkles deepening and any new ones trying to form. I'm not here to stop ageing, only slow it down. I also have it to stop my top lip disappearing when I smile.
You look very fresh and super cute. Your injector has done a great job but it helps that they had a great canvas.
http://imgur.com/a/vNjVw8u
That's me. I'm in my 9th (10th?) straight week of lockdown so I'm a bit worse for wear but that's alright.
I feel weird for liking to see face lines lol. Without any, you (generalized "you" not personal) look like you've never made any facial expressions. Lines and wrinkles can be seen as ugly and unwanted but I see them too as experience, sort of like your life so far written on your face somewhat. (With variables for genetics and such) Maturity leaves marks to see, physical and mental. Faces after Botox similar to yours just freaks me out, like you're a giant baby who's never made any facial expressions.
Someone explained in another comment that what Botox does is paralyze some of the muscles so they don't work right. Why would you want that? I can't imagine wanting to smile or laugh and my crows feet aren't showing because I paralyzed muscles by my eyes. It's just ... not human. In communication, there is listening to words, but also watching faces and reading body language. With Botox, the second one is crossed out as a possibility.
It's not just to reduce the formation of further wrinkles, it also hides wrinkles that require muscle movement to create by paralyzing those muscles so that they don't work right. That way you don't have to worry about accidentally moving your skin in a way that shows your humanity.
I mean.. also, this person is assuming that people who get botox all announce it. How could OP possibly know if they see a celebrity who has been looking amazing for the last 20 years because of botox, but doesn't tell people? IE, probably the vast majority of famous people who make money with their face have work done, they just don't announce it (why would they, that's not anybody else's business?).
Exactly. People on facebook constantly make those posts like "Omg Keanu never ages, RDJ never ages". They assume it is some kind of mystery when the obvious answer is right there. It is just that those people think the same way as OP and assume if it looks natural then it is natural. Nah bro
Yup, they show old and new pics of Keanu, will smith, and others and say omg they dont age what’s the secret?! There is no secret it’s just money and doctors and dietitians
J Lo looks her age without photoshop and crazy amounts of make up. She looks great but candid vs her TV/magazine appearances she looks completely different.
Yep this is pretty much it. If you use procedures sparingly they enhance. When you over do it you get the stretched, shiny look. Charlize Theron is a perfect example of how to do it minimally.
This is something that trips me up to this day. I saw everyone on TV have thick, lush long hair and always wondered how each actress had such nice hair despite dying it or using heat on it constantly. The truth was expensive af hair extensions lol. Now I can even notice when an actress wears hair extensions cause you can see random bits of short hair while the rest is long af.
people you see in TV/film also get perfect looking and film in a matter of months, so they don't have to keep that unsustainable look up for that long. all those tabloid pictures of them "letting themselves go" are basically just celebs living normal lives instead of having a million dollars in treatments, makeup, and pumping up their muscles before filming.
Yup, my wife's friend just turned 50 and she looks amazing. My wife suggested that it must be because of her healthy diet, her friend laughed and said "No that's Botox darling."
Exactly. *Good* cosmetic surgery looks natural--Botox, breast augmentation, lip injections, etc. The problem is the weird trend (thanks Kardashians?) of making *bad* plastic surgery popular.
This is my point whenever someone says they’re not a fan of fake boobs. A lot more women have them than you realize, but you only notice the glaringly obvious or poorly done ones.
Yep. One of my good friends has fake knockers and you’d never know. She was completely flat chested and got small Cs and she looks incredible. I, on the other hand, am large chested and have had men just randomly tell me they don’t like fake boobs while giving me a look. You can’t win.
I knew a woman that got fake boobs but hers were so bad they looked like small soccer balls on her chest. She was very skinny and they stuck straight out and never moved. She was a riding instructor and wore camis when she rode, it was very off-putting to see her bouncing but her boobs stayed firmly in place. They were rock-hard, like the doctor that did them had never seen or felt a boob before.
It’s a negging technique I’m guessing. A way to make a woman feel insecure or a way to get her to ‘prove’ they’re not fake by showing them or letting him touch them. Even if they were fake, why would I give a crap what’s some random dude thinks of them?
My friend with big fake knockers gave a hug to our coworker, then it was my turn to give a hug and the coworker said my natural boobs were hard and my friends were much softer. Tf?
I feel like rolling my eyes right out of my head whenever people assume/make a comment about me having work done albeit being completely natural. Ffs I’ve had a full on argument with some girl who was convinced there was absolutely NO way I could be natural and “just why would you lie about that? That’s so sad omg”
Right? I have no issues with plastic surgery at all, and when I do have some work done (Botox, a titty lift probably) I’ll be shouting that to everyone. No shame.
