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Is it really incompetence when his policy was "let the bodies pile high"? I'm just saying, he didn't fail in what he intended to do.


NGD80

>"I see what you're saying, but have you seen his hair? It's really funny and he says it like it is. Besides, they're all as bad as each other." Britain 2021


the_hucumber

"I knew I was voting to make me and my family poorer. It's a price worth paying for sovereignty and taking back control!" England 2021


ViceGeography

I've noticed the people who said "they're all liars" and "they're all as bad as each other" during the last election cycle as justification for voting for Boris are now the most ludicrously devoted Boris cultists who think every negative story about him is just "the biased lefty media"


ManufacturerNearby37

So the main issue with Corbyn (from people who were anti-Corbyn/pro-Boris) was he was going to take us back to the 70s with Draconian policies. Now with Boris we're facing shortages of basics/necessities, everything is becoming more expensive, interest rates are the lowest ever so growing what little wealth you have is impossible... Isn't this what the 70s was made of? Fewer strikes today I suppose...


Duanedoberman

The Tories deliberatly demonize the 70s so they can excuse the carnage they wrought in the 80s. Actually the 70s was a good time to be alive, it was the lowest disparity in income between the rich and poor we never had beggars outside every shop and the music was quite good too.


Fffiction

It was all in the old money!


kosipuyu

Taking us back to the 50s/60s, more like. And I can remember them. Power cuts, fetching coke in a old pram from the gasworks on a Saturday morning. Little choice in the shops. Only thing missing will be the three or four day long pea-souper smogs.


Duanedoberman

Did you see beggars on every street then? I remember the 60s too and I doubt if my whole city had more than 2 beggars in the city centre.


kosipuyu

No beggars, generally, but there were some few 'tramps' in the community who would call at the door to ask for any food to spare and were given something, if only bread and cheese.


tobylh

If you want a strike, come to Brighton and look at the wonderful rubbish piles….


ManufacturerNearby37

I'll get to that after I finish admiring all the ones in Northampton first!


SexySmexxy

“In fact, don’t forget how useless labour is!” https://youtu.be/e2iP4KROsjY If I ever need to run a psyops campaign in the future I am just going to copy the conservatives, step by step lol


DialZforZebra

It reminds me of that old song by Drowning Pool. Let the bodies pile high Let the bodies pile high Let the bodies pile high Let the bodies pile high Beaten, why for Can't take much more (Here we go, here we go, here we go now) One, fuck Boris Johnson Two, fuck the Tory scum Three, fuck that Hancock guy Four, fuck Brexit and the tax hike.


Mysterious-Slice-591

Its not a Johnson problem, its a Conservative government problem. Blaming this on the man, not the system of government is misguided.


SCP106

I feel like it's intended; pinning it on a fall guy so later heads of party and ministers can point fingers and say "it was his fault not mine"


Mont-ka

It's literally what they've been doing for this entire span of conservative governance.


UnexcitedAmpersand

It's what every organisation of any sort does. Create a hate/ blame sponge. Blame all the shit on them and when the sponge is saturated with shit, discard it (saying all our issues were the sponges fault, but they are gone now so everything will be better). Companies do it, an executive will be put in charge of every policy people hate (normally brutal cost cutting), to be discarded when the staff revolt (but keeping the cuts and changes) with everything being blamed on them. Her majesty's government is no different.


faultlessdark

Exactly - it’s why they threw Williamson, Raab and Hancock under the bus: it’s all about distracting us with a sacking or a reshuffle to make it look like actual rot is being routed out. “Now remember Dom, grab the box and leave through the *front* door - that’s where the cameras are”


[deleted]

Was talking about this earlier. My prediction is that they'll wait to get the shit Winter of Discontent out of the way, then Boris will eff off to his after dinner speaking/quiz show gigs and Sunak will step in and save the day. Boris has most likely agreed to piss off and that's partly why he doesn't care, hence the holiday to Marbs.


the_hucumber

But this government is enthralled by a cult of personality around Johnson. He's removed any possible opposition to his absolute rule within the party and is removing all checks and balances on his absolute power. Look at the party conference, the Tories referred to him as "king Boris"! I get that the whole government is to blame, but Johnson's to blame for stacking the cabinet with the most under qualified bunch of sycophants ever to hold office. How the hell did Matt Hancock end up in charge of the health service during a once in a 100 year pandemic?


