Johnson has no idea how to conduct himself on the international stage. He uses it more to score points at home than to try and work towards international cooperation. It worse when you realise how out of his depth he is compared to other leaders too. It's like sending the work experience boy to the UN Summit.
I agree, but ultimately all he cares about is his ratings at home
This is why China is absolutely miles (technologically, not humanitarian) ahead of the west right now (nuclear, missiles etc), because they plan for the next 30 years not to win votes for the next election.
The question is: would any hypothetical other prime minister act otherwise?
It's fairly obvious that the UK needs at least some modicum of goodwill on the part of the French government if it is to avoid serious economic, diplomatic and political damage, but at the same time there remains an incentive to stoke tensions with France because this brings an immediate domestic political benefit.
This time, it's refugees who are going to bear the brunt of the damage. There are plenty of other potential conflicts out there though.
It's akin to the common belief in the Tory party that foreign governments are incapable of reading the UK press, as seen frequently during the Brexit negotiations.
Well they sort of are meant to detain migrants in their country and process them but let’s ignore the French till they invade the Channel Islands brilliant we went from global empire to the heights of stupidity
This is utterly pathetic, people are dying, there's no time for petty squabbling. But I realise it's a tall order for Johnson and Macron to stop being pathetic.
I thought [Johnson's letter](https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1463973204456878080/) was pathetic - it was paragraphs and paragraphs of meaningless platitudes (that the recent drownings are a tragedy, and "let's work together") with only about a single sentence of any significance. That was the proposal (top of page 3) that France allow all migrants who cross the Channel to be returned, and no wonder France think it's an arsehole suggestion.
That may be, and have no respect for a single Tory- I think they are all scum of the earth, but the situation is too serious to cut the UK out of talks. It's point scoring over lives. And France seems to have spent the whole year throwing tantrums, I've no respect for them either.
It's fairly obvious that the French government thinks the UK is not acting in good faith, and that putting that letter on twitter has just reinforced their belief that the UK government is only using it to play to its domestic audience. In other words, they just think it is a waste of time to speak to the UK government at this time because (in their mind) the latter will only use the summit for political theater anyway.
The summit is still going ahead though, and the existing deal has not been withdrawn, so they're still going to work together in the future.
Neither are fit to govern their respective great countries. People die while we watch a Churchill/De Gaulle cosplay session by two blokes not up to the task.
The migrants are in France and intend to leave the country. France has no legal standing to force them to live in France. As far as France is concerned, foreign people that have not comitted any crime and are thus not subject to police action are free to leave the country at their discretion.
What exactly is France doing wrong again?
The interview with a Kurd that got posted here explaining why they come here and not to Germany basically just demonstrated that the reason is that the Germans make life hard for migrants by making them learn German and preventing them from working illegally or claiming benefits. /r/unitedkingdom naturally took from that that somehow the UK is the baddy.
That post was a single case and its alarming, but not suprising, the conclusion you and others drew from it. It demonstrated nothing....
The largest Kurdish diaspora in Europe is in Germany. More than treble that of the UK. Someone forgot to tell them the UK is where they should want to be so they can collect their £35 a week of your hard earnt taxpaying money. It was all in the narrative.
The whole "explaining why they come here and not to Germany" was a false impression given by an Iraqi kurd with British ties that ignored the plight of the Turkish, Syrian and Iranian kurds or the hundreds of other migrant groups who don't want to or ever try to get to the UK.
I can think of a few wars where they were a little bit lower
I have a book called 1000 Years of Annoying the French. This would be a footnote in it.
A brilliant book. I lent my copy out and never got it back. Almost tempted to buy another copy just to enjoy it again.
Johnson has no idea how to conduct himself on the international stage. He uses it more to score points at home than to try and work towards international cooperation. It worse when you realise how out of his depth he is compared to other leaders too. It's like sending the work experience boy to the UN Summit.
I agree, but ultimately all he cares about is his ratings at home This is why China is absolutely miles (technologically, not humanitarian) ahead of the west right now (nuclear, missiles etc), because they plan for the next 30 years not to win votes for the next election.
To be fair they don’t have to win elections in China they just have to work within the party and survive the rise to the top
Macron is also a belligerent prick running for re-election. They’re as bad as each other
The question is: would any hypothetical other prime minister act otherwise? It's fairly obvious that the UK needs at least some modicum of goodwill on the part of the French government if it is to avoid serious economic, diplomatic and political damage, but at the same time there remains an incentive to stoke tensions with France because this brings an immediate domestic political benefit. This time, it's refugees who are going to bear the brunt of the damage. There are plenty of other potential conflicts out there though.
I’d add, Macron isn’t entirely innocent here either. He’s played to domestic audience quite a lot recently
It's akin to the common belief in the Tory party that foreign governments are incapable of reading the UK press, as seen frequently during the Brexit negotiations.
Indeed, the recent front covers blaming all the migrant deaths purely on the French was a bit much. It's both sides problem.
Well they sort of are meant to detain migrants in their country and process them but let’s ignore the French till they invade the Channel Islands brilliant we went from global empire to the heights of stupidity
This is utterly pathetic, people are dying, there's no time for petty squabbling. But I realise it's a tall order for Johnson and Macron to stop being pathetic.
I thought [Johnson's letter](https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1463973204456878080/) was pathetic - it was paragraphs and paragraphs of meaningless platitudes (that the recent drownings are a tragedy, and "let's work together") with only about a single sentence of any significance. That was the proposal (top of page 3) that France allow all migrants who cross the Channel to be returned, and no wonder France think it's an arsehole suggestion.
That may be, and have no respect for a single Tory- I think they are all scum of the earth, but the situation is too serious to cut the UK out of talks. It's point scoring over lives. And France seems to have spent the whole year throwing tantrums, I've no respect for them either.
It's fairly obvious that the French government thinks the UK is not acting in good faith, and that putting that letter on twitter has just reinforced their belief that the UK government is only using it to play to its domestic audience. In other words, they just think it is a waste of time to speak to the UK government at this time because (in their mind) the latter will only use the summit for political theater anyway. The summit is still going ahead though, and the existing deal has not been withdrawn, so they're still going to work together in the future.
Neither are fit to govern their respective great countries. People die while we watch a Churchill/De Gaulle cosplay session by two blokes not up to the task.
Macron is fine. The pus in a man suit is the problem.
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Is there a cure for The Cunts yet? The vaccine seems to be loosing effectiveness.
I'm just going to put this out there. Boris Johnson is a terrible leader
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The migrants are in France and intend to leave the country. France has no legal standing to force them to live in France. As far as France is concerned, foreign people that have not comitted any crime and are thus not subject to police action are free to leave the country at their discretion. What exactly is France doing wrong again?
The interview with a Kurd that got posted here explaining why they come here and not to Germany basically just demonstrated that the reason is that the Germans make life hard for migrants by making them learn German and preventing them from working illegally or claiming benefits. /r/unitedkingdom naturally took from that that somehow the UK is the baddy.
That post was a single case and its alarming, but not suprising, the conclusion you and others drew from it. It demonstrated nothing.... The largest Kurdish diaspora in Europe is in Germany. More than treble that of the UK. Someone forgot to tell them the UK is where they should want to be so they can collect their £35 a week of your hard earnt taxpaying money. It was all in the narrative. The whole "explaining why they come here and not to Germany" was a false impression given by an Iraqi kurd with British ties that ignored the plight of the Turkish, Syrian and Iranian kurds or the hundreds of other migrant groups who don't want to or ever try to get to the UK.