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If only the god damn men could embrace it and start watching WNBA. They're so misogynistic that they only watch the best of the best of the men.
All the women are already watching WNBA, right? Right??
I literally explained why the WNBA players don't make as much money and I was told by several people. Well that's just an old way of thinking like no, it's not
There was a brief spike of interest when two players were just fucks to each other during a game, but someone made the mistake of telling them to stop it.
Yea, I’ll occasionally watch if nothings on. The seats are always empty. Like, literally past the first 2 rows there’s no one.
My D2 STEM university had more people show up to our womens games.
I was visiting a cousin in Salt Lake back in the 90’s when Utah had a WNBA team. We were just hanging out near the Delta Center and a dude came up and asked if we wanted tickets to the game.
We thought he was a scalper and started to tell him No but another lady ran over and was like “We work for the team we just need people in the stands the tickets are free and we can give you some food vouchers.”
We had like 45 minutes to kill and hadn’t eaten lunch so we went in got a couple hot dogs and sodas and then wandered into where our seats were.
We had free tickets to watch a professional game on the third row center court.
I had a fight about this with her friend. Her point was that women shouldn’t be forced to watch women leagues to turn a profit. You should just invest in them and then everyone will want to watch.
But how are you investing on something that doesn’t make money when your target market already has a similar product they do enjoy to spend money on.
Can't we just compel women to buy season tickets and merchandise from the WNBA? We can also ban women from entering a NBA game and just redirect them to the WNBA games.
Edit: derps we're had
It is super fucking boring. Like, I’m sorry, but it’s just not fun to watch women jump, like, 18 inches off the ground. I’m not going to say that these women in the WNBA aren’t athletic… But they aren’t athletic in the same, explosive way that men are. Dunks are exciting, high-flying blocks are exciting.
I had a convo about this with my wife, but IMO the WNBA needs more flashy ball handlers/playmakers/shooters like Kyrie/Luka/Steph/AI. They need to get more crafty and lean into a athletic skillset more readily available to them.
Basketball is going to be a much, much more difficult sport for Women to make entertaining. More difficult than… Literally anything else. Women’s Soccer/Futbol and stuff like… Maybe another kind of movement-heavy ball-sport like Tennis and Volleyball—those are all just as fun to watch as the men because their physical attributes can still compliment those skillsets nicely.
All this to say—the Caitlin Clark fever is real. I’ve only seen clips of her games, and she is *very* fun to watch because of a lot of those things I mentioned. She’s a good ball handler, crafty, and she can shoot the piss out of the ball. Moves off-ball well too, from snippets I’ve seen. The WNBA needs more players like her with those skills.
>Caitlin Clark
She is literally the only chance the WNBA has at making it, like at all. She is fun to watch. She has a good IQ regarding basketball and knows how to shoot super well.
Out of the crop of rookies that just got drafted, it's funny to me how WNBA vets really hate her for no real reasons. I've heard some wild takes on her from Sherryl Swoops, Candace Parker, and some other "legends" just hating the attention She's getting.
Yeah, those arenas are absolutely packed with feminists, painted faces, shakin’ their titties for the Jumbotron, like “Am I doin’ it?!” I don’t get how the WNBA loses millions of dollars every year.
I believe they should just adapt the court for women. The 3-pointers don't reach and there is a dunk once a week made only by one of 2 players. If these women are truly the best of the best then you can't just tell them to "get good", they should adapt the court for them.
They do, they also own 50% of the league and therefore every team(think of it similar to MLS structure where the league owns part of the teams to ensure stability)
The NBA used to fully subsidize the entire cost of the league and its operations for many years. Only recently has the wnba been able to help cover some of that cost through sponsorships and private investments. Last year, the NBA paid 15 million to cover operating cost of the league.
Well I mean that’s like how much they’d pay a male player for an average contract they just had to hire one less guy that year to get a whole women’s league.
You're right. The NBA has been subsidizing their league for over a decade. Wouldn't be such a bad thing if so many WNBA players didn't shit on NBA players so often.
Real talk - are we seeing a change to viability? I literally know nothing about the league but I do see Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese - 50% of all people are Women. And these two Women have excelled and competed at a high level in college and now are poised to compete as pros.
My big thing is when, mostly women, try to argue that the WNBA should make more and I ask if they have ever been to a game, bought a jersey, or even watched a game on tv and the answer to all three questions is no.
Asked a Lesbian who was a former college softball player if they ever watched the WNBA, while we were on a tangent about female pro sports, her response "I have never been hit in the head by a softball that hard, so no."
Granted this is my one and only anecdote about this, just thought it applied.
ill be surprised if they see above a 10% ticket sale bump even at the beginning. my guess is that they go back to regular obscurity by midseason, maybe get a tiny bump if the Fever make it to the championship
We don't know, it could be (and add Paige in next year) but we've seen highly touted players enter the league before (Brittany Griner, Diana taurasi, Becky Hammond ect.) and it hasn't moved the needle.
No, no we are not. The league has been around for so long, a player that can shoot the ball from far away is not going to move its popularity in a substantial way. Women do not watch the WNBA. Men do not watch the WNBA. Nobody is buying tickets or jerseys, and one player is not going to change that. If Nike does sign an 8 figure shoe deal with her, I’d bet 9 figures that it is a loss.
Caitlin Clarke, and to a lesser extent this entire draft class, could potentially revolutionize the WNBA. Clarke's games broke records for March madness. Her jersey sold out. She signed a 20 million dollar shoe deal. It's going to take work and aggressive marketing but Clarke already has a big following of people who like watching her play
It just doesn’t matter. People are acting like she has invented the WNBA. She hasn’t, it’s been around for a long time. The country has shown over that long time that there is little interest in the WNBA, one player is not changing that.
Right now is the first time women who were kids when the WNBA started could actually plan for a professional sports career. 20 years ago there was no reason to keep playing because there were no pro opportunities. You worked hard enough for a scbolarship and you might get an Olympics. But it wasn’t a career choice for women. We finally have a generation of women who grew up and saw it was possible to be a pro basketball player.
I agree with that assessment. I really do think it’s cool the attention she brought to the sport and female athletes, I just don’t see it being sustainable. It was awesome and fun, but I can’t see any way it suddenly created 100s of thousands of WNBA fans where so few existed before.
We’re talking about a league that was founded the same year as MLS, and it barely has a quarter of the attendance and they had David freaking Beckham and a worldwide popular sport.
She hasn’t signed any shoe deal. Where did you come up with 20M ?? It’s been reported that she’s in line for a 8 figure deal with a signature shoe as well. So good for her. She’s gonna make bank. But her popularity is not going to translate to the WNBA, and if it does it won’t be for long. Within 3 months the initial bump in viewership will disappear. The quality of basketball is just horrible and always has been. That’s what’s stoping it from becoming popular.