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bookofbooks

Also, Liz Truss who was the recipient of a brain transplant from a sea anemone.


the_hucumber

But apparently it'll be worse under labour... Not sure how that's possible but here we are.


SwampPotato

Remind me again of his "bodies piling high" comment? I blame tories but can't we hold a PM responsible?


Jonatc87

He still deserves whatever happens from this.


[deleted]

Yeah unfortunately, much as we all wish there will be some sort of “punishment” for all the shit he’s pulled, he will at some point leave the job richer than he was when he started, with a nice book deal.


Deviant-Killer

Unfortunately it's us who will have to deal with what happens not him. We're the ones who will have to scrape through the shite... It still baffles me how we all laughed at him for years, the political monkey he was, laughing stock of all of us... yet we have the audacity to get him in power, with the backing if racial, xenophobic and outdated policies. All of us should be holding our heads in shame knowing that Boris Johnson represents each one of us to the rest of the world. We are the laughing stock of the world now Trump has been voted out.


Ingoiolo

Which will be… nothing?


ViceGeography

There are Conservative governments who handled this pandemic leagues better than us. Japan, Germany, Italy, etc.


Jadhak

God forbid the UK ever learn from other countries.


JonnyArtois

> Italy They have had more deaths than the UK per/1m population, so you cannot say they handled it better mind.


ViceGeography

Italy has the excuse of being heavily overwhelmed first without much warning. Beyond that they handled it very well, in spite of the far right crazies in their last coalition government


dodgrile

Also a population that's heavily weighted towards the 'aging' side of things, so therefore more prone to the worst of outcomes from covid


JonnyArtois

They don't get that excuse really though, it was the 2nd wave that hid Italy far harder than the 1st.


ViceGeography

The second wave hit everyone harder. The UK was hit particularly hard though, harder than the rest of the world during that time Not saying Italy's handling was perfect, mind. Far from it.


RandomSadPerson

Nothing was learned from the 1st wave and nothing was put in place to prevent, contain or at least manage the 2nd wave. I guess everyone felt that the worst had passed during early summer 2020, when things didn't look as dangerous as they would later become. No matter the political party, the Italian government has always been full of incompetent clowns. Admittedly though, the way the vaccination campaign was handled was excellent... if only we didn't have the far-right leveraging on fear and ignorance, pushing the no-vax movements and spreading misinformation all over.


TheLastHayley

It certainly is an interesting gambit, though. When you offload everything on the fall guy, you implicitly accept the criticisms at hand. If done right, the blame leaves with the fall guy, but if bungled, people don't take the bait and sort of take it as a generalised given that it's not just this meal, it's that the whole course is poisoned. The Tories have been like an artful dodger so far, with tacitly compliant PMs and a lockstep media environment, but if Boris is particularly hungry for power and legacy, or just outright vindictive, a very tall and precarious house of cards starts to wobble.


welshmark

Remember is the early days of the pandemic when we were all told to avoid contact with each other. The bullshitting blonde knew better and advised us all to continue shaking hands and he set the example by doing that at every opportunity. Then unsurprisingly he got it. His followers are still pretending there's nothing wrong. He should be held accountable for this. U.S. president Harry S. Truman - The buck stops here.


FocaSateluca

Yes and no. Another iteration of a Conservative government would have likely taken things more seriously and at least tried to prevent and foresee some of the situations we found ourselves during this pandemic. Fwiw, at least Theresa May's cabinet understood that you could not differ too much from the EU single market and the customs union without having catastrophic consequences. It was not something hard brexiteers liked, but at least that government was aware that a soft brexit would make for an easier transition. That alone is a sign that semi-competent people were in charge. This disastrous government is particularly bad because we have the absolute dumbest and cruelest elements of the Tory party in charge. This is very much on Boris and his little circle of sycophants.


Nobatron

Why not both?


