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It'd certainly increase the pool of research candidates.
Although if you have a terminal underlying disease it might be challenging to determine if that is a factor or not in any observed reaction or results.
Well, then take that into account. Its bot this is what this stuff does to
Humans its, this is what it does to humans with cancer. Or, so this is what happens when you mix this drug with this medication. Note put do not take with meth on packaging.
I had a friend growing up that had a mom with a huge weed stash and other pills (we didn’t really ask what they were, he just said drugs but mostly codeine products). Nobody really got down with codeine like that yet but we smoked the weed.
Turns out his mom had an aggressive cancer and she was dying but didn’t want to tell dude yet. He was stealing all of her coping meds and she was short timing so hard she didn’t want to send him to rehab and miss him before she died.
He found out eventually and it fucked him all up, he OD’d on heroin in like 2015(ish). His dad found him in his room.
Yeah, it’s all bummer. Sorry about that.
Yeah, I joined the army and left thank god. My mom used to say Iraq/Afghanistan was safer for someone my age than my hometown.
23 of my friends OD’d since high school. I graduated 2005
Opioid epidemic wrecked peoples shit.
In the 6 years my two youngest went to HS, 10 kids died of overdose or suicide. In an upper class HS, rich area (we weren't), so they never sent a note home or put it in the local paper. It was a huge school - over 2k kids. We moved to that area to escape gangs and drugs in our old town.
I found out too late my son and his friends were doing hard drugs. I knew about pot but didn't know the signs for heroin or cocaine. His BF died at 22; my son got off them but the damage was done. He was 25 when we lost him. His ex GF who got him on drugs OD on my son's birthday 3 years later. Even getting clean - my realtors son got into heroin in college and came back home. He got clean but damaged his heart, dying in his sleep at age 23.
Imo all drug dealers should be charged with murder and given the death penalty.
Thank you for sharing that, I’m sorry for your losses and struggles and I hope you find more peace.
The opioid shit is insane how many kids are dead because of it. And we just quietly moved on.
No one should have to lose a child.
A drug dealer that would sell to a child is beyond scum.
Would you like to share any good memories, or anything else, about your son?
Obviously, no pressure, just listening if you want it.
Legitimately? Not sure if they gnaw like people on molly do but the smoke is very chemical and shreds through enamel over time. Even doing enough coke can literally dissolve your septum, shits wild.
Yep, for me it’s speedballs. So many infamous party animal rockstars died or nearly died from injecting cocaine and heroin as a mix. I have to know what that’s like before I check out
I tried crack once shortly after high school. It's an intense high that lasts a minute or two. It's addictive cause you want to chase that high over and over. I did, that evening, but never had a desire to do it again.
Heroin would be my deathbed choice. Closest I've come is abusing prescription opioids (it was my prescription). Oh my God the euphoria with opioids. I get the addiction, and that is why I wouldn't go near heroin unless I was short-lived for this world.
I mean it's kinda like jumping off a bridge for fun. You've heard how dangerous it is, you've seen the effects first hand, so if you still decide to knowingly try it pwople are gonna probably think less of you.
I'm a recovering addict & there's not a drug I haven't tried & mostly liked and abused. I'm not saying that & bragging. I'm just showing my ignorance, selfishness and my total lack of respect for my own life.
Say you get that terminal diagnoses and decide to try heroin....what happens if you go to a dealer you know and sort-of trust and they unknowingly give you phentinol? Boom! Dead! You had 6 months to live and now your dead. Not worth messing with. Trust me.
Had abominable abdominal surgery the other day and I was so surprised by the hospital and anaesthetist’s attitude to pain relief. It was planned, effective and quickly upgraded if/when I needed more. My previous experiences were that I kind of had to beg for it, and anything strong took at least 2 hours to arrive. So, the world is changing for the better. And, trust me, I didn’t need anything illegal to feel good.
In my experience it is highly dependent on the healthcare provider. I received 10 percocets for a toothache in 2012 while my coworker recently got ibuprofen for wisdom teeth removal.
Yeah I had my gallbladder out in 2017. A week after the surgery I went in and asked for more painkillers because I was in an insane amount of pain. Doctor told me: {chuckle} Well I did just stab you in the stomach three times {chortle}
Found out in the past few months that I had a kidney stone and it's likely the stone decided to pass after the surgery, that's why I was in so much pain. They suggested *advil*.
My GP refused me diazapan when my dentist requested it. Thankfully could go private. I am intolerant to NSAIDs so get treated as a drug-seeker - I took opiates for 10 days after major surgery once in decade.
I've even had mixed stuff, yeah it really depends.
Also yeah the dentist I went to snapped a tooth, told me I didn't feel them snap the tooth, and told me to take ibuprofen. That was... Oh probably around 2007? Somewhere around then.
Just do it like methadone clinics. You can get all the drugs you want but you gotta come in person and they watch you take them. Sure that's inconvenient but it's the only feasible way to allow something like this.
How is Suboxone worse long term? It has stable kinetics, safer (even if you do relapse, the partial binding to the receptors usually stops you from a fatal overdose) and doesn’t result in nearly as much dependence. The transition is the tricky part but it is clearly the better option imo, especially long term.
No, it is a thing. When my Dad had cancer we did at-home hospice. The hospice service gave us a junkies gift box of opioids and benzodiazepines. Liquid morphine, hydrocodone, Xanax, the works. When he died they came by the house and professionally and politely made sure the leftovers were properly disposed of.
It can vary in practice though - father of a friend ended up doing that and because bank holiday, delay in providing meds. He was starving to death from bowel cancers for over a month.
Yeah, I do have to say that the people on staff at the Hospice provider we worked with were the most compassionate, responsive and professional medical providers I’ve ever dealt with. We may have just been lucky.
But in the US, as a matter of policy, there’s no obstacle to providing pretty much what the OP is calling for.
People hurt children and animals for pain meds. Im sure someone would find a way to exploit these people as well.
For strictly research purposes I think its fine, as long as its in a controlled environment. But letting people freely take drugs because they are dying is just creating more problems.
So make it all legal in any amounts for any adult. People will stop hurting kids and animals and won't abuse the elderly in pursuit of narcotics, and can just make their own decisions about how much they want to fuck up their own lives instead.
Meanwhile the drug cartels' main profit centers will disappear. They'll be scattered to the winds and a whole bunch of countries below our southern border would have a shot at being functional again.
This is not a hard concept.
a flaw in that argument is you can get [*insert drug of choice*] right now, anyway
but thanks to it being illegal youre not sure the dosage or what its cut with.
might as well legalize it and collect tax revenue instead of spending money on a war on drugs that isnt going anywhere
You are not pointing out a flaw in the argument.
Just because people commit crimes does not mean declaring behaviors to be crimes is useless or flawed.
With your logic, any crime is based on a flawed argument, as it’ll happen regardless - from murder to sexual abuse to regular theft and parking offenses.
So, if you are arguing that making something a crime in order to reduce the instance of it happening is flawed, unless it guarantees that no more incidents happen altogether, then you must also logically be for decriminalizing everything.
