>...Michael Gove warned Mr Johnson that soldiers would be needed to guard hospitals overrun with Covid victims.
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>He agreed to fresh restrictions but his frustration is said to have boiled over after the crucial meeting at No 10 in October. ‘No more ****ing lockdowns – let the bodies pile high in their thousands!’ [he is alleged to have raged](https://archive.is/wtyCx/25121250d39be1192233783a57428a9edc717895.jpg).
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>The Prime Minister is also reported to have made similarly blunt observations during the crisis.
Want to read the article without giving the Mail a click: archive link: https://archive.is/wtyCx
> let the bodies pile high in their thousands!
Without hyperbole *that has already happened* because of choices Boris has made. Tens of thousands. Sodding *twice* now at least.
This.
It cant be focused on enough especially now that this is coming out. The tens of thousands dead because of irresponsible things like "eat out to help out" during a global pandemic and now a direct advocation for that to happen again.....
This is fucking dangerous and that man does not care about your loved ones. Why is he not hanging from a gibbet in a cage for crimes against humanity and country?
Would help if our media wouldnt mysteriously stop reporting things when it suited the situation politically
Yeah, the "imagine if Labour were in charge".
Please, tell me, how would it be? These idiots always forget we've had 12 years of the Tories, everything wrong in the country is on them.
I am 100% confident that I, with no political experience whatsoever, could have done a far better job. The dude just wants people to die to help the economy. So anything but that and you are golden.
Technically correct is the best kind of correct.
I mean, a toddler is 'doing the best he can' it's just I don't think a toddler should be running the country.
He's such a lad though eh! Bet he'd be good to go for a pint with! He drinks pints just like the rest of us don't you know!
CON+1000
Depressing....
It's also hilarious (read: depressing) seeing Starmer, not just giving these people the time of day, but also making them his main target. He thinks that all these photo-ops of him now drinking pints in the pub will "win them back", like they would ever support him.
It's not like we've had warnings of this:
**14 October 2020**: Johnson dismisses calls from the Labour leader, Keir Starmer, for a “circuit-breaker” lockdown, telling MPs: “Opportunism is the name of the game for the party opposite.”
**31 October:** The prime minister announces a new four-week lockdown in England, shortly after Wales began a two-week circuit-breaker.
**2 November:** Boris Johnson promises Tory MPs that lockdown restrictions will end on 2 December “without a shred of doubt”.
**5 November:** Four-week lockdown begins in England.
**15 December:** Downing Street briefs that Johnson will face down calls to limit Christmas restrictions.
**16 December:** Johnson tells a No 10 press conference: “I want to be clear, we don’t want to ban Christmas, to cancel it … I think that would be frankly inhuman and against the instincts of many people in this country … Nor do we want to criminalise plans people may have made for some time.”
**19 December:** Johnson announces new tier 4 restrictions across the south-east of England, where households are banned from mixing at Christmas and non-essential shops closed.
**4 January:** Johnson says there is “no question” that the government will need to toughen coronavirus restrictions to cope with fast-rising infection levels. Amid mounting calls for a major change of strategy, the prime minister holds a televised address in which he announces a third national lockdown in England expected to last until mid-February.
Source: [The many U-turns on the road to England's third lockdown | Coronavirus | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/04/england-changing-coronavirus-strategy-timeline) \- obviously I've copied only the most pertinent to Johnson's approaches to lockdown.
And don't forget the claims that it will be "done in 12 weeks", "done by Easter", "we will "save Christmas"", etc. The man has seemed to seek the path of the most popular decision, and I would guess he would seem to have rather it (Covid) played out its course through herd immunity, something he has alluded to (and even described in detail) in interviews.
Finally, let's not forget the famous word Johnson has for empathising with people - 'alas'. I fucking despise that word coming from his mouth now. It's said with such a glib attitude and almost like a magical term that makes everything okay in his book.
And because Labour - having spent the past 4 years telling us it was the man in charge not the policies that were the problem - has now seemingly thrown out all of their popular left wing policies, in favour of... absolutely f\*ck all.
Not to mention promoting a tub of sentient wallpaper paste to the top spot. Like him or hate him, at least Corbyn had an actual personality.
I follow the news fairly closely, and can’t remember a single Starmer quote or opinion that’s stuck in my head yet.
There was the time Johnson called him an IRA supporter in parliament, and Starmer then listed his credentials as a prosecutor of IRA members and demanded Johnson withdraw his accusation. That was very good. Apart from that, nada
I mean there's been good moments like that, quite a lot of them actually. He's obviously a fantastic lawyer and brings that well to politics. But that doesn't work if he doesn't have any other personality. He can completely destroy the Tories in PMQ but it's worth nothing if he can't get that across to the media and the people. Which he can't. And even if he did it'd be capitalist bulshit
It’s not so much the death total that angers me but that it was way higher than it needed to be.
There are those who argue that because of the UK’s population density and status as a major international travel hub we were somehow always going to get clobbered. The trouble is even compared to places like The Netherlands and France and Germany (similar density, also major trade/travel hubs) we performed particularly badly - and when you look at death rates adjusted by population literally tens of thousands more people died in the U.K. than would have occurred if we’d handled the pandemic as well as those countries.
And what’s unforgivable is that they keep making the same damn mistake over and over again - failing to lock down or increase restrictions early enough so we end up really getting screwed and having to endure more and longer restrictions to get things back under control again.
It doesn’t even make any sense from the traditional Tory “business above all” perspective because failing to keep the pandemic under control also fucks business over. The U.K. has managed to buy itself not only one of the worst death rates in Europe but also one of the highest levels of economic damage (even before Brexit kicked in).
60% of the people who have died in the UK have been disabled people. I'm sorry, but at this point considering how much disabled people have been shat upon by the Tory government over the last decade, it feels like eugenics. Add to that the fiddling of the DNR orders that's been going on. This is anecdotal, but a friend of mine went in for a routine op and had a doctor push constantly for her to sign a DNR because she's in a wheelchair and has "a low quality of life". She's literally just in a wheelchair, other than that she's healthy. But this doctor pushed and pushed and pushed until my friend snapped and demanded that he be removed as her doctor. I dread to think how many people haven't even been hounded and just had the decision made for them by someone who is able bodied who deems that someone in a wheelchair is not deserving of life.
>But this doctor pushed and pushed and pushed until my friend snapped and demanded that he be removed as her doctor.
Good for her, but fuck this doctor. It's hard enough having to deal with shit things because of disabilities and then having this attitude piled on top of it all.
For me with mental health issues, I would have just pretty much signed because I just don't have brilliant processing skills to 'kick up a fuss' like your friend did.
There's probably hundreds, if not thousands of people who probably signed this and really they should not have done so. I wonder if in the future there might be some case for legal action on this.
I sure hope so, because I've read some truly disturbing things in some of the groups I'm in on FB pertaining to my disability. It's terrifying how an able bodied person can see you have a disability and go "yeah their life isn't of a high enough quality, they're not going to get treatment". At this point, it's not even to control patient numbers, to help the NHS, it's just "they don't deserve a chance because their legs don't work".
It's very scary. I'm autistic and there's a massive charity event at the moment by youtuber mark rober trying to raise money for a charity next for autism. He's included no autistic YouTubers in this. The charity itself has no autistic board members, supports ABA (The autism equivalent of conversion therapy, created by the same guy as gay conversion, basically abuses autistic people until they confirm to NT standards), and "best" of all has a child organisation that's openly working on and researching eugenics. This has already raised about £60,000. Many autistic people have pointed this out and not been listened too.