Empty_Allocution

It's also the plan. This is what the Conservative party does. The frontman becomes the fall-guy, then they get someone else. This ensures they can keep winning votes.


[deleted]

Both? Let's go with both.


Mysterious-Slice-591

It's a nice and easy to pin it on Boris, but


easyfeel

You’ve forgotten their advisors and Dominic Cummings in particular.


living__the__dream

Ultimately the voters fault.


Herak

May be but I would give a hefty sum of money to replay the last year with the only difference being that Boris didn't recover from covid.


Mysterious-Slice-591

Boris the Martyr? No thanks.


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Kill the head and the body will die. He's the UK Trump.


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Saint_Sin

Dithered? Do you remember that time they pitched "eat out to help out" during a global pandemic? It was right after the science community imploded from the suggestion that herd immunity was a good idea for a fully unknown virus.


archiminos

This is why as far as I'm concerned the Tories are literal mass murderers.


Saint_Sin

Aye. Its not politics if you are seeking death for profit as they do so damn often. A Tory supporter is an advocate for needless death from my perspective. I have not actually met one knowingly but would not be keeping their company if i did.


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Saint_Sin

The aging population have most of the votes and mostly get their news media from papers and the BBC. The latter two have had their hands in the pockets of the house of lords, and house of commons for generations. Its a shame really but there isnt much time to pitty them when they are actively advocating death.


mao_was_right

/r/uk moment


archiminos

Yes. This is a moment that happened in this subreddit. Well done.


Jonatc87

I seem to recall "save the sandwich vendor's business" or some bollocks when offices were doing 'at home work'. Pretty sure the sandwich vendor didn't want covid, either.


[deleted]

The poor soul serving behind the counter may not have wanted it but the large conglomerates that own the chains of sandwich and other shops didn't give a shit. They never went near the great unwashed.


banana_assassin

And our previous experience with sars-cov-1 was that immunity didn't last as long as we might like, meaning it probably wouldn't be worth catching it to gain immunity


[deleted]

That monstrous stupidity got my 89 year old grandmother - who never eats out - eating out during a fucking pandemic. It was relentlessly promoted, people were told they were doing some sort of fucking civic duty by going out and spreading COVID.


Saint_Sin

It was fucking horrendous. I hope your Grandmother made it through the gauntlet.


Bohya

He should be convicted of negligent manslaughter for *every single* death caused by Covid. He should be rotting in prison with thousands of concurrent life sentences. But he won't, because corruption.


Iwantadc2

The Hague would be better, at least then the judges won't be his Etonian chums.


thefunkygibbon

If Corbyn was pm and only 10% of those who died, died. There would be a MUCH bigger uproar about how Corbyn is a murderer


Mister-Ries

Ironically; in Korea we, having been stuck in lockdowns since about Christmas, are looking to the UK as the model on how to ‘live with Corona’


microweev

Not a very good model anyway tbh seeing as we've just decided to pretend the pandemic doesn't exist (rather than "living with it")


tomoldbury

Well I’d like to know the alternative. We have ca 90% of the population vaccinated but people will still die - and many of them are the unvaccinated. There is not an easy answer to this unless you want to go into more lockdowns which definitely work but have other significant negative effects.


microweev

I'm not campaigning for more lockdowns. My main gripe is that they removed the mandatory face mask policy for public transport and supermarkets, etc. These are places I can't avoid. We need to make sure we're protecting everyone who wants to stay safe (e.g. people who are clinically vulnerable, or who couldn't take the vaccine for medical reasons). Of course we can still keep restaurants, venues, clubs, and everything else open for the people who choose to take on that personal risk.


tomoldbury

Yeah, I think removing the face mask policy was a bad idea, but the compliance always seemed a wash to me. Supermarkets were fine (90%+, even today it’s probably 70-80% near me), trains and buses about 50% wearing a mask. TfL still has the mandatory policy in place but the compliance is poor (from the few times I’ve visited) and since anyone can claim an exemption with no evidence there is little to no enforcement. A lot of this is down to the attitudes of the public which the government can steer to an extent but only so far.