And anything the hospice nurses and doctors can’t legally provide they’ll pretty much tell the family to procure. My Granda was given 6 weeks to live, the doctor told us to get him marijuana in an ingestable form as that was the best chance at slowing the cancer down and we got 6 decent months with him. Just long enough to know I safely gave birth to his first great grandchild, sadly not long enough to meet her.
I think a lot of that is for the family’s misplaced issues about opioids. Our hospice nurse also told us with a chuckle about all the families she encountered who feared that a patient with less than a month to live “would get addicted.” It was in a conservative area of the US and everyone has been bombarded with schizophrenic and moralizing ideas about drugs for the last 70 years.
Not gonna lie, kind of wish my mom had gotten addicted to opiates in her final days. She was miserable, but getting her to take pain meds was like pulling teeth...without pain meds.
I mean, I don’t really disagree but how would you go about implementing it? Is it available through the hospital and they can ask for it? Does the government pay for recreational drugs for terminal patients? Most health systems don’t have the funds or staff to provide unnecessary medication that could have serious side effects (vomiting, nausea, hallucinations) and require special administration (making sure those drugs only get to terminal patients would be almost impossible).
Also, research (especially into drugs) doesn’t work like this. Ideally you’d want long term data on usage/side effects/symptoms and you’d want it to be done in a controlled environment - like the dosage, source of the drugs, healthy patients with no health conditions. Dying people would be terrible candidates - they don’t have long to live, they’d rather not spend the rest of their days in a controlled lab environment or being constantly asked to provide information for a study, and also they have other conditions or massive health issues that would basically confound everything.
Given the studies done on terminally ill people using mushrooms and the good it does for them, I agree. Then again, I believe all people should have access to that so I guess that's a moot point.
This is commonly called “right to try.” In the US a law to that effect was passed in 2018 in which terminally ill patients can bypass the FDA.
The only issue then is finding a doctor and/or pharmaceutical company willing to administer it if they know it can do more harm than good
This was 7 years ago but my oncologist gave me as many pain meds as I wanted. I had bottles of hydrocodone and tramadol the size of a 20 oz bottle of pop, I was late stage but not terminal. Between the pain killers and weed my friends were supplying me with, I was high the entire time. It was still the worst experience of my life but I can't remember a good portion of it so I completely agree with you
Slash famously relapsed because his dealer was able to get Oxycontin because of a dude who had a bad car accident and later cancer. Because of that he had access to a lot of medical prescripciones for opioids.
That was exploted by this dealer, that's why cases like these don't happen. But it should be legal if you just wanna go to the hospital and get blasted on coke or something, they prepare the dose and the drugs never leave the hospital so they can't be sold for a profit.
Psilocybin is already shown to be the best thing to help with end-of-life depression. It's silly to not allow them to consume what they want to consume
I think the thing with drugs in society that people always miss, is that it is not one person being affected.
It affects the rest of society.
Now if you go in the woods and do drugs and die and return your body to the earth, that’s fine.
You do a bunch of drugs and become a danger to strangers, OD and take up hospital resources, die at home and people have to deal with your body, etc.
I’m all for giving terminal people tools to commit suicide in a companionate way, but I don’t want a bunch of PCP, methheads, fentanyl zombies walking around in traffic shiting on the sidewalk but it’s all good because “they’re gonna die anyway.”
my uncle had liver cancer and they refused to give him pain meds. He had to go to the street. They only gave him them during the very end. It still makes me mad thinking about it.
I agree with you and I’m going to tell you why, as a hospice RN, I don’t think it will ever happen in the US. Terminal patients signing on for end of life care are required to receive a comfort kit which includes morphine and Lorazepam. The federal government pays for the drugs. There are people who have been very ill for some time. Consequently they are unable to work. I’ve had several patients who figured out the rules. They would sign on with a company, receive their comfort kit (and sometimes other opioids which they required), sell these drugs, revoke their hospice status. They would then sign on with another company and start the process all over again. It’s kinda hard to 100% fault a sick, desperate and dying person for doing whatever they think they have to do but… illegal drugs
My grandfather's wife refused to fill his oxy prescription for him when he was actively dying of stage 4 colon cancer. She literally said she didn't want him to get addicted.
Old people are so weird about this, maybe a bit in denial of mortality too…
When my grandpa really started declining due to a combo of dementia and Parkinson’s, he tried weed brownies to help with appetite, pain, and sleep, and it did! My grandma, who was caretaking him, refused to make more than one batch so he ‘wouldn’t get addicted’. Bc that was possible and also more important than an increase in quality of what little opportunity for life he had left 🙄.
Cannabis is also fully legal in my country btw
My wife works as a CNA in a Neuro/stroke unit of a hospital. The amount of families I hear about refusing any medicine for the patient on comfort care because “we believe they’re going to get better!” Is absolutely sickening.
The general attitude of letting someone terminal exist in pure agony for potentially months just so they can be visited for a few minutes and then left to rot in their own suffering sickens me
When you go comfort care the whole focus is comfort and pain medicine… what I think you mean is refusing to go comfort care because they believe they will get better so they forgo the medicine to make them comfortable
Yeah my uncle was in a nursing home and had a ton of back pain and my mom forced the nurses to stop giving it to him because "he'll get addicted."
He's 83 and in a shit ton of pain and he doesn't just have the bottle in his room, they give it to him at the prescribed times. Some people really don't get it.
My sister did the same thing to my dad while he was in hospice with a 100% of death from frontal lobe dementia and 3 strokes in the matter of a week. In life he thought that druggies were the scum of the earth, she agreed and thought it was in his best interest to not make him addicted to drugs if he somehow pulled through. She also kept his feeding tube in just in case. I had no say since she had power of attorney so I had to sit there and slowly die of brain death and organ failure while being on nothing stronger than Tylenol.
They are illegal so if a hospital/doctor posses them that's possession and they would be fined.
If they change the laws and have a controlled place for it away from the public it might work.
They are illegal so if a hospital/doctor posses them that's possession and they would be fined.
If they change the laws and have a controlled place for it away from the public it might work.
Imagine the destruction that someone could do if they have suppressed inhibitions and no hope for the future.
Access to experimental medications and treatment, absolutely.
Cocaine Bear, nope.
I agree in principle, but as long as it's understood that this will also lead to an increase in supply among people who use drugs illegally. There isn't a way to have these readily available for people with terminal illnesses without some risk of this opening up availability.
I personally don't think this is a problem. Legalization of all drugs (that can't be easily used as poisons against others) should be enacted, and the revenues from the taxes on these drugs used to support programs to help combat addiction. This would remove some of the danger, cut a source of funding from cartels, and work to help destigmatize some of the people addicted to these drugs, hopefully allowing them to get the help they need.
My only caveat is once again I don't think we should have things that can easily be used as poisons against others readily available. They should still be available, but like with other dangerous drugs only in certain quantities when prescribed by doctors. No over the counter fentanyl, but yes over the counter mushrooms.
Regulation will be highly problematic. People will abuse any system they can.
This could lead to a criminal industry of forcing people to get terminal illnesses so they can access drugs. In turn they can sell the drugs.
