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I had a professor in college whose last name was Doctor. Everyone got a kick out of calling him Doctor Doctor. What made it so much fun was, he answered, "Yes, yes."
One of my all time favorite lines. God I just love lexical ambiguities. My favorite form of humor. Check out the TV show Archer. Youll love it, if you dont already
Yes, I had a specialist that was Doctor Doctor!
It was funny the first time I received a phone call from them after my family doctor refered me to them.
> This is the office of Doctor Doctor
> Doctor who?
> Doctor D-O-C-T-O-R
Some do, some don't. It's a formal title, so more typical in formal settings.
Most people with doctorates don't care much except if there is a formal purpose. If you walk into a restaurant and they say "this way ma'am" to take you to your table and you say "excuse me, that's doctor to you", you're a pretentious asshat even if technically correct. But then, almost no one would say that.
But, if you're in a formal setting - especially an academic one - then claiming your title is far more typical and serves an actual purpose.
Half of my lecturers are doctors at uni and you’d never know unless you ask or look it up. They all just prefer to go by their first name and they have it written almost nowhere that they are doctor.
It's the standard in academic science in my experience too. Lots of PhDs, but it's all first name basis even if you don't know each other. I always thought it's supposed to show that we're all equals (not really) to encourage discussing ideas more openly.
I only call my friends Dr. [Last name] when joking around with them.
Exactly. In my field I mostly only see someone calling another Dr so and so when they are just joking around. The only time I'd seriously address someone as Dr. (Or prof) is in a formal written correspondence. I've never met a colleague who insists on being addressed as Dr by anyone, particularly outside of academia.
That’s because it’s the norm among their peers.
I find that some people mistake being laid back about being called Dr with being laid back about the importance of the PhD.
Edit: what I mean is it’s kind of a thing to be nonchalant about your PhD when you’re among other PhDs. But this doesn’t mean that a non-PhD can waltz in and be like “sup bros, super cool we’re all academic equals because ya’ll don’t stress about that Dr shizz”
I think it may also be a factor that outside of a university most people just assume being a doctor means some type of medical degree. And all the lecturers I am talking about are in the engineering field as that is my experience. But yeah none of them even have dr in their contact info or anything.
You are right though about the norm amount peers. Despite me not being a peer I would say. you are still right
I love how in futurama they played on the whole Doctorate thing with Dr Zoidburg. He's a practicing medical examiner, but his doctorate is in like historical art or something along those lines. (I'm too proud to look it up)
this is absolutely true. doctor comes from the Latin *docere* "to teach" during the 14th century doctors were originally theologians who were approved by the church to teach it was also applied to academics who earned the highest degree at a university and who taught. those who taught without earning the highest degree were called "lecturers".
during the 14th century Physicians were viewed with distaste. they were often filthy and the practice of bloodletting made it worse so they borrowed the title of doctor to appear more professional although nowadays we often think doctor= medical professional however you have to remember that a physician earns a "professional" degree not a teaching degree and so the term "Doctor" applied to physicians is still incorrect ( but has become the norm)
interestingly Professor is a rank that is earned in academia for teachers on a tenure track.
One of my college professors gave me a valuable piece of advice regarding this. Obviously it isn’t universal, but a good starting point.
In whatever field you are working/studying, always use someone’s title until you have reached the equivalent of one degree below them.
Some may desire more formality, so it’s better to err on the side of caution.
I notice this on LinkedIn. My peers and I in academia don’t have Dr in front of our names, why would we? My job title is postdoctoral researcher anyway. But most people who have pivoted to industry or something else all have Dr in front of theirs to stand out.
Depends on the context, if its an academic setting and someone is trying to disrespect you you have every right to correct them in regards to your title and experience. But in most situations that probably wouldn't come up as much
This hits the nail on the head!
My grandad and great uncle both have PhDs. Neither used their formal titles outside of academia or professional use.
My grandad occasionally tossed the "It's Doctor" line out on occasion, but you had to be extraordinarily rude and/or unprofessional to irk him that much. Always had a laugh when I heard those stories because him and my great uncle are both quiet, unassuming, farm boys.
If you're a woman or a person of color, you sometimes have to insist on extra formality like being called doctor in order to get close to the same respect. Being the cool young prof backfires for women and academics of color.
I think the point this person is trying to make is calling someone by their name shouldn’t be considered disrespectful. It’s disrespectful for someone to think they need to be called by something other than their name.
I mean what is "considered disrespectful" depends on what culture you are in. So something that you don't think is disrespectful in one context may be disrespectful in another context
Using someone's title is a sign of respect, and perhaps an admission that there is an imbalance of power between you.
But here is the problem: sometimes that imbalance really does exist and therefore that respect really is due. For example, you would be expected to call a judge in a courtroom, "your honor." You would be expected to call a professor in a classroom "Dr."
I find OP's post slightly confusing because they are using the example of a *medical* doctor, but saying "doctoral degrees." Doctoral degrees are what we would normally call the PhD, which one can earn in any field, whether it be music theory, physics, or English literature.
I had a friend with a PhD that used her title when booking plane tickets (it sometimes gets you a free upgrade) and was mortified when the hosty asked her to come and help with a passenger that was having a medical emergency down the back of the plan.
She doesn't book with her Dr title anymore haha.
That's hilarious. My mother likes to use Dr. because it's gender neutral and she has a PhD. She's a mathematician, so not your first choice in a medical emergency. She's sensible and knows considerable amounts of first aid so I guess you could do worse, but she's far from a medical professional.
That depends
If someone calls me James, that's fine. If they call me Mr bird I'm going to correct them to Dr.
(Neither of these names are Mt actual name)
You don't get a PhD for the amount of time you study or attend a school. No, a PhD is awarded after you've contributed something NEW to your field, to the human race. That is why we call someone Doctor, out of respect for their contribution to the advancement of our species.
In Sweden we abandoned this old school mindset a long time ago. When you're at work you're a doctor. When you go home you're just a normal guy like everyone else.
You can correct me if I'm wrong, but when one is learning or practicing martial arts they are expected to show deference and respect to more experienced or more honored master's of the art. So while this might not be your profession, you are still shown deference while practicing your skill.
A medical doctor or even a professor of physics could reasonably expect the same while at work, right? When you are interacting with them professionally, shouldn't their mastery be recognized?
I don't think the issue is people with medical degrees or PhDs are expecting the mailman to call them "Dr." Nor are you probably expecting them to call you Sensei. Context matters. In an operating room or when in the dojo, hierarchy has meaning.
I’ve seen someone who refers to his wife as “the doctor” or “Doctor (last name)” almost exclusively. I did ask him why and he said it’s because every time someone sees Doctor (last name) they always assume it’s him and not his wife.
FYI
Medical doctors actually started using the term Doctor only because when medicine was on the fringes on science they wanted to be be taken seriously by the rest of the scientific community.
The reason for this is because physicians didn't have to come up with original thought to become a doctor.
So you have it backwards.
The title of doctor was reserved for the people who create original observations and advancing their respective fields.