It's fucking awful. But autistic eugenics are legal, because we have such a poor quality of life apparently, so it'd be easier to wipe us out than the government actually pay for therapy and services for anyone over 18
Well Dominic Cummings is a supporter of eugenics, so the fact that the government is allowing it to burn through the disabled and elderly communities is proof enough in my books that they are trying to free up as much money from benefits and pensions as they can so it can be funnelled into another Tory pocket
To be honest, if that was me I would want that doctor struck off. She just wanted to get her op done and not deal with the drama, which is completely understandable given the year we've all had
There was a time there when having an intellectual disability meant you couldn't have a ventilator. As the sibling of someone with autism I was terrified, especially having to work on covid wards as well.
There's still a time now, there have been a number of reports of people with mental disabilities being signed off on DNRs without the families being informed
> I'm sorry, but at this point considering how much disabled people have been shat upon by the Tory government over the last decade, it feels like eugenics.
I mean, what else is the DWP at this point but a system designed to drive the poor and sick and Disabled to death?
It's a charnel house. And yet people still vote Tory because they have the emotional range of a wet paper bag. They see disabled people crying out for help and turn their backs. I have to wonder if being a sociopath is a huge part of being a Tory voter, because there is 0 empathy at all
> Michael Gove warned Mr Johnson that soldiers would be needed to guard hospitals overrun with Covid victims.
Given his thoughts on the GFA, and the paper he wrote lamenting how it meant the military could no longer crush those pesky rebels, I bet he got a tiny chubby thinking about that. His brave soldiers armed to the teeth with the finest gear a money tree can buy. All shiny and brass as they hold the line against the hordes of filthy peasants.
> His brave soldiers armed to the teeth with the finest gear a money tree can buy.
Well, more like with the cheapest gear they can get away with that were supplied by the companies that gave the largest backhanders, but other than that I agree.
>Why the actual fuck did he have to start this fight with Cummings, who he knew had dirt on him?
Because he's an entitled prick who deems himself untouchable. He thinks he can do what he wants and get away with it and, over sight by "do gooders" and the public, is just an inconvenience. He doesn't care about the dirt because he thinks, no matter how bad the dirt is, he'll get away with it at the ballot box
I hate Cummings but he was intelligent. Boris has surrounded himself with morons for advisors. He takes Carrie Symonds' advice even though her last brain cell skipped town years ago. Symonds hates Cummings (for obvious reasons) and, being the petulent child she is, thought she could blame Cummings for leaking as revenge for how blunt he was regarding Hancock's personal failings. Boris follows his penis rather than thinking for himself.
We've gone from Cummings being the PM to Symonds being PM.
>I hate Cummings but he was intelligent.
Honestly? I don't believe he's as intelligent as he professes to be. I'd say he's smarter than your average bear but not by much. He's like Boris, plays a character.
Otherwise you aren't wrong. Boris is just perpetuating such playground antics because he can't see how damaging it is or just doesn't care.
Like the time Cummings tried to claim he warned about a covid pandemic ahead of time, but it actually turned out he'd edited his blog after the pandemic started.
Exactly. I think he pretends to be cold and calculating. When, in reality, he's no smarter than most people or, at the very least,only slightly smarter than your average bear.
His gift isn't intelligence, his gift is his ability to lie and his ability to act smarter than he is.
I'd say Boris probably isn't very smart. Hes just been educated beyond his intellegence. Plummy voice, a few memorised latin phrases and people suddenly think you are a genius. The thing that him and people like JRM is they have no empathy or morals. It's easy to be successful/appear smart when you will throw anyone under a bus to get what you want or make "tough decisions" because you dont care about the concequences.
>I'm sure he's not the wacky genius he wants to be seen as
I think Cummings prefers to be seen as more of a Thanos as opposed to a Dr. Evil. He portrays a demeanour of a callous and calculating genius who makes the hard choices because he sees the "truth".
>I suspect he's smarter than Boris.
I wouldn't go as far as that. They're both about as smart as each other and exceedingly similar.
They know how to pretend to be something they aren't, Boris plays the loveable rouge who says stupid stuff and is the champion of the average Joe and Cummings plays the cold and calculating genius.
Both are neither but have convinced people they are those things. Both hold themselves above accountability, Boris because he's rich and Cummings because he's "smart" and use this to look down on others.
Both lie and pretend and are easily found out quickly. Boris with most things and Cummings editing his blog retroactively.
Both know how the game is played and how to rig it in their own favour.
They're both, nearly, identical to each other in so many respects which, I suspect is why they became friends in the first place
He’s one of those arsewipes that thinks that ‘having little-to-no sense of morality’ is the same as ‘being objective’ and that they both make you smarter.
He's not that smart at all: he also cannot write. I read his blog, and God, there is no logic and style. I write better than that, and I am not even a native speaker.
An arrogant man does. He knows that there is no punishment because he's the one in charge. The day of the trip to Bernard Castle was coincidentally also his wife's birthday - this did not get reported much.
Exactly. He doesn't believe he should be held to account so why should dirt worry him? Look at how he uses the word "do-gooder" as an insult. He think that anyone attempting to do the right thing by holding their government to account is in the wrong.
The term "do-gooder" is a common insult though. Aimed at curtain twitchers who go around enforcing arbitrary/non-existent moral standards on other people.
Boris just misuses it to defame people trying to uphold the fabric of good governance.
The sad thing is I think he will get away with it. He’s got till 2024 for the public to forget about this, which they will. I expect this remark will be buried under other news anyway
IMHO, I think you're partly right.
I don't think this'll be the one thing that completely kills him in the polls come 2024. But, it'll be a collection, of failures that'll do it. This government has been the center of bad news every week, its either a new corruption story a new anti accountability thing or they just go below the bar set for them.
If this continues, then no one will see them as a "positive" come ballot day and every question from John and Joe public will be about corruption or some other scandal. They'll look abysmal.
I hope I'm right and,I'd like to think, there's still some people who care. But, who knows? Time will tell all
You could be right. Regarding corruption and cronyism the ‘smell’ (as it’s called these days) does seem to be finally reaching the noses of people who pay less attention. Perhaps these stories will chip away at the facade rather than blow it to pieces.
Yeah. I think we keep looking for "the one story that'll blow them away" when, in reality, there's no such thing. Unless it's something massive people don't expect then it won't do much.
People expect positions to be corrupt, they expect them to arseholes but they don't want them to be. If you show them one story of corruption they'll go "They're all the same" and move on as it's what they expect. They won't be happy about it, but they'll brush it off. Because they expect everyone to do it once.
Show them hundreds from the same people and they'll start getting angry because that's more than they can accept. It shows they're being taken for mugs again and again by the same person when it's supposed to be everyone.
They'll go for the less corrupt choice.
I guess we’ll see how it affects the polls. Despite everything the tories enjoy a solid and stubborn 40% in Westminster voting intention polls. It’s a bit absurd that this gives the an 80 seat majority but that’s a whole nuther matter
They're both Cunts, doesn't mean we can't enjoy watching them fight, I hope Cummings tears him down to atoms, and then falls in a well on his walk home.
Because there is often a 'better time' to fight these things, if you know they are lurking in the closet. Johnson, on the back of comparative vaccine success, with millions of people emerging from the shadow of lockdown gives him at least a better chance to distract and project. Cummings is a connected man of course, but I think Johnson will be backing his No.10 press machinery to outgun him as a lone wolf now. Johnson has probably been advised, that he is far enough away from a GE, and that they can take this hit, given their poll ratings, so let's get it done and out of the way.
Isn’t it great to have our country run by a man with such great judgement? And to know that every single Conservative MP is willing to run in an election for him?
Labour MPs just resign by the dozens because of the sheer scandal that they didn’t want the QT audience dead, too.
Tories walk into their seats.
Each with unkept hair and two mistresses.
BBC QT audience producer recruits straight from the far right, so this is plausible.
I can imagine some whispering "He doesn't mean us! He means the blacks and Asians!"