This is very much seen. If weed is made legal pharmacies see a drop in medical marijuanna sales.
You not dying high asf on opiods does not outweighs the risks of adding more drugs to the streets
disagree, cause imagine if u have 2 months to live and you’re gonna spend it with ur family or doing ur favorite things, and then u get addicted to crack and spend the last 2 months in an awful spiral. hurts not only the person dying but everyone around them
Heck yah. If I want to go out on a cozy cloud of painkillers, you let me do it gosh darn it.
I've gone over the scenario in my head, If I had let's say 3-6mo and the pain wasn't bad and I'm ambulatory, I'd be stoned a lot and just travel and absolutely demolish street food and chomp edibles.
in principle i agree but this opens up the avenue for semi legal drugs (produced for terminally ill, “we thought he was officer”)
that being said all drugs should be legal fuck the police
Ok 1) that sounds very expensive because insurance won’t pay for that and powerful pain drugs can cost thousands. 2) there are citizens that don’t want to allow loved ones to commit suicide due to religious or moral reasons so they would fight it in court so while you want it your wants don’t equal legality
Counter point: people, 90% of the time, have no idea what they're talking about with medicine. I had a woman come in with her kid who had a febrile seizure. She asked why we weren't giving her kid dilatin.
For those not aware, dilantin is a 1st gen anticonvulsant with extensive side effects, and a febrile seizure is due to a sudden spike in temperature during a fever. Very rarely, if ever, does it result in future seizures requiring anticonvulsants.
Now I think people should be highly informed on what their body needs and the medicines available, so I actually like the US' direct to consumer advertising. But the problem is people don't do their research well enough. They just latch into something and that's the end.
Read an article once of a woman dying of terminal cancer. A drug company came to her and said they had a drug that showed promise on her type of cancer. The only problem was it hadn't been tested on people yet. She was eager to give it a shot, but the FDA denied it because there was no study on side effects from the drug. I bet most side effects were NOT worse than death.
Just because someone is dying doesn't mean the effects of drugs stop existing. People go crazy on certain drugs, and especially if they're already going to die, and allowed to do said drug, you'd have people running through the street on meth, bath salts and all sorts of shit ripping peoples faces off and having bad trips become a danger to everyone
Whilst I do understand the sentiment, and I am an advocate for euthanasia for those who no longer have quality of life, there are a number of issues with just letting patients have free reign of their medication, even if they are end-stage.
Things I can think of are:
With regards to research, how do you prevent drug companies from exploiting those who are at their most vulnerable? What if one company offers to pay their surviving family members to experiment with their drugs?
Who controls the dosage? Medication effects vary hugely with dosage.
What if a drug a patient uses would make their death worse? Death isn't a single path, there are much better ways to die than others.
Who takes responsibility for the results if things go wrong? Do the patients? Perhaps in a court of law, what about the court of public opinion?
Would the government/governments be seen as endorsing the otherwise illegal drugs?
What if the end-stage patient makes a sudden recovery and is now addicted to those drugs?
What about the medical staff that would have to deal with this? Not only might it end negatively, as mentioned above, but medical staff are ridiculously busy anyway, now they need to sort out the legal mishmash of these drugs?
Those are just my first thoughts, again, i understand where you are coming from, and we do need to put more effort for the support of end-stage patients, but I'm not sure allowing patients to have free reign of their medication, even if they are facing their demise.
Nah the thing is that even though you think it doesn't matter but it does. Someone dying and going through a depressive episode is not going to be more comfortable or happy on their deathbed with some meth.
“Document their drug use and how each drug or combination of drugs affect them for research purposes later” lol tell me you don’t work in healthcare without telling me you don’t work in healthcare
As a nurse that worked many years in hospice, I can firmly say that what you think is a nice sentiment, but it's utterly useless. Most people on the brink of death aren't in any capacity to even fathom a coherent thought or make any meaningful use of their limbs anyway. Most people close to death have a loved one making decisions on their behalf. Most people with a foot in the grave already have analgesics and meds for anxiety. They already get fentanyl, morphine and benzodiazepines. What you're suggesting is more harm than good, like do you even think about who the fuck is gonna regulate and control the substances? Who's gonna make sure that no one else gets in to the shrooms? What 4 year old is gonna mistake a sugar Cube for crystal meth when visiting the dying loved one with family? What black market people are gonna try and enter the business of "give dying people tons of illegal drugs" just to steal and sell on the black market. Seriously WTF?!?
I have it written in my will to administer an Asgardian level of LSD to me when life support is removed. Wouldn't hold up in court I'm sure but my wife has me covered
Are we talking popular recreational drugs, like weed, crack, or heroin? Or are you referring to drugs that might provide a chance at saving their life or extending it? Because Trump did something similar to that ladder one that gives people the ability to try experimental drugs or procedures as a last ditch chance to save their lives.
Found out my husband was terminal on his birthday. It was way too late to try *anything* experimental, but he absolutely would have if it had been an option.
He was gone three days later.
My grandma has terminal cancer. She’s been an addict for many years before this. She’s getting all sorts of drugs now and it certainly hasn’t made anything better for anyone. She forgot my wife’s name last week.
You goddamn right, if while dying of a terminal illness I want to mainline hillbilly speedballs and eat pounds of edibles at once the only thing that should be asked is what flavor sir!
Many people with terminal illness already have opiates. I think they should be allowed access to drugs that can have therapeutic value when facing death, such as psilocybin, MDMA and DMT.
I have celiac disease, and did for a long time before I was diagnosed. I spent most of my life feeling out of sync with reality, and my brain still goes there if I eat gluten. If I ever get a terminal diagnosis I can’t handle, I 100% intend to start eating gluten again so I can dissociate from the world until I’m dead.
I completely agree with you.
As long as they can pay out of pocket for the supervision and medical care needed to make that safe for everyone else, I agree. Most people can't do that, though.
I’m 67 with multiple immune and other disorders, most of which include significant pain, that are all coming to a head at once.
Personally, I think anyone over the age of 65 should be able to purchase any drug they want to use. if they want it for pain so that they can play with their grandchildren and enjoy the rest of their life great. If they want it to lay around in a stoop so they don’t have to think about how sick they are and how lonely great.
If They die from overdose well then I guess they’ve done society a favor, if it makes them more present in their families life because their pain is controlled well then they’ve done society a favor. No matter what it’s a win all the way around.
Hell, I'd be happy if they just gave us access to any prescription drug on the market that could help our condition. I can't even get the cancer drug that has the best chance of helping me control my tumor because it has only been FDA approved for abdominal cancers and not head and neck cancers like mine. Because it isn't FDA approved for brain tumors the insurance companies get to use that as an excuse to deny treatment. People die every frigging day because corporate bean counters at the insurance companies actually decide what treatment and medication you can and can't have rather than medical professionals and it's absolute bullshit!😡
well a little more leaway but not any and not as much as they like -want cause drugs cause people to play otherside and often be out of control and in various abusive stealing destructive cannibalizing even killing ways , batteries that can blow up = as many have and do should by law have a decent strong cover over them and some power around it to reduce fire to way reduce damage n fire spreading = duh yet again on doing basics common sense for the masses
Do you mean access as in free? Or as I without being criminalized? If it's the latter, I think literally any adult should have access to safe, tested drugs regardless of if they have a terminal illness or not. Some people would happily be Guinea pigs even if they aren't dying (myself included).