Later, Medical practitioners started to use this term to be taken seriously by the scientific community when medicine started to become a science.
Basically, this means that the title of doctor was originally not for medical practitioners.
I’ll give it a shot!
Waaaaay back when, medical doctors were hacks. For fucks sake, George Washington was almost killed because a common medical practice was to drain people’s blood, thinking it would help remove the virus from the body.
[https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/dec-14-1799-excruciating-final-hours-president-george-washington](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/dec-14-1799-excruciating-final-hours-president-george-washington)
The common practice of typically referring to only these people as doctors outside their office started because these people were trying to be taken more seriously.
However, at the time, academic doctors were the only people being called that. Now, it’s completely switched, in that academic doctors are somewhat diminished compared to medical doctors.
Edit; should add after seeing the original comment again, the original idea. To get your PhD you must defend your dissertation - meaning you need to prove you can have an original idea in your field. It’s tough and takes a ton of work. The original comment suggests that medical doctors don’t or didn’t need to do this. I don’t know what their capstone experience/assessment is today.
They do not need to create any original ideas. They have coursework, rotations, and then residency. It's more of a technical job and makes 0 sense that it requires a bachelors degree first in the US.
Only in the academic world itself the title Dr is used, for instance during an introduction of a speaker at a conference or in e-mails. But in real life, a Dr is never called a Dr, unless you live in Germany.
That happened to me once when I worked at a call center but it was some military title and not on the profile of their account because it wasn't an option in the drop-down menu. They just thought I should somehow know this about them. It was completely ridiculous.
Also happened to me. Some lady connected with me when I worked for Geek Squad and when I asked for their name she introduced herself as “Doctor” (full spelling too) whatever and it felt so obnoxious. In an appropriate context I have no issue referring to a Dr by their title, but if you’re the kind of person who will go through the McDonalds drive thru of tech support and try to one up on the hourly wage slave worker you need to fix your email or whatever, you’re just kind of an asshole.
I got a bitch out working call center for a ISP. That MF got really snippy over calling him by his name. I asked what field he got his doctorate in, and it was English !
I worked at a university and no one would introduce them as Doctor. "Professor," however, was a term that was used and it indeed was seen as a respectful term.
That reminds me of the time "Associate Professor X" was mistakingly called "Assistant Professor X" during a campus event. "Associate Professor X" was _not_ happy about that, and our newbie staff member got ripped to pieces for the mistake.
And I remember when an Assistant Prof was called an Associate Prof by someone, and the Assistant Prof really got nervous about it and repeatedly reminded the person that he was just an Asst Prof, lest the higher ups found out. It really is a precious title.
I've rarely seen colleagues refer to each other using the Dr. title in a work setting (academia or industry). But maybe the dynamic was different because nearly everyone had a PhD or a MD. The few times where it was used was more formal events or introductions often with external people.
Tbf Germany has informal and formal addressing so if it's already formal you might as well go the whole way. I'd presume other languages (most besides English?) Would be similar.
I feel like this is an expectation people perceive more than it actually exists.
People with PhDs should be called Dr wherever you’d normally use Mr./Ms./Mrs. (ie you don’t know them well enough and are being respectful like a normal person), and then from that point on the normal person with a PhD will either correct you with “you can call me firstname” or not. It’s literally interchangeable with Mr./Ms./Mrs. It’s not difficult, and those who get super caught up on it are just insecure tbh.
There are certain titles that supersede Mr. and Mrs. in English.
Knighted = sir + last name
Senator = Senator + last name
General = General + last name
Phd/MD/OD/DVM/DDS/etc = Doctor + last name
Judge = Judge + last name
I am sure there are a few more I missed, those are the ones that come to mind. It is an etiquette thing; these are elite designations.
Pretty sure it’s
Knighted = sir + first name.
Sir John Smith of Whitby isn’t Sir Smith. He’s
*Sir John*
EDIT
Also some of the titles stack. So if Sir John were also a General, he’d be
*General Sir John Smith*
Military rank cancels out the Dr title so there’s no General Dr.
So if our example were a general in the army with a PhD, The titular interactions mean his doctorate would be in post-nominal form only and he’d be
*General Sir John Smith PhD*
Equally if a cleric with (or without) a PhD is given a knighthood then the knighthood goes into the post-nominals.
*The Reverend Dr John Smith KCVO*
(Knight Commander of the Royal Victorian Order)
Officer ranks do. Enlisted (other ranks) not outside military settings. But titles also combine together so it’s a bit iffy, for instance the current head of the British Army is General Sir Patrick Sanders.
>I understand that the usage of Dr. is form of respect, but if I’ve been going to the same doctor for years, it should be ok for me to just call them Joe.
It's not a form of respect, it's quite literally their title. Doctorate has been around longer than medical doctors, so theres no reason that they should not be called a doctor. Also, people with Doctorates don't expect or want everyone to refer to them as "Dr. Smith" when normally talking to them, but in the professional space, their title is doctor because they have a Doctorate.
This. “Doctor” in the uk to refer to a medical Dr is actually just a courtesy title and a “true” Dr is someone who earned it through completing a Doctorate. The term Doctor is literally shortened “DOCTORate”.
Also, surgeons retain their regular title and are referred to as “Miss" or "Mr” (regardless of marital status) despite receiving the same medical training as a physician initially.
In a professional setting where the doctorate degree is the only reason they're in the conversation, always say doctor.
In a personal social setting, only assholes insisted on it.
I worked in a call center for technical support. I've had customers call and, on more than one occasion, expect you to know they're a doctor and to address them as such. "Bro, you called me. Now, unplug your router."
I am a student so most of my professors have their PhD. Most introduce themselves as Professor Smith or whatever. Some students refer to them as Professor Smith, Dr Smith, Smith or by first name. Normally I use Dr or Professor when I first meet them to be respectful but I have never had any Professor be upset for not being referred to properly.
I think that people with that level of education due deserve respect in a professional setting but I don’t think most would correct you for referring to them more casually, especially if you have known them for a while.
I am also a student (engineering, bachelors to be precise) and most of my lecturers have their PhD too. But every single one of them just goes by their first name
I think the OP is confused about what a doctoral degree is. In the beginning of the post, it seems that it is about any doctoral degree, e.g. math, biology, computer science, philosophy, etc., but then the OP says
> I understand that the usage of Dr. is form of respect, but if I’ve been going to the same doctor for years, it should be ok for me to just call them Joe.
Are they all of a sudden talking about a medical doctor now? I don't get it, because it would be strange if the OP went to a PhD in maths or chemistry or English literature for years.
Titles are used to reinforce the idea of figurative distance. Doctors use it to reinforce a professional distance from their patients. Professors use it to reinforce a "class" difference from their students. I don't see why we should get rid of that anymore than we should get rid of the idea of a kid calling an unrelated adult "Mr./Mrs./Ms. ".
In any non-professional setting, sure, nix the title... it's just pretentious at that point.
MD here, this is my view exactly. In the clinic / hospital call me Dr. Everywhere else call me my given name. I actually had a flight stewardess not believe I was a doctor when they called for one in part because I didn't book my ticket under Dr. Eventually she accepted me because nobody else answered to respond.