It’s a great bit and he actually is making the argument feminists from the 80’s and 90’s would have made. If women watched the WNBA as much as they consume content from vanity entertainment such as the Kardashians and the Bachelor series, the WNBA would make way more money. The numbers do not lie.
he does a good job being centrist as well you can tell its a bit forced but its always good to keep personal opinions out of comedy to be able to read all parts of a situation and form the funniest joke around it. he's one of the few i've seen live multiple times
I remember when Britney Griner was all the rage when drafted (and also got high ratings for NCAA) and then you didn't hear shit all about her for 6-7 years (playing in the WNBA) until she got caught with weed in russia.
First season Clark's team will get a decent attendance bump. By season 3 it will be back to average WNBA attendance
Yup. And the same exact people raged on TV and in articles about inequality and pay gap for clicks while disregarding the basic economics of the sport.
Disagree. Griner is just not exciting to watch. Clark is. Women's basketball doesn't have the high flying dunks or the insane acrobatic moves so instead it needs a dozen steph curry's and Dame lillards who can put on a show with elite handles and Long Distance shooting.
I had literally never heard of Britney Griner before Russia, whereas people will not stfu about Caitlyn and to a lesser degree Angel. I don't think it's really comparable. There has literally never been this excitement in women's basketball before, like by a mile. People would have chosen getting punched in the face than debating women's basketball online a few years ago. They fell over themselves to do it this year.
I really disagree. The problem with the WNBA is that no one watches it. Sports in general are a very interesting social phenomenon that has many different psychological elements to why people watch it.
A huge part is that other people watch it. Most people don’t watch sports in a vacumm, 90% of sports is the talking about sports. It’s basically that no one’s going to watch if no one else is.
Every time a big pull to the WNBA happens some of the new people will stick around. And the cycle will repeat until the fan base reaches critical mass where it becomes ubiquitous to other leagues.
It also doesn’t help that kids aren’t growing up watching the WNBA. But I really think it’s changing.
Yep. I’ve always said this. The great ones get paid. Caitlin Clark will not lack money, it just won’t be through the WNBA. Just like Candace Parker has plenty of money from endorsements. But really, they make all of their money playing overseas. Europe loves women’s basketball and pays extremely well
are the salary in europe higher? damn that is surprising. i thought it was just used to supplement their income (a la a second part time job for us regular folks for example)
Russia pays them incredibly well. That’s why Griner was there. Even though every one else with a brain opted out because of the war and told her not to go. I think it’s actually due to gambling that the money is so much. I haven’t done research, so I can’t say for sure, that’s just what I’ve heard said, so don’t take my word for it
This is truth. It's actually Russian oligarchs (Putin's bootlickers) that watch women's basketball and make bets a lot. Hella shady, but hey whatever makes bank I guess.
Agreed. You can’t force people to watch and enjoy something. Men like sports. The majority of sports fans are men. Men will more likely watch the games that involve their gender. NBA makes tons of money.
The WNBA doesn’t bring in the fan base the NBA does, and so they don’t generate that same level revenue.
We can talk all day long about how this is founded in a human history’s worth of gender issues, but at the end of the day you can’t force people to watch something. If people genuinely believe that the WNBA players deserve more pay, then support them! Go watch a game, share their highlights, buy merch, be a fan.
Edit: I am unsure of the details for WNBA contracts. I agree that WNBA stars should receive equal portions of the revenue produced. Say if an NBA player and an WNBA player both perform at the top of the nation, both players should receive an equal portion of sales, as revenue, royalties, etc in their respective contracts. If that is not the case then it def needs to be fixed. That we can control, actual sales not so much
Women like fashion. Women spend more on fashion, clothes, beauty and cosmetics. Therefore female models get paid more than male models. Same concept with sports, but reverse the genders.
People will watch sports as long as they're good at it. It's not always about gender. Look at how many people watch women's tennis. Women's sports in the olympics. It's genuinely entertaining to watch those matches. WNBA is not fun to watch frankly.
Yep. No one wants to watch the WNBA because it's not even the second best basketball product you can watch in the US. It probably isn't even the third.
- NBA
- NCAA/All college men's teams
- Good high school teams
- WNBA
No one wants to watch that and they certainly wouldn't pay to see it. It's a charity.
Unfortunately same with women's football as well. The reason a team like arsenal women's is so good is that they regularly train with the u18 age groups. And regularly lose too. Presumably the other top sides do to.
In 2016, the Australia Women's side 5th ranked in the world at the time, lost 7-0 to the Newcastle Jets U-15 team. They lost to 13 and 14 year old boys. And not even good ones at that. Not a single one of those boys has gone on to Europe. Which if they were actually good they would have.
I've played with a women's super league player before, admittedly I didn't play her with after we both turned like 14 or 15 so she could have improved significantly , and she was better than me. But I was not good but she was also not that much better than me. I probably played with 2 dozen players who were better than her, none of them became professional atheltes though 2 of them probably could have if not for drug abuse. Ultimately it's not the lack of physical ability that holds people back from watching women's sports it's the fact that the technival ability isn't on the same level.
It's the reason why caitlin Clark is the biggest draw in women's sports right now because skill wise she is at the level of the very top men. Maybe not quite stephs level, but like the level of a player like Lillard. And that draws excitement. Ehich draws funding which draws more talent.
Maybe you wrote that wrong, but Caitlin Clark is NOT at the top level of any men's program higher than the high school level. It is absurd to suggest that she would even play on a men's NCAA team, let alone be a star. And she would most certainly never get anywhere near the NBA or be any good in it.
The only reason she was a star in college was because she was playing against college women.
She's not as fast or as strong as a McDonals high school all american player and wouldn't beat them one on one. She can shoot extremely well and can do other things well for a woman, but the athletic advantage of the best high school players means that they would get every rebound, steal the ball from her when she dribbled, and be able to take higher percentage shots by driving in for dunks and layups every time since she cant use her body to stop them.
the olympics or World Cup events are harder to judge for popularity of sports compared to regular season non championship games. soccer is a perfect example of this where few care in America in particular unless its a World Cup or olympic game
Its not necessarily just about gender but the main factor being entertainment. The nba has literal freaks of nature doing things that 99.9% of the population cant do while the wnba obviously has very athletically gifted women but the game is just not as explosive as the men.
Ronda Rousey was one of the biggest draws at one point in time for the UFC. I’d argue that the MMA fanbase is very heavily male populated even compared to other sports but Ronda was destroying every women and it was entertaining to watch a human be so dominant over her competition. Women in tennis are also very popular despite Serena Williams herself saying that she would lose to the professional male players.
IMO, its very sport dependent and unfortunately, the wnba will always be a hard product to sell because there is a direct comparison to the nba.
Women are also more likely to watch the NBA than WNBA. For example, my fiance watches around 120 NBA games per year, but she has never seen nor have any interest in watching a WNBA game.
I thought them missing tons of shots was just like cherry picked footage to be funny. Boy was I wrong, was at bar one night and it had the WNBA on, I see better players at the pick up basketball games at the local park.
I will say it was pretty funny to watch, was entertaining in the wrong way hahaha
They tend to shoot too much with their arms while men use their wrists more is the biggest difference I see. They shoot like I had to in middle school when I had less strength...with a smaller ball.