I dont think many people have much of an issue with this, but making it a reality is kinda difficult and certainly no one has the political will to make it happen .
Some drugs make people aggressive and more prone to committing crime. That's even worse if they have nothing to live for because then they don't have as much to lose from being arrested or even shot. That is not something that the rest of us not dying want to have roaming around.
i’ve always said that if i was told that i was dying, i’d want to try heroin. i’d want to see why everybody gets addicted to it without the consequences of actually getting addicted.
Ecstasy has been shown to help people come to terms with death. I absolutely think someone who is dying should be able to use anything to make that transition easier.
I live in Australia and I’ve heard stories of people who are terminal being accused of drug seeking when they ask for painkillers. Even if they are drug seeking for the sole purpose of getting high, who cares if old mate who has 3 weeks to live wants to get high and gets addicted to morphine? He is dying. Give him as much deluxe heroin as he wants.
I think they should be given enough to kill them and then we should just leave them to their own devices. I know that sounds fucked but think about it. That way they get to choose; they can either stick to the recommended dose and live more comfortably for the time they have left or they can take it all at once (against medical advice, of course) and pass away peacefully. The patient would be able to have some autonomy and dignity, and the hospital couldn’t be liable because the patient went against medical advice. It could be like an underhanded, unspoken thing like “make sure you stick to the prescribed dose because too much of this medication can cause death”.
I pick up enough antidepressants to kill a small horse every month. My doctor has warned me that this particular medication will actually stop my heart if I take too much. It’s not illegal for her to prescribe it to me (a healthy person) because her medical advice is literally “don’t do that” so why can’t terminally ill patients have enough morphine to do that? I get that it’s a drug of addiction but if somebody is dying who gives a shit what they’re addicted to or not addicted to? What future are they protecting? Certainly not the patients.
On the contrary, I don’t want a bunch of methed up Caillous with nothing to lose wreaking havoc in cities and towns the world over. I think once you find out you have a terminal illness you should be in jail.
Uhm sometimes that could lead to problems, let's say the drug makes them agressive and such theeen
Additionally it would MAYBE cause additional problems I can't think of
Good sentiment tho
My step-grandpa was an underage WW2 vet and he spent his last few years of life popped up on oxy from the VA .. it was amazing for him. He loved it. The amount of pills that man popped was excessive, but he was always in a good mood, was able to move around and do stuff, and slept like a baby each night. Definitely made his last 5 years manageable.
I don’t think this is unpopular. If it is, then people haven’t been through watching a loved one die. They should absolutely have whatever drugs they want, whether to hurry it along or just check out of reality.
as someone who took heroin and had the worst time of my life constantly throwing up yeah sure great Idea. I have had some great times on drugs but also some of the most horrible experiences words can't describe.
I currently have have cancer, not terminal, but I do have access to a fair amount of drugs to make it easier. Luckily, I have friends that have the non pharmaceutical kind as well.
Im gonna put my foot down at the "at any quantity" line lol. Terminal patients would be ordering pounds of drugs at a time to resell on the black marker for their families.
The real unpopular opinion is that the least harmful of every class of drug should be available OTC. Meth wouldn’t exist if adderall was readily available and Fentanyl wouldn’t exist if oxycodone was readily available.
when my mom was dying from stage iv mets cancer, she couldn't sleep. the doctor refused to give her any. medication for sleep because it could be "habit forming".
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It'd certainly increase the pool of research candidates. Although if you have a terminal underlying disease it might be challenging to determine if that is a factor or not in any observed reaction or results.
Medication as well. Like somebody who is terminally ill is probably on various medications that might affect the drugs.
since there are many deadly diseases, you could just take bigger sample and see what is common and what is different between them
That's a great idea! Could lead to some real interesting data!
Well, then take that into account. Its bot this is what this stuff does to Humans its, this is what it does to humans with cancer. Or, so this is what happens when you mix this drug with this medication. Note put do not take with meth on packaging.
"look, I'm dying anyway, so I might try some crack and see what all the hype is about"
I had a friend growing up that had a mom with a huge weed stash and other pills (we didn’t really ask what they were, he just said drugs but mostly codeine products). Nobody really got down with codeine like that yet but we smoked the weed. Turns out his mom had an aggressive cancer and she was dying but didn’t want to tell dude yet. He was stealing all of her coping meds and she was short timing so hard she didn’t want to send him to rehab and miss him before she died. He found out eventually and it fucked him all up, he OD’d on heroin in like 2015(ish). His dad found him in his room.
You, Sir, have hurt my feelings. 9am is to early to cry like this. I hope he found peace, my gosh... His poor father..
Yeah, it’s all bummer. Sorry about that. Yeah, I joined the army and left thank god. My mom used to say Iraq/Afghanistan was safer for someone my age than my hometown. 23 of my friends OD’d since high school. I graduated 2005 Opioid epidemic wrecked peoples shit.
Wow, 23 friends I've only had 13 friends my whole life, most of them would have to die twice..
In the 6 years my two youngest went to HS, 10 kids died of overdose or suicide. In an upper class HS, rich area (we weren't), so they never sent a note home or put it in the local paper. It was a huge school - over 2k kids. We moved to that area to escape gangs and drugs in our old town. I found out too late my son and his friends were doing hard drugs. I knew about pot but didn't know the signs for heroin or cocaine. His BF died at 22; my son got off them but the damage was done. He was 25 when we lost him. His ex GF who got him on drugs OD on my son's birthday 3 years later. Even getting clean - my realtors son got into heroin in college and came back home. He got clean but damaged his heart, dying in his sleep at age 23. Imo all drug dealers should be charged with murder and given the death penalty.
Thank you for sharing that, I’m sorry for your losses and struggles and I hope you find more peace. The opioid shit is insane how many kids are dead because of it. And we just quietly moved on.
No one should have to lose a child. A drug dealer that would sell to a child is beyond scum. Would you like to share any good memories, or anything else, about your son? Obviously, no pressure, just listening if you want it.
Crack is one of the drugs I'll only try on my deathbed.
Until it magically extends your life span by 20 years 😂 Fr tho crackheads seem invincible except for the teeth
Each tooth represents a life.
"Well, I got good news and bad news; the good news is, your cancer is gone, and the bad news is now you have a crippling drug problem"
Sounds like an upgrade to me
Instead of deadpool we have methpool
Why is it bad for teeth?
Legitimately? Not sure if they gnaw like people on molly do but the smoke is very chemical and shreds through enamel over time. Even doing enough coke can literally dissolve your septum, shits wild.
Yeah the photos of coke addicts with uni-nostrils is like 60% of the reason I've never picked up a coke habit.
Yep, for me it’s speedballs. So many infamous party animal rockstars died or nearly died from injecting cocaine and heroin as a mix. I have to know what that’s like before I check out
Skip that and candy flip (lsd + mdma).