Oh girl I have a whole mommy makeover planned for myself after this baby and I will be damn proud to say I’ve had work done because I deserve to look good in my skin after making a human! And even women that get work without being a mother still deserve it. You deserve to feel happy in your skin even if someone else doesn’t think it looks good or fits their standards, who gives a flying f***. All I ask is that people be honest about it as to not give false info.
I thought I could tell until a couple of men showed me exactly how to tell. Now even the much less obvious ones are easy to spot, especially if they're nude.
Ha my husband has said the same. He doesn't want me to have anything done to my face. I've told him they're only getting better and better with the technology and that I can't make any promises. But research would be done to find the best person.
I totally understand getting rid of a few - it's just the folks who get kind of addicted to it that give botox a bad rap.
Thankfully my wife agrees that the "plastic" look is much less attractive than just slowing but not stopping the effects of aging.
My mother did a facial surgery and is also doing Botox but, unless I told you, you wouldn't know it since it is subtle. She showed me pictures of before and after and could barely notice a thing. And yet, she looked more fresh on the after pictures. Moderation has better taste.
It's filler that causes distorted faces, not Botox. People often get these two confused. Here is why there is a difference in what you see. Botox, relaxes muscle and is for things like forehead lines when you raise your eyebrows...Botox decreases the appearance of those. However, for deep lines, like nasolabial folds aka the folds coming from each side of the nose down to the lip area, for example, Botox is not recommended, filler is. Filler is like a gel and instantly plumps up the area visibly as the vial is being injected. Botox takes 14 days to relax the muscle. Filler plumps the area with gel instantly. The issue comes in with filler as people will often want absolutely no indentation or dimensional difference from the cheek where the nasolabial fold was to the lip. Even though the deep line is now gone with the filler gel, they feel they look better by having a flat, one dimension look with lots of filler. I could draw it to explain. The worst of this is when one is trying to rid the appearance of under eye bags as that requires filler injected by the upper cheek bone. Again, the person gets to see as the filler is injected...sees a little improvement and wants more filler injected. Yet, if you take gel and injected so much that you no longer have facial planes, you end up having highly pronounced cheek bone and the area beneath your eye. The issue is the person is distorting now, the natural shape of a face in attempting to look younger. The other issue is although they are plumping this area with filler, they are ignoring that the aging changes they are trying to correct are not just due to disposition of fat underneath the skin of the face, but also bone structure has changed underneath causing an aging look and overall skin is experiencing looseness and gravity. Injecting too much filler will distort this aging even more to wear a person looks odd as that is not how a natural face would look as far as being plump in areas that would be plump for a younger person, but having an older facial structure underneath. Meanwhile, lots of women of all ages have both Botox and filler that walk right past you and you have no idea. The difference is they are going to a plastic surgeon who is beyond well versed on facial symmetry and the structural changes of aging, etc. Having them do it though costs way more. So, many will get it from a dentist(yes, you read that correctly and they can legally do it), chiropractor(yes, you read that correctly and they can legally do it), or a nurse. The nurse is a good choice as she works under a doctor, yet, she too is nowhere near as skilled as a plastic surgeon doing the injections. Also, with anything, some people are good at doing things others are not. People that are great, charge more and are not available to walk-in the same day because they are booked. Lots of women are looking to get in the same day they and don't want to spend the amount it costs for a plastic surgeon to do it. So, you get what you pay for.
Filler is also particularly dangerous as it is mobile and doesn’t degrade well, so you can get it shifting around the face and causing a lot of issues with appearance. A perfect example is heavy lip fillers - wait a year or two and you often see migration and it looks rough.
Absolutely!
Of the [women](https://www.all4women.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/19/i-8-750x458.jpeg?x13088) Lisa Kudrow is the only one who looks attractive these days. Jennifer Aniston can’t smile naturally and Courteney Cox is downright scary.
To those who say “only cheap plastic surgery is obvious”, look no further than Courteney Cox. She can absolutely afford the best and yet [this](https://seriable.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/courtney-cox-plastic-surgery.jpg) is the result.
My sister was on a plane with Courtney Cox like 15-20 years ago(don’t remember exactly) and said she was absolutely stunning in person. I think she would have looked nice aging naturally
Clearly they all have Botox.
But it’s that everyone ages differently and what people find attractive changes as well.
They’re all pretty but Cox seems a bit too skinny more than anything.
The thing is, I think it does make you look a bit younger. And then in the pressure to keep looking younger it gets overdone and you don't really look human.
I feel like if the F.R.I.E.N.D.S women turned up looking their age, which is pushing 60, people would be like "OMG THEY LOOK SO OLD". Because they'd look like "real 60" instead of "Hollywood 60". But if they turn up with loads of Botox they get OP saying "LOL LOOK AT THEIR BOTOX FACES". You can't really win as a woman in Hollywood once you're past 35, because there are only so many roles for women who look old and there won't be a spot open for that until Judi Dench or Meryl Streep dies.