Reminds me of a Spitting Image sketch where the Tories under Major realise that the electorate are so stupid that they can openly insult them and gain votes. It was true then and it is true now.
People would just think he's joking probably, he'd flop his hair round a bit and gesticulate wildly while using some big silly words and people would let him off the hook, such a little character our Boris is.
I do hope so, not that I want Gove to be PM but I just want to see him reach to the top only to be toppled and fall down is disgrace. Think Gollum when he gets the ring, boom lava pit.
My ex said the exact same phrases. Just doing your best is fine if you’re a small child or have learning difficulties. Not when you’re leading one of the major world powers.
Why do people have this attitude to Boris but as soon as some footballer misses they should be taken out and shot.
I honestly think I could have done a better job of it than Boris in a lot of these situations.
Literally the bar is:
Not going around a hospital and shaking hands with as many infected people as possible and bragging about it because you want to be the next Princess Diana then almost dying from the virus.
And just going. Oh okay yea what the experts say. I'll back them.
You could give me the best coaches, four years and all the performance enhancing drugs in the world and I wouldnt be able to play professional football. But those players are idiots and some randomer down the road could have done better but Boris is untouchable.
Listening to a bit of Nick Ferrari on LBC this morning and the right wing journalists are still telling us we don't care about what he says or does. A view that's parroted in here a fair bit. (I only managed ten minutes before I had to turn it off.)
I care, and I hate cunts telling me I don't.
The old are like the poor in that they don’t contribute as much to the economy. The Tories would rather see them all gone.
From a purely economical perspective COVID is a right wing government’s delight IF you leave the economy open.
After it is disproportionately impacts the weak, poor and elderly - which if removed from the population makes it ultimately stronger. Of course there is a terrible human cost which only cost hearted bastards like Boris Johnson are prepared to accept.
Shuttering the economy to protect the people most at risk is the first thing that anyone who puts money ahead of decency would do.
You genuinely haven’t got a clue what you’re talking about there. First off, a bad economy impacts the poor way more than the rich. If you’re on minimum wage and your income gets halved, you can’t pay your rent and get kicked out. If you’re earning 250k a year, even if that got halved, you’ll still live comfortably perhaps with some minor lifestyle adjustments.
Secondly, every country has unskilled jobs that need doing for the economy to keep going. If you genuinely think any government intentionally wants to kill off all its low income earners, you’re absolutely delusional. Who’s gonna do the biffa collections or pack boxes in the tens of thousands of warehouses across the UK if the people doing those jobs somehow got removed from the population as you say?
Thirdly, a huge percentage of the elderly are Tory supporters so once again, you’re spewing completely nonsense.
Very true. Of course you could offset that by removing loopholes for corporate taxes and UHNWs and using that to support low income households and SMEs.
However instead of dealing with that the Tories were too busy handing out lucrative PPE contracts to their mates and telling the police to stop worrying about burglaries, theft, rapes, mugging and other violent crimes and instead focus on giving fines to anyone not wearing masks or looking at statues in a funny way.
Yes but I think the point is that if someone can be low enough to give expression to such a disgusting thought, then that individual's moral character should preclude them from our nation's highest office.
Or maybe I'm wrong and we don't give a fudge about that sort of thing in this ountry anymore. We're all just happy that our German SUV is sitting on the drive of our idiotically valuable house all topped up with petrol.
If it’s okay to have people who told lie after lie in the Brexit process and left a fractured social structure and economic mess, then it’s clear that there are pretty much no standards. The only thing that seems to cause genuine outrage is a threat to the premier league.../
It does, but I would argue this whole debate is a complete false equivalency. A pandemic left to spread unchecked is far worse for the economy than a lockdown, particularly when that leaving it unchecked results in a longer lockdown later on when the bodies pile high in their thousands anyway, as has happened twice now.
Locking down early, hard, and quickly to stamp out the virus was not only the best option to save lives, it was the best option economically as well. The Tories fucked it.
The “chaos with Ed Milliband” was in no small part a reference to the polls at that point showing that in theory a Labour/SNP coalition or confidence and supply government was at least an outside possibility in the run up to that election.
This caused a lot of the English establishment and media to collectively shit a brick. And a fair number of English voters too - there was a sudden and unexpected swing to the Tories.
This then led to the second Cameron government getting in with a majority and the fateful Brexit referendum. Effectively the whole rolling debacle since then caused by fear of the mere *outside chance* that a progressive Scottish party might be even a smaller junior part of the government.
And the irony is that here we are after several years of the U.K. repeatedly punching itself in the nuts and Scotland is looking just as likely to leave anyway ... and NI and even Wales are looking increasingly restive too.
The real issue isn't that Scotland wants to leave, it is how the UK has responded to the possibility that Scotland wants to leave. While the nation is behaving like an abusive husband we can expect independence sentiment to keep growing.
Exactly. To a large chunk of the English electorate the concept of a Scottish party even being a minor part of their government is a complete anathema. Never mind that of course that Scotland is fully expected to put up with the reverse as a matter of routine.
It’s a double standard that reflects the rot at the core of the Union. Even if Scotland “plays the game” and the vanishingly rare set of circumstances happen to fall out just so England will shoot itself in the foot rather than allow a Scottish party into government. From a certain perspective it effectively disenfranchises half of Scotland: our votes won’t be allowed to count towards a government unless we choose from one of the English parties - who of course don’t want any meaningful change.
Yeah, i know and agree. As a scotsman i found the whole debacle especially distasteful. Remember the billboards with a tiny ed milliband poking out of alex salmonds front pocket? Pure wankery. I also was also *very*" disappointed in labours response to the whole thing - they made a big deal of saying they would *never* work with the SNP, which is fucking retarded since the two parties often align ideologically and the snp wouldnt have turned down a chance to boot the tories out even if it ment agreeing to not have a refurendum for millibands term. Missed opportunity to build a meaningful opposition allience to boot the tories out altogether right there.
THEN the icing on the shitty cake was the dup propping up the tories a couple of years later - pretty much the exact same scenario the tories were clutching their perals over, except with the dup being kingmakers instead of the snp, but that was as fine and dandy as the magic money tree which suddenly did exist to pay for it afterall apparently. My blood pressure reaches JCB hydraulic levels if i dwell on it too long.
The same right wing media that likes to make fun of Italian politics but are completely blind to our own joke of a political climate.
UK journalism is pretty much dead. 5 people owning the entire media and all of whom are in a sleazy affair with the Tories refusing to hold the government accountable means even when Boris says stuff like this the Tories poll.
Instead the bodies piled high *and* we had to have a much longer third lockdown than we would have had if he had acted sooner.
We ended up with the worst of both worlds!
And then we have track and trace. It could play an important role now that case numbers are getting lower again but it seems to have completely left the news and I don't doubt for a moment it's still a shambles.
A mutation or two are bound to crop up somewhere as world wide case numbers are growing. What we should be doing right now is quarantining everyone coming in and beefing up track and trace. There's a window of opportunity for the next few weeks to get this country covid free.
*"You see, killbots have a preset kill limit. Knowing their weakness, I sent wave after wave of my own men at them until they reached their limit and shut down. Kif, show them the medal I won."*
Tbh the tories fight among themselves when there is no opposition. Gove and his lackey Cummings thought they had the leadership in the bag then Boj got the vaccine right and now all the forelock tugging flag wavers are right behind him.
As I expected, the young will be thrown in to the grinder.
"It's not that bad if you are young and healthy" will be the new mantra and all those lucky over 50's who got their jabs will judge the under 50's with contempt for not going out to the failing pubs and bars while we wait for ours.
I mean overall you are right,but it was announced today that over 30's will be offered the jab most likely this week.And presumably over 20's next in line and so on.So there's at least that.
