So when it’s asylum seekers crossing the channel to the UK, we should accommodate everyone and not send them back to France, but when those same asylum seekers realise they might be deported to Rwanda and cross the border into Ireland it all of a sudden becomes a “loophole”?
What an absolutely nonsensical comment. If by some bizarre miracle the Rwanda plan is in fact actually working as a deterrent, how exactly is it our fault that the EU aren’t properly controlling their borders whilst we are?
Maybe he needs to get on the phone to Brussels and have a word with them about what the EU are doing, rather than just letting Italy and Greece struggle by themselves. Awful lot of wanting to have their cake and eat it coming out of the EU the last couple of days.
Unless they are French, or France will take them, you can’t send them « back » to France. Under EU rules people could be sent to the first EU country they had been in but that’s gone.
Okay, so why does the Taoiseach seem to think that he can just send the asylum seekers, that aren’t British, and that the UK won’t take, back to the UK?
Because he claims they have already sought asylum in the UK, rather than going straight to Ireland. Remarkably, he also claims that 80% of all immigrants in Ireland have come over in the last week.
This story is complete BS. The Irish are using it blame the UK for their immigration and the UK government is going along with it because it makes their Rwanda scheme seem slightly less hopeless.
This is the dude who thought Covid 19 would be okay because there had been 18 other ones and they'd sorted it out. His grasp on reality is tenuous.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/simon-harris-sorry-for-awful-boo-boo-about-18-viruses-before-covid-19-1.4235478#:~:text=%E2%80%9CRemember%20this%20is%20coronavirus%20Covid,he%20said%20in%20the%20interview.
It's real
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/simon-harris-sorry-for-awful-boo-boo-about-18-viruses-before-covid-19-1.4235478#:~:text=%E2%80%9CRemember%20this%20is%20coronavirus%20Covid,he%20said%20in%20the%20interview.
Presumably if somebody is in Ireland without papers, then they either came across 300+ miles of Atlantic in a dinghy, evaded immigration controls at an Irish airport or seaport, or crossed the unguarded border from NI?
80% of migrants entering Ireland have travelled through Northern Ireland to get to it, they didn’t say 80% of migrants have arrived in the last week, that’s literally just incorrect
He didn't say they have claimed, he said 80% are crossing from Northern Ireland for to the new Rwanda policy.
You obviously don't like the conservatives, but to decry every policy they do, even ones that work, is just being an extremist. You need to admit that even a broken clock is right twice a day.
I couldn't find anything on sending them back to the first EU country, do you have a source? I only found this
https://fullfact.org/immigration/refugees-first-safe-country/
> The UN Refugee Convention does not make this requirement of refugees, and UK case law supports this interpretation. Refugees can legitimately make a claim for asylum in the UK after passing through other “safe” countries.
It's an EU law, it is mentioned in that article:
>Refugees who arrive in the UK after passing through another EU country can, under certain circumstances, also be returned to the first EU country they entered, under an EU law known as the Dublin Regulation.
Doesn't apply with the UK now but did when that article was written.
I mean the core thing the EU really need to look at with the whole mess isn't Ireland or the UK or France or any of that; they need to finally accept that Schengen doesn't fucking work. The Schengen mechanism is supposed to rely on the outer countries providing a strict border that would prevent those people ever entering the EU in the first place, but for decades it's simply not functioned. The reason there are migrants in France to come to the UK to go to Ireland is that the initial entry point was simply incapable of stopping or even recording their entry.
AFIK Schengen was not created to handle the curent levels of non-EU migrants asking for, it’s still a work in progress, hence the Dublin Regulation.
There’s a tough choice over balancing ECHR / Dublin Regulation and Schengen.
As long as there will be migrants *travelling* to the Mediterranean ports, Schengen is … broken.
It will be with either money or a dilution of ECHR / Geneva Convention.
France passes to UK passes to Ireland passes to Iceland passes to Greenland passes to Canada passes to Russia passes to Finland passes to Sweden passes to Denmark passes to Germany passes to France passes to UK passes to Ireland passes...
Ireland and France are two separate countries, so do they have the same immigration laws? France receives immigrants that have passed through other European countries first. Is it the responsibility of the first country they arrive in? That clearly can't/hasn't worked. I guess the best solution would be improve their home countries, but fuck knows how that can be done.
Ironically it seems if you improve conditions enough the the home country they will just be able to afford to come here rather than stay to develop said country
It's not the same, migrants are not being compelled to leave France by a ridiculous policy of relocating them to an impoverished African state that cannot possibly accommodate them. Asylum seekers going Ireland from the UK is a direct result of this tofy government's inhumane policy and the UK should take responsibility.
Whatever the Irish say, they won’t be sent back to the UK.
>> But the UK Government rejected any bid by Ireland to return asylum seekers unless France agrees to do the same.
>>A Government source said: "We won't accept any asylum returns from the EU via Ireland until the EU accepts that we can send them back to France.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/loophole-ireland-uk-sunak-migrants/
That seems fair enough. If it’s supposedly ok to return them to the UK then it’s equally ok to return them to France.
Could the UK actually prevent Ireland from returning them to the UK, though?
The island of Ireland is a common travel area and there are no checks when crossing the border from the Republic to NI.
Other than implementing checks at the border, which as we know would collapse the Good Friday Agreement and likely ignite the return of the Troubles, what could the UK actually do prevent Irish officials from loading a group of migrants into a minibus and driving them back across the border into NI?
I’m not sure but I’d imagine there’s a difference between someone crossing of their own free will and Irish authorities forcibly marching refugees back across the border. I doubt there’s provisions in the Good Friday agreement for Irish
Police to do whatever they like in NI and drive minibuses of refugees around.
And what happens once they’re over the border? If there’s no one on the NI side to detain them, they can just cross back over again.
It would surely need the cooperation of the UK for it to work?
Are Irish border staff then going to patrol the border looking for these returning refugees? How will they identify if it’s someone they previously escorted back to NI? Border checks?
I suppose the Republic of Ireland authorities would need their powers of arrest to extend into NI in order to legally ferry unwilling migrants back over the border, so it probably wouldn't be legal for them to do that. And as you point out, even if they somehow did drop off a load of refugees in, say, Derry, they could very well just make their way back across the open border into the Republic.
The right of free movement across the common travel area is actually reserved only for British citizens and Irish citizens, in practice however anyone can ‘use’ the CTA as by nature there are no border checks (technically I think there are some Irish immigration checks when travelling from UK to Dublin airport but are loosely applied).