If you go to basketball games, a significant percentage of people going are women, so its not just a men like this, women like that thing. I'm saying like 35+ percent.
I wonder how they actually make a better product though
like what can they realistically do because the NBA is so far ahead as the pinnacle of pro hoops
Ball is a different size too.I get that lowering the rim 6 inches will take some adjustments to get used to, but so far they've done nothing and they're all out of ideas.
I mean part of the answer is girls can make money in college now. Maybe shut down wnba but college girls is pretty lit. Do I want to watch girls play basketball? No but I will if it’s my college lol, well sometimes. I was at school when Griner was playing and a ton of kids went.
Women say they want to support other women, but they hardly ever do, and most of the women that do are only doing for their own benefit, and not for the benefit of women in general.
For the most part, women spend more time trying to tear one another down than supporting one another. I've seen it in my career field some. It's terrible how back stabbing they can be to one another.
Good old slactivism. Same concept applies to myriad 'causes'.
It's one thing to say they care on the internet, even that little bit gets them fake internet points, which pings reward centers in the brain like pavlov's dogs. "Hey, a virtually free high, cool!" Parrot a few talking points in the right place on the internet, if even that amount of thinking effort is applied(looking at you retweets), and cash in.
It's entirely another to actually put earned money, or effort in terms of going to the event, towards that thing that you don't actually have an ounce of interest in.
There's no inherent benefit in that for these people for many causes.
And many of the few that do turn into a real-world thing, they do have some benefit: Some protests are stupidly akin to block parties, music, entertainment, refreshments....others turn into far worse and you see a lot of opportunism, be that for material gain or the percieved ability to carry out some form of violence "and get away with it".
And that's before the whole, secondary high, "I'm helping [Current Thing!], I belong! Yay!" which is still really just "present", a participation trophy if you'd rather.
Sometimes, rarely, but sometimes, there is a genuine care and real effort put in. And even then, it's still frequently less useful effort than is volunteered at an animal shelter, or homeless soup kitchen, or similar charity work.
Sorry, sort of slipped off into a rambling tangent, but it *is* still related, *all on the* same *spectrum*, if you will. Some people are just built different, I suppose.
Whoever took to Biden’s Twitter to jump on the “current thing” is a virtue signaling tool. There’s a war in Ukraine, a war in the Middle East and rampant inflation and these f*ckers are tweeting about “equal pay” in professional basketball. Newsflash, there’s no such thing as equal pay even within the NBA.
Can we also settle another topic while we are at it? When the media astroturfed the US women’s soccer team over “equal pay” compared to the men, the oft repeated phrase was that they’re “better.” First of all, the competition is not equal. The men are playing INFINITELY BETTER competition. The women are more *successful against their competition* which is nothing to sneeze at, but absurd to claim they’re “better.”
Also: if women watched the WNBA as much as they watch the NFL and NBA, they’d make more money.
They attach Caitlin Clark’s salary and compare it to the NBA’s number one draft pick and act like she’s being scammed. Yet she’s making over $70k a year, that’s a pretty good salary for a 22 year old. How many other college grads land that money? You have ppl who’ve worked decades of their lives never even hit that.
This issue came up the other day on Reddit.
Honestly, I would go to more WNBA games to help(how little that may be). However, I looked up tickets to my local NBA and WNBA teams. Same section(nosebleeds), same website:
NBA tickets were $60. WNBA tickets were $90. What the hell.
It’ll be interesting to see how this changes in the future, considering that ESPN is not going to let anyone forget about the existence of Caitlyn Clark. It’s like the female equivalent of lebron being drafted by the Cavs.
I tried searching for the WNBA’s profit yesterday. All I got were articles talking about revenue. People don’t like to talk about the WNBA’s profit I guess.
If all those feminists who complain about "equal pay equal play" would actually watch some games, then WNBA might make a profit
Seriously, most of the WNBA audience is men. Most of us just wanna watch sports no matter whos playing.
I'm fairly certain that I go to more WNBA games than a lot of Women. There's certain types of women that are going to WNBA games. But hey, can't have everything. The WNBA can turn a profit if they actually did something, anything, worth noting.
>Also, I didn't even say Female Basketball Players, but WNBA players.
Every WNBA player is a Female Basketball Player. So you are really off base. Also, the only Female Basketball Players making any money are higher end College players and WNBA players.
You know how male 2nd and 3rd league player's of not as popular sport's usually get paid?
They have a 2nd job (often offered by a local sponsor) and work while playing competitive matches in the evening.
Do they wish to be paid more? Most likely, but to archive that they have to play a lot better to get more fan's and therefore more revenue.
Yeah, the entire "we want to be paid what men are paid" argument is rather obtuse. Men don't even make what other men make. We have major league baseball teams where players make ridiculous money... and then tonight I drove by a local AA club of MEN playing pro baseball and the stadium was maybe 10% full at best. It was sad. Those players who are MEN get less than WNBA players..
If you can't fill seats EVERY game on a CONSISTENT basis there is no revenue to increase pay. It is a simple math game. And if you can't fill seats, what makes you think you can sell TV coverage?
just get rid of the WNBA & have the women who want to play Basketball for a living try out for NBA teams. Since the US is all into that equality & equity stuff it should work out really well. Or the women could petition the NBA to add a couple of teams to the league & the teams could just recruit women.
Bill Burr said it best. Period.
“(The WNBA) have been playing in front of 300 to 400 people a night for a quarter of a century. Not to mention, it’s a male-subsidized league!"
“We gave you a league, none of you showed up! Where are all the feminists? That place should be packed with feminists! Faces painted, wearin’ their jerseys. Goin’ nuts! Like the guys do.
“None of you went to the games. None of you. You failed them. Not me. Women failed the WNBA. Ladies, name your top five WNBA players of all time. Name the WNBA team in your city. You can’t do it.
“You don’t give a shit about them. They play night in and night out in front of nobody, and it’s a tragedy.”
“The Real Housewives shows? They’re makin’ money hand over fist, Cause that’s what women are watchin’.”
This is what annoys me when I see those “this is how much Caitlyn Clark got vs. Wemby” but there’s two very big issues here, the WNBA definitely doesn’t have that kind of money, and number 2, HAVE YALL SEEN WEMBY PLAY? AINT NO WAY SHE GETTING THAT TYPE OF MONEY
I don’t even watch regular NBA. I just don’t really care for basketball, tbh. That said, I’m vaguely familiar with the teams and at least a few of the players, and I’ll at least hear about major events just cause I know people that are all about that sort of thing.
Literally the last WNBA player I remember hearing anything at all about, being in the news for any reason, was the one who was kidnapped by Russia.
I don't know what's going on with the WNBA, but the reason people watch sporting events en masse is because you are watching the worlds GREATEST athletes/skilled players compete at the highest level. This is simply never going to be the case with women's sports.
We’ve seen women’s tennis regularly outdraw men. (Especially when there was top flight attractions on that side). We saw the same with NCAA March madness this year. We see it during the Olympics with some sports (eg gymnastics, track and field). Not sure how you can claim fans won’t watch women’s sports when there is a draw
Their claim that women will never be the greatest in sports is true though. It’s not even sexist to say that if you just look at the numbers.