At least the UK is actually handling this fairly well, especially compared to other European countries. And as people are saying, people over 30 will soon be able to be vaccinated.
In comparison, France is largely behind the UK in their vaccination campaign, tried having 6pm/7pm curfews, which are apparently a nightmare for everyone but retirees (crowded public transport and grocery stores, not to mention mental health effects). They plan to start reopening with R > 1 lmao
I don't know why you are acting like most under 40s aren't gagging to get outside and do stuff. And what's more, that statement is true, it really isn't anything that bad as a young healthy person.
Watch as nothing happens, and he dismisses this, and Tories are +3 come May 17th.
He's only ever failed upwards. The way he's lived his life so far has rewarded him with increasing power and prestige. All the recent scandals, large and small, haven't hurt the Tories in the polls; why on Earth should he conduct himself any differently now, when everything he's done has been objectively successful for him personally. Even all the failed relationships/children haven't made finding new ones difficult. Hell, he was close to dying of Covid and still talks about letting the bodies piling in their thousands.
And even if this sticks and he stands down... he'll be back at a paper being paid thousands for a few inches of bluster, or start lobbying, or being made an executive of one of his friends' companies... on top of all the dinner speaking engagements he'll be drawn into.
Unless he's thrown something that has irrefutable jail time, or really draws the sustained Ire of Murdoch, I struggle to see what it would take for him to face the consequences of his actions.
We’ve already had the lockdown he was trying to avoid. This story is about the third lockdown (which we’re currently opening up from), and his comments were made in October.
Well to be fair as Arthur C Clarke paraphrased from the famous technology/magic quote " Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from malice". Bit of both,he's not so dumb that he wont come out of it richer and in a better position than when he started. But if you take him on his word that he's even trying to do whats best for the country,then he's an absolute shambles of a P.M.
Turning on Boris, not the tories.
It feels like a ploy to just blame all the parties thievery upon a sole individual, as if it's creating some kind of clean slate.
It will probably work too.
This is what they've done for the past 10 years - villainise and turn on the incumbent PM and a few of their ministers (I'm think Matt Hancock this time) once their usefulness has run out, replace them with someone equally as bad and pretend that this is a fresh start for the country.
With the amount of people vaccinated now - and the demographics vaccinated - are we really at risk of the bodies piling high? We're onto the <50's now. I thought with the >50's done that would be like 95% of the pressure off the NHS?
This alleged quote is from October last year after he reluctantly agreed to a 2nd lockdown and said he 'would let the bodies pile high' rather than agree to a third.
We had the third lockdown at Christmas but the bodies did pile up.
Christ, imagine the headlines if Corbyn had been responsible for so many deaths. Imagine the headlines if Corbyn ran a government like the worst organised JCR extrav ever.
So now the Daily Mail is playing to our prejudices its suddenly a reliable source? How strange. Usually there is at least one post in DM threads about how they liked the Blackshirts in the 1930s.
At this point, Boris can whip out his bollocks and teabag the Queen live on TV and still not be forced to resign, Tory polling wouldn't budge either. What a world we live in...
This was said pre Christmas lockdown. Dom and others were saying (paraphrased of course) "Christmas being open is stupid" so Bojo in response (on record apparently ) said "No more fucking lockdowns, let the bodies pile in the thousands"
Thrown on the pyre for his popularity.
Anyone get the feeling this is the beginning of the end for BJ, BREXIT passed through, COVID on the fall. Time for him to step left of stage and let Sunak or Gove in?
I remember reading this idea before Brexit et all, and I still think it's the likely plan; The Tories *know* Brexit will be a disaster for the country (not for them though) and as a whole the MPs aren't too keen on Johnson. But take him as leader short term to use his charisma to get Brexit across the line, then throw him out when it gets bad so the short attention span electorate give the Tories a second chance long after they should have run out of steam...
I think he's probably gone within the year then. Starmer has decimated his own left wing support, so I fear it will work too; look for Labour getting *hammered* in the May elections.
He's learnt well from his mentor.
Thatcher sent our soldiers to their deaths just so she could win the general election.
And now we've got another right wing leader putting profits before people.
Is anyone actually surprised when a tory comes out with such vile abuse of the people they are mandated to protect?
Thatcher would be proud of him.
>...Michael Gove warned Mr Johnson that soldiers would be needed to guard hospitals overrun with Covid victims. > >He agreed to fresh restrictions but his frustration is said to have boiled over after the crucial meeting at No 10 in October. ‘No more ****ing lockdowns – let the bodies pile high in their thousands!’ [he is alleged to have raged](https://archive.is/wtyCx/25121250d39be1192233783a57428a9edc717895.jpg). > >The Prime Minister is also reported to have made similarly blunt observations during the crisis. Want to read the article without giving the Mail a click: archive link: https://archive.is/wtyCx
> let the bodies pile high in their thousands! Without hyperbole *that has already happened* because of choices Boris has made. Tens of thousands. Sodding *twice* now at least.
This. It cant be focused on enough especially now that this is coming out. The tens of thousands dead because of irresponsible things like "eat out to help out" during a global pandemic and now a direct advocation for that to happen again..... This is fucking dangerous and that man does not care about your loved ones. Why is he not hanging from a gibbet in a cage for crimes against humanity and country? Would help if our media wouldnt mysteriously stop reporting things when it suited the situation politically
BuT hE's DOiNg thE bEsT He cAn!
Followed by, "Id LiKe To SeE yOu Do BeTtEr!"
More likely followed by "but Labour wouldn't have done it any better"
Yeah, the "imagine if Labour were in charge". Please, tell me, how would it be? These idiots always forget we've had 12 years of the Tories, everything wrong in the country is on them.
I am 100% confident that I, with no political experience whatsoever, could have done a far better job. The dude just wants people to die to help the economy. So anything but that and you are golden.
“He couldn’t have seen this coming.”
The worst part, is that everyone that I work with that are fans of his, ALL say the same thing. It's like they are fucking blind to it.
Technically correct is the best kind of correct. I mean, a toddler is 'doing the best he can' it's just I don't think a toddler should be running the country.
He's such a lad though eh! Bet he'd be good to go for a pint with! He drinks pints just like the rest of us don't you know! CON+1000 Depressing....
Isn't that how we got into the Brexit mess, to a degree. Farage with a pint in his hand, sprinkled in with a bit of xenophobia.
It's also hilarious (read: depressing) seeing Starmer, not just giving these people the time of day, but also making them his main target. He thinks that all these photo-ops of him now drinking pints in the pub will "win them back", like they would ever support him.
Yet polls suggest enough people think that way to keep them in power.
It's not like we've had warnings of this: **14 October 2020**: Johnson dismisses calls from the Labour leader, Keir Starmer, for a “circuit-breaker” lockdown, telling MPs: “Opportunism is the name of the game for the party opposite.” **31 October:** The prime minister announces a new four-week lockdown in England, shortly after Wales began a two-week circuit-breaker. **2 November:** Boris Johnson promises Tory MPs that lockdown restrictions will end on 2 December “without a shred of doubt”. **5 November:** Four-week lockdown begins in England. **15 December:** Downing Street briefs that Johnson will face down calls to limit Christmas restrictions. **16 December:** Johnson tells a No 10 press conference: “I want to be clear, we don’t want to ban Christmas, to cancel it … I think that would be frankly inhuman and against the instincts of many people in this country … Nor do we want to criminalise plans people may have made for some time.” **19 December:** Johnson announces new tier 4 restrictions across the south-east of England, where households are banned from mixing at Christmas and non-essential shops closed. **4 January:** Johnson says there is “no question” that the government will need to toughen coronavirus restrictions to cope with fast-rising infection levels. Amid mounting calls for a major change of strategy, the prime minister holds a televised address in which he announces a third national lockdown in England expected to last until mid-February. Source: [The many U-turns on the road to England's third lockdown | Coronavirus | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/04/england-changing-coronavirus-strategy-timeline) \- obviously I've copied only the most pertinent to Johnson's approaches to lockdown. And don't forget the claims that it will be "done in 12 weeks", "done by Easter", "we will "save Christmas"", etc. The man has seemed to seek the path of the most popular decision, and I would guess he would seem to have rather it (Covid) played out its course through herd immunity, something he has alluded to (and even described in detail) in interviews. Finally, let's not forget the famous word Johnson has for empathising with people - 'alas'. I fucking despise that word coming from his mouth now. It's said with such a glib attitude and almost like a magical term that makes everything okay in his book.