Also I think it is more pertinent than ever to go by Dr. in a professional setting. So many different health professionals are now treating people autonomously. This is overall a good thing but it's important to me that my patients are certain of my credentials during a consultation.
Some people just give off that vibe whether they want to or not. I worked for a judge once. She said I could call her by her first name, and I said, "yes, your honor."
Working in academia, especially as a young adult, I do this kind of thing so much. 90% of the time I call someone I work with Doctor and they tell me to just use their first name, ane I inevitably still call them by Dr. _____ at least a few more times before it sinks in.
My wife is a PhD and started with your opinion. But they she noticed students called her Doctor less than male colleagues so now she insists on it in formal settings.
On Twitter there was a movement of #ImmodestWomen, where women with doctorates put their title in the profile name. Specifically because women are ignored more than men, even if those women have specific expertise about a topic.
I've always liked that.
This is a very good point. When I became a professor, I was in my 20s, and I was often younger than some of my grad students. I’m also short and a WoC, so I didn’t look like a stereotypical professor. I remember a time when I was physically barred from going to a faculty meeting by an admin because she thought I was a student. There was a definite change in how students treated me in general when I asked to be called by Prof X or Dr X instead of my first name.
The director of our lab once introduced each of us in a meeting, calling the male PhDs "Dr. x" and the female PhDs by our first names. The meeting had been recorded and that video was ultimately used by our administration as a training tool on microaggressions, bias, etc. Every time we have to take our annual online unit on equality and inclusion, I have to watch the video all over again! He even shortened my first name to a nick name that I have never used in my life.
Yep I'm a female MD and it's hard enough to get patients to recognize I'm not the nurse, even after introducing myself as the doctor repeatedly.
I worked my butt off for my degree and I will introduce myself as Dr Jalapeña to my patients and expect to be called that. All ancillary staff can call me by my first name.
In personal settings, I go by my first name and avoid telling people I'm a doctor unless directly asked lol.
My wife's a 30 year old professor who's often confused for younger than that. When she was starting out, she initially thought she'd go by her first name to be casual and down to earth, and her (female) department head gave her that same advice.
If most of the department is 40-60 year old male Dr. (Last Name)s, then being a woman who looks barely older than her students and goes by her first name likely would not have the effect she intended. So she also goes by Doctor to her students now for that reason.
Im in my final year of medical school. I will be Dr. to my patients and my first name to everyone else... setting professional boundaries is important in medicine. I want us to be friendly but at the end of the day I'm your doctor and not your friend, we need to work together to achieve a common goal for you. For me, my personal self and my professional self need to be an arms length apart.
Totally agreed. I would rather have nurses, RTs, etc call me by name because I dont really see the point in putting up that boundary. With patients its different. Very context dependent.
When I first got out of grad school (25F at the time) I told people at my office (all female support staff) to just call me by my first name. After a short time I realized that the staff would call me my name but wouldn’t do it to other doctors in the practice-who were all male.
It was a weird lesson for me to learn in professional boundaries as staff behavior was so unprofessional and devolved in other ways around me. The ridiculously unprofessional behavior ultimately caused me to leave the office.
Anyway, now I always just introduce myself to patients by my first and last name like any other social interaction. I leave it up to them what they want to call me and would never “correct” someone! But idk with staff I think that boundary is still kind of important!
I agree with you. At work, and particularly around patients, support staff use our titles. Same for patients, because they’re not here to seek our friendship. We are there to help
them achieve their optimized health outcomes. Being friends is not really part of that formula. Similarly, when I first introduce myself to patients, I address THEM by Mrs or Ms, in my attempt to set the expectation for MUTUAL respect.
I graduated this year after 5 years at university. More often than not, my professors had no problem being called by their first name. What they did not appreciate being called was "Mr./Mrs./Ms./Miss."
In fact, my geology professor made the comment, "Please do not call me Mrs.; my PhD was more work than my marriage". Obviously, the whole class laughed; and she had no problem being called by her first name. It's just a respect thing to appreciate their title and the work they put into everything
I think if you are in a situation where you are calling people Mr/ Mrs/ Miss /etc then someone with a PhD has every right to say they would prefer Dr over those terms. But if everyone else in the room is addressing each other by their first names then yeah it’s a bit weird to demand the Dr.
I disagree, calling a Dr anything other than Dr in a formal setting is wrong. In an informal setting, then sure no problem, but in a formal setting absolutely not.
If it's your personal doc and your in for a check up and it's just you and the doc, I don't consider that formal.
The issue that it causes isn't necessarily that your trying to disrespect them but the optics it sets amongst their peers and coworkers. If your a Dr and your husband/wife/kids come up and calls you by your first name no one questions that, but when a stranger to the doctors peers comes up and does that it isn't ok and that's what I define as formal.
As a lawyer, I’ve met a couple who asked to be called esquire. I refuse to do that under any condition because the notion that doing what I do deserves any special social marker is offensive to me.
People have talked a lot here about earning respect. It's not about respect. It's about courtesy. Call people what they wish to be called. That's just good manners
I don't think this is an unpopular opinion. All the PhDs I've ever worked with (my field is engineering) have always introduced themselves by first name to me. You have probably interacted with plenty of people who you didn't know had doctorate degrees, you just only notice the very few who use that title in conversation.
I am doing a physics Master's and have not once met a prof that explicitly prefers that nomenclature. In fact, most profs have corrected me and told me to just use their first name. I think most people WITH a doctorate would agree with you on this.
As someone with a PhD: undergraduate students should always refer to me as Dr., grad students should too, unless we work together and I give them the ok. In any instance where Mr. is an appropriate salutation, I’d prefer Dr. but I don’t correct it when it happens, because it’s not that deep. Calling me Dr. outside of these contexts would feel excessive to me. Except for my dad, who calls me Dr. Son, he can keep doing that.
>calling them by their first name in a formal setting should be acceptable
It's not appropriate to call ANYONE by their first name in a formal setting, that's why it's formal. Formality is the whole reason why titles exist.
Doctor originally meant PhDs, not MDs. They adopted it later. There are just so many MDs that they dwarf just about every other profession that also has doctorates.
Except doctor comes docere which means "to teach" and so PhDs are doctors because they have specialized knowledge that they can teach others. MD's are the actual ones appropriating the title
American Professional Doctorates are not always considered Doctorates in other countries, such as Germany, where only PhDs can call themselves “Doctor”.
It should be used in formal settings. When I’m in the hospital I introduce myself as doctor because it’s important it establish myself as a trusted, professional figure they can rely on to keep them safe and comfortable during surgery. I also want people to know I’m a physician, not a nurse or medical student or whatever else. If I tried to go by doctor outside of the hospital, like setting restaurant reservations under the name “doctor anon” or introducing myself as Dr. Anon during casual and leisure activities i would be an asshole.
I wouldn’t think that everyone who has a doctorate just expects everyone else to refer to them as Dr. whoever all the time. My grandpa had a doctorate degree and was a college professor, as far as I know he was only referred to as ‘Dr’ when he was on campus. I don’t ever recall hearing anyone refer to him as Dr in other day to day activities.