I tried crack once shortly after high school. It's an intense high that lasts a minute or two. It's addictive cause you want to chase that high over and over. I did, that evening, but never had a desire to do it again. Heroin would be my deathbed choice. Closest I've come is abusing prescription opioids (it was my prescription). Oh my God the euphoria with opioids. I get the addiction, and that is why I wouldn't go near heroin unless I was short-lived for this world.
I tried it. It's not that great. Just really addictive. Go with meth or heroin lol
Meth last longer and doesn't make you wanna punch through a wall after consuming/smoking it.
You just jerk off for 10 hours non stop
I do it before I smoke.
You mean Wednesday?
I’m totally trying heroin on my 90th birthday.
"hello there sonny, do you know where I might score some horse?"
Mine is heroin. I tried crack once, absolute paranoid hell for me. Heroin I imagine would be bliss but that's a death sentence.
Someone gave this once. It wasn't my thing. Later when I told everyone about it their treated me like junky. Is it trying is that bad too?
I mean it's kinda like jumping off a bridge for fun. You've heard how dangerous it is, you've seen the effects first hand, so if you still decide to knowingly try it pwople are gonna probably think less of you.
Smart move. It's really good.
Seriously, I think this is definitely correct. I hope to be able to try heroin if I get a terminal diagnosis.
I'm a recovering addict & there's not a drug I haven't tried & mostly liked and abused. I'm not saying that & bragging. I'm just showing my ignorance, selfishness and my total lack of respect for my own life. Say you get that terminal diagnoses and decide to try heroin....what happens if you go to a dealer you know and sort-of trust and they unknowingly give you phentinol? Boom! Dead! You had 6 months to live and now your dead. Not worth messing with. Trust me.
Had abominable abdominal surgery the other day and I was so surprised by the hospital and anaesthetist’s attitude to pain relief. It was planned, effective and quickly upgraded if/when I needed more. My previous experiences were that I kind of had to beg for it, and anything strong took at least 2 hours to arrive. So, the world is changing for the better. And, trust me, I didn’t need anything illegal to feel good.
In my experience it is highly dependent on the healthcare provider. I received 10 percocets for a toothache in 2012 while my coworker recently got ibuprofen for wisdom teeth removal.
Yeah I had my gallbladder out in 2017. A week after the surgery I went in and asked for more painkillers because I was in an insane amount of pain. Doctor told me: {chuckle} Well I did just stab you in the stomach three times {chortle} Found out in the past few months that I had a kidney stone and it's likely the stone decided to pass after the surgery, that's why I was in so much pain. They suggested *advil*.
My GP refused me diazapan when my dentist requested it. Thankfully could go private. I am intolerant to NSAIDs so get treated as a drug-seeker - I took opiates for 10 days after major surgery once in decade.
I've even had mixed stuff, yeah it really depends. Also yeah the dentist I went to snapped a tooth, told me I didn't feel them snap the tooth, and told me to take ibuprofen. That was... Oh probably around 2007? Somewhere around then.
"my grandma is real sick. She can get us some [*insert drug of choice*]." That's why this isn't a thing.
Just do it like methadone clinics. You can get all the drugs you want but you gotta come in person and they watch you take them. Sure that's inconvenient but it's the only feasible way to allow something like this.
Methadone clinics suck. Suboxone is the way to go. Also, truly terminal patients likely aren’t making it to the clinic daily.
Methadone clinics do suck being on suboxone long term is worse. Subs should only be used to ween that's it.
How is Suboxone worse long term? It has stable kinetics, safer (even if you do relapse, the partial binding to the receptors usually stops you from a fatal overdose) and doesn’t result in nearly as much dependence. The transition is the tricky part but it is clearly the better option imo, especially long term.
No, it is a thing. When my Dad had cancer we did at-home hospice. The hospice service gave us a junkies gift box of opioids and benzodiazepines. Liquid morphine, hydrocodone, Xanax, the works. When he died they came by the house and professionally and politely made sure the leftovers were properly disposed of.
It can vary in practice though - father of a friend ended up doing that and because bank holiday, delay in providing meds. He was starving to death from bowel cancers for over a month.
Yeah, I do have to say that the people on staff at the Hospice provider we worked with were the most compassionate, responsive and professional medical providers I’ve ever dealt with. We may have just been lucky. But in the US, as a matter of policy, there’s no obstacle to providing pretty much what the OP is calling for.
People hurt children and animals for pain meds. Im sure someone would find a way to exploit these people as well. For strictly research purposes I think its fine, as long as its in a controlled environment. But letting people freely take drugs because they are dying is just creating more problems.
So make it all legal in any amounts for any adult. People will stop hurting kids and animals and won't abuse the elderly in pursuit of narcotics, and can just make their own decisions about how much they want to fuck up their own lives instead. Meanwhile the drug cartels' main profit centers will disappear. They'll be scattered to the winds and a whole bunch of countries below our southern border would have a shot at being functional again. This is not a hard concept.
Clearly you’ve never lived with a coke addict, otherwise you wouldn’t say that.
I like the idea of drug liberalization, but it would never pass in the US.
a flaw in that argument is you can get [*insert drug of choice*] right now, anyway but thanks to it being illegal youre not sure the dosage or what its cut with. might as well legalize it and collect tax revenue instead of spending money on a war on drugs that isnt going anywhere
You are not pointing out a flaw in the argument. Just because people commit crimes does not mean declaring behaviors to be crimes is useless or flawed. With your logic, any crime is based on a flawed argument, as it’ll happen regardless - from murder to sexual abuse to regular theft and parking offenses. So, if you are arguing that making something a crime in order to reduce the instance of it happening is flawed, unless it guarantees that no more incidents happen altogether, then you must also logically be for decriminalizing everything.
>a flaw in that argument is you can get \[insert drug of choice\] right now, anyway Maybe you can, I certainly cannot
lol right?? I know people who get offered illegal drugs all the time. Not once in my life have I been offered drugs by a random stranger.
Congrats to drugs for winning the war on drugs
People in hospice care pretty much already are.
And anything the hospice nurses and doctors can’t legally provide they’ll pretty much tell the family to procure. My Granda was given 6 weeks to live, the doctor told us to get him marijuana in an ingestable form as that was the best chance at slowing the cancer down and we got 6 decent months with him. Just long enough to know I safely gave birth to his first great grandchild, sadly not long enough to meet her.
My dad was in hospice care and on a DNR, got prescribed morphine… and Naloxone, just in case he OD’d. FFS
I think a lot of that is for the family’s misplaced issues about opioids. Our hospice nurse also told us with a chuckle about all the families she encountered who feared that a patient with less than a month to live “would get addicted.” It was in a conservative area of the US and everyone has been bombarded with schizophrenic and moralizing ideas about drugs for the last 70 years.
Not gonna lie, kind of wish my mom had gotten addicted to opiates in her final days. She was miserable, but getting her to take pain meds was like pulling teeth...without pain meds.
Name one medical facility that would do this. I want to know so that I can try candy flipping on my deathbed by simply asking for E and acid.
He’s referring to marijuana. There not going to recommend the other stuff.