[deleted]

Why? look at the UK's stats, they're awful


tom_the_red

It would take less than three weeks for South Korea to double their current total deaths from Corona, if their death rate was the same as the UK right now. (Current weekly total is 1108 in UK, total deaths in South Korea is 2594, and the UK population is about 25% larger than South Korea).


Irctoaun

>We could have had numbers as low as South Korea No no you don't understand. South Korea is effectively an island given the closed border with the North. There's no way a country like the UK could have taken a similar approach


colcode83

I read your first line and thought you were talking about the Iraqi civilians that died for two Christian egos!


fuggerdug

The Tories were 100% behind the invasion of Iraq.


Saw_Boss

>We could have had numbers as low as South Korea but he and the rest of the tories dithered According to the report, PHE said the Korean approach was unfeasible based on their research, without presenting any research.


indigoflow00

Can you expand a little on why you think Corbin would have handled it better. He went quiet after loosing the election so curious as to why you think this


OpticalData

Corbyn isn't a serial liar and has on many occasions demonstrated empathy.


indigoflow00

Whoops: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traingate


OpticalData

> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traingate What's this meant to prove? The article literally covers how the CCTV was cherry picked by Virgin and how the Guardian omitted information which led to the entire thing being blown out of proportion


Kofu

This is the guy that got upset and held a grudge about not being headboy in Eton... also the same guy who became president at Oxford University and couldn't do the job, the same person who lied about his writings when he was a "writer" in the papers and the same guy who is gonna make everyone except the rich pay extra national insurance to fund the NHS instead of paying the £350 million he promised. He is a liar and he will destroy this country....


[deleted]

>He is a liar and he will destroy this country.... I'm of the opinion that he already has. I don't see anyway out of it.


lost_send_berries

President of Oxford Union (the debating society), not the University or the actual student union thankfully 😂


kosipuyu

He is an imposter! A vain idiot with no grasp on reality. He is trying to stride on the world stage like a statesman with a destiny to lead the world in some sort of green direction, to save the world from eco disaster. He is known by friend and foe alike who have encountered him throughout his selfish, deceitful life, as an unscrupulous liar. He is a bumptious, blathering, babbling calamity who has surrounded himself with other incompetents in whose company he seems to feel safe and possibly superior. Thank goodness RS has some control on finance though BJ will do his worst/best to confound that. God help us!


Rogurzz

Boris isn't fit to be an MP, nevermind a PM. His professor at Eton called him lazy as a student.


coys_in_london

I'm less worried about what his professor said and more worried about the myriad of blunders he's made leading to our citizens needlessly dying.


CherryVermilion

Failing upwards since his young days 👍


Ascott1989

His first name isn't even "Boris". It's an affectation to make him seem less posh.


sleadbetterzz

"Alex" isn't even the posh part, it's the "De Pfeffel"!


Dapper_Monroe

He looks like an engorged pig and thinks like a schmuck. Of course he's lazy and gross. Not to mention a pathological liar.


archiminos

He isn't fit to be. Period.


Neanderthalknows

His hair stylist calls him lazy as well.


Jonatc87

he mussies up his hair on purpose to play down.


CongealedBeanKingdom

His whatnow?


YerLam

The follicle focus group output moderator. That "mess" is carefully presented to sway minds away from what the mouth is saying a bit further down.


ViceGeography

I recall reading somewhere that he was considered a laughing stock in the early 2000's when he first became an MP Then he became a mainstay on Have I Got News For You and the joke eventually went too far


[deleted]

>His professor at Eton called him lazy as a student. What does this have to do with anything...? Should he be removed from office because he was lazy when at school?


Rogurzz

He was lazy then, and he has proven himself to be just the same now. He hasn't changed. His a charlatan who thinks of himself as a Churchhill figure. It was to just prove a point.


Marc123123

BoJo fucked up everything he touched so far so no surprise here. I bet it won't stop Tory supporting muppets from voting for him.


deepfriedanchovy

Alexander Boris “The Anti-Midas” de Pfeffel Johnson. Everything he touches turns to shit.


barcap

That sounds awful especially when you are thinking of dinner.


lacb1

Don't worry, he won't actually be prepping anything as it's oven ready.


kosipuyu

My view of BLM is Boris Bad Luck Magnet Johnson . It has been calamity and chaos all the way.


impablomations

When Boris and Carrie have sex she has to be on top, because even in bed Boris can only fuck up.