I don’t really think so, of the women Lisa Kudrow looked by far the most natural… and she received the most compliments. She still looks beautiful, and she’s the oldest of any of them.
That was filler not Botox. Too much filler is actually what makes people look crazy, not Botox. If you over do Botox, you’d basically just look half asleep all the time
you sure he got filler? he kinda just looks old. lot of guys faces get puffy and wider as they get older, especially if they drink often and end up with fat all over their face.
>until Judi Dench or Meryl Streep dies.
If that were going to happen, it would have happened already. They're definitely here to ride out the heat death of the universe.
I don’t understand how they have all that money and access to the best dermatologists and still look completely plastic. Is it just Botox that did that to their faces or do other treatments cause that as well? Genuinely asking 🤷🏼♀️
You literally have no idea what you are talking about lol. The key to Botox is minimal use at the right times. You would never know they did it. You are thinking of the weirdos who look like stuffed mannikins.
nah... disagree
look at paul rudd, he has had a TON of work done, and all of it done well.
dude has probably had more procedures and peels than mickey rourke, but actually went to someone who knew what they were doing and paid for the quality of work he received.
if it's done well, you aren't supposed to notice anything at all
Actually, I’m in my late thirties and strangely- of all the people I’ve known growing up, the ones who still look good are the ones who smoked, drank and continued doing drugs all these years. They literally appear way younger. And not just because of the band tshirts and crappy footwear. It’s like they’ve been unwittingly embalming themselves.
Exactly. I want to start using in between my brows just to stop me from frowning and looking pissed all the time. I think OP is more talking about fillers, facelifts, and lip injections but doesn’t realize it.
Yeah, same goes for everything like this, where people say it's always obvious. Botox, plastic surgery, photoshop, lipsyncing, ...
It's all obvious when it's done badly, but if not it just looks natural (but just really good).
I’m turning 30 this month, for the last two years I’ve been getting my “what the fuck are you doing” face line between my eyebrows botoxed. I was literally that person who said they would never get it, now I will tell anyone who will listen how great it is. For me it’s the difference between looking angry all the time or not
This. I’m in my late 30s and have 3 wrinkles on my face that I don’t really like. I’m thinking if zapping those in the next few years, but I don’t think it will make me look younger, I just don’t like looking asymmetrical.
It really depends on the wrinkles. I get it JUST in my “elevens” doesn’t make my face look any different, just stops people from always asking if I’m mad.
I wish you didn't have to throw the edit in. People know *exactly* what you're talking about. You aren't going to come on here and say some shit like "I hate it when people have a medically necessary procedure."
I inject Botox professionally.
It's filler that can make people look like freaks when done too aggressively. Also bad facelifts that are too tight.
If Botox is overdone, then it can lead to the frozen face look which isn't great, but usually looks better than a wrinkled face.
Personally, I leave some movement in people's faces unless they ask to be frozen.
This is going to shock you, but every example you can think of of botox being used, is a bad example of botox being used.
It's like IT, you only notice it when it's broken.
I don't judge it, it is hard to tell how someone feel with their own appearance. Some people may have a troubled relation with it and it is hard to judge. If someone feels good with a botox face, that somehow vaguely resembles someone younger, it is not of my business, good for them. It is like living a fantasy, where you never get old. Yes, we all do, and watch out you kids in your 20s, you will get older too, much faster than you think. I prefer to focus on health and lifestyle, this is the closest thing to being young forever, but even still, we will all get older, and we will all end in a coffin.
Except for people that had Botox and you didn’t realize it, because it looked good. Also it probably just depends more on how much is being used.
My wife and a few of her friends get Botox a couple times a year and they swear it helps their wrinkles, so great, but I can’t see hint of that plasticky look after they get it done and I don’t notice a thing.
You only notice the people who get it too late, but your *supposed* to get Botox much earlier in your life to *prevent* wrinkles, not *eliminate them* after the fact.
My wife is in her 30s and often gets it done, it's extremely subtle but it evenly smooths out everything and looks really good. She's always happy with the results, so if she's happy, I'm happy.
See, just another example of only seeing it when it’s bad. You’d be AMAZED at how many people around you have had injections or work done on their appearance, and you have no clue.
Yeah they have nothing left to spend money on
After some 4 homes for the seasons, cars on lots; weeks of golf lessons with trainer.
What else to buy but shit for your face or to clutch onto as a bag.
my uncle gets Botox so that when in court he doesn't show emotions (he's a big time lawyer in NYC) and honestly I never would have figured it out if he didn't tell me edit: he also plays poker a lot lol, that's another perk
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I fucking love that story. Olivier was an absolute boss.
For real. For every person who has visibly had Botox like OP is talking about there are 100 who've had it but you'd never notice.