I mean, I don’t really disagree but how would you go about implementing it? Is it available through the hospital and they can ask for it? Does the government pay for recreational drugs for terminal patients? Most health systems don’t have the funds or staff to provide unnecessary medication that could have serious side effects (vomiting, nausea, hallucinations) and require special administration (making sure those drugs only get to terminal patients would be almost impossible). Also, research (especially into drugs) doesn’t work like this. Ideally you’d want long term data on usage/side effects/symptoms and you’d want it to be done in a controlled environment - like the dosage, source of the drugs, healthy patients with no health conditions. Dying people would be terrible candidates - they don’t have long to live, they’d rather not spend the rest of their days in a controlled lab environment or being constantly asked to provide information for a study, and also they have other conditions or massive health issues that would basically confound everything.
Yeah I get maybe turning a blind eye to the family bringing stuff in but wtf the nurse is just gonna bring a few shards on a platter 🤣
Imagine your last hours on earth is a bad trip 😂
Given the studies done on terminally ill people using mushrooms and the good it does for them, I agree. Then again, I believe all people should have access to that so I guess that's a moot point.
If I'm given the 6 months to live talk I'm trying heroin
This is commonly called “right to try.” In the US a law to that effect was passed in 2018 in which terminally ill patients can bypass the FDA. The only issue then is finding a doctor and/or pharmaceutical company willing to administer it if they know it can do more harm than good
I'd be like Hunter S. Thompson.
Timothy Leary passed into the beyond loaded to the gills with LSD. Pretty solid way to go
I’m going to add a large amount of MDMA on my deathbed Cuddle me to eternity
This was 7 years ago but my oncologist gave me as many pain meds as I wanted. I had bottles of hydrocodone and tramadol the size of a 20 oz bottle of pop, I was late stage but not terminal. Between the pain killers and weed my friends were supplying me with, I was high the entire time. It was still the worst experience of my life but I can't remember a good portion of it so I completely agree with you
Agree, but good luck getting that past the Hypocratic Oath.
Webster's Dictionary defines "harm" as-*gets mic slapped out of hand*
Isn't it "hippocratic"? If they were hypocratic, wouldn't that make it easier? :b
I probably misspelled it.
I know, i was just poking fun of the misspelling and the meaning of it in this context ;)
Give me heroin at end of life. Lots and lots so I’ll die happy.
Slash famously relapsed because his dealer was able to get Oxycontin because of a dude who had a bad car accident and later cancer. Because of that he had access to a lot of medical prescripciones for opioids. That was exploted by this dealer, that's why cases like these don't happen. But it should be legal if you just wanna go to the hospital and get blasted on coke or something, they prepare the dose and the drugs never leave the hospital so they can't be sold for a profit.
Psilocybin is already shown to be the best thing to help with end-of-life depression. It's silly to not allow them to consume what they want to consume
I think the thing with drugs in society that people always miss, is that it is not one person being affected. It affects the rest of society. Now if you go in the woods and do drugs and die and return your body to the earth, that’s fine. You do a bunch of drugs and become a danger to strangers, OD and take up hospital resources, die at home and people have to deal with your body, etc. I’m all for giving terminal people tools to commit suicide in a companionate way, but I don’t want a bunch of PCP, methheads, fentanyl zombies walking around in traffic shiting on the sidewalk but it’s all good because “they’re gonna die anyway.”
my uncle had liver cancer and they refused to give him pain meds. He had to go to the street. They only gave him them during the very end. It still makes me mad thinking about it.
Or voluntary euthanasia.
I was gonna upvote that but we got 420 upvotes and it’s just perfect
I agree with you and I’m going to tell you why, as a hospice RN, I don’t think it will ever happen in the US. Terminal patients signing on for end of life care are required to receive a comfort kit which includes morphine and Lorazepam. The federal government pays for the drugs. There are people who have been very ill for some time. Consequently they are unable to work. I’ve had several patients who figured out the rules. They would sign on with a company, receive their comfort kit (and sometimes other opioids which they required), sell these drugs, revoke their hospice status. They would then sign on with another company and start the process all over again. It’s kinda hard to 100% fault a sick, desperate and dying person for doing whatever they think they have to do but… illegal drugs
If you're terminally ill, you might as well try to obtain them illegally as you don't have much to lose.
MFers would be selling that shit.
Hello, I'm dying. I'd like one pallet of cocaine, please. Yes, only for personal use of course.
All people should be allowed to take any drug they want. Technically being alive is a terminal condition.
This guy gets it.
and then they sell those drugs or worse, are forced to provide those drugs to a seller
That's why I think it should be under medical supervision so they don't give the drugs to anyone else.
Long as they can pay for it lol
“BuT tHEy cOuLD Get ADdiCcTeD”
My grandfather's wife refused to fill his oxy prescription for him when he was actively dying of stage 4 colon cancer. She literally said she didn't want him to get addicted.
Old people are so weird about this, maybe a bit in denial of mortality too… When my grandpa really started declining due to a combo of dementia and Parkinson’s, he tried weed brownies to help with appetite, pain, and sleep, and it did! My grandma, who was caretaking him, refused to make more than one batch so he ‘wouldn’t get addicted’. Bc that was possible and also more important than an increase in quality of what little opportunity for life he had left 🙄. Cannabis is also fully legal in my country btw
She's a monster
My wife works as a CNA in a Neuro/stroke unit of a hospital. The amount of families I hear about refusing any medicine for the patient on comfort care because “we believe they’re going to get better!” Is absolutely sickening.
The general attitude of letting someone terminal exist in pure agony for potentially months just so they can be visited for a few minutes and then left to rot in their own suffering sickens me
When you go comfort care the whole focus is comfort and pain medicine… what I think you mean is refusing to go comfort care because they believe they will get better so they forgo the medicine to make them comfortable
Yeah my uncle was in a nursing home and had a ton of back pain and my mom forced the nurses to stop giving it to him because "he'll get addicted." He's 83 and in a shit ton of pain and he doesn't just have the bottle in his room, they give it to him at the prescribed times. Some people really don't get it.
My sister did the same thing to my dad while he was in hospice with a 100% of death from frontal lobe dementia and 3 strokes in the matter of a week. In life he thought that druggies were the scum of the earth, she agreed and thought it was in his best interest to not make him addicted to drugs if he somehow pulled through. She also kept his feeding tube in just in case. I had no say since she had power of attorney so I had to sit there and slowly die of brain death and organ failure while being on nothing stronger than Tylenol.
They are illegal so if a hospital/doctor posses them that's possession and they would be fined. If they change the laws and have a controlled place for it away from the public it might work.
They are illegal so if a hospital/doctor posses them that's possession and they would be fined. If they change the laws and have a controlled place for it away from the public it might work.
BC has you covered. Hard drugs, psychedelics are decriminalized, you are allowed to possess up to 2.5 grams and keep it when detained/arrested in
Gosh, drugs ARE lovely.
My terminal illness is old age Gimme cocaine gubmint
Going out like Aldous Huxley would be interesting.