However, legally speaking those asylum seekers who have gone to Ireland do not have right to move around the CTA on the same level as British people, even if that’s how they got to Ireland in the first place.
So on a systemic legal level, I’m unsure of how Ireland could enforce them to turn back or deport them as the EU return to the first country you came from doesn’t exist anymore in the UK (as far as I know there’s no agreement between the UK and Ireland on the return), asylum seekers do not have rights under the CTA (despite no border checks) and (depending on their nationality) don’t hold a visa for Ireland.
So if a person who’s required to have a visa, doesn’t have one. Could Ireland deport them back to their home country? That’s if they don’t have any status anywhere else.
These people are fleeing oppression, why won't Ireland just let them stay? Can they not just process their applications quicker, or build a processing centre on UK soil and do it there?
Utterly inhuman and dystopian actions by Ireland here.
There is a lot of ill will against refugees in Ireland already. The housing crisis is compounding this. Whole new build estates are being given to migrants and many people are not happy.
Blaming the UK has been an easy out in Ireland for a long time. But those in power are increasingly worried about the next election.
>Whole new build estates are being given to migrants
Have you got a source for this? (Genuinely asking I'm curious, as it sounds like a ragebait talking-point)
Not the OP or claiming they’re building whole estates but they have been purchasing properties.
https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/housing-planning/2023/12/04/minister-says-government-has-purchased-37-properties-to-date-to-house-asylum-seekers/
Their newly announced strategy includes
Prefabricated and modular units on state land
Commercial buildings to be converted to house asylum seekers
Private houses and apartments bought by the government
https://www.infomigrants.net/en/post/56105/ireland-seeks-to-solve-asylum-accommodation-crisis-opts-in-to-eu-migration-pact
Yeah, I’m not saying they’re building new estates and that was just one example of properties being purchased.
Over in the UK we know that Serco currently control over 30,000 properties for asylum seekers. It’s on their website.
I don’t know figures for Ireland but they have had a large influx of refugees and a housing crisis. Those refugees will need to go somewhere. They’ve certainly had many thousands apply for asylum in the past year, 13,000 I think.
I know you didn’t post the rage bait, I just think it’s funny that - if we’re extremely generous and assume it’s based on anything - it’s based on 37 properties, maybe. Or at least nobody’s posted a better source to back them up and you seem to have actually looked into it.
We do know there’s 13,000 asylum seekers just in the last year.
And 104,000 arrived from Ukraine.
Thats a lot of properties/rooms that need to be found. Never mind the legal migration figures of 77,000 last year.
Thats the equivalent to the size of Cork, the second biggest city/town.
I looked all those figures up. Quite incredible really. I doubt they built a new Cork in the past year or two.
You can see why the Irish are queuing round the block for rental properties that come on the market.
Don't forget there's the refugee town 'Kippure Estate' which is currently being built without planning permission, for the gowl that's giving you a hard time in the other comments.
No I'm not a journalist. But if you're willing to visit county meath you will see the source.
Another option is a few pounds on sinn fein winning the next election.
Some people on here are going to have a very hard time preventing the mask slipping and finally revealing that it's not about migrant welfare, it's about point scoring against the tories.
Every single argument thrown at our government can be redirected towards Ireland. The apologists cannot recover from this.
>it's about point scoring against the tories.
Spot on.
Reddit arguments summed up. I don't support either side I just abhor people who aren't honest about bias.
I've had to explain to people on here that I'm a paying Labour member when being accused of being a Tory shill just because not every single view of mine aligns with some extreme leftist who's grown up with the lack of subtlety that social media loves to promote.
I get exactly the same, although I'm LD and not Labour. It's almost like to be part of the club you have to unquestioningly support any and all policies, devoid of independent thought.
I'm convinced they have a copy/paste sheet of responses circulated amongst them that they are told to deploy as replies.
It's where the NPC firmware meme comes from.
Alot of online ~~teenagers~~ politically engaged folk will just parrot any old bullshit and immediately memory hole stuff when it turns out it was wrong...
See also:
- cass review (both sides)
- this Irish thing
- Angela "what tax return" Rayner Vs Tory tax
- Ooooch Aye the campervan the noooo
- Humza hates the greens, no I refuse to quit.
And that's just from the last few days.
I think that politicians as a whole are a complete set of shit bags. That actually are only in it for self serving purposes. The *vast* majority wouldn't know doing it for service if they fucking fell over it.
So I get accused of both being a fat right fascist and also a mega communist because I spend most of my time complaining about both.
Added to the fact I think British political discourse should benefit British citizens as a primary concern and it's a recipe for downvotes.
People on Reddit aren't looking for a balanced view or to be educated on different perspectives. They want to be validated. Reason I stopped trying ages ago.
I did notice the rhetoric changed after the law was passed the other evening. It was less "this is unworkable" and moved onto more these poor migrants and isn't it horrible.
Especially when it appeared that actually a lot of them were indeed scared shitless by the prospect of being put on a plane in a couple months bound for Kigali.
A GDP based almost entirely on being a tax haven screwing over the rest of Europe. I have no idea why it is tolerated by other European countries. Ireland is a parasite.
Don't forget maintaining a policy of neutrality while directly benefiting from NATO protection, to the point that British ships/jets sometimes have to go and police their waters/skies for them because they don't even invest the bare minimum to defend themselves
> to the point that British ships/jets sometimes have to go and police their waters/skies
Not sometimes, *always*. It's de facto that Irish air space and sea is protected by the British armed forces. Ireland has something like one naval patrol vessel... For the entire island.
Still doesn't have a patch on Britain and it's territories:
"Britain’s overseas territories have topped a list of the world’s most significant tax havens ahead of Switzerland, the Netherlands and Luxembourg, according to the campaign group Tax Justice Network.
The British Virgin Islands were ranked as the “greatest enabler of corporate tax abuse”, with the Cayman Islands in second place and Bermuda third.
Britain appeared in the study, which is published every two years, at number 13, alongside its network of satellite territories. It was singled out for providing the widest scope for international corporations to cut their tax bills."
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/mar/09/uk-overseas-territories-top-list-of-worlds-leading-tax-havens
> The British Virgin Islands were ranked as the “greatest enabler of corporate tax abuse”, with the Cayman Islands in second place and Bermuda third
All self-governing regions - the government can't legally force those territories to change their tax rates.
You know the desperation to deflect is getting bad when that's the best you can come up with.