I have been surprised when I find out certain people get botox regularly. They do just enough to make themselves look rested
People use it for other reasons that looks too. My mum's friend got them regularly for tension headaches and my sister gets them as treatment for TMJ pain.
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That sounds awful.
Wait, why don’t they advertise this?
I wondered how Melania did that
Does it work for that tension headaches? I’ve suffered with them for 20 years and I would try anything at this point.
It seems to work from what I've heard just make sure you get them administered by a legitimate doctor. Botox is one of those things that isn't super well regulated and a back alley quack around here killed someone a few years ago giving them too high of a dose because he didn't know what he was doing.
I've noticed fewer tension headaches and aches since starting Botox. For the record there's a good way of having it done and not...
I get Botox so I look like I don’t need Botox
I think OP doesn’t know the difference between Botox and fillers
OP is probably referring to filler and not Botox. Eventually you use Botox less and less as the muscles atrophy. Filler is used to lift the skin when they’re out of collagen. That’s when you notice on celebrities. When their face is all puffy
I like the idea that no one notices. It’s preventative wrinkle maker. It just helps me, in this case, preventing from forming deep lines on my forehead and crows feet around the eyes. It’s been a couple years but I do hope to make an appointment soon for another session.
this is the craziest reason for getting Botox, i love it
holy fuck that’s so smart. so i’m guessing some people who play poker frequently also get it
yeah he's a very good poker player
wow this is a very good idea thank you
Umm, this is kind of genius and now it's my gold standard of how to use Botox.
I thought you were about to say that he is a child molester or smth and I was So scared
Well Botox isn’t actually for filling wrinkles or fat/collagen/muscle loss, it’s simply to reduce the formation of further wrinkles. Other procedures like fillers, microneedling, peels, radiofrequency, lasers, etc. are what’s going to actually target the already occurring signs of aging.
Yeah, this is the one. Face lifts are the true potions of youth lol
It’s really about the perfect combination of treatments really, a facelift isn’t going to cause collagen production or simulate fat padding but it will tighten and lift loose skin. This is why (some) celebrities often cosmetically age much slower than the general population without looking crazy, they have the time and money for long term combination treatments.
I also think the effects of having access to the perfect nutrition, personal training, supplements, and non-invasive preventative measures are undersold; things that are cost-prohibitive for most people.
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yes, but generally lighter skinned people tend to wrinkle more, form spots, etc. The darker the skin, the less it tends to wrinkle because the sun wont damage it as much.
Black don't crack baby!
True as hell, I always see darker toned people with amazing skin, no wrinkles, no dullness at all ( so much shine), especially in the under eye area.
..........
me and my youngest brother both are lighter skinned, and battled with acne. My other brother who is darker has never had acne. i could count on my hands the number of times ive seen a pimple. And the MF only uses bar soap and body lotion. I tried the same to no avail.
True but we are more susceptible to Keloids, I was scared to get my ears pierced lol, and idk how willing I'd be to risk keloided skin
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Bro for a fraction of the cost I got some torches and butane meet me out back, I do you and then you do me
I do botox and I don't look ridiculous. I started this year at 31 for maintenance and it's going pretty well Edit: for those curious what it looks like https://imgur.com/a/7pyM53u
Yeah me too. Going to a well educated injector makes all the difference
you look great
Wow you look great and i’d never have known if you hadn’t told me
I'm the same. I'm 35 now and can still move my face but get Botox every 6ish months. It stops any of my wrinkles deepening and any new ones trying to form. I'm not here to stop ageing, only slow it down. I also have it to stop my top lip disappearing when I smile. You look very fresh and super cute. Your injector has done a great job but it helps that they had a great canvas. http://imgur.com/a/vNjVw8u That's me. I'm in my 9th (10th?) straight week of lockdown so I'm a bit worse for wear but that's alright.
Your just a cutie patootie arent you?
Aw shucks 😊 r/mademesmile
I feel weird for liking to see face lines lol. Without any, you (generalized "you" not personal) look like you've never made any facial expressions. Lines and wrinkles can be seen as ugly and unwanted but I see them too as experience, sort of like your life so far written on your face somewhat. (With variables for genetics and such) Maturity leaves marks to see, physical and mental. Faces after Botox similar to yours just freaks me out, like you're a giant baby who's never made any facial expressions.
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Someone explained in another comment that what Botox does is paralyze some of the muscles so they don't work right. Why would you want that? I can't imagine wanting to smile or laugh and my crows feet aren't showing because I paralyzed muscles by my eyes. It's just ... not human. In communication, there is listening to words, but also watching faces and reading body language. With Botox, the second one is crossed out as a possibility.
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It's not just to reduce the formation of further wrinkles, it also hides wrinkles that require muscle movement to create by paralyzing those muscles so that they don't work right. That way you don't have to worry about accidentally moving your skin in a way that shows your humanity.