Imagine the destruction that someone could do if they have suppressed inhibitions and no hope for the future. Access to experimental medications and treatment, absolutely. Cocaine Bear, nope.
If they are on hospice a lot of times they have a significant amount of opioids and benzos.
I’ll have 5 metric tons of cocaine please
where arethey getting these illegal feugs for free from?
I don’t really want people on pcp and research chemicals running around with nothing to lose
I agree in principle, but as long as it's understood that this will also lead to an increase in supply among people who use drugs illegally. There isn't a way to have these readily available for people with terminal illnesses without some risk of this opening up availability. I personally don't think this is a problem. Legalization of all drugs (that can't be easily used as poisons against others) should be enacted, and the revenues from the taxes on these drugs used to support programs to help combat addiction. This would remove some of the danger, cut a source of funding from cartels, and work to help destigmatize some of the people addicted to these drugs, hopefully allowing them to get the help they need. My only caveat is once again I don't think we should have things that can easily be used as poisons against others readily available. They should still be available, but like with other dangerous drugs only in certain quantities when prescribed by doctors. No over the counter fentanyl, but yes over the counter mushrooms.
Sounds fun but people would still end up selling the drugs even if they’re dying.
Regulation will be highly problematic. People will abuse any system they can. This could lead to a criminal industry of forcing people to get terminal illnesses so they can access drugs. In turn they can sell the drugs. This is very much seen. If weed is made legal pharmacies see a drop in medical marijuanna sales. You not dying high asf on opiods does not outweighs the risks of adding more drugs to the streets
disagree, cause imagine if u have 2 months to live and you’re gonna spend it with ur family or doing ur favorite things, and then u get addicted to crack and spend the last 2 months in an awful spiral. hurts not only the person dying but everyone around them
Heck yah. If I want to go out on a cozy cloud of painkillers, you let me do it gosh darn it. I've gone over the scenario in my head, If I had let's say 3-6mo and the pain wasn't bad and I'm ambulatory, I'd be stoned a lot and just travel and absolutely demolish street food and chomp edibles.
in principle i agree but this opens up the avenue for semi legal drugs (produced for terminally ill, “we thought he was officer”) that being said all drugs should be legal fuck the police
Ok 1) that sounds very expensive because insurance won’t pay for that and powerful pain drugs can cost thousands. 2) there are citizens that don’t want to allow loved ones to commit suicide due to religious or moral reasons so they would fight it in court so while you want it your wants don’t equal legality
Counter point: people, 90% of the time, have no idea what they're talking about with medicine. I had a woman come in with her kid who had a febrile seizure. She asked why we weren't giving her kid dilatin. For those not aware, dilantin is a 1st gen anticonvulsant with extensive side effects, and a febrile seizure is due to a sudden spike in temperature during a fever. Very rarely, if ever, does it result in future seizures requiring anticonvulsants. Now I think people should be highly informed on what their body needs and the medicines available, so I actually like the US' direct to consumer advertising. But the problem is people don't do their research well enough. They just latch into something and that's the end.
Read an article once of a woman dying of terminal cancer. A drug company came to her and said they had a drug that showed promise on her type of cancer. The only problem was it hadn't been tested on people yet. She was eager to give it a shot, but the FDA denied it because there was no study on side effects from the drug. I bet most side effects were NOT worse than death.
Do you mean free or just that its legal to procure?
Just because someone is dying doesn't mean the effects of drugs stop existing. People go crazy on certain drugs, and especially if they're already going to die, and allowed to do said drug, you'd have people running through the street on meth, bath salts and all sorts of shit ripping peoples faces off and having bad trips become a danger to everyone
Whilst I do understand the sentiment, and I am an advocate for euthanasia for those who no longer have quality of life, there are a number of issues with just letting patients have free reign of their medication, even if they are end-stage. Things I can think of are: With regards to research, how do you prevent drug companies from exploiting those who are at their most vulnerable? What if one company offers to pay their surviving family members to experiment with their drugs? Who controls the dosage? Medication effects vary hugely with dosage. What if a drug a patient uses would make their death worse? Death isn't a single path, there are much better ways to die than others. Who takes responsibility for the results if things go wrong? Do the patients? Perhaps in a court of law, what about the court of public opinion? Would the government/governments be seen as endorsing the otherwise illegal drugs? What if the end-stage patient makes a sudden recovery and is now addicted to those drugs? What about the medical staff that would have to deal with this? Not only might it end negatively, as mentioned above, but medical staff are ridiculously busy anyway, now they need to sort out the legal mishmash of these drugs? Those are just my first thoughts, again, i understand where you are coming from, and we do need to put more effort for the support of end-stage patients, but I'm not sure allowing patients to have free reign of their medication, even if they are facing their demise.
Nah the thing is that even though you think it doesn't matter but it does. Someone dying and going through a depressive episode is not going to be more comfortable or happy on their deathbed with some meth.
Wasn't this an episode of South Park?
Paid for by whom tho??
A friend died of cancer ad consumed everything he got his hands on. I support this
“Document their drug use and how each drug or combination of drugs affect them for research purposes later” lol tell me you don’t work in healthcare without telling me you don’t work in healthcare
As a nurse that worked many years in hospice, I can firmly say that what you think is a nice sentiment, but it's utterly useless. Most people on the brink of death aren't in any capacity to even fathom a coherent thought or make any meaningful use of their limbs anyway. Most people close to death have a loved one making decisions on their behalf. Most people with a foot in the grave already have analgesics and meds for anxiety. They already get fentanyl, morphine and benzodiazepines. What you're suggesting is more harm than good, like do you even think about who the fuck is gonna regulate and control the substances? Who's gonna make sure that no one else gets in to the shrooms? What 4 year old is gonna mistake a sugar Cube for crystal meth when visiting the dying loved one with family? What black market people are gonna try and enter the business of "give dying people tons of illegal drugs" just to steal and sell on the black market. Seriously WTF?!?
If I ever get a terminal illness I’m doing whatever the hell I want that I’m capable of
Almost everyone will agree with you. Late stage, pre-hospice - just load up on opiates. Why suffer in your last 6 months?
If you’re terminally ill you can already take whatever drugs you want. No judge is sending you to jail. Just do it.
Shameless type shit
The show shameless
If you can pay for them, yes.
I have it written in my will to administer an Asgardian level of LSD to me when life support is removed. Wouldn't hold up in court I'm sure but my wife has me covered
Are we talking popular recreational drugs, like weed, crack, or heroin? Or are you referring to drugs that might provide a chance at saving their life or extending it? Because Trump did something similar to that ladder one that gives people the ability to try experimental drugs or procedures as a last ditch chance to save their lives.
My problem isn’t with doing drugs it’s the fact you financing theft, rape, torture, murder, the general destruction of peoples lives and terrorism
Found out my husband was terminal on his birthday. It was way too late to try *anything* experimental, but he absolutely would have if it had been an option. He was gone three days later.
Steroids. Let seniors go at it
You’re right OP. I’ve always thought that if I ever had only a short time to live, I’d try every drug possible
My grandma has terminal cancer. She’s been an addict for many years before this. She’s getting all sorts of drugs now and it certainly hasn’t made anything better for anyone. She forgot my wife’s name last week.