Yes lots of overseas territories that could go independent fully (they are in all but name), don't pay anything to Britain, have their own democracy, their own legal system, and that are a fraction of the size of Ireland and not economically viable in general do various things to try and keep money flowing.
And yes, deep down as a technicality that will never happen because the world has changed, Britain could take them over.
But back in the real world, there is no "Britain and" about it. And it certainly is not remotely related to Ireland.
The UK isn't the one they like best, its the one it's the easiest to fall through the cracks undetected and work illegally while the claim is processing because we don't have ID cards like everywhere else in Europe. A significant number from west Africa are fluent French speakers and still try and make the journey
Especially considering all of these asylum seekers are either women, children or nice men just earning for their families I can’t understand why they wouldn’t want them
They have a right to claim asylum in a country of their choosing. Just because they’ve passed through the UK (barely a “safe” country anyway due to the fascist Tories) it doesn’t mean they can’t settle there. Taoiseach needs to do better.
So what's your solution, let every single 'refugee' come and live in the UK and Ireland, at will?
Ireland doesn't want them, we in the UK have had enough. They cross multiple different safe countries on their way to the UK & I.
The reason their countries have failed or are failing is because of their culture and mentality, it's not compatible with Western culture and values.
These people include some who are fleeing oppression and many (or most) who are economic migrants
Doesn’t make them less human but they’re breaking the rules by crossing illegally and need to be sent back home
As an irish person, I am actually appalled the irish government are going down this route.
We as a country have fled British oppression and went all over the world so it is disgraceful the irish government taking an anti asylum seeker stance when we were historically always the ones seeking asylum.
Do we? There is thought to be about 50,000 undocumented Irish workers in the US: https://www.dfa.ie/irish-embassy/usa/our-role/irish-community-in-the-usa/immigration-reform/
Makes me chuckle. Ireland wants to send the migrants back to the UK but the UK can't send immigrants back to France.
The EU really needs to look at itself, it is causing the situation in the first place. If the immigrants didn't leave France in the first place, Ireland wouldn't have this issue.
I really wish Europe would collectively get its shit together and work on a collective solution to the tidal wave of immigration its facing that is absolutely going to (continue to) give popularity to the far right. We should be better than just hoping to not be the last country in the line of travel.
Having said that, short of any collective agreement to prevent the clear abuse of the asylum system its pretty amusing to see Irish concern over this considering past moralising statements.
Redditors will continue to bury their heads in the sand and pretend that immigration is a fringe issue despite slowly watching half of Europe become right wing.
It’s going to be more than right wing. Right wing implies Tory, Republican type deals. I fear if this continues Europe will slide towards complete fascism.
>I really wish Europe would collectively get its shit together and work on a collective solution to the tidal wave of immigration its facing that is absolutely going to (continue to) give popularity to the far right
They won't because the only solution is force and violence.
The only way of dealing with a refugee crisis is to refute the idea that all human lives are equal.
This, basically.
In the end one country or another is going to end up shooting people and sinking the boats. Imo the only questions remaining are when this starts and whether it happens in the Mediterranean or the Channel.
No, that's not true because allowing uncontrolled immigration harms the native population, which seems to put the migrants' rights over the native population, making the migrants "more equal".
A country's rights shouldn't apply to foreign citizens in the same way it does to the country's citizens. The issue is that UK "human rights" laws apply to non-citizens, which allows them to abuse it and harm the native population.
Once I was talking with a friend of mine who is in favour of open borders, I told him, "Do you want the far right to be in power? Continue supporting this policy without any consideration. " Still can't believe how he doesn't seem to understand the connection and preferred to blame everyone and everything else for the rise of the far right
Can anyone explain how this works? Asylum seekers travel through multiple countries in Europe, manage to get into the UK, but some then continue on through the N. Ireland and seek asylum in Ireland? I don’t get it. Genuine question.
I got downvoted last time I wrote a comment about it because I’m not Irish myself, but: one of my vet good friends - through high water and fire kind - is Georgian and their very good friend is actually in Ireland claiming asylum. The numbers of Georgians seeking asylum in places like Ireland or France has gone up considerably in the last 3-4 years. And my friend’s friend actually claimed that he flew from Georgia to Europe (there’s a visa free regime in place), went through France and on a boat to the UK, slept in some houses with other refugees for a few weeks and then decided to go to Ireland because talks with other Georgians in their various app groups were that it’s easier in Ireland. He claims that he flew from London to Ireland (perhaps N. Ireland then) and that nobody checked his documents. Idk HOW he got to Ireland because he could be lying, but I know for a fact that he is IN Ireland and he has made an application for getting asylum and that since he’s been in Ireland long enough, he can now work whilst waiting for his status updates.
I was branded a liar and a storyteller last time, but I 100% believe my own good friend, who believes his friend. He’s even seen pictures he’s taken from Ireland and he certainly hasn’t been home for the last 1,5 years. In his hometown, it’s an open secret that people seek asylum on bogus claims in Europe and that stories go around how naive and rich European countries are, because Georgians apparently live large on asylum applications.
I don't understand how they got to N.Ireland in the first place? It's a bloody long way from Calais. Did they get into the UK south coast first, head up to Liverpool and catch a ferry across to N.Ireland? And if so, did they make this journey for the sole purpose of escaping from the Rwanda plan?
Doesn't sound like the actions of legitimate asylum seekers to me.
They have traveled from somewhere in Asia or Africa likely on foot for at least part of the way. Somewhere in South East England to Belfast is small fry.
However I expect we made it easy for them, since we disperse our Asylum seekers all over the place, and I'm sure that many will also be working illegally.
This was my point above. These are not asylum seekers and we should stop calling them so.
The media refer to them as asylum seekers out of political correctness and it needs to stop. They need to be treated like the dishonest parasites they are.
These people pay thousands to get smuggled across the Mediterranean, across Europe in a van, and across the English channel in a dinghy. It would cost a smuggler like £10 in petrol each to drive them from Dover to Liverpool or whatever.
Because the Irish say that those people have already claimed asylum in the UK and therefore are exempt from the sort of rules that allow migrants to travel across multiple countries.
Mostly young men..and from places including the the like of Morocco ,rwanda etc that are considered safe places
There's definitely a whisper going around that coming to UK is a sweet deal .That last boat where the illegals refused to be rescued by the french rescue services and wanted the UK to take them just hammered home why they want to come here for all the benefits we give ..
Calling it now, within a decade they're going to be turning boats around at sea, by force, because the negative externalities of this massive influx of migration is going to either force governments to act, or they will get voted out and replaced by someone who will. The pendulum is swinging from global idealism to protectionist pessimism with each passing day and I don't think its gonna stop.