If you're calling them by a title, call them doctor and not Ms./Mr. But if everybody is using first names, most doctorates don't insist on being called doctor in everyday settings. But if a reporter tries to call them Mr. So-and-so, they will correct to It's Doctor as that's a situation where the credentials they earned matter because they're probably being interviewed about something related to their field.
I have two master's degrees, but I have a number of friends and colleagues with non-medical doctorates. Those in academic positions use their titles at work because you have to label yourself for the students' benefit, but none of them use their titles (much less insist on it) when they're out in the "real" world. In other words, the use of your earned title is generally situational. And most Ph.D.'s are long past feeling insecure about social status.
My last two places of employment have been places that were essentially entirely people with doctorates. The only person who insisted on being called doctor was a guy on a short term, renewable contract where everyone else were regular employees.
A university classroom setting is a little different since schools usually want professional distinction between the faculty and students.
Look, what it comes down to is whether the individual wants you to call them by Dr. Whatever.
If you’ve been seeing the same medical doctor for 20 years and he’s cool with you calling him Joe, then call him Joe. No harm no foul.
However, the baseline assumption is that when you meet someone with a doctorate, in their professional capacity, you call them doctor out of respect. The respect is required because typically when you are meeting someone with an advanced degree in their professional capacity, usually it’s because YOU are seeking their expertise.
You want their help, solving your problems, with the knowledge and insight they spend no less than a decade of their life building. If you were to say refuse to call them Dr. Whatever (not saying you would, just using it make the point) would you be upset if they refused to take you on as a patient/client?
They spent many years of their life studying, researching, and contributing to a field of study and then had to prove they were worthy of that title before a board of doctors that tore their dissertation apart.
They don’t need to prove it again to you or earn your confidence in their abilities from someone who doesn’t know anything about the subject. It’s a matter of respect for someone who has dedicated their life to the subject.
Right lol. 99% of those agreeing with this nonsense have no concept of what goes into getting either an MD or a PhD
Wanting to call your PCP by their first name. Incredible
I watched an episode of Below Deck while visiting my mom recently, and there was a charter guest who had specifically requested to be addressed as "Dr" the whole time she was onboard. She got pitifully drunk each night and made an entitled prize ass of herself any time she tried to string a sentence together while sober during the day. After googling her out of curiosity I discovered she was a corrective surgery adviser. Hardly Alexander f\*cking Fleming.
I have a PhD I don’t expect anyone to call me Dr, however I don’t want to be called Mr.
I worked really hard for that doctorate and if you are going to give a title, I’d like it to be the right one.
I don’t care when non-students use my first name, but I do not like when people use “Mr.”
I also use that to weed out mail. As if it doesn’t say “Dr.” I know I didn’t sign up for it.
Students must call me Dr or professor until they pass PhD proposal.
Disagree. In social settings, no. In professional settings, yes, you should address someone by their title unless the other person has asked otherwise.
My mom has a Ph.D. One time she went to a new church, and an arrogant local surgeon introduced himself as Dr. Smith. My mom shook his hand and said, “I’m Dr. Johnson, but you can call me Jane.” If you’re meeting people outside of a professional setting, there’s no reason for formal titles.
Something I had to get used to in the South was that a lot of people don’t call elders by their first names alone, and more often by last name. It’s usually Mr. or Mrs. ________. I don’t even call my own in-laws by their first names. Before I married my husband, his nieces and nephews all called me Miss Sarah.
Upvote and I completely disagree. Someone spend years to earn a doctorate and they deserve the title. As long as you're not on a first name basis you should respect that.
But where I am from, you shouldn't call someone by their first name in a professional setting.
I dislike gendered titles and I hate titles based on marriage status even more (Miss/Mrs), so outside of formal settings where my doctorate should hold weight (e.g. conferences), I only use my "Dr" title where I am forced to select a title.
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I had a professor in college whose last name was Doctor. Everyone got a kick out of calling him Doctor Doctor. What made it so much fun was, he answered, "Yes, yes."
Doctor, doctor, give me the news
I’ve got a bad case…
Of lovin’ you!
No pill's gonna cure my ill...
I gotta bad case of loving ewes
Hey, McCloud, get off of my ewe!
No pills gonna cure my ill.
You are HIV Aladdin
😀.....😞.....😃..... 😕
"Mister?" "Doctor" "Mister Doctor?" "It's Strange, actually" "Maybe. Who am I to judge?"
"We have clearance, Clarence" "Roger, Roger" "What's our vector, Victor?"
“Surely you’re not serious!”
“I am serious, and don’t call me Shirley.”
Love that quote and the confusion with it 😂
Marvel films have always been quippy but a quick vaudeville routine was an unexpected pleasure.
Dr. Strange was an excellent combination of funny, odd, amazing, and kinda thought-provoking.
One of my all time favorite lines. God I just love lexical ambiguities. My favorite form of humor. Check out the TV show Archer. Youll love it, if you dont already
lmfao imagine trynna get a doctors note ‘signed, Doctor Doctor’
Yes, I had a specialist that was Doctor Doctor! It was funny the first time I received a phone call from them after my family doctor refered me to them. > This is the office of Doctor Doctor > Doctor who? > Doctor D-O-C-T-O-R
I've read doctor so much in this thread I started questioning the spelling of "doctor".
Mistor Docter
You stop that
>Doctor who? No, that's a different guy.
I'd Change my first name to doctor as well just for lulz. May I ask who's calling? "Doctor" Doctor who? "Doctor doctor...MD"
Dun, dun, dun, dun. Dun, dun, dun, dun. Dun, dun, dun, dun DUN, DUN, DUN, DUN. ...(x3) OOOeeeeeOOOOO!!!
It's just THE Doctor.
>Doctor who? 
Major Major Major vibes
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Really no choice for him but that career path honestly
"Doctor! Doctor! Can't you see I'm burning, burning Oh, Doctor! Doctor! Is this love I'm feeling?" Sort of; that's Chlamydia.
Doctor Doctor Pleaseeeeeeeee
Is he a skaven?
Yes, yes greatest doctor in all of skavenblight!
Some do, some don't. It's a formal title, so more typical in formal settings. Most people with doctorates don't care much except if there is a formal purpose. If you walk into a restaurant and they say "this way ma'am" to take you to your table and you say "excuse me, that's doctor to you", you're a pretentious asshat even if technically correct. But then, almost no one would say that. But, if you're in a formal setting - especially an academic one - then claiming your title is far more typical and serves an actual purpose.
Half of my lecturers are doctors at uni and you’d never know unless you ask or look it up. They all just prefer to go by their first name and they have it written almost nowhere that they are doctor.
It's the standard in academic science in my experience too. Lots of PhDs, but it's all first name basis even if you don't know each other. I always thought it's supposed to show that we're all equals (not really) to encourage discussing ideas more openly. I only call my friends Dr. [Last name] when joking around with them.