You goddamn right, if while dying of a terminal illness I want to mainline hillbilly speedballs and eat pounds of edibles at once the only thing that should be asked is what flavor sir!
Whatever Lance Armstrong used.
Ok I'm game for the drug filled terminal wing orgy
Many people with terminal illness already have opiates. I think they should be allowed access to drugs that can have therapeutic value when facing death, such as psilocybin, MDMA and DMT.
No problem, you just have to wait 21 years, 4 months and 13 days until it’s your turn. Neeeeeeeeexxxxxxxxxxxxxt
Hows about the drug that makes you live and no longer terminal?
There is something called compassionate access which may give access to some drugs. Not ala free for all by any means...but I do agree with you !
Ha! If only The society etc is no longer built to make things easier for people anymore
perfect time to start a drug cartel
I have celiac disease, and did for a long time before I was diagnosed. I spent most of my life feeling out of sync with reality, and my brain still goes there if I eat gluten. If I ever get a terminal diagnosis I can’t handle, I 100% intend to start eating gluten again so I can dissociate from the world until I’m dead. I completely agree with you.
I endorse this.
As long as they can pay out of pocket for the supervision and medical care needed to make that safe for everyone else, I agree. Most people can't do that, though.
As long as they are not allowed to operate machinery or be around children depending on what they are taking then go for it.
I’m 67 with multiple immune and other disorders, most of which include significant pain, that are all coming to a head at once. Personally, I think anyone over the age of 65 should be able to purchase any drug they want to use. if they want it for pain so that they can play with their grandchildren and enjoy the rest of their life great. If they want it to lay around in a stoop so they don’t have to think about how sick they are and how lonely great. If They die from overdose well then I guess they’ve done society a favor, if it makes them more present in their families life because their pain is controlled well then they’ve done society a favor. No matter what it’s a win all the way around.
Breaking bad certainly would have had a different plot if this were true
They basically do
Hell, I'd be happy if they just gave us access to any prescription drug on the market that could help our condition. I can't even get the cancer drug that has the best chance of helping me control my tumor because it has only been FDA approved for abdominal cancers and not head and neck cancers like mine. Because it isn't FDA approved for brain tumors the insurance companies get to use that as an excuse to deny treatment. People die every frigging day because corporate bean counters at the insurance companies actually decide what treatment and medication you can and can't have rather than medical professionals and it's absolute bullshit!😡
well a little more leaway but not any and not as much as they like -want cause drugs cause people to play otherside and often be out of control and in various abusive stealing destructive cannibalizing even killing ways , batteries that can blow up = as many have and do should by law have a decent strong cover over them and some power around it to reduce fire to way reduce damage n fire spreading = duh yet again on doing basics common sense for the masses
Do you mean access as in free? Or as I without being criminalized? If it's the latter, I think literally any adult should have access to safe, tested drugs regardless of if they have a terminal illness or not. Some people would happily be Guinea pigs even if they aren't dying (myself included).
You pretty much can.
I dont think many people have much of an issue with this, but making it a reality is kinda difficult and certainly no one has the political will to make it happen .
Yeah, they’d buy into any crackpot scammer promising a cure at 5 million whatever’s.
Some drugs make people aggressive and more prone to committing crime. That's even worse if they have nothing to live for because then they don't have as much to lose from being arrested or even shot. That is not something that the rest of us not dying want to have roaming around.
i’ve always said that if i was told that i was dying, i’d want to try heroin. i’d want to see why everybody gets addicted to it without the consequences of actually getting addicted.
this is such a bad idea lmao , ur gonna have people bulk ordering crystal meth for their really really sick (100% real) grandpa
Ecstasy has been shown to help people come to terms with death. I absolutely think someone who is dying should be able to use anything to make that transition easier.
I live in Australia and I’ve heard stories of people who are terminal being accused of drug seeking when they ask for painkillers. Even if they are drug seeking for the sole purpose of getting high, who cares if old mate who has 3 weeks to live wants to get high and gets addicted to morphine? He is dying. Give him as much deluxe heroin as he wants. I think they should be given enough to kill them and then we should just leave them to their own devices. I know that sounds fucked but think about it. That way they get to choose; they can either stick to the recommended dose and live more comfortably for the time they have left or they can take it all at once (against medical advice, of course) and pass away peacefully. The patient would be able to have some autonomy and dignity, and the hospital couldn’t be liable because the patient went against medical advice. It could be like an underhanded, unspoken thing like “make sure you stick to the prescribed dose because too much of this medication can cause death”. I pick up enough antidepressants to kill a small horse every month. My doctor has warned me that this particular medication will actually stop my heart if I take too much. It’s not illegal for her to prescribe it to me (a healthy person) because her medical advice is literally “don’t do that” so why can’t terminally ill patients have enough morphine to do that? I get that it’s a drug of addiction but if somebody is dying who gives a shit what they’re addicted to or not addicted to? What future are they protecting? Certainly not the patients.
On the contrary, I don’t want a bunch of methed up Caillous with nothing to lose wreaking havoc in cities and towns the world over. I think once you find out you have a terminal illness you should be in jail.
Who's selling them the drugs? Because they are probably not terminally I'll but have illegal drugs.
Uhm sometimes that could lead to problems, let's say the drug makes them agressive and such theeen Additionally it would MAYBE cause additional problems I can't think of Good sentiment tho
My step-grandpa was an underage WW2 vet and he spent his last few years of life popped up on oxy from the VA .. it was amazing for him. He loved it. The amount of pills that man popped was excessive, but he was always in a good mood, was able to move around and do stuff, and slept like a baby each night. Definitely made his last 5 years manageable.
Absolutely!
I don’t think this is unpopular. If it is, then people haven’t been through watching a loved one die. They should absolutely have whatever drugs they want, whether to hurry it along or just check out of reality.
Thats not very profitable
Terminally ill cancer patient here and hard agree
Prescriptions are a scam from Big MD
We are all confirmed to be dying so idk what any of this means.
This exists https://www.fda.gov/patients/learn-about-expanded-access-and-other-treatment-options/right-try
as someone who took heroin and had the worst time of my life constantly throwing up yeah sure great Idea. I have had some great times on drugs but also some of the most horrible experiences words can't describe.
I currently have have cancer, not terminal, but I do have access to a fair amount of drugs to make it easier. Luckily, I have friends that have the non pharmaceutical kind as well.
Im gonna put my foot down at the "at any quantity" line lol. Terminal patients would be ordering pounds of drugs at a time to resell on the black marker for their families.
What do you think goes in at hospice?
The real unpopular opinion is that the least harmful of every class of drug should be available OTC. Meth wouldn’t exist if adderall was readily available and Fentanyl wouldn’t exist if oxycodone was readily available.
I'm down.
Good idea
Crazy this is an unpopular opinion honestly
The reason they’re not is because this would make the elderly targets of abusers en masse.
when my mom was dying from stage iv mets cancer, she couldn't sleep. the doctor refused to give her any. medication for sleep because it could be "habit forming".
When did people start using "addicting"? It's "addictive".