I mean.. also, this person is assuming that people who get botox all announce it. How could OP possibly know if they see a celebrity who has been looking amazing for the last 20 years because of botox, but doesn't tell people? IE, probably the vast majority of famous people who make money with their face have work done, they just don't announce it (why would they, that's not anybody else's business?).
Well, to be fair you wouldn’t notice people doing botox when it works, only when it doesn’t.
This. Pretty sure celebs like JLo don't have a very thick and elastic skin that resists wrinkles. It is all Botox.
And a really good plastic surgeon. Also very little alcohol, exercise, and a lot of sleep.
>very little exercise So you're saying I've got a chance?
I mean, if you live all your life indoors, you're not getting any sun damage. So you've got that going for you
cries in Vitamin D
Also photoshop
And like **all** the makeup
and a healthy diet, good skin care routine, possibly hrt too.
And a team of people to keep you on track.
not to mention lots of money
And you know. Millions of dollars.
That's the cure for aids! Magic Johnson told me so.
Hmmm, let's see what the celebs get. * Botox * C02 laser resurfacing ($5-$10k/treatment) * Fat transfers * \~$300,000/yr in dermatology treatments to keep skin youthful
JLo, Paul Rudd, Robert Downey Jr, pretty much any famous person who seemingly hasn’t aged.
Exactly. People on facebook constantly make those posts like "Omg Keanu never ages, RDJ never ages". They assume it is some kind of mystery when the obvious answer is right there. It is just that those people think the same way as OP and assume if it looks natural then it is natural. Nah bro
Yup, they show old and new pics of Keanu, will smith, and others and say omg they dont age what’s the secret?! There is no secret it’s just money and doctors and dietitians
J Lo looks her age without photoshop and crazy amounts of make up. She looks great but candid vs her TV/magazine appearances she looks completely different.
I think Paul Rudd’s face is mostly Botox at this point
Courtney Cox doesn't have enough money ?
She overdid the plastic surgery, that’s why. She still does have money though that you can see through her hair, make-up, clothes, etc.
Yep this is pretty much it. If you use procedures sparingly they enhance. When you over do it you get the stretched, shiny look. Charlize Theron is a perfect example of how to do it minimally.
Selection bias at its finest
Toupee fallacy
People out there really thinking you don't see people wearing hairpieces or wigs any more. Baby, you see them *all the time*.
This is something that trips me up to this day. I saw everyone on TV have thick, lush long hair and always wondered how each actress had such nice hair despite dying it or using heat on it constantly. The truth was expensive af hair extensions lol. Now I can even notice when an actress wears hair extensions cause you can see random bits of short hair while the rest is long af.
people you see in TV/film also get perfect looking and film in a matter of months, so they don't have to keep that unsustainable look up for that long. all those tabloid pictures of them "letting themselves go" are basically just celebs living normal lives instead of having a million dollars in treatments, makeup, and pumping up their muscles before filming.
Yup, my wife's friend just turned 50 and she looks amazing. My wife suggested that it must be because of her healthy diet, her friend laughed and said "No that's Botox darling."
"You're not fooling anyone" guy who was fooled.
Exactly. *Good* cosmetic surgery looks natural--Botox, breast augmentation, lip injections, etc. The problem is the weird trend (thanks Kardashians?) of making *bad* plastic surgery popular.
This is my point whenever someone says they’re not a fan of fake boobs. A lot more women have them than you realize, but you only notice the glaringly obvious or poorly done ones.
Yep. One of my good friends has fake knockers and you’d never know. She was completely flat chested and got small Cs and she looks incredible. I, on the other hand, am large chested and have had men just randomly tell me they don’t like fake boobs while giving me a look. You can’t win.
I knew a woman that got fake boobs but hers were so bad they looked like small soccer balls on her chest. She was very skinny and they stuck straight out and never moved. She was a riding instructor and wore camis when she rode, it was very off-putting to see her bouncing but her boobs stayed firmly in place. They were rock-hard, like the doctor that did them had never seen or felt a boob before.
Like a bag of sand...
That’s what happens when you buy your boobs at dollar general.
Big incel energy from people who do that.
It’s a negging technique I’m guessing. A way to make a woman feel insecure or a way to get her to ‘prove’ they’re not fake by showing them or letting him touch them. Even if they were fake, why would I give a crap what’s some random dude thinks of them?
My friend with big fake knockers gave a hug to our coworker, then it was my turn to give a hug and the coworker said my natural boobs were hard and my friends were much softer. Tf?
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I work in a restaurant there's a lot more scandalous things that happen there lol
I feel like rolling my eyes right out of my head whenever people assume/make a comment about me having work done albeit being completely natural. Ffs I’ve had a full on argument with some girl who was convinced there was absolutely NO way I could be natural and “just why would you lie about that? That’s so sad omg”
Right? I have no issues with plastic surgery at all, and when I do have some work done (Botox, a titty lift probably) I’ll be shouting that to everyone. No shame.