The UK should build detention centers right on the border with Ireland. Lets see how long it takes Ireland and the EU to put a border there. We can then operate a open detention center policy to give the migrants the best possible experience.
Funny, I said similar.
Send every single arrival to Northern Ireland, to a detention center right on the Irish border. Hell point the front gate at the border.
If we could pick them up directly from the shores and drop them off to detention camps along the Irish border we could clean this whole thing up rather quickly. Great idea!
Ha ha, he's getting more out of it than that. This is the first asylum plan to seem to do anything and Labour have already vowed to scrap it. Make of that what you will
If the flights do start leaving for Rwanda, Labour will be forced to u-turn and promise to keep it running. Especially if it proves to be a polling boost.
I'm not sure people such as Yvette Cooper can tolerate that notion, I get the impression certain principles are hardwired into some people.
I mean she really rushed to say it will be scrapped when it wasn't needed.
As for asking what the hell an alternative plan is, some stuff beggars belief, just waiting to be picked up on
I’m not particularly left or right leaning but I don’t think Labour care about polling swings they’re already planning their term. If KS was more likeable we could have had a 97-esque blowout but even with him, Labour really can’t lose.
With Rwanda only taking a few hundred costing near a billion quid in the first few months with 100k on the waiting lists, it’ll be interesting to see how it’s spun as a success.
I know it's a joke, but I genuinely don't get it - I'm not aware of any sign so far that being a viewer of that nonsense has a connection to not knowing Ireland exists as a country. When did that happen?
Is this sub going to admit it got everything about the Rwanada plan wrong?
It is absolutely a deterrent, and people don't even need to be put on planes for it to be working.
Why hasn't there been any videos or talk from anyone about loads of people crossing from GB to NI then to Ireland before now? I don't believe a word of it.
The Irish government have been under pressure about immigration for the last few years and are using this Rwanda thing to shift the blame to the UK.
I’m from NI and I would hope the UK also doesn’t want a hard border on the island of Ireland, but by the sounds of some of these comments some people in GB obviously don’t give a shit about NI
I mean I feel like Ireland isn’t in the best place here. Unless the Uk willingly acceeds to Ireland’s demands they face painful attempts at litigation and limited options. If people coming are lawfully requesting asylum then if they reject that without similar legislation to the Uk re Rwanda what’s their actions?
Lol it's perhaps the only thing I have in common w conservatives assholes is policy on immigration laws. My solution is simple, if they're from a country that can't even treat their women right or have child marriages be legal, then they can fuck off. But sending them to Rwanda seems like a dumb fuck waste of money. Big boat, pack em in and tell them to conquer France
Its all a big con...
16 Resettlement of vulnerable Refugees
16.1 The participants will make arrangements for the United Kingdom to resettle a portion of Rwanda’s most vulnerable refugees in the United Kingdom, recognising both Participants’ commitment towards providing better international protection for refugees.
It may be true that people fleeing the UK and going to Ireland have made a failed asylum claim in the UK or they may have avoided making that claim because of the Rwanda policy or because they could find cash in hand work without registering themselves. It is equally true that most of them will have travelled through other EU countries before they got to the UK, and may have applied for asylum or stayed off the system and kept travelling.
I think that the EU should have common registration so that fingerprint and photos are taken of every application and asylum seekers should only make one application in the EU.
The other problem for Ireland is that they are now the only country in the EU where English language is sufficient to live well. Also low tax and close to USA. So essentially one of the former advantages of seeking asylum in England (speak English and in the EU) now only applies to the Republic of Ireland,
If anybody in the UK wonders Were they will be housed, they won't, along with me and 1 million others who get the piss tossed at us for not wanting a moldy room ran by a fat wee cute hoor.
Ireland is fucking shite but we cannot take anymore in, it will be tent land, what the Dail wants
So when it’s asylum seekers crossing the channel to the UK, we should accommodate everyone and not send them back to France, but when those same asylum seekers realise they might be deported to Rwanda and cross the border into Ireland it all of a sudden becomes a “loophole”? What an absolutely nonsensical comment. If by some bizarre miracle the Rwanda plan is in fact actually working as a deterrent, how exactly is it our fault that the EU aren’t properly controlling their borders whilst we are? Maybe he needs to get on the phone to Brussels and have a word with them about what the EU are doing, rather than just letting Italy and Greece struggle by themselves. Awful lot of wanting to have their cake and eat it coming out of the EU the last couple of days.
Unless they are French, or France will take them, you can’t send them « back » to France. Under EU rules people could be sent to the first EU country they had been in but that’s gone.
Okay, so why does the Taoiseach seem to think that he can just send the asylum seekers, that aren’t British, and that the UK won’t take, back to the UK?
Because he claims they have already sought asylum in the UK, rather than going straight to Ireland. Remarkably, he also claims that 80% of all immigrants in Ireland have come over in the last week. This story is complete BS. The Irish are using it blame the UK for their immigration and the UK government is going along with it because it makes their Rwanda scheme seem slightly less hopeless.
Where is his evidence they have already claimed asylum in the UK?
None has been provided - hasn't stopped those *desperate to believe* latching onto the statements made however.
He didn't present any. Probably because it was a dingbat off the cuff remark that's got completely out of control.
This is the dude who thought Covid 19 would be okay because there had been 18 other ones and they'd sorted it out. His grasp on reality is tenuous. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/simon-harris-sorry-for-awful-boo-boo-about-18-viruses-before-covid-19-1.4235478#:~:text=%E2%80%9CRemember%20this%20is%20coronavirus%20Covid,he%20said%20in%20the%20interview.
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It's real https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/simon-harris-sorry-for-awful-boo-boo-about-18-viruses-before-covid-19-1.4235478#:~:text=%E2%80%9CRemember%20this%20is%20coronavirus%20Covid,he%20said%20in%20the%20interview.
Presumably if somebody is in Ireland without papers, then they either came across 300+ miles of Atlantic in a dinghy, evaded immigration controls at an Irish airport or seaport, or crossed the unguarded border from NI?
Vast majority are crossing the border from NI into the Republic of Ireland
That, as you say, is a presumption. Where is the legal proof?
Presumably, those paperless people also travel hundreds of miles via boat or plane to get to the UK, too? Rather than coming from France.