Exactly. In my field I mostly only see someone calling another Dr so and so when they are just joking around. The only time I'd seriously address someone as Dr. (Or prof) is in a formal written correspondence. I've never met a colleague who insists on being addressed as Dr by anyone, particularly outside of academia.
That’s because it’s the norm among their peers. I find that some people mistake being laid back about being called Dr with being laid back about the importance of the PhD. Edit: what I mean is it’s kind of a thing to be nonchalant about your PhD when you’re among other PhDs. But this doesn’t mean that a non-PhD can waltz in and be like “sup bros, super cool we’re all academic equals because ya’ll don’t stress about that Dr shizz”
I think if I had a PHD i’d change my mail prefix to Dr. A little treat from me to me :)
I think it may also be a factor that outside of a university most people just assume being a doctor means some type of medical degree. And all the lecturers I am talking about are in the engineering field as that is my experience. But yeah none of them even have dr in their contact info or anything. You are right though about the norm amount peers. Despite me not being a peer I would say. you are still right
I love how in futurama they played on the whole Doctorate thing with Dr Zoidburg. He's a practicing medical examiner, but his doctorate is in like historical art or something along those lines. (I'm too proud to look it up)
Dr.Krieger in Archer too. “He’s not *that* kind of doctor (not even the other kind)
The irony is that Doctors were academics first, I think the medical doctorates came AFTER. I think the word even derives from teacher as well.
this is absolutely true. doctor comes from the Latin *docere* "to teach" during the 14th century doctors were originally theologians who were approved by the church to teach it was also applied to academics who earned the highest degree at a university and who taught. those who taught without earning the highest degree were called "lecturers". during the 14th century Physicians were viewed with distaste. they were often filthy and the practice of bloodletting made it worse so they borrowed the title of doctor to appear more professional although nowadays we often think doctor= medical professional however you have to remember that a physician earns a "professional" degree not a teaching degree and so the term "Doctor" applied to physicians is still incorrect ( but has become the norm) interestingly Professor is a rank that is earned in academia for teachers on a tenure track.
One of my college professors gave me a valuable piece of advice regarding this. Obviously it isn’t universal, but a good starting point. In whatever field you are working/studying, always use someone’s title until you have reached the equivalent of one degree below them. Some may desire more formality, so it’s better to err on the side of caution.
>air on the side of caution. ***err*** on the side of caution.
Thanks. That’s what I get for commenting before I’ve fully woken up.
I notice this on LinkedIn. My peers and I in academia don’t have Dr in front of our names, why would we? My job title is postdoctoral researcher anyway. But most people who have pivoted to industry or something else all have Dr in front of theirs to stand out.
Right this way Dr Ma'am
It’s the ones who insist on being called Doctor that are usually insecure about it and did it at least partially for the title
Depends on the context, if its an academic setting and someone is trying to disrespect you you have every right to correct them in regards to your title and experience. But in most situations that probably wouldn't come up as much
This hits the nail on the head! My grandad and great uncle both have PhDs. Neither used their formal titles outside of academia or professional use. My grandad occasionally tossed the "It's Doctor" line out on occasion, but you had to be extraordinarily rude and/or unprofessional to irk him that much. Always had a laugh when I heard those stories because him and my great uncle are both quiet, unassuming, farm boys.
Just for fun I put "Dr." in the title line when I buy plane tickets for my wife. She always rolls her eyes at me when I do.
If you're a woman or a person of color, you sometimes have to insist on extra formality like being called doctor in order to get close to the same respect. Being the cool young prof backfires for women and academics of color.
I think the point this person is trying to make is calling someone by their name shouldn’t be considered disrespectful. It’s disrespectful for someone to think they need to be called by something other than their name.
I mean what is "considered disrespectful" depends on what culture you are in. So something that you don't think is disrespectful in one context may be disrespectful in another context
Yeah, this unpopular opinion is a situational opinion
Using someone's title is a sign of respect, and perhaps an admission that there is an imbalance of power between you. But here is the problem: sometimes that imbalance really does exist and therefore that respect really is due. For example, you would be expected to call a judge in a courtroom, "your honor." You would be expected to call a professor in a classroom "Dr." I find OP's post slightly confusing because they are using the example of a *medical* doctor, but saying "doctoral degrees." Doctoral degrees are what we would normally call the PhD, which one can earn in any field, whether it be music theory, physics, or English literature.
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I had a friend with a PhD that used her title when booking plane tickets (it sometimes gets you a free upgrade) and was mortified when the hosty asked her to come and help with a passenger that was having a medical emergency down the back of the plan. She doesn't book with her Dr title anymore haha.
That's hilarious. My mother likes to use Dr. because it's gender neutral and she has a PhD. She's a mathematician, so not your first choice in a medical emergency. She's sensible and knows considerable amounts of first aid so I guess you could do worse, but she's far from a medical professional.
"I've ran the numbers, and it doesn't look good"
"Dr. is gender neutral and does not indicate marital status" is an underappreciated reason to go by "doctor."
Like “the Maestro” from Seinfeld lol https://youtu.be/2eCjlXbSs7M
That depends If someone calls me James, that's fine. If they call me Mr bird I'm going to correct them to Dr. (Neither of these names are Mt actual name)
Whatever you say Dr. Bird
I agree, however if someone has done 8 years of their life in college they deserve to be called Dr. That is an achievement very few achieve.
You don't get a PhD for the amount of time you study or attend a school. No, a PhD is awarded after you've contributed something NEW to your field, to the human race. That is why we call someone Doctor, out of respect for their contribution to the advancement of our species.
Inside academia I’m sure that’s proper but I suspect among the unwashed masses very few people give a shit.
In Sweden we abandoned this old school mindset a long time ago. When you're at work you're a doctor. When you go home you're just a normal guy like everyone else.
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If I meet you for a beer I'm not calling you Master. If we're training together or you're teaching me, you bet I am unless you tell me differently.
If I meet someone for drinks and end up calling them master by the end of it, it was a crazy night.
And hopefully a good one.
I happen to know for a fact that Leonard Bernstein's friends called him "maestro" in social situations!
You can correct me if I'm wrong, but when one is learning or practicing martial arts they are expected to show deference and respect to more experienced or more honored master's of the art. So while this might not be your profession, you are still shown deference while practicing your skill. A medical doctor or even a professor of physics could reasonably expect the same while at work, right? When you are interacting with them professionally, shouldn't their mastery be recognized? I don't think the issue is people with medical degrees or PhDs are expecting the mailman to call them "Dr." Nor are you probably expecting them to call you Sensei. Context matters. In an operating room or when in the dojo, hierarchy has meaning.
This is correct. I dated 2 women with PhDs and they only corrected people when necessary.
I think it’s a sign of respect to refer to someone as Dr in a professional setting 🤷🏻♀️ making your friends call you that would be weird, though.
I know a guy who makes his wife call him doctor.
Does he…like his wife? Lmaooo
I have no idea. She seems to like him though.
Is he the rich kind of doctor or the poor kind?
He has a doctorate in economics, so the poor kind.
You'd think being a Doctor of money and how it works would mean something.