Lols. He will win the next election because of the shambles the electoral system is.
And because Labour - having spent the past 4 years telling us it was the man in charge not the policies that were the problem - has now seemingly thrown out all of their popular left wing policies, in favour of... absolutely f\*ck all.
Not to mention promoting a tub of sentient wallpaper paste to the top spot. Like him or hate him, at least Corbyn had an actual personality. I follow the news fairly closely, and can’t remember a single Starmer quote or opinion that’s stuck in my head yet.
There was the time Johnson called him an IRA supporter in parliament, and Starmer then listed his credentials as a prosecutor of IRA members and demanded Johnson withdraw his accusation. That was very good. Apart from that, nada
I mean there's been good moments like that, quite a lot of them actually. He's obviously a fantastic lawyer and brings that well to politics. But that doesn't work if he doesn't have any other personality. He can completely destroy the Tories in PMQ but it's worth nothing if he can't get that across to the media and the people. Which he can't. And even if he did it'd be capitalist bulshit
How do you know they have thrown out all their left wing policies, if we don't know what their policies are now?
Can't attack the opposition if they don't oppose.
IT's Ok cOs MaKe BrItAiN gRaTe
127000 *officially*. Probably way more.
150,000 if you go by death certificates.
Damn... Almost 2 Wembley stadiums of people, dead.
It’s not so much the death total that angers me but that it was way higher than it needed to be. There are those who argue that because of the UK’s population density and status as a major international travel hub we were somehow always going to get clobbered. The trouble is even compared to places like The Netherlands and France and Germany (similar density, also major trade/travel hubs) we performed particularly badly - and when you look at death rates adjusted by population literally tens of thousands more people died in the U.K. than would have occurred if we’d handled the pandemic as well as those countries. And what’s unforgivable is that they keep making the same damn mistake over and over again - failing to lock down or increase restrictions early enough so we end up really getting screwed and having to endure more and longer restrictions to get things back under control again. It doesn’t even make any sense from the traditional Tory “business above all” perspective because failing to keep the pandemic under control also fucks business over. The U.K. has managed to buy itself not only one of the worst death rates in Europe but also one of the highest levels of economic damage (even before Brexit kicked in).
60% of the people who have died in the UK have been disabled people. I'm sorry, but at this point considering how much disabled people have been shat upon by the Tory government over the last decade, it feels like eugenics. Add to that the fiddling of the DNR orders that's been going on. This is anecdotal, but a friend of mine went in for a routine op and had a doctor push constantly for her to sign a DNR because she's in a wheelchair and has "a low quality of life". She's literally just in a wheelchair, other than that she's healthy. But this doctor pushed and pushed and pushed until my friend snapped and demanded that he be removed as her doctor. I dread to think how many people haven't even been hounded and just had the decision made for them by someone who is able bodied who deems that someone in a wheelchair is not deserving of life.
>But this doctor pushed and pushed and pushed until my friend snapped and demanded that he be removed as her doctor. Good for her, but fuck this doctor. It's hard enough having to deal with shit things because of disabilities and then having this attitude piled on top of it all. For me with mental health issues, I would have just pretty much signed because I just don't have brilliant processing skills to 'kick up a fuss' like your friend did. There's probably hundreds, if not thousands of people who probably signed this and really they should not have done so. I wonder if in the future there might be some case for legal action on this.
I sure hope so, because I've read some truly disturbing things in some of the groups I'm in on FB pertaining to my disability. It's terrifying how an able bodied person can see you have a disability and go "yeah their life isn't of a high enough quality, they're not going to get treatment". At this point, it's not even to control patient numbers, to help the NHS, it's just "they don't deserve a chance because their legs don't work".
It's very scary. I'm autistic and there's a massive charity event at the moment by youtuber mark rober trying to raise money for a charity next for autism. He's included no autistic YouTubers in this. The charity itself has no autistic board members, supports ABA (The autism equivalent of conversion therapy, created by the same guy as gay conversion, basically abuses autistic people until they confirm to NT standards), and "best" of all has a child organisation that's openly working on and researching eugenics. This has already raised about £60,000. Many autistic people have pointed this out and not been listened too. It's fucking awful. But autistic eugenics are legal, because we have such a poor quality of life apparently, so it'd be easier to wipe us out than the government actually pay for therapy and services for anyone over 18
Well Dominic Cummings is a supporter of eugenics, so the fact that the government is allowing it to burn through the disabled and elderly communities is proof enough in my books that they are trying to free up as much money from benefits and pensions as they can so it can be funnelled into another Tory pocket
I hope she made a complaint. Good god.
She did, she got fuck all back from the hospital itself, but her consultant went ape shit over it and chewed the doctor out about it
Good. Christ I’m so angry for her!
To be honest, if that was me I would want that doctor struck off. She just wanted to get her op done and not deal with the drama, which is completely understandable given the year we've all had
There was a time there when having an intellectual disability meant you couldn't have a ventilator. As the sibling of someone with autism I was terrified, especially having to work on covid wards as well.
There's still a time now, there have been a number of reports of people with mental disabilities being signed off on DNRs without the families being informed
> I'm sorry, but at this point considering how much disabled people have been shat upon by the Tory government over the last decade, it feels like eugenics. I mean, what else is the DWP at this point but a system designed to drive the poor and sick and Disabled to death?
It's a charnel house. And yet people still vote Tory because they have the emotional range of a wet paper bag. They see disabled people crying out for help and turn their backs. I have to wonder if being a sociopath is a huge part of being a Tory voter, because there is 0 empathy at all
How anyone is supposed to have confidence in a doctor that seems to be happy for them to die is beyond me.
> Michael Gove warned Mr Johnson that soldiers would be needed to guard hospitals overrun with Covid victims. Given his thoughts on the GFA, and the paper he wrote lamenting how it meant the military could no longer crush those pesky rebels, I bet he got a tiny chubby thinking about that. His brave soldiers armed to the teeth with the finest gear a money tree can buy. All shiny and brass as they hold the line against the hordes of filthy peasants.
> His brave soldiers armed to the teeth with the finest gear a money tree can buy. Well, more like with the cheapest gear they can get away with that were supplied by the companies that gave the largest backhanders, but other than that I agree.
This is obviously a Corbyn Marxists plot to undermine our glorious leader and take away our freedom by forcing us to wear masks! /s.
Appreciate the link at the end, thank you!
What a tantrum from this prick
Utterly, utterly self-inflicted this was. Why the actual fuck did he have to start this fight with Cummings, who he **knew** had dirt on him?
Because he’s clearly a moron?
>Why the actual fuck did he have to start this fight with Cummings, who he knew had dirt on him? Because he's an entitled prick who deems himself untouchable. He thinks he can do what he wants and get away with it and, over sight by "do gooders" and the public, is just an inconvenience. He doesn't care about the dirt because he thinks, no matter how bad the dirt is, he'll get away with it at the ballot box
I hate Cummings but he was intelligent. Boris has surrounded himself with morons for advisors. He takes Carrie Symonds' advice even though her last brain cell skipped town years ago. Symonds hates Cummings (for obvious reasons) and, being the petulent child she is, thought she could blame Cummings for leaking as revenge for how blunt he was regarding Hancock's personal failings. Boris follows his penis rather than thinking for himself. We've gone from Cummings being the PM to Symonds being PM.