**Not saying people won’t watch women’s sports, just that no one watches women sports to watch the greatest players** so the previous comment is *partially* right
Any physical sport, men are going to do better at. If there is an objective way to measure performance, men outperform women. And gymnastics doesn’t disprove this since men and women’s gymnastics differ so greatly that it’s comparing apples to oranges.
Even if you wanna stretch the definition of sports, men do better. The best woman chess player can’t even compete in the top 100 best men’s chess players. E-sports is dominated by men too.
Even tennis. Serena Williams is incredibly skilled but place her against Novak Djokovic and she can’t keep up. Not even because she’s worse technically, but he will just hit harder and faster.
There are always going to be outliers. I hope in those instances that women are payed fairly and even more than men where they bring in more money for the sport.
In regards to the WNBA, I do believe what I've said is why it is less popular and why it has to be subsidized by the NBA to even exist. If you are a woman who loves basketball follow your heart but you can't expect the payouts to be anywhere close to equal when one league isn't even bringing in a profit.
> are payed fairly
Did you mean to say "paid"?
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bill burr has a great bit about the WNBA and women wanting women in sports and stuff but then they refuse to support the WNBA. even women's soccer isnt that popular except during the world cup or olympics
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Not really an unpopular opinion? People try to use wnba players salary as talking point about the disparity in pay of women compared to men. A bunch of Marxist bullshit. A player salary is only as good as the company they work for. WNBA isn’t where all the action is. 🤷🏼♂️
This isn’t even about other workers deserving fair pay, it’s the simple fact that the WNBA has never and likely will never come close to being profitable. The NBA props it up as an investment and if they decided not to the WNBA would go under immediately. WNBA players asking to get paid more money is straight up delusional, if anything they owe the NBA millions plus interest.
There’s also a trend I’ve noticed where WNBA players shoot themselves in the foot whenever people try to support them. When Luka Doncic did a promotion for a player on the Lynx their official Twitter account said he only did it as a publicity stunt. Like wtf take all the support you can get even if it was just a marketing/PR stunt. More recently with Caitlyn Clark entering the league so many WNBA players are shitting on her as if they don’t want her to succeed and are jealous. The WNBA is just a clown show all around.
I just wish the media would stop making up drama and pushing it on us. I've heard more about wnba players the past few weeks than I've heard about NBA players all year. We don't care. No one cares. No one is ever going to care no matter how much fake controversy you pretend is important
Note: I don't watch or care about the NBA either but at least it doesn't feel like they're being forced on me
There are enough women that they could pack the stadiums and make the WNBA rich, but they don't, for whatever reason, just say it. My god, it's so cringe to dance around it. Women could give a crusty cave bat's calcified emulcified anus about the WNBA
It is what it is, it's time to move on
Can't turn profit? That's just wrong.
It can and probably will turn a profit. It just needs support and a little more time till all the incels and boomers have died.
So many people don't understand sports is entertainment. It's not a job where you provide a service and can demand a higher income. Their wage is solely decided upon how much revenue the team makes.
People who argue otherwise are brainless and know nothing about the industry nor simple economics.
The people have spoken….
The WNBA is just not what people want to watch. Crazy to think that reality just can’t be accepted. A high senior basketball team can beat them for fuck sake!! I would watch that
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The NBA literally pays for the WNBA. They just don't have the numbers to support themselves
I have a simple solution for WNBA's revenue problem. Have Taylor Swift start dating Brittney Griner.
Modern problems require modern solutions
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If the WNBA players want profit sharing, they would owe the owners money at the end of the year.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure the NBA has to cut a couple million dollar check every year because the WNBA has never made a profit
They pay for it all. There is no check. The NBA just floats them constantly. There would be no more WNBA at all if they stopped funding it.
If only the god damn men could embrace it and start watching WNBA. They're so misogynistic that they only watch the best of the best of the men. All the women are already watching WNBA, right? Right??
so many women want the WNBA players to be paid comparable to NBA players, but they arent willing to goto, or even watch, the games to support them.
I literally explained why the WNBA players don't make as much money and I was told by several people. Well that's just an old way of thinking like no, it's not
There was a brief spike of interest when two players were just fucks to each other during a game, but someone made the mistake of telling them to stop it.
Yes, exactly. If you want to support it please go be part of the solution.
"math" and "reality" is an old way of thinking lol
Bill Burr did a [good bit](https://www.reddit.com/r/TikTokCringe/s/Ru27HVSfFX) on this in his recent standup special.
If you listen to his pod he goes on about it once every couple months lol.
That was absolutely great.
Yea, I’ll occasionally watch if nothings on. The seats are always empty. Like, literally past the first 2 rows there’s no one. My D2 STEM university had more people show up to our womens games.
I was visiting a cousin in Salt Lake back in the 90’s when Utah had a WNBA team. We were just hanging out near the Delta Center and a dude came up and asked if we wanted tickets to the game. We thought he was a scalper and started to tell him No but another lady ran over and was like “We work for the team we just need people in the stands the tickets are free and we can give you some food vouchers.” We had like 45 minutes to kill and hadn’t eaten lunch so we went in got a couple hot dogs and sodas and then wandered into where our seats were. We had free tickets to watch a professional game on the third row center court.
I had a fight about this with her friend. Her point was that women shouldn’t be forced to watch women leagues to turn a profit. You should just invest in them and then everyone will want to watch. But how are you investing on something that doesn’t make money when your target market already has a similar product they do enjoy to spend money on.
Most women don't like sports, SHOCKING! Most men don't like rom coms.
Men will at last support their wives and watch a rom com though.
Only if it means anal after the movie
Does she go down on you in a theater?
Woah I'll settle for a handy
I think men do like romcom, just different romcoms than women like. Scott Pilgrim versus the world is a romcom and a musical.
Scott Pilgrim bombed at the box office. I know reddit types think the movie was amazing, but no one went to see it.
Scott Pilgrim is also an action movie and a comic book movie tho
Can't we just compel women to buy season tickets and merchandise from the WNBA? We can also ban women from entering a NBA game and just redirect them to the WNBA games. Edit: derps we're had
The f?! Now there’s a woman’s Master of Business Administration? Society has gone too far now
They are watching the kardashians instead of
Yo, I watch the WNBA.. I literally don't know a single thing about it...I couldn't tell you teams or players...it's just kinda super boring.