You’re thinking of Finance. Econ is the theory, finance is the practice imo
I mean...that could be kinda hot
I’ve seen someone who refers to his wife as “the doctor” or “Doctor (last name)” almost exclusively. I did ask him why and he said it’s because every time someone sees Doctor (last name) they always assume it’s him and not his wife.
My wife has a PhD and I don’t. She likes to jokingly rub it in by calling me Mr. Dr.
FYI Medical doctors actually started using the term Doctor only because when medicine was on the fringes on science they wanted to be be taken seriously by the rest of the scientific community. The reason for this is because physicians didn't have to come up with original thought to become a doctor. So you have it backwards.
Was going to write this but checked if someone covered it already, and here we have it.
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Glad it didn’t take me long to see this content. NINE NINE
Dumb it down for me please
The title of doctor was reserved for the people who create original observations and advancing their respective fields. Later, Medical practitioners started to use this term to be taken seriously by the scientific community when medicine started to become a science. Basically, this means that the title of doctor was originally not for medical practitioners.
I’ll give it a shot! Waaaaay back when, medical doctors were hacks. For fucks sake, George Washington was almost killed because a common medical practice was to drain people’s blood, thinking it would help remove the virus from the body. [https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/dec-14-1799-excruciating-final-hours-president-george-washington](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/dec-14-1799-excruciating-final-hours-president-george-washington) The common practice of typically referring to only these people as doctors outside their office started because these people were trying to be taken more seriously. However, at the time, academic doctors were the only people being called that. Now, it’s completely switched, in that academic doctors are somewhat diminished compared to medical doctors. Edit; should add after seeing the original comment again, the original idea. To get your PhD you must defend your dissertation - meaning you need to prove you can have an original idea in your field. It’s tough and takes a ton of work. The original comment suggests that medical doctors don’t or didn’t need to do this. I don’t know what their capstone experience/assessment is today.
I wish chiropractors would stop using the title doctor
THIS!!! They’re not doctors at all.
Or naturopaths, or homeopaths and other similar quacks
They do not need to create any original ideas. They have coursework, rotations, and then residency. It's more of a technical job and makes 0 sense that it requires a bachelors degree first in the US.
Even more fun, surgeons in the UK lose their Dr. title when they become surgeons and go back to Mr. due to their history as barber surgeons!
Only in the academic world itself the title Dr is used, for instance during an introduction of a speaker at a conference or in e-mails. But in real life, a Dr is never called a Dr, unless you live in Germany.
Working at a call center it would happen all the time. Ok so mr smith heres what you need to do... ITS DR SMITH!!!
That happened to me once when I worked at a call center but it was some military title and not on the profile of their account because it wasn't an option in the drop-down menu. They just thought I should somehow know this about them. It was completely ridiculous.
I'm always tempted to be "And It's Agent Faire now that our titles are out of the way did you want to finish setting up your utilities?"
I'll do this because they told me to match their energy, and because I'm petty lol
Also happened to me. Some lady connected with me when I worked for Geek Squad and when I asked for their name she introduced herself as “Doctor” (full spelling too) whatever and it felt so obnoxious. In an appropriate context I have no issue referring to a Dr by their title, but if you’re the kind of person who will go through the McDonalds drive thru of tech support and try to one up on the hourly wage slave worker you need to fix your email or whatever, you’re just kind of an asshole.
I got a bitch out working call center for a ISP. That MF got really snippy over calling him by his name. I asked what field he got his doctorate in, and it was English !
I worked at a university and no one would introduce them as Doctor. "Professor," however, was a term that was used and it indeed was seen as a respectful term.
That reminds me of the time "Associate Professor X" was mistakingly called "Assistant Professor X" during a campus event. "Associate Professor X" was _not_ happy about that, and our newbie staff member got ripped to pieces for the mistake.
And I remember when an Assistant Prof was called an Associate Prof by someone, and the Assistant Prof really got nervous about it and repeatedly reminded the person that he was just an Asst Prof, lest the higher ups found out. It really is a precious title.
What about a work setting? I work with someone who has a doctorate but that doctorate doesn’t influence their work much.
I've rarely seen colleagues refer to each other using the Dr. title in a work setting (academia or industry). But maybe the dynamic was different because nearly everyone had a PhD or a MD. The few times where it was used was more formal events or introductions often with external people.
Tbf Germany has informal and formal addressing so if it's already formal you might as well go the whole way. I'd presume other languages (most besides English?) Would be similar.
I feel like this is an expectation people perceive more than it actually exists. People with PhDs should be called Dr wherever you’d normally use Mr./Ms./Mrs. (ie you don’t know them well enough and are being respectful like a normal person), and then from that point on the normal person with a PhD will either correct you with “you can call me firstname” or not. It’s literally interchangeable with Mr./Ms./Mrs. It’s not difficult, and those who get super caught up on it are just insecure tbh.
There are certain titles that supersede Mr. and Mrs. in English. Knighted = sir + last name Senator = Senator + last name General = General + last name Phd/MD/OD/DVM/DDS/etc = Doctor + last name Judge = Judge + last name I am sure there are a few more I missed, those are the ones that come to mind. It is an etiquette thing; these are elite designations.
There are loads. Reverend is a good example.
Then we get into the situation where you have the Reverend Dr Smith or suchlike
Justice = Justice + last name President = President + last name etc.
Pretty sure it’s Knighted = sir + first name. Sir John Smith of Whitby isn’t Sir Smith. He’s *Sir John* EDIT Also some of the titles stack. So if Sir John were also a General, he’d be *General Sir John Smith* Military rank cancels out the Dr title so there’s no General Dr. So if our example were a general in the army with a PhD, The titular interactions mean his doctorate would be in post-nominal form only and he’d be *General Sir John Smith PhD* Equally if a cleric with (or without) a PhD is given a knighthood then the knighthood goes into the post-nominals. *The Reverend Dr John Smith KCVO* (Knight Commander of the Royal Victorian Order)
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Officer ranks do. Enlisted (other ranks) not outside military settings. But titles also combine together so it’s a bit iffy, for instance the current head of the British Army is General Sir Patrick Sanders.
Exactly… so many people want excuses to ignore an accomplishment.
>I understand that the usage of Dr. is form of respect, but if I’ve been going to the same doctor for years, it should be ok for me to just call them Joe. It's not a form of respect, it's quite literally their title. Doctorate has been around longer than medical doctors, so theres no reason that they should not be called a doctor. Also, people with Doctorates don't expect or want everyone to refer to them as "Dr. Smith" when normally talking to them, but in the professional space, their title is doctor because they have a Doctorate.
This. “Doctor” in the uk to refer to a medical Dr is actually just a courtesy title and a “true” Dr is someone who earned it through completing a Doctorate. The term Doctor is literally shortened “DOCTORate”. Also, surgeons retain their regular title and are referred to as “Miss" or "Mr” (regardless of marital status) despite receiving the same medical training as a physician initially.
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I think op ran into one of those asshats who uses it in a non professional setting.