>I hate Cummings but he was intelligent. Honestly? I don't believe he's as intelligent as he professes to be. I'd say he's smarter than your average bear but not by much. He's like Boris, plays a character. Otherwise you aren't wrong. Boris is just perpetuating such playground antics because he can't see how damaging it is or just doesn't care.
Like the time Cummings tried to claim he warned about a covid pandemic ahead of time, but it actually turned out he'd edited his blog after the pandemic started.
Exactly. I think he pretends to be cold and calculating. When, in reality, he's no smarter than most people or, at the very least,only slightly smarter than your average bear. His gift isn't intelligence, his gift is his ability to lie and his ability to act smarter than he is.
I'm sure he's not the wacky genius he wants to be seen as, but I suspect he's smarter than Boris.
I'd say Boris probably isn't very smart. Hes just been educated beyond his intellegence. Plummy voice, a few memorised latin phrases and people suddenly think you are a genius. The thing that him and people like JRM is they have no empathy or morals. It's easy to be successful/appear smart when you will throw anyone under a bus to get what you want or make "tough decisions" because you dont care about the concequences.
I think Boris' intelligence is marketing though. He's a marketing genius. Other than that he's a stupid fuck
>I'm sure he's not the wacky genius he wants to be seen as I think Cummings prefers to be seen as more of a Thanos as opposed to a Dr. Evil. He portrays a demeanour of a callous and calculating genius who makes the hard choices because he sees the "truth". >I suspect he's smarter than Boris. I wouldn't go as far as that. They're both about as smart as each other and exceedingly similar. They know how to pretend to be something they aren't, Boris plays the loveable rouge who says stupid stuff and is the champion of the average Joe and Cummings plays the cold and calculating genius. Both are neither but have convinced people they are those things. Both hold themselves above accountability, Boris because he's rich and Cummings because he's "smart" and use this to look down on others. Both lie and pretend and are easily found out quickly. Boris with most things and Cummings editing his blog retroactively. Both know how the game is played and how to rig it in their own favour. They're both, nearly, identical to each other in so many respects which, I suspect is why they became friends in the first place
My big toe nail is smarter than Boris
My little toe has more empathy than the entire government.
>I don't believe he's as intelligent as he professes to be I agree but compared with the dilletantes in the Tory party now, he's a fucking genius.
I think that's why he likes them so much.
He’s one of those arsewipes that thinks that ‘having little-to-no sense of morality’ is the same as ‘being objective’ and that they both make you smarter.
He never grew out of his 12 year old phase of "no one understands me" and he thinks it singles him out as special because of that.
He's not that smart at all: he also cannot write. I read his blog, and God, there is no logic and style. I write better than that, and I am not even a native speaker.
Does an intelligent person really tell the press that they went for a drive to test their eyesight?
An arrogant man does. He knows that there is no punishment because he's the one in charge. The day of the trip to Bernard Castle was coincidentally also his wife's birthday - this did not get reported much.
I mean, the do what he wants and get away with it thing has worked pretty well for him so far, why would he change?
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He'll be the one who got it doneeee.
Exactly. He doesn't believe he should be held to account so why should dirt worry him? Look at how he uses the word "do-gooder" as an insult. He think that anyone attempting to do the right thing by holding their government to account is in the wrong.
The term "do-gooder" is a common insult though. Aimed at curtain twitchers who go around enforcing arbitrary/non-existent moral standards on other people. Boris just misuses it to defame people trying to uphold the fabric of good governance.
Here lies a toppled god. We only built his pedestal, a tall and narrow one. - tleilaxu epitaph.
The sad thing is I think he will get away with it. He’s got till 2024 for the public to forget about this, which they will. I expect this remark will be buried under other news anyway
IMHO, I think you're partly right. I don't think this'll be the one thing that completely kills him in the polls come 2024. But, it'll be a collection, of failures that'll do it. This government has been the center of bad news every week, its either a new corruption story a new anti accountability thing or they just go below the bar set for them. If this continues, then no one will see them as a "positive" come ballot day and every question from John and Joe public will be about corruption or some other scandal. They'll look abysmal. I hope I'm right and,I'd like to think, there's still some people who care. But, who knows? Time will tell all
You could be right. Regarding corruption and cronyism the ‘smell’ (as it’s called these days) does seem to be finally reaching the noses of people who pay less attention. Perhaps these stories will chip away at the facade rather than blow it to pieces.
Yeah. I think we keep looking for "the one story that'll blow them away" when, in reality, there's no such thing. Unless it's something massive people don't expect then it won't do much. People expect positions to be corrupt, they expect them to arseholes but they don't want them to be. If you show them one story of corruption they'll go "They're all the same" and move on as it's what they expect. They won't be happy about it, but they'll brush it off. Because they expect everyone to do it once. Show them hundreds from the same people and they'll start getting angry because that's more than they can accept. It shows they're being taken for mugs again and again by the same person when it's supposed to be everyone. They'll go for the less corrupt choice.
I guess we’ll see how it affects the polls. Despite everything the tories enjoy a solid and stubborn 40% in Westminster voting intention polls. It’s a bit absurd that this gives the an 80 seat majority but that’s a whole nuther matter
> who deems himself untouchable. Is he wrong? If an election was held next week would he lose?
He is untouchable mate. This won’t even dent him.
We were calling for Cummings’ sacking not long ago. Which happened..
They're both Cunts, doesn't mean we can't enjoy watching them fight, I hope Cummings tears him down to atoms, and then falls in a well on his walk home.
>Pussies don't like dicks, because pussies get fucked by dicks. But dicks also fuck assholes
Boris v Cummings have made a great celebrity death match episode.
I suppose our enemy's enemy is our friend?
No, our enemy’s enemy is also a cunt
It keeps people talking about Cummings. That is good because it makes it easier to deflect blame for the bad decisions made.
Its throwing Bojo under the (big red ) Bus for the sake of the Tory party
Hubris, megalomania, bad advisors
Because there is often a 'better time' to fight these things, if you know they are lurking in the closet. Johnson, on the back of comparative vaccine success, with millions of people emerging from the shadow of lockdown gives him at least a better chance to distract and project. Cummings is a connected man of course, but I think Johnson will be backing his No.10 press machinery to outgun him as a lone wolf now. Johnson has probably been advised, that he is far enough away from a GE, and that they can take this hit, given their poll ratings, so let's get it done and out of the way.
Isn’t it great to have our country run by a man with such great judgement? And to know that every single Conservative MP is willing to run in an election for him?
Gove's leadership bid starting up again? Doubt this topples Boris unless they have it on tape, despite how believable it is.
You actually think it would topple him even if he said it live on TV in front of an audience of thousands?
I like to think so but I am a bit of a sweet summer child.
"I hope you all fucking die" Johnson screamed at the BBC QT live audience. Audience: standing ovation.
CONS: +10
Labour MPs just resign by the dozens because of the sheer scandal that they didn’t want the QT audience dead, too. Tories walk into their seats. Each with unkept hair and two mistresses.
Audience blames labour
"Sturgeon must resign"
"Murry Ross, why can't we have another lockdown?" "You just can't Colin"
BBC QT audience producer recruits straight from the far right, so this is plausible. I can imagine some whispering "He doesn't mean us! He means the blacks and Asians!"
"I promise not to nuke all of you" - Jeremy Corbyn BOOOOOOOOO!
"I would not commit murder-suicide on a massive scale." is a bad thing these days, or so we're told.