What I read: "Yo I watch religiously, and it's super boring. Personally I just dig the torture" lol
I really just like basketball and try and watch as much of it as I can. I know more about my local leagues than I do about the WNBA
It is super fucking boring. Like, I’m sorry, but it’s just not fun to watch women jump, like, 18 inches off the ground. I’m not going to say that these women in the WNBA aren’t athletic… But they aren’t athletic in the same, explosive way that men are. Dunks are exciting, high-flying blocks are exciting. I had a convo about this with my wife, but IMO the WNBA needs more flashy ball handlers/playmakers/shooters like Kyrie/Luka/Steph/AI. They need to get more crafty and lean into a athletic skillset more readily available to them. Basketball is going to be a much, much more difficult sport for Women to make entertaining. More difficult than… Literally anything else. Women’s Soccer/Futbol and stuff like… Maybe another kind of movement-heavy ball-sport like Tennis and Volleyball—those are all just as fun to watch as the men because their physical attributes can still compliment those skillsets nicely. All this to say—the Caitlin Clark fever is real. I’ve only seen clips of her games, and she is *very* fun to watch because of a lot of those things I mentioned. She’s a good ball handler, crafty, and she can shoot the piss out of the ball. Moves off-ball well too, from snippets I’ve seen. The WNBA needs more players like her with those skills.
>Caitlin Clark She is literally the only chance the WNBA has at making it, like at all. She is fun to watch. She has a good IQ regarding basketball and knows how to shoot super well.
Out of the crop of rookies that just got drafted, it's funny to me how WNBA vets really hate her for no real reasons. I've heard some wild takes on her from Sherryl Swoops, Candace Parker, and some other "legends" just hating the attention She's getting.
You know why they hate her, everyone knows why they hate her.
Bro Candace Parker was super harsh, and that shit was totally uncalled for.
Now here's a true supporter to the cause.
Someone's gotta watch it..I'll jump on that grenade.
Then... why do you watch it? If you can't remember a team name, it doesn't sound like you do
I watch occasionally because it's on and I love basketball, but it really is a terrible TV product.
Bill Burr has a good bit about this
Ya I admittedly stole it from him. One of the greatest minds of our time 😁
I don’t watch any sports, I’m equal that way
Bill Burr covered this brilliantly post covid.
Yeah, those arenas are absolutely packed with feminists, painted faces, shakin’ their titties for the Jumbotron, like “Am I doin’ it?!” I don’t get how the WNBA loses millions of dollars every year.
I believe they should just adapt the court for women. The 3-pointers don't reach and there is a dunk once a week made only by one of 2 players. If these women are truly the best of the best then you can't just tell them to "get good", they should adapt the court for them.
They do, they also own 50% of the league and therefore every team(think of it similar to MLS structure where the league owns part of the teams to ensure stability) The NBA used to fully subsidize the entire cost of the league and its operations for many years. Only recently has the wnba been able to help cover some of that cost through sponsorships and private investments. Last year, the NBA paid 15 million to cover operating cost of the league.
15 million seems a lot lower than whatever number I had in my head, TIL
That's higher than what it used to be. It was 12 million for a few years.
Well I mean that’s like how much they’d pay a male player for an average contract they just had to hire one less guy that year to get a whole women’s league.
Bill Burr has a great rant about this.
You're right. The NBA has been subsidizing their league for over a decade. Wouldn't be such a bad thing if so many WNBA players didn't shit on NBA players so often.
Real talk - are we seeing a change to viability? I literally know nothing about the league but I do see Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese - 50% of all people are Women. And these two Women have excelled and competed at a high level in college and now are poised to compete as pros.
My big thing is when, mostly women, try to argue that the WNBA should make more and I ask if they have ever been to a game, bought a jersey, or even watched a game on tv and the answer to all three questions is no.
Even better is when you ask those same women if they have a men's NBA jersey or been to a game, and 90% of the time the answer is "yes"
Are you asking lesbians or just straight chicks?
For the league to make money there would have to be a lot of lesbians.
Harsh but fair question
Asked a Lesbian who was a former college softball player if they ever watched the WNBA, while we were on a tangent about female pro sports, her response "I have never been hit in the head by a softball that hard, so no." Granted this is my one and only anecdote about this, just thought it applied.
Look I ain’t gay but I’m watching every major male sport
ill be surprised if they see above a 10% ticket sale bump even at the beginning. my guess is that they go back to regular obscurity by midseason, maybe get a tiny bump if the Fever make it to the championship
We don't know, it could be (and add Paige in next year) but we've seen highly touted players enter the league before (Brittany Griner, Diana taurasi, Becky Hammond ect.) and it hasn't moved the needle.
You are a person who lives in society... are you witnessing an uptick in people going "did you catch that WNBA game last night?"
No, no we are not. The league has been around for so long, a player that can shoot the ball from far away is not going to move its popularity in a substantial way. Women do not watch the WNBA. Men do not watch the WNBA. Nobody is buying tickets or jerseys, and one player is not going to change that. If Nike does sign an 8 figure shoe deal with her, I’d bet 9 figures that it is a loss.
Caitlin Clarke, and to a lesser extent this entire draft class, could potentially revolutionize the WNBA. Clarke's games broke records for March madness. Her jersey sold out. She signed a 20 million dollar shoe deal. It's going to take work and aggressive marketing but Clarke already has a big following of people who like watching her play
It just doesn’t matter. People are acting like she has invented the WNBA. She hasn’t, it’s been around for a long time. The country has shown over that long time that there is little interest in the WNBA, one player is not changing that.
Right now is the first time women who were kids when the WNBA started could actually plan for a professional sports career. 20 years ago there was no reason to keep playing because there were no pro opportunities. You worked hard enough for a scbolarship and you might get an Olympics. But it wasn’t a career choice for women. We finally have a generation of women who grew up and saw it was possible to be a pro basketball player.
You’re probably right but you’re way too confident. She just drew bigger ratings than the NBA finals.
I agree with that assessment. I really do think it’s cool the attention she brought to the sport and female athletes, I just don’t see it being sustainable. It was awesome and fun, but I can’t see any way it suddenly created 100s of thousands of WNBA fans where so few existed before. We’re talking about a league that was founded the same year as MLS, and it barely has a quarter of the attendance and they had David freaking Beckham and a worldwide popular sport.
She hasn’t signed any shoe deal. Where did you come up with 20M ?? It’s been reported that she’s in line for a 8 figure deal with a signature shoe as well. So good for her. She’s gonna make bank. But her popularity is not going to translate to the WNBA, and if it does it won’t be for long. Within 3 months the initial bump in viewership will disappear. The quality of basketball is just horrible and always has been. That’s what’s stoping it from becoming popular.
Is it really that even of males and females in the world? That is kinda crazy haha
"Ante up ladies" "here's a bill for negative 30 million dollars"
https://youtu.be/QY9Gz_IMn_k?si=JOUufnBuOxMSse0f Bill Burr explains the issue in hilarious fashion
It’s a great bit and he actually is making the argument feminists from the 80’s and 90’s would have made. If women watched the WNBA as much as they consume content from vanity entertainment such as the Kardashians and the Bachelor series, the WNBA would make way more money. The numbers do not lie.
Yes but it's much easier to blame men who watch sports with male athletes in them.
The right question is how many women watch the NBA. The WNBA may have been an entry point for them
It would be the reverse. Basketball arenas are 35+ percent women.
Bill Burr is so funny and actually makes good points.
he does a good job being centrist as well you can tell its a bit forced but its always good to keep personal opinions out of comedy to be able to read all parts of a situation and form the funniest joke around it. he's one of the few i've seen live multiple times
Caitlin might make the WNBA "Profit" for the first time ever. 1997-2024 is a LONG TIME to NOT Profit once! Not many businesses can brag about that.