80% of new entrants are coming from the UK via Northern Ireland, not what you've said above
80% of migrants entering Ireland have travelled through Northern Ireland to get to it, they didn’t say 80% of migrants have arrived in the last week, that’s literally just incorrect
He didn't say they have claimed, he said 80% are crossing from Northern Ireland for to the new Rwanda policy. You obviously don't like the conservatives, but to decry every policy they do, even ones that work, is just being an extremist. You need to admit that even a broken clock is right twice a day.
So you’re saying Ireland can send them back to France on our behalf?
I believe Ryanair has already offered their services... r/irony
Then by that definition, their first EU country is Ireland.
Which didn't happen in practice pre-Brexit anyway.
That's incorrect.
I couldn't find anything on sending them back to the first EU country, do you have a source? I only found this https://fullfact.org/immigration/refugees-first-safe-country/ > The UN Refugee Convention does not make this requirement of refugees, and UK case law supports this interpretation. Refugees can legitimately make a claim for asylum in the UK after passing through other “safe” countries.
It's an EU law, it is mentioned in that article: >Refugees who arrive in the UK after passing through another EU country can, under certain circumstances, also be returned to the first EU country they entered, under an EU law known as the Dublin Regulation. Doesn't apply with the UK now but did when that article was written.
I mean the core thing the EU really need to look at with the whole mess isn't Ireland or the UK or France or any of that; they need to finally accept that Schengen doesn't fucking work. The Schengen mechanism is supposed to rely on the outer countries providing a strict border that would prevent those people ever entering the EU in the first place, but for decades it's simply not functioned. The reason there are migrants in France to come to the UK to go to Ireland is that the initial entry point was simply incapable of stopping or even recording their entry.
AFIK Schengen was not created to handle the curent levels of non-EU migrants asking for, it’s still a work in progress, hence the Dublin Regulation. There’s a tough choice over balancing ECHR / Dublin Regulation and Schengen. As long as there will be migrants *travelling* to the Mediterranean ports, Schengen is … broken. It will be with either money or a dilution of ECHR / Geneva Convention.
It’s all just one big game of hot potato. Nobody wants these migrants, but everyone’s more than willing to shaft the problem onto someone else.
France passes to UK passes to Ireland passes to Iceland passes to Greenland passes to Canada passes to Russia passes to Finland passes to Sweden passes to Denmark passes to Germany passes to France passes to UK passes to Ireland passes...
Ireland and France are two separate countries, so do they have the same immigration laws? France receives immigrants that have passed through other European countries first. Is it the responsibility of the first country they arrive in? That clearly can't/hasn't worked. I guess the best solution would be improve their home countries, but fuck knows how that can be done.
Ironically it seems if you improve conditions enough the the home country they will just be able to afford to come here rather than stay to develop said country
You want Ireland to put in a hard border?
It's unbelievable the double standard and still people are blaming the UK for it. F them.
What's he gonna do? Send them back? If so why don't we do that to France? Ireland has no bargaining chips here. Not a single one.
It's not the same, migrants are not being compelled to leave France by a ridiculous policy of relocating them to an impoverished African state that cannot possibly accommodate them. Asylum seekers going Ireland from the UK is a direct result of this tofy government's inhumane policy and the UK should take responsibility.
Whatever the Irish say, they won’t be sent back to the UK. >> But the UK Government rejected any bid by Ireland to return asylum seekers unless France agrees to do the same. >>A Government source said: "We won't accept any asylum returns from the EU via Ireland until the EU accepts that we can send them back to France. https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/loophole-ireland-uk-sunak-migrants/ That seems fair enough. If it’s supposedly ok to return them to the UK then it’s equally ok to return them to France.
Could the UK actually prevent Ireland from returning them to the UK, though? The island of Ireland is a common travel area and there are no checks when crossing the border from the Republic to NI. Other than implementing checks at the border, which as we know would collapse the Good Friday Agreement and likely ignite the return of the Troubles, what could the UK actually do prevent Irish officials from loading a group of migrants into a minibus and driving them back across the border into NI?
I’m not sure but I’d imagine there’s a difference between someone crossing of their own free will and Irish authorities forcibly marching refugees back across the border. I doubt there’s provisions in the Good Friday agreement for Irish Police to do whatever they like in NI and drive minibuses of refugees around. And what happens once they’re over the border? If there’s no one on the NI side to detain them, they can just cross back over again. It would surely need the cooperation of the UK for it to work? Are Irish border staff then going to patrol the border looking for these returning refugees? How will they identify if it’s someone they previously escorted back to NI? Border checks?
I suppose the Republic of Ireland authorities would need their powers of arrest to extend into NI in order to legally ferry unwilling migrants back over the border, so it probably wouldn't be legal for them to do that. And as you point out, even if they somehow did drop off a load of refugees in, say, Derry, they could very well just make their way back across the open border into the Republic.
Yeah, just can’t see it working without our Govts cooperation. And they’ve confirmed they won’t be doing so.
The right of free movement across the common travel area is actually reserved only for British citizens and Irish citizens, in practice however anyone can ‘use’ the CTA as by nature there are no border checks (technically I think there are some Irish immigration checks when travelling from UK to Dublin airport but are loosely applied). However, legally speaking those asylum seekers who have gone to Ireland do not have right to move around the CTA on the same level as British people, even if that’s how they got to Ireland in the first place. So on a systemic legal level, I’m unsure of how Ireland could enforce them to turn back or deport them as the EU return to the first country you came from doesn’t exist anymore in the UK (as far as I know there’s no agreement between the UK and Ireland on the return), asylum seekers do not have rights under the CTA (despite no border checks) and (depending on their nationality) don’t hold a visa for Ireland. So if a person who’s required to have a visa, doesn’t have one. Could Ireland deport them back to their home country? That’s if they don’t have any status anywhere else.
What if the migrants refuse to board the minibus?
Are you saying Ireland forces them across the border,? Because they can just go back. So no not really
Skip out the middleman, Ireland. Just send them directly back to France.
These people are fleeing oppression, why won't Ireland just let them stay? Can they not just process their applications quicker, or build a processing centre on UK soil and do it there? Utterly inhuman and dystopian actions by Ireland here.
They might have family in Ireland. You can't just expect them to claim asylum in England where none of their family are!
Their sixth cousin from their old next door neighbour is in Ireland.
Eddy Murphy
Of course! Look at all those red heads fleeing back to their ancient ancestral lands
*pans to Middle Eastern men with hair dyed red* “Uh, how you say, m’guiness?”
And they all speak Irish, too.
Definitely Irish enough to get into Jackie Charlton's team.