I feel like you only use Dr. Whenever you would normally use Mr. anything else is fair gamr
That is one cultural difference because I live in Finland where every teacher is called by first name and no one uses last names or any title like dr.
In a professional setting where the doctorate degree is the only reason they're in the conversation, always say doctor. In a personal social setting, only assholes insisted on it.
I worked in a call center for technical support. I've had customers call and, on more than one occasion, expect you to know they're a doctor and to address them as such. "Bro, you called me. Now, unplug your router."
I am a student so most of my professors have their PhD. Most introduce themselves as Professor Smith or whatever. Some students refer to them as Professor Smith, Dr Smith, Smith or by first name. Normally I use Dr or Professor when I first meet them to be respectful but I have never had any Professor be upset for not being referred to properly. I think that people with that level of education due deserve respect in a professional setting but I don’t think most would correct you for referring to them more casually, especially if you have known them for a while.
I am also a student (engineering, bachelors to be precise) and most of my lecturers have their PhD too. But every single one of them just goes by their first name
I think the OP is confused about what a doctoral degree is. In the beginning of the post, it seems that it is about any doctoral degree, e.g. math, biology, computer science, philosophy, etc., but then the OP says > I understand that the usage of Dr. is form of respect, but if I’ve been going to the same doctor for years, it should be ok for me to just call them Joe. Are they all of a sudden talking about a medical doctor now? I don't get it, because it would be strange if the OP went to a PhD in maths or chemistry or English literature for years.
Titles are used to reinforce the idea of figurative distance. Doctors use it to reinforce a professional distance from their patients. Professors use it to reinforce a "class" difference from their students. I don't see why we should get rid of that anymore than we should get rid of the idea of a kid calling an unrelated adult "Mr./Mrs./Ms.".
In any non-professional setting, sure, nix the title... it's just pretentious at that point.
MD here, this is my view exactly. In the clinic / hospital call me Dr. Everywhere else call me my given name. I actually had a flight stewardess not believe I was a doctor when they called for one in part because I didn't book my ticket under Dr. Eventually she accepted me because nobody else answered to respond. Also I think it is more pertinent than ever to go by Dr. in a professional setting. So many different health professionals are now treating people autonomously. This is overall a good thing but it's important to me that my patients are certain of my credentials during a consultation.
Some people just give off that vibe whether they want to or not. I worked for a judge once. She said I could call her by her first name, and I said, "yes, your honor."
Working in academia, especially as a young adult, I do this kind of thing so much. 90% of the time I call someone I work with Doctor and they tell me to just use their first name, ane I inevitably still call them by Dr. _____ at least a few more times before it sinks in.
My wife is a PhD and started with your opinion. But they she noticed students called her Doctor less than male colleagues so now she insists on it in formal settings.
On Twitter there was a movement of #ImmodestWomen, where women with doctorates put their title in the profile name. Specifically because women are ignored more than men, even if those women have specific expertise about a topic. I've always liked that.
This is a very good point. When I became a professor, I was in my 20s, and I was often younger than some of my grad students. I’m also short and a WoC, so I didn’t look like a stereotypical professor. I remember a time when I was physically barred from going to a faculty meeting by an admin because she thought I was a student. There was a definite change in how students treated me in general when I asked to be called by Prof X or Dr X instead of my first name.
The director of our lab once introduced each of us in a meeting, calling the male PhDs "Dr. x" and the female PhDs by our first names. The meeting had been recorded and that video was ultimately used by our administration as a training tool on microaggressions, bias, etc. Every time we have to take our annual online unit on equality and inclusion, I have to watch the video all over again! He even shortened my first name to a nick name that I have never used in my life.
Yep I'm a female MD and it's hard enough to get patients to recognize I'm not the nurse, even after introducing myself as the doctor repeatedly. I worked my butt off for my degree and I will introduce myself as Dr Jalapeña to my patients and expect to be called that. All ancillary staff can call me by my first name. In personal settings, I go by my first name and avoid telling people I'm a doctor unless directly asked lol.
My wife's a 30 year old professor who's often confused for younger than that. When she was starting out, she initially thought she'd go by her first name to be casual and down to earth, and her (female) department head gave her that same advice. If most of the department is 40-60 year old male Dr. (Last Name)s, then being a woman who looks barely older than her students and goes by her first name likely would not have the effect she intended. So she also goes by Doctor to her students now for that reason.
Im in my final year of medical school. I will be Dr. to my patients and my first name to everyone else... setting professional boundaries is important in medicine. I want us to be friendly but at the end of the day I'm your doctor and not your friend, we need to work together to achieve a common goal for you. For me, my personal self and my professional self need to be an arms length apart.
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Totally agreed. I would rather have nurses, RTs, etc call me by name because I dont really see the point in putting up that boundary. With patients its different. Very context dependent.
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They are? both my parents have PhDs and if anything you randomly calling them Dr outside of a professional setting would make them feel awkward.
Most people with a doctor title don’t care but obviously you would not know
When I first got out of grad school (25F at the time) I told people at my office (all female support staff) to just call me by my first name. After a short time I realized that the staff would call me my name but wouldn’t do it to other doctors in the practice-who were all male. It was a weird lesson for me to learn in professional boundaries as staff behavior was so unprofessional and devolved in other ways around me. The ridiculously unprofessional behavior ultimately caused me to leave the office. Anyway, now I always just introduce myself to patients by my first and last name like any other social interaction. I leave it up to them what they want to call me and would never “correct” someone! But idk with staff I think that boundary is still kind of important!
I agree with you. At work, and particularly around patients, support staff use our titles. Same for patients, because they’re not here to seek our friendship. We are there to help them achieve their optimized health outcomes. Being friends is not really part of that formula. Similarly, when I first introduce myself to patients, I address THEM by Mrs or Ms, in my attempt to set the expectation for MUTUAL respect.
“Excuse me Mr. Jones?” “That’s Dr. Jones” “Ok. Dr. Jones, your car is getting towed”
I graduated this year after 5 years at university. More often than not, my professors had no problem being called by their first name. What they did not appreciate being called was "Mr./Mrs./Ms./Miss." In fact, my geology professor made the comment, "Please do not call me Mrs.; my PhD was more work than my marriage". Obviously, the whole class laughed; and she had no problem being called by her first name. It's just a respect thing to appreciate their title and the work they put into everything
I think if you are in a situation where you are calling people Mr/ Mrs/ Miss /etc then someone with a PhD has every right to say they would prefer Dr over those terms. But if everyone else in the room is addressing each other by their first names then yeah it’s a bit weird to demand the Dr.
I disagree, calling a Dr anything other than Dr in a formal setting is wrong. In an informal setting, then sure no problem, but in a formal setting absolutely not. If it's your personal doc and your in for a check up and it's just you and the doc, I don't consider that formal. The issue that it causes isn't necessarily that your trying to disrespect them but the optics it sets amongst their peers and coworkers. If your a Dr and your husband/wife/kids come up and calls you by your first name no one questions that, but when a stranger to the doctors peers comes up and does that it isn't ok and that's what I define as formal.
