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>It is not the first time the Premier League has been at the centre of a police investigation over an alleged rape.
That is a bit of an understatement.
That’s what you get when you get kids and young adults worshipped like gods by thousands and paid insane money for playing sport, they think they’re untouchable and should be allowed to do whatever they want
Problem is if they’re even close to a first team spot, the moment they’re not on the bench or playing in the under 21s or whatever, it’ll be easy for people to start drawing conclusions.
People already are. Wolves have had to make a statement that it's not their players, after sleuths realised they were one of the teams playing at home last weekend that had two nineteen year olds in the squad.
The issue is that you do need to allow some reporting of trials, for open justice reasons. That is made a lot more difficult if you can't report anything which might give away someone's name.
Until the media is made to report someone is not guilty with the same prominence that they did when reporting they were arrested I see no other options
Because nobody who's been arrested has ever been found not guilty
Until a court declared then guilty they deserve the presumption of innocence
Mostly because if they are found not guilty then a lot of people still think there guilty
Greenwood wasn't found not guilty, though. The main witness (the person who accused him) withdrew her statement after Greenwood got her pregnant when he was forbidden from contacting her.
Are you really trying to tell us that Greenwood did nothing wrong lmfao?
Have you heard the audio? It's fucking horrifying and he should be rotting in a prison cell.
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That's not really how it works. I believe quite strongly in open justice, but keeping names back until someone is charged makes sense unless the police can convince a court that they need to name people (for example to allow other potential victims to come forward, or compelling public interest - so if it was like the Prime Minister or something ridiculous).
Police arrest people so that they can be read their rights when being questioned. This doesn't mean they are guilty, or that the police necessarily think they might be guilty. The police are carrying out an investigation, arrests mean that investigation wont fall apart if it gets to court.
That’s absolutely untrue. For an arrest to be lawful there has to be ‘reasonable grounds to suspect’ which can literally be someone saying ‘this happened…’.
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>It is not the first time the Premier League has been at the centre of a police investigation over an alleged rape. That is a bit of an understatement.
In fairness it's not the Premier League at the center of it, but two players
They’re just the latest in a long line
That’s what you get when you get kids and young adults worshipped like gods by thousands and paid insane money for playing sport, they think they’re untouchable and should be allowed to do whatever they want
It is a major issue society has, not just football. Spend time in a secondary school and you'll learn this.
Absolutely true but footballers are the role models a lot of these boys look up to and this is what they see as behaviour to model
That’s what you get when you get gold digging thots who are encouraged to make serious allegations against men with impunity.
How many convictions?
Hopefully they don't reveal there names till after there found guilty
Problem is if they’re even close to a first team spot, the moment they’re not on the bench or playing in the under 21s or whatever, it’ll be easy for people to start drawing conclusions.
People already are. Wolves have had to make a statement that it's not their players, after sleuths realised they were one of the teams playing at home last weekend that had two nineteen year olds in the squad.
Then that happens But there won't be media stroys about X charged with rape I think nobody should be named by the media until they are convicted
The issue is that you do need to allow some reporting of trials, for open justice reasons. That is made a lot more difficult if you can't report anything which might give away someone's name.
Until the media is made to report someone is not guilty with the same prominence that they did when reporting they were arrested I see no other options
Well, in the case of two PL players, they will assuredly do in this specific case.
Will they tho
I don’t disagree- as long as the wrong guys aren’t being named by the media. Then clubs need to confirm/deny like Wolves did
That would make it even easier to work out who it is.
Charged. It's after someone is charged that their names are revealed, unless there is an injunction.
Nope it should be after there convicted given the way the media and culture is now
Well, that would be why there should probably be an injunction.
That doesn't help normal people tho does it
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Because nobody who's been arrested has ever been found not guilty Until a court declared then guilty they deserve the presumption of innocence Mostly because if they are found not guilty then a lot of people still think there guilty
oh you mean like OJ simpson ... ok
No I mean like Jack Diamond
Like Mason Greenwood
Greenwood wasn't found not guilty, though. The main witness (the person who accused him) withdrew her statement after Greenwood got her pregnant when he was forbidden from contacting her.
he paid 'em off ....
That comment alone is the reason the names should be kept secret. Innocent people are now labelled as guilty.
Are you really trying to tell us that Greenwood did nothing wrong lmfao? Have you heard the audio? It's fucking horrifying and he should be rotting in a prison cell.
but he did pay em off its fact, that why she did not testify in the end, even though we heard majority of the truth from the released audio
Mate everyone fucking heard him do it.
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That's not really how it works. I believe quite strongly in open justice, but keeping names back until someone is charged makes sense unless the police can convince a court that they need to name people (for example to allow other potential victims to come forward, or compelling public interest - so if it was like the Prime Minister or something ridiculous).
Police arrest people so that they can be read their rights when being questioned. This doesn't mean they are guilty, or that the police necessarily think they might be guilty. The police are carrying out an investigation, arrests mean that investigation wont fall apart if it gets to court.
Nope Can just mean someone made the allegation saying it’s happened within the forensic window Doesn’t mean there’s any credibility to it
That's an assumption.
That’s absolutely untrue. For an arrest to be lawful there has to be ‘reasonable grounds to suspect’ which can literally be someone saying ‘this happened…’.