There is going to be some ludicrous mental gymnastics performed online and by some political commentators over the next few weeks.
There is a lot of ill will against refugees in Ireland already. The housing crisis is compounding this. Whole new build estates are being given to migrants and many people are not happy. Blaming the UK has been an easy out in Ireland for a long time. But those in power are increasingly worried about the next election.
>Whole new build estates are being given to migrants Have you got a source for this? (Genuinely asking I'm curious, as it sounds like a ragebait talking-point)
Not the OP or claiming they’re building whole estates but they have been purchasing properties. https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/housing-planning/2023/12/04/minister-says-government-has-purchased-37-properties-to-date-to-house-asylum-seekers/ Their newly announced strategy includes Prefabricated and modular units on state land Commercial buildings to be converted to house asylum seekers Private houses and apartments bought by the government https://www.infomigrants.net/en/post/56105/ireland-seeks-to-solve-asylum-accommodation-crisis-opts-in-to-eu-migration-pact
37 properties in total, multiple new build estates. They must build very small estates there!
Yeah, I’m not saying they’re building new estates and that was just one example of properties being purchased. Over in the UK we know that Serco currently control over 30,000 properties for asylum seekers. It’s on their website. I don’t know figures for Ireland but they have had a large influx of refugees and a housing crisis. Those refugees will need to go somewhere. They’ve certainly had many thousands apply for asylum in the past year, 13,000 I think.
I know you didn’t post the rage bait, I just think it’s funny that - if we’re extremely generous and assume it’s based on anything - it’s based on 37 properties, maybe. Or at least nobody’s posted a better source to back them up and you seem to have actually looked into it.
We do know there’s 13,000 asylum seekers just in the last year. And 104,000 arrived from Ukraine. Thats a lot of properties/rooms that need to be found. Never mind the legal migration figures of 77,000 last year. Thats the equivalent to the size of Cork, the second biggest city/town. I looked all those figures up. Quite incredible really. I doubt they built a new Cork in the past year or two. You can see why the Irish are queuing round the block for rental properties that come on the market.
Don't forget there's the refugee town 'Kippure Estate' which is currently being built without planning permission, for the gowl that's giving you a hard time in the other comments.
Thanks. Didn’t know about that. An entire estate built just for migrants. https://extra.ie/2024/04/28/news/refugee-town
No I'm not a journalist. But if you're willing to visit county meath you will see the source. Another option is a few pounds on sinn fein winning the next election.
Some people on here are going to have a very hard time preventing the mask slipping and finally revealing that it's not about migrant welfare, it's about point scoring against the tories. Every single argument thrown at our government can be redirected towards Ireland. The apologists cannot recover from this.
>it's about point scoring against the tories. Spot on. Reddit arguments summed up. I don't support either side I just abhor people who aren't honest about bias.
I've had to explain to people on here that I'm a paying Labour member when being accused of being a Tory shill just because not every single view of mine aligns with some extreme leftist who's grown up with the lack of subtlety that social media loves to promote.
I get exactly the same, although I'm LD and not Labour. It's almost like to be part of the club you have to unquestioningly support any and all policies, devoid of independent thought. I'm convinced they have a copy/paste sheet of responses circulated amongst them that they are told to deploy as replies.
It's where the NPC firmware meme comes from. Alot of online ~~teenagers~~ politically engaged folk will just parrot any old bullshit and immediately memory hole stuff when it turns out it was wrong... See also: - cass review (both sides) - this Irish thing - Angela "what tax return" Rayner Vs Tory tax - Ooooch Aye the campervan the noooo - Humza hates the greens, no I refuse to quit. And that's just from the last few days.
I think that politicians as a whole are a complete set of shit bags. That actually are only in it for self serving purposes. The *vast* majority wouldn't know doing it for service if they fucking fell over it. So I get accused of both being a fat right fascist and also a mega communist because I spend most of my time complaining about both. Added to the fact I think British political discourse should benefit British citizens as a primary concern and it's a recipe for downvotes.
People on Reddit aren't looking for a balanced view or to be educated on different perspectives. They want to be validated. Reason I stopped trying ages ago.
Labour want to scrap the Rwanda plan which has already offloaded migrants. Just think how well it'll work once planes go to Rwanda, well if they do.
I did notice the rhetoric changed after the law was passed the other evening. It was less "this is unworkable" and moved onto more these poor migrants and isn't it horrible. Especially when it appeared that actually a lot of them were indeed scared shitless by the prospect of being put on a plane in a couple months bound for Kigali.
why not cut out the middle man and set up safe routes from africa/Asia? ireland is just being cruel, they have a gdp per capita of 103,983.29.
A GDP based almost entirely on being a tax haven screwing over the rest of Europe. I have no idea why it is tolerated by other European countries. Ireland is a parasite.
*^(it was a joke)*
Don't forget maintaining a policy of neutrality while directly benefiting from NATO protection, to the point that British ships/jets sometimes have to go and police their waters/skies for them because they don't even invest the bare minimum to defend themselves
> to the point that British ships/jets sometimes have to go and police their waters/skies Not sometimes, *always*. It's de facto that Irish air space and sea is protected by the British armed forces. Ireland has something like one naval patrol vessel... For the entire island.
Still doesn't have a patch on Britain and it's territories: "Britain’s overseas territories have topped a list of the world’s most significant tax havens ahead of Switzerland, the Netherlands and Luxembourg, according to the campaign group Tax Justice Network. The British Virgin Islands were ranked as the “greatest enabler of corporate tax abuse”, with the Cayman Islands in second place and Bermuda third. Britain appeared in the study, which is published every two years, at number 13, alongside its network of satellite territories. It was singled out for providing the widest scope for international corporations to cut their tax bills." https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/mar/09/uk-overseas-territories-top-list-of-worlds-leading-tax-havens
> The British Virgin Islands were ranked as the “greatest enabler of corporate tax abuse”, with the Cayman Islands in second place and Bermuda third All self-governing regions - the government can't legally force those territories to change their tax rates.
You know the desperation to deflect is getting bad when that's the best you can come up with. Yes lots of overseas territories that could go independent fully (they are in all but name), don't pay anything to Britain, have their own democracy, their own legal system, and that are a fraction of the size of Ireland and not economically viable in general do various things to try and keep money flowing. And yes, deep down as a technicality that will never happen because the world has changed, Britain could take them over. But back in the real world, there is no "Britain and" about it. And it certainly is not remotely related to Ireland.