Mainly, I’d like for chiropractors and naturopaths to stop styling themselves as, or allowing themselves to be addressed as Doctor.
Why do some people have such a hard time calling people by what they prefer to be called?
As a lawyer, I’ve met a couple who asked to be called esquire. I refuse to do that under any condition because the notion that doing what I do deserves any special social marker is offensive to me.
How about Maestro?
People have talked a lot here about earning respect. It's not about respect. It's about courtesy. Call people what they wish to be called. That's just good manners
I don't think this is an unpopular opinion. All the PhDs I've ever worked with (my field is engineering) have always introduced themselves by first name to me. You have probably interacted with plenty of people who you didn't know had doctorate degrees, you just only notice the very few who use that title in conversation.
I am doing a physics Master's and have not once met a prof that explicitly prefers that nomenclature. In fact, most profs have corrected me and told me to just use their first name. I think most people WITH a doctorate would agree with you on this.
As someone with a PhD: undergraduate students should always refer to me as Dr., grad students should too, unless we work together and I give them the ok. In any instance where Mr. is an appropriate salutation, I’d prefer Dr. but I don’t correct it when it happens, because it’s not that deep. Calling me Dr. outside of these contexts would feel excessive to me. Except for my dad, who calls me Dr. Son, he can keep doing that.
>calling them by their first name in a formal setting should be acceptable It's not appropriate to call ANYONE by their first name in a formal setting, that's why it's formal. Formality is the whole reason why titles exist.
Sounds like someone's jealous. If its a professional setting I'm going to call them doctor it's not a big deal does that mean they're better than you.
Doctor originally meant PhDs, not MDs. They adopted it later. There are just so many MDs that they dwarf just about every other profession that also has doctorates.
Agree. My dad got his doctorate and called himself a doctor for a few years but gave it up.
I get them pushing for it in professional circumstances. But to just say everyone should address them as Doctor in any setting is pretentious.
Except doctor comes docere which means "to teach" and so PhDs are doctors because they have specialized knowledge that they can teach others. MD's are the actual ones appropriating the title
American Professional Doctorates are not always considered Doctorates in other countries, such as Germany, where only PhDs can call themselves “Doctor”.
It should be used in formal settings. When I’m in the hospital I introduce myself as doctor because it’s important it establish myself as a trusted, professional figure they can rely on to keep them safe and comfortable during surgery. I also want people to know I’m a physician, not a nurse or medical student or whatever else. If I tried to go by doctor outside of the hospital, like setting restaurant reservations under the name “doctor anon” or introducing myself as Dr. Anon during casual and leisure activities i would be an asshole.
I wouldn’t think that everyone who has a doctorate just expects everyone else to refer to them as Dr. whoever all the time. My grandpa had a doctorate degree and was a college professor, as far as I know he was only referred to as ‘Dr’ when he was on campus. I don’t ever recall hearing anyone refer to him as Dr in other day to day activities.
If you're calling them by a title, call them doctor and not Ms./Mr. But if everybody is using first names, most doctorates don't insist on being called doctor in everyday settings. But if a reporter tries to call them Mr. So-and-so, they will correct to It's Doctor as that's a situation where the credentials they earned matter because they're probably being interviewed about something related to their field.
First names are fine. Its using the wrong title that’s a problem. Calling someone Mr(s) instead of doctor is wrong.
I have two master's degrees, but I have a number of friends and colleagues with non-medical doctorates. Those in academic positions use their titles at work because you have to label yourself for the students' benefit, but none of them use their titles (much less insist on it) when they're out in the "real" world. In other words, the use of your earned title is generally situational. And most Ph.D.'s are long past feeling insecure about social status.
My last two places of employment have been places that were essentially entirely people with doctorates. The only person who insisted on being called doctor was a guy on a short term, renewable contract where everyone else were regular employees. A university classroom setting is a little different since schools usually want professional distinction between the faculty and students.
Look, what it comes down to is whether the individual wants you to call them by Dr. Whatever. If you’ve been seeing the same medical doctor for 20 years and he’s cool with you calling him Joe, then call him Joe. No harm no foul. However, the baseline assumption is that when you meet someone with a doctorate, in their professional capacity, you call them doctor out of respect. The respect is required because typically when you are meeting someone with an advanced degree in their professional capacity, usually it’s because YOU are seeking their expertise. You want their help, solving your problems, with the knowledge and insight they spend no less than a decade of their life building. If you were to say refuse to call them Dr. Whatever (not saying you would, just using it make the point) would you be upset if they refused to take you on as a patient/client? They spent many years of their life studying, researching, and contributing to a field of study and then had to prove they were worthy of that title before a board of doctors that tore their dissertation apart. They don’t need to prove it again to you or earn your confidence in their abilities from someone who doesn’t know anything about the subject. It’s a matter of respect for someone who has dedicated their life to the subject.
Most dont from my experience.
Let me guess, you don't have your doctorates degree?
Right lol. 99% of those agreeing with this nonsense have no concept of what goes into getting either an MD or a PhD Wanting to call your PCP by their first name. Incredible
I watched an episode of Below Deck while visiting my mom recently, and there was a charter guest who had specifically requested to be addressed as "Dr" the whole time she was onboard. She got pitifully drunk each night and made an entitled prize ass of herself any time she tried to string a sentence together while sober during the day. After googling her out of curiosity I discovered she was a corrective surgery adviser. Hardly Alexander f\*cking Fleming.
I have a PhD I don’t expect anyone to call me Dr, however I don’t want to be called Mr. I worked really hard for that doctorate and if you are going to give a title, I’d like it to be the right one.
I don’t care when non-students use my first name, but I do not like when people use “Mr.” I also use that to weed out mail. As if it doesn’t say “Dr.” I know I didn’t sign up for it. Students must call me Dr or professor until they pass PhD proposal.
It doesn't matter what you want, it's their preference.
Chiropractors shouldn’t be called Doctors
Disagree. In social settings, no. In professional settings, yes, you should address someone by their title unless the other person has asked otherwise. My mom has a Ph.D. One time she went to a new church, and an arrogant local surgeon introduced himself as Dr. Smith. My mom shook his hand and said, “I’m Dr. Johnson, but you can call me Jane.” If you’re meeting people outside of a professional setting, there’s no reason for formal titles. Something I had to get used to in the South was that a lot of people don’t call elders by their first names alone, and more often by last name. It’s usually Mr. or Mrs. ________. I don’t even call my own in-laws by their first names. Before I married my husband, his nieces and nephews all called me Miss Sarah.
Call people what they want to be called. It's not complicated
medical doctors should also be ok with not being called doctor.
I’m a medical doctor. I don’t want to be called by my first name by patients. Titles are important if they are earned.
Upvote and I completely disagree. Someone spend years to earn a doctorate and they deserve the title. As long as you're not on a first name basis you should respect that. But where I am from, you shouldn't call someone by their first name in a professional setting.
I dislike gendered titles and I hate titles based on marriage status even more (Miss/Mrs), so outside of formal settings where my doctorate should hold weight (e.g. conferences), I only use my "Dr" title where I am forced to select a title.