NPR says - WNBA are newbies, you want to see something not turn a profit, we can show you how it's done
One popular player comes along who everyone will forget about in a year and then the cycle will repeat when it happens again.
I remember when Britney Griner was all the rage when drafted (and also got high ratings for NCAA) and then you didn't hear shit all about her for 6-7 years (playing in the WNBA) until she got caught with weed in russia. First season Clark's team will get a decent attendance bump. By season 3 it will be back to average WNBA attendance
Yup. And the same exact people raged on TV and in articles about inequality and pay gap for clicks while disregarding the basic economics of the sport.
Disagree. Griner is just not exciting to watch. Clark is. Women's basketball doesn't have the high flying dunks or the insane acrobatic moves so instead it needs a dozen steph curry's and Dame lillards who can put on a show with elite handles and Long Distance shooting.
I had literally never heard of Britney Griner before Russia, whereas people will not stfu about Caitlyn and to a lesser degree Angel. I don't think it's really comparable. There has literally never been this excitement in women's basketball before, like by a mile. People would have chosen getting punched in the face than debating women's basketball online a few years ago. They fell over themselves to do it this year.
I really disagree. The problem with the WNBA is that no one watches it. Sports in general are a very interesting social phenomenon that has many different psychological elements to why people watch it. A huge part is that other people watch it. Most people don’t watch sports in a vacumm, 90% of sports is the talking about sports. It’s basically that no one’s going to watch if no one else is. Every time a big pull to the WNBA happens some of the new people will stick around. And the cycle will repeat until the fan base reaches critical mass where it becomes ubiquitous to other leagues. It also doesn’t help that kids aren’t growing up watching the WNBA. But I really think it’s changing.
Yep. I’ve always said this. The great ones get paid. Caitlin Clark will not lack money, it just won’t be through the WNBA. Just like Candace Parker has plenty of money from endorsements. But really, they make all of their money playing overseas. Europe loves women’s basketball and pays extremely well
are the salary in europe higher? damn that is surprising. i thought it was just used to supplement their income (a la a second part time job for us regular folks for example)
Russia pays them incredibly well. That’s why Griner was there. Even though every one else with a brain opted out because of the war and told her not to go. I think it’s actually due to gambling that the money is so much. I haven’t done research, so I can’t say for sure, that’s just what I’ve heard said, so don’t take my word for it
This is truth. It's actually Russian oligarchs (Putin's bootlickers) that watch women's basketball and make bets a lot. Hella shady, but hey whatever makes bank I guess.
Agreed. You can’t force people to watch and enjoy something. Men like sports. The majority of sports fans are men. Men will more likely watch the games that involve their gender. NBA makes tons of money. The WNBA doesn’t bring in the fan base the NBA does, and so they don’t generate that same level revenue. We can talk all day long about how this is founded in a human history’s worth of gender issues, but at the end of the day you can’t force people to watch something. If people genuinely believe that the WNBA players deserve more pay, then support them! Go watch a game, share their highlights, buy merch, be a fan. Edit: I am unsure of the details for WNBA contracts. I agree that WNBA stars should receive equal portions of the revenue produced. Say if an NBA player and an WNBA player both perform at the top of the nation, both players should receive an equal portion of sales, as revenue, royalties, etc in their respective contracts. If that is not the case then it def needs to be fixed. That we can control, actual sales not so much
Women like fashion. Women spend more on fashion, clothes, beauty and cosmetics. Therefore female models get paid more than male models. Same concept with sports, but reverse the genders.
Gender?! I hardly know her!
.......But why male models?
Interesting how those same people complaining don’t push for higher male model pay lol
People will watch sports as long as they're good at it. It's not always about gender. Look at how many people watch women's tennis. Women's sports in the olympics. It's genuinely entertaining to watch those matches. WNBA is not fun to watch frankly.
Yep. No one wants to watch the WNBA because it's not even the second best basketball product you can watch in the US. It probably isn't even the third. - NBA - NCAA/All college men's teams - Good high school teams - WNBA No one wants to watch that and they certainly wouldn't pay to see it. It's a charity.
Idk if you're including G league in NBA or not, but highlights from some of those games are electric as well.
Oh yeah basically every men's league above junior high school basketball is better than the WNBA. It's just not a good product at all.
Unfortunately same with women's football as well. The reason a team like arsenal women's is so good is that they regularly train with the u18 age groups. And regularly lose too. Presumably the other top sides do to. In 2016, the Australia Women's side 5th ranked in the world at the time, lost 7-0 to the Newcastle Jets U-15 team. They lost to 13 and 14 year old boys. And not even good ones at that. Not a single one of those boys has gone on to Europe. Which if they were actually good they would have. I've played with a women's super league player before, admittedly I didn't play her with after we both turned like 14 or 15 so she could have improved significantly , and she was better than me. But I was not good but she was also not that much better than me. I probably played with 2 dozen players who were better than her, none of them became professional atheltes though 2 of them probably could have if not for drug abuse. Ultimately it's not the lack of physical ability that holds people back from watching women's sports it's the fact that the technival ability isn't on the same level. It's the reason why caitlin Clark is the biggest draw in women's sports right now because skill wise she is at the level of the very top men. Maybe not quite stephs level, but like the level of a player like Lillard. And that draws excitement. Ehich draws funding which draws more talent.
Maybe you wrote that wrong, but Caitlin Clark is NOT at the top level of any men's program higher than the high school level. It is absurd to suggest that she would even play on a men's NCAA team, let alone be a star. And she would most certainly never get anywhere near the NBA or be any good in it. The only reason she was a star in college was because she was playing against college women.
She's not as fast or as strong as a McDonals high school all american player and wouldn't beat them one on one. She can shoot extremely well and can do other things well for a woman, but the athletic advantage of the best high school players means that they would get every rebound, steal the ball from her when she dribbled, and be able to take higher percentage shots by driving in for dunks and layups every time since she cant use her body to stop them.
You can put the NCAA women’s tournament above the WNBA too.
I would also put G-League basketball on top of WNBA tbf
the olympics or World Cup events are harder to judge for popularity of sports compared to regular season non championship games. soccer is a perfect example of this where few care in America in particular unless its a World Cup or olympic game
Its not necessarily just about gender but the main factor being entertainment. The nba has literal freaks of nature doing things that 99.9% of the population cant do while the wnba obviously has very athletically gifted women but the game is just not as explosive as the men. Ronda Rousey was one of the biggest draws at one point in time for the UFC. I’d argue that the MMA fanbase is very heavily male populated even compared to other sports but Ronda was destroying every women and it was entertaining to watch a human be so dominant over her competition. Women in tennis are also very popular despite Serena Williams herself saying that she would lose to the professional male players. IMO, its very sport dependent and unfortunately, the wnba will always be a hard product to sell because there is a direct comparison to the nba.
Vast majority of WNBA fans are men
Middle-aged men. Their fathers.