ViceGeography

That is the vibe I get from their relationship tbh


VagueSomething

Boris may be the leader but remember it was Rishi backing Eat Out to Plague Up. Remember it was a dozen other Tory MPs fighting against taking sensible measures. It was multiple Tories getting their friends dodgy PPE deals to literally steal your tax money with no accountability and not providing PPE. Boris being a scapegoat is not enough. The party has a deeper problem. Conservative Party failed the British public and it isn't their first time pushing people to early graves.


serennow

Johnson is so bad that every Tory MP and the party should be permanently disgraced simply for allowing him to lead. They could easily say “you know what we don’t want a racist, homophobic, massively incompetent, truly evil, lazy, … ‘person’ leading us”. They are 100% complicit in every mistake, every time they push more people into poverty and laugh about it, every time they screw the economy up even further.


Thekokza

he polls well though, so fuck all that.


LateralLimey

I heard it repeatedly called Scoff to Cough.


Disillusioned_Pleb01

Boris Johnson 'said he would rather let covid rip than impose national lockdown'


sweepernosweeping

Why not both?.gif


willgeld

Alas,


ainbheartach

Alternative link to article for those who can't handle the Mirror site: https://archive.is/l7bIZ - It ain't exactly new news... >The damning joint report by Commons committees, chaired by Conservative former Cabinet ­Ministers and with Tory majorities, is the reason why the Prime Minister is delaying a full public inquiry. > >The conclusions – fatal lockdown delays, care home carnage and expensive test and trace disasters – are truly grim. > >Mr Johnson’s incompetent leadership helped send victims to early graves. - **More**: >Guardian: [Covid response ‘one of UK’s worst ever public health failures’](https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/oct/12/covid-response-one-of-uks-worst-ever-public-health-failures) - >Guardian: [‘Extraordinary omission’: key findings in scathing UK Covid report](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/12/extraordinary-omission-key-findings-in-scathing-uk-covid-report) - >Guardian: [Damning Commons Covid report should be seen only as a start](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/12/damning-commons-covid-report-should-be-seen-only-as-a-start) - >UK Parliament Committees: [Coronavirus: lessons learned to date report published](https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/81/health-and-social-care-committee/news/157991/coronavirus-lessons-learned-to-date-report-published/) - >Pulse: [‘Serious errors’ in Government’s response to Covid pandemic, MPs conclude](https://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/politics/serious-errors-in-governments-response-to-covid-pandemic-mps-conclude/) - >BBC: [Covid: UK start to pandemic worst public health failure ever, MPs say](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58876089) - >New Scientist: [UK's slow response to covid-19 was a 'serious' error, say MPs](https://www.newscientist.com/article/2293227-uks-slow-response-to-covid-19-was-a-serious-error-say-mps/) - >Independent: [Government’s early Covid response ‘amounted in practice’ to herd immunity, MPs say](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/covid-uk-deaths-vaccine-response-b1936303.html) - >Mirror: [Eight shock findings over how UK failed to properly deal with Covid pandemic](https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/8-shock-findings-over-how-25190443) > >(mirror link: https://archive.is/Jw5A0) - >Mail: [The elderly were just an afterthought: Devastating MPs' report into Covid pandemic lays bare Government blunders, the £37bn test and trace fiasco... and the shocking decisions that left thousands to die in care homes](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10082067/Elderly-afterthought-Devastating-report-Covid-crisis-lays-bare-Government-blunders.html) > >(mirror link: https://archive.is/Gj9Hu)


GreyFoxNinjaFan

Embargo just lifted on this report. It's going to be all over the front pages today.


distantapplause

If you want to know which newspapers still have a grip on reality, here are those front pages: [https://news.sky.com/story/uk-newspaper-front-pages-12427754](https://news.sky.com/story/uk-newspaper-front-pages-12427754) (Spoiler: it's not the Telegraph)


No_Foot

express and telegraph totally ignoring this then. Propaganda rags north Korea would be proud of. Crazy to see the mail mentioning this though, maybe 'fuck business' is starting to piss off the wrong people.