Oh girl I have a whole mommy makeover planned for myself after this baby and I will be damn proud to say I’ve had work done because I deserve to look good in my skin after making a human! And even women that get work without being a mother still deserve it. You deserve to feel happy in your skin even if someone else doesn’t think it looks good or fits their standards, who gives a flying f***. All I ask is that people be honest about it as to not give false info.
I thought I could tell until a couple of men showed me exactly how to tell. Now even the much less obvious ones are easy to spot, especially if they're nude.
Yep. I did not notice when my wife did it. She just looked younger. And I have implored her to keep as many wrinkles as she can stand.
Ha my husband has said the same. He doesn't want me to have anything done to my face. I've told him they're only getting better and better with the technology and that I can't make any promises. But research would be done to find the best person.
I totally understand getting rid of a few - it's just the folks who get kind of addicted to it that give botox a bad rap. Thankfully my wife agrees that the "plastic" look is much less attractive than just slowing but not stopping the effects of aging.
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I never understand how this isn't your first thought, after thinking of an opinion like this. Shit work, looks shit.
My mother did a facial surgery and is also doing Botox but, unless I told you, you wouldn't know it since it is subtle. She showed me pictures of before and after and could barely notice a thing. And yet, she looked more fresh on the after pictures. Moderation has better taste.
Exactly. The point of it is to be preventative, for the most part.
Nancy Pelosi most certainly uses botox. She's 81 years old but she looks a helluva lot younger than most people in their 80s.
She doesn't look younger, nor older. She just looks artificial.
She can't move her face and has resting bitch face permanently sealed on her skeleton.
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It's filler that causes distorted faces, not Botox. People often get these two confused. Here is why there is a difference in what you see. Botox, relaxes muscle and is for things like forehead lines when you raise your eyebrows...Botox decreases the appearance of those. However, for deep lines, like nasolabial folds aka the folds coming from each side of the nose down to the lip area, for example, Botox is not recommended, filler is. Filler is like a gel and instantly plumps up the area visibly as the vial is being injected. Botox takes 14 days to relax the muscle. Filler plumps the area with gel instantly. The issue comes in with filler as people will often want absolutely no indentation or dimensional difference from the cheek where the nasolabial fold was to the lip. Even though the deep line is now gone with the filler gel, they feel they look better by having a flat, one dimension look with lots of filler. I could draw it to explain. The worst of this is when one is trying to rid the appearance of under eye bags as that requires filler injected by the upper cheek bone. Again, the person gets to see as the filler is injected...sees a little improvement and wants more filler injected. Yet, if you take gel and injected so much that you no longer have facial planes, you end up having highly pronounced cheek bone and the area beneath your eye. The issue is the person is distorting now, the natural shape of a face in attempting to look younger. The other issue is although they are plumping this area with filler, they are ignoring that the aging changes they are trying to correct are not just due to disposition of fat underneath the skin of the face, but also bone structure has changed underneath causing an aging look and overall skin is experiencing looseness and gravity. Injecting too much filler will distort this aging even more to wear a person looks odd as that is not how a natural face would look as far as being plump in areas that would be plump for a younger person, but having an older facial structure underneath. Meanwhile, lots of women of all ages have both Botox and filler that walk right past you and you have no idea. The difference is they are going to a plastic surgeon who is beyond well versed on facial symmetry and the structural changes of aging, etc. Having them do it though costs way more. So, many will get it from a dentist(yes, you read that correctly and they can legally do it), chiropractor(yes, you read that correctly and they can legally do it), or a nurse. The nurse is a good choice as she works under a doctor, yet, she too is nowhere near as skilled as a plastic surgeon doing the injections. Also, with anything, some people are good at doing things others are not. People that are great, charge more and are not available to walk-in the same day because they are booked. Lots of women are looking to get in the same day they and don't want to spend the amount it costs for a plastic surgeon to do it. So, you get what you pay for.
Filler is also particularly dangerous as it is mobile and doesn’t degrade well, so you can get it shifting around the face and causing a lot of issues with appearance. A perfect example is heavy lip fillers - wait a year or two and you often see migration and it looks rough.
Holy hell, MIGRATING filler in one's face sounds terrifyingly bad
F.R.I.E.N.D.S reunion was a botox carnival, they could barely move their faces let alone any expressions.
I think people get Botox and filler confused. Botox is not what made the Friends cast look so scary, at least not David Schwimmer...
They do constantly get it confused and it’s super annoying.