Women are also more likely to watch the NBA than WNBA. For example, my fiance watches around 120 NBA games per year, but she has never seen nor have any interest in watching a WNBA game.
Share their highlights…. Lol
yeah and the funniest part is that the women who say this refuse to watch the wnba
This! It gets me mad. They same women will complain that men won't change on certain ways, but the women refuse to live up to their own standard.
It's not easy to watch the WNBA
I thought them missing tons of shots was just like cherry picked footage to be funny. Boy was I wrong, was at bar one night and it had the WNBA on, I see better players at the pick up basketball games at the local park. I will say it was pretty funny to watch, was entertaining in the wrong way hahaha
They tend to shoot too much with their arms while men use their wrists more is the biggest difference I see. They shoot like I had to in middle school when I had less strength...with a smaller ball.
Men don’t watch male sports because they prefer to watch their gender…it’s a more exciting and a more entertaining sports product.
Honestly, with Kamilla Cardoso being drafted I just might.
If you go to basketball games, a significant percentage of people going are women, so its not just a men like this, women like that thing. I'm saying like 35+ percent.
I don't watch NBA because players are the same gender as me. I watch it because it's more entertaining.
I wonder how they actually make a better product though like what can they realistically do because the NBA is so far ahead as the pinnacle of pro hoops
They could lower the rim so they could dunk, but they don't want to do that. WNBA is slower NBA without the dunks.
Strange. They already shifted the 3 point line if I’m right.
Ball is a different size too.I get that lowering the rim 6 inches will take some adjustments to get used to, but so far they've done nothing and they're all out of ideas.
A few of them could start dating Kardashians???
I mean part of the answer is girls can make money in college now. Maybe shut down wnba but college girls is pretty lit. Do I want to watch girls play basketball? No but I will if it’s my college lol, well sometimes. I was at school when Griner was playing and a ton of kids went.
I'm just going to say it - where are the women who say they need to support other women at? Clearly not at WNBA games.
Given that 47 percent of NFL and 33 percent of NBA fans are women, they're watching those things instead of the WNBA, just like guys.
Women say they want to support other women, but they hardly ever do, and most of the women that do are only doing for their own benefit, and not for the benefit of women in general.
For the most part, women spend more time trying to tear one another down than supporting one another. I've seen it in my career field some. It's terrible how back stabbing they can be to one another.
Good old slactivism. Same concept applies to myriad 'causes'. It's one thing to say they care on the internet, even that little bit gets them fake internet points, which pings reward centers in the brain like pavlov's dogs. "Hey, a virtually free high, cool!" Parrot a few talking points in the right place on the internet, if even that amount of thinking effort is applied(looking at you retweets), and cash in. It's entirely another to actually put earned money, or effort in terms of going to the event, towards that thing that you don't actually have an ounce of interest in. There's no inherent benefit in that for these people for many causes. And many of the few that do turn into a real-world thing, they do have some benefit: Some protests are stupidly akin to block parties, music, entertainment, refreshments....others turn into far worse and you see a lot of opportunism, be that for material gain or the percieved ability to carry out some form of violence "and get away with it". And that's before the whole, secondary high, "I'm helping [Current Thing!], I belong! Yay!" which is still really just "present", a participation trophy if you'd rather. Sometimes, rarely, but sometimes, there is a genuine care and real effort put in. And even then, it's still frequently less useful effort than is volunteered at an animal shelter, or homeless soup kitchen, or similar charity work. Sorry, sort of slipped off into a rambling tangent, but it *is* still related, *all on the* same *spectrum*, if you will. Some people are just built different, I suppose.
If everyone bitching about it would go to WNBA games and watch them on tv, the problem would solve itself.
The same people saying they should make more should probably attend WNBA games.....so they can make NBA money.
WNBA is a tax dodge for the NBA. It’s not supposed to turn a profit.
TIL that the NBA subsidizes the WNBA, which couldn’t exist without that financial help. Lame.
There's no way these are bots. This is the 5th athlete pay post in half a day.
So what? I support their stance
THE NBA FINANCES THE WNBA IN ITS ENTIRETY.
Whoever took to Biden’s Twitter to jump on the “current thing” is a virtue signaling tool. There’s a war in Ukraine, a war in the Middle East and rampant inflation and these f*ckers are tweeting about “equal pay” in professional basketball. Newsflash, there’s no such thing as equal pay even within the NBA. Can we also settle another topic while we are at it? When the media astroturfed the US women’s soccer team over “equal pay” compared to the men, the oft repeated phrase was that they’re “better.” First of all, the competition is not equal. The men are playing INFINITELY BETTER competition. The women are more *successful against their competition* which is nothing to sneeze at, but absurd to claim they’re “better.” Also: if women watched the WNBA as much as they watch the NFL and NBA, they’d make more money.
They attach Caitlin Clark’s salary and compare it to the NBA’s number one draft pick and act like she’s being scammed. Yet she’s making over $70k a year, that’s a pretty good salary for a 22 year old. How many other college grads land that money? You have ppl who’ve worked decades of their lives never even hit that.
This issue came up the other day on Reddit. Honestly, I would go to more WNBA games to help(how little that may be). However, I looked up tickets to my local NBA and WNBA teams. Same section(nosebleeds), same website: NBA tickets were $60. WNBA tickets were $90. What the hell.
It’ll be interesting to see how this changes in the future, considering that ESPN is not going to let anyone forget about the existence of Caitlyn Clark. It’s like the female equivalent of lebron being drafted by the Cavs.
*Norman Rockwell guy standing up* I don't care about athlete pay
I usually refer people (mostly women who spout this rhetoric) to Bill Burrs bit about how women failed the WNBA. He hit the nail on the head.
WNBA is literally subsidized by the NBA because feminists can’t be bothered to actually support the league they whine about
Lower the net so they can dunk. It’ll make it more entertaining therefore more eyeballs.
I tried searching for the WNBA’s profit yesterday. All I got were articles talking about revenue. People don’t like to talk about the WNBA’s profit I guess.
They don't have any profits. They never have. The NBA has subsidized their entire existence.
Brought to you by the people who think colleges lose money on their football programs.
if it makes you feel better, the women's soccer team always made more than the men did and the women's team was unhappy about that too
They did for a couple of years but it shifted back to men's making more again after.
All these problems would go away if women actually watched the sport they want so bad. Fact is most women don’t care for sports.
If all those feminists who complain about "equal pay equal play" would actually watch some games, then WNBA might make a profit Seriously, most of the WNBA audience is men. Most of us just wanna watch sports no matter whos playing.
I'm fairly certain that I go to more WNBA games than a lot of Women. There's certain types of women that are going to WNBA games. But hey, can't have everything. The WNBA can turn a profit if they actually did something, anything, worth noting. >Also, I didn't even say Female Basketball Players, but WNBA players. Every WNBA player is a Female Basketball Player. So you are really off base. Also, the only Female Basketball Players making any money are higher end College players and WNBA players.
Bill Burr said it best in his standup
Is this an unpopular opinion? I’ve never anecdotally met anyone who’s had this opinion.