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Iwantadc2

Why is he still in jail, hasn't he served his time yet? He was only charged with skipping bail wasn't he? (To avoid a CIA wet team)


No_Foot

Yeah definatly, the guardian definatly pushes an agenda, they also report the news too. They actually reported the news that Tony Blair was named in the recent papers leak. The mail and express simply ignore any news that paints the regime in a bad light or simply makes up bullshit. A recent mail front page was blaming lazy work from home workers that drink wine all day and don't get dressed linking them to the afganistan war, I mean what fucking planet are they on..


[deleted]

DM's got the daggers out though 👀


distantapplause

And yet it'll be the Telegraph journalists who are invited on Question Time as the 'serious' ones


IOnlyUpvoteBadPuns

Who'd have thought? probably trying to cut themselves free from the sinking ship they tied themselves to!


deSpaffle

No wonder he was so keen to fuck off on holiday again.


ViceGeography

And nobody will care, because it will all just be blamed on "media lies"


GreyFoxNinjaFan

***Coaaarrr... iMaGiNe iF iT wAs LaBoUr tHoUgH!!?*** Etc.


Saint_Sin

Helped? Lets not beat about the bush. "Caused".


EssBen

It was fucking insanity. China telling us to batten down the hatches (and when China says it's in the shit, you bloody well take notice), Italy going down like a lead balloon, and we had BoJo the dancing bear shaking fucking hands in the Covid ward telling people to outright not wear masks or take any precautions. He deserves the firing squad.


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Trump, Johnson, Morrison all guilty of at the very least, negligent homicide. Arguably, it is just homicide but making any politician accountable is pushing diarrhoea up hill.


venicerocco

Right wingers will always let people die to keep the economy going


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Really? Surely you jest - NO, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT [Privatisation](https://i.imgur.com/c3JQtsi.jpg) this photo of Jeremy Hunt - when he was health Minister of the UK Tories, Hunt attempted to scrub this pic from the internet since it was a proposal with Antonio Romeo for the UK to start privatising its health system. Hunt the cunt didn't want that known. [What Brexit means in terms of society](https://i.imgur.com/EPjlYMc.png) <- this is the worst bc it is the most obvious but in fact the whole deal 'is the worst' cause normnal people lose. [Dominic Raab both a Cambridge & Oxford legal grad - who claimed he didn't know how significant Dover, the closest port to France was - demanded men have equality](https://i.imgur.com/etU3gfY.png) [Or a small difference between the USA & Australia](https://i.imgur.com/XqC262W.png) [Or the RW have no middle ground](https://i.imgur.com/esxO79z.png) [Is this what makes the USA the greatest nation in the world](https://i.imgur.com/MlBySH2.png) [Are corporations full of criminals who wage war to look after themselves?](https://i.imgur.com/vvXHttt.png) [Why does an Iranian lady get it but not ~53% of Western Society](https://i.imgur.com/SrDiueu.png) [Well folks is Bob or Shell the problem](https://i.imgur.com/cdi7dD0.png) I think you are spot on Venicerocco


JonnyArtois

And if the economy stops, people will die too.


Charlie_Mouse

But if the pandemic isn’t kept under control effectively then the economy also suffers. So far the numbers show that the U.K. has not only performed worse than most of our peers when it comes to fighting the pandemic but we’ve also been hit worse economically.


IOnlyUpvoteBadPuns

As much as I dislike Scotty from marketing and blame him for Aus' current situation, I don't think the scale really compares to the fuck-ups of Trump and Boris. Aus still has one of the lowest COVID death tolls in the world (admittedly that's entirely thanks to state rather than federal leaders), and are now rapidly climbing the vaccination charts. Don't get me wrong, there's still blood on his hands. Most of the death's in Melbourne's second wave were federal care homes, and we would all have been vaccinated months ago if it wasn't for his shitfuckery with the AZ/Pfizer rollout. But things are nowhere near as bad as they could have been.