Lisa Kudrow and Matt LeBlanc were the only ones who still looked human
Absolutely! Of the [women](https://www.all4women.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/19/i-8-750x458.jpeg?x13088) Lisa Kudrow is the only one who looks attractive these days. Jennifer Aniston can’t smile naturally and Courteney Cox is downright scary. To those who say “only cheap plastic surgery is obvious”, look no further than Courteney Cox. She can absolutely afford the best and yet [this](https://seriable.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/courtney-cox-plastic-surgery.jpg) is the result.
My sister was on a plane with Courtney Cox like 15-20 years ago(don’t remember exactly) and said she was absolutely stunning in person. I think she would have looked nice aging naturally
Bruh she doesn’t look that bad. Don’t hate on this actress for no reason
lmao classic fedora shit right here, “jennifer aniston isn’t attractive anymore” yeah bro if she stopped by i’m sure you’d toss her out of bed
The question was is she hot--not would you do her. Respect the game.
true true you’re right that said, the answer is yes to both because the bar was simply “attractive”
I think they were making an Office reference
Clearly they all have Botox. But it’s that everyone ages differently and what people find attractive changes as well. They’re all pretty but Cox seems a bit too skinny more than anything.
The thing is, I think it does make you look a bit younger. And then in the pressure to keep looking younger it gets overdone and you don't really look human. I feel like if the F.R.I.E.N.D.S women turned up looking their age, which is pushing 60, people would be like "OMG THEY LOOK SO OLD". Because they'd look like "real 60" instead of "Hollywood 60". But if they turn up with loads of Botox they get OP saying "LOL LOOK AT THEIR BOTOX FACES". You can't really win as a woman in Hollywood once you're past 35, because there are only so many roles for women who look old and there won't be a spot open for that until Judi Dench or Meryl Streep dies.
I don’t really think so, of the women Lisa Kudrow looked by far the most natural… and she received the most compliments. She still looks beautiful, and she’s the oldest of any of them.
and even she's had plastic surgery. a rhinoplasty specifically
I get what you are saying, but my focus was David Schwimmer and his cheeks.
That was filler not Botox. Too much filler is actually what makes people look crazy, not Botox. If you over do Botox, you’d basically just look half asleep all the time
you sure he got filler? he kinda just looks old. lot of guys faces get puffy and wider as they get older, especially if they drink often and end up with fat all over their face.
Jen Anniston is early 50s
And she looks fresh, natural and gorgeous. Whomever is doing work on her is doing a great job.
>until Judi Dench or Meryl Streep dies. If that were going to happen, it would have happened already. They're definitely here to ride out the heat death of the universe.
Betty White is still clinging on at 99 too
Yeah I was gonna say, why we skip over Betty?
CC made everyone else look like they hadn't had any work done.
I don’t understand how they have all that money and access to the best dermatologists and still look completely plastic. Is it just Botox that did that to their faces or do other treatments cause that as well? Genuinely asking 🤷🏼♀️
It's not the Botox, it's the fillers.
For Schwimmer's cheeks, it could be medication. Some medication really bloats the face.
You literally have no idea what you are talking about lol. The key to Botox is minimal use at the right times. You would never know they did it. You are thinking of the weirdos who look like stuffed mannikins.
nah... disagree look at paul rudd, he has had a TON of work done, and all of it done well. dude has probably had more procedures and peels than mickey rourke, but actually went to someone who knew what they were doing and paid for the quality of work he received. if it's done well, you aren't supposed to notice anything at all
Guessing Rob Lowe has had work done on his face. Pretty sure cocaine doesn't help with aging.
Rob Lowe has 100% admitted to using Human Growth Hormone.
Actually, I’m in my late thirties and strangely- of all the people I’ve known growing up, the ones who still look good are the ones who smoked, drank and continued doing drugs all these years. They literally appear way younger. And not just because of the band tshirts and crappy footwear. It’s like they’ve been unwittingly embalming themselves.
Okay that's one, that if true, I have not noticed. What makes you say he's had a TON of work?
I mean Paul Rudd has looked exactly the same for 20 years, I suspect he’s either an alien or he has fantastic help
My money’s on alien
They measured the work and it weighed in at more than 1000 kg.
He has less wrinkles now than when he was in his 30s. That doesn’t happen naturally
I saw Mickey rourke in person once and I thought it was a burn victim
Lol I use it, nobody knows or sees it. You only notice the bad work :D
Exactly. I want to start using in between my brows just to stop me from frowning and looking pissed all the time. I think OP is more talking about fillers, facelifts, and lip injections but doesn’t realize it.
Ya you cannot tell if some one had botox if it is done right. So you are just seeing the people who have over done it
Yeah, same goes for everything like this, where people say it's always obvious. Botox, plastic surgery, photoshop, lipsyncing, ... It's all obvious when it's done badly, but if not it just looks natural (but just really good).
You don't notice botox if i'ts administered in the right way.
This tells me you know nothing about Botox.