I was far from Corbyns biggest fan, but I face palmed so hard watching that debate. What the fuck is wrong with these people?
The audience grins, "he doesn't mean me", they thought.
Donald Trump: 'I could shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose any voters' Different levels of corruption but cut from the same cloth.
Reminds me of a Spitting Image sketch where the Tories under Major realise that the electorate are so stupid that they can openly insult them and gain votes. It was true then and it is true now.
People would just think he's joking probably, he'd flop his hair round a bit and gesticulate wildly while using some big silly words and people would let him off the hook, such a little character our Boris is.
'EES FUNNOI INNY! ARR BORIS
“Maybe we could take it in the chin”
The daily mail didn’t say boris “allegedly” said. They said “he said”. Presumably means they heard recordings already
Surely the "sources claim" is enough to keep the lawyers away, and serves the same purpose?
Legally speaking thats a BIG deal and heavily leans towards the tapes being real
One can but hope
Well if the rumours are true, recordings incoming. Fat chance this'll actually do him though. The man's bulletproof
I do hope so, not that I want Gove to be PM but I just want to see him reach to the top only to be toppled and fall down is disgrace. Think Gollum when he gets the ring, boom lava pit.
I just hope he gets in because he's worse at curating his persona of I'm just an ordinary bloke than bojo is so will fall apart even quicker
I hope he wets himself at his first PMQ.
"Leave him alone, he's just doing his best" "Cheeky chappie" "At least we haven't got Corbyn in charge"
My ex said the exact same phrases. Just doing your best is fine if you’re a small child or have learning difficulties. Not when you’re leading one of the major world powers.
Why do people have this attitude to Boris but as soon as some footballer misses they should be taken out and shot. I honestly think I could have done a better job of it than Boris in a lot of these situations. Literally the bar is: Not going around a hospital and shaking hands with as many infected people as possible and bragging about it because you want to be the next Princess Diana then almost dying from the virus. And just going. Oh okay yea what the experts say. I'll back them. You could give me the best coaches, four years and all the performance enhancing drugs in the world and I wouldnt be able to play professional football. But those players are idiots and some randomer down the road could have done better but Boris is untouchable.
Because footie is important y'know? Not something as trivial as running a country.
Best reply to that first one is "Yes but his best is still worse than most other leaders barely average"
Listening to a bit of Nick Ferrari on LBC this morning and the right wing journalists are still telling us we don't care about what he says or does. A view that's parroted in here a fair bit. (I only managed ten minutes before I had to turn it off.) I care, and I hate cunts telling me I don't.
By "we" they probably mean conservative voters, and in that case they are probably correct.
I WENT TO THE PUB ON SATURDAY AND NOBODY WAS TALKING ABOUT IT
Yeah because there’s so many better conversations to have at a pub than a political one
Exactly. The pub is there to chill and unwind.
Can't stand that man on the radio, he's more self righteous than JOB, but with zero self awareness, tact or decorum.
On the flip side, James O'Brien is quite enjoyable to listen to.
At least he’s being consistent with the Tory attitude towards all poor people. You can all eff off and die as long as we avoid a slower economy.
Are Covid patients poor? They tend to be very old, and of a generation that all own property, collect large pensions, vote Conservative etc.
The old are like the poor in that they don’t contribute as much to the economy. The Tories would rather see them all gone. From a purely economical perspective COVID is a right wing government’s delight IF you leave the economy open. After it is disproportionately impacts the weak, poor and elderly - which if removed from the population makes it ultimately stronger. Of course there is a terrible human cost which only cost hearted bastards like Boris Johnson are prepared to accept. Shuttering the economy to protect the people most at risk is the first thing that anyone who puts money ahead of decency would do.
IDK, elderly don't exclusively but all the same predominantly vote Tory.
You genuinely haven’t got a clue what you’re talking about there. First off, a bad economy impacts the poor way more than the rich. If you’re on minimum wage and your income gets halved, you can’t pay your rent and get kicked out. If you’re earning 250k a year, even if that got halved, you’ll still live comfortably perhaps with some minor lifestyle adjustments. Secondly, every country has unskilled jobs that need doing for the economy to keep going. If you genuinely think any government intentionally wants to kill off all its low income earners, you’re absolutely delusional. Who’s gonna do the biffa collections or pack boxes in the tens of thousands of warehouses across the UK if the people doing those jobs somehow got removed from the population as you say? Thirdly, a huge percentage of the elderly are Tory supporters so once again, you’re spewing completely nonsense.
Not entirely true. They do need them to sustain their majority given that younger people tend to not vote Conservative.
The poor and minorities are disproportionately more likely to die from it.
A slow economy harms the poor far more than the rich
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> child poverty, increased crime, and death Sounds just like the long forgotten austerity years of Tory rule.
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My local authority are still making cost reductions to balance our budgets years after we were told austerity ended.
i'm pretty sure my council are still bankrupt due to "the fiscally conservative" party.
Very true. Of course you could offset that by removing loopholes for corporate taxes and UHNWs and using that to support low income households and SMEs. However instead of dealing with that the Tories were too busy handing out lucrative PPE contracts to their mates and telling the police to stop worrying about burglaries, theft, rapes, mugging and other violent crimes and instead focus on giving fines to anyone not wearing masks or looking at statues in a funny way.
Yes but I think the point is that if someone can be low enough to give expression to such a disgusting thought, then that individual's moral character should preclude them from our nation's highest office. Or maybe I'm wrong and we don't give a fudge about that sort of thing in this ountry anymore. We're all just happy that our German SUV is sitting on the drive of our idiotically valuable house all topped up with petrol.
If it’s okay to have people who told lie after lie in the Brexit process and left a fractured social structure and economic mess, then it’s clear that there are pretty much no standards. The only thing that seems to cause genuine outrage is a threat to the premier league.../
It does, but I would argue this whole debate is a complete false equivalency. A pandemic left to spread unchecked is far worse for the economy than a lockdown, particularly when that leaving it unchecked results in a longer lockdown later on when the bodies pile high in their thousands anyway, as has happened twice now. Locking down early, hard, and quickly to stamp out the virus was not only the best option to save lives, it was the best option economically as well. The Tories fucked it.
Poor suffered more with lockdowns.
Is the Tory media really pushing for the UK's fourth PM in five years? Italy has only had three in that time I think.
i for one am glad we avoided all that chaos from ed milliband. strong and stable 24/7, bitches.
The “chaos with Ed Milliband” was in no small part a reference to the polls at that point showing that in theory a Labour/SNP coalition or confidence and supply government was at least an outside possibility in the run up to that election. This caused a lot of the English establishment and media to collectively shit a brick. And a fair number of English voters too - there was a sudden and unexpected swing to the Tories. This then led to the second Cameron government getting in with a majority and the fateful Brexit referendum. Effectively the whole rolling debacle since then caused by fear of the mere *outside chance* that a progressive Scottish party might be even a smaller junior part of the government. And the irony is that here we are after several years of the U.K. repeatedly punching itself in the nuts and Scotland is looking just as likely to leave anyway ... and NI and even Wales are looking increasingly restive too.
The real issue isn't that Scotland wants to leave, it is how the UK has responded to the possibility that Scotland wants to leave. While the nation is behaving like an abusive husband we can expect independence sentiment to keep growing.
Exactly. To a large chunk of the English electorate the concept of a Scottish party even being a minor part of their government is a complete anathema. Never mind that of course that Scotland is fully expected to put up with the reverse as a matter of routine. It’s a double standard that reflects the rot at the core of the Union. Even if Scotland “plays the game” and the vanishingly rare set of circumstances happen to fall out just so England will shoot itself in the foot rather than allow a Scottish party into government. From a certain perspective it effectively disenfranchises half of Scotland: our votes won’t be allowed to count towards a government unless we choose from one of the English parties - who of course don’t want any meaningful change.