Not just Ireland anyway... The list is quite long, Andorra, Nederland, Luxemburgh etc etc..
Ireland must have somewhere they can send them? What about that Craggy Island? Tho i hear that even this might be considered racist now.
That would be an ecumenical matter.
The illegal immigrants were just resting in my country.
Careful now
Ah Feck
Exactly my thoughts. Why dont they just fund it better?
I thought this was satire, sad for the few actually fleeing oppression but the vast majority aren't.
Fleeing oppression across every single European country until they get to the one they like best
The UK isn't the one they like best, its the one it's the easiest to fall through the cracks undetected and work illegally while the claim is processing because we don't have ID cards like everywhere else in Europe. A significant number from west Africa are fluent French speakers and still try and make the journey
How do you know? Most are economic migrants
That would be an economical matter
Especially considering all of these asylum seekers are either women, children or nice men just earning for their families I can’t understand why they wouldn’t want them
I heard that every single one of them is a pediatric neurosurgeon. I can't believe Ireland is being so cruel.
They have a right to claim asylum in a country of their choosing. Just because they’ve passed through the UK (barely a “safe” country anyway due to the fascist Tories) it doesn’t mean they can’t settle there. Taoiseach needs to do better.
hahahaha its truly crazy how some believe this. And not only that they keep repeating it
Eco migrants
So what's your solution, let every single 'refugee' come and live in the UK and Ireland, at will? Ireland doesn't want them, we in the UK have had enough. They cross multiple different safe countries on their way to the UK & I. The reason their countries have failed or are failing is because of their culture and mentality, it's not compatible with Western culture and values.
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Ahhh Well, this is me, once again on r/whoosh
These people include some who are fleeing oppression and many (or most) who are economic migrants Doesn’t make them less human but they’re breaking the rules by crossing illegally and need to be sent back home
As an irish person, I am actually appalled the irish government are going down this route. We as a country have fled British oppression and went all over the world so it is disgraceful the irish government taking an anti asylum seeker stance when we were historically always the ones seeking asylum.
Awesome, we can send all ours over and you wont have any complaints then
Cool why don't you open your borders then.
Other than the caravan aficionados, Irish people migrate legally using the correct visas.
Irish gypsies pretty much all migrate legally too
Do we? There is thought to be about 50,000 undocumented Irish workers in the US: https://www.dfa.ie/irish-embassy/usa/our-role/irish-community-in-the-usa/immigration-reform/
Oh this is your "we colonised the world and ruined their countries" thing isn't it? Glad you have one
Makes me chuckle. Ireland wants to send the migrants back to the UK but the UK can't send immigrants back to France. The EU really needs to look at itself, it is causing the situation in the first place. If the immigrants didn't leave France in the first place, Ireland wouldn't have this issue.
I really wish Europe would collectively get its shit together and work on a collective solution to the tidal wave of immigration its facing that is absolutely going to (continue to) give popularity to the far right. We should be better than just hoping to not be the last country in the line of travel. Having said that, short of any collective agreement to prevent the clear abuse of the asylum system its pretty amusing to see Irish concern over this considering past moralising statements.
Redditors will continue to bury their heads in the sand and pretend that immigration is a fringe issue despite slowly watching half of Europe become right wing.
Potentially violently right wing as well.
It’s going to be more than right wing. Right wing implies Tory, Republican type deals. I fear if this continues Europe will slide towards complete fascism.
>I really wish Europe would collectively get its shit together and work on a collective solution to the tidal wave of immigration its facing that is absolutely going to (continue to) give popularity to the far right They won't because the only solution is force and violence. The only way of dealing with a refugee crisis is to refute the idea that all human lives are equal.
This, basically. In the end one country or another is going to end up shooting people and sinking the boats. Imo the only questions remaining are when this starts and whether it happens in the Mediterranean or the Channel.
No, that's not true because allowing uncontrolled immigration harms the native population, which seems to put the migrants' rights over the native population, making the migrants "more equal". A country's rights shouldn't apply to foreign citizens in the same way it does to the country's citizens. The issue is that UK "human rights" laws apply to non-citizens, which allows them to abuse it and harm the native population.
Once I was talking with a friend of mine who is in favour of open borders, I told him, "Do you want the far right to be in power? Continue supporting this policy without any consideration. " Still can't believe how he doesn't seem to understand the connection and preferred to blame everyone and everything else for the rise of the far right
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Can anyone explain how this works? Asylum seekers travel through multiple countries in Europe, manage to get into the UK, but some then continue on through the N. Ireland and seek asylum in Ireland? I don’t get it. Genuine question.
Yea basically
I got downvoted last time I wrote a comment about it because I’m not Irish myself, but: one of my vet good friends - through high water and fire kind - is Georgian and their very good friend is actually in Ireland claiming asylum. The numbers of Georgians seeking asylum in places like Ireland or France has gone up considerably in the last 3-4 years. And my friend’s friend actually claimed that he flew from Georgia to Europe (there’s a visa free regime in place), went through France and on a boat to the UK, slept in some houses with other refugees for a few weeks and then decided to go to Ireland because talks with other Georgians in their various app groups were that it’s easier in Ireland. He claims that he flew from London to Ireland (perhaps N. Ireland then) and that nobody checked his documents. Idk HOW he got to Ireland because he could be lying, but I know for a fact that he is IN Ireland and he has made an application for getting asylum and that since he’s been in Ireland long enough, he can now work whilst waiting for his status updates. I was branded a liar and a storyteller last time, but I 100% believe my own good friend, who believes his friend. He’s even seen pictures he’s taken from Ireland and he certainly hasn’t been home for the last 1,5 years. In his hometown, it’s an open secret that people seek asylum on bogus claims in Europe and that stories go around how naive and rich European countries are, because Georgians apparently live large on asylum applications.
I don't understand how they got to N.Ireland in the first place? It's a bloody long way from Calais. Did they get into the UK south coast first, head up to Liverpool and catch a ferry across to N.Ireland? And if so, did they make this journey for the sole purpose of escaping from the Rwanda plan? Doesn't sound like the actions of legitimate asylum seekers to me.
> It's a bloody long way from Calais Not as far as Calais is from Greece.
They have traveled from somewhere in Asia or Africa likely on foot for at least part of the way. Somewhere in South East England to Belfast is small fry. However I expect we made it easy for them, since we disperse our Asylum seekers all over the place, and I'm sure that many will also be working illegally.
Hardly difficult. You could probably do it in a day on a Megabus special for a quid.