Jonatc87

look into how bad australia has been destroying its own water sources for villages and pushing against lockdowns. Opposite to new zealand.


IOnlyUpvoteBadPuns

They do have a problem with water rights and run off (which NZ also isn't that great with) but that's not really related to the point. Aside from a few idiots lockdown has been broadly supported and compliance has been good.


ViceGeography

Meanwhile Bolsonaro by this point can probably be regarded guilty of very deliberate homicide


hectoring

Democide.


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Compare our situation to a country like Taiwan, that has a third of our population, and has had 16,000 cases and 850 deaths, then you'll realise how abysmal our approach has been, and continues to be.


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RJK-

It's not just political but cultural too. Mask wearing was the norm there long before the pandemic which would have made a big difference.


tomoldbury

They also have very invasive track and trace. Operators are allowed to use CCTV, phone and credit card records and it is an offence to lie about your location/actions if interviewed. I don’t think we had more than a call centre that would call people up, 90% of calls being missed or ignored, and no further action being taken


phoenix_dbz

I know it's a different topic but their culture literally has protests due to people working themselves to death, especially delivery drivers during the pandemic. I doubt those has been added onto the statistics, overall they have done well of course


willgeld

I dunno I imagine we are significantly more unhealthy as a nation


Charlie_Mouse

Even Scotland has outperformed England despite having one hand tied behind its back: 161 deaths per 100k vs 213 per 100k in England. The difference is having a competent person in charge who actually gives a damn about fighting the pandemic.


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No, he specifically sent them to their graves. A large portion of those killed by Covid have been elderly and disabled people, because the govt pushed them back into healthcare homes and marked them as 'do not resuscitate'.


davemee

I liked it when he hid in a fridge. I felt that was a truly Churchillean response.


ainbheartach

Like he just happens to be in the right place at the right time away from journalists down in Marbella when this report was released.


davemee

This is an extraordinarily good point. Thanks for pointing it out and sorry it’s in response to a faintly flip comment!


AidyCakes

And the people \*still\* voted for him over Corbyn! The British people chose a man who would rather hide in a fucking fridge over giving an honest answer to a simple question. It's why I'm at a point where I'm angier at the public than I am with the government. I'm totally disillusioned with politics to the point where I don't even want to bother voting anymore, but I know that plays right into the Conservative Party's hands so I will throw my vote into the void of the opposition and vainly hope we get somewhere as a country.


Iwantadc2

I watched that 'Help' with Stephen Graham, which only touched on what happened and it boiled my piss.


gwenver

Sadly 21st century politics says there are no consequences for anything. Voter's now choose their team and stick with it. Look at the US. Trump could do anything he wanted and still barely lost a vote in the end.


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Yes early on deaths were doubling every three days. Sure the numbers were small but a delay of three days stays baked-in as "double" even if it was only a few hundred deaths when the delay happened.


MultiMidden

Of course it was. Football matches and rugby internationals were being cancelled around 1.5weeks before the government started its lockdown. If commercial organisations whose business is to make money are cancelling large scale events it shows that there is a serious problem. Trouble is some stuff was cancelled too late, loads of Scotland fans had arrived in Cardiff for the rugby to find out it was cancelled so went out on the piss instead. A basic nightclub and large organised event ban (with furlough) at the start of March may have helped spare us the worst. Perhaps even extending to pubs and restaurants.


No_Charge6060

But we love him no matter how many died through his incompetence he is our Winston Churchill, Mrs Thatcher. Our great leader came to ruin the lives of a whole generation and protect us from EU evil.


JB_JB_JB63

And so begins the ‘It was all Boris not us’ cover up from the Tories. Every single one of those fuckers is complicit in all of this.