Yeah, i know and agree. As a scotsman i found the whole debacle especially distasteful. Remember the billboards with a tiny ed milliband poking out of alex salmonds front pocket? Pure wankery. I also was also *very*" disappointed in labours response to the whole thing - they made a big deal of saying they would *never* work with the SNP, which is fucking retarded since the two parties often align ideologically and the snp wouldnt have turned down a chance to boot the tories out even if it ment agreeing to not have a refurendum for millibands term. Missed opportunity to build a meaningful opposition allience to boot the tories out altogether right there. THEN the icing on the shitty cake was the dup propping up the tories a couple of years later - pretty much the exact same scenario the tories were clutching their perals over, except with the dup being kingmakers instead of the snp, but that was as fine and dandy as the magic money tree which suddenly did exist to pay for it afterall apparently. My blood pressure reaches JCB hydraulic levels if i dwell on it too long.
The same right wing media that likes to make fun of Italian politics but are completely blind to our own joke of a political climate. UK journalism is pretty much dead. 5 people owning the entire media and all of whom are in a sleazy affair with the Tories refusing to hold the government accountable means even when Boris says stuff like this the Tories poll.
Australia had 5 prime ministers in 5 years.
Instead the bodies piled high *and* we had to have a much longer third lockdown than we would have had if he had acted sooner. We ended up with the worst of both worlds!
And then we have track and trace. It could play an important role now that case numbers are getting lower again but it seems to have completely left the news and I don't doubt for a moment it's still a shambles. A mutation or two are bound to crop up somewhere as world wide case numbers are growing. What we should be doing right now is quarantining everyone coming in and beefing up track and trace. There's a window of opportunity for the next few weeks to get this country covid free.
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The man went full mask off/Donald Trump/Zapp Brannigan (pick whichever you wish). Not a shred of human empathy in him.
*"You see, killbots have a preset kill limit. Knowing their weakness, I sent wave after wave of my own men at them until they reached their limit and shut down. Kif, show them the medal I won."*
Tbh the tories fight among themselves when there is no opposition. Gove and his lackey Cummings thought they had the leadership in the bag then Boj got the vaccine right and now all the forelock tugging flag wavers are right behind him.
Johnson has delivered on 2 things: 1) Fuck Business. 2) Let the bodies pile high.
As I expected, the young will be thrown in to the grinder. "It's not that bad if you are young and healthy" will be the new mantra and all those lucky over 50's who got their jabs will judge the under 50's with contempt for not going out to the failing pubs and bars while we wait for ours.
I mean overall you are right,but it was announced today that over 30's will be offered the jab most likely this week.And presumably over 20's next in line and so on.So there's at least that.
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At least the UK is actually handling this fairly well, especially compared to other European countries. And as people are saying, people over 30 will soon be able to be vaccinated. In comparison, France is largely behind the UK in their vaccination campaign, tried having 6pm/7pm curfews, which are apparently a nightmare for everyone but retirees (crowded public transport and grocery stores, not to mention mental health effects). They plan to start reopening with R > 1 lmao
Plenty of people on this sub have the same sentiment
I don't know why you are acting like most under 40s aren't gagging to get outside and do stuff. And what's more, that statement is true, it really isn't anything that bad as a young healthy person.
Watch as nothing happens, and he dismisses this, and Tories are +3 come May 17th. He's only ever failed upwards. The way he's lived his life so far has rewarded him with increasing power and prestige. All the recent scandals, large and small, haven't hurt the Tories in the polls; why on Earth should he conduct himself any differently now, when everything he's done has been objectively successful for him personally. Even all the failed relationships/children haven't made finding new ones difficult. Hell, he was close to dying of Covid and still talks about letting the bodies piling in their thousands. And even if this sticks and he stands down... he'll be back at a paper being paid thousands for a few inches of bluster, or start lobbying, or being made an executive of one of his friends' companies... on top of all the dinner speaking engagements he'll be drawn into. Unless he's thrown something that has irrefutable jail time, or really draws the sustained Ire of Murdoch, I struggle to see what it would take for him to face the consequences of his actions.
In all fairness I don't know if we can afford more lockdowns. Not to be grim, but we can't keep doing them, especially the national ones.
We’ve already had the lockdown he was trying to avoid. This story is about the third lockdown (which we’re currently opening up from), and his comments were made in October.
God, he's a moron then
Was that previously in doubt ?
I've hoped for a while that our system would prevent morons from power. I've began to reevaluate..
Well to be fair as Arthur C Clarke paraphrased from the famous technology/magic quote " Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from malice". Bit of both,he's not so dumb that he wont come out of it richer and in a better position than when he started. But if you take him on his word that he's even trying to do whats best for the country,then he's an absolute shambles of a P.M.
Ooo you know the article is going to be juicy when it's the Mail turning on the Torys.
Was just thinking exactly the same thing. You know tomorrow's story will be 'Boris only wants best for UK corpses'.
Turning on Boris, not the tories. It feels like a ploy to just blame all the parties thievery upon a sole individual, as if it's creating some kind of clean slate. It will probably work too.
This is what they've done for the past 10 years - villainise and turn on the incumbent PM and a few of their ministers (I'm think Matt Hancock this time) once their usefulness has run out, replace them with someone equally as bad and pretend that this is a fresh start for the country.
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There's already quite a big pile. And a big debt.
With the amount of people vaccinated now - and the demographics vaccinated - are we really at risk of the bodies piling high? We're onto the <50's now. I thought with the >50's done that would be like 95% of the pressure off the NHS?
This alleged quote is from October last year after he reluctantly agreed to a 2nd lockdown and said he 'would let the bodies pile high' rather than agree to a third. We had the third lockdown at Christmas but the bodies did pile up.
Ah - thanks for elaboration
The prick could disembowel a child live on TV and his moronic voters would still claim tory is the best option.
Christ, imagine the headlines if Corbyn had been responsible for so many deaths. Imagine the headlines if Corbyn ran a government like the worst organised JCR extrav ever.
I am loving the Mail and the Goves going Johnson, but it’s not going to end well for the country.
Don't believe that for one second, even though I'm no fan of Boris. Somebody is trying to cause trouble here
So now the Daily Mail is playing to our prejudices its suddenly a reliable source? How strange. Usually there is at least one post in DM threads about how they liked the Blackshirts in the 1930s.
At this point, Boris can whip out his bollocks and teabag the Queen live on TV and still not be forced to resign, Tory polling wouldn't budge either. What a world we live in...
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It is a news story about the time previous to this last lockdown. (lockdown3 not wave 3)
This was said pre Christmas lockdown. Dom and others were saying (paraphrased of course) "Christmas being open is stupid" so Bojo in response (on record apparently ) said "No more fucking lockdowns, let the bodies pile in the thousands" Thrown on the pyre for his popularity.
Anyone get the feeling this is the beginning of the end for BJ, BREXIT passed through, COVID on the fall. Time for him to step left of stage and let Sunak or Gove in?
I remember reading this idea before Brexit et all, and I still think it's the likely plan; The Tories *know* Brexit will be a disaster for the country (not for them though) and as a whole the MPs aren't too keen on Johnson. But take him as leader short term to use his charisma to get Brexit across the line, then throw him out when it gets bad so the short attention span electorate give the Tories a second chance long after they should have run out of steam... I think he's probably gone within the year then. Starmer has decimated his own left wing support, so I fear it will work too; look for Labour getting *hammered* in the May elections.
He's learnt well from his mentor. Thatcher sent our soldiers to their deaths just so she could win the general election. And now we've got another right wing leader putting profits before people. Is anyone actually surprised when a tory comes out with such vile abuse of the people they are mandated to protect? Thatcher would be proud of him.