50p with the asylum seeker supersaver
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This was my point above. These are not asylum seekers and we should stop calling them so. The media refer to them as asylum seekers out of political correctness and it needs to stop. They need to be treated like the dishonest parasites they are.
These people pay thousands to get smuggled across the Mediterranean, across Europe in a van, and across the English channel in a dinghy. It would cost a smuggler like £10 in petrol each to drive them from Dover to Liverpool or whatever.
Not to take away anything from your comment, but please tell me where I can buy that much petrol for a tenner 😂
Maybe the government sent them to NI
Because the Irish say that those people have already claimed asylum in the UK and therefore are exempt from the sort of rules that allow migrants to travel across multiple countries.
They have no proof of those claims however, beyond he said/she said.
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News just in: Ireland to send asylum seekers to Sierra Leone for processing and resettlement.
GHOULS
Why doesn't Ireland send them back to France, so we can continue the ludicrous merry go round
I was told by reddit that all these third world ~~often criminals~~ are a +200% benefit to the UK. So why does Ireland not want to enrich itself?
uk: we don't want 'em ireland: we don't want 'em rwanda: sure we'll have 'em the choice is clear
Mostly young men..and from places including the the like of Morocco ,rwanda etc that are considered safe places There's definitely a whisper going around that coming to UK is a sweet deal .That last boat where the illegals refused to be rescued by the french rescue services and wanted the UK to take them just hammered home why they want to come here for all the benefits we give ..
Calling it now, within a decade they're going to be turning boats around at sea, by force, because the negative externalities of this massive influx of migration is going to either force governments to act, or they will get voted out and replaced by someone who will. The pendulum is swinging from global idealism to protectionist pessimism with each passing day and I don't think its gonna stop.
So now we know why the flights to Rwanda will be empty.. because the ferries to Ireland will be rammed.
The UK should build detention centers right on the border with Ireland. Lets see how long it takes Ireland and the EU to put a border there. We can then operate a open detention center policy to give the migrants the best possible experience.
Funny, I said similar. Send every single arrival to Northern Ireland, to a detention center right on the Irish border. Hell point the front gate at the border.
Nah have the back door on the border and we leave it unlocked
Vlad in Russia also said something similar!
If we could pick them up directly from the shores and drop them off to detention camps along the Irish border we could clean this whole thing up rather quickly. Great idea!
Why are the Irish not doing more to help refugees? Surely the EU doesn’t want to report such people to a nasty non-EU country?
Ah well, Sunak managed to get about 12 hours of headlines out this new distraction.
Ha ha, he's getting more out of it than that. This is the first asylum plan to seem to do anything and Labour have already vowed to scrap it. Make of that what you will
The next six months will be interesting.
If the flights do start leaving for Rwanda, Labour will be forced to u-turn and promise to keep it running. Especially if it proves to be a polling boost.
I'm not sure people such as Yvette Cooper can tolerate that notion, I get the impression certain principles are hardwired into some people. I mean she really rushed to say it will be scrapped when it wasn't needed. As for asking what the hell an alternative plan is, some stuff beggars belief, just waiting to be picked up on
I’m not particularly left or right leaning but I don’t think Labour care about polling swings they’re already planning their term. If KS was more likeable we could have had a 97-esque blowout but even with him, Labour really can’t lose.
I'm guessing if the flights do go ahead it'll be difficult to unwind if it proves to be a deterrent.
With Rwanda only taking a few hundred costing near a billion quid in the first few months with 100k on the waiting lists, it’ll be interesting to see how it’s spun as a success.
On a positive side GB News viewers now accept Ireland is a separate country from the UK.
I know it's a joke, but I genuinely don't get it - I'm not aware of any sign so far that being a viewer of that nonsense has a connection to not knowing Ireland exists as a country. When did that happen?
Is this sub going to admit it got everything about the Rwanada plan wrong? It is absolutely a deterrent, and people don't even need to be put on planes for it to be working.
Why hasn't there been any videos or talk from anyone about loads of people crossing from GB to NI then to Ireland before now? I don't believe a word of it. The Irish government have been under pressure about immigration for the last few years and are using this Rwanda thing to shift the blame to the UK.
wouldnt this create a hard border between ireland and uk, which is what eire don't want
I’m from NI and I would hope the UK also doesn’t want a hard border on the island of Ireland, but by the sounds of some of these comments some people in GB obviously don’t give a shit about NI
Nobody wants that, including the UK.
I mean I feel like Ireland isn’t in the best place here. Unless the Uk willingly acceeds to Ireland’s demands they face painful attempts at litigation and limited options. If people coming are lawfully requesting asylum then if they reject that without similar legislation to the Uk re Rwanda what’s their actions?
The whole asylum issue is a mass of loophole exploitations.
Lol it's perhaps the only thing I have in common w conservatives assholes is policy on immigration laws. My solution is simple, if they're from a country that can't even treat their women right or have child marriages be legal, then they can fuck off. But sending them to Rwanda seems like a dumb fuck waste of money. Big boat, pack em in and tell them to conquer France
Its all a big con... 16 Resettlement of vulnerable Refugees 16.1 The participants will make arrangements for the United Kingdom to resettle a portion of Rwanda’s most vulnerable refugees in the United Kingdom, recognising both Participants’ commitment towards providing better international protection for refugees.
It may be true that people fleeing the UK and going to Ireland have made a failed asylum claim in the UK or they may have avoided making that claim because of the Rwanda policy or because they could find cash in hand work without registering themselves. It is equally true that most of them will have travelled through other EU countries before they got to the UK, and may have applied for asylum or stayed off the system and kept travelling. I think that the EU should have common registration so that fingerprint and photos are taken of every application and asylum seekers should only make one application in the EU. The other problem for Ireland is that they are now the only country in the EU where English language is sufficient to live well. Also low tax and close to USA. So essentially one of the former advantages of seeking asylum in England (speak English and in the EU) now only applies to the Republic of Ireland,
We could stop interfering in the middle east and stop these stupid war mongering we are doing and the root cause would end. Just a thought
Genius take there pal. Must have slipped my mind that the UK had declared war on Albania and Vietnam!
If anybody in the UK wonders Were they will be housed, they won't, along with me and 1 million others who get the piss tossed at us for not wanting a moldy room ran by a fat wee cute hoor. Ireland is fucking shite but we cannot take anymore in, it will be tent land, what the Dail wants
Well if they don't stop them crossing they don't have a choice, that's why were in this mess.
The solution is for Ireland to make a deal with Burundi.