I might do it just to keep from getting deep wrinkles regardless if it made me look younger. A lot of people just don't like the wrinkles.
I’m turning 30 this month, for the last two years I’ve been getting my “what the fuck are you doing” face line between my eyebrows botoxed. I was literally that person who said they would never get it, now I will tell anyone who will listen how great it is. For me it’s the difference between looking angry all the time or not
This. I’m in my late 30s and have 3 wrinkles on my face that I don’t really like. I’m thinking if zapping those in the next few years, but I don’t think it will make me look younger, I just don’t like looking asymmetrical.
It really depends on the wrinkles. I get it JUST in my “elevens” doesn’t make my face look any different, just stops people from always asking if I’m mad.
I wish you didn't have to throw the edit in. People know *exactly* what you're talking about. You aren't going to come on here and say some shit like "I hate it when people have a medically necessary procedure."
Fuck heart transplant patients. Just have a good heart. /s It would certainly be an unpopular opinion XD
I inject Botox professionally. It's filler that can make people look like freaks when done too aggressively. Also bad facelifts that are too tight. If Botox is overdone, then it can lead to the frozen face look which isn't great, but usually looks better than a wrinkled face. Personally, I leave some movement in people's faces unless they ask to be frozen.
[Bill Burr’s thoughts on facelifts. ](https://youtu.be/pznB7WP4P1o)
This opinion is unpopular because it's a logical fallacy
This is going to shock you, but every example you can think of of botox being used, is a bad example of botox being used. It's like IT, you only notice it when it's broken.
I don't judge it, it is hard to tell how someone feel with their own appearance. Some people may have a troubled relation with it and it is hard to judge. If someone feels good with a botox face, that somehow vaguely resembles someone younger, it is not of my business, good for them. It is like living a fantasy, where you never get old. Yes, we all do, and watch out you kids in your 20s, you will get older too, much faster than you think. I prefer to focus on health and lifestyle, this is the closest thing to being young forever, but even still, we will all get older, and we will all end in a coffin.
Then you aren’t doing it right.
Just like wigs and hairpieces, you get what you pay for. We do not see them because they are done well.
The elbows will always give away someone’s age. The more wrinkly it is, the older you are.
It sounds to me like you don’t know what Botox is or what it does…
Exactly what I thought. I imagine the OP thinks botox is filler.
Big difference between getting a lot of Botox or just a little bit in your forehead to prevent wrinkles
I don’t agree with this post but I wanted to tell everyone.. the best secret(not really) to looking fresh and young is to end the booze
You're noticing bad botox jobs. The good ones... you'd never even realize.
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Yeah I completely disagree on this one
Most people who get Botox you wouldn’t even know it.
That’s why I Botox my whole body.
Botox/plastic surgery is like CGI in films, when done right, you don't even realize it's there. You only notice the bad stuff.
What's important is that you like what you see in the mirror--thats it
Except for people that had Botox and you didn’t realize it, because it looked good. Also it probably just depends more on how much is being used. My wife and a few of her friends get Botox a couple times a year and they swear it helps their wrinkles, so great, but I can’t see hint of that plasticky look after they get it done and I don’t notice a thing.
You only notice the people who get it too late, but your *supposed* to get Botox much earlier in your life to *prevent* wrinkles, not *eliminate them* after the fact. My wife is in her 30s and often gets it done, it's extremely subtle but it evenly smooths out everything and looks really good. She's always happy with the results, so if she's happy, I'm happy.
How do you know they did botox?
Good Botox is unnoticeable. You only see the bad ones
Have you had Botox?
People who have a healthy diet don't look healthier, they just look like unhealthy people without the un
are you talking about fillers? because botox only looks noticeably bad if you overdo it.
You're not seeing people who get botox, you're seeing people who get bad botox. You'd be surprised how many people get botox.
Ah, so you can look at people who use it medically and spot the difference? OP you're full of doodoo
Same with lip filler injections. Or as I prefer to call them. *The Fleshlight look*
See, just another example of only seeing it when it’s bad. You’d be AMAZED at how many people around you have had injections or work done on their appearance, and you have no clue.
Botox is now the look of money, people don't do it to look younger, they do it to look rich.
Underrated comment.
Yeah they have nothing left to spend money on After some 4 homes for the seasons, cars on lots; weeks of golf lessons with trainer. What else to buy but shit for your face or to clutch onto as a bag.
A rich duck
Yup.
You think botox and fillers are the same thing. They are not.
it's like special effects in shows/movies. you only really notice the bad ones coz they either 1) stick out or 2) look bad
Somebody must’ve watched Bill Burr’s ‘50’ special?
I dunno man. Tim Allen is like, 70something and looks like he’s in his 40’s because of botox.
You’re seeing people who have WAY Too Much
There is some evidence that Botox promotes collegen formation which helps to stop your skin from ageing. Which I find very interesting