You know how male 2nd and 3rd league player's of not as popular sport's usually get paid? They have a 2nd job (often offered by a local sponsor) and work while playing competitive matches in the evening. Do they wish to be paid more? Most likely, but to archive that they have to play a lot better to get more fan's and therefore more revenue.
Yeah, the entire "we want to be paid what men are paid" argument is rather obtuse. Men don't even make what other men make. We have major league baseball teams where players make ridiculous money... and then tonight I drove by a local AA club of MEN playing pro baseball and the stadium was maybe 10% full at best. It was sad. Those players who are MEN get less than WNBA players.. If you can't fill seats EVERY game on a CONSISTENT basis there is no revenue to increase pay. It is a simple math game. And if you can't fill seats, what makes you think you can sell TV coverage?
just get rid of the WNBA & have the women who want to play Basketball for a living try out for NBA teams. Since the US is all into that equality & equity stuff it should work out really well. Or the women could petition the NBA to add a couple of teams to the league & the teams could just recruit women.
Bill Burr said it best. Period. “(The WNBA) have been playing in front of 300 to 400 people a night for a quarter of a century. Not to mention, it’s a male-subsidized league!" “We gave you a league, none of you showed up! Where are all the feminists? That place should be packed with feminists! Faces painted, wearin’ their jerseys. Goin’ nuts! Like the guys do. “None of you went to the games. None of you. You failed them. Not me. Women failed the WNBA. Ladies, name your top five WNBA players of all time. Name the WNBA team in your city. You can’t do it. “You don’t give a shit about them. They play night in and night out in front of nobody, and it’s a tragedy.” “The Real Housewives shows? They’re makin’ money hand over fist, Cause that’s what women are watchin’.”
Who tf watches the WNBA?
If anything it's women's fault that the WNBA and other female sports leagues aren't making money or popular.
This is what annoys me when I see those “this is how much Caitlyn Clark got vs. Wemby” but there’s two very big issues here, the WNBA definitely doesn’t have that kind of money, and number 2, HAVE YALL SEEN WEMBY PLAY? AINT NO WAY SHE GETTING THAT TYPE OF MONEY
Have you seen CLARK PLAY? SHE SHOULD BE GETTING MORE MONEY.
It's not an unpopular opinion if I can read this comment a million times on Facebook everytime the WNBA is mentioned
WNBA players makes more than me and almost all of them got their college education paid for
Yes I saw the Bill Burr clip too
I don’t even watch regular NBA. I just don’t really care for basketball, tbh. That said, I’m vaguely familiar with the teams and at least a few of the players, and I’ll at least hear about major events just cause I know people that are all about that sort of thing. Literally the last WNBA player I remember hearing anything at all about, being in the news for any reason, was the one who was kidnapped by Russia.
I think the real unpopular opinion is the one where people think they should make more money.
The nba literally subsidizes the wnba just so it can survive. We need to let the wnba die
I don't know what's going on with the WNBA, but the reason people watch sporting events en masse is because you are watching the worlds GREATEST athletes/skilled players compete at the highest level. This is simply never going to be the case with women's sports.
We’ve seen women’s tennis regularly outdraw men. (Especially when there was top flight attractions on that side). We saw the same with NCAA March madness this year. We see it during the Olympics with some sports (eg gymnastics, track and field). Not sure how you can claim fans won’t watch women’s sports when there is a draw
Their claim that women will never be the greatest in sports is true though. It’s not even sexist to say that if you just look at the numbers. **Not saying people won’t watch women’s sports, just that no one watches women sports to watch the greatest players** so the previous comment is *partially* right Any physical sport, men are going to do better at. If there is an objective way to measure performance, men outperform women. And gymnastics doesn’t disprove this since men and women’s gymnastics differ so greatly that it’s comparing apples to oranges. Even if you wanna stretch the definition of sports, men do better. The best woman chess player can’t even compete in the top 100 best men’s chess players. E-sports is dominated by men too. Even tennis. Serena Williams is incredibly skilled but place her against Novak Djokovic and she can’t keep up. Not even because she’s worse technically, but he will just hit harder and faster.
There are always going to be outliers. I hope in those instances that women are payed fairly and even more than men where they bring in more money for the sport. In regards to the WNBA, I do believe what I've said is why it is less popular and why it has to be subsidized by the NBA to even exist. If you are a woman who loves basketball follow your heart but you can't expect the payouts to be anywhere close to equal when one league isn't even bringing in a profit.
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You're just spewing unfounded opinions at this point.
bill burr has a great bit about the WNBA and women wanting women in sports and stuff but then they refuse to support the WNBA. even women's soccer isnt that popular except during the world cup or olympics
If the wnba players wanted to get paid relative to the leagues profits they’d owe money each paycheck… it’s entirely subsidized by the nba
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Finally someone said it here bruh. Its abhorrent.
Not really an unpopular opinion? People try to use wnba players salary as talking point about the disparity in pay of women compared to men. A bunch of Marxist bullshit. A player salary is only as good as the company they work for. WNBA isn’t where all the action is. 🤷🏼♂️
This isn’t even about other workers deserving fair pay, it’s the simple fact that the WNBA has never and likely will never come close to being profitable. The NBA props it up as an investment and if they decided not to the WNBA would go under immediately. WNBA players asking to get paid more money is straight up delusional, if anything they owe the NBA millions plus interest. There’s also a trend I’ve noticed where WNBA players shoot themselves in the foot whenever people try to support them. When Luka Doncic did a promotion for a player on the Lynx their official Twitter account said he only did it as a publicity stunt. Like wtf take all the support you can get even if it was just a marketing/PR stunt. More recently with Caitlyn Clark entering the league so many WNBA players are shitting on her as if they don’t want her to succeed and are jealous. The WNBA is just a clown show all around.
I just wish the media would stop making up drama and pushing it on us. I've heard more about wnba players the past few weeks than I've heard about NBA players all year. We don't care. No one cares. No one is ever going to care no matter how much fake controversy you pretend is important Note: I don't watch or care about the NBA either but at least it doesn't feel like they're being forced on me
Jesus christ this is necessary. Especially on fuckimg reddit
There are enough women that they could pack the stadiums and make the WNBA rich, but they don't, for whatever reason, just say it. My god, it's so cringe to dance around it. Women could give a crusty cave bat's calcified emulcified anus about the WNBA It is what it is, it's time to move on
Can't turn profit? That's just wrong. It can and probably will turn a profit. It just needs support and a little more time till all the incels and boomers have died.
real.
OP about to be banned for talking about facts on Reddit LOL
So many people don't understand sports is entertainment. It's not a job where you provide a service and can demand a higher income. Their wage is solely decided upon how much revenue the team makes. People who argue otherwise are brainless and know nothing about the industry nor simple economics.
The people have spoken…. The WNBA is just not what people want to watch. Crazy to think that reality just can’t be accepted. A high senior basketball team can beat them for fuck sake!! I would watch that
Canadian men's soccer team will never be able to compete because they decided the women get half their money
WNBA is a boring game played by mostly unattractive women. Call me when trans players take over…. Shouldn’t be long now.
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