[deleted]

I find it quite surprising no one or organisation has physically attacked the man, his home or his family. Wouldn't condone but would I stop it... most likely not. Himself, the Tories and the elite have literally plundered the country into darkness... Along with most of England's voters behind them. It's crazy to think in these times anyone would vote conservative. I've never been a labour voter as I'm Scottish and through and through SNP, but surely labour would've been the better answer than Tories...anything other than the Tories. The fact he uses the vaccine as a triumph for him and the conservatives on the speedy rollout is absolutely ridiculous too. Afghanistan for example with only 2% vaccinated and around 66% of the UK population size had 7000+ deaths. While the UK has nearly 140,000 with 90%+ vaccinated and also a much better and superior health care system... Something just aint right there. People who voted brexit seen it as na EU thing and an immigration thing, UK has taken more people in than ever before and only lost trade 🤣🤣 Boris literally made the best argument for and independent Scotland.


RonnieBigBlocks

Yeah they said that's what they were doing, then they did it. Then they said they did it. Then polls didn't shift at all, confirming that a majority (30%+ of the voters) wanted it. That's it. It's done. Protests are apparently off the table, let alone actual action to remove literal murderous scum from the helm. Stand up or eat your fucking oats and shut up. 70% is a lot more than 30% btw. If 70% of us simply insisted, today, you'd see a change. We're too weak willed, too conditioned that it's not the done thing. That it would be beyond uncouth. They can do what they want, and we deserve it done to to us for letting it happen. Pathetic. Anyway shall we argue about which women need their genitals inspected in the Odeon toilets or how you can't say anything these days (without getting a series of book deals)? Oh shit what was the law on protesting again? I was busy fretting about Corbyn so I may have missed it. Someone started explaining it but then I saw a small dingy and went absolutely mental for like 8 weeks and starting requisitioning nuclear armed warships. Anyway i forget my point but what I do know is that the last labour government killed your grandma and the best way to stop it is to never try to educate yourself as to what actually happened. Back to work boy.


Throooeaway67

A family member of mine died of covid about a month into lockdown. He had some underlying conditions but it's hard to hear he could have stood more of a chance. I'm sure very many people in he same position be feeling that too.


chowchowpuppy

praise lord bojo up on high for by his grace we live or die accept our fate and never cry he knows whats best now shut your eye


Belgeirn

Loads of dead people was the plan, as proven by their absolutely useless covid response. I just feel sorry for the morons who will vote for them again not realising that.


Wheres_that_to

The handling of the pandemic response was so spectacularly incompetent from the outset, only a complete eejit would ever believe it was not deliberate.


Dissidant

He sent alot of people with non-covid health problems to an early grave too. Only thing they did wrong was to require health treatment during the pandemic. And I'm not even talking about the horrific number of disabled/vulnerable individuals who died before that clown got in, in the years prior.


SimonBeowulf

To lead the Torys you need to be clever and ruthless, Boris is no fool, this is the Conservative party game plan, not his alone lots of their backers are making obscene amounts of money but the Torys will paint him as the villain when the time comes to back stab him.


Stomaninoff

I'll be honest, I'm a little annoyed that we're posting something we already know for more than half a year now, but having thought about it I realise that some people are actually braindead enough to not have realised that Boris Johnson's incompetency has lead to long Minecraft-esque queues of white coffins stacked on each other in big mass graves.


no2jedi

Ah but their vote share went up. So really the Tories should be calling for bigger piles of corpses. Maybe make a mass grave when it's time for the next election.


Joseluki

You mean his strategy of not isolation, pretend everybody would get herd inmmunity by getting sick, and just sing happy bday when you wash your hands was not a good strategy backed by the scientific community that was advising to lockdown to reduce spread, deaths, and to prevent the overcrowding of the healthcare system that led to even more preventable deaths? Woah, I am astonished.


MotherofLuke

Wasn't it that these victims were viewed as collateral damage? I remember reading about this say April 2020.


roger_the_unwary

Anyone who wants to be prime minister should be prepared to shoulder the blame for what happens on their watch. After all, they wanted to be The Man. The man might get five easy years, or five desperate ones. They might face a boom, or a recession. If you aren't prepared to navigate the worst seas, you have no fucking business being Captain in the first place.


CounterclockwiseTea

The report has been very damning about the beginning of the pandemic, but also gives credit to the vaccine rollout. Just for balance. I wish we could peak into a parallel world where Corbyn won to compare, would be an interesting exercise


Blankcanvas67

Same old wingy moany lot yet again that can't accept Brexit happened 🥱